Oh. Hey! Look Who Discovered the “T-Word”

The NY Times:

The torture of Iraqi detainees at a secret prison in Baghdad was far more systematic and brutal than initially reported, Human Rights Watch reported on Tuesday.

The Washington Post:

Adding to the political tension, Human Rights Watch released a report late Tuesday saying that members of a military unit under the command of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite, systemically tortured and sexually abused hundreds of Sunni Arab prisoners.

NPR:

Iraqi men held for months at a secret prison outside Baghdad were systematically tortured and forced to sign confession statements that in at least some cases they were forbidden to read, according to a new report by a human rights group released Wednesday.

When OTHER people do it, HRW is a legitimate, credible source, and it is not “allegations of torture” or “enhanced interrogation techniques.”

Funny, that. In a really sad way.

*** Update ***

We’ll see how much the Iraqi government has been paying attention they call this the work of a few bad apples doing some frat boy pranks and then publish the menu at the prison.

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27 replies
  1. 1
    jeffreyw says:

    Nothin personal, just bidness.

  2. 2
    KRK says:

    So disgustingly predictable.

  3. 3

    Mr. Maliki by turns denied, played down and distanced himself from the latest torture allegations. He described them as “lies” and “a smear campaign” hatched by foreign embassies and the media and then perpetuated by his political rivals.

    Well fuck me dead. The dude reads American right wing blogs. Who’d a thunk that.

  4. 4

    Aw, shoot, I was hoping for a thread on trannies. Sigh. Another thread on the Techniques Formerly Know as Enhancement Interrogation. That’s like so totally 2006.

  5. 5

    Iraq ain’t Kansas. On the other hand maybe it is.

  6. 6
    srv says:

    If it was good enough for Saddam, it’s good enough for our ally. Next up, gassin some Kurds.

  7. 7
    Dave C says:

    @The Grand Panjandrum:

    Aw, shoot, I was hoping for a thread on trannies. Sigh. Another thread on the Techniques Formerly Know as Enhancement Interrogation. That’s like so totally 2006.

    A Balloon Juice thread on trannies would be so fucking epic that it would make the hilarious Batman vs. Boba Fett derail from earlier today seem positively boring in comparison. I say bring it on!!

  8. 8
    matt says:

    I’m dyin for john’s post on the republicans backing down.

    3 days? Pussies.

    edit: I missed the derail but the goddamn batman would utterly annihilate boba fett.

  9. 9
    de stijl says:

    The interrogation technique that dare not speak its name.

  10. 10
    Midnight Marauder says:

    We’ll see how much the Iraqi government has been paying attention they call this the work of a few bad apples doing some frat boy pranks and then publish the menu at the prison.

    “America is the symbol of democracy, but then you have the abuses at Abu Ghraib,” Mr. Maliki said. “The American government took tough measures, and we are doing the same, so where is the problem and why this raucousness?”

    I would say they have been paying very acute attention to the way the game is played.

  11. 11
    HumboldtBlue says:

    Hell, I read a headline at Raw Story that claimed Iraqi leaders swear those guys tortured themselves to make the U.S. and their Iraqi lackeys look bad.

  12. 12
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Midnight Marauder:

    I would say they have been paying very acute attention to the way the game is played.

    You mean that the Iraqis are saying exactly what we DFH’s said that countries caught torturing people would say from now on (ie that the US doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to lecturing other countries about torture)?

    Well, knock me over with a feather. Hoocoodanode?

  13. 13
    Uli Kunkel says:

    Oh. Hey! Look Who Discovered the “T-Word”

    Usually I find the NYT Public Editor pretty reasonable, but the piece he did on the “T” word was hackery of the worst kind.

  14. 14
    The Moar You Know says:

    Lemon chicken on that menu, right? Hell, those boys are eatin’ better then the soldiers that they’re tryin’ to kill. An’ better than mah wife makes most nights, heh heh.

    Oh, what’s that you say? They were Iraqis pulling some fraternity prank…er, I meant torturing other Iraqis? This is a disgrace, and the people that perpetuated these atrocities must be made to answer! Their blood and tears cry out for vengeance!

    /neocon

  15. 15
    fucen tarmal says:

    i wonder if the next time the gop wants to impress some big donors they take them to a vital intelligence gathering and inhanced interrogation club.

  16. 16
    Richard S says:

    The NYT and NPR are nothing but a bunch of cowardly corporatists and that aint goin to improve. They know where their bread (pay checks) are buttered. Are you listening Hoyt? Torture is torture no matter who does it.

  17. 17
    Richard S says:

    I’ve got a lot of smart friends. I’ve asked them all the question that I’m about to ask of the Balloon-Juice crowd because over time I’ve grown to enjoy your company and respect your feedback.
    Can anyone tell me the difference between rape and torture? I don’t ask this lightly because I really believe that they are virtually the same and would like someone to prove me wrong so that the people in my life who have good words about torture can say they don’t like/condone rape.

  18. 18
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Richard S:

    In my view, rape is a subset of torture (especially when it’s used to terrorize a population during a war). Trying to figure out the difference is like trying to figure out the difference between your car and its engine.

    (Okay, that’s not a great metaphor, but I can’t think of any subsets right now, damn it.)

  19. 19
    Comrade Kevin says:

    @Richard S: As far as I am concerned, rape is a form of torture.

  20. 20
    Uli Kunkel says:

    @Richard S:

    Can anyone tell me the difference between rape and torture?

    See the torture statute definition of torture.

    A normal person would count rape as “severe physical or mental pain or suffering”. A John Yoo, on the other hand, would equivocate like the piece of shit he is.

  21. 21
    sukabi says:

    I saw an article today that said the Iraqi PM was claiming that their prisoners were torturing themselves

    sounds like they’ve taken lessons from our Republican party…

  22. 22
    Richard S says:

    Thank You! As I said this is a company/forum which I like and respect. I’ll be a little less shy to use the homologue since I’m no longer thinking it’s an analogue.

  23. 23
    quagmiremonkey says:

    Don’t forget Obama’s lessons for the Iraqis: “Look Forward”, “State Secrets” and “Military Courts”.

  24. 24

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  25. 25
    NameRequired says:

    @matt:

    Only if he’s prepared

  26. 26
    Bruce (formerly Steve S.) says:

    @Richard S:

    Can anyone tell me the difference between rape and torture?

    Whatever the dictionary says.

    I really believe that they are virtually the same and would like someone to prove me wrong

    Why would it be incumbent upon anyone to prove you wrong about something you believe? If you have reason to think that these two discreet concepts are in fact “virtually the same” then tell us what that reason is.

    so that the people in my life who have good words about torture can say they don’t like/condone rape.

    Words should mean what they mean, not shift meaning in order to help you win an argument.

  27. 27
    Eric says:

    Just wanted to let you know that the article is unreadable in IE6.

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