The Dumbest Man In America

Is Glenn Beck.






143 replies
  1. 1
    Michael D. says:

    The sky is blue.

    Nancy Grace is dumb as a bag of hammers.

    Etc.

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    CalD says:

    …and?

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    Napoleon says:

    John, you can now remove the "consistently wrong since 2002" from the top of your website.

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    jibeaux says:

    Now Hannity’s website has to do a new poll on secession / revolution, to include an option for "gunning down your family plus some unfortunate strangers". See, they’ve had a new idea in the last thirty years!

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    Leo v.2.0 says:

    Have I been banned for attempting to link to wikipedia, or what?

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    Atanarjuat says:

    A man can only be pushed so far until he snaps.

    Who’s to say that the Alabama shooter wasn’t so marginalized by society that he was driven to madness?

    As always, I must remind the knee-jerk haters that this doesn’t excuse the actions of the murderer, nor does analyzing motives or any possible catalyst diminish the tragedy in any way.

    -A

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    GSD says:

    30 years ago a ranting lunatic like Beck would have been communicating to a handful of people via ham radio from a bunker in Idaho. Thanks to the Limbaugh effect of defining political deviancy downward and to amoral money grubbers like Rupert Murcock, he gets to spread his raging paranoia daily in prime time.

    -GSD

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    eyepaddle says:

    BIll O’Reilly–the voice of reason. I bet that felt strange–even to him.

    I always try to avoid feeding the trolls, atanarjuat, but other than some random gut feeling do you ‘n’ Glenn have even the faintest of reasons to say this?

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    Josh Hueco says:

    Dave Neiwart’s going to either become a millionaire chronicling this bullshit for the next eight years or he’s going to die from a stroke caused by disgust.

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    Michael says:

    Thankfully Bill O’Reilly (!) was around to act as the voice of reason (!) and observe that spree killing seem more related to mental illness than to political disagreement.

    When Bill O’Reilly is the most rational person in the discussion, you know things have left the rails.

    I’ve taken lately to watching Beck with the sound turned off. He looks like he’s ready for a commitment.

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    Svensker says:

    @Atanarjuat:

    A man can only be pushed so far until he snaps.
    Who’s to say that the Alabama shooter wasn’t so marginalized by society that he was driven to madness?

    An empathy you are glad to extend to Palestinians, as well. Oh, wait. What? Never mind!

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    jenniebee says:

    I don’t know about that, John. What about the three dozen people who watch him without either abhorrence or irony? They’re pretty dumb too.

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    Gordon, The Big Express Engine says:

    BOB says that Glenn Beck is an up and comer and the one to keep an eye on. So I guess this post just makes me confused.

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    jibeaux says:

    Does anyone remember Chris Rock after Columbine, talking about how people explained that the shooters didn’t have a lot of friends, etc…

    "Whatever happened to crazy? Don’t we have crazy people any more?"

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    Atanarjuat says:

    Svensker, how can you compare the (thankfully) rare derangement that would drive a lone gunman to a shooting spree to that of a murderous, Islamic culture who has vowed undying hatred for Jews?

    You’re comparing apples to cannonballs, I’m afraid.

    -A

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    jibeaux says:

    Who’s to say that the Alabama shooter wasn’t so marginalized by society that he was driven to madness?

    It would, of course, be irresponsible not to speculate…

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    The Moar You Know says:

    You’ve really walked off the edge when Bill O’Reilly is the voice of reason and sanity. Glenn Beck needs to be forcibly institutionalized.

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    Zifnab says:

    @Atanarjuat:

    Who’s to say that the Alabama shooter wasn’t so marginalized by society that he was driven to madness? WOLVERINES!

    @Svensker: That’s completely different. Palestinians might be segregated within their own country, arrested without due process, and constantly at risk of having their houses bulldozed, but they don’t get hassled for political correctness. They’re allowed to say whatever they want before they’re shot at.

    Glenn Beck has it right. Conservatives are the most marginalized, victimized, and martyred minority group in the world. If this wasn’t the greatest country on earth, their lives would be intolerable.

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    wasabi gasp says:

    I was marginalized by society and all I got was the blood of my victims splattered all over my stinkin’ t-shirt.

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    camchuck says:

    Glenn Beck: Providing a public voice for the batshit insane so that they aren’t forced to murder the rest of us.

    And y’all thought he had no public value.

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    Tom Hilton says:

    Very dumb, yes…but also, perhaps, just a little self-aware. As in, maybe he’s telling us he would go on a spree killing if he were "pushed too far".

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    jibeaux says:

    @Zifnab:

    Amen, brother. I mean, the fairness doctrine, people! How are people supposed to avoid committing random acts of horrific violence when there are internet rumors that some guy somewhere wants to bring back the fairness doctrine? It’s just asking too much. A person can only endure so long with Fox, free republic, a carton of cheetos and a shrine to Sarah Palin. Sooner or later the involvement of high caliber ammunition is simply inevitable.

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    Zifnab says:

    @Tom Hilton: He’d be all over the news for weeks. So nothing would change.

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    Faux News says:

    Why you guys even bother feeding the Antana-whats-its-name Troll is beyond me. At least B.O.B. is mildly entertaining.

    Anyway I always thought it was the Grammar & Spelling Nazis on the internet boards that cause people to snap and go on killing sprees. I’m glad that Glenn Beck has proven me wrong.

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    SGEW says:

    A demi-serious note:

    Someone should really alert the SPLC about Brick Oven Bill. Not to make you paranoid, Bill, but "better safe than sorry," and all that . . . .

    [I am assuming that they already have a file open on Mr. Beck]

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    jibeaux says:

    I call him Big Tuna, and usually ignore him, but sometimes I enjoy freestyling a little. Philosophical question for discussion: can you riff on a troll’s comment without feeding the troll, or is any response at all troll food? What do YOU think?

    Crazy First.

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    John Cole says:

    Brick Oven Bill just earned himself a week time-out.

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    Martin says:

    A weekend diversion for all:
    Transcript of the story meetings for Raiders of the Lost Ark

    It’s 125 pages long, took place over 5 days, and lets you peek inside how Lucas/Spielberg think out a story. I’ve just started it…

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    AhabTRuler says:

    @patrick: Yes, but to be fair to Victoria, it was always obvious that she was a moron. Not funny, either.

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    Martin says:

    A man can only be pushed so far until he snaps.

    True, but it’s guys like Beck doing the pushing. I mean, the guy is in freaking Alabama – it’s not like he’s got a bunch of Berkley hippies outside his door telling him to stop eating meat. He’s in a blood-red Republican state, with a Republican governor, a megachurch for every town, and no safety net, just as the GOP likes it.

    (See you in a week Bill. Come back with more tractors and less crazy, please.)

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    eyepaddle says:

    Shorter B.O.B

    White people think, black people run fast and catch stuff.

    People don’t think you’re a crazy racist because you buck the "higher ed" view of evolution–they think that because you say batantly nutty things.

    Look into "bottlenecks" and "motivation" and then get back to us with another well thought out example of evolution.

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    GP says:

    Could it be that Beck is Lou Dobbs son? You know the one that never got to ride the horses

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    eyepaddle says:

    Rather than edit I’ll just say thanks to John.

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    norbizness says:

    After seeing him stink up Obsidian Wings’ joint for months on end, I’ve concluded that BOB is part Steve Sailer and part Ken Clean-Air System.

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    Zifnab says:

    @Martin:

    He’s in a blood-red Republican state, with a Republican governor, a megachurch for every town, and no safety net, just as the GOP likes it.

    Yeah, funny how you never hear about conservatives losing it and going on shooting rampages in blue states.

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    Comrade Stuck says:

    @John Cole:

    Ah shucks, I missed it. must have been one of BoB’s patented Genome doozies. My favorite to mock.

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    lutton says:

    Is this part of Beck’s crazy "We Surround Them FRIDAY!" initiative?

    http://www.glennbeck.com/conte.....198/21018/

    Do you watch the direction that America is being taken in and feel powerless to stop it?

    Do you believe that your voice isn’t loud enough to be heard above the noise anymore?

    Do you read the headlines everyday and feel an empty pit in your stomach…as if you’re completely alone?

    If so, then you’ve fallen for the Wizard of Oz lie. While the voices you hear in the distance may sound intimidating, as if they surround us from all sides—the reality is very different. Once you pull the curtain away you realize that there are only a few people pressing the buttons, and their voices are weak. The truth is that they don’t surround us at all.

    We surround them.

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    lutton says:

    oh, PS…hat tip to Philly-Bits for the Beck info:

    http://twitter.com/philly_bits/status/1321257024

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    Martin says:

    Do you watch the direction that America is being taken in and feel powerless to stop it?

    Sounds like the opening line for a tv ad for the Ronco assault-o-matic. "It’s a floor wax! It’s an assault rifle! It’s two things in one!"

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    Joey Maloney says:

    30 years ago a ranting lunatic like Beck would have been communicating to a handful of people space aliens via ham radio his fillings from a bunker in Idaho.

    Fixt for your convenience.

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    Brian J says:

    Thankfully I just had to see what the site address was to get Beck’s "point." You see, while I’m all for seeing what the other side has to say, I’m dead set against wasting my time with goons like Hannity and Beck. I don’t know if I’ve ever actually seen him live or read something’s written; I think I’ve mostly come across it by third party sources. I don’t know if that’s right, but it doesn’t seem like I am missing much.

    Now, I get that a lot of people feel individuals like Olbermann and Beck are the same. I guess they have similar qualities in that they are both partisans, but I don’t think Olbermann’s a polemicist in such a negative way. He may have an insufferable personality to some, and he may be willing to throw punches a little too freely some times, but he doesn’t exist merely to cause trouble like a town drunk.

    With that in mind, I find it incredible the number of people who aren’t brain dead conservatives but instead educated and for the most part reasonable who follow Glenn Beck. What they see is anybody’s guess.

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    gbear says:

    question: How far can someone take that crap and not get pulled off the air? He’s heading into Westboro Church territory.

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    Svensker says:

    @Atanarjuat:

    Islamic culture who has vowed

    Grammar fail.

    The rest is just beyond fail and not even worth swatting down.

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    Martin says:

    but I don’t think Olbermann’s a polemicist in such a negative way

    No, Olberman mocks, mainly. We have a pretty high tolerance for that over what Beck does. That said, I find Olberman to be fairly insufferable. I could watch Rachel 24/7, though. She wins double style points for coming off like a completely normal person and actually focusing on things that I think matter to the audience.

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    Michael says:

    Glenn has a poll!

    http://www.yourvotepoll.com/gl.....0&c1=

    It keeps referring me to ad sites when I vote "no". What a lowlife – basically, he signs you up for spam just to try and vote no.

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    Atanarjuat says:

    I understand, Svensker. When a liberal has no counter-argument, they lunge for the low-hanging fruit of grammatical errors.

    You’ll be pleased to know that I found your (non)response predictable.

    Meanwhile, your comparison of the lone Alabama shooter to an entire Islamic culture bent on the eradication of Jews in the Middle East is still inappropriate.

    Thanks for playing. There’s no door prize, though. Sorry.

    -A

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    Ricky Bobby says:

    Hannity is a partisan hack. Coulter is a used up drag queen of the right relegated to the vaudeville tents. Bill O is an impotent megalomaniac still struggling with the fact he went to "journalism" school instead of becoming a Navy SEAL. El Rushbo is just high.

    Glenn Beck, on the other hand, is a true believer. The true believers are the ones who actually scare me.

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    r€nato says:

    The cult of right-wing victimhood had devolved to the point that it can be used to justify mass murder.

    Awesome.

    Time for another book by Malkin or Coulter about how the left is unhinged.

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    Foxhunter says:

    It will only be a matter of time before some Alabama variation of the ‘Knoxville Church Shooter’s Manifesto’ is found. The full PDF can be found here.

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    Brian J says:

    @Martin:

    I think you prove my point. With KO, whether you agree with him politically or can stand to listen to him enough even if you disagree with him, the question is more his tone, not whether he says completely nutty things day after day. You can think he’s an asshole for a bunch of reasons, but he’s not throwing Molotov cocktails like Beck.

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    Cain says:

    @John Cole:

    Brick Oven Bill just earned himself a week time-out.

    What did he do? WTF, what am I going to read and drink to now??!

    sri

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    Zifnab says:

    @gbear: Well, they make an excellent point. God does hate fags.

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    amorphous says:

    Has anyone actually looked at the Glenn Beck "sleeper cell" website for "We surround them! Friday"? This is principle number 8, according to Beck:

    8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.

    Excuse me while I clean up the milk that just shot out of my nose.

    Fuck you, Glenn Beck.

    Now I see lutton already linked it. My point still stands: Fuck you, Glenn Beck. Go drink some mercury, asshole.

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    Cain says:

    You know… I don’t think I’ve ever seen Atanjunk and BoB post at the same time…. dum dum dum dum!

    cain

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    Zifnab says:

    @Atanarjuat:

    Thanks for playing. There’s no door prize, though. Sorry.

    Wrong again, A. Here’s your pie. Tell me that shit’s not delicious.

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    Dennis-SGMM says:

    It isn’t coincidental that in the forty years since the Nixon administration began the Republican habit of nonstop whining about conservative victimhood that the mass murderers are inevitably righty wingnuts. Victimhood and denying the consequences of their actions are the only consistent things about them.

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    Zifnab says:

    One other question re: The Dumbest Man In America.

    Where does this leave Douglas Feith?

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    Incertus says:

    @Zifnab:

    Where does this leave Douglas Feith?

    Still clueless, too stupid to realize just how stupid he really is.

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    Trollhattan says:

    Beck and Norman, er, Ahmadinejad make a bold and ironic plea for gun control. Probably not what they intended, but there ya go.

    To clarify, real men don’t snap. Real men steel themselves and push back in an intelligent fashion. Now, when the pushing is imaginary we have a problem, Houston. Zoloft? Nah, Thorazine!

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    Comrade Dread says:

    Attention Republicans and Conservatives:

    STOP MAKING BILL O’REILLY SEEM SANE!

    It’s very disconcerting.

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    Ed Drone says:

    What I just don’t get is that these nuts are "driven to distraction" by "Political Correctness?" You mean just because they’re not allowed to call niggers, "niggers" or fags, "fags" or whores, "whores," they go out and shoot up the town? Really? They’re being made to stop being racist, homophobic and misanthropic in a society working its way out of racism, etc., and they can’t take it? Are you serious?

    What part of "love your neighbor" don’t these assholes understand?

    I guess I’ll have to start being more PC, too, then, and refrain from calling assholes, "assholes," war-mongers, "war-mongers," and racist scum-sucking bottom-feeder brain-dead shitheads, "Republicans."

    /snark
    Ed

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    dslak says:

    @Ed Drone: Don’t do that, Ed, or else you’ll end up turning into a mass murderer.

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    Comrade Dread says:

    Do you watch the direction that America is being taken in and feel powerless to stop it?

    Well, I did for eight years.

    You know what I didn’t do?

    I didn’t run out and gun down all of my loved ones and random strangers to feel empowered.

    Because I’m SANE.

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    Michael says:

    @foxhunter (post 50)

    The Knoxville Shooter Manifesto reads like a screed from Jim Robinson and about half the posters at FR.

    And increasingly like Glenn Beck.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Is Glenn Beck.

    But only by a hair.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Where does this leave Douglas Feith?

    Sticking an ice-pick is his brain to catch up.

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    jrosen says:

    Feith is the dumbest guy on the planet (h/t Tommy Franks. But that was a while ago. Beck is coming up strong on the outside.

    But seriously folks, when does this sort of thing become the equivalent of shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater? When is the next Timothy McVeigh going to take Beck, Hannity, Coulter and company for real and take his Magnum .357 into a mall in Massachusetts? Isn’t incitement to riot and/or murder a crime in itself?

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    Dennis-SGMM says:

    At least the shooter didn’t kill any embryos. That would have been bad.

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    It’s going to be a long hot summer.

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    me says:

    Since he left Headline News, Beck has gone from being nuts to full on completely fucking crazy. Was that in his Fox contract?

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    The Moar You Know says:

    You mean just because they’re not allowed to call niggers, "niggers" or fags, "fags" or whores, "whores," they go out and shoot up the town?

    @Ed Drone: Well, yes. I thought everybody did that. They don’t?

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    anonevent says:

    @Dennis-SGMM: But if he kills an unborn baby is he made a hero or executed?

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    Atanarjuat says:

    Dennis, this shit’s not funny. An 18-month-old toddler was shot dead. Trying to tie this to the pro-life/pro-choice debate is not at all cool.

    You liberals can yuck it up all you want and attribute this savage and senseless violence to the "philosophy" of bible-‘n’-gun-totin’ wingnutZ, but the fact is that no SANE person would have committed such a murderous atrocity — regardless of political belief.

    The young man in question was fucked in the head, and it’s just as fucked up that no one caught the warning signs before it was too late. Whatever it was that drove him over the edge IS worth understanding, having nothing to do with excusing this shit, conservative ideology, or the rantings of that blowhard, Glenn Beck.

    -A

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    Zifnab says:

    @anonevent: Was the baby liberal?

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    Zifnab says:

    The young man in question was fucked in the head, and it’s just as fucked up that no one caught the warning signs before it was too late.

    Aaaand we’re back to the gay bashing. Thanks for the insight A.

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    dslak says:

    Shorter Atanarjuat: Mass murders carried about by deranged individuals should be politicized only when doing so is to the advantage of conservatives!

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    Atanarjuat says:

    Zifnab — GAY bashing?

    Are you drunk or something?

    -A

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    Zifnab says:

    @Atanarjuat: You just dropped everything about the guy and made wide-eyed allegations about his sexual habits, then pinned it all on that. And frankly, that’s bigoted and disgusting. And I pity you.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    @Dennis-SGMM: The ChristCons can rest easy. He shot a toddler, a mom, and a bunch of people, including some people just out for a stroll, but no embryos or fetuses (what the hell is the plural of fetus? Fetuses? Fetii?) were harmed in bringing you this episode of Americans Excercising Their God-Given Right To Own And Use Asssault Rifles, Part 2,198,032.

    @Atanarjuat: You know what’s also not cool? Your pearl-clutching concern trolling that tries to frame this murderer as a well-meaning patriot driven to insanity by the vicious liberals who wouldn’t let him call a black man a nigger.

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    amorphous says:

    @Atanarjuat: 2/10

    Sane people do murder. Rational people do not.

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    r€nato says:

    I literally cannot remember the last time someone went on a mass murder spree for left-wing political reasons. You’d probably have to go back to the 60s "New Left" to find that, and even then you are not talking about shooting sprees, it’s more like bombs which were intended to damage property not people. Which doesn’t excuse it, but it’s not the same thing as intentionally setting out to kill as many people as you can.

    However I can think of several home-grown terrorists and mass murderers who killed for political reasons, and were right-wingers.

    Tim McVeigh.

    Eric Rudolph.

    That guy in the south last year (Tennessee?) who went on a killing spree and did it because he was pissed off at liberals ruining America. Turned out he was a huge fan of right-wing hate radio and guys like Hannity and Savage and O’Reilly. I remember he shot up a Unitarian church.

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    Ricky Bobby says:

    @jrosen (68)

    Yes.

    When does this kind of shit turn into incitement to commit violence? The fact that anyone would ever listen to Glenn is shocking enough, much less take him seriously, but all it takes is one in a few million and you have some dead innocents.

    Beck is acting irresponsibly.

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    kay says:

    "@Atanarjuat:

    The young man in question was fucked in the head, and it’s just as fucked up that no one caught the warning signs before it was too late. Whatever it was that drove him over the edge IS worth understanding, having nothing to do with excusing this shit, conservative ideology, or the rantings of that blowhard, Glenn Beck.

    -A

    He couldn’t hold a job. It had nothing to do with "political correctness", and there were no warning signs, unless getting fired repeatedly is a warning sign. Beck is the one using this to push conservative ideology.

    Incidentally, he was once fired for not wearing earplugs.
    He wore earplugs on the shooting spree.

    "Authorities say McLendon had struggled to keep a job and left behind lists of employers and co-workers he believed had wronged him. The lists found in McLendon’s home included Reliable Metals, which forced him to resign years ago, a sausage factory from which he suddenly quit last week and a poultry plant that suspended his mother, District Attorney Gary McAliley said.
    The pages torn from a spiral notebook included names of co-workers, including one who reported him for not wearing ear plugs, another who made him clean a meat grinder and a supervisor who didn’t like the way he cut pork chops, McAliley said."

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    Arachnae says:

    Frank Gaffney is apparently vying with Glenn for the title. Apparently the current bit of rightwing revisionism is that Saddam was behind OKC. … oooooookay?

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    Michael says:

    You know what’s also not cool? Your pearl-clutching concern trolling that tries to frame this murderer as a well-meaning patriot driven to insanity by the vicious liberals who wouldn’t let him call a black man a nigger.

    But didn’t you know that the greatest, highest expression of Southern freedom is the ability of the Southern white man to call somebody a nigger without being criticized for it?

    It is such a noble tradition, something that generations of beloved brothers, sister, parents and grandparents held on to.

    It is about as noble as Southern Christianity, which made sure it talked lots and lots about vice and sin while supporting the God given right of white men to politically and economically repress their neighbors in the black community. Imagine the Southern-style courage it took for beloved parents, grandparent, aunts, uncles and teachers to look the other way and remain silent while black people were prohibited from participating in the economic and political life of their own communities.

    Yessiree, Southern Christian Conservatism is all about courage, nobility and action.

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    r€nato says:

    Apparently the current bit of rightwing revisionism is that Saddam was behind OKC. … oooooookay?

    gee that one was floated by some of the MSM at the time and has been pretty well shot down repeatedly.

    You’d think that if there were proof of Saddam being behind OKC, Bush/Cheney might have cited that in their push for war.

    Apparently the right-wing is in such disarray that they have nothing left but recycling long-discredited conspiracy theories.

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    Michael says:

    Frank Gaffney is apparently vying with Glenn for the title. Apparently the current bit of rightwing revisionism is that Saddam was behind OKC. … oooooookay?

    Frank is just plain nuts, and has been for decades.

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    Don SinFalta says:

    Stupid isn’t the same thing as batshit insane. Glenn Beck is nuts, too detached from reality for stupid to even apply. Dumbest man in America? It’s a tossup among (at least) Douglas Feith, Donald Luskin, and Larry "black hole of stupid" Kudlow.

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    Josh Hueco says:

    Semi-OT: Get caught driving black, they’ll take your jack (clap clap clap)/ Deep in the heart of Texas.

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    Tonal Crow says:

    Yessiree, cons have it hard in America. We routinely raid their meetings, imprison them indefinitely without charges, send their children to re-education camps run by Castro, bulldoze their houses, shut down their radio, TV, and news properties and give them to communists, assault and batter them on every street corner, hang them from bridges, sell them into slavery, desecrate their churches by filling them with pig shit, use them to test new "enhanced interrogation methods", deport them, deny them access to the courts, starve them, sow their fields with salt, curse them with a thousand unhealing wounds each, subject them to witch-dunking…there’s just not enough room to list the injustices America inflicts on cons.

    And, oh yeah, we criticize their political ideology.

    I am just awed that so few cons go gun-wild given this terrible record of repression.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    @r€nato: More:

    James Kopp
    Paul Hill
    Michael Griffin
    John Salvi
    Shelley Shannon
    Donald Cooper
    Clayton Waagner

    and the most recent guy, Jim Adkisson.

    There are so many more it would take days to compile them all.

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    r€nato says:

    it’s just as fucked up that no one caught the warning signs before it was too late.

    you can’t always tell a disturbed person from a disturbed person who is thinking of committing mass murder if one more person wrongs him (it’s nearly always a male who does these things).

    My stepbrother committed suicide last November. He was a deeply unhappy person, very angry with the entire world and likely had a long list of people who’d wronged him residing somewhere in his head. He had a chemical imbalance which made him manic-depressive. He also had a hard time keeping a job. I am not an FBI profiler but I’ve got a pretty good hunch that he fit quite a number of the criteria for one of those folks who end up going on a shooting spree.

    He was 38 when he shot himself in the head two days before Thanksgiving. Frankly, I am surprised (though gratified) that if he was going to go out like that, that he didn’t decide to take some people with him. We didn’t even know he owned a firearm. Like I said, he was a very angry and disturbed person. He seemed like an ideal candidate to become one of these spree shooters. We’ll never know why he didn’t do something like that but of course we’re eternally grateful that whatever it was, restrained him from doing that.

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    r€nato says:

    You know what I didn’t do? I didn’t run out and gun down all of my loved ones and random strangers to feel empowered.

    can you imagine what might have happened had Gore taken the White House in a manner like Bush took the White House in 2000?

    I can, and I’d say it’s about 50-50 that Rush, Hannity and the rest of that crew would have whipped the right-wing into such a state of fury that some right-wing ‘patriot’ would have taken it on himself to settle some scores with evil liberals.

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    crustaceanette says:

    Beck is just masturbating his wingnuttery all over the place, spooging all over the teevee screen. Disgusting.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @John Cole:

    Brick Oven Bill just earned himself a week time-out.

    I heard they go on shooting sprees when ya try to stifle their beautiful minds. Anyone know where BOB lives so I can attempt to avoid the carnage?

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    amorphous says:

    @Arachnae: Links, plz?

    @Don SinFalta: I also think Hannity is dumb. And I mean plain stupid unintelligent. I wish (maybe? maybe not?) I could convince myself that he were smart and was just doing an act, but I think he is actually just an uninformed, disinterested, stupid, stupid person.

    @Josh Hueco: I think we both touched on the overarching theme of Texas yesterday.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    I can, and I’d say it’s about 50-50 that Rush, Hannity and the rest of that crew would have whipped the right-wing into such a state of fury that some right-wing ‘patriot’ would have taken it on himself to settle some scores with evil liberals.

    @r€nato: It doesn’t take much to set these guys off.

    Left out of the article is the nasty fact that his main weapon in killing his victims was a steam iron.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    Bald erscheint hier das amerikanische Freikorps, frisches von Irak.

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    crustaceanette says:

    I noted here a few days before the shooting that some of the unemployed are bound to be committing suicide and/or taking people with them, partly b/c they cannot get the mental health treatment they need, provided they recognize they have a problem, since they have no insurance. A mentally ill person w/o meds and therapy to help them deal in a world they pretty much don’t understand is a tragedy waiting to happen, especially when they have been wounded and there is nothing more devastating, besides losing a loved one, than losing your job. I don’t care if you are a wingnut or not. That’s something that can push you over the edge. But I still don’t know what has come out about why this guy did what he did, but I know he was let go from his job.

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    r€nato says:

    @amorphous: regarding Hannity, I think the word you are searching for is, ‘ignorant’. Dumb? I dunno. "Dumb" means (to me) someone who is incapable of learning beyond a certain, basic level. "Ignorant" means (to me) someone who may well be naturally intelligent but chooses not to become more educated.

    Hannity is above all a bully, and he’s used that quality to his advantage. Funny how so many of these right-wing douchenozzles are, at the end of the day, just bullies. Bush is a bully, Rush, O’Reilly, go right down the line and it is the one character trait they all share in common.

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    Josh Hueco says:

    @amorphous:
    Yes, I think we did. I hope you choose to stay in Austin. We need more lefties in this state so badly.

    @r€nato:
    I’m so sorry to hear about your stepbrother. I live with depression and bipolar myself, and thankfully manage both with medication. Even though I can’t afford insurance, I’m lucky enough to be able to pay for meds out of pocket for now. If I couldn’t…well, I know I wouldn’t be able to do the things I do now, school- and workwise. As much as we joke about crazy people going off, mental illness is severely neglected and undertreated in this country. :(

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    r€nato says:

    I forgot all about the wackjob who assassinated Denver left-wing radio host Alan Berg.

    It was a conspiracy by some Aryan Nation white supremacists but the actual shooter was one Bruce Pierce, so add him to the list.

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    crustaceanette says:

    unless getting fired repeatedly is a warning sign.

    Yes, it is

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    r€nato says:

    @Josh Hueco: Josh, thanks. He did not want to take his meds. He was filled with self-loathing and bent on self-destruction. It’s really a shame because he had lots of help from his father. There was no need for him to kill himself, it’s not as if he was left on his own to fend for himself.

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    crustaceanette says:

    Josh Hueco: me too, same thing, managing with meds and recently had to start going to therapy – if I wasn’t fortunate enough to be able to do that, I would not be able to work and hold down a job (when I can find one) – really, folks do not understand how devastating an illness it can be unless they have it themselves — again, I see lots more suffering on the way unless all these folks get help — losing your job is enough to drive "normal" folks insane (especially when you can’t find another one, no matter how hard you try), so the issue of mental health care is going to come to forefront eventually whether the general public wants to deal with it or not

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    amorphous says:

    @r€nato: Ignorant is quite possibly a better description, but I believe that part of his problem (and part of the problem of all the knee-jerk reactionaries) is an actual inability to think beyond the very first step, to see the ultimate outcome. That, to me, fits very well into the "stupid" moniker.

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    amorphous says:

    @Arachnae: Ho lee shit.

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    r€nato says:

    an actual inability to think beyond the very first step

    well see, that’s what I have been saying for quite some time. The devolution of the right-wing into an echosphere and top-down distribution of daily talking points to be mindlessly repeated by their lackeys for consumption by the proles may promote ideological discipline, but it also promotes intellectual atrophy and we’re now seeing the results of that, a political movement which simply cannot think for itself because it has forgotten how to do that.

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    Gordon, The Big Express Engine says:

    Renato – your description was chilling because in many respects this is what happened to one of my best friends. Time frame (early dec), age (37), refusal to take meds and a lot of the details are eerily similar, including the bit about the father.

    In other news, what did BOB due to earn a temporary ban?

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    Michael says:

    Here’s a couple of nice stories about Free Republic’s nuts

    Cop Killer Don Matthews (nickname: matsuidon)

    http://www.splcenter.org/intel.....sp?pid=948

    Matthews basically ambushed a young cop on a routine stop. Robinson scrubbed his record, but there were lots of posts showing just how unhinged he was and his intent.

    Fake Anthrax letter sender Chad Conrad Castagana, posted as "Marc Costanzo" at FR.

    Investigators said that in addition to mailing letters to Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Letterman, Mr. Castagana sent them to Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York; Jon Stewart, host of the ”The Daily Show” on Comedy Central; and the MSNBC host Keith Olbermann. Some of them included phrases like ”death to demagogues” and pictures of victims of the 2004 Asian tsunami, the authorities said. Preliminary tests showed that the powder was not hazardous.

    l8pilot is Lourie Salley III, a LOS guy (meaning KKK in all but name). His wife, pistolpaknmama, was deeply enmeshed in FR early on via the South Carolina chapter.

    http://www.splcenter.org/intel.....sp?pid=462

    The Southern Legal Resource Center (SLRC), whose "chief trial counsel" is white supremacist Kirk Lyons, has in effect become the legal arm of the neo-Confederate movement.

    Billing itself as a defender against "heritage violations" — attacks on the culture and symbols of the old South — the SLRC formed in 1996 with the same office, phone number and many of the personnel of Lyons’ predecessor group, the racist CAUSE foundation.

    When the SLRC was created, the League of the South exulted, "Dixie’s answer to the ACLU has now formed!" Today, the League still solicits contributions for the nonprofit SLRC.

    The executive director of the SLRC is Lourie A. Salley III, a member of the speaker’s bureau of the League’s South Carolina chapter (that chapter’s Web site describes Salley as a specialist on the legal and constitutional grounds for partition of the United States).

    The SLRC is mainly run by Lyons and his brother-in-law Neill Payne, and it has handled a number of cases involving the Confederate battle flag. But controversy has dogged the SLRC in Oklahoma and Georgia because of Lyons’ extremist background.

    The SLRC has worked closely with the League, the Heritage Preservation Association, the Sons of Confederate Veterans and an array of other Confederate flag defenders.

    Salley’s use of Kirk Lyons as "Chief Trial Counsel" for the "SLRC" is telling – Lyons is Richard Butler’s (the founder of Aryan Nation) son-in-law.

    Its the sort of place where the soft side of the Klan conditions folks for harder ideologies.

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    crustaceanette says:

    Beck: "My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government."

    Herhm, I guess that leaves out all the unmarried Cheeto munchers. He may want to re-think the spouse thing.

    Oh, I forgot, you are a worthless piece of shit unless you are married with babies. If you have not spawned (I assume he has, the very thought of the end result sends shivers down my spine), your life has been a waste.

    Oh yeah, forgot he has a special needs child. Why don’t you just call him retarded, Glenn, like we did in the old days. Isn’t calling him "special" a real PC thing? Hello? K, according to your rules, I can come on your show and call your kid retarded and you won’t cry like you always do, how’s that?

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    JL says:

    This is from Beck’s wikipedia bio
    His early life was pitted with tragedies. His mother committed suicide when he was 13. One of his brothers-in-law also committed suicide. Another sibling reportedly had a fatal heart attack.[7]

    Beck is a self-described reformed alcoholic. In the aftermath of those three family tragedies, Beck said he used "Dr. Jack Daniels" and marijuana to cope. He and his first wife divorced amid his struggle with substance abuse. Beck cites the help of Alcoholics Anonymous in his sobriety, and he eventually converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which teaches against the consumption of alcohol.

    His life has not been easy but that should not excuse his hateful rants.

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    Atanarjuat says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Bull fucking shit, dickhole.

    At no point did I show "pearl-clutching concern trolling that tries to frame this murderer as a well-meaning patriot driven to insanity by the vicious liberals who wouldn’t let him call a black man a nigger."

    Unless you can quote me CHAPTER and VERSE where I try to frame this as ANYTHING but a monstrous tragedy that was undetected until it was too late, then please kindly STFU.

    The young man is anything but a patriot, and the leftist attempt to once again pin a mass murder on conservatives is getting really fucking old.

    One of the victims is an 18-month-old toddler is dead, goddamn you. Get your moral compass fixed already.

    -A

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    Michael says:

    atar@#115

    Um, you might want to review your #6 again before going off on an invective-laced tirade.

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    lilysmom says:

    Well it looks like a bunch of Conservotards decided to go off their meds last week….sigh.

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    Atanarjuat says:

    Yeah, Michael, I asked a question about where the shooter felt marginalized or not. Did you bother to read what I wrote right after that, in the same comment?

    Where am I excusing or framing anything?

    That’s weak sauce you’re serving, son.

    -A

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    The Moar You Know says:

    @JL: He stopped drinking but didn’t stop anything else.

    While it still doesn’t excuse his actions, his whole schtick makes a lot more sense now.

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    Martin says:

    Dennis, this shit’s not funny. An 18-month-old toddler was shot dead. Trying to tie this to the pro-life/pro-choice debate is not at all cool.

    Yeah, because Dennis is the one who ties those things together:

    Results 1 – 10 of about 2,560,000 for baby killer obama.

    The pro-life folks crossed that line around the time I was born. Take it up with them.

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    […] Yglesias at the end, there. John Cole calls Beck the dumbest man in America. I dunno… that’s a strong claim. Also in contention: Dr. Helen, Glenn […]

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    The Moar You Know says:

    @Atanarjuat: I, too, would be very upset if someone who identifies with my political beliefs murdered an 18-month old child.

    I understand that you would be angry with me, who pointed this unpleasant fact out to you.

    I forgive you.

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    chuck says:

    @Atanarjuat:

    Seriously, you’re being baited. Calm down. No one is seriously saying anything other than that this man was deranged well beforehand and that any "fault" is a pretty complex thing to pin down, between illness and hate.

    Except for Glenn Beck, who is saying the liburuls made him do it.

    Answer a straight question: is Glenn Beck right?

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    Martin says:

    Whatever it was that drove him over the edge IS worth understanding, having nothing to do with excusing this shit, conservative ideology, or the rantings of that blowhard, Glenn Beck.

    How do you know it has nothing to do with those things? Were all Nazis insane as well, or were many of them also following their ideology and the rantings of a blowhard?

    Don’t underestimate the power of ranting blowhards. Don’t overestimate it either, but to say they have no part to play here is to be completely ignorant of history. Even recent history.

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    bayville says:

    Agreed. But K-Lo deserves a chair at his side at the head of the table.

    The banks are insolvent. Unemployment is skyrocketing. The rate of home foreclosures are the highest since the 1930’s. And today the Fed announced the average American had their wealth decrease by almost 18 percent in 2008 — alone.
    In other words, Laisse Faire capitalism has proven to be a failure.

    So what does Sister Sandwich link to today: A video of an interview with the Godfather of Laisse Faire economic philosophy.

    Because It’s Friday [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
    Milton Friedman defends capitalism:

    Ask Governor ARoid out there in Caleefornia how Milton’s advice is working.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    @chuck: I’m not baiting anyone. Glenn Beck said that the evil liberals drove this guy over the edge. Atanarjuat agrees:

    Who’s to say that the Alabama shooter wasn’t so marginalized by society that he was driven to madness?

    So, by the process of deduction, the toddler-killer is a conservative who can’t handle the onerous restrictions that us brownshirted liberal fascists placed on him. Presumably he’s upset that he can’t call black men "niggers", fly a Confederate flag from his truck, threaten to shoot the president, or refuse to pay taxes.

    They want him, they can certainly own him. Seems like a dubious political strategy to me, but what do I know?

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    bago says:

    Atan: The joke just crossed over into Not OK territory. Don’t make me explain why.

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    Ivan Ivanovich Renko says:

    @Michael:

    But didn’t you know that the greatest, highest expression of Southern freedom is the ability of the Southern white man to call somebody akill a nigger without being criticized for it?

    Edited for accuracy.

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    crustaceanette says:

    He stopped drinking but didn’t stop anything else.

    A dry-drunk is a very bitter person, sometimes worse than when they are drunk, and, depending on the extent of the alcohol abuse, can destroy parts of the brain that involve reason. Everything is always everybody else’s fault. See George Bush and also his inability to articulate or accept any responsibility whatsoever for any of his actions. I think Beck may be suffering from some kind of dry-drunk paranoia. At any rate, it sure looks like a serious condition that has gone untreated — lots of these guys think all they have to do is join a fundie type church that will tell them exactly what to do and how to think and that they are man enough to handle the problem themselves—but it just makes ’em crazier. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about. The guy needs serious help and yet he has both his own teevee show and radio show.

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    Michael says:

    Yeah, Michael, I asked a question about where the shooter felt marginalized or not. Did you bother to read what I wrote right after that, in the same comment?

    OK, you stepped forward with one foot – let’s try the other step.

    What was it about society that marginalized him?

    And do you agree with Beck’s premise?

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    crustaceanette says:

    And, oh yeah, by the way, I am bat-shit insane, can I have my own teevee show?

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    Ed Drone says:

    @Atanarjuat:

    The young man is anything but a patriot, and the leftist attempt to once again pin a mass murder on conservatives is getting really fucking old.

    Glenn Beck is the one who claimed liberals drove this guy to do what he did. Liberals didn’t make the perp into a conservative — Glenn Back did. And you seem to have agree with Beck. Unless that isn’t what you are saying, in which you need to be a better writer.

    Ed

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    The Populist says:

    A man can only be pushed so far until he snaps.
    Who’s to say that the Alabama shooter wasn’t so marginalized by society that he was driven to madness?

    Thanks for the red meat. He lives in Alabama so one must assume conservative nonsense pushed him over the edge, eh?

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    The Populist says:

    Anybody see Chuck Norris’ nonsense on Worldnetdaily?

    Wowee, the right really do hate this country of ours.

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    The Populist says:

    Where am I excusing or framing anything?

    Nothing. You are rightfully implying that living in a small, conservative Republican stronghold with zero diversity of thought and culture made this man go on a rampage.

    I agree actually. It couldn’t have been liberal thinking. Was his family liberal? I doubt it. Even if they were, who kills their family unless either he got fed up with the rigid thought process involved with being conservative OR he shot his liberal family because so many con talkers made him believe they were evil and up to no good.

    Either way, your point is correct…

  136. 136
    The Populist says:

    The young man is anything but a patriot, and the leftist attempt to once again pin a mass murder on conservatives is getting really fucking old.

    Nah, you said it we didn’t. His environment made him this way. Either that or Rush and Sean put so much hate in his soul that he snapped.

    Either way, liberalism had nothing to do with this. Hate most likely did or bad policies that drove this country into our financial mess.

    I’m right and you know it. BTW – you should celebrate this man since you accuse anybody who disagrees with you as being "treasonous."

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    The Populist says:

    Frank Gaffney is apparently vying with Glenn for the title. Apparently the current bit of rightwing revisionism is that Saddam was behind OKC. … oooooookay?

    Chuck Norris ain’t too far behind – John or Doug, care to post some of the juicy tidbits from this article for discussion?

    Again, why do rightie fundie types hate this country so much:

    http://www.examiner.com/x-2071.....government

    The call by some right wing leaders for rebellion and for the military to refuse the commander in chief’s orders is joined by Chuck Norris who claims that thousands of right wing cell groups have organized and are ready for a second American Revolution. During an appearance on the Glen Beck radio show he promised that if things get any worse from his point of view he may “run for president of Texas.” The martial artist/actor/activist claims that Texas was never formally a part of the United States in the first place and that if rebellion is to come through secession Texas would lead the way.

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    Michael says:

    Looking at the photos, I’m struck by the homogeneity.

    http://www.meetup.com/WeSurrou.....s/#7611869

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    AnneLaurie says:

    Who’s to say that the Alabama shooter wasn’t so marginalized by society that he was driven to madness?

    Srlsy, Mark Ames has a thought-provoking post about this on EXILED ONLINE:

    Alabama Murder Mystery Solved

    So now we can go back to the question of motive, a question that Alabama investigators are running away from: rapacious corporations that cheat their workers and plunder the company wealth, a systematic bullying that extends all the way down to the way workers treat each other, and the sadism in the way they treat the chickens. It’s a snapshot of a vicious law-of-the-jungle world, and yet it’s just plain flat reality for most Americans.

    Put in this context, McLendon seems a lot less like a maniac, and more like a victim of maniacs, who finally snapped and lashed out — killing many of the “wrong” people, although judging by his list and what authorities had said earlier, he had plans to kill the right people, too.

    But this isn’t something Alabama authorities would want to expose: It would pissing off a serious company which is in the middle of choosing which plants to close, and it would mean creating some very confusing and potentially dangerous sympathy for McLendon.

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    The Populist says:

    But this isn’t something Alabama authorities would want to expose: It would pissing off a serious company which is in the middle of choosing which plants to close, and it would mean creating some very confusing and potentially dangerous sympathy for McLendon.

    Yep, I agree with this. Atan is wrong yet again. No liberal plot at all. This man snapped because of conservative policies that back corporations to do whatever they want with their employees.

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    gocart mozart says:

    4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.

    5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.

    Question for the moron Beck. If your spouse breaks the law, who is the ultimate authority. Bonus points if you can answer without your head exploding.

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    JWW says:

    Yeah,

    That is funny! I don’t often listen to him on radio and have yet to see him on TV. But since he pays more in taxes or spends on underwear than your yearly income, I would say there are better dumb asses out there than you.

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    2th&nayle says:

    @AnneLaurie: Glad to see that someone finally made reference to that article. I read it yesterday on Alternet, and it certainly helped bring an otherwise unfathomable tragedy into a little bit better focus. But it didn’t make it any easier to look at. So senseless. Chilling, really. Don’t want to sound like a doomsayer here; I believe we have some reasons to feel optimistic about the future. But I get the feeling this kind of thing is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

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