Open Thread

Not enough flaming around here.

* The best PC you can buy is a Mac running Boot Camp.
* Every good comic of the last fifteen years should apologize to Alan Moore for stealing his shit.
* Religion only happens because the human brain’s capacity for pattern recognition is slightly overdeveloped.
* On that topic, if Jesus and Santa Claus got in a fight, Jews would win.

Discuss.

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246 replies
  1. 1
    Pb says:

    1. Linux
    2. Tom Tomorrow
    3. People are morons
    4. See above

  2. 2
    Comrade Dread says:

    Religion only happens because the human brain’s capacity for pattern recognition is slightly overdeveloped.

    Well, if that really is the case and I’m wrong and suffering from an evolutionary delusion and we all end up as wormfood or undead zombie abominations, I owe you a coke.

  3. 3
    renegademom says:

    why would you even need windows?

  4. 4
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    Something about The Cowboys and Caroline Kennedy should get things moving. If you could tie the two together, this place would burst into flames.

  5. 5
    John Cole says:

    Since we clearly are now trolling our own website, I will just link to this and ask if Cindy Sheehan was the skipper.

  6. 6
    The Other Steve says:

    why would you even need windows?

    So you can look outside to see if it’s snowing?

  7. 7
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    ask if Cindy Sheehan was the skipper.

    I have always looked at her as more of a Gilligan.

  8. 8
    oh really says:

    One candidate for dumbest sentence to appear in the NY Times in 2008 (or any other year):

    The father is Levi Johnston, a former hockey player at Alaska’s Wasilla High School.

  9. 9
    The Other Steve says:

    So whose all going to the Conservative 2.0 conference?

  10. 10
    Comrade Jake says:

    Read Yglesias on the "Magic Negro" broohaha:

    One of the distinguishing characteristics of modern American conservatism is that it believes in a curious concept of “color blindness.” In this view, racism is bad. But absent truly egregious behavior, it’s not something you’d really get all that upset about nor is it something you should be really attuned do. But so-called “political correctness” — meaning something like anti-racism that’s gone too far — is a really serious problem. Any hint of political correctness is worth getting upset about. And the views of actual members of racial minorities as to what is and isn’t racist should be completely discounted. Rather than saying that the prudent and decent white person will steer a mile clear of racist activity — sending out “Barack the Magic Negro” CDs, for example — the best course of action is to deliberately drive straight at the line and then get really upset at anyone who says you’ve crossed it.

  11. 11
    Antonius says:

    Who wins in a Santa Claus vs. Mac, Jesus vs. PC, or Alan Moore vs. Pattern Recognition matchup?

  12. 12
    Comrade Stuck says:

    @John Cole:

    She was just out for a 3 hour tour.

    And I’m flamed to a crispy critter. Until the new year

  13. 13
    Lit3Bolt says:

    Actually my brother has had a Mac and he’s getting a new hard drive for a 3rd time. He hasn’t chortled to me about Mac vs PC shit for a while now.

    Altho I admit, the only reason I have a PC is to play Fallout 3. =P

  14. 14
    MattF says:

    Mac vs. PC vs. Jesus vs. Santa Claus vs. the Jews vs. Lenny Bruce vs. Christopher Hitchens vs. zombie Ronald Reagan (gotta get the politics in there).

  15. 15
    R-Jud says:

    @Billy K (D-TX):

    Don’t forget Rick Warren.

    Alan Moore: I am married to a fanboy. I have read a lot of Moore’s stuff. His beard is awesome, his concepts often intriguing, but anything he’s written outside of a comic book (ooh–sorry– graphic novel) is pretentious drivel that’s been overwritten to the nth degree.

    God, it felt good to say that.

  16. 16
    4tehlulz says:

    @MattF: The winner would be Jack Daniels.

  17. 17
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    Wow. TOS passed on a free shot at Macs? What happened to this blog?

  18. 18
    4tehlulz says:

    @John Cole: Yes, also, more of this please.

  19. 19
    p.a. says:

    So whose all going to the Conservative 2.0 conference?

    2.0. Is that the median i.q. of attendees, or the lower limit allowed to attend? Will Malkin be allowed an exemption?

  20. 20
    renegademom says:

    I’m on my third hard drive in my mac book as well. But the rest of the computer ROCKS. I use my computer constantly, and for music (I’m a dj, and play straight from my laptop to powered speakers). I now have a 320 gig hard drive in there, that only cost me $150, plus another $75 for labor with my local mac guru.

    I NEVER get viruses, the thing never slows down, and I stand by my macbook. hard drives always die……it’s the rest of the computer that keeps on ticking!

  21. 21
    JL says:

    @4tehlulz: Oh great, then we’d have a bunch of drunks arguing.

  22. 22

    @R-Jud:

    Alan Moore: I am married to a fanboy. I have read a lot of Moore’s stuff. His beard is awesome, his concepts often intriguing, but anything he’s written outside of a comic book (ooh—sorry—graphic novel) is pretentious drivel that’s been overwritten to the nth degree.

    Preach it, comrade!

    He’s the classic example of the autodidact gone wrong, trying to compensate for not having a degree by Using Big Words. Oooooo. He reminds me forcibly of all those engineers who know just enough biology to get themselves into trouble and then start championing creationism.

  23. 23
    burnspbesq says:

    Who’s more evil: Bill Gates, Dick Cheney, or Scott Boras? Discuss.

  24. 24
    4tehlulz says:

    @JL: Not necessarily, because wherever Hitchens is, the winner always is Jack Daniels.

  25. 25
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    @renegademom:

    I’m a dj, and play straight from my laptop to powered speakers

    There’s your problem. You should invest in a portable USB drive to play from – or even better, an SSD. You’re gonna keep having this problem.

    The only hard drive failure I’ve ever experienced in my many, many Macs is the one I punished with 2 long years of heavy Garageband use. That constant read/write will destroy a drive.

  26. 26
    bernarda says:

    Who is Alan Moore and what is "bootcamp"?

    MattF, better would be "Hitchens vs Mother Teresa".

  27. 27
    Josh Hueco says:

    @Billy K (D-TX):

    Something about The Cowboys and Caroline Kennedy should get things moving.

    How about "The Dallas Cowboys will never win another Super Bowl as long as Jerry Jones is the owner?" I get some of the most dyspeptic looks from people down here whenever I say that.

  28. 28
    burnspbesq says:

    @renegademom:

    I’ve never had a hard drive die, but I’ve had bad luck with optical drives.

  29. 29
    Comrade Dread says:

    zombie Ronald Reagan

    Zombie Nixon would so kick Zombie Reagan’s butt.

    In fact, I’ll go out on a limb and say that Zombie Nixon wins the war of zombie presidents.

    Zombie Teddy Roosevelt might be a problem, but I think zombie Nixon would fight dirty and Zombie Teddy wouldn’t.

  30. 30
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    @Josh Hueco:

    The Dallas Cowboys will never win another Super Bowl as long as Jerry Jones is the owner?

    That is quickly becoming CW instead of flamebait.

  31. 31
    burnspbesq says:

    @Josh Hueco:

    Has Caroline denied being The Other Woman who trashed Tony Romo’s relationship with Jessica Simpson?

    No? Well, there you go, then.

  32. 32
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    @Comrade Dread:
    Two words: Zombie Ike.

  33. 33
    4tehlulz says:

    What the fuck does Apple put in those Macs? Refurbished Maxtors?

  34. 34
    Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon) says:

    John Mayer is the best guitar player walking around right now.

    Bring it on…..

  35. 35
    Jay C says:

    Santa Claus is Jewish?

    Who knew???!!!

  36. 36
    burnspbesq says:

    @Comrade Dread:

    Zombie Millard Fillmore would destroy them all before breakfast.

  37. 37
    burnspbesq says:

    @Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon):

    Not while Hubert Sumlin and Tony Rice are still alive.

    Mayer is a fine regurgitator of styles developed by others. Still waiting to see some originality.

  38. 38
    Josh Hueco says:

    @Billy K (D-TX):

    Truedat.

    OT, but just got this in an e-mail, and thought it was worthy of sharing with everyone on the good ship Balloon Juice:

    ===
    After serious & cautious consideration . . .Your contract of friendship has been renewed for the New Year 2009! It was Not a very hard decision to make.

    My Wish for You in 2009

    May peace break into your house and may thieves come to steal your debts. May the pockets of your jeans become a magnet of $100 bills. May love stick to your face like Vaseline and may laughter assault your lips! May your clothes smell of success like smoking tires and may happiness slap you across the face and may your tears be that of joy. May the problems you had forget your home address! In simple words . . . May 2009 be the best year of your life!!!
    ===

    And may my Iowa Hawkeyes beat some serious (Game)cock in the Outback Bowl.

  39. 39
    4tehlulz says:

    @burnspbesq: Zombie James Buchanan would try to pick them up, but fail miserably.

  40. 40
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    @4tehlulz:
    LOL. The one that died on me was a Seagate, I think.
    They’re all Hitachis now AFAIK.

  41. 41
    SGEW says:

    . . . the only reason I have a PC is to play Fallout 3

    To be honest, I think I very well might buy myself a PC in the next month, simply to play Fallout 3. Seriously. I’ve tried F3 out on my friend’s PC, and it is . . . awesome. Must. Play.

    [Disclosure: Mac user for 10 years – Wasteland, Fallout 1 & Fallout 2 player. Terribly torn.]

  42. 42
    R-Jud says:

    @Phoenix Woman:

    And the endless references to other, better works of literature or obscure historical personages don’t help either. I know most writers riff on their influences, and most will undertake exhaustive research and then incorporate it, but I have never encountered anyone so popular who does both with such spectacular ham-handedness. It’s almost as bad as the late David Foster Wallace and his footnotes.

    Actually, no, it’s worse: DFW actually made me laugh once in a while.

    @ Comrade Dread:

    No way. Zombie Andrew Jackson would be the baddest-ass zombie president of all. And you know he’d be extra pissed when he found out his face was on the $20. He HATED fiat currency with a passion.

  43. 43
    MattF says:

    Gotta admit, Zombie Nixon sends a chill up my spine. Brr.

  44. 44
    gbear says:

    Here’s my vote for ‘guy not ending the year on a good note’ (as if living in Crookston wasn’t bad enough on it’s own).

  45. 45
    Gus says:

    How about "Gen Xers and Millenials are soulless conformists" vs. "Baby Boomers are self-absorbed and created all the current messes we’re in." That’s the only flame material that rivals Mac vs. PC vs. Linux.

  46. 46
    Comrade Dread says:

    @R-Jud

    I did consider Zombie Andy Jackson and he would be in my top three contenders and in a straight fight, I think he’d win.

    But I think Zombie Nixon would definitely fight dirty and I think that gives him an edge to seize the King of the Zombie Presidents title.

    Plus, he’d have Headless Agnew Spiro in his corner and that gives him bonus points.

    @Gus

    You could go back to old school 90’s internet fights and reopen the great USS Enterprise vs. Star Destroyer flame war.

  47. 47
    renegademom says:

    @Billy K (D-TX):

    explain further, please….I’m interested. I’m not sure what you mean by a usb drive. i have an external hard drive for back up, but no screen so i can’t view my mixer.

  48. 48
    The Moar You Know says:

    @John Cole: Once again proving the Israelis are no friends of America; if they were, they would have sent that boat to the bottom.

  49. 49
    smiley says:

    Blago is going to make the appointment anyway: Roland Burris. Former Illinois atty general, older African American.

  50. 50
    demkat620 says:

    Am I the only one at work today?

  51. 51
    Punchy says:

    Someone needs to start a post on the basis of this article. Nothing–NOTHING–brings together teh funnah, the unintentionally sad, the ridiculous, and the "holy crizzap" quite like it.

    Here’s my favorite quote (so far):

    “That changed everything,” said Mr. Goerke, who is now nearly two years into the divorce process, with legal and other fees of several hundred thousand dollars. “The prospect of us both being able to buy modest homes was eliminated. The money’s not there.”

    1) A divorce takes 2 freakin years?
    2) Someone with a (at one time) $2.3 million dollah haus cant find a $200K flat somewheres?
    3) HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IN LAWYER FEES? WTF?

    And it just gets better from there….

  52. 52
    TheFountainHead says:

    Dangerous to be stirring up a Mac vs. PC flame war this close to the final Macworld of all time. Lots of derranged Apple fanboys on the net these days.

  53. 53
    Xanthippas says:

    Since we clearly are now trolling our own website, I will just link to this and ask if Cindy Sheehan was the skipper.

    I’m surprised they weren’t rammed first by the NRO love boat.

  54. 54
    Shawn in ShowMe says:

    I agree that there has been a lot of ripping off of Alan Moore in the superhero universe the last 15 years. And ripping off of Frank Miller. That’s what you get when the industry is dominated by highly impressionable fanboys whose main influences are other superhero comics.

    There’s always quality stuff outside the Marvel/DC assembly line like Eric Powell’s The Goon or Jeff Lemire’s Essex County if you want to get away from that.

  55. 55
    JoePo says:

    I only pick up trade paperbacks every so often, but ever since I started reading them again, my favorite by far is Watchmen. My second favorite is Joss Whedon’s Astonishing X-Men. Cyclops had never before been portrayed in such an interesting light. Least favorite: Marshall Law. It’s a childish, overly broad attempt at satire written by someone who clearly never liked the golden age superheroes he’s lampooning in the first place. Why is that a problem? Because it makes for a cheap, superficial deconstruction – and it shows an unearned sense of superiority to the source material. Reading a couple anthologies back to back with Watchmen made its flaws all too clear.

    I haven’t read much DFW or anything of Moore’s besides Watchmen, but part of me really wishes I could defend them. It’s a strange impulse. I would even tie in my raging hatred of Frank Miller.

  56. 56
    rawshark says:

    @R-Jud:

    Alan Moore: I am married to a fanboy. I have read a lot of Moore’s stuff. His beard is awesome, his concepts often intriguing, but anything he’s written outside of a comic book (ooh—sorry—graphic novel) is pretentious drivel that’s been overwritten to the nth degree.

    What has he written outside of a comic?

    You gotta keep it in perspective. those of us who grew up on comics see how he’s better than most comic writers but I’ve never heard anyone call him a great writer overall.

  57. 57
    Montysano says:

    @demkat620:

    Am I the only one at work today?

    Sadly, no.

  58. 58
    bago says:

    Hey, what about the space tourist that invented hungarian notation?

  59. 59
    b-psycho says:

    If an identically spec’d Mac didn’t tend to cost more than an equivalent non-Mac machine, then Macs would be a reasonable option. But Apple would rather sell an image than sell computers.

  60. 60
    Xanthippas says:

    @Punchy:

    This is my favorite quote:

    Dee Dee Tomasko, a nursing student and mother in suburban Cleveland, expected to leave her marriage with about $200,000 in starter money, primarily from the marital home, which was appraised at about $1 million in 2006. By the time of her divorce last year, however, the house was appraised at $800,000; her share of the equity came to about $105,000. Though she is relieved to be out of the marriage, if she had known how little money she would get “I might have stuck with it a little more; I don’t know,” Ms. Tomasko said, adding, “Maybe it would’ve made me think a little harder.”

    I realize that financial hardship can make people hesitate to get a divorce they probably should get, but either you should be in your marriage or you shouldn’t; you don’t "think" about making it work when you realize that divorce isn’t going to be your own little jackpot.

  61. 61
    demimondian says:

    @demkat620: No — but I’m working from home, so it doesn’t quite work.

  62. 62
    Gus says:

    Am I the only one at work today?

    Nah, I’m at work, too, but I’m the only one in my office. Haven’t had an email or phone call for over two hours.

  63. 63

    ‘Dogma’ is a word to describe a belief system whose premise is not to be questioned.

    I believe that America has adopted a state religion of Culturalism based on a false dogma. George Bush’s mind is deeply contaminated by Culturalism.

    Thomas Jefferson was a much better President than George Bush. Jefferson said things like this:

    "Shake off all the fears and servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."

  64. 64
    cleek says:

    @Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon):

    Mayer is good. no doubt. but John Pizzarelli and Tuck Andress could show him a thing or two.

  65. 65
    demkat620 says:

    Well, at least I am not the only one. I am counting the minutes today.

    Nobody should have to work this week. That should be the law.

  66. 66
    demimondian says:

    Oh, come on. An identically specced Mac only costs about four times as much as an identically specced PC, particularly in the laptop world. And runs half as fast.

    That’s why the best PC is a Mac running an emulator — it at least makes your pretty box with the machined aluminum case useful for something besides holding papers down.

  67. 67
    Punchy says:

    @John Cole: She was high on willy pete and Schiavo’s undelivered Gatorade. Also.

  68. 68
    TheFountainHead says:

    Oh, come on. An identically specced Mac only costs about four times as much as an identically specced PC, particularly in the laptop world. And runs half as fast.

    Because this is a flame thread:

    Prove it or shove it.

  69. 69
    Xanthippas says:

    By the way, why the hell is it nobody wants to play Christmas music the day after Christmas? We spend a month and a half listening to the stuff, but come 12:00am on Dec. 26th and suddenly all Christmas music must cease immediately? We all know that half the country is still off from working and with family or otherwise goofing off; why not let the unofficial observing of the holiday drag on a little longer?

  70. 70
    cleek says:

    We spend a month and a half listening to avoiding the stuff

    fixt

  71. 71
    Comrade Dread says:

    By the way, why the hell is it nobody wants to play Christmas music the day after Christmas? We spend a month and a half listening to the stuff, but come 12:00am on Dec. 26th and suddenly all Christmas music must cease immediately? We all know that half the country is still off from working and with family or otherwise goofing off; why not let the unofficial observing of the holiday drag on a little longer?

    Because I started seeing decorations in September, started hearing music the day after Thanksgiving and heard it on some stations for 24/7, preempting their normal format.

    If you stretch the season out any longer we’ll start having to celebrate Hallochrismagiving by dressing up as vampire turkey Magi and giving candy and iPods to each other.

  72. 72
    AhabTRuler says:

    Cleek, I need you to write a pie filter for Xmas music by next year.

    I especially want to hear ‘the Bells’ as ‘the Pies.’

  73. 73
    demimondian says:

    @TheFountainHead: Because this is a flame thread…

    How the fuck do you get off asking me to do your work for you? Teh Googley is ur friend, you know: first entry in searching for a Dell 2.4 GHz core duo laptop is http://www.techbargains.com/ne.....cfm/147638, which is roughly four times cheaper than the comparable aluminum-wrapped POS that is sitting here in my lap.

  74. 74
    The Moar You Know says:

    John Mayer is the best guitar player walking around right now.

    @Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon): At long last we know the ugly truth; Montysano is a 16 year old girl.

  75. 75
    cleek says:

    Religion only happens because the human brain’s capacity for pattern recognition is slightly overdeveloped.

    i think that gets you to superstition: belief in imaginary causes and effects.

    religion requires a bit more; you need to take that superstition and turn it into a way to unite and influence your people. that’s where our tendencies towards authority-worship, power-seeking and tribalism come in handy.

  76. 76
    ninerdave says:

    People who use PCs are sadists.

    What idiot decided it made sense to go to the Start menu to Stop your computer. Talk about idiotic user experience.

  77. 77
    John PM says:

    @Xanthippas: #69

    Because all of the stores have to get out all of their Valentine’s Day merchandise.

    If it were not for the two days off, I believe that Thanksgiving would no longer be a holiday, given how long the Christmas season has become.

  78. 78

    In exchange for an education, I performed military service. During this service, our unit had access to a kitchen and was assigned cooks. All enlisted men had to cook when they first arrived, but there were also specialist cooks. People focus on food when they are bored and a good specialized cook gets a lot of respect.

    We also had a saying: ‘When you need a cook real bad, you get a real bad cook’. And, before a certain deployment, we needed a cook real bad. We got a specimen who we will call ‘Mac’. Mac was nice, but was not smart. The enlisted men caught him popping zits on his back while he was serving cheeseburgers, and Mac was assigned to the officers for his own safety.

    A Culturalist would have you believe that Mac, if exposed to the correct types of culture, could do well at math. But trust me, our Mac would never be able to make it through calculus. He would not be able to pass survival algebra. But the dogma is that Mac could pass calculus, and we need to spend more public funds on education, to make people like Mac good at derivatives. This is expensive and dangerous.

    Culturalism is a religion as it is a dogma not based upon facts or evidence.

  79. 79
    burnspbesq says:

    @demimondian:

    And yet, the aluminum-wrapped POS is sitting in your lap. What does that tell you?

  80. 80
    Josh Hueco says:

    @ninerdave:

    I think you mean masochist.

    Meanwhile, for flamebait, how about Captain Kirk v. Captain Picard?

  81. 81
    Krista says:

    Shame on you, demi, asking someone else to do the work proving your own assertion.

    You made the statement, the onus is on you to back it up when challenged, my darling.

    Urgh. That’s all the energy I have for flaming right now. Anybody know any good remedies for all-day-long morning sickness? (Besides having a constant supply of Red-Hots at hand?)

  82. 82
    The Other Steve says:

    What idiot decided it made sense to go to the Start menu to Stop your computer. Talk about idiotic user experience.

    Those of us with Vista are used to just leaving ’em on and letting them go into sleep or hibernate mode on their own.

    Unlike Mac’s we don’t have to reboot periodically to solve system issues.

  83. 83
    RSA says:

    religion requires a bit more; you need to take that superstition and turn it into a way to unite and influence your people. that’s where our tendencies towards authority-worship, power-seeking and tribalism come in handy.

    In setting up a religion, the first rule to go with is "Do not question the other rules." If you can sell that first one, the rest is smooth sailing.

  84. 84
    Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon) says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    John Mayer is the best guitar player walking around right now.

    @Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon): At long last we know the ugly truth; Montysano is a 16 year old girl.

    Hell, I wish I was 16 years old, or 32, or even 48. Sadly……not. Just another pudgy, pasty middle-aged dude.

    I never thought I’d listen to Mayer, but check out any of his Trio recordings before you judge.

  85. 85
    The Moar You Know says:

    By the way, why the hell is it nobody wants to play Christmas music the day after Christmas? We spend a month and a half listening to the stuff, but come 12:00am on Dec. 26th and suddenly all Christmas music must cease immediately?

    @Xanthippas: A few years back I was working for The Great Coffee Chain Which Must Not Be Named For Fear Of Litigation. At The Great Coffee Chain Which Must Not Be Named For Fear Of Litigation, we, the employees, had to listen to fucking Christmas music for the entire shift, every day that we were in there. Since I was full time, that was 40+ hours a week of listening to The Great Coffee Chain Which Must Not Be Named For Fear Of Litigation’s Christmas CD, which was the ONLY music that could be played for the month and a half in question.

    The reason you didn’t hear The Great Coffee Chain Which Must Not Be Named For Fear Of Litigation’s Christmas CD on December 26th was because I took the day off and took The Great Coffee Chain Which Must Not Be Named For Fear Of Litigation’s Christmas CD to the gun range and put about fifty rounds of 9mm through it and the accompanying case, which held all the debris in until I hit it with a 12-gauge slug, which made a beautiful spray of CD dust spew from the case. It was like a pretty rainbow telling me that everything was going to be OK and that I would never be forced to listen to that hideous music again.

    I suspect I’m not alone, and that’s why you don’t hear your fucking Christmas music on the 26th.

  86. 86
    Jeff says:

    My four year old son says it’s hard not to tell his Christian friends that Santa Claus is not real. I’m finding it difficult to have him lie for someone else’s child. The only thing that keeps us from telling him it’s ok to tell is I want him to have friends in January.

  87. 87
    cleek says:

    Anybody know any good remedies for all-day-long morning sickness?

    hair of the dog often works for many types of ‘morning’ sickness. though i’m not sure which dog is appropriate in your case.

  88. 88
    John PM says:

    @Punchy: #51

    1) A divorce takes 2 freakin years?
    2) Someone with a (at one time) $2.3 million dollah haus cant find a $200K flat somewheres?
    3) HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IN LAWYER FEES? WTF?

    Just ask my parents. They separated in November 1994 and finalized their divorce in 1998. They had been married for 21 years when they separated and to say that there were some issues would be an understatement. One of the hold ups was that my mom wanted possession of a tan leather couch that my dad had purchased several years prior to the divorce without telling my mom. There were also major disputes over the house and my dad’s pension, which were the only two sizable assets. My parents tried using one lawyer at first to simplify the divorce, but as the animosity quickly increased that plan went out the window. As my dad said, the lawyers made out the best from the divorce.

    On a similar note, I once represented a high-end divorce firm in a legal malpractice proceeding. The wife fired my client after several years of representation, hired another firm and eventually settled the divorce for approximately $3 million. Not happy with this result, however, she then sued my client for legal malpractice claiming that she should have received millions more dollars because my client failed to properly value the ex-husband’s legal practice. We prevailed at trial (the ex-wife asked for $6 million and the jury gave her $0) and were affirmed on appeal. IIRC, the divorce took four years to finalize and the legal malpractice action took seven years, including the appeal.

    Edit – I almost forgot this gem. In the legal malpractice action, the ex-wife’s attorney had her show pictures of her and her children as support for her claim. However, the pictures were primarily of her and her children on luxury vacations (Vail, Mexico, etc.) and engaging in pricy activities. Not surprisingly, the mostly blue collar jury did not seem to find these photos convincing when the rich lady asked for even more money.

  89. 89
    Original Lee says:

    Go vote on biggest wingnut at Crooks and Liars. Sarah Palin is currently in first place with Sean Hannity running a close second.

  90. 90
    comrade scott's agenda of rage says:

    Someone needs to start a post on the basis of this article.

    Marci Needle is a hottie.

    Also probably very high maintenance.

  91. 91
    theturtlemoves says:

    @burnspbesq: That he’s playing both sides of the flame war for fun and profit? I personally think Macs are great for effeminate artsy men and butch artsy women.

  92. 92
    Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon) says:

    @Gus:

    Nah, I’m at work, too, but I’m the only one in my office. Haven’t had an email or phone call for over two hours.

    Same here. Our business is off by about 40%.

    We’re all Tom Joad now.

  93. 93
    The Other Steve says:

    BTW, my iPod went off into lala land. I setup a playlist through iTunes, and now it’s stuck and doesn’t know how to play it. I tried rebooting, which is something you always tend to have to do with Apple’s shitty software products but that did not help.

    BTW, is there any way to interface with the iPod without using iTunes? iTunes has got to be the biggest piece of crap ever written by a programmer. It’s clearly written in like PHP and ported over as a desktop app. It’s really that bad.

  94. 94
    Comrade Dread says:

    In setting up a religion, the first rule to go with is "Do not question the other rules." If you can sell that first one, the rest is smooth sailing.

    The Catholic heirarchy who had to put up with Martin Luther might disagree with your conclusion.

  95. 95
    demimondian says:

    @Krista: FDDD suggests long naps. It doesn’t take care of the morning sickness, but it makes it bother you less. (Yes, drinking heavily might work, too, but there are other problems with that.)

    She also recommends getting warmed up with Rosali Sorrels’ hostile baby rocking songs.

  96. 96
    demimondian says:

    @burnspbesq: That my employer buys my computer?

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    The Other Steve says:

    1) A divorce takes 2 freakin years?
    2) Someone with a (at one time) $2.3 million dollah haus cant find a $200K flat somewheres?
    3) HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IN LAWYER FEES? WTF?

    Let me explain to you real life.

    Divorces involve attorneys. Attorneys are leaches and their only goal in life is to suck money out of clients.

    Therefore the more money someone has, the more money it costs to get divorced, and since attorneys get paid by the hour that means it’s going to take a long time.

    If Bill Gates ever divorced Melinda Gates, the divorce proceedings would last until approximately the year 2145 and would be finalized by their great grand children. That’s approximately how long it would take for lawyers to get their share of the Gates estate, and that’s not taking into consideration that the estate may grow in value through investments.

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    Original Lee says:

    Krista: 1. Drink more fluids, at whatever temperature makes you the least queasy. Sip, don’t gulp. Warm Gatorade worked for me, but my sister prefers ice water, so some experimentation is required. 2. Saltine crackers, about 2 every hour or so.

    There are several causes to morning sickness, but the above should help with the most common ones. Sometimes odors are also a trigger, so you might have to switch shampoo/deodorant/soap/laundry detergent if you have morning sickness 24/7.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Captain Kirk v. Captain Picard?

    Picard. Patrick Stewart still looks great and is running around banging hot chicks way younger than himself, not to mention still has his dignity post-Star Trek, whereas Shatner is a bloated sack of crap whose taste in women is extremely dubious at best, and whose career died hard after Star Trek.

    No contest.

  100. 100
    The Other Steve says:

    Urgh. That’s all the energy I have for flaming right now. Anybody know any good remedies for all-day-long morning sickness? (Besides having a constant supply of Red-Hots at hand?)

    Send me $100/day.

    In one month I’ll have your morning sickness cured.

  101. 101
    Punchy says:

    Has Caroline denied being The Other Woman who trashed Tony Romo’s relationship with Jessica Simpson?

    Is The Other Woman related to The Other Steve?

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    demimondian says:

    @Original Lee: All good suggestions. Another good suggestion is to remember that morning sickness *rarely* lasts more than about twelve weeks — the second trimester is typically a pleasant time. It gets better.

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to intervene between two bickering children.

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    Josh Hueco says:

    @comrade scott’s agenda of rage:

    Marci Needle is a hottie.

    (looks at photo, rubs eyes, looks again) Are we looking at the same photo?

  104. 104
    ninerdave says:

    On that topic, if Jesus and Santa Claus got in a fight,

    Which was the subject of the South Park Pilot.

    Use headphones if you’re at work.

  105. 105
    Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon) says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    At The Great Coffee Chain Which Must Not Be Named For Fear Of Litigation, we, the employees, had to listen to fucking Christmas music for the entire shift, every day that we were in there. Since I was full time, that was 40+ hours a week of listening to The Great Coffee Chain Which Must Not Be Named For Fear Of Litigation’s Christmas CD, which was the ONLY music that could be played for the month and a half in question.

    Jeebus, no wonder TMYK is cranky.

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    The Other Steve says:

    All good suggestions. Another good suggestion is to remember that morning sickness rarely lasts more than about twelve weeks—the second trimester is typically a pleasant time. It gets better.

    Damnit! Don’t tell her that! I almost got her to send me money to help cure her.

  107. 107
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Not enough flaming around here.

    Blame me. I’ve had a busy work schedule, no time to keep up with commenting. And that’s prolly a good thing, because there’s nothing worse than watching good liberals and Democrats act like neocons and Republicans because they can’t let go of their sense of entitlement in regards to a Jewish homeland.

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    comrade scott's agenda of rage says:

    If Bill divorced Melinda, it wouldn’t take that long. Most uber wealthy couples have a fairly easy time settling. Plenty of examples: Steven Spielberg/Amy Irving or Madonna/Guy Ritchie come to mind. Most people with that kind of wealth know full well the lawyers are sucking them dry so it’s in both side’s interest to settle and settle quickly.

    There are exceptions: Sir Paul’s divorce from that UTTER NUTTER he married.

    Sure, lawyers enable the behavior that leads to lengthy divorces but typically, it’s a Mutually Assured Destruction operation in which both sides are willing participants.

    Friend of mine got divorced around 5 years ago. He worked (had a day job), she had quit to pursue "her acting". Things got messy when she hired a lawyer who read the actual statutes. My bud was claiming to be "fair" but in reality, all he was trying to do was stem the financial bleeding.

    Five years later, he’s been dumped by one girlfriend and is currently unemployed. She has a long-term, live-in boyfriend and terminal colon cancer.

  109. 109
    Cassidy the Racist White Man says:

    @ SGEW
    Xbox 360….cheaper than PC and loads of fun. Craigslist is your friend.

    John Mayer live is completely different than John Mayer studio. The boy can wail. BUT, any serious conversation on guitar playing that doesn’t mention Tom Morrelo is not a serious conversation.

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    comrade scott's agenda of rage says:

    (looks at photo, rubs eyes, looks again) Are we looking at the same photo?

    Yes. Nice top.

    Better photo: http://www.premierexecutiveoffices.com/OurTeam.htm

  111. 111
    The Other Steve says:

    Blame me. I’ve had a busy work schedule, no time to keep up with commenting. And that’s prolly a good thing, because there’s nothing worse than watching good liberals and Democrats act like neocons and Republicans because they can’t let go of their sense of entitlement in regards to a Jewish homeland.

    I like to think the Israeli’s are coming in to liberate Gaza from the evil Hamas. As I see it the Israeli military will be met in the streets with flowers and sweets.

    You really can’t tell me otherwise, because I’m a serious person and much smarter then you are.

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    R-Jud says:

    @Krista:
    Ginger ale or lemonade with ginger in it worked for me. Mint tea was never a problem either. I also nibbled pretzels and carrots first thing in the morning and found it settled me enough to eat a little breakfast.

    Have you been through this whole reproductive rigamarole before? If not, I should warn you that from about 32 weeks gestation, your tenant starts using your bladder for speedbag work.

    @cleek

    I can’t speak for Krista, but while I had morning sickness, that’s the LAST thing I’d have wanted anywhere near my mouth.

  113. 113
    TenguPhule says:

    People who use design PCs are sadists.

    Fixed.

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    John PM says:

    @The Other Steve: #97

    Sounds like someone has taken a ride on the divorce rollar coaster. See my comment at # 88. My dad had many bad things to say about his divorce attorney, most of which would probably trip the moderation filter here.

  115. 115
    Cris says:

    @Jay C: Santa Claus is Jewish?

    Exhibit A: Santa Claus does not trim the corners of his beard.

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    Another downside of Culturalism is that it makes people like Mac angry. The Culturalists convince Mac that he can do anything, and then Mac continues to fail. Mac then logically blames the culture and become resentful. This is destructive to Mac and the people in his life.

    It is far more ethical to be honest with Mac and help him to become a better cook. I am a fairly good runner but tried and failed to run a marathon. I am not resentful of those who can run marathons, but instead, have accepted the fact that my bone structure is probably the result of evolutionary forces in a part of the world where long distance running was not of value.

    We should govern ourselves by reason, not dogma.

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    TenguPhule says:

    Five years later, he’s been dumped by one girlfriend and is currently unemployed. She has a long-term, live-in boyfriend and terminal colon cancer.

    Is this karma or irony?

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    ninerdave says:

    I tried rebooting, which is something you always tend to have to do with Apple’s shitty software products but that did not help.

    uptime shows my Mac up for 33 days. Eat it.

    BTW, is there any way to interface with the iPod without using iTunes?

    Yes

    iTunes has got to be the biggest piece of crap ever written by a programmer. It’s clearly written in like PHP and ported over as a desktop app. It’s really that bad.

    Actually it was written in C/C++ then ported to ObjC. It started life as SoundJam

  119. 119
    Josh Hueco says:

    @comrade scott’s agenda of rage:

    Second photo’s not bad, but E-gads what an evil gaze.

  120. 120
    Cassidy the Racist White Man says:

    @ Krista

    Fuck the home remedies. Tell your doctor you want Zofran. It is an anti-emetic that won’t make you drowsy like Phenagren.

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    The Other Steve says:

    John Mayer live is completely different than John Mayer studio. The boy can wail. BUT, any serious conversation on guitar playing that doesn’t mention Tom Morrelo is not a serious conversation.

    Gee, talk about the minor leagues.

    I saw Eric Johnson live at the Cabooze back about 7 years ago.

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    comrade scott's agenda of rage says:

    Second photo’s not bad, but E-gads what an evil gaze.

    Agreed. My naughty bits climb would climb up into my abdomen if hit with that withering look.

  123. 123
    cleek says:

    iTunes has got to be the biggest piece of crap ever written by a programmer.

    there’s one little thing in iTunes that drives me absolutely bananas…

    i keep all my music on a network file server because i want to access it from multiple computers, and all the different computers keep their iTunes library files on the network server, too. this works perfectly, for the two computers that have hard connections to the network.

    plugged into the stereo downstairs, there’s a laptop running iTunes, connected to the network via WiFi. sometimes iTunes will try to access the network drive and it will fail (because the network card has temporarily lost its connection, usually). iTunes’ response to this is to create new, empty, library files on the local drive.

    the solution is easy:
    1. make sure the WiFi connection is up
    2. go to Edit / Properties / Advanced / iTunes Music Folder Location and point it at the network drive.

    but then, iTunes sees that big iTunes library file, with its 15000 songs, and decide it needs to rescan every single one of them, to update this library file it just found. this happens even though nothing has changed and the library files are fine – iTunes just forgot about them. it really doesn’t need to rescan anything.

    the rescan can take an hour. and i didn’t ask for it. and it’s unnecessary. and i can’t abort it.

    the fix would be drop-dead simple: do not, under any circumstances, automatically abandon old library files and create new ones. not if the network is down. not if the path doesn’t resolve. never. just leave it the fuck alone.

    but no, iTunes knows best.

    and so, every few days, i have to leave my laptop alone for an hour while it needlessly rescans every fucking song in my library – over a wireless network.

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    Krista says:

    Don’t tell her that! I almost got her to send me money to help cure her.

    No you didn’t. I’m queasy, not mentally deficient.

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    demimondian says:

    @ninerdave: Uptime shows my Mac up for rather less than a day. As usual, it puked when the VPN/NX client to my real work client got fucked over by OS X deciding that it really knows better than me, and disconnecting badly.

    Only fix? Pull the battery.

    Eat it.

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    demkat620 says:

    Currently playing on my Pandora: Billy Idol

    Great sneer or greatest sneer evar?

    Discuss.

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    Face says:

    Anybody know any good remedies for all-day-long morning sickness?

    A trip to Planned Parenthood?

    JOKING JOKING JOKING…..

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    comrade scott's agenda of rage says:

    PC vs Mac.

    How ’bout Novell? Okay, okay, it’s an NOS but I’ve worked with it for years. The servers stay up, well, forever. When Club Fed outsourced most of our IT to some of the Shittiest IT Contractors Ever, they insisted on bringing in M$ Networking. Nothing but fucking problems since.

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    Krista says:

    Have you been through this whole reproductive rigamarole before? If not, I should warn you that from about 32 weeks gestation, your tenant starts using your bladder for speedbag work.

    Yikes. No, this is my first. It could be a lot worse. I’m not throwing up — it’s just a perpetual feeling of a nasty hangover.

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    The Other Steve says:

    uptime shows my Mac up for 33 days. Eat it.

    When you get to 100, then we’ll talk.

  131. 131
    Sarcastro says:

    The best PC you can buy is a Mac not running Boot Camp.

    Every good comic of the last fifteen years should apologize to Alan Moore for stealing his shit. And then Moore should worship at the grave of Vaughn Bode.

    Religion only happens because the human brain’s capacity for pattern recognition is slightly underdeveloped.

    On that topic, if Jesus and Santa Claus got in a fight, Jews would win. However, the elves would still be lobbing missiles at them.

  132. 132
    Josh Hueco says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Agreed that Stewart the person is much better than Shatner the person. I do think that first-season Kirk was the best between the two, but Shatner couldn’t help himself and his character quickly got hacktacular as the series progressed. Picard got better with time.

  133. 133
    comrade scott's agenda of rage says:

    Currently playing on my Pandora: Billy Idol
    Great sneer or greatest sneer evar?

    First, go watch:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_hkIN38qnY

    Words of wisdom from the immortal Mojo:

    "And not no fool Billy Idol lip either."

  134. 134
    The Other Steve says:

    but no, iTunes knows best.

    Steve Jobs is much smarter then you are. He knows what you want before you know you want it.

  135. 135
    Comrade Dread says:

    I tried rebooting, which is something you always tend to have to do with Apple’s shitty software products Vista, but that did not help.

    Fixed.

  136. 136
    The Moar You Know says:

    My naughty bits climb would climb up into my abdomen if hit with that withering look.

    @comrade scott’s agenda of rage: There would be plenty of room for your naughty bits, she looks like the kind of woman who would sell your organs for a little extra room on the Visa card.

  137. 137
    The Other Steve says:

    How ‘bout Novell? Okay, okay, it’s an NOS but I’ve worked with it for years. The servers stay up, well, forever. When Club Fed outsourced most of our IT to some of the Shittiest IT Contractors Ever, they insisted on bringing in M$ Networking. Nothing but fucking problems since.

    Dude. It’s time to get over 1996. You don’t need to hold onto the anger so long!

  138. 138
    TenguPhule says:

    He knows what you want before you know you want it.

    And if you don’t like it, Itunes will brainwash you until you do.

    Jobs, Pod Alien or Poddiest Alien ever?

  139. 139
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    @renegademom:
    Sorry, had to go to lunch.

    Something like this is small, light and gets its power from the usb connection. Needs no power supply. Run offa that and you will save your internal drive a lot of wear and tear.

    As far as SSD drives, it’s just a big flash drive. They come in 64 and 128GB now, but are still prohibitively expensive (but not for long). They have no moving parts, are significantly quicker than a regular HD, and generally draw less power.

  140. 140
    The Other Steve says:

    Fixed.

    I wish I could install Vista on my iPod. That would be heaven.

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    Captain Kirk v. Captain Picard?

    Captain Malcolm Reynolds would kick both of their asses.

  142. 142
    demimondian says:

    @Comrade Dread: You think you want to reboot Vista? You can’t handle rebooting Vista! You aren’t *man* enough to rebot Vista!

  143. 143
    The Other Steve says:

    And if you don’t like it, Itunes will brainwash you until you do.

    Jobs, Pod Alien or Poddiest Alien ever?

    Alien Love Child

    Also happens to be some of Eric Johnson’s best work.

  144. 144
    TenguPhule says:

    Captain Malcolm Reynolds would kick both of their asses.

    Captain Sheridian will nuke them all and extinguish the evil forever.

  145. 145
    Comrade Dread says:

    I wish I could install Vista on my iPod. That would be heaven.

    You poor, poor masochist.

  146. 146
    The Other Steve says:

    You think you want to reboot Vista? You can’t handle rebooting Vista! You aren’t man enough to rebot Vista!

    You’re lucky you can pull the battery out.

    On my iPod, it’s soldered in.

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    Xanthippas says:

    BUT, any serious conversation on guitar playing that doesn’t mention how lame a guitar player Tom Morrelo is, is not a serious conversation.

    Fixed.

  148. 148
    The Other Steve says:

    You poor, poor masochist.

    I just have an appreciation for decent software that just works.

  149. 149
    demimondian says:

    @Billy K (D-TX): Careful with the ROPS arguments. Mac OS X sucks at handling the combination of wear leveling and fragmentation which happens on SSD’s — they slow down *a lot* after repeated rewrite.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    uptime shows my Mac up for 33 days. Eat it.

    Uptime for my Vista laptop; 42 days. I will have to reboot to finish install of some security fixes, sadly.

    Uptime for my Linux mailserver here; 714 days. The only time the Linux box goes down is due to long-term power failures (more than 30 minutes).

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    The Other Steve says:

    Ok, gotta go get some lunch… and then work the rest of the afternoon. Buh Bye!

    Mac’s still suck.

  152. 152
    Josh Hueco says:

    @The Other Steve:

    I might agree with you if you were talking 2000 or even XP, but Vista?

  153. 153
    The Moar You Know says:

    BUT, any serious conversation on guitar playing that doesn’t mention how lame a guitar player Tom Morrelo is, is not a serious conversation.

    @Xanthippas: Thank you. He’s worse than me, and I’m a bassist.

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    Jon Gallagher says:

    Alan Moore? Seriously?

    Um, Garth Ennis (Hitman! War Tales! Preacher!), Mark Rucka, James Robinson, Brian Michael Bendis (oh, ok, Powers is genetically linked to Watchmen, but seriously BMB finally broke the barrier to true dialog), all better writers than Alan.

    God love him for widening the view but Art Speigelman and Frank Moore were publishing Maus and Batman: Year One at the same time.

    Jon

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    Comrade Dread says:

    You think you want to reboot Vista? You can’t handle rebooting Vista! You aren’t man enough to rebot Vista!

    Admittedly, it took me 37 mouse clicks to go through all of the warnings and confirmation dialog windows to get to the point where it started to begin shutting down before it flagged some software that came preinstalled on the bloody laptop that was hanging and preventing the reboot, but I prevailed over my foe and got the thing turned off.

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    Face says:

    @comrade scott’s agenda of rage: A little too round in the face (that’s a euphanism for f….nevermind). So yeah, she’s probably got some decent front-junk, but I’m guessing the backyard is expansive and the stems are a bit thick.

  157. 157
    TenguPhule says:

    Every good comic of the last fifteen years should apologize to Alan Moore for stealing his shit.

    Japan is always superior. That is all.

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    demimondian says:

    The best PC you can buy is a Mac running Linux.

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    MattF says:

    …and any thread on guitar playing that doesn’t mention the late Danny Gatton is just missing the point. Sigh.

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    4tehlulz says:

    @TenguPhule: Weaboo

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    R-Jud says:

    @Krista:

    Right on. I was like that too, except for the afternoon in August when I was stuck in traffic near an open-air market that sold fish.

    I’m also having my first; due in early February. Outside of the kickboxing, I’ve had a little trouble getting comfortable in bed at night, the odd leg cramp, and I’m not happy that I’ve had to stop jogging this week. Other than that it’s been kind of fun. Here’s hoping you get through the queasies soon and that everything runs smoothly for you.

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    Ivan Ivanovich Renko says:

    He reminds me forcibly of all those engineers who know just enough biology to get themselves into trouble and then start championing creationism.

    Conservative engineers.

    The smartest stupid people on Earth.

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    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    @demimondian:

    Mac OS X sucks at handling the combination of wear leveling and fragmentation which happens on SSD’s

    I have no first-hand experience with OSX/SSD, but why would it be any different than any platter HD? And also, if this is such a problem, what about the SSD MacBook Air?

    I’m not saying I don’t believe you, I’m ju- Yes I am, actually.

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    Xanthippas says:

    Divorces involve attorneys. Attorneys are leaches and their only goal in life is to suck money out of clients.

    Well, not entirely.

    Though to be honest, after reading that article I am of the opinion that few people need their money taken away as badly as selfish, whiny and self-indulgent divorcing spouses.

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    TenguPhule says:

    @4tehlulz

    You could not be farther from the truth. :P

  166. 166
    demimondian says:

    @Billy K (D-TX): Linux’s FS’s can be configured to try to be less clever about optimization. It may be the only advantage the Lin-sux has over any of the real operating systems, but it’s quite real.

  167. 167
    Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon) says:

    @The Other Steve:

    I saw Eric Johnson live at the Cabooze back about 7 years ago.

    Eric Johnson’s playing just screams "I’m white".

  168. 168
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    @demimondian:
    Well, I can’t say OSX or Linux is better or worse at disk optimization, but I do know OSX basically does it on the fly (up to a certain file size), keeping files basically together rather than spreading them all over. Linux may be better at it, but I don’t think that means it’s a bad idea to use an SSD with a Mac. I’m looking forward to the day I can afford one.

  169. 169
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    BTW: Still waiting for a decent guitarist’s name to come up ITT. Gatton was close.

    Please, no more whitebread noodlers.

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    South of I-10 says:

    @Krista: Ginger and/or peppermint tea helped. If you have the heightened sense of smell, have all offending smells removed. Try to graze all day instead of eating three large meals.

  171. 171
    Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon) says:

    @Ivan Ivanovich Renko:

    Conservative engineers. The smartest stupid people on Earth.

    I stunk up my in-law’s Xmas dinner by going to war with my moran engineer brother-in-law. I usually suffer in silence, but first he slagged Joni Mitchell ("shitty guitar player"), then went off on the "Poor brown people killed the economy" spiel. Well…. something snapped.

    Here in Rocket City USA, conservative engineers are a plague.

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    AhabTRuler says:

    @The Moar You Know: Def Leppard’s drummer is also a better guitarist than Tom Morello.

  173. 173
    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    @AhabTRuler:

    Def Leppard’s drummer is also a better guitarist than Tom Morello.

    /thread

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    Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse says:

    Mika’s dad is smart and hawt. (Sorry, Laura.)

    Yeah, Joe, those newspapers? You will no longer read "all" of them, because your fuckwittedness is their fault. Right. Got it.

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    JL says:

    @Krista: I kept saltines on my night stand and would munch on a few in the morning. At the time I was the only female computer consultant in my office and I refused to take a sick day. Unfortunately, a few customers saw me turn quite green. You will get through this. Thirty some odd years ago, they were handing out pills, but I didn’t want to do that.

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    demkat620 says:

    @comrade scott’s agenda of rage:

    Mojo Nixon is the man.

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    JL says:

    We need to congratulate John for running a site where you can bitch about the Cowboys, solve the ME problem and discuss remedies for morning sickness.

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    JL says:

    @South of I-10: That’s when I would order pizza without cheese…. The good old days, I guess.

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    Josh Hueco says:

    I have an uncle who claims that Jimmy Page is the greatest guitar player of all time. You may file your long-distance psychological diagnoses here.

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    South of I-10 says:

    @JL: I was lucky, I never really had morning sickness. Unfortunately that meant I was starving all the time. I craved steak and Nilla Wafers. I probably hadn’t had a Nilla wafer before that in 10 years, and probably haven’t had one since. Also for the pregnant ladies, O’Douls Amber is not bad if you want a beer (or I guess a semblance of one).

  181. 181
    Ivan Ivanovich Renko says:

    Am I the only one at work today?

    Look at the bright side– as of two weeks ago I got no job to go to no more. And I am not by any stretch the only one– they got 25% of the people at my former employer.

    Happy New Year.

    Yeah.

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    A la lanterne les aristos! says:

    We need to congratulate John for running a site where you can bitch about the Cowboys, solve the ME problem and discuss remedies for morning sickness.

    Sure the thread is awesome but he really bombed at starting flame war.

  183. 183
    AhabTRuler says:

    @Josh Hueco: Spin Magazine thought that Jack White and Kurt Cobain were among the best guitarists ever. Now, I happen to like Cobain’s songwriting skills, but he was not a great guitarist (good shot, tho).

    Jack White just sucks.

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    R-Jud says:

    @Josh Hueco:

    I respond to that sort of thing by saying that Led Zepplin is the most overrated band of all time. Then I step well back.

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    Duke of Earl says:

    Eric Johnson is good but you can’t really talk about guitar playing without Stevie Ray Vaughan and Jeff Beck

    And let’s not forget about Steve Vai and Frank Zappa

    Oh yeah, I’m kind of partial to Joe Satriani too..

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    Xanthippas says:

    While we’re (also) on the subject of comic books, who’s up for becoming a real honest-to-God superhero?

    The Real rules are simple. They must stand for unambiguous and unsponsored good. They must create their own Spandex and rubber costumes without infringing Marvel or DC Comics copyrights, but match them with exotic names – Green Scorpion in Arizona, Terrifica in New York, Mr Xtreme in San Diego and Mr Silent in Indianapolis. They must shun guns or knives to avoid being arrested as vigilantes, even if their nemeses may be armed. Their best weapon is not muscle but the internet – an essential tool in their war on crime is a homepage stating the message of doom for super-villains.

    Honestly, I’m not sure which is cooler; home-made superheros or Darkon.

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    AhabTRuler says:

    @R-Jud: Me and the lil’ lady were discussing this just yesterday. I had iTunes make me a random mix CD for the car, and it gave me ‘Stairway’.

    In case of stairway, use fire.
    [h/t KOL]

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    binzinerator says:

    @Krista:

    My wife used to drink ginger ale or a cup of weak ginger tea. Helped some but her fave and most effective remedy were these things called Preggie Pops. She said they really helped. She was really bummed she didn’t hear about them until 5 months into her second pregnancy.

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    jTh says:

    God love him for widening the view but Art Speigelman and Frank Moore were publishing Maus and Batman: Year One at the same time.

    Actually, it was Dark Knight Returns at the same time, and Year One sometime thereafter.

    Honk if you too think that Maus was overrated.

    As for Alan Moore, perhaps pretentious, but an all-time king of pulling it off. From Hell is truly his towering inferno, before he got all mired in the League.

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    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    @AhabTRuler:
    You make sense. I don’t think you’re in the right place.

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    Duke of Earl says:

    And for a non-whitebread player there’s Chris Duarte

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    binzinerator says:

    @Xanthippas:

    … They must create their own Spandex and rubber costumes without infringing Marvel or DC Comics copyrights. …

    Hey this part sounds like some republicans we know… If there was a clause specifying the use of a dildo and which orifice to put it, I’d say the goopers would be the most American superheroes since Captain America.

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    jTh says:

    Please, no more whitebread noodlers.

    Adrian Belew. No noodler.

    ("Of Bow and Drum," if you need a foot in the door. Or, hell, "Pretty Pink Rose" with Bowie.)

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    Galen West says:

    Happy 5th Day of Christmas. Only 7 more days to go in the christmas season. And then, come January 6, it is Epiphany.

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    ninerdave says:

    @R-Jud:

    I respond to that sort of thing by saying that Led Zepplin is the most overrated band of all time.

    Heresy!

    Chris Whitley. Phenomenal Guitarist, Sadly he passed in 2005. He was amazing live.

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    binzinerator says:

    @cleek:

    I tried that line on my wife as a joke ( I can’t see how getting poked from the inside when nauseous is appealing).

    Her response? She almost threw up on me.

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    Krista says:

    Yep, I’ve been sucking down Canada Dry Ginger Ale like mad. Strangely enough, sunflower seeds in the shell are also very soothing. Not the sunflower seeds themselves, but the salt.

    And has anybody mentioned the late Jeff Healey yet for guitarists? I don’t know if I’d consider him as the best, but he’d certainly make my top 10.

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    binzinerator says:

    @comrade scott’s agenda of rage:

    Also probably very high maintenance.

    Dood, every woman is high maintenance. The key difference is in those who know they are. You want the ones who know they are and can tell you what they require, otherwise you are going to expend enormous amounts of frustrating and doomed-to-fail effort at guessing it.

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    Shawn in ShowMe says:

    Honk if you too think that Maus was overrated.

    As for Alan Moore, perhaps pretentious, but an all-time king of pulling it off. From Hell is truly his towering inferno, before he got all mired in the League.

    I wouldn’t call Maus overrated. Autobiographical cartoonists like Spiegelman, Kim Deitch and Howard Cruse play on a totally different field than fantasy writers like Alan Moore. It depends on what you’re into.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Guitar? Alex Lifeson.

    The thread is now closed.

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    A la lanterne les aristos! says:

    expend enormous amounts of frustrating and doomed-to-fail effort at guessing

    Also known as listening.

    /flame on

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    Face says:

    @R-Jud: I will respond to this sort of thing by saying you’re fucking insane. LZ in their heyday could drum, solo, and whine better than anyone.

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    R-Jud says:

    @binzinerator:

    "Dood, every woman is high maintenance."

    What exactly does "high maintenance" mean to you? I ask merely for information.

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    Svensker says:

    Jeff Healey, yup, Stevie Ray Vaughn, yup. I love me some Richard Thompson, too, but then he just plain twirls my knobs.

    Graham crackers, constantly, for morning sickness. And lemon meringue pie. :)

    Have you all seen the new puppy cam? A rescue bulldog had two adorable puppies just a few days ago. Their widdle paws are so piiiiiiinnnnkkkk. Squeeeeeeee.

    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/.....-puppy-cam

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    The Moar You Know says:

    @Svensker: OK, that’s pretty damned cute.

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    Comrade Ed Drone says:

    He reminds me forcibly of all those engineers who know just enough biology to get themselves into trouble and then start championing creationism.

    Well, it’s not about creationism as such, but a bunch of engineering students were bull-shitting about the universe, and they all agreed that God was an engineer.

    The mechanical engineering student said, "Yes, and he’s a structural engineer, too. Look at the human body, how the skeletal system fits together and allows us to move and make things and all."

    The electrical engineering student said, "Oh, but the skeleton would not be able to move without the electro-chemical signals of the nervous system, run by the brain. God is an electrical engineer, it’s obvious!"

    The third student said, "You’re both wrong. Who but a Civil Engineer runs a waste-water system through a recreation area?"

    Ed

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    R-Jud says:

    @R-Jud:

    Gah, I meant to edit that, it came out sounding totally harsh. I hear "high maintenance" get thrown around a lot and it always means different things to different people. Some people use it as a euphemism for "spoiled" and others use it when they could say "bad at communicating".

    @ Face:
    The word "whine" is my problem there. I can’t stand it from anyone, except maybe Freddie Mercury.

    Seriously, I don’t think that LZ completely suck, or that they never made any good music. It’s the hosannas that pour forth for them and this perception among a lot of people that they are The Guitar Gods Who Never Did Wrong that chafes me.

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    Cain says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Guitar? Alex Lifeson.

    The thread is now closed.

    Indeed.. however Joe Satriani is also pretty kick ass. I got an album a couple years ago called "Merry Axemas" which is of course guitar players doing the holiday favorites. His rendition of Silent Night, Holy Night was so fucking hot it made my toes curl. It starts out pretty mundane and then it goes off somewhere into a jam that was just way over the top. Lifeson also had a piece in there too, I think it was "Little Drummer Boy". Eric Johnson also.. it was a good album and a welcome break from the crap I heard on the radio.

    It’s sad as a fan of big band, that the only time I get to hear it is during Christmas time.. meh.

    Alan Moore’s Killing Joke (got hte first edition baby) is also smoking hot. Yeah baby.. yeah.

    cain

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    Cain says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    @Svensker: OK, that’s pretty damned cute.

    I see nothing but green screen. I want to see some puppies..

    cain

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    Zombie Golda Meir could make them all run up a tree.

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    AhabTRuler says:

    Eddie Hazel? Robert Quine? Robert Fripp? D Boon? Brian May? Larry LaLonde?

    There’s a whole lotta guitar out there to be talking best this, or greatest that.

    FWIW Satriana, Vai, Lifeson, and Eric Johnson all leave me dry. Good musicians, to be sure, but they don’t get into my head in a good way.

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    cleek says:

    Jimmy Page may be the sloppiest professional guitar player i’ve ever heard. XM/Sirius’s Zep channel plays some live stuff from time to time and there are some songs where he gets into the solo and then completely loses the rhythm, the melody and the key. so he flails around for a while until the rest of the band figures out that he’s lost the plot – then they mercifully jump back to a verse.

    i’m not saying it hasn’t happened to me a few times… but nobody calls me a Rock God, either.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    @cleek: Page couldn’t play his way out of a paper bag. That guy seriously sucks.

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    binzinerator says:

    @A la lanterne les aristos!:

    Also known as listening.

    Nope. Not the same.

    …the ones who know they are and can tell you what they require…

    If they can’t express what they want (assuming they first know what it is they want) all the listening skills in the world aren’t going to help.

    By the way, this is supposed to be a common male problem but in my experience it’s really a wash. The male version is the lack of communication. The man simply refuses to talk. The female version is not the lack of communication but the lack of communicating what she really wants, mostly because she doesn’t know or hasn’t discovered or hasn’t yet decided what that is herself. She can talk but she can’t tell. Either way the other person in the relationship ends up guessing to fill in the voids.

    Of course a shitty listener is going to cause a whole lot of fail no matter what.

    I had asked my wife on our first date if she was low maintenance or high maintenance. She promptly told me, "I’m high maintenance, and don’t you forget it."

    There was no coyness or snark or tease in her reply, just no-nonsense and direct. And I was impressed as hell. And I remember thinking, ‘Wow. I think I kinda like this woman. In fact, I think I could like her an awful lot.’

    Don’t know how common this kind of woman is but I’d guess not at all. Not in my experience anyways. The upside was I only needed to find one of them.

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    South of I-10 says:

    Ah hell, I’ll play. How about Sonny Landreth? Of course, I may be biased, I hear him play pretty regularly.

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    Onihanzo says:

    Every good comic of the last fifteen years should apologize to Alan Moore for stealing his shit.

    Stealing his shit? Have you read Lost Girls? League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? Even his ABC comics stuff?

    Moore’s been taking work that other people did and filing off the serial numbers for YEARS. Sonuvabitch gets butt hurt when someone does it to him but by god it’s okay when he does it to other (usually dead and incapable of defending their property) authors.

    Screw the Bearded One, says i.

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    Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon) says:

    @South of I-10:
    Since you’re down in the area, have you ever heard The Radiators live? David Malone is one smokin’ guitar player. And yeah….. Sonny Landreth……."Broken Hearted Road"… mighty fine.

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    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    Dear God, the "guitar" section of this flame thread just gets worse and worse – that is, whiter and whiter. You people are aware that blacks made some pretty good music at some point in history, yes?

    Kenny Burrell
    Grant Green
    Ernie Isley
    Charlie Christian
    Bo-Frickin’-Diddley
    Ike Turner

    Or how about:
    Django Reinhardt
    James Burton

    And if you like to tonk, there was none better than Don Rich.

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    Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon) says:

    @Billy K (D-TX): My original flame-bait was "best guitar player walking around", i.e. "alive".

    Bo Diddley? Gimme a break. The man wrote one decent guitar lick, then coasted on it the rest of his days.

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    AhabTRuler says:

    I though that V for Vendetta was an awful lot of pearl clutching. Pop Will Eat Itself expressed a similar sentiment in Ich Bin Ein Auslander. Yet, the police state that has arisen in Britain has done so under Labour, not under the Tories.

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    Billy K (D-TX) says:

    @Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon):

    My original flame-bait was "best guitar player walking around", i.e. "alive".

    Sorry. Then I retract my statement and humbly state I can’t think of a single modern player I give a crap for. I’m sure there is a few, but none spring to mind.

    P.S. Bo Diddley? Hush yo’ Mouth!

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    binzinerator says:

    @R-Jud:

    What exactly does "high maintenance" mean to you? I ask merely for information.

    I’m writing this long because I don’t have the time to make it short.

    It’s whatever emotional or physical needs the woman needs from her partner. And what that is varies (and sex is not a part of these needs — guys would view ‘high maintenance’ as very desirable not a drawback if that’s all it took.). In a crude definition, I’d say it constitutes paying attention to the woman in a way she wants and needs.

    As a f’instance, my wife needs more snuggling and cuddling than the other women I’ve known (and again I don’t mean sex, it’s not foreplay although admittedly it can turn into that). She needs this. Pure and simple. Sitting together on the sofa at the end of the day is part of that, but real fulfilling snuggling is quietly spooning and stroking her head. Slow scalp massages are, I have found, the bestest.

    I mean that women need some kind of connection with their partner, more so than most men seem to need. (High maintenance/low maintenance is no doubt a male invention.)

    The women who think they are low maintanence I think really aren’t, they just have their needs fulfilled some other way people don’t traditionally think of as ‘high maintenance’.

    What’s traditional? I’d include the need to be called up to see how their day is going or to go out for dinner or dancing or a movie or to be complimented on their hair or buy them flowers or even have a conversation. But I say most ‘low maintenance’ women either get their attention some other way, or they are just don’t know yet what they want and when they do they will surely seek it.

    Some truly may be low maintenance — they don’t mind a relationship where you can fuck them and ignore them until you need to fuck them again and they’re perfectly happy with that. But I’ve never had that, and I kind of doubt women would consider that a relationship, at least one they view as fulfilling and therefore one that can last for any lenght of time.

    What men call high maintenance in a woman is really what I consider the efforts it takes to build a relationship with a woman. And every woman is therefore high maintenance.

    One thing important consequence of all this is this: Because all women are high maintenance, the important thing for the guy is to find a woman whose high maintenance needs are something he’s willing or interested in doing or providing.

    I like snuggling, and although my wife likes it more than I do and I need less of it than she does, I do not mind providing the extra snuggling she needs. I can do this and it doesn’t bug me. So it’s no problem, it does feel nice, but I know I wouldn’t be doing that much snuggling if left to my own devices.

    So in actuality, when guys say "she’s high maintenance" what they really mean is she’s going to want things from them they aren’t interested in providing (or can’t provide). They see it as an annoying hassle, which lessens her sexual appeal.

    As my wife has told me many times before, ‘god I am so glad you like to snuggle.’ She knows she needs this, and she wanted a man who would and could provide that. High maintenance, and I better not forget it.

    Is that enough flame bait?

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    binzinerator says:

    @R-Jud:

    Gah, I meant to edit that, it came out sounding totally harsh.

    I didn’t hear it that way.

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    jTh says:

    I wouldn’t call Maus overrated. Autobiographical cartoonists like Spiegelman, Kim Deitch and Howard Cruse play on a totally different field than fantasy writers like Alan Moore. It depends on what you’re into

    Oh, I’m seriously into autobio. Cruse, to your point, is relentlessly amazing. And I assume Spiegelman has done plenty of work more impressive than Maus. But Maus was pretty superficial, thinly characterized, and rote, with almost none of the undercurrents or sophistication that we expect from great work.

    Eddie Hazel? Robert Quine? Robert Fripp? D Boon? Brian May? Larry LaLonde?

    I’d second that Fripp nod, especially within the Eno catalog, from "St. Elmo’s Fire" in 1975 though "I Fall Up" in 92 or so, but not to mention the better half of Crimson (per my Belew note above). There’s a white guy who deserves more credit, not less.

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    binzinerator says:

    @binzinerator

    I do not mind providing the extra snuggling she needs.

    Heh. Extra to me, I mean. To her it’s a bare minimum, a requirement. I am also told the provision of such by yours truly is in the marriage contract.

    I have never seen the marriage contract, ours or anybody elses, and I don’t recall ever signing such a document. However I have been assured repeatedly it exists and yes my name is on it.

    I have to take her word for it, I guess. I’d be a fool not to.

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    Gus says:

    Since the field has been opened to dead people, Jimi Hendrix. Argument over.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Duke of Earl:

    Lots of notes is not the same thing as good music.

    Go listen to some Wes Montgomery. You’ll see what I mean.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Billy K (D-TX):

    Kenny Burrell is still around. And given who you listed, I would recommend that you get acquainted with Russell Malone.

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    burnspbesq says:

    All you guitarists who think fast guitarists are the be-all and end-all should go to a bluegrass festival sometime, and sit two feet away from Rob Ickes at a workshop.

    He does what those fast guys do … on dobro. Which is like playing guitar with one finger.

    And he’s got taste, to boot.

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    Shawn in ShowMe says:

    But Maus was pretty superficial, thinly characterized, and rote, with almost none of the undercurrents or sophistication that we expect from great work.

    I think I see where you’re coming from. Compared to the psychological insights of Alan Moore or the lively characterizations of Howard Cruse, Maus comes off like a documentary. I submit that the straightforward storytelling style is a feature, not a bug. When you’re doing a comic about the Holocaust and the impact on your family, the facts alone are pretty powerful.

    Twenty years ago when Maus was first published, nobody outside of Jack Jackson was doing epic historical narratives in American comics. Even now it’s pretty rare.

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    binzinerator says:

    Since the field has been opened to dead people, Jimi Hendrix. Argument over.

    No it would be Robert Johnson, not Hendrix.

    Also, I remember in the mid-80s going to see Adrian Belew play. I was terribly disappointed. Whitebread noodler. Haven’t bothered listening to him since but by reading others’ comments here he must have improved something amazing over that time. Or else the bar was lowered.

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    Laura W says:

    @Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse: I just inhaled so forcefully (from sheer glee and gratitude) that I nearly sucked my toothpick down my esophagus.
    I heard Schmoe refer to this briefly, but I was flipping away so fast that I didn’t get the backstory.
    This pretty much made my night, but I’ve got threads to go before I sleep.
    I need to put this in the same file as Quebec French Speaking Copier Kitty video.

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    Laura W says:

    @binzinerator:

    but real fulfilling snuggling is quietly spooning and stroking her head. Slow scalp massages are, I have found, the bestest.

    I’m meeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllltttttttiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.
    We’re not in Balloon-Juice anymore, Toto.
    (Charming post. Yummy post.)

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    Jon H says:

    The Other Steve wrote: "If Bill Gates ever divorced Melinda Gates, the divorce proceedings would last until approximately the year 2145 and would be finalized by their great grand children."

    Nope. The lawyers involved would fund radical breakthroughs in cryogenics. The thawed heads of Mr. and Mrs. Gates would control robotic limbs to sign the papers, however long in the future the case would take.

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    Jon H says:

    @Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon):

    "Eric Johnson’s playing just screams "I’m white"."

    Maybe, but it’s not like he ever played for Yes.

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    Jon H says:

    @TenguPhule:
    Japan is always superior. That is all.

    Only if you’re really into little girl panties.

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    Jon H says:

    @ninerdave:
    "Actually it was written in C/C++ then ported to ObjC"

    Nope, not ObjC. It’s still Carbon.

    modok:~ jon$ otool -o /Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunes
    /Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunes:
    Objective-C segment
    can't print objective-C information no (__OBJC,__module_info) section

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    jTh says:

    Also, I remember in the mid-80s going to see Adrian Belew play. I was terribly disappointed. Whitebread noodler.

    Hmm. I can’t speak for Belew mid-80’s – I didn’t ever see him until early 90’s – but "noodling" has never really been his style on record, so I doubt that terminology applied to him. Anyway, I pointed to a couple outstandingly ferocious 90’s tracks above, if you’re interested.

    But if we include dead guys, I’ve got no quarrel with either Hendrix or Johnson – both towering greats, of course.

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    DR says:

    Best PC you can buy: A Mac with Parallels or VMWare… That way, if you absolutely must, you can use Windoze; the rest of the time you can use a real OS, not a toy.

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    The Other Steve says:

    Best PC you can buy: A Mac with Parallels or VMWare… That way, if you absolutely must, you can use Windoze; the rest of the time you can use a real OS, not a toy.

    Wait? Isn’t the Mac technically a toy?

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    sean says:

    You are all wrong. The correct (and only) answer is Warren Haynes

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    b-psycho says:

    Why isn’t Garth Ennis getting offers to turn his comics into movies?

    As for guitarists: dead, Hendrix. Live, Buckethead unfortunately. Take that with a grain of salt though, as IMO the majority of rock post-’70’s sucks ass. Only current ones I can stand are Rage.

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    Duros62 says:

    If you stretch the season out any longer we’ll start having to celebrate Hallochrismagiving by dressing up as vampire turkey Magi and giving candy and iPods to each other.

    Well, I’m up for that.

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    dobrojutro says:

    My .02 re guitar thread:

    – Jimmy Page played live with his Les Paul slung down around his shins to look cool with his wizzard ensemble. You try playing that way.

    – Opinions are like a-holes, so stop it with the ‘best player’. Having said that, Jeff Beck is the best player alive. Period.

    – John Meyer trying to sound like SRV gives me sub-zero douche chills.

    – Whitebread noodlers sound fine in the right context. So does Tom Morello. If it fits in the track, it is good playing. Larry Carlton would not sound good on "Killing in the Name of".

    – Gatton was a crazy hot player.

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    Jon H says:

    Bwa-ha-ha.

    30 GB Zunes around the world locked up at midnight PST.

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    The Pale Scot says:

    @ cleek,

    I had the same thing happen when I was shuffling the tune folder around some partitions,
    You can stop itunes in mid scan without screwing things up, either by clicking around on the little icons in the viewscreen or by force quitting, when you reopen itunz up it will not rescan.

    @demimondian
    there are terminal commands that will stop osx from resetting network connections, sorry, I don’t remember much about that, it has something to do with disabling a process, it’s a not uncommon problem network admin. run into.

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