Seriously, WTF?

You know, when I used the phrase Banana Republicans in the past, I didn’t really think it would come to this:

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn’t mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.

[…]

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a “family intervention,” with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

I eagerly await the Fonzi of Freedom Nick Gillespie, Matt Welch, and the rest of the Reason crew explaining how it is the folks in the middle who are a threat to Democracy and our freedoms.

And seriously, this person was an official in two previous administrations (Johnson and Carter). At what point does this shit become unacceptable in the village?

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  1. 1
    bayville says:

    This guy was an official in the Johnson and Carter administrations, no less.
    He’s obviously been powerslaming the Pat Cadell-crazy juice since the 1970s though.

  2. 2
    Boots Day says:

    There’s no link given. Who wrote this piece of anti-American fantasy?

  3. 3
    Anon. says:

    Right. They’re actually advocating military coups in the US now, and calling them “civilized”.

    Well, it was predictable, at least if you’ve realized that the modern Republicans are essentially a fascist movement. I guess they’re just more pathetic than Hitler, who managed to get elected “legally”.

    I think these authoritarian clowns may have forgotten what happened when parts of *Russia’s* military intervened to “solve” their problem with the wildly popular Gorbachev.

  4. 4
    Moonbatting Average says:

    The central problem with Wingularity Theory, as it currently stands, is that sometimes stuff like this does make it beyond the Wingnut Event Horizon.

  5. 5
    WyldPiratd says:

    John Cole sez:

    And seriously, this person was an official in two previous administrations. At what point does this shit become unacceptable in the village?

    Jeez, john. You should know the answer to this. Even the “librul media” knows that the Rethugtards are the only real ‘Murkins and that the rest of us are merely subversives undermining the greatest country every conceived.

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    bayville says:

    @boots day

    John L. Perry wrote it for NewsMax. Forgot all about this crackpot until three hours ago.
    My guess is the white coats are circling his compound (again!) right about now.

  7. 7
    Gus says:

    What do you want to bet that the “Obama problem” is that he’s black.

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    amorphous says:

    Can we use the word “treasonous” here?

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    oclib says:

    military-trained, nation-builders

    this has been, continues to be and will always be an oxymoron….idiots….all of them….

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    Desert Rat says:

    And seriously, this person was an official in two previous administrations (Johnson and Carter) a Democrat in the same manner as Strom Thurmond.

    Fixed this for you.

    Sorry. However much I admire President Carter for what he’s done since leaving office, there were way too many unreformed segregationist Democrats a little too cozy with the Carter Administration to ever fully trust him.

  11. 11
    El Tiburon says:

    Well, if that uppity nig, er, I mean, if President Obama continues to grow out his Hitler mustache and kill everyone’s goddamn grandma, what the hell are we supposed to do?

    And why we’re at it, can someone have the same talk with Tiger Woods?

    Elections have consequences. Just so happens the consequence of this election is for whitey to go absolutely ape-shit.

    I really didn’t think it was possible for conservatives to get crazier than they did for Bill Clinton. We ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

  12. 12
    fliegr says:

    Wow. WTF is right. I’m one of those officers who would be expected to go along with/participate in this coup, and I was much more worried about El Presidente Boosh’s solid rogering of the Constitution than the current occupant, who doesn’t seem to be violating anything as far as I can see. As a matter of fact, I’d like to see the animals who decided the Geneva Conventions were archaic investigated, prosecuted and frog-marched. Baby steps I guess.

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    Justin says:

    @amorphous: The correct word is “sedition”. As in, “Die, you seditious fuck.”

  14. 14
    Ash Can says:

    Seriously, I think this is a symptom of some sort of dementia. Even if Perry is trying to avoid admitting a race-based aversion to Obama, this is simply beyond the limits of even the most virulent ODS. I honestly believe there’s something clinically wrong with him.

    And hey, Charlie at #2, that’s quite a handle ya got there. :)

  15. 15
    Mark S. says:

    Well, I must say, at least our traitors are civilized, unlike those Third World savages!

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    sapper says:

    Jezuz.

    Despite all those repeat watchings of Band of Brothers and Red Dawn, these people have ZERO understanding of the military or it’s motivations.

    “Hey, Private you can’t go to sick call this morning. We have to launch a coup save private health care insurance.”

  17. 17
    fliegr says:

    And I’m hoping OClib didn’t just call me an idiot…

  18. 18
    JenJen says:

    @El Tiburon:

    I really didn’t think it was possible for conservatives to get crazier than they did for Bill Clinton. We ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

    I totally agree, and that’s what worries me.

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    Annie says:

    This is beyond belief. He is someone who clearly doesn’t believe in the Constitution and the democratic process. That he would advocate a military coup, all the while insisting he is advocating to protect the republic is beyond nonsense.

    Where was he when the Bush administration chose to invade Iraq, wasted billions of dollars in the process, did not support the troops because billions of dollars were going to contractors that stole money instead of considering troop safety, tortured, etc.?

    Maybe he also should advocate a combined coup with the military and the religious right joining forces to establish a military theocracy, all the while saying they are doing it in the name of democracy.

    Can you imagine if progressives had advocated this during the Bush years???? Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, etc. would be going crazy.

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    wasabi gasp says:

    At least it’ll be bloodless and civilized, amirite? How Perry knows this, I dunno, but it sure makes me feel better about it.

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    salparadise says:

    This, “will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him,” is a nice touch.

    The thirty percenters desperately need to believe they see all the things in Obama that liberals saw in Bush – he’s not that smart, he’s a horrible speaker (except when the telepromter is working), someone else is telling him what to do, etc.

    It makes me laugh every time.

  23. 23
    Jay C says:

    At what point does this shit become unacceptable in the village?

    Just a guess, but The Village will probably deal with the “unacceptability” of this overheated Seven Days in May crap the same way they deal with any and all excesses: ignore them.

    Maybe that’s a not a bad idea, though to me, vicious mockery would be a better one….

  24. 24
    GregB says:

    Military Coup D’etat!

    It’s in the Constitution!

    Wolverines.

    -G

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    TR says:

    Who wrote this piece of anti-American fantasy?

    It’s called treason. And the asshole who wrote that can look forward to a visit from the Secret Service.

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    El Cid says:

    They’ve gotten all excited seeing their Reagan-era death squad buddies throwing Honduras’ President out of office, and their punditarian buddies agree that this was a coup for democracy, so, what the hell, why not try it here, right?

  27. 27
    Stooleo says:

    I think that Obama is an anathema to these assholes. Everyday that he and his administration exists just ratchets up the hate. As I said in an earlier thread, something seriously fucked up is going to happen in the next couple years. I’m getting the same sort of vibes there were before the Oklahoma City tragedy.

    I know the Balloon Juicers joke about the Wingnut Event Horizon and the wingularity, but consider,the last time there was so much right wing hate. The event horizon was crossed and the wingularity occurred at the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

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    Tim (The Oher One) says:

    Remember when Gene Wilder (as Young Frankenstein) implored his cohorts: “No matter what you may hear, or how I may scream, do NOT open that door!”

    Then, when confronted by his creation, he experiences an immediate change of heart. “Open the goddam door !!”.

    In much the same way, are we expected to believe (by virtue of such ridiculous shit articles) that the vast majority of Independents and/or Republican “traitors” who voted for Pres. Obama suddenly went: “OMG, I voted for a BLACK guy !!”

    I think not. The crazies are still around 23%. They’re just noisy as shit.

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    Michael says:

    Here’s my prediction, should such an event come to pass – dead generals, dead soldiers, dead wingnuts, dead villagers.

    They can wave their filthy jesus mythbooks and flags all they want – people won’t give a shit. Hell, I’ll personally go out of my way to find a foreign power to betray a wingnuttified America to – occupation would be preferable.

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    Ed Marshall says:

    Wow, this is almost verbatim the sort of stuff the Venezuelan media was starting to put out about six months before the 2002 coup. When Beck starts telling people “it’s time to start thinking about a transition, Obviously without Obama” my hair is going to stand up.

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    superking says:

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t recall anyone calling for a military overthrow of the Bush administration . . .

    How is it possible that anyone who criticized Bush was a traitor to the country and with the terrorists, but the same people can call for a military coup in the name of being patriotic.

    As Yakov would say, What a country!

  32. 32

    One would have to wonder where the basis for this over-heated imagination came from. I’m real unsure where the Constitutional basis for this coup is, the coup that protects the Constitution.

    As far as the Village goes it does pay to remember that the publisher of this tripe is NewsMax, that is who is willing to pay this cretin to type.

  33. 33
    MJ says:

    I can’t believe what I am reading! But it sure looks like this crazy mofo is trying to lay out justification for a muthafrakin military coup. Am I overreacting here, or should one of us be forwarding a copy of this seditious bullsh!t to the Secret Service?

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    Andre says:

    At what point does this shit become unacceptable in the village?

    I think the correct answer is “When America becomes a military dictatorship” followed quickly by “Wait, I see what you did there!”

  35. 35
    Michael says:

    Speaking of the crazies, none of them have realized what would happen to the economy should any of their little wet dreams come to full product.

    There won’t be any profits for bonuses, nor ginormous rakeoffs for insurers and providers to shovel into dump trucks. Medicare will be gone for seniors (which will enable me to smile a bit as I fight off the libertarian rape gangs – the thought of starving right wing seniors gives me wood).

  36. 36
    Jack says:

    Don’t much care for the Neo-Clintonism of Obama.

    Really despise the treason in defense of treason that is modern movement conservatism.

    This is acceptable discourse for a chunk of the country. Acceptable discourse, ferchrissakes.

    Sometimes, content with schadenfreude, I think we ought to pull back north of the Mason-Dixon, and west of the Rockies, and let them descend into skull-numbing superstitious barbarism.

    And then I remember what happens when religious nuts get their hands on explosives and cell phones and aircraft and soldiers who take orders in the name of Jeebus, and I wonder why I ever had kids…

  37. 37
    TR says:

    How is it possible that anyone who criticized Bush was a traitor to the country and with the terrorists, but the same people can call for a military coup in the name of being patriotic.

    Showing up at a tax-payer funded political rally for the president with another political candidate’s bumper sticker on your car is treason.

    Forcibly removing the elected president from office and replacing him with a military junta is the highest form of patriotism.

    You know, as long as the first president is a Republican and the second one is a Democrat.

  38. 38
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    I think this is a good place to drop this:

    Circle Jerks: Coup d’Etat

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    jl says:

    I’m not worried about a military coup. Heck, the military went along with Bush and Cheney, who were going to get all the military killed over paranoid fever dreams and lies.

    But, the drift of the wingnuts is ugly.

    What I worry about is if the Democrats mess up enough so that these nutballs regain power, that could get ugly. And I would not count on the military to step in to stop them, and would not want the military to step in even then. But, it might be a real mess.

    The 75% to 80% of the population that is sane seem to be unswayed by these hateful nutjobs. And they are nutjobs. They lost an election and are talking coup against an overly moderate and cautious administration that makes Truman and Eisenhower look like soshulistcommiepinkoHitlertotalitarian evildoers.

  40. 40
    JK says:

    Seriously fucked up column.

    Even scarier than Perry’s column, is the fact that he has an impressive resume which makes his delusional rant all the more depressing.

    In addition to his service in the Johnson and Carter administrations which bayville points out, Perry has credentials which one would normally associate with a sane, rational person:

    The Associated Press Managing Editors Association named Perry one of the 12 best newsroom managers among the AP’s member newspapers.

    He worked as an editor or reporter for several daily newspapers, including the Tampa Tribune, the St. Petersburg Times, the Buffalo Evening News and the Clearwater Sun.

    He holds a master’s degree from Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism

    He was an academic fellow at the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions in Santa Barbara, Calif.

    Source: http://www.newsmax.com/john_perry/bio

  41. 41
    Ed Marshall says:

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t recall anyone calling for a military overthrow of the Bush administration

    I was going to say Thomas Sowell did

    After re-reading it, I guess it more like a 2007 warm-up for the next administration.

  42. 42
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    And also this:

    Ani DiFranco: Hello Birmingham

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    Comrade Mary says:

    Just a guess, but The Village will probably deal with the “unacceptability” of this overheated Seven Days in May crap the same way they deal with any and all excesses: ignore them.

    My guess is that at least part of The Village will see all this talk as yet another sign that Obama is weak and/or polarizing and/or simply incapable of leading the country.

    And they will be concerned. Very, very concerned.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    think it would come to this:

    Why? The only thing that has kept this country half way glued together are shared tragedies, usually world wars and the bonding of the last one is wearing off. America has always been two different countries with the one writing the document we live by and the other left seething in resentment because they really really don’t like it, nor believe in many of the tenants forced upon them.

    Now Obama comes along and brings out the long held anger partly because of his skin color and partly because he actually believes and pays homage to that document of understanding.

    And his is a liberal interpretation of a liberal constitution and it makes the long disgruntled mainly southerners see red and eyeball their guns. It is going to get worse before it gets better, if it gets better, and will start off with little rebellions like a state or two passing a law citing a tenth amendment claim and refuse to go along with a federal mandate. Whether it gets to a civil war I sort of doubt, but who the frack really knows. The 2010 elections will tell us more about how deep this goes, and it promises to be a wingnut freak show like none other so far.

  45. 45
    SpotWeld says:

    It was on a recent discussion of the show House that it was mentioned that people suffering from delusions can be confronted with the reality that contradicts their fantasy. It is noted… Logically, you would think that showing someone that their beliefs are wrong would break the delusion — but by definition, delusions aren’t logical. The mind is very facile and will find a way to keep the delusion despite the evidence.

    What this article represents is exactly that sort of facility in insanity. Frankly Obama’s presidency (while certainly not perfect) has been better in pretty much every measure aspect for the US than Bush’s when compared to the same time period. Specifically, there has been no terrorists attack such as Bush’s 9/11. In fact recent news shows the arrest of a alleged terrorist.

    Obama is not being universally derided and is actually pretty popular. This flies in the face of the far-right fantasy that he would be “boo’d out of office in shame”.

    So this new twist is developed, strong (manly) military men are quietly preparing to validate the Right Wing fantasy.

    That will fail also.. and a new twist will develop to make the delusion all the more complex.

    My guess it’ll be that the US military has been suborned by Communists in league with Iran are selling out the US for um… to sap out precious essences.

  46. 46
    Anne Laurie says:

    when I used the phrase Banana Republicans in the past…

    Obviously this needs to be in the Lexicon, Mr. Cole, along with the scatological definition of ‘Movement Republican’. I would take care of this myself, if only I could access the Edit function again…

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    Marked Hoosier says:

    When republicans win = elections have consequences!
    When republicans lose = time for a coup!

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    The Dangerman says:

    He lost me at “bloodless coup”; says fucking who? The majority – ya know, the ones that voted for Obama and still support him even after all the “death panel” bullshit- have guns, too. These fucking idiots talking about a coup will be the first to get popped.

    I can feel it coming, too. The crazies have been playing it at 11 and are turning it up; it can’t happen to Obama (assuming the Secret Service is both excellent and loyal), so it’s only a matter of where and when. Luckily, most federal “targets” have been hardened after 9/11; I would think OKC can’t happen again.

  49. 49
    TR says:

    My guess is that at least part of The Village will see all this talk as yet another sign that Obama is weak and/or polarizing and/or simply incapable of leading the country.

    Exactly. If traitors to this country draw guns on the president, the Broders of the world will tut-tut that this is another sign that he hasn’t done enough to reach across the aisle.

  50. 50
    dadanarchist says:

    Please.

    This is the typical wingnut view of the military, that it is somehow more pure and more patriotic than the population as a whole. The US military would never take part in a coup.

    This is typical wingnut toughguyism: masturbating himself with dreams of manly men taking control of the affairs of state.

  51. 51
    anonevent says:

    This is another reason I have reluctantly started taking their advice and started buying guns and ammo, to defend against them.

  52. 52
    Anne Laurie says:

    @Mark S.:

    Well, I must say, at least our traitors are civilizedwhite Christianists, unlike those Third World savages!

    Fixted for proper wingnut useage.

  53. 53
    PaulW says:

    Seriously. Did anyone with a background in government work like this guy ever openly op-ed for a coup during the Bush the Lesser years?

    I know that for all the crap that Clinton went through, I never heard the GOP talk ‘coup’. The wingnuts talked ‘impeachment’ and that’s what they did, but still, they kept it legal, within the realm of sanity. This stuff???

    What. The. FUCK.

    “America isn’t the Third World.” True. But *ANY* coup and we might as well be.

    What. The. FUCK.

  54. 54
    bcinaz says:

    F. Yeah! a Constitutional Military Coup!

    They seem so entitled, don’t they. They have to deal with the ‘Obama Problem’ and take back America, and carry guns to presidential events

    Yet, there is no way a black Democrat won the 2008 election – No Way, and they just have to right that wrong.

    Th fastest way to force the wingnuts to self-destruct:

    Pass healthcare reform, put teeth in the Climate Change Bill, fiercely regulate banks and insurance companies, pass strong consumer protection laws, kick out the blue dogs and elect real democrats in 2010, and get Obama re-elected in 2012.

  55. 55
    TuiMel says:

    John Cole: Seriously, WTF?

    This person cannot be taken seriously. He makes (among others) the mistake of thinking that his little bloodless coup fantasy is shared by more the tiny minority that makes up his fellow fringers. That is not to say that his writing is not poisonous. It is, and if this BS metastasizes beyond Newsmax to larger platforms, it should be denounced as such.
    This was particularly precious:

    Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

    Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

    In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass

    I waited eight effing years for an election to undo the Bush restoration, Mr. Perry. If you think I and others who truly believe in the Constitution will feel rescued by the fantasy scenario in which you indulge, you are seriously mistaken. Seriously.

  56. 56
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    You know, when I used the phrase Banana Republicans in the past, I didn’t really think it would come to this:

    Yeah, well Ward Churchill and Jane Fonda, motherfuckers. So there.

  57. 57

    This fucknut is having flashbacks to that glorious day Wallace called out the Alabama National Guard.

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    Ailuridae says:

    @Ash Can:

    Err there is no way John L Perry of all people can claim this isn’t race based.

    http://archive.newsmax.com/arc.....4143.shtml

  59. 59
    donovong says:

    sedition:
    A noun
    1 sedition: an illegal action inciting resistance to lawful authority and tending to cause the disruption or overthrow of the government .

    Fucking bastard needs to be tossed in Leavenworth.

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    Martin says:

    At what point does this shit become unacceptable in the village?

    When it stops selling newspapers.

    SATSQ.

  61. 61
    jwb says:

    @dadanarchist: Well, the Air Force is wingnutty enough that it might support a coup, but fortunately it is the least important branch for actually pulling one off.

  62. 62
    TuiMel says:

    @TuiMel:

    Para beginning Unthinkable also s/b block quote. I obviously couldn’t figure it out.

  63. 63
    Corner Stone says:

    @Jack:

    and I wonder why I ever had kids…

    Night Train?

  64. 64
    Chaz says:

    Reading that thing gave me cognitive dissonance so bad that for a few seconds there I was seeing double. That crazy is so bad it’s infectious, and it ought to carry a warning label.

  65. 65
    AkaDad says:

    What else are supposed to do when Obama is the black Neville Chamberlain?

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @jwb:

    Yes, by many accounts the Air Force has become The Jesus Branch of the military, but luckily it would be hard to storm and occupy a White House with a plane.

  67. 67
    apistat says:

    Brilliant. The first thing I think of when someone says “restore and defend the constitution” is a the military taking over day to day operations of the government through a coup.

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    Michael says:

    I’m sure some people making up a fine post coup list of names and addresses to visit, concentrating on those located in New York and Connecticut and northern VA.

    Were their desired event to happen, they’d better be beating feet to Dallas, Oklahoma City, Huntville and Columbia, just to try and hope that they have a fighting chance of avoiding the consequences they deserve.

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    El Cid says:

    By the way, as a person following the Honduran crisis very, very closely, I’m not exaggerating when I say Lou Dobbs is using the exact same rhetoric used by Honduran coup cheerleaders.

    I don’t know who his connection is with Honduran coup-boosters, but, really, this is the exact same rhetoric used by the Honduran military and the pro-coup members of the Congress of Honduras.

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    Morbo says:

    This is what worries me the most about… well, basically anything by Jeff Sharlett. The intersection of Divine Right of Kings C-street Republicans and the Crusader contingent of the military really does bring to my mind a military helicopter dropping Obama off in Kenya in his pajamas.

  71. 71
    Honus says:

    “Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders”
    The same ones that rebuilt Iraq into a non-violent orderly, smoothly-running democratic paradise?

  72. 72
    General Winfield Stuck says:

    When the wingers get the memo to start the coup they will likely just start killing all the stray chickens in their yard, and call it a day.

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    Mike in NC says:

    This NewsMax assclown is late to the party. Our own beloved B.O.B. has been posting for months about how a coup will occur if the JCS and CINCs aren’t permitted to inspect the long form birth certificate. ZZZZzzzzz…

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    Martin says:

    Yes, by many accounts the Air Force has become The Jesus Branch of the military, but luckily it would be hard to storm and occupy a White House with a plane.

    They went for the Air Force because that’s where the accessible nukes are. Don’t want any unbelievers getting in the way of the rapture, you know.

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    amorphous says:

    @Martin: Didn’t newspapers stop selling like 7 years ago?

    alternative comment:
    “Newz-pay-per?”

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    Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him

    Translation: Teh JOOS!

    And … Mr. Perry doesn’t appear to have a Wiki page.

    Yet.

    Not that I mean anything by that.

    I’m just sayin’.

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    This already happened. In 1963. I know, I know. You say if it really happened you would have noticed. Or the media would have reported it. Or things would have been different.

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    John Cooper says:

    One word review: Traitor

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    Ash Can says:

    @Ailuridae: Oh, to be sure. But I also think there’s a dementia issue on top of that. I mean, really — there are no code words, no dog whistles, nothing but extreme seditious fantasy. Especially given his basically respectable CV, I really think something went “sproing” in his head somewhere along the line.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Bob In Pacifica:

    Seven Days In May. good flick.

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    Martin says:

    “Newz-pay-per?”

    Yeah.

    Hell, I almost wonder if these guys don’t get enough ad views to keep the organization running just through outraged liberals linking to them. There are crazier business strategies out there.

  82. 82
    Brick Oven Bill says:

    It will be the United States Marine Corps.

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    Xenos says:

    @Jack: It is an excellent time for having kids – kids who have ethics, real morals, who think for themselves, who know how to stand up for what is right.

    Think of it as a quiver-full of red diaper babies, raised to get government jobs and to then tax and regulate the shit out of the banksters and the red state creeps. Smart kids can grow up to be the wingnuts’ worst nightmare – liberals with a badge.

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    anonevent says:

    @The Dangerman: I also think, though, that all of their talking is like the scene from “Night at the Museum” where the two little figures are letting air out of the tires. When you look at them, they look like they’re fighting a hurricane. When the camera backs up, nothing. I think that’s what most people, not us, see: nothing.

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    calipygian says:

    @El Cid: By the way, as a person following the Honduran crisis very, very closely, I’m not exaggerating when I say Lou Dobbs is using the exact same rhetoric used by Honduran coup cheerleaders.

    I don’t know who his connection is with Honduran coup-boosters, but, really, this is the exact same rhetoric used by the Honduran military and the pro-coup members of the Congress of Honduras.

    I was about to point that out, but you beat me to it.

    Fuck it, I’m buying a gun.

  86. 86
    Xenos says:

    @Brick Oven Bill: I know a few Marines who would beat the everlasting crap out of you if you ever dared to say such a thing to their face.

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    Deborah says:

    @Stooleo: Beck specifically warned his followers back in August not to pull a McVeigh. But his reasoning was not “killing people is wrong, and we’re not killers” or even “mass murder would turn people against us and undermine the cause.” It was “if someone goes McVeigh they’ll use that as the excuse for the crackdown.”

    @46 All of your edit functions are belonging to us now.

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    calipygian says:

    @Martin: Yes, by many accounts the Air Force has become The Jesus Branch of the military, but luckily it would be hard to storm and occupy a White House with a plane.

    Not only that, all you would have to do is close the base golf course, double them up in the dorms (yes, the USAF calls them dorms and not barracks) and take away their TDY per diem and those pussies would be too busy trying to get the sand out their vaginas to pull a coup.

    (go navy!)

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    It will be the United States Marine Corps.

    Nope, Them Jarheads have a code that outranks Baby Jeevus.

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    Annie says:

    I am so stunned that i keep reading Perry’s post over and over. Each time i read it i keep thinking it can’t say what it does say. Is this what conservatives think is responsible discourse? Is this what they hope will happen? Is this what they think is responsible discourse? To remove a democratically elected President through a military coup all in the name of saving democracy? I worry how many people will read this and agree. I worry how many conservatives will read this and think this is reasonable. I will wait and see if any conservatives trash his post. I fear I will be waiting a very long time. It is one thing to oppose a President’s policies. It is another thing altogether to believe the path to opposing policy is through a military coup. The opposition is insane.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Air Force has become The Jesus Branch of the military, but luckily it would be hard to storm and occupy a White House with a plane.

    Especially if it’s raining and those billion dollar B-2 stealth bombers are unable to leave their hangers. Everybody muster on the golf course at 0830!

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    ds says:

    In a few months all the serious “centrists” will be advocating a compromise solution where Obama agrees to give all his power away to a panel of Republicans in military costumes, and the wingnuts agree not to blow up any federal buildings.

    Anything less would be outright partisan!

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    TR says:

    I know a few Marines who would beat the everlasting crap out of you if you ever dared to say such a thing to their face.

    Same here. Put another branch of the military into your fascist fantasies, BOB. One that doesn’t actually love this country.

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    Michael says:

    They went for the Air Force because that’s where the accessible nukes are. Don’t want any unbelievers getting in the way of the rapture, you know.

    The duty is clean and easy, too. None of that mud crawling.

    And BOB, you might be able to put about a company of traitors together, and they’ll do some damage, but in the end, they’ll either wind up shot or hung, as will their facilitators.

    Beck and Limbaugh had best be reading up on Marat’s fate before they make such stirring pleas that come to some level of fruition.

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    calipygian says:

    @General Winfield Stuck:
    Nope, Them Jarheads have a code that outranks Baby Jeevus.

    Get one of each service standing in a room and chances are the atheist will be one of Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children.

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    Jeffro says:

    Commencing countdown to sustained false equivalence from right-wing Perry defenders in 3, 2, 1…

    Because we all remember how liebruls were calling for a coup after everything Bush did to genuinely trample the constitution, right? Right? From behind our fenced-in “Free Speech Zones” miles away from wherever Dubya was speaking to pre-screened Republican audiences (paid for with tax dollars,of course), it was all-coup, all the time from the DFHs…

    IOKIYAR indeed.

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    Mike G says:

    Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders

    Yes, if there’s one phrase I associate with Republicans after six years of the Iraq clusterfuck, it’s “skilled nation-builders”.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @calipygian:

    The Army base I was stationed at sat next to a small AF base. We lived in crumbling barracks in giant bays and ate cheeseburgers every damn day, except when we got liver and onions left over from WW2. The AF had dorms with two man rooms, and sometimes we’d sneak into their chow hall that had fixings fit for a Prince. Pussies, yup.

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    JK says:

    @calipygian:

    LOL. Best comment on the thread.

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    calipygian says:

    @General Winfield Stuck: When I was in Bosnia, the only service people that got substandard housing allowance for living in a two man connex were USAF. Pussies, yup.

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    dadanarchist says:

    @jwb: Well, the Air Force is wingnutty enough that it might support a coup, but fortunately it is the least important branch for actually pulling one off.

    What worries me more than any entire branch of the military or the Joint Chiefs or whatever staging a coup – most of them seem to possess a deep and abiding faith in civil control of the military, beyond a few wingnuts – is that some isolated unit led by some Ralph Peters-type might mutiny and that the media, being the horde of craven pussies they are, would immediately bend over backwards to welcome our new Blood n’ Guts Overlords. Despite their lack of either popular support, tactical superiority or, you known, legitimacy.

    Seriously, a fucking army toilet-digging detail could mutiny at a garrison in Germany and Mark Halperin would be twatting his fealty to our new military ruling junta before they could wipe the shit off their shoes.

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    Martin says:

    I know a few Marines who would beat the everlasting crap out of you if you ever dared to say such a thing to their face.

    Shit, I’ve got a whole family of marines, army, and navy vets that would beat the shit out of you for suggesting the idea. Since a fair number of them were 9/11 first responders as well, they’re likely to set you on fire before they start just to make sure you get the point.

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    Jack says:

    @Xenos:

    Truth, and we raise ours as well as we can. But moral children with their humanity in tact (those not likely to join up for a Crusade) are still so much fodder for the Very Much Crazies who do the foot soldiering for the Movement.

    Christianists, like Wahhabists and Kahanists, have a whole bunch of hells they’d like to populate with me and mine, and most likely you and yours.

    And the fact that our kids are less likely to get their juice with some coded race speech, or gay bashing, or ersatz populist rage doesn’t really mean squat when the new lynch mobs of the revived Birthed Nation go a’hunting “domestic enemies.”

    Call me jaded, but I expect nothing but the worst from movement conservatives, and the level weakest from Democrats who really ought to know better.

    Never mind the so-called liberal press…

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    dadanarchist says:

    @Michael: Beck and Limbaugh had best be reading up on Marat’s fate before they make such stirring pleas that come to some level of fruition.

    Srsly, where is Charlotte Corday when you need her?

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    calipygian says:

    There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.”

    Is there a “Final Solution” to the “Obama problem”?

    Not that I’m trying to Godwin up the thread or nuthin’…

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    Jack says:

    @dadanarchist:

    Smedley Butler stopped one. MacArthur almost got one. Object lessons?

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    kay says:

    “Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.”

    Weasel.

    They’re all such fake tough guys.

    Did Glen Beck ever gather his courage and tell us all what he means when he says “white culture”, or is he still squirming under Katie Couric’s steely-eyed, imperious gaze?

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    calipygian says:

    @Jack: Is Petraeus Smedley Butler or Gen Mac?

    Maybe we’ll find out…

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    Ryan says:

    You know who else staged a coup? Hitler.

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    fliegr says:

    I’m fine being one of those pussies that brings the hate when the Army starts squawking about too many guys shooting at them. Close Air Support, when you’re all out of hooah. And BOB, there aren’t enough Marines to control one medium sized American city, much less if you sift the traitors from the rest. Another bong rip for you my friend.

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    Jack says:

    @calipygian:

    calipygian, I’ve got my money on Petraeus as the GOP dark horse, in 2012. He’s probably smart enough to stay away from wannabe Brutuses. Hell, he’s smart enough to undercut Obama whenever he gets the opportunity.

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    calipygian says:

    @fliegr: Hey, I’m all for special air delivery of the HE when the Army is out of the Hooah.

    JK, cute interservice rivalry, right? :)

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    b-psycho says:

    “Fundamental change”? Where?

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @fliegr:

    LOL point taken.

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    freelancer says:

    51% majority and loss of the popular vote = Mandate

    More votes than any candidate in American History = unconstitutional.

    Got it.

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    calipygian says:

    @Ryan:

    You know who else staged a coup an Olympic Games? Hitler.

    Fixed.

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    fliegr says:

    @largebehind: Well, I started Navy, so that’s where my real loyalties lie, but the checks right now are AF colored. Does that make me a cross-dresser? And how big is the behind?

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    @Ryan:

    You know who else staged a coup? Hitler.

    Obama did worse, He got himself elected while black.

    Sometimes the irony piles up so deep, you need wings to stay above it.

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    gnomedad says:

    @calipygian:

    Fuck it, I’m buying a gun.

    I should be careful what I wish for, but I’ve wondered what we’d hear from the wingers if a “liberals are arming themselves” meme got going.

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    Ben says:

    Time for reasonable people to grab an anarchists cookbook and start taking out the right wing traitors.

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    Xenos says:

    @Jack: Yeah, I am probably far too glib. I live in perhaps the most blue part of of the bluest state – and the kids I meet (my kids’ friends) are really smart, earnest, tolerant, nice kids. I would like to think that the next generation as a whole is really like that, which is the sort of sentimental foolishness that I should know better than to indulge in.

    What’s more, my kids have Canadian and a European citizenship, and I am on the verge of moving them out of the country for the next few years (for personal and career reasons, not political ones). I do get the feeling, generally, that it may be a good time to take the young ones and scat for a while. Both of my grandfathers were fairly racist ultra-conservative Republicans in their day, and they would be freaked out by what that part of the country has become in the last decade.

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    Jack says:

    I think that we need to remember that this is War Porn for conservatarians, not a likelihood.

    It reveals their desires, not their connection to a practical reality.

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    jl says:

    Marine Corps! Booyah! They will get it done. They will restore the Christianist Constitutional Republic.

    I believe it was Mairne Corps Major General “The Fighting Quaker” and “Old Gimlet Eye” two time Medal of Honor winner Smedley Butler (Major General Sir!, to you) who ratted out some reactionary rich fart coup plotting during the New Deal.

    After Bush and Cheney, what military officer in his or her right mind would plot a coup against Obama?

    They would have to remove Biden, Pelosi, Byrd, and (Gah!) Hillary too. That would fly with the public.

    Then remove Geithner (what would Wall Street say?) Then the turncoat commie Gates (double Gah!, they way he is going after the M-I complex) and then Holder (another one of those people, if you know what I mean). Then Salazar (a double whammy there).

    I guess they would put in Boykin, which would turn the US into Iran.

    This would make a nice comedy screenplay. I thought of it first, and will sue if any varmints here steal the idea.

    Edit: Butler’s wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

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    linda says:

    this is really worth reading:

    The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012
    CHARLES J. DUNLAP, JR.

    http://www.woodrow.org/teacher.....rigins.pdf

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    Svensker says:

    @Mike G:

    Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders

    Ayup. Sounds like the guy had been reading his tattered old Heinleins too hard.

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    TR says:

    Time for reasonable people to grab an anarchists cookbook and start taking out the right wing traitors.

    No, I think it’s time that all these right-wing assholes who mocked Democrats for favoring a “law-enforcement approach” to the terrorist threat finally get to see what that looks like up close.

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    Jody says:

    John, John, John…

    Don’t you understand? Michael Moore just released a film revealing the mind boggling corruption behind our current financial system. Therefore it’s only fair and correct that someone on the right call for a military overthrowing of Obama.

    It’s called balance.

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    Jack says:

    @linda:

    Linda, I typed that title into my browser, because I don’t open pdf files randomly, and it came up the original site, a couple of forums, and a notorious White Nationalism site.

    What gives? Is it a pro- piece?

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    dadanarchist says:

    gnomedad: @gnomedad: I should be careful what I wish for, but I’ve wondered what we’d hear from the wingers if a “liberals are arming themselves” meme got going.

    Even better: “Negroes With Guns” by Robert Williams

    I’ve long advocated mass printing Williams’ sadly out-of-print classic and distributing it widely just to watch winguts shit themselves in fear.

    Since they can’t read, happily there is now a documentary film of Williams’ classic tract.

    Might accidentally bring on Limbaugh’s long wished for race war, however.

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    Ed Marshall says:

    I think that we need to remember that this is War Porn for conservatarians, not a likelihood.

    Yeah, this reads like nostalgia for the Bush years. I think we find it more fun to fear and dread these people than notice that we have driven these morons so far out of striking distance of power that they are reduced to masturbatory fantasies about a coup de etat.

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    me says:

    Ayup. Sounds like the guy had been reading his tattered old Heinleins too hard.

    They can build all the nations they want as long as I get a powered armor suit.

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    I should be careful what I wish for, but I’ve wondered what we’d hear from the wingers if a “liberals are arming themselves” meme got going.

    The sound of big girl panties overflowing.

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    valdivia says:

    Have not read the thread comments yet but will start by saying Holly Fucking Shit.

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    I should be careful what I wish for, but I’ve wondered what we’d hear from the wingers if a “liberals are arming themselves” meme got going.

    The sound of big girl panties overflowing.

    Clean up on aisle 7!

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    Llelldorin says:

    @TR:

    No, I think it’s time that all these right-wing assholes who mocked Democrats for favoring a “law-enforcement approach” to the terrorist threat finally get to see what that looks like up close.

    This. All it takes is watching them until they finally cross the line and order up fertilizer and hydrogen peroxide, then introducing them to the finer provisions of the Patriot Act.

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    Comrade Darkness says:

    A “patriotic” coup. In a democracy. Right. Meds needs adjusting. Something. The guy’s totally buried in fantasy, dreaming out loud about his America the Beautiful snuff film fetish. Something certifiable for sure.

    Come on, the military is going to f*cking blow their entire wad over, exactly what? We the People getting the same government run health care every lowly military grunt themselves already have? Jesus Christ frozen in a popsicle stick, the guy’s a first rate idiot. Does that make any f*cking sense as a war charge?

    The military brass are even more tired of open ended impossible missions as everyone else is. They got real shit to worry about that’s bigger than any private enterprise, short of maybe Boeing, has to deal with day in and day out, and new adventures from idiots at the top is one glorious thing they don’t have to worry about right now. Bush was a nightmare for everyone. Don’t overlook that.

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    asiangrrlMN says:

    Huh. Why am I not surprised? Oh yeah, because they’re out of their fucking minds, so this is par the course. Yes, I have poutrage fatigue.

    I gotta add that I think the guy lost something in his brain, specifically related to a black guy being prez.

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    freelancer says:

    @gnomedad:

    I’ve wondered what we’d hear from the wingers if a “liberals are arming themselves” meme got going.

    They’d start a scorched-earth campaign to repeal the 2nd amendment provided the legislation has a grandfather clause in it for wingers who already own guns.

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    calipygian says:

    @linda: I remember the outrage when this came out. Now, he looks like a precient balloon juice commenter.

    Clearly, the curious tapestry of military authoritarianism and combat ineffectiveness that
    we see today was not yet woven in 1992. But the threads were there. Knowing what I
    know now, here’s the advice I would have given the War College Class of 1992 had I
    been their graduation speaker:
    • Demand that the armed forces focus exclusively on indisputably military duties.
    We must not diffuse our energies away from our fundamental responsibility for
    warfighting. To send ill-trained troops into combat makes us accomplices to
    murder.
    • Acknowledge that national security does have economic, social, educational, and
    environmental dimensions, but insist that this doesn’t necessarily mean the
    problems in those areas are the responsibility of the military to correct. Stylishly
    designating efforts to solve national ills as “wars” doesn’t convert them into
    something appropriate for the employment of military forces.

    • Readily cede budgetary resources to those agencies whose business it is to
    address the non-military issues the armed forces are presently asked to fix. We
    are not the DEA, EPA, Peace Corps, Department of Education, or Red Cross–nor
    should we be. It has never been easy to give up resources, but in the long term
    we–and the nation–will be better served by a smaller but appropriately focused
    military.

    • Divest the defense budget of perception-skewing expenses. Narcotics interdiction,
    environmental cleanup, humanitarian relief, and other costs tangential to actual
    combat capability should be assigned to the budgets of DEA, EPA, State, and so
    forth. As long as these expensive programs are hidden in the defense budget, the
    taxpayer understandably–but mistakenly–will continue to believe he’s buying
    military readiness.
    • Continue to press for the elimination of superfluous, resource-draining Guard
    and Reserve units. Increase the training tempo, responsibilities, and compensation
    of those that remain.
    • Educate the public to the sophisticated training requirements occasioned by the
    complexities of modern warfare. It’s imperative we rid the public of the
    misperception that soldiers in peacetime are essentially unemployed and therefore
    free to assume new missions.[94]
    • Resist unification of the services not only on operational grounds, but also
    because unification would be inimical to the checks and balances that underpin
    democratic government. Slow the pace of fiscally driven consolidation so that the
    impact on less quantifiable aspects of military effectiveness can be scrutinized.
    • Assure that officer accessions from the service academies correspond with overall
    force reductions (but maintain separate service academies) and keep ROTC on a
    wide diversity of campuses. If necessary, resort to litigation to maintain ROTC
    campus diversity.

    • Orient recruiting resources and campaigns toward ensuring that all echelons of
    society are represented in the military, without compromising standards.
    [95]
    Accept that this kind of recruiting may increase costs. It’s worth it.
    • Work to moderate the base-as-an-island syndrome by providing improved
    incentives for military members and families to assimilate into civilian
    communities. Within the information programs for our force of all-volunteer
    professionals (increasingly US-based), strengthen the emphasis upon such themes
    as the inviolability of the Constitution, ascendancy of our civilian leadership over
    the military, and citizens’ responsibilities.

    Finally, I would tell our classmates that democracy is a fragile institution that must be
    continuously nurtured and scrupulously protected.
    I would also tell them that they must
    speak out when they see the institution threatened; indeed, it is their duty to do so.
    Richard Gabriel aptly observed in his book To Serve with Honor that
    when one discusses dissent, loyalty, and the limits of military obligations, the central
    problem is that the military represents a threat to civil order not because it will usurp
    authority, but because it does not speak out on critical policy decisions. The soldier fails
    to live up to his oath to serve the country if he does not speak out when he sees his
    civilian or military superiors executing policies he feels to be wrong.

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    JK says:

    @asiangrrlMN:

    poutrage fatigue

    That’s catchy. Is that an asiangrrlMN original?

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    Donald G says:

    In 1964, Rod Serling scripted “Seven Days in May” about an attempted military coup against the President of the United States.

    In 1972, Rod Serling scripted “The Man”, a movie about the first black President of the United States.

    Today at NewsMax, John L. Perry calls for a military coup against the President of the United States, who happens to be black.

    Truly, we are living in “The Twilight Zone”.

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    Fulcanelli says:

    Nothing going on with this Perry asshole a few ounces of lead moving at high velocity wouldn’t fix. Also.

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    TR says:

    All it takes is watching them until they finally cross the line and order up fertilizer and hydrogen peroxide, then introducing them to the finer provisions of the Patriot Act.

    Yep. Just like they did in those stings recently.

    The trials will be delicious — “rule of law” isn’t just something you shout when the president gets a blowjob, wingnuts — but the best part will be watching the guys who tried to bring down the first black president get thrown into gen-pop in Federal Pound You in the Ass Prison.

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    Jack says:

    @Ed Marshall:

    I never count out crazy. Sharon was PM of Israel once, and Bibi is on his second go at getting lots of Arabs and Jews killed. But, otherwise, you type a solid truth. We can have a laugh at the normalization of true crazy in winger circles, because it is a circle jerk of crazy.

    Of course, that doesn’t save the Tillers and random census workers, or their families, the pain and heartache of proto-fascist discontent.

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    linda says:

    @Jack:

    yikes, i’d never seen that. i read this paper several years ago and it completely freaked me out. it’s written as a letter by a prisoner who opposed a military coup, describing the back story of how the country dissolved. how institutions and political leaders failed; people lost any faith in them and turned to the ordered structure of the military. i’m reminded of this paper on occasion — like the newsmax column and i get nervous.

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    JK says:

    @Donald G:

    The Man was ok, but Seven Days in May was much better.

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    asiangrrlMN says:

    @JK: Poutrage is not, but I may have been the first one to combine it with fatigue. Not too sure about that. If not, then I read it here somewhere.

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    Ash Can says:

    @Llelldorin: Not that I’m giving the Obama Administration a pass for not doing more to walk back the surveillance and overall intrusiveness of the Bush Administration, but when shit like this turns up I can at least see the self- and civil-defense reasoning behind retaining the invasiveness of FISA and the Patriot Act, even if I’m uneasy with it.

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    Cat G says:

    @General Winfield Stuck: My Dad’s version of this is…we’re in the Philippines, the Navy guys are living on board ship, the Army guys are in WW2 barracks, the Air Force is living in new, air-conditioned barracks, and the Marines are camped out in the jungle…

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    @Michael: Beck and Limbaugh had best be reading up on Marat’s fate before they make such stirring pleas that come to some level of fruition.

    Srsly, where is Charlotte Corday when you need her?

    Are we presuming Beck or Limbaugh bathe?

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    different church-lady says:

    @Martin:

    Wait a minute… people still buy newspapers?

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    Man. Blockquote fail on that one.

    My apologies.

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    JK says:

    Adding to Perry’s nonsense, there were also these items along the same twisted lines:

    Facebook poll: Should Obama be killed?
    http://thepoliticalcarnival.bl.....obama.html

    Chuck Norris’ flag advice

    I suggest you fly some revolutionary flag in lieu of your 50-star flag over the next year. Post the 13-star Betsy Ross flag, Navy Jack or Gadsden flag (“Don’t Tread on Me”) or any representation that tells the story of Old Glory and makes a stand for our Founders’ vision of America.

    http://www.humanevents.com/art.....038;s=rcmp

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    Jack says:

    @linda:

    There are some malcontents in uniform, especially the skinheads and neo-confederates – but by and large, what you get are honorable men and women who want to do their service, maybe earn up a house or some portion of their education, get home in one piece, then get on with their lives.

    These are not the knights of the Prussian old guard, looking to crush the uppity serfs.

    I guess we should remember again that it was a Marine General (Smedley Butler) who spoiled a coup plot by the heads of (then) corporate America. And it’s veterans of nearly every conflict of the twentieth and twenty-first century who have been the vanguard of anti-militarist activism.

    The real coup is going on every day – it’s personhood for corporations, and “free speech” for deceptive ad firms and K-Street.

    Whilst it’s perhaps a moderate thrill to conjure a liberal analog for “Wolverines!”, the real threat to liberty smirks at us from boardrooms and corporatism.

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    freelancer says:

    @Doctor Cleveland:

    Are we presuming Beck or Limbaugh bathe?

    Well, it’d be irresponsible not to speculate that Limbaugh likes to lay down in bathtubs while other men pee on him.

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    jl says:

    I am not sure about the idea that ‘nation building’ corrupts US military. If I remember correctly, the Marines, Army and Navy more or less ran Central America for decades, up to the early 1930s. That was mainly for the benefit of US corporations and their local cronies. Cheney had a similar mission in mind for the US military in up to half a dozen middle eastern countries, even though he, or any of his gang, will never admit it.

    Been there, done that, and no military coups.

    That was where the US modern counter insurgency doctrine was born, and the land forces’ first small wars and counter insurgency manuals were written. That includes the softie socialist DFH side of the Marines and Army postwar occupation doctrines -how to win over the locals so they would cooperate with our programs, regardless of whether the US program for those little countries be for good or ill.

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    JK says:

    @calipygian:

    If you have a strong stomach, this site has some of the creepiest wingnut paranoia you’ll ever see

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com

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    Jack says:

    Sorry for the clumsy “and corporatism.” I meant “…boardrooms, and the happy face of corporatism.”

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    jl says:

    The first version of this commment is in moderation. Looks like the s h o s h u l i s t problem is not solved. Let us see what happens if I respell the dirty word.

    I am not sure about the idea that ‘nation building’ corrupts US military. If I remember correctly, the Marines, Army and Navy more or less ran Central America for decades, up to the early 1930s. That was mainly for the benefit of US corporations and their local cronies. Cheney had a similar mission in mind for the US military in up to half a dozen middle eastern countries, even though he, or any of his gang, will never admit it.

    Been there, done that, and no military coups.

    That was where the US modern counter insurgency doctrine was born, and the land forces’ first small wars and counter insurgency manuals were written. That includes the softie s h o s h u l i s t DFH side of the Marines and Army postwar occupation doctrines -how to win over the locals so they would cooperate with our programs, regardless of whether the US program for those little countries be for good or ill.

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    calipygian says:

    @JK: Been there. Done that. Saw her in her Wonder Woman costume and Star of David tatooed arm down at the Million Moron March a few weeks ago taking souvenir pics with some virulently homophobic biker motherfuckers a couple of hundred meters from the Capitol, right next to the Fox News satellite truck.

    One word – THUNDER THIGHS!!!!

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    jl says:

    Oh, that was quick and alert un-moderation.
    Tunch must be on duty tonight.

    thanks!

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    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    @JK: Chuck Norris’ flag advice: … Post the 13-star Betsy Ross flag, Navy Jack or Gadsden flag (“Don’t Tread on Me”) or any representation that tells the story of Old Glory and makes a stand for our Founders’ vision of America.

    And all this because Obama might make health insurance affordable?

    Oh, right, he’s black. I forgot.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @freelancer:

    Well, it’d be irresponsible not to speculate that Limbaugh likes to lay down in bathtubs while other men pee on him.

    And to think I’ve always fantasized about pissing all over him. Is there a dating site for old fat morally-bankrupt radio hosts? Sign me up!

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    dadanarchist says:

    @freelancer: Well, it’d be irresponsible not to speculate that Limbaugh likes to lay down in bathtubs while other men pee on him.

    Oh sweet Christ the Hicks was vicious. Thanks for that!

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    JK says:

    @calipygian:

    In my view, the Wonder Woman costume doesn’t quite suit Pam Atlas Geller.

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    LD50 says:

    The wingnuts didn’t like Clinton, so they impeached him.

    They didn’t win the 2000 election, so they called in the SCOTUS to throw it their way.

    They got trounced in ’08, so now they’re fantasizing about a military coup.

    The conservatives’ contempt for the democratic process is appalling.

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    calipygian says:

    @LD50: 166.

    The wingnuts didn’t like Clinton, so they impeached him.

    They didn’t win the 2000 election, so they called in the SCOTUS to throw it their way.

    They got trounced in ‘08, so now they’re fantasizing about a military coup.

    The conservatives’ contempt for the democratic process is appalling.

    Thread win.

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    JK says:

    @Xecky Gilchrist:

    I was Bruce Lee were still alive so that he could kick Chuck Norris’ paranoid, tea bagging ass.

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    Calouste says:

    I can’t understand how these people can possibly think that something like this is going to be bloodless. The Rodney King affair was nowhere near a coup or an assassination and yet there were riots in L.A. for six days and they brought in 10,000 troops to calm things down.

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    Sid Viscous says:

    Beck and Limbaugh had best be reading up on Marat’s fate before they make such stirring pleas that come to some level of fruition.

    Charlotte Corday’s ten-year old Dominican boy equivalent might be more appropriate for the job.

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    Raincitygirl says:

    Wait, I saw that movie. I can’t remember the title right this minute, but it was in black and white, and starred Kirk Douglas and Ava Gardner, among others. Oh, and even in the movie things didn’t go so great for the wonderful patriot who initiated a coup against the democratically elected President.

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    Midnight Marauder says:

    @JK:

    That’s catchy. Is that an asiangrrlMN original?

    It may well be, but it reminds me of the book Compassion Fatigue: How The Media Sell Disease, Famine, War and Death.

    Appropriate, I feel, given the times.

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    JK says:

    @calipygian:

    They also duped a bunch of saps into supporting a recall election in California.

    I thought your name was spelled with 2 l’s.

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    Shinobi says:

    When I read things like this I can only quote the famous liberal Janeane Garofalo:

    “Is being an idiot like being high all the time?”

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    KG says:

    holy shit, I think my eyes are bleeding after reading that drivel. This has to be the absolutely stupidest thing ever written anywhere. You have to wonder if this guy has ever, actually, you know, read the Constitution? As a lawyer, I’ve sworn to protect and defend the Constitution several times, so I’ve actually read through it, and actually like what it says.

    But honestly, this is just an extension of the whole “the Constitution is not a death pact” mindset. These guys used Lincoln (unconstitutionally) suspending habeas corpus to justify torture, of course they are going to advocate a military coup to replace the civilian authorities. In their minds, the military is the only legitimate part of government, and the military should be left unconstrained to do whatever the fuck it wants to do.

    Sometimes, the cynic in me thinks we should just let a couple of the southern states secede so we can be done with the stupid.

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    Jimbo says:

    Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

    Um…how about an election, fucknut?

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    The Republic of Stupidity says:

    @freelancer:
    Well, it’d be irresponsible not to speculate that Limbaugh likes to lay down in bathtubs while other men pee on him.

    I’m not sure Limbaugh could fit into a bathtub at this point in his life… it’d prolly hafta be one of those kiddie wading pools.

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    JK says:

    @Midnight Marauder:

    I’m losing it. If we can get thru the next 4 years without an assassination attempt against Obama or another Oklahoma City style bombing, it will be a goddamn fucking miracle.

    It sure looks to me like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Michelle Malkincontent, Glenn Insta Asshole Reynolds, Rush Limbaugh, et al are pulling out all the stops to drive 1 or more wingnuts over the edge.

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    demimondian says:

    @TR: It’s *not* treason; in fact, it’s protected speech. Seditious speech only becomes treasonous in time of war, and, contra Cheney, we aren’t at war.

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    wasabi gasp says:

    Let’s not jump to conclusions, it’s very likely that Perry stumbled upon a meth lab in his kitchen.

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    jwb says:

    @Jack: It would be smarter for him to wait until 2016. He’d have to make a lot of unsavory deals to be vialbe in 2012. Too much rump at the moment.

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    Comrade Darkness says:

    @jl: I am not sure about the idea that ‘nation building’ corrupts US military.

    If you read about Russia in Chechnya what you see is the army taking to running the black market, to the point of being bribable into letting the enemy move arms are troops around past the lines. The army become the mafia and that doesn’t end when they come home.

    I think about that when I read about Iraq. Sometimes I think I see hints of it. The long, repeated rotations feed this effect, unfortunately. Among many bad side effects of that, individual and otherwise.

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    The Republic of Stupidity says:

    demimondian

    @TR: It’s not treason; in fact, it’s protected speech. Seditious speech only becomes treasonous in time of war, and, contra Cheney, we aren’t at war.
    __________
    It may not be sedition… it may be protected speech…

    But that doesn’t make it “intelligent”, “meaningful”, or worthwhile”, and doesn’t stop it from being “idiotic”, ‘annoying”, and pointless”.

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    jl says:

    @demimondian: That is treason, to say we are not at war, because otherwise I could not call all sorts of speech I don’t like treason. We are war, we are we are we are! We officially are, no matter what!

    Time to raid Balloon-Juice and clean out the traitors.

    (Looks like I am channeling wingnut thoughts. time to drink them away and purge the cheetos).

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    Shinobi says:

    @demimondian:

    It’s not treason; in fact, it’s protected speech. Seditious speech only becomes treasonous in time of war, and, contra Cheney, we aren’t at war.

    I still posit that he poses a danger to the public at large. With levels of Batshit and Stupid this high I worry that it might be contagious.

    Although I guess if the government protected us from Stupid and Crazy we wouldn’t have Glen Beck, Limbaugh, or creationists. Alas, there goes MY american dream.

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    Brett says:

    Wait, I saw that movie. I can’t remember the title right this minute, but it was in black and white, and starred Kirk Douglas and Ava Gardner, among others. Oh, and even in the movie things didn’t go so great for the wonderful patriot who initiated a coup against the democratically elected President.

    The movie was called “Seven Days in May”.

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    jl says:

    @Comrade Darkness: I hope our forces are in better shape than the Russian army. But I agree that a corrupt for-profit long term occupation could corrupt our forces, if we go the Cheney/Bush route again.

    I think a more realistic long term danger is the military-industrial-Congressional complex (which I read someplace was Eisenhower’s original formulation) is more realistic source of disgruntled military, since it provides money for senior people while keeping them at a safe distance from violent and horrific up close and personal Fail.

    I trust that the total failure of Bush/Cheney/Rummy doctrine will keep us safe from the fate of corruption through long term BS nation building for corrupt ulterior motives. But I am an optimistic fool, maybe.

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    mcd410x says:

    I don’t remember who was talking about Carter and unreformed segregationists hanging around but you ought to read his Law Day speech.

    And also realize that there are still many unreformed segregationists in the South — they just don’t talk about it out loud.

    ——-

    It should really be the Wingularity Hypothesis since we have yet to prove it.

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    It just reminds me of another Heinlein story- the one where a black woman is elected vice-president of the US, in a ploy to gain votes, and then the President dies. “Of course you never bargained for this, we’ll see to it that a suitable replacement for you is found…” “I’m sure you will. You’re dismissed.”

    Heinlein’s female character writing is as insightful as ever (ha!) and bits of it are awful, but when Madam Black President is confronted by a Joint Chief who is having none of it and calls her a n***** wench, it’s the Marine Joint Chief who reaches the guy first, and just about beats him up on the spot (“Down on your knees and beg pardon! That’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES you’re speaking to!”)

    I think Heinlein understood how military men think, better than how women think…

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    BDeevDad says:

    The only word that comes to mind is oxyMORANic.

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    gnomedad says:

    Re: “liberals with guns”

    All excellent speculation; what I had in mind was something along the lines of:

    Wingers with guns: defenders of freedom!
    Liberals with guns: Obama’s fascist army!

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Didn’t they already have the Republican Revolution and it was a complete failure? Why would they want to do that again?

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    Sly says:

    It always warms my heart when wingnuts embrace their inner Stalin. It suits them so well.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Rod Serling scripted “Seven Days in May” about an attempted military coup against the President of the United States.

    The great irony lies in the fact that the movie was about disagreement over a treaty with the USSR, but the actual book posited a coup coming because of a military stalemate in — wait for it — IRAQ!

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    Comrade Darkness says:

    @jl: I hope our forces are in better shape than the Russian army

    We pay them better, which helps immensely. But other parts of the compact have eroded through too many years of republican (true irony) rule, like cutting off access to the GI bill on what amounts to a paperwork issue, conditions at Walter Reed, poisoned water supplied by halliburton, etc,… the list goes on.

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    LiberalTarian says:

    Sadly, I can only manage a “meh.”

    I finally got my dream job, and some of them have magazines with BO’s picture on the cover that say, “Soft Tyranny?”

    They are fucking loons. It’s their country. We just live in it. But, indeed, I am getting ready to expat. How can I help it???

    My sister thinks Glen Beck is A-OK. How is that possible???

    So, yeah, like the guy said. My poutrage meter is broken.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    Sounds like the guy had been reading his tattered old Heinleins with the pages stuck together too hard.

    Which reminds me — do “milblogger” and / or “warpr0n” need to be included in the Lexicon?

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    TenguPhule says:

    At what point does this shit become unacceptable in the village?

    When the neo-cons are rounded up like cattle and shot en masse.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Also, John Perry needs to be hung as a traitor to the Republic to set an example.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @TenguPhule: And after we determine he has a tiny penis we oughta hang him anyway.

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    Ash says:

    @calipygian:

    Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children.

    It seriously took me like 5 reads to understand this. I’m really fucking tired apparently.

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    gnomedad says:

    For the Lexicon?: Wisconsin Tourist Federation renames itself.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @TenguPhule: And if we determine he has a tiny pen1s, he oughta be hanged anyway.

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    demimondian says:

    @jl: Troubleshooter, are you questioning the dedication and focus of the Computer to and on the happiness of the citizens of Alpha Complex?

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    Nellcote says:

    on another hand:

    Generals: Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney are scaremongering

    http://www.politico.com/news/s.....27705.html

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    IndyLib says:

    @calipygian:

    LOfuckingL

    FTW from a navy wife

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    demimondian says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: So you’re saying he should be either hung or well-hung?

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Nellcote: Won’t be long before the Cheneys are rounded up by high-ranking military officers.

    /fap fap fap John Perry fap fap fap

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    Wapiti says:

    I am not sure about the idea that ‘nation building’ corrupts US military. If I remember correctly, the Marines, Army and Navy more or less ran Central America for decades, up to the early 1930s.

    During the Great Depression, active duty officers were used as cadre in at least some of the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) encampments in the US as well.

    Regarding the original post. If I were still on active duty, and one of my fellow officers sent me the Newsmax article with approving comments, I’d have to consider reporting it to my boss or to the post CID as a potential case of incitement to commit mutiny. I’d rather be a fink than a traitor.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Went to check the Balloon-Juice Lexicon to make sure I was using “fap” correctly and it’s not in there. WTF? Eek! “WTF” isn’t there either.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @demimondian: No, I’m saying the merits of his hanging shouldn’t hinge on the size of his purple helmet yogurt slinger.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: If you don’t know if you’re fapping correctly, you’re doing it wrong.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @MikeJ: I’ll just have to keep practicing then.

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    General Winfield Stuck says:

    purple helmet yogurt slinger.

    teehee

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    TenguPhule says:

    @Nellcote: Won’t be long before the Cheneys are rounded up by high-ranking military officers.

    And offered the choice of Death or Unga Bunga?

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    Raincitygirl says:

    No, you’ll be offered the choice of cake or death.

    I’m fairly sure Unga Bunga is not on the menu.

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    Mentis Fugit says:

    @JK:

    I was Bruce Lee were still alive so that he could kick Chuck Norris’ paranoid, tea bagging ass.

    Sod that! It’s all Bruce Lee’s fault; he kicked Chuckie in the head one time too many.

    What? You got a better explanation?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @El Tiburon:

    Elections have consequences. Just so happens the consequence of this election is for whitey to go absolutely ape-shit.

    FTW. You nailed it. I’ve never seen it expressed so succinctly.

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    auntieeminaz says:

    @Bob In Pacifica: How well I remember. I may have only been a high school student but who could forget our stunned nation. Not unlike 9/11. What’s that old Chinese curse? May you live in interesting times. Touche. Also

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    Postlethwaite Windschitl says:

    But wait–Jonah Goldberg says John Perry is a liberal. I’m confused . . .

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Steeplejack:

    El Tiburon nailed it, but I have been thinking this for a while.

    There is a sizable segment of the population–and I admit it is apparently bigger, or at least more vocal, than I would have thought–that just cannot deal with the fact that the president is a n-n-n-Negro, and all of this sound and fury is about their extreme gyrations to come up with some reason–any reason–for their extreme discomfiture, anxiety and insecurity other than r-r-r-racism.

    That’s why you’re seeing the increasingly outlandish–and contradictory–charges. He’s a communist. He’s a fascist. He’s Hitler. He’s Mao. He’s completely incompetent. He’s a supervillain. They don’t have to make sense. The wingnuts are just trying to shut off the alarm bell coming from deep in the lizard brain. Without confronting the truth that they are (deeply, deeply) uncomfortable because he’s black.

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    mclaren says:

    Moonbatting Average mentioned:

    The central problem with Wingularity Theory, as it currently stands, is that sometimes stuff like this does make it beyond the Wingnut Event Horizon.

    Stephen Hawking explained that back in 1972. When a charged particle-antiparticle pair appear at the edge of an event horizon due to the intensity of the gravitational field of the black hole, one of the pair of particle disappears into the black hole but the other particle zips away. This leads to the appearance of radiation emitted from the event horizon.

    As we now know, all black holes must emit radiation from their event horizons. Eventually, this radiation saps the mass-energy of the black hole, and it evaporates.

    Transferring these insights to Wingularity Theory, we deduce that sense and nonsense appears spontaneously at the edge of a Wingularity. The sensible stuff disappears into the black hole of Republican looniness, while the nonsense gets emitted. Thus, Wingularities emit a constant stream of nonsense, eventually weakening the Republicans to the point where the entire Wingularity evaporates.

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    Mayken says:

    @JK: Yeah, the best part was the re-call rallying cry was over Davis raising the auto registration fees. Of course Arnie lowered them to much temporary rejoicing. Then the Governator just recently raised again and for exactly the same reason Davis did in the first place!
    Something about the more things change…

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    Mayken says:

    @Chris Johnson: That’s called damning with faint praise, my friend. Heinlein understood how dogs felt much more than women.

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    Mr Furious says:

    @JK:

    Bruce Lee were still alive so that he could kick Chuck Norris’ paranoid, tea bagging ass

    Sure, that’d be nice, but unnecessary. I’m pretty sure Uma Thurman can comfortably handle Chuck Norris at this point.

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    Socraticsilence says:

    Man if this paranoid guy was right I wonder what makes the Far Right think its leaders would survive- no offense but, if anyone thinks Fox News, Limbaugh et al could cheerlead a coup against not just the a popularly elected Democratic President, but the first African-American President- and then get out of NYC, DC, and Atlanta (Glenn Beck) alive they’re fucking insane- Limbaugh’d make Mussolini’s end look humane.

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    bago says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: It’s a Balloon-Juice lexicon, not meant for describing the whole internets. If you don’t know WTF then GTFO.

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    The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Test… test…

    Just wondering why my last posts went into moderation, then disappeared…

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    williamc says:

    @El Tiburon:

    Elections have consequences. Just so happens the consequence of this election is for whitey to go absolutely ape-shit.

    FTW. You nailed it. I’ve never seen it expressed so succinctly.

    I love when a Bushism (elections have consequences) and a 2008 campaign trope (“whitey tape”) collide like this.

    This is it expressed the best I have ever heard it.
    I knew that the President was going to encounter some rough waters, but I’m astounded at the levels of hate not even a year in, but I’m not surprised with Caribou Barbie out there most of last year, stirring up the hate (WTF is with people just now getting this? Did no one see the Pelosi kid’s doc on HBO, Right Feeling Wronged, about the 2008 campaign events on the right wing side, or were you all just high on HOPE smoke back then? These morans were morans then, and just watching them Beck-out with the crying hysterics about maybe having a Black President, you wouldn’t need to think about whether or not the Obama hatred is racism, you’d know it is!)

    I’ve lived in the suburbs my entire adult life, I know what calms whitey: Xanax.

    I’m thinking it’s time to fight back.

    I’m Going Rogue.

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    Surreal American says:

    Why do John L. Perry and newsmax.com both hate me for my freedom?

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    TenguPhule says:

    Transferring these insights to Wingularity Theory, we deduce that sense and nonsense appears spontaneously at the edge of a Wingularity. The sensible stuff disappears into the black hole of Republican looniness, while the nonsense gets emitted. Thus, Wingularities emit a constant stream of nonsense, eventually weakening the Republicans to the point where the entire Wingularity evaporates.

    But this would mean common sense exists in the heart of the wingularity. That would be the end of the universe as we know it.

    I submit an alternative theory that states we are not seeing stuff at the edge of the Wingularity event horizon, rather we are now straddling the very edge at the point of no return as the nation’s journeys ever closer towards the ever enlarging black hole of stupid.

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    Llelldorin says:

    @demimondian:

    It’s not treason; in fact, it’s protected speech. Seditious speech only becomes treasonous in time of war, and, contra Cheney, we aren’t at war.

    For damned good reason:

    (1) If this were illegal, how long until a Republican interprets electoral activity as “a plot against the President”?

    (2) We want this crap out loud, so we know who to watch for large purchases of fertilizer.

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    Mentis Fugit says:

    It’s not sense-nonsense pairs that appear on the event horizon of the Wingularity, but random, undifferentiated statements and their converses. It doesn’t matter which falls back into the Wingularity, neither statement contains any factons, and the net result is that the event horizon appears to emit a constant stream of random batshit.

    Source: An Introduction To Quantum Republicanism by Stephen Falconing, published by Fullcourt Press.

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    Viva BrisVegas says:

    Does this give us another entry for the BJ Lexicon?

    Banana Republican: Someone who loves the US Constitution not wisely, but too well. After all, each man kills the thing he loves.

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    JGabriel says:

    KG:

    But honestly, this is just an extension of the whole “the Constitution is not a death pact” mindset.

    Which is interesting, because, when you think about it, the oath to “protect and defend” the Constitution is a death pact. People who take that oath, then advocate a military coup, are not only committing sedition, they are betraying their oath to the Constitution by advocating its abrogation.

    They certainly aren’t defending it.

    .

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    I can’t seem to find a thing about this guy that doesn’t somehow refer back to his New Smacks bio.

    So “award winning newspaper editor” can meaning anything, including winning Employee of the Month at aforementioned New Smacks.

    And being on the White House “staff” certainly doesn’t automatically make one an “official.” The latter would normally exercise some of the intrinsic power of office, while the former could be staffing the Xerox machine.

    But hey, what’re the chances of a wingnut having an inflated/dishonest resume, eh?

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Ben:

    Time for reasonable people to grab an anarchists cookbook and start taking out the right wing traitors.

    Dude, the Anarchist’s Cookbook is a suicide manual, nothing more. Seriously, try anything written in it and you will blow your dumb ass up, or at least acutely poison it.

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    HeartlandLiberal says:

    Go to the site and submit a letter to editor, along these lines:

    Re: article here: http://www.newsmax.com/john_pe.....66012.html, I am just curious. At what point did you decide to simple abandon all pretense of an allegiance to the Constitution and America, and opt for openly declaring support for treason and a military take over of the civilian government. Did you have editorial sessions and toss the idea around and get a consensus? Is it just that you hate the idea of the rule of law as founded in a Constitution, and the idea of a Republic in which the citizens have some vestige of control over government anathema?

    This column advocates treason.

    Nothing more, nothing less. I assume that like the Facebook poll that was up this past Sunday into Monday you will next just be openly calling for the assassination of President Obama?

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    bellatrys says:

    I see plenty of folks beat me to the Smedley Butler references, but I’d just like to add that the names of the banksters which came up in the Congressional investigation are *still* classified to this day. I wonder how many of them have descendants who are donors to AEI and Reason and so on?

    And yes, this kind of talk did go on among “respectable” “prolife” conservative intellectuals back in the Clinton and Carter days, but not at quite this fever pitch – and without the ability to hyperlink it, either. I gotta try to get to the local religious college library periodical archives this weekend with a portable scanner and see if I can dredge up any ripe ones from the sewers of “The Wanderer” &c that they have in the basement there…

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    DBrown says:

    Interesting – under insane bush, the military did, in fact, rebel. When asshole cheney wanted a study completed by the purple suits out lining a nuke strike against Iran, all the Colonels and Lt. Colonels threatened to resign in mass. The general staff then had to inform asswipe that this option was off the table unless they wanted to handle this mess.

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    bob h says:

    Isn’t the question of whether the “Constitution” is being violated a matter for the courts, particularly the Supreme Court? Isn’t that the recourse for such questions? Not a matter for wingnuts to decide?

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    4tehlulz says:

    @DBrown: Threatening resignation != coup d’etat

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    DBrown says:

    @4tehlulz: I said rebelled, not a coup. These were our top non-general level officers refusing direct orders. That is a big thing and unheard of. Consider that this was all the senior staff for the Joint Chiefs (a few hundred officers from all the services) – that was, is and always will be a big deal that this occured and shows how bad bush was and how extreme and insane cheney was and still is. These officers are very rightwing yet even they were pushed over the edge.

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    Scott Rock says:

    NewsMax just pulled the article (~9AM EST). Bit off a bit more gov’t dick than they could chew, i see.

    Gotta say something when it’s too crazy for that venue.

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    demimondian says:

    @DBrown: cite, please. I’m skeptical because refusing to obey a legal order, which that clearly was, is an offense which is subject to court-martial.

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    The article is no longer there. The link redirects you to the newsmaxx homepage.

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    Silver Owl says:

    Perry is under the misconception that our military is a box of toy soldiers to be used by ill raised children having a temper tantrum. I did send that in a letter to the ombudsman.

    It never ever dawned on Perry that republicans were soundly rejected because they were inept, poor performers and who’s ideology is not compatible with a thriving nation. That would require Perry to mature into an adult and mature adults is not something today’s conservatives know anything about.

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    4tehlulz says:

    @Scott Rock: Hope Google cache caught that shit before it got taken down.

    In any case, nothing is ever truly deleted from the Internet.

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    SFAW says:

    Went to check the Balloon-Juice Lexicon to make sure I was using “fap” correctly and it’s not in there. WTF? Eek! “WTF” isn’t there either.

    That’s because, in a show of solidarity with his friends in Green Bay, John has changed it to “TFW”

    So “award winning newspaper editor” can meaning anything, including winning Employee of the Month at aforementioned New Smacks.

    I heard he won the Plonk Award, for conspicuous emulation of the insanity that is Bill O’Reilly.

    And being on the White House “staff” certainly doesn’t automatically make one an “official.”

    I thought I heard that he’s vying for a position on Larry Craig’s staff.

    tap tap tap …

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    But hey, what’re the chances of a wingnut having an inflated/dishonest resume, eh?

    My wingnut folks sent me a hit piece on Obama during the election written by “Black Journalist Kenneth Blackwell”. I had a lot of fun with that, so much in fact that they no longer forward me that shit.

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    Sarcastro says:

    Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation.

    I can’t imagine a bloodless coup… because I have a gun.

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    Legalize says:

    Looks like the article has been scrubbed? Please tell me someone took a screen shot.

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    It is simply amazing to me that Perry and his ilk think that all it will take is a few disaffected generals to order the armed forces to depose the President and it will happen.

    What is more likely to happen is that any such treasonous generals will be arrested by their subordinates and, depending on how things play out, might wind up being the featured guests before some firing squads.

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    blackfrancis789 says:

    @Legalize: TPM got one

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    Comrade Darkness says:

    @demimondian: I remember this as well, at the time. It wasn’t picked up very widely in the news.

    I just did a very quick search, so these might not be the best sources out there:
    Generals will revolt over surge.

    Bracing the Brass on Iran

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    BC says:

    Yeah, they forget the number of Hispanic and African-American soldiers in our military. These guys have big guns, too, and know how to use them. I think these fantasizers think the military is homogeneously (sp?) white and conservative, but the rank and file are not – and the officer corps is becoming more diverse as well.

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    Winfield Stuck,

    I think it was the Talbot book, BROTHERS, that went into the story behind why JFK allowed the filming of “Seven Days In May” in the White House.

    Meanwhile, why would the military want to take out Obama? He’s giving them everything they want? They’ve got no motivation.

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    Ash Can says:

    @gnomedad: This made me guffaw loudly enough that I think the neighbors heard me, through closed windows.

    And Newsmax took the article down, eh? Interesting. What are the chances they did it because their feelings were getting hurt by all the e-mails objecting to it? I doubt that. I should think the editors there would be tickled to put up an article that makes a big splash and brings lots of eyes to its site. I get the feeling that some of those eyes belonged to people with dark suits and badges.

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    Comrade Darkness says:

    @demimondian: I tried to post some links but they went into moderation. Do a google for “bracing the brass on iran” which isn’t quite the article I was thinking of, but I’ve got to get work done this morning…

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    b-psycho says:

    If they’re going to act like this with a relatively moderate squish, then could you guys just elect an open fucking hardcore leftist and make their heads explode already?

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    debbie says:

    You can read the full column here:

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlan......html#more

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    demimondian says:

    @Comrade Darkness: Yeah, it got out.

    Your citations strike me as profoundly unconvincing; not only are they dated almost a year apart, they propose vastly different scenarios. Worse, in the case of the Think Progress citation, in fact, we have a story of a reporter repeating a rumor she heard of disagreements within the Pentagon. It almost looks like TP was trying to rationalize the fact that the “massive attack on Iran” never happened, rather than saying “Gosh, it looks like Hirsch may have wrong.”

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    Steve D says:

    Like some other posters, I have a lot of military time (retired MSG). And usually voted Republican. And will hold my nose and do so in the future as long as the alternative is someone like Nancy Pelosi. Anything that p!$$3$ off Michael Moore can’t be all bad.

    But I don’t see anything to justify the vitriol against Obama. Health care is hugely complex and a lot of money is involved. What’s now going on looks like normal horse trading and jockeying for position to me. Nobody rooted in reality expects it to be settled in a few months. We’ll be lucky to get something in his first term.

    But I have already decided which side I will join if the Wingnut Apocalypse comes to pass. And it won’t be with them. And unlike most of them I have carried a rifle.

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    nader paul kucinich gravel says:

    …It would have been just too damn expensive to remove all that asbestos from the Twin Towers…

    As the 9/12 Tea Party looks into the events of 9/11 they have many questions concerning the Official Story.
    They know not to trust the Government & Media.
    Only the guilty fear inquiry.

    An ill wind comes arising
    Across the cities of the plain
    There’s no swimming in the heavy water
    No singing in the acid rain
    Red alert
    Red alert

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    Hellga says:

    “Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars.”

    Would these be the same “nation-builders” that gave us the new Iraq?

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    Babs says:

    Sounds like the planned over throw of Roosevelt in the 30’s by supporters of the 3rd Reich:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot (oh my! is the neutrality of history being disputed???)

    The right wing, fascist, fundie, white supremacist wingnuts need to realize that in a nation of 300 million people, they are a small and diminishing minority and they are not the only ones who believe in the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 14th amendments and there are some folks who can actually *read* the Declaration of Independence all the way to the end and understand we didn’t build this country so United Health could kill grandma.

    Any attempt to overthrow a president, “bloodlessly” or otherwise, who was legally elected by a significant majority of the nation will fail.

    The fact that the discussion in the wingnut-o-sphere has degraded to this level just shows how threatened the fascist movement in this country actual is by the overwhelming support the people show this president. 95% of the people in this country are increasingly suffering at the hands of the other 5%, that’s unsustainable.

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    asiangrrlMN says:

    @Steve D: Really? Nancy Pelosi is worse than Dick Cheney or W. or Grumpy McCain? Duly noted.

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    Ana Gama says:

    Here’s hoping that Mr. Perry is getting an in-person visit from the Secret Service this afternoon.

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    a lurker says:

    Since NewsMax has decided to delete the article, here is the Google Cache

    And because that will eventually go away the remainder of this post is a copy and paste so the record is preserved:

    There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic.

    America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn’t mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:

    # Officers swear to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to “obey the orders of the president of the United States.”

    # Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.

    # They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.

    # They can see that the economy — ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation — is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.

    # They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home.

    # They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America’s troop strength is allowed to sag.

    # They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time.

    # They can see the nation’s safety and their own military establishments and honor placed in jeopardy as never before.

    So, if you are one of those observant military professionals, what do you do?

    Wait until this president bungles into losing the war in Afghanistan, and Pakistan’s arsenal of nuclear bombs falls into the hands of militant Islam?

    Wait until Israel is forced to launch air strikes on Iran’s nuclear-bomb plants, and the Middle East explodes, destabilizing or subjugating the Free World?

    What happens if the generals Obama sent to win the Afghan war are told by this president (who now says, “I’m not interested in victory”) that they will be denied troops they must have to win? Do they follow orders they cannot carry out, consistent with their oath of duty? Do they resign en masse?

    Or do they soldier on, hoping the 2010 congressional elections will reverse the situation? Do they dare gamble the national survival on such political whims?

    Anyone who imagines that those thoughts are not weighing heavily on the intellect and conscience of America’s military leadership is lost in a fool’s fog.

    Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a “family intervention,” with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

    Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

    Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

    Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

    In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.

    John L. Perry, a prize-winning newspaper editor and writer who served on White House staffs of two presidents, is a regular columnist for Newsmax.com. Read John Perry’s columns here.

    © 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

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    Scott says:

    Mr. Cole,
    A classic example of why I’m an independent. A Republican advocating a military coup when they don’t get their own way’ and what does the opposition do? You don’t have the guts to include the name of the writer so I can confirm this for myself. Crappy reporting and downright wimpy. I agree this is treasonous, but being cowardly isn’t the answer either.
    Scott Messmore

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    Mike D. says:

    This is kind of late, but have to say that this had to represent some kind of signal moment or something. Didn’t it?

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    Phillip says:

    @scott

    As a democrat, i am glad you are a wimpy independent who cant choose sides, b/c i dont want you on our side. You didnt even read the beginning article you grunched all the way down?! IDIOT

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    Scott says:

    Phillip, Phillip, Phillip,
    all that hatred from someone who doesn’t have any grammar. What does “grunch” mean anyway? Did he steal Christmas? I “chose” the following facts:

    George Washington-no party
    Thomas Jefferson, Franklin, etc.-no party
    Republicans-worship money
    Democrats-ingore national defense (that includes being silent about the run up before Iraq)
    I’m proud not to be on your side. There’s two wars going on, the economy is terrible and you guys yap about gay marriage, socialized medicine and the Olympics.
    Scott

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