The unmasking of yet another homophobe hypocrite minister made me think back to the good Christian state of Mississippi. A couple of months ago, I wrote about Constance MacMillen, the lesbian teenager who wanted to attend her school prom in Fulton, Mississippi. Her school had canceled the prom, but after a lawsuit brought by the ACLU, there was an agreement that Constance could attend the private prom.
It turns out that parents and students decided to hold two proms. Constance was invited to only one of them, along with 7 other students, including two with learning disabilities. As has been the case throughout this mess, Constance showed far more class than the adults in her backwater ville:
“They had the time of their lives,” McMillen says. “That’s the one good thing that come out of this, [these kids] didn’t have to worry about people making fun of them [at their prom].”
Meanwhile, in Wesson, Mississippi, Ceara Sturgis, a lesbian senior, tried to have her picture included in the yearbook. Since she was wearing a tuxedo, the administration at the Wesson Attendance Center decided to not only refuse to print the picture, but also erased her name from the pages of seniors graduating from that august institution of learning. Of course, this being Mississippi, the senior section did include a kid who had already dropped out of school.
Both of these young women have supportive families who were willing to go to bat for them. I wonder about the many who don’t, some of whom end up as suicides, runaways or both. Those kids never seem to be mentioned by Baptist minister compatriots of John Dobson who prefer their rent boys with a “perfectly built 8 inch cock (uncut)”.
Mike Kay
sad, considering Trent Lott had to resign from the senate because of his own rent-boy problem.
YellowJournalism
This includes the professionals in her life that were supposed to stand up for her and act in her best interests. Anyone from that school should have their teaching licenses revoked.
de stijl
How very Ministry of Truth of them.
kommrade reproductive vigor
I’m still waiting for evidence those fuckers give half a shit about any kids once they breathe oxygen. But hey, given what these bastards get up to between bouts of panty sniffing anything that threatens a steady supply of runaway boys would be seen as a bad thing.
Napoleon
I hate the south, I really do.
JSD
@Napoleon:
I wonder what it would be like if the North had let them secede.
David
I grew up in Texas and I can remember when I was in college I met a 58 yr old man who was a virgin and just coming to grips with his homosexuality — it was sad then and that was 30 years ago.
gbear
In addition, Mississippi kids are fat.
stuckinred
I’m surprised there had been so little about this punk Kirkland
Elisabeth
Before y’all go ripping apart the South, and Mississippi in particular, please keep in mind that there are homophobic assholes in every corner of this country.
But I did move from the Gulf Coast to Vermont for more reasons than the weather.
Linda Featheringill
@Napoleon: Hate the south:
It does seem like the bad, awful jerks have all the power and they have had control for a long time.
But there are a lot of folks in the South who are fighting back. The sane people in the world do have some allies in the South.
kay
If you were Mississippi, would you be actively chasing smart athletic people out of the state?
Maybe they have too many of those.
Eric U.
I’d be interested to see a school in the northern states pull off anything this homophobic. There are some backwaters in Central Pennsylvania that probably could if they had the chance. But the prom scam had to have 100% acquiescence by every adult involved, and I suspect that would be difficult outside of a fairly small number of southern rural areas. It bothers me that there was not one single person in that community with enough of a conscience to tell Constance about the conspiracy.
Comrade Javamanphil
@Elisabeth: Anybody that would move to Vermont for the weather should seek professional help. However, you will never find a happier citizenry than on a sunny July day on Church St in Burlington.
gbear
@stuckinred: I can’t read stuff like that without wanting to go crawl into a hole. Growing up in the midwest in the 60’s wasn’t terribly safe for someone realizing they were queer, and it took me a fucking long time to come to terms with it and come out. Reading shit like Kirkland’s article both reminds me of the self hatred that I felt and also the hatred I had towards people like him. I can’t read more than a couple sentences and I have to get out.
Elisabeth
@Comrade Javamanphil:
There isn’t enough snow in the world for me…ever. :) If you see some idiot acting a fool in the snow ~ it’s me.
The “do I board up the windows or not?” conundrum was one reason to send me packing. And, I cannot stand the heat.
Comrade Tank Hueco
@Eric U.:
Bless their hearts.
Litlebritdifrnt
OT – but would everyone in the blogosphere and the MSM, and every single outlet that I have listened to and read today quit talking about “The New York City Bombing” THERE WAS NO FUCKING BOMBING. It failed, the so called bomber was a total and utter failure…. I swear if we Brits got our panties in a wad this way everytime the IRA failed to blow shit up we would have been in a constant state of meltdown (and yes I posted the same plea over at rump roast). Damn.
Mark S.
I do as well. I wonder how many suicides have been indirectly caused by assholes like this Rekers guy.
kommrade reproductive vigor
God knows they’d be lonely if they stayed.
Scott
I wonder about the many who don’t, some of whom end up as suicides, runaways or both.
No kidding.
Svensker
@Litlebritdifrnt:
.
This. Our complete overreaction to 9/11 was of a piece. Yes, of course, it was horrible. But for us to act like it was The Most Terrible Thing Ever after what our friends in Britain and Europe went through in the last century. Man up, huh?
Linda Featheringill
@gbear: So how are you doing now?
Is your life calm and productive? Or at least interesting?
Martin
@Elisabeth: Um, this was two examples of entire schools going along the plan. This isn’t nutpicking. This is cultural and sufficiently uniform that there was no pushback within the community.
Sorry, but once you get to this scale you’re seeing the normative behavior with individuals being the exception, not the other way around.
Joel
I liked how the kids isolated the two special needs kids as well as four others for ridicule, in addition to McMillen.
Lord of the Flies indeed.
Martin
@Litlebritdifrnt: Wait, you mean the proper response to terrorism isn’t to act as terrified as possible?! Fuck.
Do you guys have a pamphlet to hand out? A “So, you’ve decided to be terrified…” guide, perhaps?
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@stuckinred: My dad describes that he and others knew some of the other soldiers in Vietnam were gay; they gay ones tended to be left alone, knew to shower at different times than the others. No shootings or anything else, but other than professional interaction they were kept separate.
aimai
You can order Keep Calm/Carry On doormats (sic) online. I think we may need to order them by the bajillion.
aimai
kay
@Elisabeth:
I’m going to agree with Martin. My area is white, and rural, and has a really, really loud minority fundamentalist Christian faction. They’re always yammering about something or other that they OBJECT to at the public high school.
We had a high school girl come out at school a coupla years ago. Both her parents are police officers, and both were really supportive. I didn’t hear a word against her. The only reason I knew about it is because I represent juveniles, and they were all buzzing, but not in a nasty or unkind way.
Everyone knows how raw teenagers are, and how vulnerable they can be, any teenager. It takes a special kind of nasty for a whole town to gang up on a kid. It’s fucking scary and weird.
asiangrrlMN
@stuckinred: Yeah, well, he was just kidding he says, so it’s OK!
The death throes of the culture war are going to be particularly vicious as the ‘warriors’ continue to lose ground. I fully expect situations like these to be more commonplace for a time before (hopefully) they subside.
Fuck.
middlewest
I was thinking today about what’s gonna happen after DADT is repealed, and I can’t imagine it’s going to be pretty. All of the rules about deference and respect to our servicemen and women are just going to go out the window overnight.
God forbid one gay soldier do anything wrong; there’ll be a giant screaming headline on Fox: OBAMA’S GAY ARMY OUT OF CONTROL!!! The tea party hoax is suddenly gonna start looking more like westboro baptist church. John McCain will publicly opine that gay soldiers are all affirmative action cases, or something. Homophobes will be given a nightly platform on CNN to provide “balance”. Glen Beck will muse about Hitler being gay and hmmm maybe there is a connection there?
And in reality there’s gonna be assaults, rapes, murders, coverups, Jesus it’s already bad enough for women.
It has to be done, of course, but it’s gonna be hell to get through.
+1
stuckinred
@Belafon (formerly anonevent): I had gay buddies in basic, Korea (67-68) and the Nam and it didn’t mean shit. What he is saying is tantamount to spitting on vets.
stuckinred
@asiangrrlMN: This motherfucker is no warrior.
Joseph Nobles
Joe.My.God. has a response from Rekers, who’s sticking to the lifting luggage story with a side of sharing the gospel/how icky gay sex is.
So intercourse is bad, but blow jobs are just fine and dandy with the Lord.
jacy
Did anybody consider that George Alan Rekers thought the site was “Rent-a-boy” and the disappointment he must have felt when he found out his porter was white?
Litlebritdifrnt
@Martin:
LOL – that is what the Repubs and teabaggers tend to forget, if you let them terrorise you they win. Message fail.
Elisabeth
@Martin:
And I could tell you of entire schools in Mississippi that are embarrassed by the stuff that other schools in the state do. Of course, a lot of the students leave the state because they don’t feel like being associated with the reputation MS and the rest of the South has.
In the end, though, my point was not to judge an entire state by the actions of a this group of people.
Montysano
Our company here in north Alabama is 30 years in the stage lighting business. We’re sending gear and a programmer to a gay-friendly prom in Tupelo on Saturday night. Green Day is one of the sponsors, and the rumor is that they’re going to show up and play.
Despite the warts, I love the Deep South and have no desire to live elsewhere. I’m not even sure I can explain why. It just grabbed me.
FWIW, the most vicious racists I know are my high school classmates from back in rural Indiana.
Elisabeth
@kay:
Sure it is ~ and feel free to ridicule the school and the community as much as you want.
I simply get annoyed when we paint entire states or regions with a wide brush. There are nasty ass racists and homophobes here in Soshulist Vermont, too. (Although I thought I’d left that behind, dummy me.)
Bnut
@middlewest:
I know what you mean. I had a company XO on my first deployment who was homosexual. He was also a terrible officer (which I think proves that homosexuals have truly integrated into our armed forces, lol). The first time an out member fucks up and someone gets killed, we’ll also get to hear about how “the gay are not good soldiers” in addition to the other BS.
kay
@stuckinred:
Oh, the whole “we love veterans” thing on the Right always came with conditions. Always. In a way, they’re more vitriolic when they turn on a veteran. Like it’s a personal affront, like they OWN the whole “veteran” category.
asiangrrlMN
@stuckinred: Oh, I know. I had a complete thought switch between my two paragraphs and didn’t bother with a segue. The cultural warriors are the ones like the administrations of these two schools in Mississippi. Kirkland is just an asshat.
@Elisabeth: True. Look at CA, which passed Prop. H8 and NY which voted against gay marriage.
@Bnut: I hope so, but I’m not very sanguine about that. I once wrote a play called, And They All Died in the End.
Bnut
@asiangrrlMN:
It’s always darkest before the dawn, right?
stuckinred
@kay: That became painfully clear during the Kerry campaign didn’t it? @Bnut: And I had a long line of idiot officers who were straight.
ellaesther
@kay: Apparently so-called “Christian” love does, too. And I think you’ll find a fair degree of overlap between the Right and what I would consider faux (but very loud!) Christians. Ahem.
ellaesther
@asiangrrlMN: I think you’re absolutely right. When people base their entire worldview on what boils down to fear, and then their worldview starts to lose ground, they turn fucking ugly, I’ll tell you what.
kay
@Elisabeth:
We have boatloads of racists here, and too many of them are Democrats, and I agree with you to a certain extent. I think liberals smearing whole regions is too much like conservatives sneering about San Francisco, or New York, or “Taxasachusets” so I see the danger there.
I think the difference for me is that these are kids, and it’s whole groups of adults. Usually there’s a social prohibition against this: large group of adults versus one kid. Usually any shunning would occur on an individual basis, if at all. I’m shocked that the sort of social compact didn’t kick in, and adults didn’t recognize what is really brutal bullying, aside from bigotry.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@stuckinred: I don’t know that you can really hold that much against him. He turned 18 the day he graduated from bootcamp – his mother signed him up – after growing up in west Texas. He was 18-19 in Vietnam.
Kirkland, on the other hand, has had 40 years to be ashamed – or at least remorseful – of that, and he doesn’t seem to be.
oklahomo
@Joseph Nobles: I feel for the rent boy. In between bouts of frantic sex, preaching. I hope he doubled his rate during the pray-a-thon sessions.
fucen tarmal
ww2 bomber crews had a saying,
if you’re not catching flak, you’re not over the target…
its something to keep in mind when we watch the reactions to dadt, the issues in mississippi, etc…
not sure how that helps constance and others like her, or in a worse situation because they are a male, or in a less supportive family, but at least it helps them know the problem isn’t them
Corner Stone
@Joseph Nobles: I’m a little sceptical here.
I seriously doubt this is legit at this point.
asiangrrlMN
@ellaesther: Agreed. That’s why I think it’s going to get far uglier before there’s even a hope of it getting better.
Corner Stone
@middlewest:
There’s no reason to worry about this anytime soon.
kay
@Elisabeth:
I agree with you. It’s too broad a brush. I personally did not do well in the south, so I’m absolutely biased. I suffered not at all, nothing that dramatic, but I never “got it”. I’m fairly comfortable as an “outsider” so I dealt with that, but, then, I knew I wasn’t sticking around. It always seemed like a lot of work, figuring them out. I think I missed every subtle social cue it is possible to miss.
Probably me, though, not them.
Martin
@asiangrrlMN: Except that residents of California DID push back against Prop 8. We failed, but not for lack of trying and we were vocal in our opposition. Where was that among the parents and administrators of those two schools? Neither plan would have worked if there wasn’t very broad support to exclude these students.
And of course there are bigots everywhere else. That’s not in dispute, and I won’t dispute that at least 51% of California falls in that category. But you’d be hard pressed to find the kind of institutional bigotry that is described in these cases in most other states – where you have near 100% support of that position and a deliberate willingness to shield that culture from the public.
Joseph Nobles
@oklahomo:
You said it. Dealing with the guilty ones should be half the paycheck.
@Corner Stone:
In what way? That the incident happened at all or that Joe.My.God was actually in correspondance with Rekers?
Oddly enough, I was skimming the forums at Randi.org and saw that two of the posters there are the people that broke the story in the first place.
ellaesther
@asiangrrlMN: Well, now, don’t forget, in many ways it is better. Can you imagine a Daniel Choi when we were growing up? Or even a serious discussion of gay marriage? Or feeling safe with telling us that you’re bi? Remember Anita Bryant? (Except you’re actually younger than me, so maybe you don’t. It’s just as well, really).
Much sucks, of that there is no doubt. But some things have changed. I was marveling just the other day that the guy who took over for Chicago Public Schools after Arne Duncan went to Washington is an out gay man who just adopted a child with his partner. EDUCATING OUR CHILDREN!!! If you can imagine.
asiangrrlMN
@Martin: I agree that Californians gave it a good try to push back against the stupid Prop 8 law. However, as you said, more than half of the people who voted voted to pass this law.
In the case of the schools, they are smaller and very often fiefdoms. Maybe some parents did speak out and were quashed. We don’t know. The point is, bigotry won in CA as it did in these two schools. My gut would say that endemic bigotry is more pervasive in the south, but I couldn’t say that for sure.
P.S. As for the schools, people do mean things to kids all the time just because. It’s not really surprising. Administrations tend to like the popular kids, too.
@ellaesther: I know what you are saying (and yes, I remember Ms. Bryant from my self-education), and I agree that the arc is slowly, excruciatingly moving forward. I just hate the fact that there will be more violence before it’s all said and done because cultural warriors do not go gently into the night.
Martin
@asiangrrlMN: If the parents spoke out in even the smallest way, then Constance would have known about the other prom. At least one parent would have invited her.
Seriously, this is conspiratorial. Not only was it intentional, it was kept secret by a large number of people. I can’t think of a single equivalent in the entire state of California. Nor can I think of a single equivalent in any other state that I’ve lived in. This isn’t a case of ‘some majority are bigoted’, this is formalized, institutionalized bigotry, hushed up by an entire community. This is culturally accepted segregation. This is a whole category above ‘we have some bigots here’.
Kyle
Fixed.
oklahomo
@asiangrrlMN:
…
They also have the nasty habit of grovelling before the popular kids’ parents.
I just can’t believe out of all the adults involved in these chickenshit stunts that not a one was brave enough to say, “Sorry, this is going to far, not for me.” Talk about herd mentality.
ellaesther
@asiangrrlMN: Me too. Absolutely. Me, too.
(And you needn’t rub it in that you know of Anita Bryant from reading about her. Some of us were in goddamn high school already!).
asiangrrlMN
@Martin: From what I can gather, not all the students knew about the prom. I tried to see how big the class was. I think it’s shitty. I agree that it’s community ostracizing. I just don’t think it’s as uncommon as you seem to think it is. Kids are fucking cruel. So are bigots. And, the culture of this particular school is obviously very antiquated, cruel, and harsh. However, the law passed in CA denies equal rights to all LGBT folk. That’s pretty fucking cruel, too. I am in no way defending this school or the students or the parents. I just think it’s too easy to dismiss as ‘that would never happen where I live’. This case went national because Constance and her family had the guts to stand up to the bullying and the bigotry–not many people in her situation would have done the same thing.
@oklahomo: Well, yeah, there is that, too. Groupthink runs deep.
@ellaesther: I just wasn’t aware of issues until I went to college. I’m not so young.
Rebecca
@Martin:
We might not have failed if we hadn’t run such a disorganized campaign. I’m sorry, but it’s true.
kommrade reproductive vigor
@Joseph Nobles: So, let’s see.
Mr. Pecker Reker had surgery. And since he would need someone to [ahem] “carry his bags” during his post-surgery tropical vacation, he decided he would get a little “proselytizing” in while he recuperated and hired a male prostitute to do all the heavy lifting.
Wow. That’s pretty fucking lame right there.
Martin
@asiangrrlMN: The difference though is that in California, 6.5 million people tried to stop it. In that school, it only would have required one parent or administrator.
Yeah, kids are cruel, so is half of California. I don’t dispute that. But what was required to remedy the situation? In CA, it was 7 million people, and we didn’t have that many, unfortunately. And we continue to fight against Prop 8. We will until it’s repealed. In MS, it was one parent. ONE. They couldn’t even muster ONE.
The problem in the south during civil rights wasn’t just the subset of the population willing to commit crimes against African-Americans. They existed everywhere. It was the 100% of the remaining population that were willing to go along and not help authorities identify the perpetrators, and that allowed the behavior to become safe and institutionalized. All it took was one person, and they couldn’t get one individual to testify. That kind of cultural attitude didn’t exist elsewhere, and that’s why the south was different from the rest of the country.
Do you really think that what happened to Constance could have happened anywhere in California, even considering the passage of Prop 8? No way. Even in the most fucked up corner of California I assure you there’d be at least one parent willing to bust the plan.
asiangrrlMN
@Martin: Yes. I think it could happen in certain areas of CA. I KNOW it could happen in certain areas of MN (Michele Bachman, I’m looking at you). There are many red areas of CA, just as there are red areas in MN. I do think this kind of bigotry may be more institutionalized in the south, but I can’t say that for sure. Some of the Republican candidates for governor here (and we haven’t had a Dem governor in MN since Perpich in 1993) said that the Papers, Please Law in AZ is a good first step. I have no doubt that this sort of thing happens all over the country, north and south.
Martin
@Rebecca: Oh, I agree. We ran a pretty shitty campaign. We always do though. So much shit hits the ballot every year that it’s impossible to muster enough manpower and money to stop it all. We’ve got Prop 16 looking to add another 2/3 voter supermajority-of-doom to ensure that the state remains ungovernable. Fuck, do we really need the same standard applied to public utilities as we do to call for a constitutional convention? And where are we supposed to come up with the tens of millions of dollars in media buys to push back against this insanity? (MSNBC just ran another Prop 16 ad as I was typing this…)
Martin
@asiangrrlMN: You really think there’s 100% iron-clad support for this kind of thing in communities in MN? I don’t buy that.
asiangrrlMN
@Martin: Yes. I do. In a small rural community? Absolutely could happen. It doesn’t reflect on the state as a whole. Like I said, she had the courage to take a stand. Many in her position, without the backing of parents, would not have done the same. Small-minded petty bigots react in fear as they always do. And, we don’t know exactly how many of her community knew about this and didn’t tell her. I doubt the support was a hundred percent.
I am disgusted by what the school and community did to Constance, but I am not surprised.
beergoggles
@JSD:
I wonder what it would be like if the North had let them secede.
We would have nuked them instead of Japan.
Michael
They loves them some George Rekers over at Free Republic….
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=rekers&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=freerepublic.com&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images
Bnut
@stuckinred:
That’s the point I was making. I can’t imagine wanting to join the military and being gay. The fact that I’ve had stupid gay officers, to me at least, is a sign that we are close to normalization.
Mnemosyne
This is, I think, the difference between bigotry in the North and bigotry in the South: the North didn’t have an entire social structure built to reinforce and maintain an unfair system the way the South did with Jim Crow. That social structure lasted for close to 100 years and only grudgingly started to change under enormous pressure from the rest of the country.
And as a California resident of 20+ years, I have to say that the No on 8 campaign was one of the worst-run I’ve ever seen. Who the hell thought it was a great idea to make ads whose message was essentially, “It’s okay to hate gay people as long as you let us get married”?
nitpicker
There’s a billboard on I-55 near Jackson that reads:
OUR CHILDREN CAN’T READ,
MISSISSIPPI
We are all losers.
Yutsano
@asiangrrlMN: I want to be surprised. I’m trying to be surprised. But it just saddens me. I can’t say much more than that about it.
@Bnut: A gay Marine? Unpossible! Oh wait…
Jager
@stuckinred:
I was in the Army at the same time as this asshole, I have to say we had GI parties from time to time, but never because anyone was suspected of being gay. We usually rousted guys because of their personal hygiene or being total fuckwards who screwed shit up for the rest of us! Both these guys are completely full of shit!
Yutsano
@Comrade Tank Hueco: I saw what you did there.
terry chay
@asiangrrlMN:
Let’s put some numbers to the speculation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton,_Mississippi
http://www.publicschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/45153
The school apparently has about 130 students in the graduating class (due to being a small town and having a high attrition per grade). Given the Facebook photos that are circulating about the Prom and the “real” prom, I’d say that at least 40 or so students were “in” on it. In fact, given that Constance has been quoted about asking about it, it was widespread knowledge throughout the school that something fishy was going on here. You’d actually have to be a pretty bad teacher to not be aware of a conspiracy in your school this large (I came from a high school that graduated nearly 100% of the students and had a smaller graduating class, so my high school is even smaller than this.)
So let’s put the lower bound count at about 40 students, their parents (say 60 minimum) and all 35 teachers (ever been in a faculty room?) : or 135.
Do I honestly thing this sort of situation could be maintained in a small Central Pennsylvanian town or Californian? Possible but highly unlikely. Let’s remember that it was exactly a small Pennsylvanian town that voted out the entire school board that messed with evolution. And every Californian town has its share of liberal hippies.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-prop8prop22,0,6153805.htmlstory
In fact, no county had less than 24% vote for against Proposition 8. Meaning that even in rural California 1 in 4 secretly felt that they had a right to marry (much less attend a prom). Factor in the fact that lesbians are less ostracised and this is more akin to Proposition 28 than 8 and I’d bet a majority of Californians would be against this sort of action.
Your claim that 135 people could hold a conspiracy with not even a single defector does not pass the smell test.
Starfish
Not so fast, hippie. CORRECTION, April 29, 2010: Thanks to a watchful reader, the Jackson Free Press discovered today that reporter Adam Lynch originally misinterpreted Veronica Rodriguez’s phone call about her daughter’s yearbook. The above story originally reported that the yearbook contained no mention or photos of Sturgis or her accolades, but we confirmed from her mother today that she is pictured in sections other than the senior-portrait section. We have edited the above story to reflect this fact, and added the above bolded paragraph based on our conversation with Sturgis’ mother today. We have requested a copy of the yearbook, and will update this story further if needed once we receive it. We apologize for the errors and thank the reader who pointed out the mischaracterization. — Editor Donna Ladd
Barry
@kay: “If you were Mississippi, would you be actively chasing smart athletic people out of the state?”
They’re a threat to the maggots running the place.
Bulworth
I hope the school year book faithfully included a reference to Confederate History Month/year minus the slavery bit.
Felonious Wench
@Joseph Nobles:
I’m wondering why he needed to fly “Lucien” to Rome to “share the Gospel.” Twice.
I’m just sayin’.
Jbird
Nothing says ‘personal responsibility’ quite as loudly as picking on children through a state institution.
jayjaybear
All I know is that it would sure be nice to be able to afford to not only rent the services of such a nice young man, but fly him to Europe and put him up in hotels with me for a week.
The ex-gay scam must be pretty lucrative.
SectarianSofa
@JSD:
Well, I wonder what would happen if fatuous over-generalization in the service of unexamined tribalism was *uniformly* discredited….