Who Is the Real Barack Obama?

So far, I can recall Obama being compared to the following figures:

Hitler
Stalin
Pol Pot
Mao
Carter
Bush
Nixon
David Duke

I think now it is time to start the definitive list of people Obama has been compared to, good or bad. Include a link to the comparison.






398 replies
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    Pangloss says:

    Britney Spears.

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    Captain Haddock says:

    Don’t forget, he was also behind that whole balloon hoax, just you wait and see.

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    TR says:

    Satan.

    Top that, people.

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    aimai says:

    You forgot Neville Chamberlain!

    I was thinking that this should be a meme of the week tracker.

    aimai

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    aimai says:

    Also, I’d like to see an account somewhere of all the people that Bush was compared to –by his own side. I’ll begin that one by reminding you that he was frequently compared to Churchill, apparently on the grounds that they were both male bipedal mammals.

    aimai

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    aimai says:

    Oh, yeah, Antichrist! (for Obama, natch)

    aimai

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    Foxhunter says:

    Please wear your welder’s mask for this one:

    Obama the Anti-Christ.

    Warning…Freeper linky.

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    LoveMonkey says:

    I compare Obama to my Uncle Bill. Uncle Bill was smart, educated, curious, modest, engaged in politics, and genuinely interested in improving other peoples’ lives, which he did, by virtue of the work he did and the efforts he made.

    Yes, Obama is like my Uncle Bill.

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    jibeaux says:

    The Joker, Heath Ledger version, visual depiction….

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    LoveMonkey says:

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    Sorry, but you’d be more believable if you said you were DougJ. Which you probably are.

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    Morbo says:

    @aimai: Shoot, beat me by less than a minute… OK, need another one… Ooh, Caesar!

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    qwerty says:

    T-1000 from Terminator 2

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    Foxhunter says:

    Next up, Dukakis!

    Ambers

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    Laura W says:

    I know I will get a D for not following the assignment instructions but I am still reeling from BOB comparing Nixon to Little Bitsy.

    Do you like Little Dicksy, Bill?

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    Zifnab says:

    Oh, oh. Saddam (my middle name is Barack) Hussien.

    http://gawker.com/5347396/glen.....comparison

    And of course, lest we forget, Osama Bin Laden.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/nickdo.....ncidence-t

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Mr. Spock

    (pic related)

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    aimai says:

    I have a feeling Obama was also compared to Mobutu, anyone remember that or have a link?

    aimai

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    Foxhunter says:

    @jibeaux:

    Actually, according to Frank Fleming of PJM, Obama is decidedly NOT like the joker….because –

    “…..the Joker has always been depicted with normal-sized ears…..”

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    Brick Oven Bill says:

    By the grace of God, I do not have to deal with little Dicksy Laura. Neither should you.

    Glenn.

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    aimai says:

    Oh, wait, I get it: he’s America’s Zelig. A walking Rorschach blot of a man.

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    Jeff says:

    Ack… wrong link for LBJ above, should’ve been http://spectator.org/archives/.....j-syndrome

    FDR link was ok though.

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    dad23g says:

    Andrew Sullivan compared him to the T-1000 in Terminator 2.
    http://andrewsullivan.theatlan.....t1000.html

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    Leelee for Obama says:

    @Foxhunter: I don’t have my mask handy, so I won’t click! However, since I myself compared Bush to the anti-Christ, I’ll call this one a wash. OK?

    OT-I am feeding my soul presently by leaving the cable news off and listening to my Jimmy Buffet collection on my crappy cd player. I can’t tell you how much better I feel. I’ve actually been dancing!

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    GReynoldsCT00 says:

    @Pangloss:

    Nah, it was Paris Hilton…the “celebrity” thing?

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    BombIranForChrist says:

    I want to see a photo collage. An amalgam. Perhaps a contest is in order.

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    blahblahblah says:

    Sheesh. Underneath that charcoaled blackface, didn’t you all realize that President Obama is actually … Darth Vader!

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    geg6 says:

    OT, because this has nothing to do with Obama.

    But you know what I find to be about as bad as comparing Obama to perpetrators of genocide, bigots, and criminals? Critics who say that Creed was unfairly mocked:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2233082/

    As Big Media Matt says, Creed is a good band like solar panels are black.

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    Morbo says:

    Sauron. The best part of that one is the commenter calling it original, as I clearly remember the previous version of that joke.

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    dmsilev says:

    The real challenge is to predict who the right-wing will compare Obama to next. I’m going to go with Michael Jackson.

    -dms

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    slag says:

    Oprah. (It’s happened, but I can’t find a link)

    My personal fav: Osama bin Laden.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    Today, instead of pie, I am going to offer you freshly-baked Troll House Cookies.

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    mgordon says:

    A Magic Negro.

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    Byrd says:

    I don’t see it above –

    Sully just compared him to the T – 1000 from Terminator 2.

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    valdivia says:

    Mugabe by Governor Sanford

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    valdivia says:

    Castro by the McCain campaign

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    Mike T says:

    Tony Clifton

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    The Moar You Know says:

    @geg6: I wonder how much Jonah Weiner was paid to write that? Listen to Creed? I’d rather be curb-stomped to death by a gang of angry Haitian gangbangers.

    I think we can count one of the true tragedies of the last decade is that Stapp failed to carry through on his threat to blow his brains out.

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    eemom says:

    Don’t forget “George W. Bush lite.” Don’t have linky but it’s been uttered by legions of FDL lunatics.

    and for anyone who’s interested, they have a post up today explaining why Obama’s really AGAINST the public option. Except, you know, that they don’t.

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    qwerty says:

    dad23g wrote

    Andrew Sullivan compared him to the T-1000 in Terminator 2.

    That’s what I said in comment 14, which is still “awaiting moderation”, dammit.

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    El Cruzado says:

    Bill Ayers?

    Ah no, they are in fact the same person.

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    Surreal American says:

    Barack Obama is The Master (Doctor Who reference):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMew38zTXHQ

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    Why oh why says:

    Shorter list: to which famous dictator has Barack Obama not been compared to? Napoleon, Genghis Kahn?

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    mistersnrub says:

    We should place odds on the next negative comparison the wingnuts go for.

    4:1 – Kruschev
    10:1 – Idi Amin
    15:1 – Vlad the Impaler
    25:1 – Pinochet (he hated Socialists)

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    Rosali says:

    Jimmy Carter

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    EdTheRed says:

    Bambi, not (according to her, anyway) coined by MoD, but she did try to create an “Obambi” meme.

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    @Brick Oven Bill: BoB, you do realize that mics for those events filter out crowd noise. Could it not be that BO was waiting for the crowd noise to die down? I mean, that’s the only thing that makes his constantly telling the crowd to pipe down when we can’t hear anything make sense, isn’t it?

    Oops, sorry, I know how uncomfortable you are about logic.

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    RSA says:

    No links, but of course there have been (bitterly ironic) comparisons to Jesus and Neo from The Matrix.

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    David says:

    For about 10 minutes the Wingnuts were trying to say that Obama is just another George W. Bush, then for 10 more minutes it was Obama is another George H. W. Bush.

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    Martin says:

    BoB, you do realize that mics for those events filter out crowd noise

    No, of course not. And most people don’t know that, else the Dean Scream never would have happened. The media sure as hell know, however, which points out how massively dishonest they are for pushing what was such a bullshit story.

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    Shell says:

    Machiavelli

    Oh, and cause i forgot to add this before: Thank goodness Tunch is back home. I’ve been thru a ‘lost-pet’ vigil and it is agony.

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    Alex says:

    There used to be a wingnut from Bakersfielf who compared Obama to failed UCLA football coach Karl Dorrell on teh internets. Because they’re both black, you know, and therefor not qualified or smart enough.

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    geg6 says:

    @eemom:

    for anyone who’s interested, they have a post up today explaining why Obama’s really AGAINST the public option

    Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! What hell is wrong with those people? I read that post earlier today and was like, WTF? It sounded like a Politico article with all that concern trolling and “people might say” crap. Not a single actual fact. No, just scarecrow doing some sort of psychic act like he/she and he/she alone can read the dark and deceptive recesses of Obama’s evil Jedi mind tricks on the public option. That he obviously doesn’t want. Because, you know, otherwise, why would he keep saying he wanted it? It’s all a fake out, sheeples!

    I swear, I’d take them off my favorites if Marcy Wheeler wasn’t there.

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    slag says:

    @Alex: You can pretty much be guaranteed that Obama has been compared to any well-known black man or woman. Tiger Woods, Muhammad Ali, Jackie Robinson. Hell, even Bill Clinton compared him to Jesse Jackson.

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    Surreal American says:

    @Surreal American:

    Whoops. Didn’t realize I had to suppy a link to someone who already made the reference. Thought I was creating a new meme.

    My apologies.

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    Zifnab says:

    @slag: And Jesse Jackson compared him to a dude getting his nuts sniped off by Jesse Jackson.

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    Cyrus says:

    David Duke

    Really? Wow. Who suggested that? What was the reasoning, just that Obama’s racist?

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    Not to mention a dead chimp, courtesy of the ever classy NY Post.

    I gotta stop. I have a three hour class to teach in half an hour and I ain’t got nothin yet.

    This is a grotesquely addictive game.

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    CapMidnight says:

    You know who else was Adolf Hitler?
    Adolf Hitler, that’s who!!

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    Robin Hood. Which, of course, in wingnutland is a bad thing.

    http://www.zazzle.com/barack_o.....7912540492

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    Bubblegum Tate says:

    “His Majesty Barry I”

    And, moving from kings to presidents:

    Warren G. Harding

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    Surreal American says:

    Mohammad’s winged mount, Buraq (via a caller on John Gibson’s radio show):

    http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200710120009

    And Bat Ye’or:

    http://article.nationalreview......38;w=Mw==#

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    Drew says:

    @slag:

    “Hell, even Bill Clinton compared him to Jesse Jackson.”

    Is that supposed to be a compliment?

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    priscianus jr says:

    Are you ready for this? By now I am sure you are:

    Is Obama the “Caligula of our time?”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkVEzQCvpWU

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    They Live By Night says:

    That one.

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    calling all toasters says:

    Well, I was going to comment that he probably hasn’t been compared to Eddie Gaedel, but to be on the safe side I Googled.

    Meh.

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    Drew says:

    Bending the rules a bit, considering this isn’t a figure…

    Linux

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    David Duke Really? Wow. Who suggested that?

    You might want to sit down, because you are going to be SHOCKED.

    Limbaugh: Nominating Sotomayor Like Nominating David Duke

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    LD50 says:

    I’ve seen him compared to Lenin, by some wingnut who must’ve thought the Marx/Stalin comprisons were getting a little stale.

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    Calouste says:

    @Notorious P.A.T.:

    Yeah, that whole stealing from the rich, giving to the poor thing is definitely seen as being the wrong way around in wingnutland.

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    Demo Woman says:

    @Brick Oven Bill: Laura was your last friend on the thread.

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    flavored coffee lover says:

    This topic is so much fun! It’s hilarious. Will it also get a listing under the BJ lexicon?

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    licensed to kill time says:

    This is awesome-o. It deserves an entry in the Lexicon – Obama’s Just Like “……” (click for list)

    (hey, flavored colored coffee beat me to it!)

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    DB says:

    I posted links to comparisons of Obama to Goebbels, Mengele, Trotsky, Lenin, Chamberlain and Julius Caesar… but maybe links to such madness broke the comments submission form.

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    Whick says:

    Andrew Sullivan called him the Reagan of the Left in 2007.

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    Brick Oven Bill says:

    I have friends Demo Woman, people like me.

    There are lessons Obama could learn from Xerxes, and I think Xerxes is a pretty good comparison. Dumb people cannot defeat King Lionidas. The proof is contained in Tim F’s link, where Lionidas says:

    “I’d prefer you trusted your reason.”

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    Demo Woman says:

    Well for those among us who think he’s kinda cute, he did make the Vanity Fair 2009 international best dressed list.
    He does look sorta sexy on the basketball court. I’ve never been a fan of the codpiece president myself, like Tweety was.

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    aimai says:

    Obama African Dictator link to freepers with bonus freeperness:

    To: morgc

    The coronation of His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Bokassa, of the Central African Republic, 1976:

    http://video.google.com/videos.....A4QqwQwAA#

    4 posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:21:40 PM by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
    [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]
    To: morgc
    Kenyan political revolutionary
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Obama’s natural born status is the elephant in the living room. Unfortunately Fox is busy swatting the flies circling the elephant and has completely ignored whether or not we even have a valid president.

    As gratefully as I am for Fox, I am irritated beyond words that they have ignored Obama’s eligibility, and seem to have issued gag orders to their stable of yapping beauties.

    If Fox is worried about the FCC, they should remember that if given the chance Obama will shut down Fox whether or not they cover his natural born status. Making nice with Obama will not save them in the end.

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    DB says:

    Randall Terry, while getting arrested with Alan Keyes, compared Obama to King Herod.

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    Warren Terra says:

    You can always Google the phrase “Barack Obama is just like”. You get most of the obvious choices sooner or later.

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    An inability to recognize achievement and skill in a black person, often manifested as an insistence that the accomplishments of successful black people were actually “handed to them,” is a sure sign of underlying racism, BOB.

    For example, “There’s no way that best-selling author could really be a skilled speechwriter. He just reads things white people write for him.”

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    Demo Woman says:

    @Brick Oven Bill: That’s nice. You must have enlightening conversations. I actually said on this thread (or site) but maybe there are closet balloon juice lovers of your insights. Some of us actually find your arguments obtuse.

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    Violet says:

    Mussolini.

    There’s even a t-shirt.

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    Warren Terra says:

    And surely someone has to mention Superman, and link the photo of Candidate Obama standing in front of a Superman statue in the same pose, that Oliver Willis had on his site forever (and may still?).

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    Violet says:

    Okay, that’s weird. My post didn’t post. Is it in moderation? I don’t see any message saying that. Hmmm…

    Try reposting:

    Google.

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    ellaesther says:

    Thread jacking to say:

    As of when I looked two minutes ago, Rufus had 3049 vs. Bitsy’s 2950. Less than 100 down, people!

    If you haven’t done it yet: Vote Bitsy!

    (I will admit that I feel somewhat less than proud of myself for having it in for a dog as sweet as Rufus, but hey, Bitsy’s my gal!)

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    Cain says:

    @CapMidnight:

    You know who else was Adolf Hitler?
    Adolf Hitler, that’s who!!

    Bastard. I nearly laughed out loud in software engineering class.

    cain

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    ellaesther says:

    @ellaesther: Oops, I think I meant 3069, and now he’s at 3071, but Bitsy is at 2951 — this is killing me!

    Oh, and in keeping with the assignment:

    Obama = Hope Unicorn (among many, many other references)

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    Midnight Marauder says:

    OT, but if you wanted another reason to hate Ross Douthat, your wish has been granted:

    At n+1 Panel, the Cat Got Douthat’s Tongue on Topic of of Gay Marriage

    Ross Douthat, conservative op-ed columnist for the New York Times, was made visibly uncomfortable for a moment while onstage last night at the New School’s Tishman auditorium.

    The question came from Christopher Glazek, a fact-checker at The New Yorker, who wanted to know whether Mr. Douthat and Mr. Salam believed that former RNC chairman Ken Mehlman, who has apologized on behalf of his party for the Southern Strategy, should also apologize for the Republican party’s gay politics.

    At first Mr. Douthat seemed unable to get a sentence out without interrupting himself and starting over. Then he explained: “I am someone opposed to gay marriage who is deeply uncomfortable arguing the issue in public.” Mr. Douthat indicated that he opposes gay marriage because of his religious beliefs, but that he does not like debating the issue in those terms. At one point he said that, sometimes, he feels like he should either change his mind, or simply resolve never to address the question in public.

    That is fucking rich. “I hate the gays because of what I believe, but don’t ask me to justify what I believe because exposed bigotry makes me uncomfortable SHUT UP, THAT’S WHY.”

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    Brick Oven Bill says:

    I am not convinced that Obama wrote those books Joe. It is more of an inability to observe any Talent or Virtue period than it is racism. Although I believe that Talent and Virtue are inherited, and note that Obama Senior was a bad writer too. Read Problems Facing Our Social_ism. If that makes me racist, then so be it.

    Read Junior’s writings from Columbia.

    Sight > Analysis > Logic > Conclusion.

    That is a pretty bad paper. He failed accomplish correct noun-verb matches in a published article. It is grade-school writing. He provided no paper trail at Harvard, despite being head of the Law Review. Then he comes out with a well-written book.

    Thus I question.

    Therefore, add Milli Vanilli to the list.

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    ricky says:

    This is all very amusing, but inconsequential. What is important is who Glenn Beck links him to.

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    Brick Oven Bill says:

    Oops moderation.

    I am not convinced that Obama wrote those books Joe. It is more of an inability to observe any Talent or Virtue period than it is racism. Although I believe that Talent and Virtue are inherited, and note that Obama Senior was a bad writer too. Read Problems Facing Our Social_ism. If that makes me racist, then so be it.

    Read Junior’s writings from Columbia.

    Sight > Analysis > Logic > Conclusion.

    That is a pretty bad paper. He failed accomplish correct noun-verb matches in a published article. It is grade-school writing. He provided no paper trail at Harvard, despite being head of the Law Review. Then he comes out with a well-written book.

    Thus I question.

    Therefore, add Milli Vanilli to the list.

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    licensed to kill time says:

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    He failed accomplish correct noun-verb matches in a published article

    You failed accomplish too. Also, logic fail.

    This was an episode of BOB’s new production “Black Men Can’t Write”.

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    Leelee for Obama says:

    I hate the gays because of what I believe, but don’t ask me to justify what I believe because exposed bigotry makes me uncomfortable SHUT UP, THAT’S WHY.”

    Douthat in a nutshell. He’s not alone, but that’s his philosophy. I believe what I believe, and I don’t want to talk about it, cause I’m right and you’re wrong. I’m gonna hold my breath till you change your mind. So there!

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    John S. says:

    Dumb people cannot defeat King Lionidas.

    Hey jackass, 300 was a fucking MOVIE based very loosely on reality — a fictionalized retelling of the Battle of Thermopylae.

    Oh wait, that’s the perfect metaphor for you. Carry on.

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    Alex says:

    According to The Google, Obama is Bush.

    (data are the number of hits returned in a Google search for “Obama is X”)

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    ellaesther says:

    @licensed to kill time: You know, it was funny, in amongst all the pie, I noticed that, too.

    Hmmm.

    Pie for dinner!

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    Stooleo says:

    Anyone say a “Magic Pony” yet?

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    Zam says:

    People on the beach during a tsunami

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    Ian says:

    He’s no Carter.

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    SFAW says:

    Well, I was going to comment that he probably hasn’t been compared to Eddie Gaedel, but to be on the safe side I Googled.

    I bet that was a short search.

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    slag says:

    @Brick Oven Bill: Read the books. Or STFU.

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    Laura W says:

    @ellaesther: Warning: Bitsy Chat Ahead.
    So, here’s today’s strategy: Sylvia is working the very busy blog over at Cute Dog like a mad woman today (and has been, all along.) The owner’s of past winners (Lucy Super Pound Puppy, Kikka, and many others with low scoring dogs in the contest) are now asking their supporters to rally behind Bitsy so she can overtake Rufus once and for all. This could make a HUGE difference! Like when all the PUMAs rallied behind Obama. Remember that?

    As could Sullivan posting a bleg. This has been brought to his attention, along with John and Wolcott’s efforts. Scroll down to link to the newspaper story about Evelyn’s massive Beagle rescue in 2007!

    (Pssst…Violet….for Dog’s sake, please do not encourage BOB to start harassing poor, novice Juicer, Sylvia, over the re-naming issue. I’m shocked the lovely, charming woman can stand to linger here one second after hitting “submit”.
    “Anything for the animals”, as she says.)

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    Brick Oven Bill says:

    The Greeks won John S, you jackass. Plato explains Leonidas’ preference for ‘reason’:

    First, there is certainty.

    Second, mathematics gives us the power of perception.

    Third, though the physical applications of mathematics may change, the thoughts themselves are eternal and are in another realm of existence.

    And fourth, mathematics is thought and, therefore, it is eternal and can be known by all.

    Milli Vanilli.

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    SFAW says:

    I have friends Demo Woman, people like me.

    Yes, they really like you, Sally

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    licensed to kill time says:

    @ellaesther: You noticed the failed accomplish pie? Extra tasty with little blackity-black sprinkles on top? And a squirt of Miracle Racism Whip? It’s a BOB specialty, not so yummy but appears at the BJ table with predictable regularity whenever he can work it in.

    (How’d you see it w/the pie filter? Or do you get curious when pie appears, and peek – against your better judgment?)

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    SFAW says:

    He’s Spartacus.

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    Sandblaster says:

    Don’t forget the “witch doctor” poster.

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    here4tehbeer says:

    Obama was featured rather prominently as Erkel back in the day.

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    Makewi says:

    He’s your new bicycle, only someone stole your banana seat and one of the tires is flat. He does have an aaahooogahh horn, so that’s something.

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    glenn says:

    Elizabeth 1! And the comparison actually kind of works.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlan.....d-who.html

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    ellaesther says:

    @licensed to kill time: Actually, my pie filter is entirely in my mind! I see certain names and just skip ahead.

    For reasons known only to my Creator, however, I actually read that one. It’s good to do that on occasion — rare occasion — to remind oneself why one usually engages one’s pie filter.

    Remember kids: Don’t Feed the Trolls! Unless it’s pie.

    (Though this the failed accomplish pie? Extra tasty with little blackity-black sprinkles on top? And a squirt of Miracle Racism Whip? was hysterical, and I’m glad that my temporary lapse in sanity led me to it!)

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    Obama is the man on the Flying Trapeze.
    He is your worst nightmare
    and your dream come true.
    He is the darkness and the light.
    He is me and he is you.

    Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

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    ellaesther says:

    @Stooleo: I said Hope Unicorn. Close enough?

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    bystander says:

    Apologies for going off topic – is there such a phenomena here…?

    Anyway. An endorsement for Little Bitsy I didn’t expect to see.

    Every Little Bits Helps

    http://www.vanityfair.com/onli.....-with.html

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    Comrade Sock Puppet of the Great Satan says:

    “So far, I can recall Obama being compared to the following figures:

    Hitler
    Stalin
    Pol Pot
    Mao”

    Well, Obama would be the opposite of Pol Pot and Mao, who drove the intellectuals and bourgeois out of the cities into the fields and made them work to achieve proletarian/peasant conciousness (or death).

    In Obama’s case, it would be taking the rural folks out of the fields and into the cities until they achieved urban hipster/metrosexual conciousness. But where’d we have them work? We can’t have all the 20% of the country who are birthers working as baristas and as sales clerks in the Gap, and they’d be shit designers.

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    Obama is like Reagan

    Steve Teles compared Barack Obama and Ronald Reagan

    http://tinyurl.com/yjsc22o

    ” President Obama is the one who resembles Reagan”

    I consider this comparison bad, very bad, although your milage might vary (not as bad as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao
    Bush or David Duke).

    I really don’t know what else Teles wrote, because I gagged when he presented a statement by George McGovern as evidence about what “most Democrats” perceived in the 1980s. George McGovern ! If McGovern and I had made recommendations to the Democratic party in the 80s, they would be more likely to act as I recommended, since they wouldn’t be careful to do the opposite.

    Personally I think very highly of McGovern, especially because he was the only prominent figure in the USA who said we had to liberate Cambodia from Pol Pot. Also, on the point in question — who is less bad — Daniel Ortega or Enrique Bermudes — the people of Nicaragua seem to agree with Mr McGovern, since they elected Ortega in 2006.

    I don’t wonder what Teles thinks of that, since he obviously hasn’re re-examined his opinions formed in the early 80s in the light of evidence collected since 1985 at the latest (when I stopped reading he hadn’t mentioned the effect this guy named Gorbachev might have had on Soviet policy).

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    smiley says:

    Then he comes out with a well-written book.

    I’m not getting into whether or not he wrote his books but have you ever heard of editors?

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    GambitRF says:

    Basically, wingnuts believe that if you were to make a venn diagram of all the different forms of evil in the world, Obama would be at the point in the center where they all overlap.

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    Brick Oven Bill says:

    Here is a classic:

    Obama riding a bike with an under-inflated rear tire.

    Check out that stupid-looking rear bumper.

    Add Urkel to the list.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    only someone stole your banana seat

    And you are the shit, in shitstain

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    Violet says:

    @Laura W:
    Sorry, didn’t mean to encourage anyone to harass poor Sylvia. Certainly not BOB. :(

    The Cute Dog blog angle sounds excellent. I’ve got everything crossed the other dogs’ folks can pull through.

    That’s an excellent link about Evelyn and the beagle rescue. I hope Sully posts something.

    I’m off to drum up more support for Bitsy from some new folks. May just be a vote or two, but every vote counts.

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    Makewi says:

    But where’d we have them work? We can’t have all the 20% of the country who are birthers working as baristas and as sales clerks in the Gap, and they’d be shit designers.

    Nowhere. Obama hasn’t actually saved or created any jobs. So unemployed is what they’d be.

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    Napoleon says:

    Obama smokes so I am pretty sure he is exactly like Keith Richards.

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    licensed to kill time says:

    @ellaesther:
    You are wise, ellaesther. I know one should not feed the trolls, but as he insists on serving up that nasty pie, I just have to goof on the poor sod.

    @SFAW:

    I have friends Demo Woman, people like me.

    Yes, they really like you, Sally

    This made me laugh, because the exact same thing flashed through my mind!

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    Makewi says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Back to the standby fecal jokes I see. Get your finger out of your ass son.

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    Stooleo says:

    ellaesther

    I think Magic Pony is the larval form, after that, it forms a chrysalis and goes through metamorphosis. At that point the Hope Unicorn emerges.

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    SFAW says:

    The Greeks won John S, you jackass. Plato explains Leonidas’ preference for ‘reason’:

    The Greeks lost at Thermopylae, BoB, you jackass. And there were just a teensy bit more Greeks (or “Grecians”, as noted historical dimwit Christopher Cook calls them) – something like 5000-7000 all told.

    The Greeks won at Salamis, which happened later that year, and that sent Xerxes packing.

    FSM, I love it when a wingnut tries to school people, while not having a clue himself.

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    […] of that seems to make much of a difference to the folks who are convinced that our president is Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot/Mao/Carter/Bush/Nixon/David Duke all rolled into one. A heavily armed airport security guard making threats against the President is just business as […]

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    SFAW says:

    Nowhere. Obama hasn’t actually saved or created any jobs. So unemployed is what they’d be.

    Technically, you’re right, I guess. On the other hand, the stimulus bill have saved one or two. I guess Obama opposed that one, just like his fellow Republicans.

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    neil says:

    Nobody mentioned Huey Long yet, courtesy of everyone’s favorite, George F. Will.

    Don King thinks he’s more like Joshua to MLK’s
    Moses.

    Ed Rendell saw Adlai Stevenson in him. (In a bad way.)

    Anne Applebaum thinks of Capt. Sullenberger.

    Joe Bruno thinks he’s like Eliot Spitzer.

    Someone who is not Victor David Hanson thinks he’s like Nero.

    And a poetical Cal Thomas thinks he’s
    There’s also Secretariat (or Barbaro if you don’t like him), Gorbachev, Grover Cleveland , Larry Bird, The Pink Panther, Godot, Joe Frazier, Harry Chapin, or Pharoah (which may be worse than Hitler).

    You thought he was like Paris Hilton? He’s actually more like Paris Hilton’s chihuahua.

    My favorite, though, is from Neil Cavuto: Why President Obama is like Prince.

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    SFAW says:

    or even has saved …

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    You are a fecal joke, and can’t be described otherwise.

    Obama hasn’t actually saved or created any jobs.

    And this is more lies Scarlett. Though the full effect of the stimulus is still a ways away, it has created new jobs and likely saved others, though that is hard to quantify.

    One thing for sure, the GOP didn’t create anything but a few millionaires and an economy with one foot in the grave. Now it’s at least standing up outside the hole Bush/wingnuts dug for it. And take your Banana and stuff it Pee wee.

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    PaulW says:

    So far, I can recall Obama being compared to the following figures:

    Hitler
    Stalin
    Pol Pot
    Mao
    Carter
    Bush
    Nixon
    David Duke

    I think now it is time to start the definitive list of people Obama has been compared to, good or bad. Include a link to the comparison.

    Links? You don’t need links! You JUST KNOW that Obama is:
    Megatron
    Agent Smith
    The Wicked Witch of the West
    Emperor Palpatine
    That dragon from Dragonslayer
    Gen. Woundwort
    The Guy Who Ate Your Cookies
    Nurse Ratched
    Alex DeLarge
    Count Chocula
    Tony Montana
    Harry Lime
    and Holodeck Evil version of Abraham Lincoln

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    Brick Oven Bill says:

    If you watch up until the end of the movie, you will note that, inspired by Leonidas, and powered by reason, the Greeks came back kicked ass SFAW.

    Leonidas would not have been caught dead riding a bike with a stupid-looking bumper like the one Obama chose for his bike with the underinflated rear tire.

    Urkel.

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    […] Pfft. Bill O’Reilly by himself has called me all of those names, plus Al Capone! […]

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    Common Sense says:

    The Greeks lost at Thermopylae, BoB, you jackass.

    Goddammit the Alamo was a victory you indoctrinated drone.

    And we did not lose Vietnam. It was a tie.

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    Zifnab says:

    @General Winfield Stuck: But he didn’t actually PROVE he was creating new jobs. He didn’t PROVE it. The burden of proof is on the prosecution and until you can PROVE Obama created those new jobs, he is a BAD PRESIDENT who is DESTROYING OUR FREEDOMS. If you weren’t such a HYPOCRITE you wouldn’t be putting up OBAMA as your OWN PERSONAL JESUS. So you don’t KNOW, ok? Quit acting like you KNOW when YOU DON’T.

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    neil says:

    Well crap, my post apparently got flagged for having too many links, and I had so many new ones, too. Here’s a digest version:

    Huey Long
    Joshua
    Adlai Stevenson
    Capt. Sullenberger
    Eliot Spitzer
    Nero
    Secretariat
    Barbaro
    Gorbachev
    Grover Cleveland
    Larry Bird
    The Pink Panther
    Godot
    Joe Frazier
    Harry Chapin
    Pharoah
    Prince

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    Maude says:

    I knew Richard Nixon and Obama is no Nixon.

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    licensed to kill time says:

    @Zifnab: Yeah, where’s the certs? Has he even scanned his credenzas yet? He….can’t…..PROVE…..he saved…..jobs! And WHY…..are…you …joking, this is ……SERIOUS!

    Also, if the jobs don’t fit, you must acquit!

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    Brick Oven Bill says:

    At least Milli Vanilli looked cool. What an embarrassment we have. Now I have to go to town as there is no TV here and Glenn Beck is on in half-an hour.

    LauraW, please consider re-naming your dog.

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    The Bearded Blogger says:

    Barack Hussein Obama backwards is “Amabo Niessuh Ckarab”, which, if you squint real hard, reads just like Patrick, of Spongebob Squarepants!

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    neil says:

    Marvin Gaye

    I’m surprised this one hadn’t come up before, but there’s also Bill Clinton.

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    ellaesther says:

    @Stooleo: And uses the horn to emerge from its shell! Of course…!

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    The Bearded Blogger says:

    @Brick Oven Bill: Spoof

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    neil says:

    My link-containing posts keep getting eaten, but I found Marvin Gaye, Bill Clinton and Benjamin Button.

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    Stoic says:

    I can tell you two people who he isn’t like…FDR and Truman.

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    Barack Obama is your new bicycle.

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    Shaft!

    They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother
    SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
    I’m talkin’ ’bout Shaft.
    THEN WE CAN DIG IT!

    He’s Shaft, man.

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    Zifnab says:

    @neil: Oh yeah, I remember Benjamin Button. That was Richard Cohen, wasn’t it? He’s the only one ‘tarded enough to write that up that I can think of.

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    slag says:

    Interrupting the pie throwing to say that, once again, Al Franken proves that you don’t need to be a lawyer to make a pretty good case.

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    John S. says:

    I love it when a wingnut tries to school people, while not having a clue himself.

    I always take delight in this as well.

    REMEMBER THE ALAMO THERMOPYLAE!

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    robertdsc says:

    Tunch.

    During the DeMint Honduras flap, I wish the President would have used a legal Left Paw of Doom on DeMint’s stupid ass.

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    Ella in New Mexico says:

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    f you watch up until the end of the movie, you will note that, inspired by Leonidas, and powered by reason, the Greeks came back kicked ass SFAW…
    Leonidas would not have been caught dead riding a bike with a stupid-looking bumper like the one Obama chose for his bike with the underinflated rear tire…
    Urkel.

    My God, BOB, it’s all clear now: you been confined to a psychiatric institute and regularly manage to crawl through the ventilation system, get into a basement office and secretly use the computer.

    Leonidas to Urkel in less than three sentences– Sounds like “flight of ideas” and “loose associations” to me.

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    SFAW says:

    If you watch up until the end of the movie, you will note that, inspired by Leonidas, and powered by reason, the Greeks came back kicked ass SFAW.

    Actually, at the end of the movie, Gollum bites The Ring (finger still within) from Xerxes’s hand, falls into the Hot Springs of Doom, The Ring is destroyed, and Xerxes and His Ringwraiths are destroyed. The eagles come to save Leonidas and his “friend” Master Samwise from Teh Immortals, and all is well.

    Which is about as close to the reality of Thermopylae as your version.

    Do try to keep up, won’t you?

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    gnomedad says:

    Gastro-fascism from Michelle Obama.

    You know who else wanted healthy kids? Hitler!

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    SFAW says:

    I always take delight in this as well.

    REMEMBER THE ALAMO THERMOPYLAE!

    Which brings up an interesting question:

    In keeping with the “Remember the _____” theme, should it be “Remember The Rmopylae”? Or to be a Kewl Kid, should it be “Teh Rmopylae”?

    BoB needs an answer, STAT!

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Zifnab:

    . If you weren’t such a HYPOCRITE you wouldn’t be putting up OBAMA as your OWN PERSONAL JESUS.

    LOL. For a sec there, I thought BIRDZILLA had become unlost and found his way home, but the spelling was too good.

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    Legalize says:

    Hey, where’s my witty comment ably reflecting an iconic pop culture reference sure to win me the admiration of other online commentators at a forum of like-minded individuals?!

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    slippy says:

    @NutellaonToast: It’s even simpler than that — they’re omnidirectional, so they only pick up sounds pointed right at their field.

    Someone who has spent 20 seconds in front of a real microphone would understand this. Someone who’s spent 25 years in front of one doesn’t even question it.

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    joes527 says:

    @Brick Oven Bill: OK. Breaking my own rule here …

    But just LOOK at the kerning in the linked image! An obvious forgery! Oops, wrong irrational screed.

    Dude. The “flat tire” is due to the fact that there is a clearly visible curb that hides the bottom of the tire. Not that getting a flat is a sign of … anything other than the fact that you ride near sharp stuff.

    Don’t bother replying …. I CAN’T HEAR YOU … LALALALALA!

    Pie-Pie BoB.

    (I was intrigued by how the discussion had carom’d from Leonidas to Urkel)

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    superluminar says:

    BoB needs an answerbrain, STAT!

    Fix’t.

    Also, Obama is like a Helicopter.
    He. . . does not…laugh also.

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    Stan says:

    The Peace Prize speaks volumes… compares him with all other laureates.

    http://nobelprize.org/nobel_pr.....laureates/

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    SFAW says:

    Hey, where’s my witty comment ably reflecting an iconic pop culture reference sure to win me the admiration of other online commentators at a forum of like-minded individuals?!

    You certainly have won my admiration.

    And a grateful nation’s, too.

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    Makewi says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    …though that is hard to quantify.

    Counting is hard!

    And take your Banana and stuff it Pee wee.

    Banana seat, duh, as in for a bicycle. Jesus you are a dense one aren’t you captain shit fister.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @slippy:

    It’s even simpler than that—they’re omnidirectional, so they only pick up sounds pointed right at their field.

    I think you mean unidirectional.

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    Makewi says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Meanwhile, in Colorado, engineering firm CH2M HILL says it has kept three jobs so far. It received $562,614.49 in contracts.

    Only $187,538 spent per job. Which in the scheme of the larger picture is a freaking bargain.

    Total spent – $787,000,000,000
    Jobs created or saved – 30,383
    Total per job – $25,902,643

    Personally, I would have preferred they just give those folks, say a fifth of the per job money. Then both parties could have been responsible for creating more millionaires.

    Over to you, captain shits-a-lot.

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    Leelee for Obama says:

    @slag: That was awesome! If I wasn’t snow-averse, I’d consider moving to Minnesota, just to have him as my Senator! Here, I’ve got Bill Nelson and some hockey-player wannabe who’s holding the seat for his boss-talk about depressing.

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    Johnny Pez says:

    @qwerty:

    T-1000 from Terminator 2

    And Kyle Reese from Terminator 1.

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    SFAW says:

    Counting is hard!

    Not really, but comparing }”what is” with “what might have been” is a little bit harder.

    Banana seat, duh, as in for a bicycle. Jesus you are a dense one aren’t you captain shit fister.

    Stay classy, babe.

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    SFAW says:

    Total spent – $787,000,000,000

    Not yet, it hasn’t.

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    Makewi says:

    Total spent per job, based on recovery.gov – $5,700,556

    Woo hooo, quite the improvement. It only takes the Obama government 6 millions dollars to create a 35K a year job. Lets put them in charge of health care!

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    My dear Scarlett, whatever do you mean.

    …Counting is hard!

    For idiot trolls, that’s why I gave you a link. But that didn’t work either. Only a tiny fraction of that 787 billion has been spent numbnut,. If you want to complain it;s too slow, then have at it and I would likely agree to some degree. But the rest of your math is Malkinmath for hapless wingnuts when they got nuthin’ else.

    Banana seat, duh, as in for a bicycle. Jesus you are a dense one aren’t you captain shit fister.

    And this is quite an interesting over reaction to my comment. Velly intellesting indeed. And maybe even telling.

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    Jack says:

    @Leelee for Obama:

    You could be represented by Judd Gregg…

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    Makewi says:

    Only a tiny fraction

    See counting IS hard. Only in the love infested imaginations is 22% a “tiny fraction”. In fact, it’s almost a quarter, and it’s still 6 million per job. Sorry, the facts are sucking for you. Obama is just not getting the job done.

    Hey look, FOX NEWS!!!!!!!

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    LD50 says:

    @Makewi: i

    Banana seat, duh, as in for a bicycle. Jesus you are a dense one aren’t you captain shit fister.

    And this charmless bitch wonders why she gets such a bad reception here.

    So Make Wee, is this scatological fixation going to be part of your regular minstrel show here from now on?

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    Fulcanelli says:

    @Makewi:

    Nowhere. Obama hasn’t actually saved or created any jobs. So unemployed is what they’d be.

    Christ, that is fucking weak.

    If Obama, with the stroke of a pen, brought back the WPA and started putting people to work around the country with public works projects this pathetic little twit would be screaming SO CKA LI SM! along with her tea bagging buddies until her vocal cords snapped.

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    Makewi says:

    @LD50:

    Yeah, poor you guys, I give in the same manner I get. Not very self aware are you LD50?

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    gwangung says:

    @Makewi: Be graceful. You forgot to account for the timetable in the release of funds.

    You know, if you accord folks around here some respect, you might get some in return.

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    LD50 says:

    @Makewi: “I know you are but what am I?”

    Uh, we’ve already seen that one, try harder. More fisting jokes would help cement your moral superiority.

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    Makewi says:

    @Fulcanelli:

    Fantasy. It’s better than having to deal with the reality of the situation I expect.

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    LD50 says:

    @gwangung:

    You know, if you accord folks around here some respect, you might get some in return.

    I think Makewi is roiling with far too much hatred of liberals for that to even be a possibility. But frankly, I think she gets some kind of masochistic thrill out of coming here like clockwork after work every day.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    Total spent per job, based on recovery.gov – $5,700,556

    Please quote where they say this on the website.

    And the 30 plus thousand number

    “These reports cover only direct, tangible jobs created by recipients, which means there are even more jobs created when those folks go out and spend their new earnings — the so-called multiplier effect,” Bernstein wrote.

    The administration claims this multiplying effect means a million more jobs indirectly have been created on top of the direct ones. I have no doubt this is over estimated considerably, although more economic activity occurs when new wages are spent, and certainly more jobs get created.

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    Makewi says:

    @gwangung:

    Sure, sure, and when Captain shit eater calls me the shit in shitstain then its no nevermind with the locals, but when I give the same in return, well, different story.

    I’ll give you individually what you are asking for.

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    gwangung says:

    @Makewi: No, you don’t. When you give respect, you get respect. But you give in to the temptation of being an ass far too much.

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    Svensker says:

    @Makewi:

    Crikey, Makewi, do you even bother reading stuff? Or do you have a serious comprehension problem? Maybe you work for Fox News and have developed a can’t lose method of cherry picking data to support your previously implanted viewpoint?

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    LD50 says:

    Hey, Scarlett, wanna revisit your claim from yesterday that the Teabaggers never called themselves that? I noticed you vanished awfully quick after that argument got stomped.

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    gwangung says:

    @Makewi: You can lie to others and you can lie to yourself, but it’s way too obvious you enjoy acting like an asswipe.

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    Makewi says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Well, the department of labor should have those figures. So far though, it doesn’t look good. Unemployment figures are up overall.

    Good news though, I personally saved 8 quadrillion billion jobs last week when I bought some airline tickets and a duffel bag.

    As to where it says it on the web site, try doing a little math.

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    LD50 says:

    @gwangung: Nah, Makewi acts like a shithead here to get off on the martyrdom it affords her. She’s not going to give that up just to be treated well.

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Makewi:

    Yeah, and all those new and upgraded bridges and water systems and highways and energy projects were just freebies.

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    slag says:

    @Leelee for Obama: I will admit that Al Franken’s takedown gave me a thrill up my leg. He was prepared, on-point, and focused on getting things done. Very nice!

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    Zifnab says:

    @Makewi: I see the conservative math still sucks a giant set of donkey balls.

    30,383
    For Federal Contracts Only,
    as of 10/10/2009

    Contracts: $16,090,959,442

    http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx

    Now, if you believe the contracts are purely service contracts, in which the money goes straight into people’s salaries, we can conclude that under this rather absurd premise, the average job cost $529,604 a piece.

    If you believe the government is actually spending the money on work product – for instance, this contract for $516,650 is going to the Army Corps of Engineers to gravel over a road in Galveston – http://www.recovery.gov/transp.....e=CONTRACT
    then it may be that some of the money is actually going to pay for expenses involved in doing the work.

    But please, keep yapping your yap Makwei. Nothing says “The Party of Common Sense Business Know How” like the inability to understand how businesses operate.

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    Makewi says:

    @LD50:

    You don’t stomp, you assert and pout. But hey, prove it out. I’m certainly willing to consider a well laid out case.

    @gwangung:

    Way to ignore. You must be the monkey covering his eyes.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    More fisting jokes would help cement your moral superiority.

    You folks leave Scarlett alone. She can fist joke all she wants, because, well, cause she’s Scarlett.

    Makewi, you started with the wanking of certainty about something you hadn’t bothered to check on first. When you do that here, you paint a kick me sign on your backside. You just haven’t learned that lesson yet and seem to think you have a constitutional right to come here and wank and flit out the door unscathed.

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    LD50 says:

    @Makewi: Hey, lazy dingbat, look it up yourself. It’s the thread you scampered off from yesterday.

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    Makewi says:

    @Zifnab:

    So we just don’t count that other money. That other money is magic money, which for purposes of arguing how we need it for job recovery is going to help save and create jobs, but for purposes of accounting is not. Genius.

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    Zifnab says:

    @Makewi: YOU LIE!

    /channeling my inner SC Congressional Rep.

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    Blue Raven says:

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    Urkel.

    Oh, thanks, BoB. Now I’m wondering if there are good recipes for cheese pie.

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    Makewi says:

    @LD50:

    Wait, are you trying to assert that your recollections of a guy that supposedly tweeted how he was responsible for the term is the proof? You merit no further consideration.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    You see, this is just the kind of shit I was talking about. You throw out a Malkinmath number with nothing to back it up, but some weak sauce about “somebody out to have the number” and then blame it on us cause we didn’t do this or that to bail you out.

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    Zifnab says:

    @Makewi: Oh noes! Makewi’s math is undone and he’s been reduced to his previous state of screeching “YOU DON’T KNOW!” and covering his ears.

    I’m not the one quoting $5 mil / job, Mak. If you’re going to throw out outrageous statistics, don’t play the “Well I didn’t have enough information card” after you get taken to school. If the website doesn’t contain information to your liking, perhaps you can do a little of your own digging rather than taking a steaming verbal crap and blaming me cause it smells bad.

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    LD50 says:

    @Makewi: You’re never gonna get any further with your low-rent Ann Coulter routine if you don’t stop being that lazy, Scarlett.

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    @slag: Al, my senator, is my newest political crush. I heart him.

    And, I have to ask, how do people know Makalakaweewee is female?

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    but when I give the same in return, well, different story. I’ll give you individually what you are asking for.

    I’m with ya on this one Scarlett. Turnabout is always fair play.

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    Svensker says:

    @Svensker:

    I see I was late to the pile-on party. But why does Makewi come here? Does she think that anyone reads her stuff and goes, “Hell, yeah, come to me, baby!”? She’s not witty, her points are lame, she’s insulting in a dull way, and she’s entirely predictable in her rightwingtalkingpoints. At least BOB is mildly entertaining when you’re not wanting to punch him in the neck.

    The ways of trolls are a mystery to me.

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    SFAW says:

    So we just don’t count that other money. That other money is magic money, which for purposes of arguing how we need it for job recovery is going to help save and create jobs, but for purposes of accounting is not. Genius.

    You set the terms; the data you “quoted” showed you were full of shit. Talking about “magic money” is a nice rhetorical flourish, but it’s right up there with the Greeks winning at Thermopylae and the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor in terms of reality.

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    JM says:

    What fresh moron is this? We have a new troll?

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    Zifnab says:

    OT: The Obama Admin is putting its foot down on executive salaries at bailed out firms.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10.....=2&hp

    :-) That’s the sort of thing you can take to the bank. God I love this new, shiny administration.

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    LD50 says:

    @Svensker: The term ‘troll’ gets massively overused, but I think a diagnostic for the true troll is that all their posts are belligerent political talking points. That is, with trolls like MakeWee and Koz, you *never* see them posting on nonpolitical threads, or posting anything nonconfrontational. ALL their posts are attempts at attacks on ‘liberals’. (Or in Scarlett’s case, fisting jokes.) This is why I really have no sympathy for their whining at how cruelly they’re treated.

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    Jamey says:

    He is my new bicycle. Also.

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    @Zifnab: Which means more pearl-clutching from the fragile members of the traditional media.

    JM. Old troll. Very very very old and boring troll.

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    gwangung says:

    @Svensker: Basically, she’s doing this for attention. Quite successfully, I’m afraid…

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    Svensker says:

    @LD50:

    True dat.

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    LD50 says:

    @Svensker: But: based on that heuristic, Brick Oven Bill, whatever he is, is *not* a troll.

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    Cat Lady says:

    @Zifnab:

    I didn’t see Goldman Sachs on the list of affected companies, but I’ll take baby steps.

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    MobiusKlein says:

    Judas. (Yes, I actually saw this on a sign in San Francisco when he came to visit.)

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    Basically, she’s doing this for attention. Quite successfully, I’m afraid

    Yes, but it wasn’t free and shouldn’t be. This troll, imo, won’t give up and go away if ignored. She would continue to post as much RW propaganda here as her fingers could type. I mean, how many trolls show up at about the same time every day and leave the same. And on Friday’s announce they’re off for the weekend like clockwork.

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    slag says:

    @Zifnab: I like that as a symbolic gesture. But mostly, I’m concerned about the too big to fail issue. That issue’s big. Real big. One might say TOO big.

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    Makewi says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Wait a minute, the numbers speak for themselves. I’m only using the numbers you gave me and they state clearly that it’s 6 million spent per job saved or created. If you have some other figure, then by all means give it out, but don’t turn it around and claim that that there were actually millions more without any sort of proof to back it up. Since the dept of labor actually keeps that sort of information, and since they work for Obama, you would think those figures would be front and center. The fact that they are not, while not proof of anything, is not a terribly good sign either.

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    Svensker says:

    @LD50:

    based on that heuristic, Brick Oven Bill, whatever he is, is not a troll.

    It’s the “whatever” that’s the kicker. Maybe we should just call our BOB the Lumpen Trolletariat.

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    Makewi says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    All “right wingers” are on assignment from the hive collective to annoy the critical balloon juice fan base. If you only knew how deep this conspiracy goes.

    I’ll give you a hint. Obama is creating Conservatives. They now outnumber Moderates in a margin reminiscent of the 1992 sweep. Why do you think he spends so much time talking about Fox News and Rush Limbaugh? Why isn’t Gitmo closed? Why are we still in Iraq?

    Somewhere the Cheney smiles. More like grimaces, but lets not quibble.

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    Violet says:

    Man, do we need a new thread. Isn’t it open thread time with a vote for Bitsy bleg? Please, John.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    Being clever by half is not your forte. You wrote that no jobs had been created or saved by the stimulus. I provided proof you were wrong. The calculations of how much each job cost was your quote it came from recovery.com and I asked you to show it. You still haven’t done that, and it is not our responsibility to do it for you. And using the BLS as an escape route is simply laughable. You need to actually back up your claims with some facts, or just say you were hasty and talking out yer arse, per usual.

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    Midnight Marauder says:

    @Makewi:

    You don’t stomp, you assert and pout. But hey, prove it out. I’m certainly willing to consider a well laid out case.

    Well, since I was the one was one of the main people who engaged you on that point yesterday, let’s replay it again for the folks at home who missed it, shall we?

    Makewi:

    And the other networks derided them calling them “teabaggers”, so it should end the debate on both sides.

    [emphasis added]

    Midnight Marauder:

    Because they are, in fact, self-proclaimed “teabaggers.” What do teabaggers call themselves then, if not teabaggers?
    And no, “Real Americans” is not an acceptable answer.

    Makewi:

    They call themselves “tea partiers”. So no, they aren’t self-proclainmed “teabaggers”.

    gwangung:

    After it was pointed out to them, no.
    But…revise away.

    slag:

    Actually, this is true. I tweeted (back in my young and foolhardy days) with a teabagger who bragged about the fact that he popularized the term. Of course, it was just a path to martyrdom afterward, but he was pretty proud of it at the time.

    So, there is your “well laid out argument.” The people who would come to be known as “teabaggers” referred to themselves when they burst into the national consciousness as…”teabaggers.” All you could muster in response is “Nuh uh, we they’re really “tea partiers!” More people responded that, no, you are, in fact, thoroughly mistaken.

    Your response:

    This is a lie and you are a liar.

    So spare me the bullshit about “I’m certainly willing to consider a well laid out case.” You’re not and you never have been. I vividly remember dealing with you during the Gates arrest thread a few months back (which, incidentally, is when I started posting regularly here) and how incredibly obfuscating you were in answering ANY FUCKING QUESTION that came your way. There is nothing serious about you, so please, don’t insult people here by pretending otherwise. In conclusion…

    The fuck. Shut it up.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    This comment has to go down as the most funniest wingnuttery posted on this in like forever.

    Somewhere the Cheney smiles. More like grimaces, but lets not quibble.

    Is Cheney torturing you Scarlett? making you write such stoopid things.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Violet:

    Agreed. We are entering the pathetic zone with this sorry troll.

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    LoveMonkey says:

    @Makewi:

    I figure you for DougJ Persona number 12,231.

    Not one of his better ones, either.

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    Makewi says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Yes, you were right. The recovery has created or saved jobs at a cost of 6 million per. Congratulations. Lets hope the cost of health care is as outstanding.

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    demkat620 says:

    @Makewi: 1992 sweep?

    Um no. Not so much. Just remember troll, midterms are base elections. Your base is now 20%. That’s because conservatives are growing? Right.

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    Makewi says:

    I’m not DougJ. You shouldn’t blame him for me.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Obama is creating Conservatives. They now outnumber Moderates in a margin reminiscent of the 1992 sweep.

    Yup, there were at least 2 million of them in the hate rally in DC a few weeks ago, or maybe about 35-50 thousand according to the reality-based community. Cut Makewi some slack; probably married to a drunken, wife-beating teabagger and working a shitty minimum wage job at Walmart.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    Lets hope the cost of health care is as outstanding.

    Tallyho motherfucker!

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    Makewi says:

    @demkat620:

    Yep, since 1992.

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    LD50 says:

    @Makewi:

    I’ll give you a hint. Obama is creating Conservatives. They now outnumber Moderates in a margin reminiscent of the 1992 sweep.

    Yup, that 25% is coming like a big tidal wave to sweep Obama away. The same 25% who still approved of everything Bush did in ’05-’08. They’re the folks who got McCain elected last year, in fact.

    More of Scarlett’s typical ‘math’.

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    LoveMonkey says:

    @Makewi:

    Sorry, but you are exactly what he does for a living. Unless I have reason not to, I must take you for him.

    Looks, walks, quacks, duck. Etc.

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    LD50 says:

    @demkat620: According to Makewi, the complete marginalization of conservatives in this country is proof of just how powerful conservatives are.

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    LD50 says:

    @LoveMonkey: I suspect if Doug wanted to imitate a petulant, embittered wingnut, he could do it more entertainingly.

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    LoveMonkey says:

    @LD50:

    Entertaining would be his Brick Oven Bill character.

    He has more voices than the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

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    Max says:

    Can I just say that our First Lady rocks!

    If you haven’t seen these pics from today, they are worth looking at. I don’t think we celebrate her enough. But, I’m a girl, so I’m biased.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/style/

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    mistersnrub says:

    @Makewi:

    Since 1992, the Democrats have won the popular vote in 4 of 5 Presidential elections. Feel the momentum.

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    eemom says:

    Someone please answer AsianGRRLMN’s question about how you know Makewi is a she? And what’s with the Scarlett??

    For that matter, how do we know BOB is a guy? Yeah, I know he says he’s one…….but really, he could be ANYTHING, including a HAL-like computer.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Max:

    You can almost hear the tiny wingnut brain gears turning on how to smear meme teh Flying FLOTUS.

    I loved it however and thanks for posting it.

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    demkat620 says:

    @Max: She is kickass!

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @eemom:

    The Scarlett is what I call her, cause of her attitude of snoot.

    The She part comes from once stating she was female, then later denying it. At least that’s why I call her her.

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    SFAW says:

    Yes, you were right. The recovery has created or saved jobs at a cost of 6 million per. Congratulations.

    OK, let’s see, what does recovery.gov say on this ….

    “Jobs Created/Saved as Reported by Federal Contract

    Recipients

    : 30,383 (For Federal Contracts Only)”

    Federal Contracts:
    Funds Awarded: $16B
    Funds Received: $2B

    (Funds Received)/(Jobs Created/Saved by Contract Recipients) =
    $2B/30,383 =~ $65,825 per Job

    Oops.

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    Makewi says:

    @mistersnrub:

    The popular vote doesn’t determine the outcome. 2010 is not a race for POTUS.

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    SFAW says:

    And, because I’m clueless, it should have been

    “Jobs Created/Saved as Reported by Federal Contract Recipients : 30,383 (For Federal Contracts Only)”

    instead of blockquoted “Recipients”

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    gwangung says:

    Someone please answer AsianGRRLMN’s question about how you know Makewi is a she?

    Why not?

    The default answer to a poster’s gender when it’s ambiguous is male; why not assume female once in a while?

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @gwangung:

    And this too. Also

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    LD50 says:

    @Makewi: So according to Makewi, 2000 was a massive vindication of conservative politics.

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    Leelee for Obama says:

    @gwangung: I’m fairly sure the question came up a few months ago, and Mak said female. I could be mis-remembering, but I don’t think so.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Leelee for Obama:

    I do remember that also. Too.

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    Makewi says:

    @SFAW:

    Yeah, we haven’t covered this ground already. Just continue to ignore all the other money spent.

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    @Midnight Marauder:

    What a douche. “How dare you call me out on my stated beliefs!” If he ever comes to Michigan I’m gonna get a Reese Witherspoon poster and hold it up during his talk.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    No we didn’t cover this ground yet. You could have before spouting off but didn’t. And now SFAW does it for you and you still whine and wank./

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    John S. says:

    The popular vote doesn’t determine the outcome.

    Then maybe you wingnuts can stop citing the figure when it suits your purposes.

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    Makewi says:

    I’m really a clone of Jessica Alba’s bodunkadunk. I have obtained sentience. Fear and worship me.

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    SFAW says:

    I’m fairly sure the question came up a few months ago, and Mak said female. I could be mis-remembering, but I don’t think so.

    I think the confusion stems from the fact that she “talks” like a 13-year-old boy who only knows fart jokes, and “I know you are but what am I” retorts, and how to repeat urban legends (e.g. giant alligators in the NYC sewers) as fact.

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    handy says:

    @LD50:

    I think Makewi’s point is “All Your Base Are Belong To Us,” pinning hope on the idea that the supposedly bulging size of the conservative base will sweep Republicans back into Congress, where they will remind Americans how awful they were at that whole majority thing during 2001-2008, thereby getting swept out by the Dems again in 2012.

    This prognosticating thing is fun, I tell you.

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    Makewi says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    It’s best for you to continue the parts of this discussion which upset you. When you get upset you tend to get scatological.

    @John S.:

    I’ll take the suggestion to the collective, see what it says.

    @LD50:

    Hey, here’s a thought, why not follow the link to see the origin of the statement. Or perhaps reading ALL the words is more than you can bear.

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    SFAW says:

    Yeah, we haven’t covered this ground already. Just continue to ignore all the other money spent.

    As I said earlier: you set the terms; the data you “quoted” showed you were full of shit.

    Since you seem not to have understood that earlier, I tried again. Your latest response is a combination of “La-la-la-la-la-la-la I CAN’T HEAR YOU” and “Look! Over there! Halley’s Comet!!!1!”

    I realize that intellectual dishonesty is an intrinsic part of the wingnut personality, so I’m not surprised. I’m just getting tired of doing your work for you.

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    @LD50

    @demkat620: According to Makewi, the complete marginalization of conservatives in this country is proof of just how powerful conservatives are.

    So this is good news for John McCain, right?

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    Demo Woman says:

    @General Winfield Stuck: Actually I think of Makewi as a male.. The posts are idiotic and we know that only males would blame the posts on a female.

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    Makewi says:

    @handy:

    Actually I’m fairly certain that people will think to themselves, “self, I’m unemployed, my retirement 401K is worthless, I’m about to lose my near worthless house, but at least Obama has pointed out to me how terrible right wing opinion is. Guess I’ll vote Democrat”

    Yep, I’m sure that’s how it’s gonna go.

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    LD50 says:

    @Makewi:

    I’m really a clone of Jessica Alba’s bodunkadunk. I have obtained sentience. Fear and worship me.

    Now she’s babbling lame pop culture references. Usually she does that just before she punches out for the day.

    “self, I’m unemployed, my retirement 401K is worthless, I’m about to lose my near worthless house,

    Well, did that help Bush last fall?

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    LD50 says:

    Hey, here’s a thought, why not follow the link to see the origin of the statement. Or perhaps reading ALL the words is more than you can bear.

    Can’t do it, I’m too frightened by how your 25% are set to take over the country.

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    Makewi says:

    @SFAW:

    Here are the facts, buddy. $173.2 billion of the $787 recovery fund has been spent (22%), of which the government can point to 30,383 actual tangible jobs “created or saved”. You can talk all the smack you want to about $2 billion for this or that, but you still have to account for the other 171.2 billion.

    So put up or shut up.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Demo Woman:

    The posts are idiotic and we know that only males would blame the posts on a female.

    I’m not sure what your saying here.

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Makewi:

    Are you really that stupid or are you just putting us on?

    That actually WAS the money spent.

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    mcd says:

    I’m Tiger Woods.

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    Makewi says:

    @LD50:

    Classic. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH. Nope. Obama is the POTUS. This is his ballgame now.

    I do understand the Democratic party is up front about running that one again, but I don’t see it bearing much fruit in ’10. It’s worked in the past though, and they aren’t exactly innovators, or you know, good at getting things done.

    Hey, where’s Osama?

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    LD50 says:

    Believe it or not, Makewi’s trying the hardest she can. I’d kinda feel sorry for her if she wasn’t so socially repellent.

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    Makewi says:

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    Which? I agree that 2 billion is part of the 171.2 billion spent so far. So you intend to just stick to that script, yeah?

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    Little Macayla's Friend says:

    This BJ post is mentioned in the Kos midday open thread for today (Pfft):
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....pen-thread
    Maybe there is time for someone with an account for commenting at DKos to put in a plug over there to suggest / explain voting for Bitsy?

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    LD50 says:

    Classic. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH. Nope. Obama is the POTUS. This is his ballgame now.
    I do understand the Democratic party is up front about running that one again, but I don’t see it bearing much fruit in ‘10. It’s worked in the past though, and they aren’t exactly innovators, or you know, good at getting things done.

    And this week’s award for Missing the Point is awarded to…

    Hey, where’s Osama?

    Um, you think the GOP’s going to sweep into power on that?

    Wow, now I know who did strategy for McCain.

    Please, do tell us about the massive increases in numbers Conservatives are enjoying. That or fisting jokes, they’d both win your argument equally well.

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    ranger3 says:

    Terry Bradshaw

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Makewi:

    Okay, I’m beginning to think this is a put on. Has to be.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    62 billion in tax cuts

    63 bill. in entitlements. Mostly foodstamps and the like.

    Money that goes into the economy as stimulus and is impossible to calculate in jobs created, but can be seen in GDP which is certainly getting better. You are mixing apples and oranges to come up with a false meme. The only figure of money spent that can reliably be calculated into jobs created is that for contracts and such. But you go on and keep wanking wingnut talking points, It’s what you do.

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    Mr. D says:

    Throatwarbler Mangrove of Monty Python fame.

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    Ash Can says:

    OK, Makewi, here’s the deal. You’re arguing very well. You’re supplying facts and figures. You’re explaining in clear detail what Obama’s fiscal policies are translating into. That’s great. You’re holding up some dandy pictures and graphs for us to see. Bully for you.

    However, from where the rest of us are standing, we’re looking at you and all your nice little pictures, then we’re looking past you, at the great, huge fucking MOUNTAIN RANGE OF SHIT that collected right behind you over the past eight years.

    Excuse us if we think fuck-all of your charts and graphs under the circumstances.

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    Makewi says:

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    And which part of the you just can’t ignore the other money spent wasn’t clear? But hey, just keep shaking your head and telling yourself whatever you need to in order to believe things are going great.

    These guys don’t agree. Of course they aren’t accounting for the 18 quadrillion jobs that Obama has “saved” in the Unicorn farming sector.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Makewi’s trying the hardest she can. I’d kinda feel sorry for her if she wasn’t so socially repellent.

    Even B.O.B. has standards, after all. He may not own a TV, but he can’t stand a babe with armpit hair.

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    Makewi says:

    @LD50:

    I think McCain will win his seat.

    @Ash Can:

    When you get elected, when your party is the one in power, you agree to take charge of the mountain of shit. It’s part of the deal. You understood this when we transitioned from Clinton to Bush, but for some reason seem to have forgotten it now. I didn’t think it was going to be this bad is not a persuasive argument as an election campaign.

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Ah, a magical pool of largesse from which any claim can be made as to the success or failure of the endevor. Well, not failure of course, that would necessarily be a wingnut talking point. Everyone knows Gods can’t fail.

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    Midnight Marauder says:

    @LD50:

    Believe it or not, Makewi’s trying the hardest she can.

    And that’s the really sad part with all of her his it’s post. When there’s effort involved, it merely takes them from “abysmal” to “obnoxious.” Also…

    @Makewi:

    I do understand the Democratic party is up front about running that one again, but I don’t see it bearing much fruit in ‘10.

    Right, because that’s all those problems from the Bush Administration sure will be yesterday’s news by 2010. It’s not the country is going to be digging itself out of that Bush-created hole for years upon years upon years. As far as Democrats “running on Bush” goes, I think this post from Steve Benen over at Washington Monthly (yes, I know Makewi can’t/won’t read anything) rebuts your attempted argument nicely:

    Last night, for example, the president delivered a couple of partisan, campaign-style speeches at DNC receptions in New York. The combined total of references to “Bush,” “my predecessor,” the “previous administration,” etc. was zero. Obama talked about the challenges we’re all dealing with, but even in partisan speeches to partisan audiences, he didn’t mention the failed recent president at all. Obama made an oblique reference to “what was waiting for us when we began this presidency,” but if Lowry thinks that constitutes graceless, classless scorn, his rhetorical standards need reevaluation.

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    Zifnab says:

    @Makewi: Per the website.

    In order to create full transparency, Recovery.gov pulls contract, grant, and loan data from several sources. Recipient reported data for the blue map comes from the FederalReporting.gov database; the gold map data is pulled from the Federal Procurement Data System and USASpending. The chart below reflects the frequency that these sources are updated. The blue map is updated with the recipient data in the month following the end of the reporting period; the gold map is updated on approximately the 8th and 23rd of every month.

    The Grants are listed in USASpending.gov
    Why don’t you just scoot your little butt down to the site and actually read it? You’re the one alleging massive fraud and waste. Do some digging man. Don’t demand we do all your work for you.

    Quit being a pussy, Makewi. Go to the site. Do the research. See if you can come up with a better estimate than $5 mil / job. Then, when you’ve got something other than “BUT YOU DON’T KNOW!”, perhaps we can debunk your next claim.

    Until you’ve got something more than a giant question mark shoved between two steaming verbal turds, you’re just coming across as an obnoxious screaming know-nothing.

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    Zifnab says:

    @Makewi: Per the website.

    In order to create full transparency, Recovery.gov pulls contract, grant, and loan data from several sources. Recipient reported data for the blue map comes from the FederalReporting.gov database; the gold map data is pulled from the Federal Procurement Data System and USASpending. The chart below reflects the frequency that these sources are updated. The blue map is updated with the recipient data in the month following the end of the reporting period; the gold map is updated on approximately the 8th and 23rd of every month.

    The Grants are listed in USASpending.gov
    Why don’t you just scoot your little butt down to the site and actually read it? You’re the one alleging massive fraud and waste. Do some digging man. Don’t demand we do all your work for you.

    Quit being a punk, Makewi. Go to the site. Do the research. See if you can come up with a better estimate than $5 mil / job. Then, when you’ve got something other than “BUT YOU DON’T KNOW!”, perhaps we can debunk your next claim.

    Until you’ve got something more than a giant question mark shoved between two steaming verbal turds, you’re just coming across as an obnoxious screaming know-nothing.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    Ah, a magical pool of largess

    The only largess was the giant pile of fail left over from the republicans you adore and carry water for. The economy they left was so near death, the entire world economy would have collapsed if drastic measures weren’t taken immediately.

    And now you nitwits come around with proclamations of democrat fail in cleaning up yours and theirs largess droppings on the national carpet. Grab a mop motherfucker and help out, or piss off. This is my message to you.

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    Makewi says:

    @Midnight Marauder:

    Well there you have it, Steve Benen says believe me over your lying eyes and makes it true.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    This grade-level trollery doesn’t even make the helicopters joke. Fax us your credenzas, Makeweewee! Ellipses … also.

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    Makewi says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    No, and too bad if you don’t like it. I’m fulfilling a needed role, the same one you did during the last 8 years. Obama and the Democrats need to do better. I’m here to bitch about the fact that they are not. You just want to continue to hide behind your Bush kewpie doll, because you got nothing else.

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    Makewi says:

    @Zifnab:

    You haven’t debunked shit. You’ve just pretended that some money counts and others doesn’t and that which is which can change as you wish it to. It’s 6 million per accounted for job saved and or created.

    I understand this upsets you. I find it pretty pathetic too.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    Wut? What? “fulfilling a needed role” by being intellectually dishonest with breathless calculations that are falsely sweeping and mindless. Not to mention pure laziness of fact checking yourself before you post. Don’t play the honest broker Scarlett, until you actually act like one.

    And it is not only you, it’s the entire right wing side of our politics. Everything is a cheap effort to create a sound bite meme to attack something, anything. And while that one is being dismantled, another is already queued up. And each get progressively more childish and inane.

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    SFAW says:

    Here are the facts, buddy. $173.2 billion of the $787 recovery fund has been spent (22%), of which the government can point to 30,383 actual tangible jobs “created or saved”. You can talk all the smack you want to about $2 billion for this or that, but you still have to account for the other 171.2 billion.

    So put up or shut up.

    It’s funny – I have put up, but you won’t shut up. Not that I’m surprised.

    Look, halfwit, I told how much was spent to create jobs, and how many jobs were created by those expenditures. You decided that, well, that doesn’t confirm your bullshit talking point, so you decided to drag in extraneous numbers.

    It’s kinda like having a discussion about the budget deficit, and you start talking about the national debt. Yes, it’s a number, just like the other number(s). And “get bent” are words, just as “thank you” are words, but they don’t necessarily belong in the same conversation.

    Your complete cluelessness regarding the numbers on the site is breathtaking. (I might normally use “lying” instead of “cluelessness”, but that would imply that you understood all the BIG NUMBERS on Recovery.gov.)

    So keep flapping your lips, honey. It just provides further proof that your age is higher than your IQ.

    I swear, it’s like reading Pantload: “I’m planning on writing a major treatise on the Economy. Can someone please explain to me what ‘Supply and Demand’ means? And can some of you send me information on the US budget deficit, e.g. is there one?, how big is it?, wasn’t there a surplus a few years ago?”

    Let’s hope you’re in better shape than he is, sweetie.

  347. 347
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    Alan Grayson is on the GOS now taking questions. Link

  348. 348
    Makewi says:

    @SFAW:

    Here’s another fun fact for you. 30,383 jobs have been saved or created, but in the neighborhood of 3 million have been lost. Funny that this number is nowhere to be found on recovery.gov.

    But be sure to stick with the script.

    6 million per and still unemployment is going up. You guys kick ass at this leadership thing.

    hey look Fox News!!! Glenn Beck!! Rush Limbaugh!!!!

  349. 349

    Good lord. Just by reading the responses (I refuse to strain my eyeballs by reading the originals), I can tell that Makalakaweewee is pathetic. And sad. And very very very stupid.

  350. 350
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    You know. Repeating the same nonsense over and over doesn’t change anything, but make you look sillier than the last time you repeated it.

  351. 351
    FearItself says:

    Simultaneous comparison of Obama to Hitler and Charles Manson.

  352. 352
    SFAW says:

    Here’s another fun fact for you. 30,383 jobs have been saved or created, but in the neighborhood of 3 million have been lost. Funny that this number is nowhere to be found on recovery.gov.

    That’s because the 3 million lost jobs are a result of BushCo and his policies. Recovery.gov is focusing on digging the country out of the disaster Bush (and Greenspan) created, not on how Bush fucked up the Economy so badly. (Or maybe he did a good job of fucking it up?)

    Nice try, halfwit.

    Next time, see if you can come up with something relevant, not some obfuscatory piece of bullshit.

    Oh, wait, I forgot to whom I’m speaking.

  353. 353
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Makewi:

    Well first, let’s set aside your faulty inclusion of money that has been committed but not spent within your description of “money spent.”

    The amount of money actually paid out is $116 billion, not $171.2 billion.

    Second, you would have a point that only 30K jobs were created by that $116 billion if the government had posited that number of jobs as the result of all stimulus spending. It didn’t. It made clear it was reporting the numbers reported by contracting agencies as a direct result of federal contracts and federal contracts only.

    So try arguing from something besides your typical apples divided by oranges equation.

  354. 354
    gwangung says:

    @SFAW: She’s pretty much an attention whore.

    Kinda sad, really.

  355. 355
    SFAW says:

    Zuzu’s –
    I’ve tried that more than once today. She is willfully ignorant. Maybe you’ll have more luck.

    And maybe the Mets will win the World Series this year.

  356. 356
    LD50 says:

    @Makewi:

    No, and too bad if you don’t like it. I’m fulfilling a needed role, the same one you did during the last 8 years.

    Dishonest wingnut troll? No, we had billions of them the last 8 years.

  357. 357
    monkeyboy says:

    With a little random Googling It seemems you can find a comparison of Obama with almost any historical figure you can think of mostly in the main stream media.

    Mark Twain
    Clarrence Darrow
    Herbert Hoover
    William McKinley
    Napoleon

    So basically he is a Tubla Rasa.

    Oh, Snap. Lots of people are already calling him a Tabula Rasa

  358. 358
    LD50 says:

    @SFAW:

    That’s because the 3 million lost jobs are a result of BushCo and his policies. Recovery.gov is focusing on digging the country out of the disaster Bush (and Greenspan) created, not on how Bush fucked up the Economy so badly. (Or maybe he did a good job of fucking it up?)

    Ah, but according to Makewee, we aren’t allowed to mention Bush anymore!

  359. 359
    gwangung says:

    @SFAW: The really sad part is that you and other folks are crafting better arguments from Makewi’s positions than she is.

  360. 360
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @SFAW:

    It’d be a little understandable if she were simply building off faulty assumptions, but the entire logic is so flawed it’s hard to see where she’s just making an honest mistake.

    That and the fact that most of her arguments consist of working backwards from her wingnut talking point/conclusion.

  361. 361
    DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal) says:

    So Make Wee, is this scatological fixation going to be part of your regular minstrel show here from now on?

    Yes. MakeWee pisses all over the comments as it is, so their dragging in the shit makes sense (in a MakeWee way). Next thing they will be dragging in is the taint. I did think MakeWee mentioning fisting of the pooper was interesting. Is it possible that MakeWee is going over ‘her’ list of favorite things in life.

    Makes sense if you look at it that way.

    MakeWee: “I’m certainly willing to consider a well laid out case.”

    I think MakeWee is making an offer for sex.

    You can lie to others and you can lie to yourself, but it’s way too obvious you enjoy acting like an asswipe.

    WRONG! An asswipe is something that is actually useful, especially if you have hemorrhoids. If you wiped MakeWee with one of those kind of asswipes they would vanish. Granted, it would take a few cases of asswipes but it would be worth the investment. Think of the children!

    Believe it or not, Makewi’s trying the hardest she can. I’d kinda feel sorry for her if she wasn’t so socially repellent.

    It’s because she insists on hanging three No Pest Strips from her pierced genitals. If she would hang a few pine tree air fresheners from it I think that would help to dispel the foul odor she emits. Maybe some Ozium too, a gallon ought to do it.

    Are you really that stupid or are you just putting us on?

    Yes.

  362. 362
    Makewi says:

    @SFAW:

    This has such a perfectness to it for the faithful doesn’t it? Make sure Obama is credited with everything good that happens, and point to Bush for that which is bad. It’s beautiful in a very sad and pathetic way. Later you should hold your breath and threaten to run away from home if people disagree with you.

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    So then what you are saying is that the government has been completely ineffective at stopping the job loss hemorrhage in the private sector and that they’d rather just talk about the money they used to buy jobs in the public sector. Doesn’t seem like that much of an improvement in the argument of the effectiveness of the recovery program. But then I guess the alternative is what the rest of your cohorts are doing here, which is to scream it’s someone else’s fault. Which voters love to hear.

    Recovery.gov is listing the money in process as already spent. So the 173.2 billion is from that site.

  363. 363
    SFAW says:

    This has such a perfectness to it for the faithful doesn’t it? Make sure Obama is credited with everything good that happens, and point to Bush for that which is bad. It’s beautiful in a very sad and pathetic way. Later you should hold your breath and threaten to run away from home if people disagree with you.

    Unlike you, I remember Reagan and Bush I blaming anything bad on Carter, late into the 1980s. And of course, once Clinton became Pres, and pushed through his budget-balancing tax – which was mostly responsible for the start of budget surpluses – the Republicans started saying the good stuff was because of Bush I and Reagan. And of course, they tried to take credit for the 22,000,000 new jobs created during Clinton’s term.

    And so on.

    You Bush idolatrices have studiously ignored the destruction of Bush’s wars and tax cuts for seven or eight years, so it’s understandable that anytime someone tells you the truth about how he fucked up the economy and the country, you start shrieking about Obama-this or Obama-that, as if our attention span is as short as yours.

    The rest of your response is about what I’d expect from a petulant four-year-old. Except I wouldn’t insult the four-year-old by comparing her to you, dimwit.

    So how’s being a sub-moron working out for you?

  364. 364
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Makewi:

    Recovery.gov is listing the money in process as already spent. So the 173.2 billion is from that site.

    Where please? Be specific.

    As to the rest of your nonresponsive, nonsensical comment … really, you should work on being embarrassed.

  365. 365
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    Job losses are slowing considerably since Obama took office. How you interpret that is up to each person. Last fall, it was around 500,000 a month, and topped out at around 700,000 in March of this year. Certainly not Obama’s fault. Now it is around 250,000 a months. Jobs saved? No way to prove one way or the other, but I say yes.

    WSJ

    The combined loss of 298,000 jobs was an improvement from July’s revised drop of 360,000 and was less than half the pace of declines seen earlier this year.

  366. 366
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    He/she is calculating that from the front page chart of total stimulus spent, such as tax cuts and entitlements, plus for contracts. It’s sort of like Hillary supporters coming around during the primary claiming she should get all the delegates from Michigan, even though Obama wasn’t on the ballot and she had agreed to not recognize their primary vote.

  367. 367
    LD50 says:

    So then what you are saying is that the government has been completely ineffective at stopping the job loss hemorrhage in the private sector and that they’d rather just talk about the money they used to buy jobs in the public sector. Doesn’t seem like that much of an improvement in the argument of the effectiveness of the recovery program. But then I guess the alternative is what the rest of your cohorts are doing here, which is to scream it’s someone else’s fault. Which voters love to hear.

    Seems like a lot of pretentious verbiage to mask the fact that you’re trying to blame all the country’s economic woes on a man who’s been president for 9 months.

    The politicians whose asses you kissed had 8 years to fuck things up. When you act pissy that they’re not all fixed in a fraction of that time, I can’t tell whether you’re really that stupid or just disingenuous, tho I’m leaning toward the former.

  368. 368
    SFAW says:

    So then what you are saying is that the government has been completely ineffective at stopping the job loss hemorrhage in the private sector and that they’d rather just talk about the money they used to buy jobs in the public sector. Doesn’t seem like that much of an improvement in the argument of the effectiveness of the recovery program. But then I guess the alternative is what the rest of your cohorts are doing here, which is to scream it’s someone else’s fault. Which voters love to hear.

    Recovery.gov is listing the money in process as already spent. So the 173.2 billion is from that site.

    You have absolutely no understanding of anything you’ve written today, and this is no exception. I’d explain it to you, but I might as well be speaking Aramaic, for all that you’d understand.

    Reading your stuff is like trying to make sense out of Caitlin Upton. If her IQ dropped 30 points.

  369. 369
    LD50 says:

    @SFAW:

    You Bush idolatrices have studiously ignored the destruction of Bush’s wars and tax cuts for seven or eight years, so it’s understandable that anytime someone tells you the truth about how he fucked up the economy and the country, you start shrieking about Obama-this or Obama-that, as if our attention span is as short as yours.

    The Republicans do look a lot better if it’s against the rules to discuss them, as Makewi seems to be advocating.

  370. 370
    SFAW says:

    The Republicans do look a lot better if it’s against the rules to discuss them, as Makewi seems to be advocating.

    Or if you close your eyes and ears.

    She’d have replied by now, but she’s trying to find out if “idolatrices” means she’s going to be on American Idol.

  371. 371
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Actually, she’s claiming that the website includes money “in process” as part of the total money “spent.”

    Which is interesting, because the terms “in process” and “spent” are ones used at the site I referenced, in a very specific way:

    Spent: Money that has actually been paid, leaving the government’s bank account and entering the economy.

    In Process: Money that has been committed to a certain project, but not yet paid out.


    ProPublica

  372. 372
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    Here is the Recovery.com site from the O administration.

    Look for the tab DISTRIBUTING AND REPORTING on front page. I believe it is moneys paid out. I don’t know if that means actually leaving the govments bank account, but that is where Makewi got the number I think.

  373. 373
    woody says:

    FDR
    Gandhi
    Teh Pope

  374. 374
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @LD50:

    Not just that, it’s completely nonresponsive to my very specific point that her calculations were faulty. And quite silly too.

  375. 375
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    I understand. But she was insisting that they arrived at the amount she quoted in a very specific way that isn’t evidenced in that particular graphic. Hence my question as to where she got that information.

  376. 376
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    PS to the General:

    I’ve given up trying to twist myself into a little pretzel figuring out someone else’s logic.

  377. 377
    Anne Laurie says:

    @Blue Raven:

    Now I’m wondering if there are good recipes for cheese pie.

    There’s an old Italian Christmas specialty made with ricotta. Much tastier than anything you’d want to feed to the godsdamned trolls!

  378. 378
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    I’ve given up trying to twist myself into a little pretzel figuring out someone else’s logic.

    Prolly wise. What Scarlett is doing is making a meta argument that Obama has failed to succeed. Without regard to any analysis of the nuances that exist. But if someone is going to do that, then they have to accept the meta starting point for the Obama administration. Which is, that there were a lot more job losses then than now. If your going to argue this way you also have to accept the premise that less bad equals success.

    Even if the meta numbers are still bad and in the negative. Dumb way to argue, but they are wingnuts.

  379. 379
    Makewi says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    6 million job losses in 2009. You live in a fantasy world.

    Everythings fine. It’s only 2 billion, certainly not 173.2. Look FOX NEWS!!!!!!!!!

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH

  380. 380
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    The problem being the coherent argument part.

  381. 381
    Mike in NC says:

    Scarlett is making a meta argument that Obama has failed to succeed. Without regard to any analysis of the nuances that exist.

    Wingnuts famously “don’t do nuance” (per Dubya). But Scarlett went nighty-night at curfew so as to avoid a whipping from the teabagger hubbie. See ya tomorrow, sweets!

  382. 382
    LD50 says:

    @Zuzu’s Petals: Makewi seems to have absorbed a very common Republican notion that if you’re more obnoxious than the person you’re arguing against, you’ve ‘won’ the argument.

  383. 383
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Makewi:

    I see you haven’t answered my question @ 364.

    Please be specific.

  384. 384
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Makewi:

    You better pace yourself. Yer showing signs of heebee jeebees.

  385. 385
    Makewi says:

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    On recovery.gov there is a bar graph that has the amount allocated and the amount spent. But then GWS already told you as much. If you add up the amount spent, it is 173.2 billion dollars. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it up with Obama.

  386. 386
    priscianus jr says:

    “Obama: A New Nebuchadnezzar?”

    http://drphred.blogspot.com/20.....ezzar.html

    “If Barak Obama is the new Nebuchadnezzar, we can expect to endure much tribulation in the next four years: Reversal of Constitutional rights, introduction of Marxist and Socialist principles, and removal of current levels of free speech subsumed under the pseudo heading of national security initiatives.”

    Hey, this is fun!

  387. 387
    chrome agnomen says:

    LEAVE….OBAMA….ALOOOOOOOONE!

  388. 388
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Makewi:

    Yes, you were quick to discover that the General did your homework for you.

    But if you had bothered to follow the thread, much less read my original question with comprehension as an object, you would know that I asked you exactly how you arrived at the conclusion that the site listed “money in process” as “money already spent.”

    Forcing others to do your homework for you again, eh? The recovery.gov site actually describes “Funds Paid Out” in its “Distributing and Reporting” graphic. Nothing about funds “spent” much less “we’re including ‘money in process’ in this amount.”

    Using your usual apples/oranges reasoning, you are taking terms specific to the ProPublica site and extrapolating to the numbers at the government site.

    You don’t explain – well let’s face it, you haven’t bothered to find out – how the government site arrives at its “Funds Paid Out” numbers. (Hint: start with the various definitions for “allocation, appropriation, award” etc. in the glossary)

    Given the clarity of the ProPublica distinction between funds committed but still in the government’s bank account, and funds actually paid out the government’s bank account, we have a very clear idea of the amount of money that has actually been RECEIVED and put to use.

    And then we get to the dishonesty of your claim. You see, one can’t really blame somebody for not creating jobs with money they haven’t gotten yet.

    Well, unless one is a ideological hack that is.

  389. 389
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    anideological hack

  390. 390
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    space

  391. 391
    DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal) says:

    You better pace yourself.

    No shit. MakeWee is two posts short of having made one out of every ten posts in this thread. I think ‘she’ is close to reaching critical ass and ‘she’ could blow any time.

    Hey! Why are you guys lining up?

  392. 392
    Steeplejack says:

    @Napoleon:

    Obama smokes so I am pretty sure he is exactly like Keith Richards.

    That is some good hoekstroika. Hoekstroika is my favorite wingnut thing.

    I can’t believe this thread is at 360+ comments. I have read down only to about 160. I don’t have the stamina tonight. I wish WordPress had a “show me only the comments I would really like” filter.

  393. 393
    SFAW says:

    6 million job losses in 2009. You live in a fantasy world.

    Yes, let’s look at that. The link you provided had a January ’09 vid of Nouriel Roubini predicting 6 million lost in 2009. So that’s based on Boooooosh’s economy, shit-for-brains.

    Actual (not predicted, idiot) job losses for 2009 through September were 4,137,000. The trend line for this year shows a decrease in the number of jobs lost each quarter; if the trend holds, the number of jobs lost in Q4 should be 250,000. Even if it worsens, so that 500,000 are lost, that will bring the annual total to approx. 4.65 million.

    Let’s see, 6 mil loss predicted based on Bush’s economy, minus 4.65 mil actual loss as a result of Obama’s policies, means Obama’s policies will have saved 1.35 million jobs that Bush’s economy would have otherwise lost. And that assumes that Roubini was using a conservative estimate. If you extrapolate the 2+ Million jobs lost in Q1 (i.e. the Boooooosh “Plan”) to the entire year, that 8+ Million jobs, vs. the 4.65 Million.

    So, imbecile, once again, your numbers are completely fucking wrong, you have no understanding of anything appearing on Recovery.org, and all your lying and disingenuous statements will not change the fact that the Booooosh economy was destroying the country, and Obama’s policies are only making things better.

    No doubt you will now explain to us how 1 + 1 = 12, and so forth. You really need to go back to Kindergarten, so you can start learning about numbers, dummy.

    OK, time for you to say “But-but-but-but $173.2 Billion”.

    Thanks for the comic relief. Here’s a quarter, now go buy a clue, will you?

  394. 394
    gwangung says:

    On recovery.gov there is a bar graph that has the amount allocated and the amount spent. But then GWS already told you as much. If you add up the amount spent, it is 173.2 billion dollars.

    This is a pretty lazy post, you know? That’s what’s so disappointing about you. You could make much stronger arguments if you bothered to read (that’s what the glossary is for, you know). As it is, it just looks like you’re grabbing whatever graphic is easiest to read and not understanding how the terms are defined.

    That’s why you’re getting called “shit for brains” because it’s rather insulting to the folks who’ve read recovery.org to throw up your arguments; it’s like you’re expecting people to react just to the words you’ve written and not expecting them to check out the original source material.

  395. 395
  396. 396
    forked tongue says:

    Here’s some Redstater on how Obama started out a little bit like Ishmael and Queequeg, but will end up like Ahab if he doesn’t let go of his monomaniacal obsession with healthcare reform.

  397. 397
    mclaren says:

    Folks, don’t feed the trolls.

    Seriously.

    Obama gets it. He has simply marginalized Limbaugh and Cheney and the other sociopathic trolls, and they are on their way out. They’re now reduced to leaping and gibbering and all but smearing feces on themselves to get attention…but nobody’s paying attention (except the 27% with diagnosable mental disorders).

    The best way to deal with these creeps like BOB is just ignore ’em. These people live to get you riled up. Their little hearts go pit-a-pat every time someone references one of their trollicious posts. They jump up and down in the seats yelping, “Someone’s talking about me! Someone’s talking about meeeeeeeee!”

    Just ignore ’em.

    When they post, just pass right over it, like a car passing over a speed bump. Pretty soon you won’t hear from those f*ckwits any more because they’ll realize you guys are no longer taking the bait and they’ll have moved on to a group of more gullible dupes to troll.

  398. 398
    SFAW says:

    Just ignore ‘em.

    Where’s the sport in that?

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