Steelers Open Thread

This time for reals, although I don’t even feel like it is game day. I sort of feel like this is a scrimmage or a pre-season game, because I honestly have no expectation that we might win. I guess this is what it is like to be a Browns fan.

In other news, memeorandum’s top story is a bunch of wingnuts who couldn’t tell you what a Pearson’s correlation is (or, for that matter, spell correlation) are claiming that the modeling done by some of the smartest people in the world is fake and a scandal. How do they come to that conclusion?

Because shut up, that’s why!






303 replies
  1. 1
    Ranger 3 says:

    Titans are going to pass the Steelers next week.

    I am loving all the Steelers fail being served up right now. Just in time for the holidays!

  2. 2
    Max says:

    Friggin’ Arizona just made it very hard for me to win the pool this week. I need the Patriots to win tomorrow night.

    As a Bills fan, it is very hard for me to cheer for the fucking Pats, but, hey, $150 is real money.

  3. 3
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    How do they come to that conclusion?

    As one of my former space cadet buds from the free love generation once and many time mused.

    It’s all relative Mon!

    And then there are the deleted files who weren’t gate.

    Did Climate Scientists Destroy Data? A: No.

    From Little Green Footballs man, no less. Peak Wingnut may not by achievable, but is taking the inside curves rather nicely, thank you very mucho.

    Boo Stealers

    Boo Ravens

    Go FSM!

  4. 4
    debit says:

    Ouch. “Bears have all 3 time outs but THANKFULLY aren’t using any.” If I was a Chicago fan, I’d pissed.

  5. 5
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    Stealers

    I take this back. Because it won’t matter anyways.

  6. 6
    gnomedad says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:
    Excellent find; thanks!

  7. 7
    dan robinson says:

    Correct answer to a wingnut SAT question:

    Gay marriage : marriage :: Broadway : ?

    a) Hollywood liberals
    b) Guns
    c) Flag burning
    d) Shut the fuck up.

    The correct answer is obviously d).

  8. 8
    Maude says:

    @General Winfield Stuck: BTW What’s the frequency Kenneth is from the time when Dan Rather was attacked in NYC. Rather stated that the person said that to him. It became a stupid saying. Nowhere as good as I was misinformed.
    FF on xp no edit.

  9. 9

    OT: I was totally unaware this was happening. But if you’re planning on spending $122 on two $8 toy hamsters, stop NOW, donate that money to your local food bank or animal shelter and buy your kid something else. OMG, people are so stupid.

    /rant

  10. 10
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Maude:

    Yes, I know, I googled it later. Didn’t follow up considering the source.

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    Brachiator says:

    In other news, memeorandum’s top story is a bunch of wingnuts who couldn’t tell you what a Pearson’s correlation is (or, for that matter, spell correlation) are claiming that the modeling done by some of the smartest people in the world is fake and a scandal. How do they come to that conclusion?

    Because shut up, that’s why!

    No, they come to that conclusion in part because of sloppy science reporting by what are supposed to be the newspapers of record.

    I presume that, Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor of the Times of London either understands a Pearson’s correlation, or has access to people who do.

    And the arrogance of some of the climate scientists involved hasn’t helped their case.

    In one [email], Jones boasted of using statistical “tricks” to obliterate apparent declines in global temperature. In another he advocated deleting data rather than handing them to climate sceptics. And in a third he proposed organised boycotts of journals that had the temerity to publish papers that undermined the message.

    This is the kind of behavior that you would expect of the Patriots’ head coach, not sober-minded scientists.

  12. 12
    Mark S. says:

    “Climategate”

    Please make it stop. I will do anything.

  13. 13

    In other sports related news, Paul Campos at L,G & $ is really mad at Tiger Woods. Because he’s famous and his wife may have whacked him with a 9 iron and his dad’s a loony. Or somethin’.

    Go Colts! Also.

  14. 14
    Maude says:

    @General Winfield Stuck: And the fact that it made no sense when he used it.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Brachiator: You have a problem with things like the fourier trick?

  16. 16
    dr. bloor says:

    @Brachiator:

    This is the kind of behavior that you would expect of the Patriots’ head coach, not sober-minded scientists.

    I had no idea Joey Porter posted here.

    If you think scientists working on original research are a bunch of “sober-minded,” egoless lords and ladies, you clearly haven’t met many of them.

    Also.

  17. 17
    Andre says:

    @Brachiator:

    This is the kind of behavior that you would expect of the Patriots’ head coach, not sober-minded scientists.

    To be fair, the emails were heavily chopped up, so I’m not so sure I’d be drawing too many conclusions just yet. In addition, it’s entirely reasonable for a climate scientist to talk about organising boycotts of global warming denialist publications.

    Anyway, as RealClimate.org has demonstrated, there is a huge amount of freely available raw data. The problem isn’t that, it’s how the data is misinterpreted and misused to imply that global warming isn’t occurring when it so obviously is.

  18. 18
    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @General Winfield Stuck: OMG! I went to LGF and learned something. He has come over to the dark side.

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    gnomedad says:

    @Brachiator:

    And the arrogance of some of the climate scientists involved hasn’t helped their case.

    There are a lot of climate scientists. Some of them are arrogant. BFD. That’s why science has peer review and competition. If you intercept a thousand random emails, you’re basically eavesdropping on locker room chatter. If we insist on pristine private conduct by individuals as the standard, we’re in trouble. It’s about the science, not the scientists.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @Bad Horse’s Filly:

    Saw a story somewhere the other day that those stupid hamsters are the “hot” toy for this year. My kids will not be getting them. Frickin’ idiots buyin this stuff.

  21. 21
    Napoleon says:

    @Maude:

    And here I thought it was just a song by REM ;)

  22. 22
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    BTW, don’t watch Frontline’s The Card Game if you don’t want your blood to boil. (old news, I know)

  23. 23

    Brachiator:

    http://mediamatters.org/research/200911250005
    http://mediamatters.org/blog/200911290004
    http://mediamatters.org/research/200911250020

    In other news, I had no idea that Mansquito — whose every comment posted here that I saw read as if typed by a straight-up knuckledragging wingnut misogynist — has been hanging out at a PUMA site talking about what a feminist he is.

  24. 24
    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    @gnomedad: That’s why science has peer review and competition. If you intercept a thousand random emails, you’re basically eavesdropping on locker room chatter.

    This.

    These wingnuts! Republican legislator caught diaper-pooing with whores = OK; scientists saying they’re using “tricks” (in a sense that doesn’t mean what the wingnuts say it does) = satan.

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    Scott de B. says:

    In one [email], Jones boasted of using statistical “tricks” to obliterate apparent declines in global temperature. In another he advocated deleting data rather than handing them to climate sceptics. And in a third he proposed organised boycotts of journals that had the temerity to publish papers that undermined the message.

    Jones did not ‘boast of using statistical “tricks” (with scare quotes, no less!) to obliterate apparent declines in global temperature’. Since there have been no apparent declines in global temperature, any tricks would be unnecessary in any case. What was referred to in the email is that tree ring proxy data have diverged from instrumental records (i.e., the actual temperatures) over the past 40 years, and so Jones added in the actual temperatures to show the divergence.

  26. 26
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    Okay, it’s happened AGAIN.

    I’m all set to buy something at Amazon, but there is no clickable link at this page. I can only click on the products John has “endorsed,” and that takes me to his “associate’s store” where I can’t buy anything but furminators, etc.

    Arrgggh. Suggestions?

  27. 27
    J.W. Hamner says:

    That’s some pretty heinous reverse jinxing going on in the title post. For shame! As a Ravens’ fan, I’m a little disappointed my team won’t face the Steelers’ best… but as someone getting into the study of traumatic brain injury, I’m really glad Big Ben is sitting out.

  28. 28
    mr. whipple says:

    I guess this is what it is like to be a Browns fan.

    Um, no. Unless you have no hope of ever winning again. Forever.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I’ve come to love the Tony Dungy Era of broadcast analysis. He’s a little too light on someone, or at least overly polite when criticizing, but then Harrison comes bringin’ tha smack down.
    Good balance and knowledge, IMO.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Zuzu’s Petals:
    The Amazon link shows up for me just a few items below the big “your ad here” on the left hand side.

  31. 31
    Max says:

    For those that are football’d out, HBO is showing the 25th Anniv Rock n Roll Hall of Fame concert.

    It’s 4 hours of fucking awesome music.

    It’s only 10 minutes in and I’m rocking to Crosby Stills and Nash. David Crosby looks and sounds very healthy.

    HBO will be rerunning it often. Catch it if you’re into that kind of thing.

  32. 32
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @WaterGirl:

    This is so weird. It JUST showed up.

  33. 33
    4tehlulz says:

    And with this, the difference in method between climate change denial and Holocaust denial has dwindled to zero.

  34. 34

    @Scott de B.: Oh, you scientists and your “facts.” Next you’ll tell us some sort of mold can kill the invisible demons that make us sick.

  35. 35
    WaterGirl says:

    @Zuzu’s Petals:
    Click it while you can! Maybe bookmark it for future reference?

  36. 36
    Corner Stone says:

    @Max:

    As a Bills fan, it is very hard for me to cheer for the fucking Pats, but, hey, $150 is real money.

    Damn this busted GWB economy! Damn it to hell for what it’s forced you into!

  37. 37
    charles johnson says:

    Don’t spend too much time arguing with tards about this. Just like their twin brothers the creationists, the global warming deniers will repeat their new claim “ZOMG the emails show it’s a fraud!!!!” Every day from now until the day they die. You can refute it every day, it won’t stop them.

  38. 38
    Dream On says:

    Has it really been a whole week without a Mac vs. Windows Operating System war!?!

  39. 39
    charles johnson says:

    “And with this, the difference in method between climate change denial and Holocaust denial has dwindled to zero.”

    Evolution Denial, Global Warming Denial, Holocaust Denial, Vaccine Efficacy Denial…

    They’re all based on the same tard template, you just switch out some of the nouns.

  40. 40
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    Related to my previous comment regarding The Card Game, I cannot believe the lobbyists for the Financial Services Roundtable can lie like so with a straight face and sleep at night. They have no souls.

  41. 41
    You Don't Say says:

    @Corner Stone: I just said to my husband that Dungy’s knowledge more than makes up for his on-camera awkwardness. And he’s getting less awkward every time, or I’m getting used to him.

  42. 42
    Brachiator says:

    @dr. bloor:

    If you think scientists working on original research are a bunch of “sober-minded,” egoless lords and ladies, you clearly haven’t met many of them.

    Yeah, except for the guys I’ve met at Cal Tech, MIT and a few other places, no, I haven’t met too many of them. I was making a bit of a joke to connect the climate change stuff to football.

    To be fair, the emails were heavily chopped up, so I’m not so sure I’d be drawing too many conclusions just yet.

    I don’t know that the emails were heavily chopped up. And the scientists involved, some of whom have been asked to resign by other climate scientists, have not denied any of the emails or some of the more serious charges that they were cooking the presentation of some of the data to pretty it up (which is not the same thing as saying that they were faking the original data).

    There are also problems caused by the fact that a weatherman at the BBC had copies of the emails for months and just ignored them.

    In addition, it’s entirely reasonable for a climate scientist to talk about organising boycotts of global warming denialist publications.

    I don’t agree. But also part of the issue here are claims that some of the scientists wanted to boycott publications which published articles by global warming skeptics, which is not the same thing as boycotting denialist publications.

    You have a problem with things like the fourier trick?

    Are we talking about Tiger Woods again?

    gnomedad — There are a lot of climate scientists. Some of them are arrogant. BFD. That’s why science has peer review and competition. If you intercept a thousand random emails, you’re basically eavesdropping on locker room chatter. If we insist on pristine private conduct by individuals as the standard, we’re in trouble. It’s about the science, not the scientists.

    Live by the InterTubes, die by the InterTubes. It’s not about the private conduct of scientists, it’s about charges that scientists were deliberately falsifying aspects of their research, stifling dissent and clumsily organizing their own kinds of smear campaigns.

    I don’t think this stuff is a huge deal in the long run to the science of global warming; but it is an unnecessary distraction, and has energized all kinds of opposition to even the idea of global warming. And here it may have a significant impact on the political and economic decisions that will be made in the coming months.

  43. 43
    Nutella says:

    Wingnuts on vacation: Extra-large SUV in a western national park with wingnut decorations all over the back half. On one side, cartoon Obama saying “Together we can destroy capitalism” and logos of liberal media outlets (CNN, NBC, etc.) replying “Yes, we can!”. On back of SUV, “The clowns in DC are bankrupting us with socialism policies…” [something I missed] and “www.freedomworks.org”. See photo of right side here.

    I didn’t see what was on the left side of the SUV, but perhaps it was the up-to-date Freedom Works motto:

    Losing safe Republican seats,
    One district at a time!

  44. 44
    Corner Stone says:

    @You Don’t Say: I think he’s spot on, if a little too timid (awkward) to bring what he’s really trying to say.
    I blame that on him being a very young man and looking forward to coaching again one day. Can’t alienate any potential employer.
    It’s also one of the things I dislike about Gruden and his whole, “That guys just the best at that! And I love his attitude!” schtick.
    Can’t really blame either of them but I just think Dungy is worlds better. But with Harrison there to actually criticize people? Just no comparison. I love watching Rodney bring it after Tony softshoes one.

  45. 45
    Annie says:

    @Dream On:

    Gee, it is a good thing that the Cheney-Bush administration never played fast and loose with data. They did not have to worry about Pearson’s correlation. Understanding science is just losers. Who needs science anyway, when we can invade a country based on whatever we want to base it on, and sound smart, strong, and patriotic doing it…

  46. 46
    Corner Stone says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    They have no souls.

    I believe they did at one time but my understanding is they sold them in exchange for homemade cinammon rolls.
    And if my mom doesn’t make some for Xmas I’ma probably try to barter for them too.

  47. 47
    Corner Stone says:

    @Dream On: Hear you. I’ve actually been wondering where the next, “Let Texas secede!!” post is. Feeling a little lost without it.

  48. 48
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    I guess this is what it is like to be a Browns fan.

    You have no idea. Just imagine Leonardo Decaprio and Kate Winslet clinging to the bow railing, looking down.

  49. 49
    Max says:

    @Max: Okay, its 30 minutes into this concert and you people are fools if you miss it.

    Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne and James Taylor sang with CSN and now it’s Stevie Wonder time.

    Boogie.

  50. 50
    burnspbesq says:

    @Dream On:

    Has it really been a whole week without a Mac vs. Windows Operating System war

    Week’s not over yet. Don’t jinx it.

  51. 51
    valdivia says:

    I am missing both the football (sorry not my thing) and the rock concert on hbo (don’t have it here at home). But–I just saw Hamlet on Broadway with Jude Law. He is surprisingly excellent, probably the best Hamlet I have ever seen. Who knew Law was a real actor?

  52. 52
    You Don't Say says:

    I just realized I’ve seen Dixon play. Saw an Oregon ASU game in Oregon. A friend’s son played for ASU. He now plays for the Broncos. Ducks beat the Sun Devils.

  53. 53
    Zach says:

    Looks like you all might be in trouble. It appears that the Ravens have miraculously realized that passes other than screens were working quite well until they inexplicably stopped throwing them several weeks ago.

  54. 54
    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    We all know that global warming is just a conspiracy by long-haired patchouli-eating tree-huggers.

    AP: Ski Resort Owners Lobbying Senators to Fight Global Warming

    NYT: Pentagon, CIA Call Global Warming a Threat to American Security

  55. 55
    Corner Stone says:

    I’m proposing a new NFL rule:
    If at any time in the first half a receiver catches a pass for the first down (but not a score) and celebrates, mugs for airtime, makes the arm point in the “First Down” direction, he gets fined like $50,000.
    The team doesn’t get a penalty, but the player gets the fine and the monies go to the NFL’s official charity, or something.

    If it’s 3:00 minutes to go before the end of game, I get a little mugging. That’s cool.
    But in the first half? The game will not be decided on your one 8 yard catch and tackle at the 38 in the 1st quarter.

  56. 56
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    This time for reals, although I don’t even feel like it is game day. I sort of feel like this is a scrimmage or a pre-season game, because I honestly have no expectation that we might win.

    Only one of us will be happy about the outcome but both of us will be happy when it’s over.

  57. 57
    Annie says:

    @Notorious P.A.T.:

    If wingnuts could make money from climate change, they would become the most ardent believers. So far, they are still making money — lots of money — from corporate and other interests to stay deniers…If business owners, defense, and other interests unite behind climate change issues, we would see a reversal in beliefs and commitments.

  58. 58
    J.W. Hamner says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I hear you Corner Stone, but Kelley Washington has been doing that shit for years… the only reason you don’t know about it is because he basically sucks (except when compared to other Ravens receivers).

    Personally I don’t care for Washington’s antics, but at the same time the NFL has definitely gone too far with penalizing that kind of thing, so I’d rather not see flags just because a guy is a douchebag.

  59. 59
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @kommrade reproductive vigor: Anyone asked President Obama about Tiger Woods yet? I’m thinking we may need a beer summit with Obama, Tiger and the crazy bitch.

  60. 60
    Morbo says:

    Need to close a 40 point gap here, so let’s see a couple pick 6es, eh, Baltimore? No, the Ravens aren’t all I have left; I would give up all hope if that were the case. I need a shootout tomorrow night, too.

  61. 61
    Corner Stone says:

    @Zach:

    realized that passes other than screens were working quite well until they inexplicably stopped throwing them

    One would typically use a screen in combo with an effective run game, or against a defense that’s in overpursuit mode.
    The latter is not a problem when playing against the Stillers so they’ve opened up the playbook a bit.
    Ray (Jerry) Rice!

  62. 62
    Zach says:

    @Brachiator:

    This is the kind of behavior that you would expect of the Patriots’ head coach, not sober-minded scientists.

    I suggest you read the last couple weeks’ updates at RealClimate.org before you take Leake at his word.

  63. 63
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    , Tiger and the crazy bitch.

    Attica! Attica! Attica!!

  64. 64
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Max: Gotta watch the game but I’m dvring the concert. What I saw before the game started was great.

  65. 65
    Zach says:

    @Corner Stone: Kelly Washington always does that when he gets a first down. I think there’s an unofficial understanding that every team gets one clown (cf Ocho Cinco) who gets to do silly things after plays that aren’t particularly notable. As long as you aren’t taunting or doing anything coordinated with another teammate there’s nothing stopping you now.

    God damn Dixon’s fast. Between that and the two passes he’s completed in his NFL career I’m convinced he’d be an upgrade for a number of teams.

  66. 66
    Corner Stone says:

    @J.W. Hamner: Yep. That’s why I’m saying the official scrivener makes note of it in his/her little book, the game goes on as intended, and the big honkin’ bill gets dropped at team HQ on Tuesday.

    Just a pipe dream, we all know, but I’ve been sick of seeing this little dip and dunk catches showing up on highlight reels for some damn reason.
    At least in basketball the wicked dunk is pretty damn cool.

  67. 67
    Max says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Stevie Wonder and Sting singing “Higher Ground” on now.

    Boogie down.

  68. 68
    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I like your rule, but I propose a corollary: if your team is 5-5 the fine is doubled.

  69. 69
    Annie says:

    This is really an odd thread. I am trying to keep up and am completely confused…

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    JK says:

    @Brachiator:

    This is the kind of behavior that you would expect of the Patriots’ head coach

    Watching Bill Belichick on tv, I’m reminded of Richie Aprile from The Sopranos because they both exude an air of unparalleled dickishness. Whenever the Patriots lose a game, Belichick’s handshake with the opposing coach lasts about a billionth of a nanosecond.

  71. 71
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Annie:

    I am trying to keep up and am completely confused…

    This means you likely know whats going on. But don’t know it.

  72. 72
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @Annie:

    This is really an odd thread.

    As opposed to most BJ threads?

  73. 73
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    Also, big props to NBC for streaming the Sunday Night NFL games this season.

  74. 74
    Comrade Jake says:

    @Brachiator:

    Please read this explanation over at RealClimate, which puts the emails into context, before commencing further hysterics, if you please. Thanks.

  75. 75
    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    @Zach:

    Dixon has talent, no doubt about it. What gets me is that what I heard of the pregame show, most of the discussion was about his inexperience and how it will hurt Pittsburgh. Then once the game starts, Collinsworth casually mentions in passing that Joe Flacco is playing like s**t.

  76. 76
    JK says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Attica! Attica! Attica!!

    Al Pacino for the win.

  77. 77
    Annie says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Thanks. For a minute I thought it was the wine…

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    Corner Stone says:

    Nasty.

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    asiangrrlMN says:

    Shit. Kid can play!

    Eddie Guns. Mmmmmmm…..

  80. 80
    Comrade Jake says:

    Steelers might be OK.

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    Svensker says:

    Wow, this kid is Dixon is awright. What happened to Kellen Clemons?

  82. 82
    disappointedGOPer says:

    Ben who?

  83. 83
    prop says:

    The rookie throws his first TD!!

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    Brachiator says:

    @Phoenix Woman:

    I appreciate the various links, even though I don’t need them. The problem, as I noted, is that much of the news media of record (The Times of London, for example) got aspects of the story wrong — not wingnuts — and this has led to a feeding frenzy among denialists.

    The other problem is that some of the scientists involved have added to the problem by some of their attitude and actions, to such a degree that even other reputable climate scientists have called for their resignation.

    The damage caused is neither permanent, nor beyond repair. But it is real. And it is not just a matter of ignorant wingnuts reinforcing their stupidity. Over the Thanksgiving holidays, I ran across a number talk radio stations playing up the “false data,” and only two reports, both on NPR, giving a more full perspective.

    Comrade Jake -Please read this explanation over at RealClimate, which puts the emails into context, before commencing further hysterics, if you please. Thanks.

    Thank you for missing the point.

    Zach – I suggest you read the last couple weeks’ updates at RealClimate.org before you take Leake at his word.

    I never said that I took Leake at his word, or suggested that anyone else do so. Again, as I noted (and let me write this s-l-o-w-l-y): if the major news organizations and newspapers of record don’t get the story right, it is harder for the truth to ever catch up to the lies.

    Far more people who know about the slapdown that the authors of Freakonomics received about their climate change ignorance because they read about it in The New Yorker than read the original open letter posted in RealClimate.org.

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    JK says:

    @Annie:

    This is really an odd thread. I am trying to keep up and am completely confused…

    If I saw a handful of comments posted here in several non-Roman alphabets, I might be inclined to agree with you.

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    valdivia says:

    @Annie:

    The football talk is like Chinese to me so maybe I feel like you feel? But I like hanging out at BJ so I am clueless here but enjoying it.

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    prop says:

    Trade Ben

  88. 88
    Corner Stone says:

    @JK: BTW – Red Lobster used to be a really good upper-middle class chain, along with say, Steak and Ale.
    Both went way down the ladder. S and A is out of business I think and the only thing saving Red Lobster is their garlic-cheese biscuits. Holy balls they are good. Their fried seafood is mediocre but priced right. So, if you want to take the family out for something better than Long John Silver but not break the bank, RL is your place.
    And I’ve never seen the TV adaptations w/ Alec Guiness but I’m a big AG fan. They were just before my time and I find most things done in that format and technology get extremely dated, extremely fast.

  89. 89
    Corner Stone says:

    @disappointedGOPer: QB controversy!!

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    asiangrrlMN says:

    @Corner Stone: Yeah, what the hell happened to them? Last time I went (with my moms), I was disappointed in the food.

  91. 91
    Eric U. says:

    I had heard the denialists were using FOI(A) requests to harass scientists. One thing the stolen email “controversy” proves is that there is no lie too low for the denialists to stoop to.

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    cokane says:

    DOWN WITH PITTSBURG

  93. 93
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Svensker:

    that’s nothin’. The Browns scored a touchdown today. Now that is news.

  94. 94
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @prop: @General Winfield Stuck:

    Should have been to prop. Not Svensker.

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    Molly says:

    Sven – Kellen Clemens plays for the Jets.

    We love Dennis Dixon!! He did great things for us at Oregon.

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    Max says:

    I have to admit that it is surprising to me, after the amount of drugs that David Crosby has done, that his voice is as strong as it is.

    He and Nash are singing “Here Comes the Sun” with Paul Simon.

    Paul’s voice is strong too.

    They must be doing green drink IV’s backstage.

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    Comrade Jake says:

    @Brachiator:

    You took a shoddy summary of the emails, here, to conclude that the climate scientists had been arrogant.

    I’m not the one who’s missed the point.

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    The Other Steve says:

    The reporting I’ve seen on the CRU emails indicate that some of them discuss destroying information.

    I’m sure much of the emails can be explained in context, and distorted out of context, but this really appears to be a fairly big deal and I suspect will end the careers of the scientists involved.

    We’ll see after a formal inquiry is done.

    We’ll see. I know how academia works. I know researchers jealousy guard their information and refuse to release it to others until they’ve had their own papers published. Maybe this is just those egos at play.

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    JK says:

    @Brachiator:

    Earlier today on This Week, Paul Krugman made the point that several of the scientists communicated with each other in a kind of casual fashion that easily gets misinterpreted or misunderstood when viewed out of context.

    Given the scientific illiteracy of the MSM, this story will be twisted, mangled, and butchered a million different ways beyond recognition by neanderthals like Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Wolf Blitzer, and Anderson Cooper.

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    Annie says:

    @valdivia:

    I agree with you, although I do have a limited knowledge of football talk. I grew up in Pittsburgh, and we never could have graduated from high school without passing “Steelers 101.” It was the great equalizer, crossing all socio-economic, racial, and religious barriers…

    I even have a terrible towel, proudly given to me by my father and brother, as if that was the birthday gift I always wanted, but was too shy to ask for…

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    Corner Stone says:

    @asiangrrlMN: Which one, RL or SnA?
    I suspect the answer is the same in both cases. Price pressures combined with a retreating demographic.
    They started using lower quality product to satisfy operating margins, pushed their clientele away, started taking less care of the physical property – (in Steak n Ale’s case the salad bar would be left in disarray, not presentable, etc. and each table got one loaf of their black bread).
    In RL’s case, the rise of Joe’s Crab Shack (Landry’s chain then sold to JH Whitney) probably played as much of a part as overexpansion during a couple tight spending timeframes.
    When the crunch comes down on a family budget they don’t think how they can skimp in order to afford fried shrimp.
    I could offer a more detailed analysis but…umm…football.

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    South of I-10 says:

    @Max: I am watching it too. Just started it on the DVR.

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    Zach says:

    @Brachiator: Ah, sorry. Managed to skip the first sentence of your post. What’s funny is that this is exactly the problem that came up two months ago with the slew of articles pointing out that, omg, it’s cooler than 1998. Taking the time to formulate a response that explains what’s actually going on has the effect of giving the criticism credibility. Same dilemma happened w/ Kerry’s swiftboatgate stuff.

    I think the best response is to counter “no warming since someone graduating high school was in first grade!” with similar anecdotal formulations of the problem. Gore’s “snows of Kilamajaro” remarks are going in the right direction. Also, “5 of the 10 warmest years on record in this decade,” “hottest decade in hundreds of years ,” “most CO2 in the atmosphere since man discovered fire” etc. Climate change “skeptics” are going to accuse you of lying no matter how honest and rigorous you are. There’s too much effort right now being expended trying to make statements about climate change unimpeachable and it winds up as overqualified nonsense.

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    Really NBC? Phil Collins? Steelers v. Ravens and we get Phil Collins?

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @JK:

    That’s OKay. when congress gets a hold of it, the likes of Rep Peter King, Senator Inhoffe, and the crazy eyed black haired patriot lady will straighten the shit out.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Max:

    Paul’s voice is strong too.

    Totally OT to what you’re discussing, but along this vein –
    I watched a youtube of sheryl crow and stevie nicks doing “are you strong enough” the other day.
    I like SC, and as much as Stevie downplays some parts, she just blows SC away through the whole damn song.

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    Damned at Random says:

    That’s my little Duck.

    We yell Quack, quack whenever he completes a pass.

    I told you all this morning he had a cool head.

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    asiangrrlMN says:

    @Corner Stone: Sorry, Red Lobster. It used to be good when I was a kid. Now, not so much. I think you’re right, though, about demand and quality and economic pressures. Whatever, I was disappointed.

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    paradox says:

    6-4, 235 lbs.

    So glad I didn’t get just get tackled by that.

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    valdivia says:

    @Annie:

    see I speak soccer, down south, in the other half of the hemisphere soccer is our great equalizer. I can get crazy over it, and scream at my tv and get depressed over it. I learned baseball and get some football but not enough to decode what goes on here. but hey it’s all fun to me!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Annie: Pony?
    Little Pony?

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    Comrade Jake says:

    @Zach:

    Right. I’m sure that now we’ve uncovered the global warming hoax, the Greenland ice sheet will shortly begin refreezing itself.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @paradox:

    When I played halfback in HS, when confronted with tubs of goo, I just kicked their shins and ran like a scalded dog.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @asiangrrlMN: Order something, get the salad with their french dressing, dip the biscuits in there and let the waves of ultimate goodness wash over you.

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    paradox says:

    sorry, 345 lbs.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    are they showing the Yahoo! commercials on TV too? Because they suck on the Internet.

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    asiangrrlMN says:

    @valdivia:
    @Annie:

    Well, to be fair to you guys, we’re all watching the same game and commenting, so we’re not really explaining what’s going on. It would be hard to follow.

    Corner Stone, I don’t think I would go again. We have a local place called Alaskan Anchorage, and it’s really good. At least, it was….

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    Corner Stone says:

    Looks like Dennis (Bruce) Dixon is locking onto Santonio Holmes as the fav receiver a little early.

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    valdivia says:

    @asiangrrlMN:

    thanks for clearing that up :-)
    still I love reading even if I am not watching and don’t get half of what is happening. You guys are just that good company.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @paradox: You are *not* fooling anyone.

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    Andy K says:

    Re: Lakewood, WA Police Murders

    From the Arkansas Times:

    Washington autthorities are seeking Maurice Clemmons, 37, for questioning in the slaying of four Washington police officers. Clemmons is wanted in Arkansas, where he has an extensive criminal record, according to unnamed sources in early reports. Clemmons also is mentioned in this report.

    My source says the man wanted for questioning is believed to be the same Maurice Clemmons as an Arkansas ex-con with an extensive record of armed robbery who became a subject of some controversy for political reasons. That Maurice Clemmons was among those who became controversial for having received a commuted sentence from then-Gov. Mike Huckabee in 2000 (of a 35-year armed robbery sentence), then went on to commit other crimes. This has the potential of making Wayne Dumond look like a small-timer

    Huckabee is praying right now.

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    This game just sucks in every way as a Ravens fan… I can’t feel good if they make a nice play, since no Big Ben and no Polamalu… and if they do something bad then they must be a terrible team because… no Big Ben and no Polamalu. Sigh.

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    Keith G says:

    Just home from work. My weekend begins.

    Dang John, you seen rather morose for just a game. Buck up. All in all, things seem to be going rather well for you and from what i can see, the game aint bad either.

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    JK says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I’ve never dined at Red Lobster. I wish I could place an order for a lobster the way I can place an order for a pizza.

    I’m a big AG [Alec Guinness] fan.

    Put me down as a huge Alec Guinness fan as well. Last night, people were commenting on the great career of Humphrey Bogart of whom I’m also a huge fan. For me, Guinness produced an equally incredible run of amazing performances. I could watch any one of these Guinness movies right now from start to finish:

    Great Expectations, Oliver Twist, Kind Hearts and Coronets, A Run for Your Money, Last Holiday, The Lavender Hill Mob, The Ladykillers, The Man in the White Suit, The Captain’s Paradise, The Bridge on the River Kwai, Lawrence of Arabia, and The Horse’s Mouth

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    Testing google. testing edit

    Chrome edit is working, no problemo Houston.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @Andy K:

    Man, that writer needs an edit function. Every sentence after the first two requires reading more than once to understand it.

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    Max says:

    @Andy K: If true, he’s done for. There is no way he survives a GOP primary. See Horton, Willie.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Losing safe Republican seats,
    One district at a time!

    Recently read about a retired USAF colonel who’s seeking to oust Rep. Henry Brown (R-South Crackerstan), the elderly neo-Confederate nutjob who’s among those trying to keep Obama from shutting down the Gitmo dungeon. I’ll shoot him a few bucks…

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Andy K:

    Huckabee is praying right now.

    He’s praying for a sniper and/or a protracted standoff where the police officers *have* to shoot to save their own lives.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    This has the potential of making Wayne Dumond look like a small-timer

    Not to mention Willie Horton.

    edit- drat Max beat me.

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    Andy K says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Well, it is a blog post. The writer is probably accustomed to having a human editor to give his stories clarity.

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    Z says:

    On the CRU email front, Andrew Sullivan’s real-time reaction tonight to how idiotic it was to call for people to resign without knowing a thing about it himself is very entertaining.

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    Andy K says:

    @Max:

    Logically, that would be probable. But you can never be sure of the depths of Republican hypocrisy, can ya?

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    This is turning into a good game.

    Derrick Mason! I watched him in college and he’s still going strong.

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    mcd410x says:

    via TPM … Man sought for murder of 4 cops in Wash state was pardoned by Mike Huckabee in Ark in 2000

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    mcd410x says:

    oops, someone beat me to it. no surprise there!

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    Annie says:

    @valdivia:

    I so understand. In every country I have worked in, I have been the lone football fan and have constantly been reminded that soccer IS football. I have watched friends screaming at the TV, all the while screaming myself to pretend that I actually understood what was going on!

    @Corner Stone:

    Is this a test?

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Andy K:

    But you can never be sure of the depths of Republican hypocrisy, can ya?

    Sheer profundity my man. Sheer profundity!

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    disappointedGOPer says:

    If that TPM story is true, Huckabee will never survive the primaries. Sarah Palin will “deathpaneldeathpanel” that into his brainpan.

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    Andy K says:

    @Notorious P.A.T.:

    Mason was a great player for the Spartans. They had quite a run of WRs from the mid ’80s through the early ’90s.

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    I have to say I like the “DVR” qualities of the NBC online feed… I missed the Ravens last touchdown throw, but NBC handily marks the time on the bar of all the big plays, so I could just click on it, watch it, and then go back to live. Nice.

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    Z says:

    @mcd410x: You realize that if Huckabee gets the nomination Obama will be obligated to release a shot-for-shot remake of Willie Horton.

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    Why did Huckabee pardon Clemons again?

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Notorious P.A.T.:

    Why did Huckabee pardon Clemons again?

    Cause Baby Jeebus told him to. Which is perfectly acceptable, unlike libtard bleeding heartism.

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    valdivia says:

    Wait, if Hucakbee sinks because of this doesn’t it help Sarahcuda????

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    Wait, I confused Clemons with the other guy.

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    Max says:

    Hall of Fame Concert surreal moment…

    Just went from Aretha and Annie Lennox singing “Chain of Fools” directly into Metallica rocking out “For Whom The Bell Tolls”.

    Rock N Roll!

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @J.W. Hamner:

    Yeah, but the Subway “halftime show” instead of the NBC version is teh suck.

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    JK says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    That’s OKay. when congress gets a hold of it, the likes of Rep Peter King, Senator Inhoffe, and the crazy eyed black haired patriot lady will straighten the shit out.

    How can you tune into cable news or listen to an open phone segment on C-SPAN and reach any other conclusion than the one that this country is totally fucked up beyond repair. The Palinte Bachmann Turner Overdive primordial ooze of stupidity is ever expanding like that amorphous creature in The Blob with Steve McQueen.

    If the Democrats get their asses kicked in the midterm elections, Chris “Motor Mouth” Matthews, Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper, and all the knuckledraggers at Fox News will be shouting game over for Obama.

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    Andy K says:

    @Z:

    What, you don’t think Willard or the Princess of the Snow Prom would use it first were they in dire primary straits?

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @valdivia:

    Wait, if Hucakbee sinks because of this doesn’t it help Sarahcuda????

    Yes, because Huckabee actually served his terms in office.

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    Z says:

    @Notorious P.A.T.: Because he was sentenced to jail for the rest of his life (basically) at 18 for crimes that didn’t involve killing people. He did accidentally clock his mom with a lock in court once, though… probably good indication that rehabilitation would be difficult.

    I think the sad thing here vis a vis criminal justice is that this guy has clearly needed psychiatric help for many years and either hasn’t gotten any or hasn’t gotten nearly enough. It appears there was cause to institutionalize him many times over… but in our law-and-order society we frown on giving sick people help and instead put them in jail with people who can actually be helped.

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    @arguingwithsignposts: Wow, yeah this is bad… it’s a twenty minute terrible commercial. And you can’t even go back and watch any of the game. At least they put away their super sized plastic Subway drink cups.

    EDIT: Whoops, nope… the cups are back.

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    Max says:

    @valdivia: Princess Sarah will never be the GOP nominee. She couldn’t make it thru the primary.

    Hell, she quit in the middle of the Turkey Trot this weekend.

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    Annie says:

    Just got this from a wingnut comment section. I hope this is a joke

    “And help to the hungry SHOULD come from charities of all kinds, including churches. Or state or local governments, NOT the feds, whose powers are limited for a reason.

    And yes, there should be a HUGE stigma–or at least great gratitude on the part of the recipients. Every recipient over the age of 8 should be required to write a monthly thank you note to a tax paying citizen.

    “Obama-stash” people should not be allowed to receive ANYTHING without first taking a class teaching where the money came from and how hard the people had to work for their money, only to have it be confiscated by goverment and given to the ungrateful.”

    Please tell me this is a joke…

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    valdivia says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    I was just looking forward to those two fighting it out in the primary and splitting the wingnut vote

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    Max says:

    Okay, they are doing something to improve or beef up the vocals on this HBO concert, even Ozzy sounds amazing and there is no way that the Iron Man still has his voice.

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    valdivia says:

    @Max:

    I saw that! how crazy is that? quitting a race? and she also said cooking a turkey was too much work!

    but see my post above, Huckabee and her fighting it out would have been the fight of the century.

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    Wow, that Wayne Dumond matter was a real cesspool.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Dumond

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    <blockquoteWait, if Hucakbee sinks because of this doesn’t it help Sarahcuda????

    Through the Looking-Glass, and What Sarah Serendipity saw.

    She saw rogueness and had to fight the Red Queen and Blackety Black Unicorn to save the realm. Tweedledee and Tweedledum don’t stand a chance and mere quittage is only the end of the beginning for her to reign supreme on the giant chessboard with fields for squares. And for mo money.

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    asiangrrlMN says:

    @Annie: Man. That really harshed my low.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Annie:

    I even have a terrible towel, proudly given to me by my father and brother, as if that was the birthday gift I always wanted, but was too shy to ask for…

    Sorry. I went for the low rent “Little Pony” joke for a female birthday present.
    I was guessing you would’ve preferred a real pony, or even the toy “Little Pony” more than the terrible towel.

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    @Z:

    He does, indeed, sound like a deeply deranged person.

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    Max says:

    @valdivia: Yeah, they would have really tried to out-God each other.

    The 2012 GOP primary is still going to be pure entertainment to watch.

    Thank the FSM we don’t have to deal with a primary. Contrary to what all the PUMA’s and the FDL’s, Open Left, Talk Left, My DD, etc. think.

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    valdivia says:

    @Max: LOL out-god each other. exactly!

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    burnspbesq says:

    @JK:

    Don’t forget Guinness’ work as George Smiley in British TV’s adaptations of LeCarre. Brilliant stuff.

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    JK says:

    @Max:

    Princess Sarah will never be the GOP nominee

    Sarah Mooseburger Palin is too stupid to know how to pour piss from a boot even if the instructions are printed on the heel. My concern is that Romney, Pawlenty, Jindal, and Huckabee are such breathtaking morons that they might all implode before the Iowa Caucuses leaving the Moose Queen the last one standing.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Annie:

    Not only is that not a joke, there are probably at least 50 million Americans who are eligible to vote and believe that.

    We can’t EVER get complacent.

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    valdivia says:

    @burnspbesq:

    Love Tinker Tailor and Smiley’s people. Great stuff!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @JK: Never got into Bogart.
    But the Bridge on the River Kwai?
    That was a psychological revelation. Larry of Arabia was as well, in that they both dealt, at least in some respect, with how people must fool themselves to survive mentally.
    But I could watch BotRK dozens more times. LoA seems to wear on me.
    Not familiar with a few of the others you recommend.
    That one look AG gives when he stops and turns, his mouth falling open a little.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    There’s a story about Clemmons here in the Seattle Times. Leaving aside his fondness for armed robbery, it sounds like the guy needed some serious mental health assistance as well. Not in a bleeding-heart-liberal “a man who commits armed robbery must be mentally ill” way, but in a “mentally healthy people don’t tell their families that they can fly” way.

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    steve says:

    “What’s the frequency, Kenneth?”

    True story about my high school and college buddy, Ken Schaffer. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Schaffer

    Ken had fell in love with Russia and had worked out a way to beam Russian TV to the US. Russian scholars at Columbia University in NYC were watching TV to learn about Russian culture and were sure of the soon demise of the evil empire.

    Kenny is certain that the guys who mugged Dan Rather had mistaken Rather for him. He’s no sure of who they were, but is sure they were trying to find out how he was able to get Russian TV to the US, which turned out to be thru satellites.

    Kenny is the inventor of the wireless microphone and the wireless guitar, BTW.

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    Andy K says:

    Holy crap! This just keeps getting worse for Huckabee…If, that is, Clemmons is the shooter in Lakewood. From a column in the Arkansas Leader, dated 6/23/04:

    Maurice Clemmons received a 35-year sentence in the early 1990s for armed robbery and theft. His sentence was commuted in May 2000, and he was let out three months later.
    ___ The following March, Clem-mons committed two armed robberies and other crimes and was sentenced to 10 years. You’d think they’d keep him locked up after that, but no: He was paroled last March and is now wanted for aggravated robbery.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Annie:

    MARTINSVILLE, Ohio — With food stamp use at record highs and climbing every month, a program once scorned as a failed welfare scheme now helps feed one in eight Americans and one in four children.

    The program’s growing reach can be seen in a corner of southwestern Ohio where red state politics reign and blue-collar workers have often called food stamps a sign of laziness. But unemployment has soared, and food stamp use in a six-county area outside Cincinnati has risen more than 50 percent.

    Pangs of hunger focuses the mind. Even for wingnuts with what little they have to work with in that department.

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    JK says:

    @Max:

    Even Ozzy sounds amazing

    I don’t have HBO. You mean to tell me there’s a universe in which Ozzy Osbourne actually sounds intelligible. Will wonders never cease?

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    burnspbesq says:

    Can anyone recommend a good ticket broker in DC?

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    Max says:

    @Andy K: Michelle Malkin’s already on it..

    From the Twitter…

    RT @michellemalkin: Awful: Looks like Huckabee has 2nd Willie Horton on his hands. 1st Wayne Dumond. Now Maurice Clemmons.

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    prop says:

    There’s that D. Woodley is going to blow a knee with that sack dance tho.

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    JK says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Lawrence of Arabia is in my top 4 list. I can sit and watch it anytime day or night and it never ceases to amaze and captivate me.

    Not familiar with a few of the others you recommend.

    Each film is well worth 2 hours out of your life.

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    Max says:

    @JK: Yup yup.

    I’m sure you’ll be able to see/hear parts of the concert on You Tube.

    Right now, Bruce Springsteen, U2 and Patti Smith are singing “Because the Night”, which I did not know was one of their songs. I only knew of the 10,000 Maniacs version.

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    JK says:

    @Max:

    I’m sure you’ll be able to see/hear parts of the concert on You Tube.

    I would think this will be available on dvd at some point. I can survive without hearing Ozzy Osbourne. I’ve never liked his voice from the moment I first heard it.

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    MBSS says:

    let’s go hines ward.

    i’m rooting for your team tonight, cole.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @steve:

    I’m sure you already know this, but your friend was very lucky — William Tager, the crazy guy who beat up Rather, later killed an NBC technician because he was convinced that the networks were beaming things into his head.

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    MattR says:

    @Max: Pretty much the entire concert is available on Youtube. Of course the quality of the audio and video is not quite the same quality, but at least you can see all the songs that were cut out of the HBO broadcast (and there are quite a few as they had to cut down 10+ hours of music from two nights). BTW – which Jerry Lee Lewis opener did they show: Whole Lotta Shakin’ Goin On or Great Balls of Fire?

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    Max says:

    Please someone kill me now…

    Mick Jagger and U2 are doing “Gimme Shelter”. Sounds good, right? Hold on, there is also Fergie on stage singing.

    Jesus take the wheel.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @MBSS: You and I are done here.

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    Cat G says:

    Damn, Mick Jagger, Bono, U2, Black Eyes Peas – Gimme Shelter.. we’re all getting old… but DAMN what a concert

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    Back to football, the Pittsburgh punter’s name is Sepulveda. Should that be pronounced Se-PUL-ve-da or Se-pul-VEE-da?

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    Max says:

    @MattR:

    BTW – which Jerry Lee Lewis opener did they show: Whole Lotta Shakin’ Goin On or Great Balls of Fire?

    Great Balls of Fire. Not a bad version. His piano was great, his voice was shaky, but he kicked away the bench at the end, which was pretty RockStar.

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    MattR says:

    @Max: That was my guess based on reviews that mentioned the piano bench kick. FWIW, those critics also called Gimme Shelter the highlight of the second night.

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    Oooohhh… Ike Taylor got away with some pass interference there…

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    Andy K says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Seems more like Spanish class than football to me.

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    Z says:

    @JK: If you haven’t seen a revival print of Lawrence of Arabia in 70mm it’s worth going out of your way to do so. It shows at the AFI theater in DC every year or so and is almost always showing somewhere – http://www.in70mm.com/now_showing/index.htm

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    JK says:

    @Max:

    Who isn’t performing at this concert?

    Unless I’m misinformed, none of the following individuals appeared

    Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Steve Winwood, David Bowie, Van Morrison, Joe Jackson, Elvis Costello, Chrissie Hynde, Tom Petty, Bob Weir, and Phil Lesh.

    Not to take anything away from this concert. From the posts on this thread, it sounds great, but many of the individuals who comprise my rock pantheon were missing in action for this event.

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    Random memory:

    In college I bought Madden ’94 for Sega. We played the hell out of that game. Barry Foster was literally unstoppable. It took like 15 guys to tackle him. My roommate would always be Steelers and I’d be Lions and whoever had the ball last would win because you could NOT tackle Foster. Maybe it was a bug but his spin move would just send defenders flying, even if he just stood there using it over and over until every opponent had been shed and he could proceed downfield with impunity. It frustrated me at first but eventually I just had to laugh.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Dennis (Donna) Dixon for the underthrow!

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    JK says:

    @Z:

    Fortunately, I have seen a revival print of Lawrence of Arabia in 70mm. This film just gets better and better with each passing year.

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    Max says:

    @MattR: Not sure which night is which, as you can’t tell with the broadcast, but my highlight so far was Metallica and Ray Davies and the CSN stuff. I’m looking forward to Bruce and Billy Joel.

    U2 would be great if they would do their old stuff, like Gloria or Sunday Bloody Sunday, but no, they have to do their recent stuff. Right now, they are doing Beautiful Day. That song was played at every Obama rally for 18 months, it’s now an Obama song, no longer a U2 song.

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    MattR says:

    @JK: Jeff Beck was there replacing Clapton who had to cancel. Sadly, I am just now discovering all the wonders of Beck (and only because I have a crush on the current bass player in his band, Tal Wilkenfeld)

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    MBSS says:

    stillers ball!

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    JK says:

    @Z:

    Z,

    Just for the heck of it, given the fact that you’re using the screen name “Z”, have you ever seen the film Z by Costa Gavras?

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    Max says:

    @JK: Jeff Beck played “Superstition” with Stevie Wonder during Steve’s set.

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    MattR says:

    @Max: I watched most of the Metallica stuff on Youtube a couple weeks ago. The Lou Reed stuff did not sound great to me, I ignored the Ozzy stuff since I assumed he would sound worse, but the Ray Davies stuff was great.

    If you are interested, here is a link to a summary of the second night from Rolling Stone (which has a link to the summary of the first night)

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    Max says:

    @Max: And now Beck is playing “People get Ready” with Sting.

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    mandarama says:

    @Annie:

    Ugh. Sadly, it’s not a joke–it’s the usual bullshit attitude from people who don’t realize how much institutional privilege has helped them get where they are. It’s the myth of meritocracy in action: if you just worked harder, poor people, you would be comfortable like I am!

    I always point people to my late mother’s example. She often worked two crummy jobs, since she had 3 kids and no child support. She cleaned houses, she worked at K-Mart, she emptied bedpans at the local mental hospital. We were excited when she got her first “white collar” job at the town newspaper–but even there she never made more than $14K a year. Ever. With three kids. Too bad she was so lazy–if she’d just worked harder, she wouldn’t have died at 52, dead broke with no health insurance.

    I have seen this belief SO often and it always gives me the kind of tight chested rage that really needs cathartic violence. Fuck those people. Fuck them and their sick idea of Christianity.

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    JK says:

    @MattR:

    Great to hear that Jeff Beck made it, sorry to hear about Clapton. Also, too bad about the others on my list who either couldn’t make it or weren’t invited.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I knew that punk was going to Santonio…why didn’t Baltimore?

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    Morbo says:

    Man… without Roethlisburger, where are the sacks and interceptions I need?

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    JK says:

    @Max: @Max:

    Great stuff. Good to hear that Jeff Beck is getting a chance to shine in the spotlight.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Jumped the snap count. Damn stupid.

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    MattR says:

    @JK: Of all the people on your list, I think the only ones who were even referenced were Lesh and Weir – Simon and Garfunkel did “Not Fade Away”

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    mr. whipple says:

    My concern is that Romney, Pawlenty, Jindal, and Huckabee are such breathtaking morons that they might all implode before the Iowa Caucuses leaving the Moose Queen the last one standing.

    That’s only a concern if you don’t want Obama winning 48 states.

    I’d send her money to help make sure she’s the nominee.

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    Corner Stone says:

    That. Was fucking nasty.
    Ugly damn block. Uggleee.

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    Andy K says:

    That was some nice speed to get to the edge!

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    tomboy says:

    Wow!!! Dennis Dixon.

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    You Don't Say says:

    Wooooohoooo!

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    Max says:

    @ JK:

    Perhaps Roger and Pete are in England practicing for the Superbowl Halftime show.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Should that be pronounced Se-PUL-ve-da or Se-pul-VEE-da?

    Here in Los Angeles, we pronounce Sepulveda Boulevard the first way, but we’re also notorious for insisting that San Pedro be pronounced as San PEE-dro and not San PAY-dro, so maybe you shouldn’t go by what we say after all.

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    asiangrrlMN says:

    Damn. Dixon can play!

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    Corner Stone says:

    I want a cinammon sprinkled donut. Or maybe Dunkin Donuts cinammon donut holes. And chocolate donut holes.
    Or maybe nachos. Cheese nachos with sliced jalapenos.

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    Damn. Maybe the Ravens just aren’t any good.

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    MattR says:

    @MattR: And I finally flip over to HBO and the first thing I see is a shot of Tal and Buddy Guy :)

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    Corner Stone says:

    And now for the vaunted Ravens offense…
    ***crickets***

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    Brachiator says:

    @burnspbesq:

    Don’t forget Guinness’ work as George Smiley in British TV’s adaptations of LeCarre. Brilliant stuff.

    Oh, hell, yes! The entire saga is a master class is great acting. And here, great acting is unobtrusive. It never calls attention to itself or is showy or stagy.

    With people who do not know that he is a spy, Smiley blends into the woodwork, a harmless shlub. With people who think he is some kind of cop, he is patient and fatherly, helping them to reveal information that they don’t realize that they possess, and being unexpectedly sharp when someone tries to lie to him.

    Patrick Stewart appears as Smiley’s nemesis, the Communist master spy Karla. Perversely, he has no lines of dialog during the entire series (or practically none).

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    Max says:

    @MattR: How old is she? I figured it was Jeff’s daughter.

    And there’s my man, Billy Gibbons. Doin’ a little Hendrix.

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    mr. whipple says:

    That’s the backup QB?

    Wanna trade the Browns for Quinn?

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    @mr. whipple: He’s actually their 3rd string QB, and yes he’s better than Quinn.

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    MattR says:

    @Max: She’s 23, from Australia and picked up the bass about 6 years ago (but no I am not obsessed). Here is a youtube clip of Jeff Beck that includes a nice Tal bass solo from the Crossroads Guitar festival in 2007

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    mr. whipple says:

    @J.W. Hamner:

    But, but…he’s not from Notre Dame! This is not possible!

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    Z says:

    @JK: No, but it sounds interesting after initial Googling it sounds interesting. You’d think a film degree would cover all of the bases, but that’s never the case.

    Harbaugh’s poor timeout management better not fuck us over again.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Ray (Donna) Rice!

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    Max says:

    @MattR: She looks 16, but she’s awesome.

    I’m lovin’ the instrumental version of A Day in the Life

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    Morbo says:

    Take your conventional wisdom and shove it up your ass, Collinsworth!

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    tomboy says:

    Apparently Ray Rice can really run. Great game.

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    Annie says:

    @mandarama:

    Your mom was awesome, and it shows in how she raised you…Thanks for the reality check. We all need to be reminded of how everyday Americans survive and do extraordinary things under difficult circumstances.

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    MBSS says:

    @Morbo:

    seriously. i’m am the point where i can barely stand any commentator.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Somebody…anybody…put a body on numero diez.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @MattR: if she’s 14 I’ll eat your hat.

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    Max says:

    Tom Morello and Bruce FTMFW!

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    JK says:

    @Z:

    Z,

    “Z” is an extremely kick ass film. I can’t recommend it highly enough. Do yourself a favor and see it at your earliest convenience. As a double bill, I recommend watching it with The Battle of Algiers. In addition to great screenplays and great acting, these films have terrific editing and excellent musical scores.

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    CaseyL says:

    This is a perfect game to be doing homework to. I pay minimal attention until the volume of chatter abruptly goes up, and then watch more closely…

    … like that almost interception just now.

    Breathe, John; breathe!!

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    Oh my goodness. Soooo close.

    EDIT: And nice block in the back to negate a nice run back.

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    MattR says:

    @Corner Stone: She better not be 14 or I’ll feel like even more of a dirty old man than I already do :) I think its the fact that the bass guitar is almost as big as she is that makes her seem so young.

    Tom Morello is rocking the Ghost of Tom Joad. Looking forward to London Calling next.

    And I can I please get a TD to end the football game.

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    CaseyL says:

    I wonder if, in situations like this, coaches tell their defensive backs to commit pass interference, figuring a favorable spot is better than a certain touchdown.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Get a knife and fork. Ms. Wilkenfeld is indeed 23 years old. And somewhere in heaven, Jaco Pastorius smiles every time she straps it on. Not my style of bass playing (I’ll take Ron Carter or Paul Chambers, thank you very much), but she is ridiculously talented.

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    You Don't Say says:

    Overtime!!!!!!!!!

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    CaseyL says:

    Holy hell, what a game. Field goal attempt with 0 on the clock, and it’s just short…aaand we’re in OT.

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    Max says:

    John Fogerty looks like he’s had a little work done, or he’s on the Botox-train.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    Wooo. Breathe, cole, breathe.

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    Wow that was pretty close for a 56 yard attempt while frantically trying to get it off before the end of regulation.

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    Damned at Random says:

    Helluva scrimmage.

    Cole is being pretty quiet

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    Wow. This is a good game. Somebody check on Cole, so he don’t hyperventilate. And fuckhead too.

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    Z says:

    Holy shit that was close. The Ravens have been in too many awesome games this year to only win one of them (Lewis plugging Sproles vs. SD). Ray Rice gets a reprieve for his mistake on account of general awesomeness; Clayton does not (nor does the coaching staff for calling a play w/ a good chance of drawing a penalty at the edge of field goal range).

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    JK says:

    @Max: @MattR:

    Many, many thanks to you guys and others for these concert updates. You’re reminding me of the kid in the candy store feeling I experienced when I dreamed that I attended a Beatles reunion concert at MSG in NYC in the late 1970’s and the Beatles played a 4 hour show closing with a 15 minute version of The End featuring solos from Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page, Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, and David Gilmour.

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    Jebus.

    I turn the game on with :54 left. Hope Cole’s heart is okay.

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    Oregon Guy says:

    Very proud of UO alum Dennis Dixon in his first NFL start. Let’s see if he can lead the Steelers to a win in OT…

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    MBSS says:

    i thought that field goal was good. heart stopper game.

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    Max says:

    @JK: No worries. Bruce and Fogerty are butchering Pretty Woman right now.

    What’s that tremor? It’s Ray rolling over in his grave.

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    Max says:

    @Max: Edit function, damn you.

    ROY is rolling over in his grave.

    I’m patiently waiting for Billy Joel.

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    cokane says:

    ill take a tie too!

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    JK says:

    @Brachiator:

    Do you have a favorite Alec Guinness film or two, or three?

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    You Don't Say says:

    Damn.

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    JK says:

    @Max:

    Does Mick Jagger still have a credible singing voice?

    I love the Who, but I think the idea of having them perform at the Super Bowl is a bridge too far.

    Nobody beats the NFL when it comes to booking musical acts who are 25 to 30 years past their prime.

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    conumbdrum says:

    Deposited rank and steaming at The Corner, courtesy of asshole-and-proud-of-it John J. Miller:

    Seems like there ought to be a stigma attached to the use of welfare. A little bit of shame can go a long way toward encouraging people to find jobs. The federal government may think it’s doing people a favor by providing them with access to food, but it’s doing them a disservice if it also robs them of the motivation necessary to break free from dependency.

    Maybe Miller can hustle up a bunch of teabaggers to hang outside welfare offices and scream “SHAME!” at those who emerge, accompanied by a barrage of rotten vegetables. No, scratch that last bit; those lowlife welfare bums might take those veggies home and eat them instead of hitting the bricks to beg for work.

    Jesus H. creeping Christ on a cross. These pricks would snatch away Tiny Tim’s crutch because they needed kindling for a weiner roast at the country club.

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    Guys, I think spin move button on Mendenhall’s controller is stuck.

    EDIT: KRUGER!

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    CaseyL says:

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGOOOOOOODDDDDDINTERCEPTION

    Cole is totally hyperventilating now.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Brachiator:

    Patrick Stewart appears as Smiley’s nemesis, the Communist master spy Karla. Perversely, he has no lines of dialog during the entire series (or practically none).

    I could totally see Patrick Stewart going for this role for this exact reason. He does so much acting with his face and body it’s astounding. Not just for Starfleet anymore.

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    You Don't Say says:

    Damn damn.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @burnspbesq: Well, I am of that certain age where I am 100% unreliable on young girl ages. It’s why I don’t bother anymore when I’m out of my cage.
    But G-D that scares the absolute shit outta me that she’s 23.
    I’m not that fucking old…ok, maybe I am. Pass the A-1.

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    MattR says:

    @Max: Kinda interesting that they went with the last acts from the first night to close out the HBO broadcast, but I ghuess it makes sense since the first night closed with a group effort on “Higher and Higher”

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    Max says:

    @JK:

    Does Mick Jagger still have a credible singing voice?

    Nope. He and Bono did a version of “Stuck in a Moment” that gave me douche chills.

    It stood out especially bad on a show that everyone’s voices have been so strong.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    uh oh!

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Max:

    Stuck in a Moment”

    Me too.

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    Yutsano says:

    20-17 Ravens. Someone needs to go check on John.

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    gwangung says:

    Ah well.

    Helluva ball game, though.

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    You Don't Say says:

    Damn damn damn.

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    Thank god. The Ravens were able to beat the Steelers’ 3rd string QB. At home. In overtime. Sigh.

    Better than losing at least.

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    Ranger 3 says:

    Yes Steelers fans, that is the Tennessee Titans in your rearview mirror.

    Your team is not good. Go Cowboys.

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    MattR says:

    I don’t know why, but for some reason I am impressed that HBO was able to seamlessly edit the Springsteen set so that you do not realize that the guests actually came out in a completely different order.

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    Max says:

    I’m liking the Bruce and Billy duet of “New York State of Mind”.

    Billy rocks.

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    JK says:

    @Max:

    A few months ago, I read someone on one of Yahoo’s music blogs who said Roger Daltrey’s voice had deteriorated a great deal over the past few years. I think I’ll skip this year’s Super Bowl Halftime Show.

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    handy says:

    Steelers fans should thank their lucky stars they aren’t Nets fans. Talk about infamy. Oh. Em. Gee.

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    CaseyL says:

    @Brachiator:

    Patrick Stewart appears as Smiley’s nemesis, the Communist master spy Karla. Perversely, he has no lines of dialog during the entire series (or practically none).

    Wait, what? He was? I saw Smiley’s People before I became a Patrick Stewart fan, so I didn’t notice, but… wow. Another reason to love those miniseries…miniserieses?

    When I first saw Tinker Tailor, it burst upon my consciousness like a supernova. Made an instant LeCarre fan of me: I read everything he wrote up until… well, I skipped Constant Gardener, but that’s the only one I haven’t read, and that’s just because I don’t think I could bear it.

    BTW: LeCarre loved Guiness as Smiley:

    Le Carré was even more taken by the interpretation of Smiley provided by Alec Guinness, so much so that as he was writing Smiley’s People he found himself visualizing Guinness in the role and incorporated some of the insights afforded by the actor in the sequel to the trilogy.

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    Max says:

    @JK: They can always call Fergie to come out and sing with them.

    The Who sounded great at the 9/11 Tribute Concert. That is the last time I’ve heard them.

    I’ve never been a Who fan. Much like Pink Floyd for which I took shit on this site about.

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    Max says:

    Oh yeah – Born to Run! Bruce and Billy.

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    In my continuing efforts to read as much about climate change as I can in one weekend, I love how the trolls on real climate get pissed that no one will take them seriously. Just because its become painfully obvious to everyone that the troll is not willing to listen to the facts that counter his or her argument does not give others the right to blow them off, damn it.

    Sounds just like the trolls here.

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    Punchy says:

    Here comes the “But Ray Lewis is a murderer!” from Angry Cole.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Punchy:

    JSF v. Cole football flame war. Popcorn please./

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    Svensker says:

    @Molly:

    Sven – Kellen Clemens plays for the Jets.

    Yeah, I know. I’m a Jets fan. Apparently Kellen and Dennis Dixon played together at Oregon.

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    Svensker says:

    Oh, well. Don’t usually care one way or the other, but I was really pulling for Dixon — he played very well. Shame his one big mistake cost the game. Ouch. Still, he did damn well for a 3rd stringer with no time on the field. Damn well. The kid has talent.

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    MBSS says:

    @Svensker:

    i agree. dixon looked good despite that pick.

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    JK says:

    @CaseyL:

    LeCarre loved Guiness as Smiley

    I never heard that story before. That’s very cool.

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    KC says:

    Not a Steelers fan whatsoever, but thought Dixon did great. It was nice to see he and the Steelers hold off Baltimore for as long as they did. He deserves a lot of credit.

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    Brachiator says:

    @JK:

    Do you have a favorite Alec Guinness film or two, or three?

    I pretty much agree with your list earlier in the thread. With some of the various posts about Dickens in mind, I had almost forgotten what a “snot with a heart of gold” Guinness was as Herbert Pocket in the adaptation of Great Expectations.

    The book, by the way, was one of the first novels that I read as a kid, and has always been a favorite.

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    MattR says:

    And now on to the end of the 2007 Farm Aid concert on HDNet then over to R30 (Rush in concert) on Palladia when Farm Aid finishes. Great music on TV tonight.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Oh man. Cold front coming through. Bedtime weather. Peace out.

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    Ron says:

    Sigh, that was no fun. Thought they had a chance to win it when the Ravens went for it on 4th and 5. Yuck. I will say that given his level of experience I thought Dixon looked fine. He obviously made some mistakes. Unfortunately the one INT was in overtime. It was “his fault” but there’s no way he was ready to face that kind of defense.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    Typical wingnut reaction from Huckpac. It was everybodies fault, not just ours.

    Should he be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State. He was recommended for and received a commutation of his original sentence from 1990, this commutation made him parole eligible and he was then paroled by the parole board once they determined he met the conditions at that time.

    Of course, if he hadn’t had his sentence commuted by Huckabee in the first place, none of the henceforth crimes would have happened. and the animal would still be safely (for public) serving a life sentence in an Arkansas prison.

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    Yutsano says:

    @General Winfield Stuck: Minimalization from our wingnuts? Say it ain’t so!

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    Of Bugs and Books says:

    @arguingwithsignposts: @Mnemosyne:

    Regardless of origins, the punter is the only authority on pronunciation of his name.
    I’d point to Sonia Sotomayor’s peanut gallery for why.

    Since I’m in need of what some call “pronouncing gazetteers” for a couple of other reasons (not pedantry!), I looked up this:

    Quoting from: http://www.sepulveda.org/

    The SEPÚLVEDA surname derives its etymology from the town of SEPÚLVEDA, Province of Segovia in Spain.

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    Svensker says:

    The SEPÚLVEDA surname derives its etymology from the town of SEPÚLVEDA, Province of Segovia in Spain.

    Big street in L.A. named Sepulveda, with the accent as above, so it doesn’t sound strange to me at all.

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    @Svensker:

    @Of Bugs and Books:

    I realize that the punter calls the shots. I was just curious, because growing up in Texas, I heard a lot more Se-pul-VEE-da than Se-PUL-ve-da.

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