I wonder if the glibertarians at Reason, who got very excited over drawing cartoons of Mohammed, will embrace this:
On September 11, 2010, the extremist evangelical Dove World Church — whose pastor, Terry Jones, has written a book called “Islam Is Of The Devil” — plans to host “International Burn A Quran Day,” when it will burn Muslims’ sacred text and encourage others across the world to do so as well. Churchmember Wayne Sapp has even posted an instructional video that explains how and why to burn the Islamic text.
Why not! I mean, it’s just a book, right, glibertarians?
This Quran burning/Everyone Draw Mohammed nonsense is the same kind of idiotic warblogger bullshit that I succumbed to for so long. “Hey, let’s really protest and show them who is boss- we’ll burn their holy books! What that you say? Enlist? Volunteer army bitches! Plus, I wear a lapel pin.”
West of the Cascades
Sure that’s not a spoof church run by Terry Jones of Monty Python fame?
Tom Hilton
It’s also the exact mirror image of the lefty attitude that Democrats can win if they just show ‘strength’.
Bill Rutherford, Princeton Admissions
Personally I’d settle for Reason and the glibertarians condemning this, but I’m not holding my breath:
http://www.teapartypatriots.org/BlogPostView.aspx?id=3e3c9354-e295-4195-bb8a-0e50fd522cf9
El Cid
Our culture is so god-damned committed to freedom of speech and our Christian religion is so based on Jesus’ undying love for you that we’ll burn your god-damned bastard ‘holy’ pagan infidel book to show you what freedom-lovin’, Christ emulating heroes we are.
Comrade Dread
Maybe he should skip a few steps and issue a proclamation of Crusade for all of his followers.
JC
Sorry, this is an idiotic equivalency you are drawing.
A picture of Mohammed, is just that a picture.
Burning a book, is – BURNING A BOOK. Destruction of knowledge, you know?
Bill Rutherford, Princeton Admissions
@JC:
A book is just that, a book.
Omnes Omnibus
They need an explanation of HOW to burn a book? Wow.
JC
Bill?
NO. Just no.
Bill Rutherford, Princeton Admissions
So if it was Draw A Picture Of Mohammed And Then Torch It Day, that would’ve been wrong, right?
Violet
These people want the clash of civilizations so they can hasten the End Times. It’s obvious from every move they make. The rest of us that are “left behind” will just have to deal. They’re going to be really disappointed if they’re left behind too.
Bill Rutherford, Princeton Admissions
Besides, I thought the whole point of Draw A Picture Of Mohammed Day was to piss off the PC commie faggot left. What would piss them off more than burning the Koran?
Alex S.
Way to prove the superiority of the western democracy…
EdTheRed
I’m tempted to show up packing heat with a stack of New Testaments, a bottle of lighter fluid, and a jumbo pack of strike-anywhere matches. Because it’s only a book, amiright?
JC
I think this Terry Jones is an effing idiot, along with all other book burners, but a creative drawing, is not in the same category as book burning.
ajr22
Mama Boucher: You gonna lose all your fancy “fools’ balls” games! And your gonna fail your big exam! Because school is?
Bobby Boucher: The devil?
[Mama gasps]
Bobby Boucher: Everything is the devil to you, Mama! Well, I like school, and I like football! And I’m gonna keep doin’ them both because they make me feel good!
Bobby Boucher: [Bobby runs out, slamming the door, then comes back in] And by the way, Mama. “Alligators” are ornery ’cause of their “Medula Oblongata”!
Bobby Boucher: [Bobby runs back out, then back in again] And I like Vicki, and she like me back! And she showed me her boobies and I like them too!
[slams door on Mama]
MoeLarryAndJesus
I just noticed a stain in my underwear that looks just like Ayn Rand. I think I’ll lacquer it and send it to Reason for their museum.
Or would they prefer it unlacquered?
Cacti
Book-burning will always say a lot more about the burner than it does about the book.
asdf
Pardon my simplistic point of view but does every freak show HAVE to get television coverage?
Rosalita
@EdTheRed:
I was thinking the same thing, and you put it so well…
ellaesther
@asdf: I know, right? Just say no, MSM!
Just.say.no.
Kyle
@Bill Rutherford, Princeton Admissions:
Some of these tools actually think ‘the left’ loves Islam, because we aren’t filled with mouth-foaming hatred of all its adherents, or because we have issues with fundie Xtian theocracy/dominionism/hate.
Because an oppressive, intolerant religion more backward-assed than Christianity is exactly what liberalism is all about.
ellaesther
An American Muslim who I greatly respect (and who’s being funded by the Big Dog’s foundation, so, you know, he’s caught some important eyes) is Eboo Patel.
Here are his thoughts on Draw Muhammad Day: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eboo-patel/free-speech-vs-fundamenta_b_571459.html
They boil down to – are you exercising free speech? Or just being a jerk?
matoko_chan
Cole, i used to be rightwing fucktard too, and amusingly my arabic class turned out to be a gateway drug for Islam. i went from the classic arabian ode to the meccan suras to full frontal reversion.
Pastor Jones sounds like he is scared to death of the Qur’an….with reason.
@JC: actually, Draw Muhammed Day was what we call snakepoking.
Out here in the west we have a whole class of citizens that we call snakepokers.
They come in to urgent care with a snakebite and their story is always the same….they were jogging or cycling, just exercising their peaceful constitutional right to freedom of exercise, and the snake jumped out and bit them!
….but….the snake bite is always on their hand or wrist.
so obviously these peaceful free exercise advocates had picked up a stick and were snakepoking.
And do you know what else?
the snakepokers are always sorry.
but they still picked up the stick.
matoko_chan
Cole, i used to be rightwing fucktard too, and amusingly my arabic class turned out to be a gateway drug for Islam. i went from the classic arabian ode to the meccan suras to full frontal reversion.
Pastor Jones sounds like he is scared to death of the Qur’an….with reason.
@JC: actually, Draw Muhammed Day was what we call snakepoking.
Out here in the west we have a whole class of citizens that we call snakepokers.
They come in to urgent care with a snakebite and their story is always the same….they were jogging or cycling, just exercising their peaceful constitutional right to freedom of exercise, and the snake jumped out and bit them!
….but….the snake bite is always on their hand or wrist.
so obviously these peaceful free exercise advocates had picked up a stick and were snakepoking.
And do you know what else?
the snakepokers are always sorry.
after they get bit.
matoko_chan
pardon, Cole i used 2 links. could you unmoderate my comment plz?
Omnes Omnibus
@ellaesther:
Well, on this blog, it tends to be a both/and situation. ;)
matoko_chan
wow ellaester and i said the same thing.
kharmic.
wilfred
The guy is just a huckster. A while back I posted something here about this church having kids wear ‘Islam is from the devil’ t-shirts to school. I heard from someone at the Muslim Students Council that Jones was trying to raise money because the banks denied him a mortgage or something and he was pulling all kinds of stunts – one was calling the mayer a ‘homo’ or something. Redstate will set up a paypal account for him when they find out; donations will pour in.
More insidious bigotry is much more sophisticated, like the ADL’s coming out against the mosque near ground zero.
Corner Stone
@Kyle:
I do love Islam. About as much as I love any religion.
And IMO, your descriptive there plays into a false narrative about Islam.
Some of its most extreme practitioners may have interpreted their intent incorrectly, but again IMO, I doubt this is an accurate depiction of Islam the religion itself.
ellaesther
@matoko_chan: Wait, what?
/scuttles off to look.
ETA – Oh, was it the thing that’s in moderation now? Because no worries – I apparently have your back!
Beauzeaux
It’s a brilliant tactic. Just look how effective it was when they burned Beatles records in 1966.
matoko_chan
lawl, my comment is in moderation.
you will have to wait.
:)
Corner Stone
Speaking of glibertarians and wankery:
Club for Growth PAC Endorses Rand Paul for Senate
Shocked! Shocked I am!!
comrade scott's agenda of rage
@El Cid:
That’s pretty much defined Christianity since the gitgo. Just ask any Northern European pagan from, oh 500-1200 AD.
Or Muslims during the Crusades. For that matter, fellow splitter Christians up to, oh, now.
Sarcastro
@28
What exactly counts as “an accurate depiction of Islam the religion itself”? Are we supposed to appeal to some Platonic Islamic form in the sky? What “intent” inheres within a book that can, obviously, articulate any number of violent or non-violent believers?
Glenn Beck's Chalkboard
This is so sad. What happened to Terry? He was so funny in Monty Python, and all those PBS shows about the Barbarians.
Bill Murray
@asdf: How will anyone know the proper pecking order of we can’t judge people from the TV. I mean I wouldn’t know anything about shirtless, accused criminals if it weren’t for Cops. But when I watch them run, I know who is the better man
Bill Murray
@comrade scott’s agenda of rage: Hey there were a couple of Crusades against splitter Christian groups, they are usually forgotten due to latter day embarrassment
gnomedad
@Omnes Omnibus:
Wrap it in a flag? Because FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, bitchez!
Omnes Omnibus
@Glenn Beck’s Chalkboard: 9/11 changed everything.
matoko_chan
ill just post without the link.
Cole, i used to be rightwing fucktard too, and amusingly my arabic class turned out to be a gateway drug for Islam. i went from the classic arabian ode to the meccan suras to full frontal reversion.
Pastor Jones sounds like he is scared to death of the Qur’an….with reason.
@JC: actually, Draw Muhammed Day was what we call snakepoking.
Out here in the west we have a whole class of citizens that we call snakepokers.
They come in to urgent care with a snakebite and their story is always the same….they were jogging or cycling, just exercising their peaceful constitutional right to freedom of exercise, and the snake jumped out and bit them!
….but….the snake bite is always on their hand or wrist.
so obviously these peaceful free exercise advocates had picked up a stick and were snakepoking.
And do you know what else?
the snakepokers are always sorry.
after they get bit.
The link was to a weepy piece by Molly the glibertarian that started up DMD and ended up getting death threats from both sides.
Like I said, snakepokers are always sorry after they get bit.
matoko_chan
merde.
Catsy
You know who else burned books? Hitler.
Just sayin’.
Corner Stone
@Sarcastro:
I think you misread my comment, or I possibly was not very clear.
I’m not attempting to define Islam the religion. As I used the phrase IMO twice it should be clear I am objecting to the description offered of “Because an oppressive, intolerant religion”.
Whatever Islam means to people is of course personal in nature. I happen to object to Islam being described the way it was, and mildly suggested it was not a great way to discuss it.
So, I may not know what Islam is, but IMO I feel this is not it.
Silver
Meh, I jerk off into Gideon’s bibles when I’m in hotel rooms.
My usual MO is to leave a load right on Genesis 38. I think about my sister-in-law the entire time I’m jerking off.
It’s sort of the same thing, no?
gypsy howell
Can we throw bibles into the fire too?
Burn em all!!
DFH no.6
Of course, these bigoted assholes have the right to express their bigotted assholeness in this way, foolish and provocative bullshit that it is.
First Amendment and all that. Just as those of us who recognize it for the foolish and unhelpful bullshit that it is have the right to call them out on it and condemn them for being bigotted assholes.
And that’s the point where the rightwing nimrods like Palin get it all wrong and accuse those of us responding to their nonsense (on whatever topic) as somehow interfering with their First Amendment rights.
Criticism of them equals abrogation of their free speech rights. No doubt a number of the more clever among them (Limbaugh) making this ridiculous argument know it is bullshit, but others (Palin) truly are dimwitted and/or pig-ignorant enough to actually believe that. Here in SB1070 land I work with both types.
Again, glad that John had his road to Damascus conversion from darkness to the light, even if it was a gradual awakening and not a lightning strike epiphany-thing.
jl
The very Reverend Terry Jones clarifies: this Koran burning is a kind of religious welcome wagon for Muslims.
Neat!
These silly liberals always get excited over nothing.
‘ In a recent interview with CNN’s Rick “The List” Sanchez, Jones said that the book burning was all part of his plan to welcome Muslims to American while simultaneously reminding them that their faith is an evil thing that must be destroyed at all costs (or, saving that, desecrated publicly in the name of Jesus.)
“We have nothing against Muslims,” Jones told Sanchez. “They are welcome in our country.” ‘
Koran-Burning Pastor: Muslims Are Welcome In America (VIDEO)
Evan McMorris-Santoro, July 30, 2010
Talkingpointsmemo
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/koran-burning_pastor_muslims_are_welcome_in_americ.php?ref=fpb
arguingwithsignposts
@Silver:
Woah, green balloons there, fella!
bobbo
What color shall we tint our blogs on International Burn A Quran Day?
THE
@Silver,
I had to look up Gen 38, but I get it now.
JC
Hey, Genesis 38. It’s like an episode of As The World Turns, just olden names. That Tamar sure was passed around.
Niques
@Violet:
. . . because the God they supposedly worship isn’t moving fast enough for them? So they’ll force His hand?
Wouldn’t want to be them.
Paris
@EdTheRed:
I’ve already got a stack of Bibles reserved for book burning day. Will W’s memoir be out by then?
Zifnab
You know what? Let them burn all the Koreans they want. I support this kind of thing like I support modern day Klan Rallies. Get all the wackos out in the open where we can see them. Put everyone’s face on camera. Make sure none of the bastards ever try to run for Senate.
ruemara
@Zifnab:
I must protest the burning of Koreans. I mean, Margaret Cho is fairly awesome. And burning korean bbq is simply a sin.
Zifnab
@ruemara: It is too late for me to edit! fail
The Moar You Know
@Zifnab: I love Korean BBQ. Let me know the time and place.
Glenn Beck's Chalkboard
@ellaesther:
You really are missing OTAN with the Golden Horde, aren’t you?
handy
@ruemara:
But if it’s BBQ, and you’re–burning it, then…
russell
Onan the Barbarian.
Morbo
@comrade scott’s agenda of rage:
Gus
This is a tough one. It pits my contempt for organized religion against my contempt for right wing assholes.
KCinDC
Considering that some Muslim authority or other has recently condemned skimpy clothing, mullets, and vuvuzelas, I shudder to think what the next gathering of Freedom-Loving Americans will look and sound like.
Sheila
Prescience from Eric Hoffer in 1951:
“The Americans are poor haters in international affairs because of their innate feeling of superiority over all foreigners. An American’s hatred for a fellow American (for Hoover or Roosevelt) is far more virulent than any antipathy he can work up against foreigners. It is of interest that the backward South shows more xenophobia than the rest of the country. Should Americans begin to hate foreigners wholeheartedly, it will be an indication that they have lost confidence in their own way of life.”
And from Hoffer also:
“There is a guilty conscience behind every brazen word and act and behind every manifestation of self-righteousness.”
Linda Featheringill
Religious bigotry is religious bigotry is religious bigotry.
Period.
El Cid
A friend of mine used to keep around a New Testament he was handed once, and every time he needed a bookmark for a real book, he’d tear a page out and use it, then throw it away.
DFH no.6
@Morbo:
TYR — Faroe Islands Viking Metal band (I take it you don’t mean the Ozzy-less Black Sabbath album of that name).
Heard them at the Paganfest here in Sheriff Joe Arpaio land last year. They look the part (while I, sadly, don’t). Hope to see them again someday.
TYR — along with Amon Amarth from Sweden — are my usual gym IPod-fare (iron-pumping sessions, of course). Seems to help, what with the aging and attendant loss of testosterone and all.
Litlebritdifrnt
“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a bible”
I am reminded of my trip to Egypt years ago. We visited a particular temple where the faces of all of the stone reliefs of the gods were chipped away. I asked our tour guide why this was and she stated that early Christians believed it was a sign of devotion to vandalize the “pagan” symbols, thereby destroying historical artifacts in the their pathetic attempt to show devotion to “thier” god. It is akin to the demolition of those iconic statues in Afghanistan by the Taliban. Religion is nothing more than gang warfare, with the latest gang painting over the symbols of the gang that owned the territory previously. It is utterly pathetic and shows the very worse of the human condition.
keestadoll
Again, gotta love Google. Tried to be garden-variety nut and entered “Islam sucks.”
791,000 hits, including Facebook which hosts an Islam Sucks page.
I’m taking a very long bubble bath now courtesy of Lush.
Brachiator
Sorry. I just don’t see any equivalence to the Draw a Picture of the Prophet kerfluffle.
Nor do I think that the morans at Reason have any particular need to respond to this. This kind of stupidity is everybody’s responsibility.
Where is this thing being held? I would gladly be willing to throw in for a stack of Bibles to be thrown on a pyre next to the other burning holy books. I’ll also add a couple of crosses and an American flag.
RD
Oh the sweet
stenchsmell of American fascism.