Ron Beasley declares Obama’s presidency dead. This seems just a tad premature. Think back to this time in Bush’s presidency: all he had to show thus far was a small tax cut and the Chinese airplane fiasco.
So if the 2001 tax cut was so tiny, then repealing it should be no big deal. Glad that is cleared up and we can expect some libertarian support should it be determined those tax cuts should be repealed to help bring the budget in line. I’m also glad we both agree that by comparison, the stimulus bill was even tinier.
calling all toasters
Ron Beasley declares Obama’s presidency dead.
What do Harry and Hermione say?
Comrade Dread
Speaking as a libertarian, I have no issues with eliminating the tax cuts (or indeed temporarily raising taxes) IF (and that’s a big if) once the current recession is over, there are massive government cuts (starting with farm subsidies, the defense dept., the DEA, etc.)
linda
please tell me she was being snarky when she wrote that.
Warren Terra
In considering relative damage to the budget inflicted by Bush and by Obama, one might also mention a certain three-trillion-dollar (estimated) budget item that achieves the extremely dubious honor of probably being even less useful for the country than permanent tax cuts on the incomes mostly of rich folks and temporary tax cuts on the accumulated assets exclusively of deceased rich folks.
beltane
Tiny, but all our freedoms rest upon it. Repeal that tiny tax cut and our country will slide into CommienaziObamafication.
cbear
“Think back to this time in Bush’s presidency: all he had to show thus far was a small tax cut and the Chinese airplane fiasco.”
And annoying August 6th Presidential Daily Brief titled “Bin Laden determined to strike within the U.S.”
Good thing nothing ever came of that.
Warren Terra
You mean Harry Botter and Hermione Branger?
Zifnab
I want me “The Failed Obama Presidency” tag, dammit!
cmorenc
Let’s see what happens once Congress reconvenes.
1) For all their squabbling, the democrats in both house and senate know that unless they pass *some* sort of substantive health care reform, the damage done will fall far more heavily on *them* than on Obama (especially in 2010) and secondly, they won’t in the end kneecap their own party’s president, especially with memories of the disasters of the Bush years still fresh (and the likelihood that the 2012 GOP nominee will be totally unpalatable, given the extreme rightward tilt of that party’s activists).
2) Baucus and Conrad (the prime obstructionists on the dem side) will lose leverage and control of the process sometime in mid-September…in the end, the Senate Finance committee will report *some* kind of bill out, and once over that barrier the reconciliation process will bleach the stain they cast over the current shape of things. Or so saith Howard Dean.
3) Obama will get more actively involved with pressuring democratic legislators once they return from the recess. Part of Obama’s game is to let the GOP obstructionist tactics go over the top and get blame properly pinned on them for obstructionism (it gets complicated here though due to Judases in Obama’s own party such as Conrad and Baucus…hello, hello who exactly ARE you working for, you knaves?)
Let’s see what actually happens by mid-October. We’re seeing the process of hog-killing and prep of the innards for cooking right now, which is always ugly, not the finished product. There will be health-care sausage passed out the end by the end of October, how nutritious it will actually be remains to be seen.
handy
@linda:
Probably drunk. Just a guess, though.
Makewi
Interesting. Of course, the tax cuts merely allow people to keep more of the money that they earned, while the stimulus is a massive increase in spending both now and in the long term. Absolutely comparable.
cmorenc
Just like Obama’s candidacy was regarded as having contracted fatal shortcomings or hits several times during the primaries or general election campaign.
1) Hillary was going to sweep him mathematically off the table on super-Tuesday.
2) Reverend Wright was going to derail his candidacy.
3) The nomination of Sarah Palin by McCain was, for a couple of weeks, such a brilliant stroke that it put Obama in a seven-point and sliding hole in public opinion polls and had the electoral college on the point of seemingly tipping inexorably in McCain’s favor.
I’m not quite so confident that in the health-care fight Obama is playing political chess seven moves deeper than we can all see, and what we see momentarily as political damage is actually a knight sacrifice that will four or five moves later prove to be the key to blowing open the GOP’s king position to a fatally vulnerable attack. But I do think there’s a well-thought strategy here that may or may not work as planned.
Zifnab
@Comrade Dread: Well, from a Kensyan standpoint you’ve got it totally backwards. We’re supposed to be cutting taxes and running a deficit right now, because we are in a recession. So coming in and raising taxes and cutting spending is the absolute last thing we want to do.
However, the more pressing question is whether the general tax scheme is equitable to begin with. When multimillionaires are paying 15% of their (capital gains) income in taxes and folks skittering above the poverty line are paying 15% in taxes and everyone else is paying 25%+ in taxes, perhaps it’s not an issue of tax cuts versus tax hikes at all.
When folks making less than $90k / year have to fork over an extra 6.2% of their income to social security, it seems like the playing field is tilted. When home owners get a generous tax deduction simply because they pay rent to a mortgage company rather than a property management firm and folks buying Hummers can bend the law to pick up $25k in tax credits…
I mean, I can go through all the goofy little tax tricks and loopholes if you like, but I think you get the idea. The problem isn’t about taxes as a whole, but taxes on a niche basis. If we want to pay for valuable government services like health care and law enforcement and public defense and education, we should be targeting the tax burden to those that have received the biggest cuts.
valdivia
@cmorenc:
yes on the other thread (LBJ II) we were talking exactly about this.
amorphous
Of course, Megan has no idea how much health insurance costs, so it’s clear numbers are not her thing.
John Cole
@Makewi: THat would make sense if Bush hadn’t also launched several trillion in wars and passed the prescription drug plan, as well as massive increases in every sector of government, all while passing the tax cuts. Which, on top of the failure to regulate the financial industry and the easy money policies that pushed the housing bubble, led to the financial and fiscal calamities we are currently dealing with. None of which, by the way, was paid for.
Get out of here with that glibertarian bullshit. Go apply for a Reason internship.
John Cole
@amorphous: Of course, but pointing that out just shows how right she is!
Demo Woman
@Makewi: It allowed for the wealthiest to keep their money and trickle it down among us peons. President Clinton left a balanced budget and a deficit that was going to be paid off. Thanks to Sir Alan and President Bush that plan was changed.
This year President Obama will have a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit thanks to the 1.3 trillion that was carried over by the Bush policies.
If tax cuts worked as a stimulus wouldn’t we all be swimming in cash? When banks could not lend to businesses to expand the only option was government spending.
cmorenc
Who the H is Ron Beasley anyway? Since we presume the Ron B. making the premature declarations about Obama’s Presidency isn’t the fictional one who’s Harry Potter’s roommate and pal.
Though we could use Dumbledore about now.
Tropical Fats
@Makewi:
Put another way, the tax cuts were a way to allow those who already have the most of everything to keep even more of everything for themselves, while the stimulus bill was an attempt to save the economy from total meltdown in a time of unprecedented uncertainty and panic.
It’s a simple matter of priorities. If the wealthy can’t afford to buy solid gold toilets, who will keep the makers of solid gold toilets in business?
Zifnab
Btw, can I get an obligatory “That’s what she said”.
amorphous
@Makewi: I’m so sick of this bullshit which implicitly argues that those who make tons of money 1) earned every penny through proportional effort and 2) did so with no help from those beneath them on the economic food chain.
I’m glad your world exists in absolutes and there are no further connections or deeper understandings required beyond what results appear to indicate. Must be an easy place to figure out. Critical thinking is hard!
JenJen
Well, John, as you’ve pointed out before, Megan has a wee problem with a) her math and b) her memory.
cbear
@cmorenc:” Who the H is Ron Beasley anyway? ”
I think he’s related to Mr. Beasley who was Dagwood’s boss, or he may be the same guy.
CynDee
Is it time yet for Tunch and Lily pics? Got to get these brains cooled off and calmed down. We’re going to start needing two animal doses a day.
JenJen
@John Cole:
I would just like to thank you for what I believe was my first, true, political laugh of August, 2009. I need that. :-)
General Winfield Stuck
@John Cole:
That was just George trying to shrink the federal government to the size it could be drowned in the bathtub.
Reckon he figured might as well send out in style with some fireworks by making himself George of Arabia, and treating his base with some wingnut welfare. No sense heisting all those middle class taxes and not having no fun. And sticking it to those Chinamen with shaky iou’s/
Janet Strange
This is my favorite graphic for putting “where the deficit came from” in perspective.
Maybe someone should show it to McMegan.
Makewi
@John Cole:
Heh. My glibertarian bullshit, as opposed to your half truths and intentionally inflammatory language. It’s fine when you do it, but anyone who would hand you back even a fraction of your current hackery is the devil incarnate.
In any case, your angry ranting doesn’t change my point one bit. It’s apples and oranges and the old, albeit less popular John Cole, would have seen that in a heartbeat.
Makewi
It’s nice that you all can justify the taking of those that have more, but sadly for you that doesn’t make it right.
freelancer
@John Cole:
Wow, that’s the second time today a front-pager has actively fed a known troll. Methinks DougJ and JC are being too clever by half.
John Cole
@Makewi: What the hell do you think progressive taxation is? Christ, you lost that argument how many decades ago?
I can’t take this. Someone else take a round.
John Cole
@freelancer: I didn’t know he was a troll. My bad.
Zifnab
@General Winfield Stuck:
Why does shrinking “the government” never apply to “the Pentagon”? At what point did our $800 billion / year military budget stop being a part of the federal budget?
I can’t recall ever seeing a Republican Senator or Congressman who found a military budget item he or she didn’t like.
Comrade Dread
@Zifnab
Yeah, I’m aware of Kensyan economic theory. Trouble with that theory is that as soon as good times show up, we don’t bother tightening our belts, raising taxes and paying off our debt like we’re supposed to. We just keep increasing spending and running deficits.
As I’ve chided many Republicans, it is a testament to their deceit on the issue of fiscal discipline, that the only President to balance a budget (and run a surplus) in the last 25 years was Bill Clinton.
freelancer
@John Cole:
I figured he was DougJ, but if he’s not, he’s a stage IV doucherocket.
Demo Woman
@Makewi: Now you are not even making sense. When my son was 14 he could have done better than that.
General Winfield Stuck
@Zifnab:
I think they just like bombs more than liberals.
General Winfield Stuck
@John Cole:
Makewi is like the last Jap on Treasure Island that don’t know the war is over and all the Treasure was wooden nickels.
handy
It’s nice that you all can justify the taking of those that have more, but sadly for you that doesn’t make it right.
Yes, sadly. I’m sure Mr. Cole feels just awful about it.
REN
Guns brought to a Presidential event, Secret Service says they can’t do anything about it, Texas State Board of “Education” mandates Bible studies in Public School classrooms, party with 40 – 60 minority kills off health care reform, Brett Favre joins Vikings. I need to turn this damn thing off and move farther into the woods.
Midnight Marauder
@John Cole:
He is the personification of lame.
cbear
@John Cole: Fraid so, a couple of days ago Makewi earned the dubious distinction of garnering the most “fuck you’s” (within a single thread) I have ever seen.
@Makewi: Fuck you.
jacy
Just dont read Megan anymore. If you’re going to read someone stupid, at least pick someone who is entertainingly stupid.
JenJen
@Makewi: It’s one of those enormous ideological differences, and ideological differences don’t make either of us right, they just make us different.
I’ve never believed that progressive taxation is “taking” and I certainly don’t view it as punishment. Considering that Bush’s tax cuts lowered tax revenue to a point that his agenda became impossible to pay for, and yet he continued to pursue it, and then some, I’d imagine people like you would consider that kind of policy highly irresponsible. Alas, no.
You must have really, really hated those marginal tax rates under Reagan, huh?
freelancer
@cbear:
Seconded.
Makewi
@John Cole:
Oh I see, so once the idea has been implemented it gives the built in excuse to keep increasing the amount you take and to automatically deride any attempt to reduce the takings.
It is nice that you were so dead set against all the money being spent by Bush, although those of us with a memory longer than a year or two remember something else, and that this spending is the result of divine intervention.
Go Team!
wasabi gasp
@Makewi: I prefer taking from those who have less. Takes less time to get to the part where they cry and jump off a bridge. It isn’t always about the money, you gotta have fun, too.
Makewi
@Demo Woman:
This from the woman who couldn’t identify any cheering in the RIP Novak thread.
Midnight Marauder
@Demo Woman:
Now you are not even making sense.
You are confused if you believe that to be a new phenomenon.
handy
Brett Favre joins Vikings.
SRSLY?! That guy is an even bigger douche nozzle than I imagined.
I couldn’t stand this guy and the idiotic sycophants in the media who jocked him throughout his career. Watching Elway and the Donks beat his sorry ass in the Super Bowl was one of the sweetest most delicious things evah, and yet I always felt a little guilty about my secret desire to see this guy get blindsided by a Mack truck.
Not anymore.
jacy
@freelancer:
Great, now I’m going to go around saying “doucherocket” all day long, and then the kids will pick it up, and then I’ll be getting a call from the principal tomorrow…..
Silver
Why does shrinking “the government” never apply to “the Pentagon”? At what point did our $800 billion / year military budget stop being a part of the federal budget?
I can’t recall ever seeing a Republican Senator or Congressman who found a military budget item he or she didn’t like.
It’s like an alcoholic mother making the grocery list. The top of that list is a fifth to get her through the day, and then everything else gets budgeted for. If that means the kids don’t have enough, c’est la vie.
The reason for this is simple: We kill lots of brown people, and that’s not a bug, it’s a feature. And doing that while shoveling money into your own pocket is what officials in power in empires do.
General Winfield Stuck
@Makewi:
Fuck you pissant.
Silver
Whoops, I put the tag in the wrong spot…the second sentence belongs to Zifnab as well, of course.
Makewi
@JenJen:
I am not against progressive taxation. It was a fairly deft trick to try to turn it into that though. I blame it on John’s inability to even begin approaching objectivity anymore. It leads one to compare a tax cut to a massive increase in spending as if they were the same and to be for one and opposed to the other is supposedly some sign of inconsistency.
freelancer
@Makewi:
Rose Director Friedman died today. I’m really anxious to know if you have any comment or feeling regarding her life.
Makewi
@General Winfield Stuck:
Oh, you poor baby. Did someone mention an unpleasant truth?
Da Bomb
@Makewi: WTF? What planet do you come from?
Let me see if I can speak stupid:
ET, Phone Home?
Na-Nu, Na-Nu?
Click-click?
Makewi
@freelancer:
I have no idea who that is.
Brachiator
@Makewi:
Well, not quite (and I am in favor of tax cuts). But getting beyond the sound bites and the talking points, tax cuts on capital gains and dividends are not necessarily tax cuts on earned income. Various credits (approved by both Democrats and Republicans) which result in tax cuts often shift income from one group which earned it (e.g., single taxpayers, wage earners) to another group which is benefitting all out of proportion (marriage couples with kids, homeowners with mortgages).
Retirees on Social Security got a $250 stimulus check that had nothing to do with income that they earned.
Which means, what? (Now or long term). Use, as an example, the changes to the rules for net operating loss. Take all the time you need.
handy
“Helicopter” Ben Bernanke is God? Who knew?
Demo Woman
John said to the troll “What the hell do you think progressive taxation is? Christ, you lost that argument how many decades ago?”
Our tax code is no longer progressive. Capital gains are taxed at 15% and the tax code changes have benefited those with the highest earnings. It might be interesting to have a post about progressive taxation and the effect if has on the middle class. Although the GNP grew under Bush most of the growth came from the government spending not consumer spending.
History has shown that democracy’s cannot exist without a strong middle class, think of South America.
freelancer
@Makewi:
FAIL.
You’re arguing against progressive taxation on a macro-economic scale. The last name of Friedman is the only clue I’m giving you.
General Winfield Stuck
@Makewi:
True and irrelevant. Sins atoned for 10 times over. What in your past have you admitted you were wrong about and changed. My guess is nothing, you’ve likely been a clueless jackass from day numero uno.
It takes a special kind of asshole to use past admitted errors to attack someone. Specially when your lame ideology has so royally fucked this country up. For the record saying that was both inflammatory and fun.
Demo Woman
@Makewi: You said there was a lot of cheering.. You are equating cheering with criticism. They have different meanings.
Makewi
@Brachiator:
Tax cuts and tax credits are not the same thing, as long as we are getting beyond the sound bites and all. I’m glad you are for tax cuts.
Makewi
@freelancer:
Here’s a thought. I’m not arguing against progressive taxation, and despite the repeated attempts to claim that, it is still not true.
freelancer
DIAF.
Elie
Freelancer:
Good catch
Makewi:
Not too good on the spoof thing but keep practicing…got to tie up all those incoherent and inconsistent loose ends..
But now wait, inconsistent loose ends and incoherence IS so authentic for you Reptilicans! Oh that deep mid-brain is just not up to that task …
Never mind – Carry on!
(very entertaining though)
amorphous
@Makewi: That doesn’t make your comment not incredibly fucking stupid. That’s kind of important.
Makewi
@freelancer:
Nevermind then. Clearly you have identified me as one of those who is not of you, and in any case it is more important to argue the things that you want to argue than it is to argue against my complaint against Cole’s reasoning.
Obviously I hate the poor and wish only bad things to happen to those who are not rich. Carry on.
Perry Como
Or Adam Smith. But hey, what did that socialist fuck know about anything? Makewi is going to come in and spew goat jizz all over a thread and that will be that.
General Winfield Stuck
@freelancer:
@Makewi:
Don’t you love it when they switch to victim mode.
freelancer
@General Winfield Stuck:
or, “I’m only trying to present a logical argument in good faith!” after they get called on their bullshit.
Where’s BOB? I want a troll I can laugh at.
General Winfield Stuck
@freelancer:
I hear ya. No chuckles with Makewi, He’s serious as dick cancer he’s making sense and we dummies just don’t get it. It’s like the dude got stuck in the tubes and is partying like it’s 2001/
Keith G
Megan : “…small tax cut”
Cato: “He [Bush] succeeded in getting a 10-year $1.35 trillion tax cut plan through Congress in 2001. It was the largest tax cut since 1981.”
She’s stuuuuupid.
Makewi, I am new to the thread, so I am wonderin, what are you proposing? What are you arguing for?
kommrade reproductive vigor
Yeah. Let’s look at Bush’s presidency as it was eight months into his presidency and forget the American airplane fiasco that occurred on the ninth.
b-psycho
John, I was curious of something: what would you think about a neo-Georgist taxation overhaul? Dead the income/capital/payroll crap, fund everything by taxing profit from natural resource use, land value, & (for good measure) automated financial transactions. It’d be “progressive” in the sense of falling hardest on the people that benefit from government force and/or separation of the commons, without even having to consider income.
What say you?
Demo Woman
@General Winfield Stuck: Sometimes the troll reminds me of Jessup in “A Few Good Men”
Rosali
August 2001:
Bush is known as the most vacation-ing president in history; Bush laughs at the CIA agent delivering the 8/6/01 PDB and says that he “covered his ass”; the press alternates between shark attack stories and speculation over whether Gary Condit is behind the Chandra Levy disappearance.
General Winfield Stuck
@Demo Woman:
Accurate analogy
JenJen
@freelancer: Thank you. Walked away from the thread, read the trollish response to me, and was about to point out the gaping hole.
You rule. :-)
kay
I always wonder how this monstrosity went under conservative/libertarian radar.
The increase in federal subsidies in the 2002 farm bill was equal to the surplus Bush inherited.
Because they’re poorly informed? Why does this Megan person still have a job? Christ. She can’t google? She can’t be reading, um, newspapers, or anything.
“After about 14 months of hearings, conferences, and deliberations, President Bush signed the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 on May 13.
The $248.6 billion bill increases taxpayer spending on agriculture by more than 80 percent over the 1996 farm bill, the Freedom to Farm Act, which made a tentative attempt to wean farmers from the system of price supports and commodity payments, as the U.S. was bound to do under its World Trade Organization (WTO) obligations. While the theme six years ago was freedom, the new farm bill will force American taxpayers to cough up at least $190 billion over the next 10 years, about $83 billion more than under current programs.
The bill proposes a complex program. And the bill focuses mainly on eight “program” crops (cotton, wheat, corn, soybeans, rice, barley, oats, and sorghum), and thus will largely benefit bread-basket states – which also happen to be swing states in the midterm elections. “
JenJen
@General Winfield Stuck: It’s why it’s so frustrating attempting a discussion with a conservatroll on any message board. Always, always, always it ends with something like “everybody is so mean to me and they think i hate poor people and black people but I have poor black friends and stuff, but you don’t care. Carry on.”
Always. Just never fails. They’re in, and they’re out in a blaze of pitiful glory.
Zach
The 2001 tax cut was one of the largest ever and is now looked at as a fairly by libertarians? The 2009 stimulus cut is just as big (would have been bigger if the Senate compromise hadn’t cut it by 25% in favor of the AMT patch) and doesn’t even register in anyone’s mind… what is going on?
Chris Johnson
I don’t like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps…
Ron Beasley
Who’s Ron Beasley? Well I’m Ron Beasley and you can find the referenced post here. I predicted before the election that if Obama carried through with his Afghanistan rhetoric he would be seen as a failed president. He has carried through and I stand by my prediction. He has surprised in how incompetent he has been when it comes to the politics of being President. Rove was right – you don’t piss off the base. Rove was right – you don’t even try to compromise with the opposition. That is how they got what they wanted as disastrous as that was for the country, the world and their legacy.
John O
I must be in some sort of weird demographic, because I don’t mind the “trolls.” I guess I’m kind of a free-speech absolutist, while I maintain that anyone’s blog is their property to dispose of as they wish. And to dispose whom.
Talking only amongst yourselves is an unhealthy thing.
That being said, Makewi is clearly some sort of moron.
John O
OK, Ron, but I remember back in the days when everyone on the Right said Clinton’s legacy would be only one thing, “Monica.”
I laughed at them then as I do you now. The best thing that ever happened to Clinton’s legacy was George W. Bush The Lesser, and any idiot knows the future is highly unpredictable indeed.
Easy one word question: Who do you think would win an election today between Bill Clinton and Bush The Lesser?
John O
@Ron Beasley:
And I agree with you, substantively. Just too early to call, my man.
Woody
Rove was right – you don’t piss off the base. Rove was right – you don’t even try to compromise with the opposition.
There’s a “status” thing, here, too, though.
The Dims ARE the “junior” members, the untenured faculty, the lawyers hoping for partnerships–eternally, of course, because they taught english or their clients were scum/pro bono.
The Pukes, on the other hand, represent the “senior” members, the partners, the full profs. They get advantages, because the folks they represent carry major weight. Dims “represent” workers, darkies, druggies, hippies, the lower orders, inconsequential drones.
That’s why the Dims cannot, as a matter of discursive practice, pull the same shit the Pukes have long since perfected…
General Winfield Stuck
@Ron Beasley:
And where is Rove and his Brain Sake now. On the history shitlist. Nixon promised to end Vietnam quickly but escalated it to the tune of an extra 30 thousand dead, 5 years later he pulled the plug and even then it took a dem congress to do that with dropping funding.
And yes, Nixon was a gooper, it is somewhat different for a dem to pick up a floundering war and try to make up for mistakes. But of course, the difference with Afghanistan is it was the launching pad of the largest attack ever on US soil. If you ask most democrats, they still support the effort, for now.
And even if it proves to screwed up to correct Bush mistakes, I doubt many on the left will propose just letting the Taliban and OBL pick up where they left off. So as to plan another attack. I would agree there is a point, maybe not to far off, where if not successful a descalation of the ground war will be necessary for Obama politically with the base and independents. but we’re not there yet.
Were you a Hillary supporter, btw?
John O
@Woody:
Right on, Woody.
Throw in the weirdly undemocratic nature of the Senate and for-profit Media and World and you have a perfectly natural rightward tilt.
Ron Beasley
@John O: No, I was never a Hillary supporter – too hawkish for me. Yes I was a sucker!
John O
@Ron Beasley:
Ron, you meant that for the General.
But c’mon, “hawkish” has been a problem since DFH Eisenhower told us we’d better pay attention.
Steeplejack
@cbear:
Dagwood’s boss is J.C. Dithers.
tc125231
Why do you publicize McGerbil? She has the reasoning capabilities of wet toilet paper….
Ron Beasley
@John O: I knew I hit the wrong CR as soon as it was posted but by then it was too late. And you are right – no body listened to Ike and we are all paying the price.
Mike P
@John Cole:
“Get out of here with that glibertarian bullshit. Go apply for a Reason internship.”
This made my week.
L. Ron Obama
@cbear:
Mr. Beasley is the mailman Dagwood is perpetually colliding with in the morning.
tc125231
@Makewi: No, obviously you are poorly informed and have limited reasoning capabilities. Go hang around with McGerbil –you’ll firt right in.
Wile E. Quixote
@John Cole
Dude, you don’t understand, he *did* apply for the Reason internship, and they told him to fuck off back to the interwebz. He also hit on Megan McArdle, but she said that she already had an smug and incoherent libertarian boyfriend who was also taller than Makewi. Balloon Juice is all he has left. Well that or writing about how all women are bitches who rejected him while cleaning his gun collection.
Brachiator
@Makewi:
Huh? What? “Tax cut” is the shorthand of the layman and amateur. Tax reductions can consist of a number of items, including exclusions, rate reductions, and credits. Any of these make some people erroneously believe that they are simply getting some of their own money back when they can take advantage of them. The reality is more complicated.
In any event, you are apparently incapable of addressing the issues I raised in my earlier post, and clearly don’t understand the tax system.
Church Lady
@cbear #43:
The most? Really? I thought I held that record. :)
I’ve been off the grid for four days – took the youngest off to college this weekend and moved him into his dorm room. I’m now an empty nester and just a little bit down about it. I’ll have to back track and see what Makewi wrote to earn so many F-bombs in a single thread to cheer me up.
cbear
@Church Lady: Aren’t you the same nice woman who changed her nic to Church Lady after a bunch of comments you and I exchanged last year???
cbear
@L. Ron Obama: I stand corrected as to his job description, BUT my main point was that he was/is a fricking cartoon character. Much like the current Mr. Beasely.
@Steeplejack: Also. Too.
Blogreeder
@cbear
Wasn’t the title of that daily brief Bin Laden determined to strike the twin towers within the U.S. on September 11th? You’re so last year.