Their Monkey God

It’s early for the full wingut response to Obama’s speech, but I’m glad to see that Mark Williams has landed on his feet:

Mark Williams, a controversial tea party political movement supporter, said the center would be used for “terrorists to worship their monkey god.”

Williams was publicly ousted by the National Tea Party Federation last month after posting a satirical letter supposedly from “the Colored People.” He resigned as spokesman of the Tea Party Express in July and told reporters he would focus on fighting the mosque plan, the New York Daily News reported at the time.

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165 replies
  1. 1
    monkeyboy says:

    At least Muslim terrorists are smart enough to know that Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same god.

  2. 2
    dmsilev says:

    But remember, he’s not a racist. He told us so himself.

    dms

  3. 3
    aliasofwestgate says:

    *facepalms* Can we just plaster FAIL on his forehead and be done with it, please?

  4. 4
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Mark Williams…the heart and soul of the teabaggers.

    They’re not racist, you know…they keep protesting over and over again that they’re not.

    BTW, given that known terrorists in this country…the ones who have no problem with killing doctors who perform abortions, and who openly admit that they do so in an effort to use terror to deter other doctors from performing abortions worship the same deity…Williams is right on the money!

  5. 5
    demo woman says:

    Why is MSM reporting what Williams says? I’ve often wondered about the fascination with Palin but this seems extreme.

  6. 6
    jinxtigr says:

    Maybe he would like the monkey god better if he found someone to translate its simple but beautiful language :)

  7. 7
    Hal says:

    Why on earth is MSNBC quoting Mark Williams at all?

  8. 8
    Derelict says:

    @Hal:

    Because there is nothing–absolutely nothing at all–that a right-wing person can say or do that makes them too abhorrent to participate in the public discourse. See Pat Buchanan, Limbaugh, Tancredo, Williams, King (both of them), Cantor, Boehner, et al–constant and consistent open racism on display. Yet, they are “serious people” who utterances must be reported with all due respect.

  9. 9
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Hal: Trolling. Like DougJ does.

  10. 10
    Ramiah Ariya says:

    I am Hindu, and do worship a monkey god – my monkey god can kick Jehovah’s ass.

  11. 11
    Wilson Heath says:

    Clearly a liberal plant and not an actual Teabagger.

  12. 12
    El Cid says:

    @Ramiah Ariya: Heck, there have been comic books and movies about his adventures!

  13. 13
    Shalimar says:

    Williams went on to say, “Those sand ni**ers don’t deserve no respect anyway because they’re all racists, and racists don’t deserve to live on this earth with good God-fearing Americans.”

  14. 14
    PurpleGirl says:

    I think this proves that god does not exist. If I were god and someone who supposedly worshiped me and followed my word said shit like that about one of my groups of people (seeing how I believe in diversity), I just zap him. Hit the jerk with a few billion volts of energy and zap him into nothingness. As this hasn’t happened yet, I guess god does not exist.

  15. 15
    El Cid says:

    The main problem is that the American people do not support Obama’s installation of an Al Qa’ida suicide hang gliding base on top of One World Trade Center so his Kenyonesian allies can finally destroy America for communo-paganism.

  16. 16
    El Cid says:

    @Shalimar: Remember: We are so god-damned committed to our principles of freedom of religion (of course not freedom from religion) that we have to shut down any non-Christian (okay, maybe a few Jews) religious institution because someday it might threaten our religious freedom.

    And also we have to kill any number of people in order for them to understand Jesus’ great love for them.

  17. 17
    El Cid says:

    Hey look! The New York Times details the awesome success of Germany’s rebel austerity / labor-punishing policies in these hard times and spent two whole paragraphs on a toss-aside point on Germany’s massive intervention into employment so as to keep more people working.

    Government officials here are confident they found the right approach, including a better solution to unemployment. They extended the “Kurzarbeit” or “short work” program to encourage companies to furlough workers or give them fewer hours instead of firing them, making up lost wages out of a fund filled in good times through payroll deductions and company contributions.
    __
    At its peak in May 2009, roughly 1.5 million workers were enrolled in the program. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development recently estimated that by the third quarter of 2009, more than 200,000 jobs may have been saved as a result.

    But we need to be sure it’s the austerity that did it, along with its pure, delectable, painful discipline it demonstrated.

    If only we could model German as much in punishing our lavish and yet parasitic pro-poor policies! Then we could enjoy the benefits of the super-rich doing even better while the majority enjoys the benefits of the sweet, sweet pleasure of sacrifice!

    Why are our politicians so unable to assist us all with such pleasures?

  18. 18
    Ash Can says:

    Actually, since it’s MSNBC doing the reporting, my guess is that this does more to expose him (and, by extension, the teabaggers) to ridicule than to portray him as making a serious contribution to public discourse.

  19. 19
    Toast says:

    There’s nothing wrong with Mark Williams that a baseball bat to the face can’t fix.

  20. 20
    Joey Maloney says:

    @El Cid: Needs more gibberish, but it’s got a good monkey-god rhythm and you can teabag to it. I give it an 8 out of 10.

  21. 21
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    On the other hand, Greenwald is very good on the subject, especially in the obligatory update.

  22. 22
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Joey Maloney: I say trite and stale. He isn’t doing anything he and many others haven’t done before. If you want to stay at the front of the pack you need to innovate. For example, a Chuthlu reference or Aleister Crowley comparison would have been good, double points if he had managed to fit both into the same sentence.

  23. 23
    matoko_chan says:

    @El Cid: the more i think about this the more i come to believe its because they cant proselytize muslims very successfully even here where they can legally proselytize. sure, theres poor rifqa bary, but 1) that happened in the US and 2) they wont be able to parade her around as a conversion trophy much longer because shes dying of cancer that the christofascists told her they faith healed.
    that is why they go all ragerager about building churches in mecca and the real goal of the Bush Doctrine and COIN was “implanting/standing up westernstyle democracy” aka proselytizing western judeoxian culture.

    Magistrate Mary Goodrich has denied a motion in Franklin County Juvenile Court by Rifqa Bary’s parents to compel their daughter to undergo chemotherapy.
    A Christian convert, Rifqa, has refused chemotherapy for cancer because she believes that she was cured at a faith-healing event, according to a motion in Franklin County Juvenile Court.
    Rifqa was to undergo a year of chemotherapy after her cancer was surgically removed, the document filed by her parents states.
    But Rifqa, who is in foster care, was taken to a faith-healing event in Youngstown a couple of weeks ago by Franklin County Children Services, without her parents’ consent, according to the document.

  24. 24
    New Yorker says:

    Damn, I see I was beaten to it, but I was going to point out that it’s Hindus, not Muslims, who worship a monkey god. I know, to Williams they’re all the same dirka-dirka speaking fake ‘murkans, but still…..

  25. 25

    @Ramiah Ariya:

    I am Hindu, and do worship a monkey god – my monkey god can kick Jehovah’s ass.

    Right on, Honey. Right on.

  26. 26
    El Cid says:

    @matoko_chan: Nice. It’s a shame they didn’t try one of those attempted exorcisms where craze Christian evangelicals wrapped her in a blanket ad beat her to death in order to cast out the demons plaguing her.

  27. 27
    Cermet says:

    Someone should tell that asswipe that the God that Muslims pray to is the same God that Christ prayed to (and for Christians, are one and the same.) So by his logic that either makes Christ a monkey’s uncle or the monkey … these asswipes just can’t think beyond their own assholes. Just too busy eating new shit to spew out their months again.

  28. 28

    @PurpleGirl:

    I think this proves that god does not exist. If I were god and someone who supposedly worshiped me and followed my word said shit like that about one of my groups of people (seeing how I believe in diversity), I just zap him. Hit the jerk with a few billion volts of energy and zap him into nothingness. As this hasn’t happened yet, I guess god does not exist.

    I have often thought that if God did exist, He would not allow some stuff to be done in His name.

    On the other hand, I cannot deny that there is a Mystery that does exist, even though I can’t understand it. [And I must admit that the Mystery is beautiful.]

    Ah, the life of a spiritual agnostic.

  29. 29
    El Cid says:

    @Cermet: You’re talking about yet another religion which will condemn as Godless some group which uses simply another translation of the Bible. Try convincing that Allah is just another word for the same God, or that Abraham was the source of all 3 “people of the book” religions. You’ll fail.

  30. 30
    Bob L says:

    “Monkey God” is what they claim Atheist worship. So these nitwits really think atheism and Islam are the same things.

  31. 31
    El Cid says:

    @Linda Featheringill: Remember one of the typically disobeyed tenets is that God doesn’t directly and cheaply reveal Himself but has to be found by faith. Though apparently He leaves clues everywhere, like in creationism vs. evolution, so apparently God is a clueless hypocrite as well and couldn’t notice the conflict between not revealing Himself and demanding faith and being too stupid to keep from revealing all these physical clues.

  32. 32
    matoko_chan says:

    @mistermix
    America advertises freedom of religion but evangelical and conservative christianity are wholly embedded in the older non-hispanic cauc part of the population. That is another reason the right loathes Obama– he is a liberal christian. Dreher and Joe Carter both had poutrage meltdowns over it….because they are fundamentalists….that is right out of Boyer, Religion Explained.
    That is why the catholics burned the albigensians and margarete porete…because liberal ideology is more appealing than conservative ideology, and can turn a population like wildfire.
    That is why the wingers insist Obama is not a “real” christian.
    Because ‘real’ christians believe in god, country, and the flag, and of course they aren’t black.
    200 years ago this country was wholly anglosaxon protestants….they dont want to share.

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer thus got it right when he characterized American Protestantism as “Protestantism without Reformation.”
    That is why it has been possible for Americans to synthesize three seemingly antithetical traditions: evangelical Protestantism, republican political ideology and commonsense moral reasoning. For Americans, faith in God is indistinguishable from loyalty to their country.

  33. 33
    matoko_chan says:

    @Bob L: dont they usually say islam is moon god worship?

  34. 34
    Michael says:

    OT, but in a proud moment, I got an entry put into the Urban Dictionary! I defined “Gohmert” as a verb.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com.....rm=gohmert

  35. 35
    brian a. hayes says:

    the greed anger and folly of williams gingrich palin and others. great tools of bin landin,why do they show so much love to bin landin and his cult al-qeada.

  36. 36
    matoko_chan says:

    @El Cid:

    It’s a shame they didn’t try one of those attempted exorcisms

    that is for curing homosexuals.

  37. 37
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Michael: Kudos to you, sir. Kudos.

  38. 38
    zattarra says:

    Did anyone dare tread into the comment of that MSNBC post. Just frightening. Stupid, ignorant and misinformed would be the polite thing to say about many of these people. No, it is not at ground zero. Yes, people are actually calling for no new mosques anywhere, not just near ground zero. The local authorities already did weigh in and said it was OK to build there. No, the President is not making any zoning or building decisions. No, it is not OK to say some other country is intolerant so we can be too.

    And damn it, freedom of religion means freedom of religion for everyone.

    And we are not a Judeo/Christian nation. And the people who say that really just want to say we are a Christian nation, but can only go after one group at a time. For these people once the Muslims are taken care of the Christianists will go back to hating Jews more openly again too. My wife and I when we hear Evangelicals go on about supporting Israel like to remind ourselves how they love Israel, just hate us Jews. We remember our history, we live in this country as Jewish-Americans with these people, we remember the same stuff being done to Mosques being done to Synagogues – damn shame the ADL forgot.

  39. 39
    matoko_chan says:

    oh.
    i get it.
    /facepalm
    “monkey god” is a tie in to the gorilla, porch-monkey, blacks-as-monkies dogwhistle race-baiting.
    Williams subtle way of saying muslims are niggers. that is why “monkey god” instead of “moon god”.
    wallah, they just cant stop themselves.
    they can’t turn it off, even though the demographic timer is going to deliver them an epic asswhupping in 2020.

  40. 40
    cleek says:

    i love racists and bigots.

    they make me feel better about myself.

    the same way the guy going 110 down the highway makes me feel better about going 80. if we get pulled over, i got my problems, but they ain’t nothing like that guy’s problems.

  41. 41
    Mark S. says:

    @matoko_chan:

    Ned Flanders:

    You cannot be a Christian in any meaningful sense and deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. You just can’t.

    Yeah you can. Unitarians and Mormons (I think; they at least don’t believe in the Trinity) don’t believe in the Trinity. Matthew, Mark, and Luke didn’t think to mention that Jesus is God in their Gospels, and Paul didn’t seem to believe in the Jesus = Father = Holy Spirit equation. Go fuck yourself, Rod.

  42. 42
    matoko_chan says:

    @zattarra:

    they love Israel, just hate us Jews

    they only love Israel as a staked goat to bring on teh Rapture. you jews will be destroyed by satan except for the ones that convert to christianity.

  43. 43
    Anomaly100 says:

    Didn’t Limbaugh call their God a “Monkey God” too awhile back? It’s hard to keep track. I think they all meet in a warehouse to decide their xenophobic content of the day for their next intolerant snarkisms.

  44. 44
    Mark S. says:

    @zattarra:

    Yes, people are actually calling for no new mosques anywhere, not just near ground zero.

    That came up the other day. If we’re lucky, matako_chan might continue her argument that we all secretly agree with that.

  45. 45
    matoko_chan says:

    @Mark S.: in the evo theory of culture sense, Drehrer and Carter have to fiercely resist ‘mutant’ cultural strategies. this is a great analysis….America’s God is Dying

    America is the first great experiment in Protestant social formation. Protestantism in Europe always assumed and depended on the cultural habits that had been created by Catholic Christianity. America is the first place Protestantism did not have to define itself over against a previous Catholic culture. So America is the exemplification of constructive Protestant social thought.
    …..America is the great experiment in Protestant social thought, but the society Protestants created now threatens to make Protestantism unintelligible to itself. Put as directly as I can, I believe we may be living at a time when we are watching Protestantism, at least the kind of Protestantism we have in America, come to an end. It is dying of its own success.
    Protestantism became identified with the republican presumption in liberty as an end in itself. This presumption was then reinforced by an unassailable belief in the commonsense of the individual. As a result, Protestant churches in America lost the ability to maintain those disciplines that are necessary to sustain a truly free people – people who are capable of being a genuine alternative to the rest of the world.
    The great irony is that the almost pathological fervency with which the religious right in America tries to sustain faith as a necessary condition for democracy is the surest formula for insuring that the faith that is sustained is not the Christian faith.

    they whole thing is good.

  46. 46
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Bob L: I thought he meant Hanuman of the Hindu epic Ramayana. In one fell swoop, this genius has managed to annoy hindus, muslims and atheists, not bad.

  47. 47
    Mark S. says:

    @matoko_chan:

    America is the first place Protestantism did not have to define itself over against a previous Catholic culture.

    Huh, I never thought of it that way.

  48. 48
    matoko_chan says:

    @Mark S.: well do you?
    remember, my argument is that islamic culture is superior IN SITU, in the CSS sense. im not saying anything about whether islamic culture and shariah are morally superior…..im saying that in MENA al-Islam is evolutionarily superior, it is immunized against proselytization strats.
    That is why we have been getting our asses handed to us for nearly a decade, because our attempts at proselytizing western( judeoxian) culture like COIN and the Bush Doctrine cannot succeed.

  49. 49
    matoko_chan says:

    from my link…..

    If I am right about the story that shapes the American self-understanding, I think we are in a position to better understand why 11 September 2001 had such a profound effect on the self-proclaimed “most powerful nation in the world.” The fear of death is necessary to insure a level of cooperation between people who otherwise share nothing in common. In other words, they share nothing in common other than the presumption that death is to be avoided at all costs.
    That is why in America hospitals have become our cathedrals and physicians are our priests. I’d even argue that America’s almost pathological reliance on medicine is but a domestic manifestation of its foreign policy. America is a culture of death because Americans cannot conceive of how life is possible in the face of death. And thus “freedom” comes to stand for the attempt to live as though we will not die.
    It is impossible to avoid the fact that American Christianity is far less than it should have been just to the extent that the church has failed to make clear that America’s god is not the God that Christians worship.
    We are now facing the end of Protestantism. America’s god is dying. Hopefully, that will leave the church in America in a position where it has nothing to lose. And when you have nothing to lose, all you have left is the truth. So I am hopeful that God may yet make the church faithful – even in America.

  50. 50
    Zandar says:

    What does Sun Wukong have to do with Islam?

    What a goofball, that Mark.

  51. 51
    cleek says:

    @Zandar:

    Sun Wukong possesses an immense amount of strength; he is able to lift his 13,500 jīn (8,100 kg or 17,881 lbs) staff with ease. He is also superbly fast, able to travel 108,000 li (54,000 kilometers or 33,554 mi) in one somersault.

    Sun Wukong is a badass!

  52. 52
    Mark S. says:

    I don’t know what CSS and MENA stand for, but I’d agree that imposing democracy and Western values at gunpoint is only going to produce disaster. I don’t see any reason, however, why Islam would be incompatible with a tolerant, democratic society. Muslims have ruled over vast regions in the past over diverse, multi-ethnic, and multi-religious empires.

  53. 53
    matoko_chan says:

    That is why a lot of people get mad at me when i try to explain that COIN can’t possibly work. How it could have worked, is if we went in and stood up islamic representative government instead of trying to stand up protestant style representative government.
    Saddam had imposed a quasi-secular government that the people hated and fiercely persecuted the imams and ayatollahs.
    We could have been heroes.
    Instead we are goats.
    Muslims will hate us for a thousand thousand years.

  54. 54
  55. 55
    matoko_chan says:

    @Mark S.: a CSS is a culturally stable strategy, from EGT (evolutionary games theory). All religions are CSSs. MENA is middle-east north africa.

    why Islam would be incompatible with a tolerant, democratic society
    see?

    you think a tolerant democratic society CAN ONLY BE WESTERN STYLE.

    Muslims have ruled over vast regions in the past over diverse, multi-ethnic, and multi-religious empires.

    the reason the Caliphate worked IS BECAUSE IT WAS ISLAMIC.

  56. 56
    matoko_chan says:

    Christians were tolerated…..they were valued citizens of the Caliphate as the People of the Book…….they just couldn’t proselytize.
    and they still can’t……islam is immunized against proselytization.
    see how that works?

  57. 57
    Mark S. says:

    @matoko_chan:

    OK, what would an Islamic style democracy look like?

    (I’m not being snarky, genuinely curious)

  58. 58
    matoko_chan says:

    @Zandar: Williams was dogwhistle race-baiting. he was aggregating browns, blacks, and muslims (who can be white, brown, or black) into one appealing bite size xenophobic package.

  59. 59
    Bob L says:

    @matoko_chan: Yes, “Moon Worship” that’s the normal dig at Islam.

    @schrodinger’s cat: Good chance they don’t see the difference. If it an’t White, Anglo-Saxon Protestantism it is paganism (as in Satanism) in their minds.

  60. 60
    Bob L says:

    @matoko_chan: Which kind of gets to what I view what is signally idiotic of the teatard Islam hate. Those American Muslims drinking the waters of religious tolerance can get around the Islam’s barriers and spread freethinking into it.

  61. 61
    matoko_chan says:

    @Mark S.: the Islamic republic of Iran is a good example, before nejad and the tyrant khamenei stole the election.
    essentially America is a representative secular republic with rule of quasi-secular law. Iran was a representative islamic republic with islamic law.
    The only way secular governments exist in MENA is dictators or ex-colonies. The Shah was a dictator that imposed secularism. Saddam was a dictator that imposed secularism. Fucking Attaturk was a dictator that imposed secularism. He outlawed the turkish alphabet to do it even.
    It is pure pragmatism….it might be nice to have womens suffrage and freedom of religion in MENA, but if the people wont vote for it when they get to vote, we are screwed.
    we are pouring blood and treasure into a bottomless pit.

  62. 62
    matoko_chan says:

    @Bob L: you don’t get it….we are free thinking.
    we just don’t think protestant.
    you have to accept that Islam already HAS freedom of religion…the people of the book are included…..what islam does NOT have is freedom of proselytization.
    it may, eventually, but what we are doing NAOW is NOT HELPING.
    :)

  63. 63
    morzer says:

    @Mark S.:

    In fact, historically, there have been many Christians who thought Christ wasn’t divine, because only if he were human could his suffering be meaningful.

  64. 64
    Chyron HR says:

    @Zandar:

    What does Sun Wukong have to do with Islam?

    What, you haven’t read Journey Even Further West?

  65. 65
    Joel says:

    @Hal: Did you see the comments section there? The three featured comments are a wingnut special.

  66. 66
    Nick says:

    At what point did our media decide bigotry and misinformation was an acceptable “alternative point of view.”

  67. 67
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    One of the more idiotic arguments I’ve seen is that we’ll allow this Islamic center if we can build a church in Saudi Arabia.

    These asswipes don’t get it. We are SUPPOSED about religious freedom, The Saudi absolute monarchy/theocracy hybrid is not.

    The very point that we allow mosques and Islamic centers at all is a testament to OUR commitment to religious freedom, a value that is not shared by the Saudis.

    But then again, the fundies barely tolerate Judaism in this country, and only because of the late unpleasantness of 65 years ago in Europe. That’s when it became “Judeao-Christian” values, and not just “Christian” values. Of course, most of these clowns imagine that Jefferson was a holy roller just like them (insert eyeroll here).

    Saudi Arabia is their template for what they’d like to do here.

  68. 68
    morzer says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Basically what the fundies want is Theocracy Without Turbans.

  69. 69
    New Yorker says:

    Why are we all talking as if democracy and Islam are completely incompatible? The world’s largest Muslim country (by population) is a democracy. Indonesia, for better or worse, is a functional democracy, and it’s not the only one in the Islamic world.

  70. 70
    matoko_chan says:

    a lot of people are operating on their a priori knowledge that shariah is intrinsically evil and inhuman. it is not. it is a system of religious doctrine encoded as islamic law. most of it is good and useful…it is a prescription for just behavior and approaching allah.
    like the ten commandments would be if they became part of american jurisprudence.

  71. 71
    matoko_chan says:

    @New Yorker: but it is an islamic democracy with islamic political parties, and an ex-colony. Lebanon is an excolony.
    That is the only way……like we changed Japanese culture– genocide, invasion, occupation, reconstruction.
    simply proselytizing (like COIN) doesn’t work.
    it just pisses people off.

  72. 72
    Nick says:

    @Ash Can:

    Actually, since it’s MSNBC doing the reporting, my guess is that this does more to expose him (and, by extension, the teabaggers) to ridicule than to portray him as making a serious contribution to public discourse.

    if that’s their point, they’re failing miserably…and they’re doing is presenting his point of view as an acceptable form of opposition.

    That’s the problem with the teabaggers…they get attention and presented as a legitimate point of view, so they go radical because they can and still be legitimized on TV. Until the networks call them out, they’ll keep doing, and that won’t happen until someone high up gets whacked, and even then Fox will probably blame the political climate.

    This week, someone left a bouquet of flowers with a note that said “Rest in Piece” on a State Senator’s doorstep here in New York. We didn’t present it as “oh, well, some people out there are frustrated, so they do these things,” we called it out as a horrible thing to do.

    Not the cable news media, they let people make threats on their airwaves and then use it as part of their “voters are angry” narrative

  73. 73
    Bella Q says:

    @morzer:

    Basically what the fundies want is Theocracy Without Turbans.

    Also known as government with g*d (so long as that deity is the very specific fundamental Christian(ist) g*d). Heaven help us in the US should many more of these folks get elected.

  74. 74
    morzer says:

    @New Yorker:

    Add Lebanon to the list.

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    Sheila says:

    I thought the monkey god, Hanuman, belonged to the Hindus. This is why comparative religions should be taught in the schools along with world history. It would do us all a great deal of good. We could then turn our uninformed hatred into informed hatred.

  76. 76
    gnomedad says:

    Mark Williams, a controversial tea party political movement supporter

    You know who else was “controversial”?

  77. 77
    growingdaisies says:

    @Hal: In cases like this, I think it’s actually very important to report these kinds of comments. It exposes the vicious bigotry at the heart of the Islamic center hysteria.

  78. 78
    morzer says:

    @gnomedad:

    mmmm Robert Gibbs?

  79. 79
    demo woman says:

    @Nick: I agree with everything you said. Bloomberg gave an excellent speech about Cordoba House and it received less attention from MSM than the tea baggers view. MSM decided that their role is to create chaos rather than dispel myths. The only reason that I can think of for their lack of honest reporting is that they want to present the republican view. Is it possible that the tea baggers are the only republicans left.

  80. 80
    Nick says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    One of the more idiotic arguments I’ve seen is that we’ll allow this Islamic center if we can build a church in Saudi Arabia

    We don’t seem to care much about religious freedom in Saudi Arabia while we’re buying tanker-loads of oil from them and bathing them in our money.

  81. 81
    morzer says:

    @demo woman:

    I would call that speech the most admirable moment of Bloomberg’s career. I am also very glad that Obama spoke up for the real principles that underlie America.

  82. 82
    Svensker says:

    @matoko_chan:

    they love Israel, just hate us Jews
    they only love Israel as a staked goat to bring on teh Rapture. you jews will be destroyed by satan except for the ones that convert to christianity.

    Actually, that’s not true for all fundies. The sect my brother belongs to (no idea what name) believes that Jews (neo-con Jews, of course, not liberal Jews) are still the Chosen People and that God has a special plan for them — kind of the separate but equal argument. And that those Jews will be saved along with the true Christians.

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    roshan says:

    @matoko_chan:
    Muslims ruled a large part of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan for many centuries. Look up the Mughal Empire and you will find many great kings like Babur, Akbar the great, Shahjahan, Jehangir etc. Most of Indian populace have been hindus and still remain hindus. The Taj Mahal was built by Shahjahan. Every where you go in Delhi you will find monuments from the Mughal era.

  84. 84
    calipygian says:

    Sadly, this really isn’t nut picking:

    Let them build their mosque. Then, hopefully, someone will come along and destroy it, in a spirit of brotherly love, of course.

    Notice that except for one response comment, this call for terrorism in response to Frank Gaffney’s insanity gets a positive rating.

    Why do I have a despairing feeling that we are entering a very dangerous period?

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    matoko_chan says:

    @Svensker: yeah, a different flavor of pre-trib fundies is all. John Hagee style (the most prevalent) is that jews either convert or get whacked by satan. not getting whacked by satan is a conversion incentive.
    Sarah Palin’s old pastor taught that the jews would refuge in alaska during Tribulation.
    crazipants.
    my euro friends love to read out loud from the Left Behinder books at bottle parties……much drunken hilarity.

  86. 86
    matoko_chan says:

    @roshan: yeah…but we all look the same to the christofacists.
    it doenst matter what color we are, it is that we aren’t “saved” for big white plastic jeebus….and we dont want to be.
    its all about the rejection.
    :)

  87. 87
    morzer says:

    Sarah Palin’s old pastor taught that the jews would refuge in alaska.

    He stole that from Michael Chabon!
    (The Yiddish Policemen’s Union)

  88. 88
    demo woman says:

    @morzer: If MSM had paid attention to the speech, the polls against the building of Cordoba House would be different. Instead they talk about hallowed ground and the scary brown people. The dumbing down of the American public.

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    Michael D. says:

    So, Republicans think it’s insensitive and offensive to build a mosque near the WTC site.

    Dear Republicans: Since when did you care about things being offensive and insensitive? In fact, isn’t insensitivity and offense part of the official Republican Party platform? For years, Republicans have been telling gays, blacks, women, and other groups they don’t like that they don’t have the right NOT to be offended. The Economist does a good job with this:

    We don’t deserve not to be offended just because we got hurt. And just because we lost something doesn’t mean we get everything we want, or even deserve everything we want. Religious freedom is an American value. The freedom to offend is too.

    This is something Republicans used to believe in. George Bush senior criticised “a movement [that would] declare certain topics ‘off-limits’, certain expressions ‘off-limits’, even certain gestures ‘off-limits’.” The entire argument against political correctness held that women and minorities didn’t have the right not to be offended. But now that its own constituents feel offended, the right is suddenly arguing in favour of sensitivity.

    WATBs.

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    matoko_chan says:

    @morzer: HA! i think Chabon prolly took it from the pastor. it was sarah’s old church, and i think he’d been teaching that for years. when sarah got ambitions she switched to a marginally less crazy church.

  91. 91
    morzer says:

    @matoko_chan:

    Actually, I think we have just identified the reason why Sarah the Illiterate took such a passionate interest in Wasilla’s library. She was just covering up her pastor’s plagiarism!

  92. 92
    matoko_chan says:

    @demo woman:

    The dumbing down of the American public.

    no. its just the right. the left still reads and watches Jon Stewart. conservatism has become selection for stupid. its biomemetic engineering for a nation of FOXnews viewers.

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    Zandar says:

    Sun Wukong would totally fuck up Mark Williams’s shit. I don’t understand why he’s picking a fight with the guy.

    Wingers are crazy.

  94. 94
    Mark S. says:

    OT- I’ve always hated Dr. Laura, but I didn’t know the bitch was racist. I think any white person who uses the argument “Why is it wrong for white people to use the n-word when black people do it all the time” should be lynched as a form of reparations.

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    cleek says:

    @matoko_chan:

    see the Slattery Report:

    In November 1938, two weeks after Kristallnacht, Ickes proposed the use of Alaska as a “haven for Jewish refugees from Germany and other areas in Europe where the Jews are subjected to oppressive restrictions.” Resettlement in Alaska would allow the refugees to bypass normal immigration quotas, because Alaska was a territory and not a state. That summer Ickes had toured Alaska and met with local officials to discuss improving the local economy and bolstering security in a territory viewed as vulnerable to Japanese attack. Ickes thought European Jews might be the solution

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    matoko_chan says:

    @morzer: lawl…could be. i loved the book. im so sad for people that can’t experience scifi….i think scifi is how we test drive the future before it gets here.

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    Svensker says:

    Gaaaah. I just went over and read some of the comments. Well, at least I won’t be feeling lousy with low blood pressure today.

    Really, what is wrong with us? When did we lose our basic decency?

  98. 98
    morzer says:

    @Svensker:

    Did the far-right crazies ever have any basic decency? History suggests otherwise to me.

  99. 99
    matoko_chan says:

    @cleek: if only Israel was in alaska instead of in palestine….that would have spared us both Bibbi and Sarah.
    She would have been much smarter as a jew.

  100. 100
    Anya says:

    @demo woman: The Great Ground Zero Mosque Hoax James Standish does a good job dispelling some of the myths about the centre.

  101. 101
    Honus says:

    @Mark S.: about like a Christian democracy. All religions are essentially autocratic.

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    Anya says:

    @Mark S.: It always baffles me why do these assholes need a permission to use the N word, unless of course they are racists. As some people pointed out, Dr. Laura’s offense was not using the n word but for her other racist arguments. Particularly the fallacy of using the overwhelming votes of Blacks for the Obama as proof of tribalism of black people. As if African-Americans would not have voted Hillary Clinton in the same margins.

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    jurassicpork says:

    Really, can we really expect any better of a GOP that’s not only made up entirely of crybabies but are even scared of them?

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    roshan says:

    @matoko_chan:
    OT, doesn’t Israel seem like a welfare state for all intent and purposes? Why would the conservatives who are against welfare, support this country so much? Would anyone here be shocked if Farid Zakaria wrote a column detailing the need to attack Israel just coz they have nuclear weapons…if yes then why so? Isn’t that’s what Jeffrey Goldberg has done in his recent column in making the case for attacking Iran?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @jurassicpork: Having read the piece at your link, I have question for you. When, in your opinion, would have been the appropriate time for Obama to have weighed in on this issue? This is, or should have been, a matter for local zoning boards. The idiots got involved and it blew up. Should Obama be compelled to issue a statement every time right wing idiots get upset about something? I think he has enough to do already without adding that to the list. Bloomberg, as mayor, had a legitimate reason to get involved early; Nadler, as the Representative for the the area, had an OK reason, but beyond that, shouldn’t it have been a local matter?

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    roshan says:

    Where do the great, wise and learned libertarians fall on the Cordoba House issue? Doesn’t private property owners rights hold any sanctity for them anymore?

  107. 107
    Svensker says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    @jurassicpork: Having read the piece at your link, I have question for you. When, in your opinion, would have been the appropriate time for Obama to have weighed in on this issue?

    ZOMG. He gave the speech on a Friday night! News dump! What a wuss.

    But, actually, the speech was given at the Friday night Ramadan dinner at the WH — which changes the whole complexion from News Dump! to logical and appropriate, doesn’t it? Context is so important.

    Maybe Gibbs was right, after all.

  108. 108
    morzer says:

    Where do the great, wise and learned libertarians fall on the Cordoba House issue?

    Freedom for rich white people, and Megan McArdle for the Nobel Prize for Economics. At least, that seems to be the underlying core philosophy of the Gliberati.

  109. 109
    Svensker says:

    @roshan:

    No, just like the Objectivists (Ayn Rand followers) support every move of the most fanatic Likudnik Israelis, even tho Rand was a rabid atheist and anti-tribalist/collectivist. Humans just can’t seem to help falling back on the ol’ gut reaction of visceral hate for The Other.

  110. 110
    asdf says:

    On Free Republic today,

    “I saw the beginning of the dirty little Leftist game of PC in 60s – You’re right don’t play their PC game. If Leftists call you down for being Politically Incorrect, just get up in their face and spit on it! And never, never, NEVER say you’re sorry! Leftists are INFERIORS and I’m being to wonder if they’re even human beings.”
    http://www.freerepublic.com/fo.....0386/posts

  111. 111
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Svensker: This is the kind of thing where I think that, if Obama had said something earlier, people would have been upset that he was interfering in a local matter/dignifying the idiots/by taking them seriously/something else that made is action wrong.

  112. 112
    Mark S. says:

    @roshan:

    Reason argues that the fact we aren’t exterminating Muslims (yet) is proof that we are the most free and tolerant country in the world!

    But this is precisely why it is all the more remarkable that this resentment hasn’t boiled over into active persecution—something that would hardly be possible any place else in the world.

    Any place else in the world! Eat it, Luxembourg! Suck it, Sweden!

    USA! USA! USA!

  113. 113
    roshan says:

    @Mark S.:
    Well, we are exterminating Muslims, one wedding party at a time.

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    JD Rhoades says:

    @dmsilev:

    Whenever anyone starts a comment with “I’m not a racist, but…” You know that after the ‘but” they’re going to (1) say something incredibly racist, (2) complain that they can’t say something racist, or (3) both.

  115. 115
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @JD Rhoades: But I have a black/Jewish/Moslem/liberal/gay/[insert group here] friend, how could I be [insert term here]?

  116. 116
    Moses2317 says:

    We progressives have rightly been critical of a number of things that the Obama Administration has done or failed to do over the past 18 months. It is critical, however, that we also express our support and gratitude when they do the right thing.

    President Obama’s stirring support for the right of private property owners to build the Cordoba Muslim community center in lower Manhattan and his vow to fight efforts to privatize Social Security are two important examples of the Administration doing the right thing.

    Let the White House know we appreciate it by sending a letter here – http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

  117. 117
    roshan says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    I tried this. Not sure if it still works though.
    But I have a black/Jewish/Moslem/liberal/gay/non-asshole friend, how could I be an asshole?

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    THE says:

    @matoko_chan:

    While I find myself in agreement with a lot of what you are saying, I would be very cautious regarding Moshfegh’s speech.

    If you read the Frontline article that Andrew Sullivan is referencing, it’s clear that there are many problems with this speech.
    Weighing up the significance of this is no trivial matter.

    Be careful jumping to conclusions is all I’m saying.
    Some of the comments on that link are very insightful too.

  119. 119
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @roshan: I think the answer is that your friend does not yet know that you are an asshole. (Not personally directed, of course. I have no idea if you are or are not an asshole.)

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    Boots says:

    Williams was publicly ousted by the National Tea Party Federation last month after posting a satirical letter supposedly from “the Colored People.” He resigned as spokesman of the Tea Party Express in July and told reporters he would focus on fighting the mosque plan, the New York Daily News reported at the time.

    It’s too bad no one at the DCCC has the stones to run a clip like this on a loop in every sebnate district up for grabs this year.

  122. 122
    Boots says:

    @asdf:

    It’s the Free Republic. I’d be disappointed if they were saying anything less, actually.

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    trollhattan says:

    @cleek:

    You see, I had no expectation of learning anything remotely this kewhl on getting out of bed this morning. Yet, despite my low bar height, I now know about Sun Wukong! Even the name is kewhl.

    “Sun Wukong”

  124. 124
    bemused says:

    @Mark S.:
    Dr. Laura’s show should be called, “Looking for advice in all the wrong places”.

  125. 125
    Allison W. says:

    NY POST COVER: (rupert murdoch paper)

    Obama blesses ground zero mosque

    ‘Allah Right by Me’

    http://www.nypost.com/archives.....EA162B7E04

    NY DAILY NEWS:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....pages.html

    Prez: build the mosque

    Obama backs Muslism center near WTC

    FYI: Obama in Panama city beach, florida right now.

  126. 126
    dmsilev says:

    @calipygian: I like how that Gaffney screed was posted at ‘Big Peace’, another Breitbart production. They really do think that Orwell was writing an instruction manual, not a cautionary tale.

    How long until we get ‘Big Truth’ and ‘Big Love’? Granted, the latter is already taken, but so what?

    dms

  127. 127
    Allison W. says:

    @Boots:

    enough with the genital/ manhood knocks already. every attack doesn’t work in every market. The most pressing issue is how republicans have actively and shamelessly worked to stop the recovery.

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    asdf says:

    I shouldn’t be surprised, I suppose, but all this racism is just shocking to me. Who cares?

    If I were driving my little niece to soccer and some of that came on the radio…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @dmsilev: It’s Big BooTAY.

    ETA: Has anyone heard from Cole? He usually is alive by this point in the day. Was the bash too much for him? Did Tunch finally get him?

  130. 130
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    “Political Correctness” started out as a joke among hard lefties, making fun of the sort of orthodox tendencies you found amongst Trotskyites…who, interestingly, have converted since then to neo-conservatism.

    The vile asshole that is David Horowitz personifies the sort of twit they were tweeking.

    The wingnuts, of course, miss the entire point of “PC” in the process….you can’t get people much more into rigid orthodoxy than the wingnuts.

  131. 131
    dmsilev says:

    OT: Via Digby, this is one of the most hilarious entries “stupid wingnut tricks” file that I’ve seen in quite a while.

    dms

  132. 132
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @dmsilev: The mind, it boggles and reels at the same time.

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    maus says:

    @matoko_chan: It’s specifically hate against muslims/hindus, not african-americans (for once.)

    @dmsilev: What is is about Rand (and Anime, for that matter…) that turns people into utter manchildren?

  134. 134
    matoko_chan says:

    @Svensker: Rand was also a sexual libertine.

  135. 135
    Mayken says:

    @Mark S.: She’s sexist and a religious bigot of several stripes – it surprises you she’s a racist?

  136. 136
    Michael says:

    Also on Free Republic on Dr Laura:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/fo.....page=47#47

    To: SoFloFreeper

    I’ve used it all my life and I don’t give a damn what anyone thinks!

    47 posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 11:44:16 AM by dalereed

    [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

    And yes, this is a real live person who is not lying.

  137. 137
    Mayken says:

    @Nick: Jan 20, 2009. (Well, actually before that, since shortly after Obama declared his candidacy but that’s the most convenient date, imho.)

  138. 138
    PurpleGirl says:

    OT but I just saw this at Digby’s place:

    http://leanleft.com/2010/08/14.....-roadtrip/

    It’s a hoot. (It really belongs on a Rand Paul thread or similar but this is the current thread.)

  139. 139
    Svensker says:

    @dmsilev:

    OT: Via Digby, this is one of the most hilarious entries “stupid wingnut tricks” file that I’ve seen in quite a while.

    And if you click through to the comments at the source things get even more hilarious. That is if you find “Did so!” “Did not!” “Did so!” “I’m telling mom!” style of argument hilarious.

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    THE says:

    @Ramiah Ariya:

    my monkey god can kick Jehovah’s ass

    “Thou art the mighty ape Hanuman that aided Vishnu in the incarnation of Rama in his expedition against Ravana”. – The Mahabharata

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    morzer says:

    @matoko_chan:

    To be more precise, she forced a young disciple to service her sexually, and once he decided it was all too revolting, she immediately disowned him.

  142. 142
    matoko_chan says:

    @maus: no….wingers hate all outgroups. they have come to realize the downside of open bigotry against blacks tho……that is why the obama/watermelon, michelle/chimpanzee, black/gorilla stuff gets played under the table. williams got a smackdown for the overt racism in his NAACP letter…….hes gone stealthy….monkey god instead of moon god.
    open bigotry against blacks means they lose the youth demographic.
    Black entertainers and atheletes are the leading wave of american culture….so old white racists are uncool.

    they have been telling themselves that the youth demographic turns conservative at 30…..that is more magical thinking.
    The Vanishing Young Republicans

    As it turns out, young voters began abandoning the Republican Party long before Barack Obama was even a serious contender for the presidency. Those pinning the Republican Party’s poor fortunes among young voters on the Obama candidacy miss the source of the problem and certainly underestimate its severity.
    I’ve been troubled in recent months when discussing the issue of young voters with some fellow Republicans. There seems to be a sort of conventional wisdom that we should expect young voters to trend liberal and Democratic, that the behavior of young voters in 2008 is not serious cause for concern. This stems from a belief in partisanship as a life-cycle factor, that voters start liberal and Democratic and wind up older, conservative, and Republican. But the data paint a very different picture. Take the graph of partisan identification for instance; over the last few decades, young voters have not identified with the Democratic party in substantially higher numbers than voters overall. Even conservatism had its moment among young voters in the 1980’s. Yet with the end of the Reagan presidency, young voters shifted toward liberalism. This ideological shift did not play out into actual partisan identification in a meaningful way until 2006 and 2008.
    Another bit of conventional wisdom I hear from my fellow Republicans about the youth vote is that they need to vote Democratic twice before they are “locked in for life”, supporting the notion that there is still time to turn the tide among this generation. Unfortunately, given that the shift began in 2006 and not 2008, for many voters the GOP may simply be too late. For the rest, if the Republican Party does not take immediate action to repair its brand, this generation may exhibit similarly low levels of Republican identification for years to come.

    consider Audra Shay leader of the “young” republicans. She is pushing 40 real hard. Consider James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles….old people in young person suits so crude you can see the zipper a half mile away.

  143. 143
    Common Sense says:

    Whattya know, the Prez can eloquently defend a basic American principle, even when it is unpopular and he doesn’t have any direct control over the outcome. Wish he”d figure that out wrt DADT.

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    matoko_chan says:

    @maus:

    and Anime, for that matter…) that turns people into utter manchildren?

    wallah….don’t be a hater.
    im a total weeaboo and and a stone otaku of the Major.
    and a grrl.
    here, try some j-pop…..you needs broadening.
    Heavenly Star by Genki Rockets
    Sentimental Piggy Romance by Lovely Mokochang.
    :)

  145. 145
    Michael says:

    @matoko_chan:

    …Audra Shay leader of the “young” republicans.

    For 40, she’s looking a lot like 48. Time is not treating that woman well.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    t@matoko_chan:

    a lot of people are operating on their a priori knowledge that shariah is intrinsically evil and inhuman. it is not. it is a system of religious doctrine encoded as islamic law. most of it is good and useful…it is a prescription for just behavior and approaching allah.
    like the ten commandments would be if they became part of american jurisprudence.

    Right. As an animist, I don’t want “a system of religious doctrine” encoded into civil law, because our democracy is based on the idea that civil society is distinct from religious belief. I don’t want shariah law engraved on the courthouse wall any more than I want the “Ten Commandments” there, because doing so is both anti-American and against my personal religious beliefs.

  147. 147
    matoko_chan says:

    i love Genki Rockets soooo much.
    this is OT, but the lead singer is supposed to be a synth, a total silicon voice composite that isn’t a single carbon based human at all.
    she has her own website and fan club.
    the next demographic the wingers will hate on……synthetic humans.

  148. 148
    matoko_chan says:

    @Anne Laurie: like i said, that can NEVAH happen in america.
    but it IS THE ONLY THING that can happen in islamic cultures, unless there is colonization or a dictator.
    The doctrine of the People of the Book includes jews and christians….the Caliphate had freedom of religion…jews and christians were citizens……but not freedom of proselytization.
    that is why COIN fails.
    COIN is proselytization of western culture.

  149. 149
    Anne Laurie says:

    @matoko_chan:

    the next demographic the wingers will hate on……synthetic humans

    I’m not sure John Boehner isn’t one of the those synthetic humans, actually. It would explain his weird non-human skin tone, not to mention his functional inability to respond to normal human emotional cues.

  150. 150
    matoko_chan says:

    @Anne Laurie: but they don’t hate him.
    :)
    citizen cyborg is going to be a complete nightmare for the wingers.
    they already think transhumanism is of the devil.

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    John says:

    @matoko_chan:

    but it is an islamic democracy with islamic political parties, and an ex-colony. Lebanon is an excolony.

    Once you exclude all ex-colonies from consideration, all you have left is Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and the northern half of Yemen. Everywhere else in the Islamic world was a colony at some point. And, of course, Turkey is a secular democracy (more or less). So is Albania, for that matter.

  153. 153
    matoko_chan says:

    @John: dude that is my point. Turkey is a kemalist regime imposed by a dictator that is evolving to be a representative islamic state. WHAT DON”T YOU GET ABOUT THIS RETARD?
    As wonderful as you think western judeoxian democracy is muslims will not choose it……as awful as you think shariah is, muslims will vote for shariah when they get to vote.

  154. 154
    morzer says:

    @matoko_chan:

    WHAT DON”T YOU GET ABOUT THIS RETARD?

    Calling yourself a retard may be accurate, but it really doesn’t strengthen your argument, such as it is.

  155. 155
    AxelFoley says:

    @Toast:

    There’s nothing wrong with Mark Williams that a baseball bat to the face can’t fix.

    I like your style.

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    THE says:

    As wonderful as you think western judeoxian democracy is muslims will not choose it……as awful as you think shariah is, muslims will vote for shariah when they get to vote.

    Yeah, that’s where you and I part company I suspect.
    Forced to choose, I would always choose a secular dictatorship rather than a theocratic democracy.

    Secular>>democracy, for me.

    e.g. If I had to choose to live in China or Iran?
    I’d choose China.

  157. 157
    matoko_chan says:

    @THE: you arent the one choosing.

  158. 158
    monkeyboy says:

    @Bob L:

    “Monkey God” is what they claim Atheist worship. So these nitwits really think atheism and Islam are the same things.

    I adopted my nickname a good while back to proclaim my heritage and to annoy creationists (and as a homage to Buckaroo Banzai). I’ve never heard of Atheists worshiping monkeys but I guess some people think everybody worships their ancestors.

    I’m available in case someone wants to worship me. Cash tithing using unmarked bills is the truest form of worship.

  159. 159
    morzer says:

    @monkeyboy:

    I’ve never heard of Atheists worshiping monkeys

    Those wily Darwinian cultists and their simian sharia….

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    THE says:

    True, and I’m not inclined to intervene in other countries unless it very directly impinges on our interests.

    I’m a very poor internationalist by any measure.
    So while I wouldn’t meddle in other countries internal affairs,
    neither will I support human rights campaigns or foreign aid.
    Other than maybe emergency aid.
    I really do believe in independent paths.

    Voluntary trade, investment and treaties are OK.

  161. 161
    THE says:

    Sorry, my last comment was response to matoko_chan @157

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    Uncle Clarence Thomas says:

    @Common Sense:

    I don’t understand why they made Obama narrow his “defense” of the mosque:
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/.....fense.html

  163. 163
    henqiguai says:

    @Omnes Omnibus (#105):

    Should Obama be compelled to issue a statement every time right wing idiots get upset about something?

    Yeah, still catching up. So, Omnes; the President should address this, even if only in a simple state, because the whole issue centers around one of the United States’ bed-rock central raison d’etres – nicely summed up in the First Amendment. Some probably call it ‘leadership’.

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    matoko_chan says:

    @monkeyboy: oh i thot you were this kind of monkeyboy.

    Dr. Lizardo : “Laugha while you can monkeyboy.”

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    ksmiami says:

    @matoko_chan:

    Why would anyone young and sane vote Republican? What does the party offer someone up and coming in the world?? I don’t even think that party can recover in the long term considering the loonies are running the asylum. That isn’t to say that 2010 elections might be rough for the Democrats, but as the GOP is now locked into this ever-nuttier feedback loop (my ideas aren’t crazy – see, Nancy here agrees), they lose the ability to connect with the majority. I can’t even stand listening to the other side as it has been par-boiled to its hardened Fox-news edumacated core. And that’s not even counting the million mis-step campaign with women, minorities, etc.

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