Polling notes

I just got off a conference call with the Greenberg-Quinlan-Rosner polling outfit and the big take away here is that the response to Obama’s speech was almost the same among Republicans as among Democrats. The phrase I heard was “I have never seen anything like this before.”

Another point is that the talk about the bank and mortgage plans went over extremely well (contra Santelli).

But mainly there an amazing uniformity between Republican and Democratic response to the speech.






96 replies
  1. 1
    Ned R. says:

    Well that means the Tea Party people have three days to counteract all that. And you just know they’re going to succeed.

    Uh.

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    El Cid says:

    Meaning, a positive response? A confused response? A negative response?

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    Rome Again says:

    WOW – what I saw on the MSNBC meter really was true?

    Republicans are cooked.

    :) Yipppeeeee!

    Jindal’s response must have only sealed that deal more.

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    burnspbesq says:

    This whole evening was realllllly good for McCain.

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    Gemina13 says:

    I watched Obama speak on MSNBC and could not believe what I saw on the meter. Republican and Democratic responses were damn near the same for the length of the speech.

    As for my family and I, we’re still floored. If Obama can accomplish a quarter of what he wants in this year, we will all vote for him in 2012, come what may. I’m so happy to hear an adult speak for my country again, and state the things that need to be done to lead us out of the mess we’re in. I think I kissed the TV twice.

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    DougJ says:

    Meaning, a positive response? A confused response? A negative response?

    A positive response. I don’t know if the overall response was shockingly positive but it was shocking how positive it was among Republicans.

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    Fwiffo says:

    Huh, I thought it was a nice speech and everything (par for the course for Obama), but the way people are gushing, you’d think it was the second coming of Convention 2004.

  8. 8
    Hawes says:

    Fineman couldn’t stop gushing on Countdown.

    He’ll be the new FDR by Easter.

    Jindal’s the new Alf Landon.

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    Jon H says:

    "Well that means the Tea Party people have three days to counteract all that."

    Knowing Chicago floor traders, I recommend that they stage a cigar-in. That’ll win everyone over.

  10. 10
    TR says:

    Knowing Chicago floor traders, I recommend that they stage a cigar-in.

    I have some suggestions on where they might cram the cigar.

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    Comrade Stuck says:

    The phrase I heard was “I have never seen anything like this before.”

    Neither have I. I was a wee lad when JFK gave some of his memorable speeches. I didn’t know what he was talking about but knew something special was going on from the adults response. A kind of sense of relief, and at that time, during the peak of the cold War, a unity at being American. I felt that way tonight watching this speech. And if the squirrelly Wall Street types don’t get some confidence from Obama’s commanding persona then they are hopeless narcissistic fools. Compared to Jindal’s "see spot run" GOP reply it was a thing of beauty.

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    MikeJ says:

    I wanted to see these polls. Google news. One of the results: "Polls: Never been a better time to legalize pot".

    Yippee!!!!!

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    Martin says:

    Huh, I thought it was a nice speech and everything (par for the course for Obama), but the way people are gushing, you’d think it was the second coming of Convention 2004.

    People are scared and if this speech was given just 6 weeks ago we would have had the Special Olympics of governance and speechifying up there in front of Congress. Compared to what we just left behind, people have every right to gush.

    Speeches are not compared in the absolute but in a given context, and in the context of recent SOTU addresses, this was a homerun. Granted, it would have been hard for it not to be given that 3 of the last 8 involved Bush promoting the ownership society that we’re now unliving at our great expense, yellowcake uranium that was knowingly a lie, and human/animal hybrids which was just fucking creepy.

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    Gwendy says:

    Fwiffo, I know what you mean. But then I just think that I’ve seen too many Obama speeches and paid too much attention. I take his speechifying for granted. I’m also fairly used to him treating me like an adult. It’s good to remember every now and then that it can be a pleasant surprise to people.

    Also, I think the speech started off fairly run-of-the-mill and got progressively better (as is usually the case with his speeches). At the end there, he was really cookin.

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    DougJ says:

    Huh, I thought it was a nice speech and everything (par for the course for Obama), but the way people are gushing, you’d think it was the second coming of Convention 2004.

    I didn’t watch the speech and I’m not gushing. I’m just repeating what Stan Greenberg and his assistant said. I am pretty sure they know what they are talking about.

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    Michael says:

    Amazing — everyone left, right and inter-planetary had about the same (generally positive) response and STILL the bobbleheads instantaneously insisted that the GOP hated every second of it.

    I believe I heard Stephy actually claim that the Republican side demonstrably stood only once. Laughable.

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    paul in kirkland says:

    Is it possible that the explanation for the high Republican numbers is that Republicans avoided watching Obama throughout the election, and even possibly during the inaugural, and today was the first time they actually watched him speak?

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    sgwhiteinfla says:

    Just fyi CNN had something like 82 percent approval of the speech but as Candy Crowly said over and over and over there were more Dems in the polling. But it would have damn near taken double the Dems to Rethugs to get a rating that high without significant Rethug approval.

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    But mainly there an amazing uniformity between Republican and Democratic response to the speech.

    In other words:

    I got your bipartisanship. Right. Here.

    Cool.

    Still, I fully expect at least three bobbleheads to engage in a wankathon over whether Obama might be too popular before the end of the week.

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    Lola says:

    I thought it was pretty amazing too. I sat on the edge of my seat the whole time and was excited to hear what came next. It was so direct without being simple I applaud the speechwriters. Republicans seemed to realize they were in deep shit since they started giving more standing O’s as the speech went on. The close-ups of them didn’t help their image. All white super old men.

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    Fwiffo says:

    I didn’t accuse you of gushing. God forbid. I was speaking of people generally; you’re not a people, are you? But the squiggles and the polls and the bobble-heads all seem pretty gushy.

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    @MikeJ:

    That’s change I can toke on!

    Positive speech by Obama and the tone-deaf Jindal response just makes it glaringly positive in contrast. Listening to Obama was like hearing a symphony in full swing.

    Listening to Jindal was like hearing a turd hit hit the ground. Repeatedly.

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    TheHatOnMyCat says:

    Jindal’s the new Alf Landon.

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    Gwendy says:

    I think Chris Matthews had the line of the night when he said that the only place in America Obama left open for anybody else is the far right. Jindal was proof. Thank you, sweet liberal Jesus.

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    Martin says:

    Just fyi CNN had something like 82 percent approval of the speech but as Candy Crowly said over and over and over there were more Dems in the polling. But it would have damn near taken double the Dems to Rethugs to get a rating that high without significant Rethug approval.

    It was 92%, actually.

    68% very positive
    24% somewhat positive
    8% negative

    I’m guessing there were 4 options and they just mashed the last two together.

    82% supported the stimulus plan, 17% opposed.

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    .
    Bobby Jindal.

    BWAHAWHAHHHAHAHAHEHEEHEEEHEEEEEHEHEHEHAHAW!!!!
    .

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    jibeaux says:

    @Martin:

    To be fair, he also talked about baseball.

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    Comrade Stuck says:

    I didn’t watch the speech and I’m not gushing.

    It feels good to gush after 8 years throwing spit balls at my teevee.

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    gwangung says:

    In other words:

    I got your bipartisanship. Right. Here.

    Damn straight.

    That’s what he’s been saying for the last 18 months; maybe folks will pay attention…

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    Cat Lady says:

    It’s amazing how much speaking rationally, coolly, confidently and truthfully matters. It’s beyond democratic and republican. His tone resonates, like he promised it would, when he said he would change the tone in Washington. We just didn’t know what he meant. Now we’re starting to get it. We have a PRESIDENT!

    Update: Even Candy Crowley just said that Jindal was speaking from a parallel universe.

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    TheHatOnMyCat says:

    Rollins on Jindal: This was a good night for Sarah Palin.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I loved that the governor of Louisiana had the balls to stand in front of the American people and claim they had it all under control until the gubbmint stepped in.

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    Fwiffo says:

    I think Josh Marshall’s comparison of Bobby Jindal to Kenneth on 30 Rock is exactly correct.

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    JenJen says:

    ZOMG… K-Lo is clearly hitting the meth pipe again!

    Jindal [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
    does exude a practical hope, rooted in things that work. And he forces the point that politics should be about ideas — competing ideas — and that the best ones should win.

    You can tell, though, that he’s used to just speaking (because he can) and not delivering prepared speeches.

    UPDATE: The MSNBC commentators look very unhappy and Rachel Maddow was speechless.

    I seriously cannot stop laughing. I think I need a paper bag.

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    Jon H says:

    @kommrade reproductive vigor: "Still, I fully expect at least three bobbleheads to engage in a wankathon over whether Obama might be too popular before the end of the week."

    CNN.com had a blurb from Gloria Borger earlier tonight asking if Obama was already over-exposed (but answering, "no").

    Still, they’re already approaching it.

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    TheHatOnMyCat says:

    @Fwiffo: At least Kenneth doesn’t look like Rocky Raccoon.

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    Update: Even Candy Crowley just said that Jindal was speaking from a parallel universe.

    Did she warn everyone there were more Democrats in that universe?

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    Fwiffo says:

    And he forces the point that politics should be about ideas — competing ideas — and that the best ones should win.

    Indeed, I agree with K-Lo. The best ideas should win. And they did. You lost, you stupid fuckers, now go away.

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    Fulcanelli says:

    @TheHatOnMyCat: For the WIN! Ding, DIng, Ding. Watch out all you kitteh lovers, Alf’s back!

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    bayville says:

    The Note out-Drudges Politico when it comes to superificial analysis of the speech. Kudos to Rick Klein for pulling off the near impossible.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/

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    Mark S. says:

    This was a good night for Sarah Palin.

    As crappy as Jindal was tonight, could you imagine if that bimbo gave the rebuttal? Obama would have 99% approval ratings.

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    gbear says:

    Here’s my favorite response to the speech so far from Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) (via TPM):

    I hope tonight’s speech marks a turning point for the new administration, that the new kind of bipartisan leadership the President promised in his campaign materializes, rather than the take-it-or-leave-it, we-won-the-election attitude of Democratic leaders in Congress, which resulted in an economic stimulus bill that was more about special-interest spending than economic stimulus. Bipartisanship takes hard work, and it starts at the beginning of the legislative process, at the discussion and drafting tables, not at the end of the process when the camera lights are on.

    That Grassley, he’s funny.

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    Cat Lady says:

    @kommrade reproductive vigor: The CNN panel all seem scarily rational. I’m disoriented.

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    TheHatOnMyCat says:

    MSNBC on Jindal: "The GOP lost your trust. So, trust us."

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    Joe Buck says:

    Sorry, Candy Crowley. There were more Dems in the polling because there are more Dems. People can change their party identification, and the number of people calling themselves Republicans is declining.

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    TheHatOnMyCat says:

    The CNN panel all seem scarily rational.

    Yes, but why are they all sitting behind big monitors? They look like they are controlling a nuclear reactor.

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    DougJ says:

    As crappy as Jindal was tonight, could you imagine if that bimbo gave the rebuttal?

    I think she would have done better. Jindal gave a very, very poor performance.

  48. 48
    Jon H says:

    @Fulcanelli:
    " Watch out all you kitteh lovers, Alf’s back!"

    I dunno, he reminds me of Scooter from the Muppet Show.

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    JenJen says:

    @sgwhiteinfla: I saw that Candy Crowley bit on the flash polls, too. Shorter Candy:

    "Ignore these polls, they’re meaningless, seriously, I mean it, they’re stupid and they’re not accurate. Only Democrats watched the speech, because the President is a Democrat. Everyone in America wants bipartisanship, and everyone, I mean EVERYONE knows that America is a center-right country. This poll is really dumb. Bush also got really high poll numbers too, as everyone knows. But, since you’re still listening to me, here’s the number… 82% who heard the speech support Obama’s economic strategy. But that doesn’t matter. I mean, how silly is that? 82%. C’mon now."

    I’ve never seen anyone in my life try as hard as she did to say 82% really is 28%, only backwards. We couldn’t stop laughing at her.

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    sgwhiteinfla says:

    Lest we forget, K Lo et al were always deriding then Senator Obama for reading from a teleprompter because OBVIOUSLY it was much easier to do THAT than actually speak from memory. Now that Jindal sounded like Lurch its all the fault of those sneaky teleprompters. Do these clowns have ANY consistency?

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    TheHatOnMyCat says:

    @DougJ:

    "Americans can do anything. Except give a speech after that big buck!"

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    TheHatOnMyCat says:

    I’ve never seen anyone in my life try as hard as she did to say 82% really is 28%, only backwards. We couldn’t stop laughing at her.

    That’s Candy. She really thinks the difference between 82 and 28 is just in the presentation.

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    Comrade Jake says:

    This is all well and good, but something tells me that Lauer will be asking Ann Coulter what she thought of Obama’s speech tomorrow morning on GMA.

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    Comrade Stuck says:

    @gbear:

    Bipartisanship takes hard work,

    He will need to stop channeling George Bush if he wants to play.

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    TheHatOnMyCat says:

    This is all well and good, but something tells me that Lauer will be asking Ann Coulter what she thought of Obama’s speech tomorrow morning on GMA in the shower.

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    flounder says:

    Did Jindal wink at you too?

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    gbear says:

    @Comrade Stuck:

    Nah, I think Grassley’s comment is totally perfect. It’s a triumph of obliviousness.

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    JenJen says:

    Uh-oh. We might all be a little premature in our exuberant response to the President’s speech… because Mr. Conventional Wisdom, Mark Halperin, also got a thrill up his leg.

    Holy shit. I think we might be screwed. :-)

  60. 60

    @Jon H: I know they’ve got a 24 hour hole to fill but if any reporting agency even thinks of asking if the first African-American president who is also handling two wars and a global economic crisis is over exposed (all together on three):

    UR DOIN IT RONG.

    Christ.

    There were more Dems in the polling because there are more Dems. People can change their party identification, and the number of people calling themselves Republicans is declining.

    I can’t find a link to the actual poll. Are we talking enough Ds v. Rs to make the poll invalid? If so, why did CNN run the results? If not, what the hell is she talking about?

    Although God knows I’d hate to imply the humanoids who pass themselves off as reporters wouldn’t understand basic stats if you beat them with a sock full of pennies. Heaven fore fend. Also.

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    valdivia says:

    @kommrade reproductive vigor:

    Kleefled at TPMDC has the numbers and parrots the same ‘too many dems’ line. Duh, there are more dems than reps by those numbers exactly. Gawd the idiocy.

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    sgwhiteinfla says:

    If not, what the hell is she talking about?

    bingo

    http://politicalticker.blogs.c.....h-viewers/

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @bayville:

    My favorite part of that post was that he got two comments into Bobby Jindal’s speech and stopped dead. No more updates after that.

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    bayville says:

    OMG! He’s back.

    Not a War President
    By William Kristol

    http://voices.washingtonpost.c.....ident.html

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    burnspbesq says:

    @bayville:

    If I call Kristol a tool, will Stanley, Craftsman, and Makita sue for slander?

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    Comrade Stuck says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    From the previous KIein thread at ABC note. Teddy Davis delivers best remark on jindal.

    Jindal shows off his cookies.

    Hee!

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    YellowJournalism says:

    " Watch out all you kitteh lovers, Alf’s back!"

    I dunno…I’m pretty sure Gordon Schumway would have voted Democrat.

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    TheFountainHead says:

    @bayville: My God he’s fucking dumb.

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    bayville says:

    burnspbesq

    You are short changing Kristol. He is a world class tool.

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    Comrade Jake says:

    Kristol seems determined to challenge Tom Cruise for the "biggest douchebag walking the Earth" crown.

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    bayville says:

    My favorite part of that post was that he got two comments into Bobby Jindal’s speech and stopped dead. No more updates after that.

    It was like Klein was at a bachelor party with a big cake on the stage and then 15 minutes went by before he finally realized the cake was real and nothing nude was jumping out.

    After 15 minutes, Klein just gave up on Jindal and turned over the Bobbyblog to K-Lo and the rest of the fraternity over at the Corner.

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    gnomedad says:

    @bayville:

    You are short changing Kristol. He is a world class power tool.

    Alternative meme.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Speeches are not compared in the absolute but in a given context, and in the context of recent SOTU addresses, this was a homerun. Granted, it would have been hard for it not to be given that 3 of the last 8 involved Bush promoting the ownership society that we’re now unliving at our great expense, yellowcake uranium that was knowingly a lie, and human/animal hybrids which was just fucking creepy.

    Ownership Society. Freedom on the March. Mission Accomplished. With Us or Against Us. Coalition of the Willing. How the fuck can we flush all that down the toilet?

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    JenJen says:

    Yes, yes, I know it’s not the Oscars, but FLOTUS was stunning. By the way, seriously, Nancy Pelosi. What the hell were you wearing? A Snuggie?

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    Fulcanelli says:

    @Mike in NC: An epidemic of lead poisoning. Heh.

    Or maybe the "Witness Protection Program".

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    Comrade Jake says:

    Michelle Bernard is on Hardball making stuff up out of whole cloth.

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    DougJ says:

    I’m watching Tweety and he appears to be wearing a tweed sportsjacket. Is that legal on national tv?

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    sgwhiteinfla says:

    Klein eats his words

    9:45 pm ET: Newsy nugget: "I’m bringing together businesses and workers, doctors and health care providers, Democrats and Republicans to begin work on this issue next week."
    Next week it is…
    9:42 pm ET: "Health care reform" — a great phrase that can get lots of applause. As for legislation…

    sidenote cat fight about to break out on Hardball. And yes I know its poor form to call it a cat fight but it is what it is

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    Ninerdave says:

    Obama vs. the GOP.

    A metaphor via failblog:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYckGMNknQw

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Someone has already YouTubed Rachel Maddow’s response:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02.....038;st=cse

    Watch Chris Matthews in the lower right hand corner — he has his head buried in his hands after Jindal’s speech. He looks like someone just shot his dog.

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    Ed Marshall says:

    It’s not the state of the union address, but this has me thinking. Who gave the response in 2002? It can’t be memorable, and google isn’t helping. I know the democrats said something, and I’m trying to imagine something more terrible than Jindal.

  82. 82

    When Bush was president, I could just sit on my ass, because a) what was the use, and b) just by being less than a total dick, I was achieving at a higher level. Suddenly, that’s not enough. Probably never was, either.

    Okay, hell, set the alarm.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    D’oh! Didn’t realize until after the edit window had closed that I had the wrong link. Sorry!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxHoWEdcbcM

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    Delia says:

    Key line from the Kristol masterpiece:

    This was not the speech of a man who even contemplates the possibility of using force within the next year to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

    You see, his little heart is broken that he didn’t get his third precious war during the Cheney Administration. Nothing else even matters to him.

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    Ed Marshall says:

    N/M it was Dick Gephardt and it sucked in a whole different category than Jindal.

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    JenJen says:

    @Comrade Jake: Didn’t she just try to formulate an argument by saying Jindal and Obama are so different because Jindal is the son of immigrants?

    Ummmm…

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    burnspbesq says:

    It’s 1853 all over again. In this re-enactment, the part of the Whig Party will be played by the Republican Party.

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    Cain says:

    @Jon H:

    I dunno, he reminds me of Scooter Beaker from the Muppet Show.

    Fixed.

    cain

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    DougL says:

    Speaking of the Jindal response, did he really say, "maglev train from Las Vegas to Disneyworld"?!

    I’ll have some of whatever he’s smoking, please.

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    Blue Raven says:

    It’s a damn good thing Slumdog Millionaire is out there, or Jindal could singlehandedly damage the image of India and its people in this country. The titular character clearly knows more than Jindal does, and he’s a fictional creation!

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Delia:

    Key line from the Kristol masterpiece:

    This was not the speech of a man who even contemplates the possibility of using force within the next year to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

    You see, his little heart is broken that he didn’t get his third precious war during the Cheney Administration. Nothing else even matters to him.

    So, Kristol’s one-trick pony pulled up lame – again. Can we take him out back and shoot him (Kristol, not the pony)?

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    slightly_peeved says:

    I’m also fairly used to him treating me like an adult. It’s good to remember every now and then that it can be a pleasant surprise to people.

    Notice how Obama validates each concern before addressing it – "You’re angry about x. So am I." Or "You’re concerned about x. You should be." Say you’re a disgruntled McCain voter who, given the last 8 years and the Republican memes of the campaign, is expecting Obama to come out and give you the finger. It must be a pretty fucking awesome surprise, as a Republican, to have the President come out and say he respects your opinion.

    When I went on my first date with my now-wife, I booked a nice meal at a restaurant in town. She was really blown away – apparently I was the first boyfriend ever to not only go to the trouble of booking a table, but actually take her somewhere that tables could be booked. I reckon the Republican voter, after years of going through the drive-thru window with the Republicans, just went on their first date with Obama, and he booked out the fucking restaurant.

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    ronathan richardson says:

    Did Bobby say anything that wasn’t just a paraphrase (or verbatim repetition) of one of McCain’s canned responses from last September? I mean I want to like the guy, given that we need more young immigrant Rhodes Scholars running the country, but seriously, if you don’t have any new ideas, what’s the point.

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    robertdsc says:

    If I call Kristol a tool, will Stanley, Craftsman, and Makita sue for slander?

    Perfect.

    I just finished David Gergen’s book on his times advising four Presidents (Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Clinton) and he offered insights into Presidential leadership. I couldn’t help but smile at reading some of his insights and checking them off the list of things Obama’s done so far.

    As for the speech, I think he took a wrecking ball to the GOP last night. As Joe Biden would say: God Bless him.

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    I watched the speech on MSNBC, and they had the approval graph thingy at the bottom of the screen. At first, I assumed it was broken, because the Republican line was pegged at the top, but after watching it wobble a bit, I realize that the focus group’s response was actually that good.

    I choked up when they zoomed in on Orrin Hatch. Why isn’t he looking up when the President mentioned him? Oh. "Hatch-Kennedy." When he looked up, he had one of the saddest expressions I’ve ever seen. His friend is dying.

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