Moving up here, because Tim and Michael want to change the way we liveblog. New posts will be at the top.
9:43 pm (John)- Ohio throws that idiot Joe the Plumber under the god damned bus. I hope they back up over him. This is over.
9:22: Mitch Mconnell wins. Ugh. (MD) But as I said earlier, I am not disappointed by that. I am not a McCoonnell fan. I am also not a shitty campaign tactic fan.
9:18 pm (Tim) – Here comes the fork. FOX calls Ohio for Obama.
9:04 pm (John)- Although the state and local races are really more important to the average voter, and then after that the US House and Senate races, it really is irritating me right now when they spend time covering the House and Senate races. Obama and McCain is all I care about.
9:01 pm: FOX briefly calls Ohio for Obama, then takes it back. Stop toying with me.
8:56 pm (Tim) Mark Steyn at the Corner:
I find that Keystone calling a bit premature given that a grand total of no precincts had reported. On the other hand, in good news for the GOP, CNN just put up a graphic showing Susan Collins with 100% of the vote and her challenger with 0%.
I can say without exaggeration that I have better election commentary in my pants.
8:54 pm (John) – I say again, this is taking too damned long.
8:39 pm (Tim) – Obama is -10 in KY with 50% reporting. It will be a sign if he kicks Kerry’s ass that isn’t known for racial harmony.
8:34 pm (Tim) – Watching FOX now. I have a champagne bottle of my sublime Baracktoberfest stout reserved for the moment that Brit Hume calls it for the Unity Pony.
8:33 pm (John)- Alabama goes to Johnny and the plumbers.
8:27 pm (John)- According to the GOS, Hagan, Warner, and Shaheen all won, so that is Blue +3, and Liddy Dole can spend the next few months helping Bob use up the complimentary viagra left over from 1996. +I Lost Count (although I think 7 is a safe guestimate)
8:20 pm (John)- Mom just called, and apparently one of the networks called WV for McCain, which should surprise approximately no one.
8:11 pm (John)- Suck it, Trebek. I guess PA went to Obama according to some channels other than CNN. I get only Fox and CNN, so I have to stick with CNN.
8:43: Didn’t see that we had a new Live Blog. We own Pennsylvania, bitches! (MD)
8:46: According to CNN, 102:34. Awesome. I am openly taunting my partner. I don’t know what he is fucking thinking. (MD)
8:53: Buh bye Liddy! Good riddance! (MD)
ChrisA
Can you peek in on Fox Noise periodically and let us know if they’re commiting sepuku. . . so we can tune in. Otherwise, we’ll start the new strategy of jsut ignoring them.
liberatemeiexinfernis
Obama leading on OH..this is looking good. GOBAMA!
Traig
PA is in the bag. Time to open the Lagavulin 16. Will hit that for a while, then it’s on to a Dogfish Head 120 min IPA and then… who knows.
Notorious P.A.T.
MSNBC gave Penn to Obama.
Halteclere
Fuck my gout – it won’t get me until this winter. I’m on my second beer…
Krista
Florida is also looking quite good right now.
And yeah, NBC is projecting PA for Obama. This is starting to get exciting — you are going to have a seriously giddy (and drunk) readership tonight, methinks.
Notorious P.A.T.
And has him ahead in FLA and N Carolina by 150,000 apiece.
liberatemeiexinfernis
anyone seeing the McCain party in AZ? looks like they are having a blast..or they are high….
raff
I’m watching the election on Fox. The general mood seems to be resigned to an Obama win. It’s just all about making excuses for McCain from here on in…
ninerdave
Senate +2 for Dems.
Delia
I just came in. Had NPR on in the car. They were talking about Ohio and had some correspondent at Repub headquarters there (don’t remember what city). She said everything was set up for a big party . . . . BUT . . . nobody was there. She kept going on about, um, "party" politics, and finally suggested they go over to the correspondent at the Dem headquarters to see if things were happier there.
JL
Please call a red state for Obama soon.
JL
Please call a red state for Obama soon.
Calouste
John, Pollster.com summarizes all the network projecion and exit polls in one handy place.
Will Hunting
repeat post from last thread. How is electoral-vote.com giving Obama OH and NC already???
I am pumped. Killer bottle of red with the wife right now.
MeDrewNotYou
Via MSNBC, in NC 24% of white voters say race was a factor. Of that group, 30% voted Obama.
Judging from how my NC relatives act, I find that damn encouraging for the country.
Laura W
Too bad you don’t have MSNBC because I for one can not get enough of David Gregory asking Gene Robinson what part race is playing and what would an Obama victory say about our country.
+3.25 (wishing for filet, asparagus and garlic mashed taters.)
Genine
On MSNBC, they were just speaking about those who voted for Obama in NC, even though race was a factor for them.
But from the stories I’ve read, its like those people were so fed up with what’s been happening that they voted for Obama anyway.
I think its good some people are willing to put their bigotry aside for a good common cause.
It gives one hope.
Alan
Geebus, what is wrong with the canvassing board in Palm Beach? MSNBC is discussing the idiocy of their absentee ballot. The voter has to complete an arrow rather than just mark the friggin’ spot next to their candidate. That county is run by morons (or is it morans?).
BTW, White Russians are a great choice for election night. It’s like desert.
raff
I suggest watching the coverage on Fox. Shep Whatshisname, tried to get in a "Obama gonna raise your taxes!" line & where, even a week ago, this would have made me angry, now I can only laugh. It’s too late for cheapshops, asshole! It’s all over & what Shep & the rest of the useful idiot doesn’t matter (at least for the rest of the night).
Thisis probably the last time I’ll watch Fox News, but it sure is fun at the moment.
Oops, now Fox call PA (& NC) for Obama! Oh my…
Delia
Liddy Dole just lost. And Tweety is now interviewing that idiot McCain economist/
Cassidy
any word on martin vs. chabliss?
liberatemeiexinfernis
in the words of ultra right wing Satan buttcheek Grover Norquist….I will use his quote to say .."America’s goal is to cut GOP in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub"
Alan
Dole lost….thank God! or thank "there is no god."
comrade dsc
chuck todd on NBC is just great tonight–really insightful
a "double stomach punch to Elizabeth Dole" is "simply stunning"
Dems up by three! Suck on that Joementum!
Josh Hueco
Damn you Bill Gates and General Electric.
kommrade jakevich
Dole on the dole!
She deserves it for that crap ad about Hagan.
@liberatemeiexinfernis: That would leave ring that couldn’t be removed with a tactical nuclear strike.
greynoldsct00
Yeah, predictable word… Saxby ahead unfortunately, last I heard
dr. bloor
Props to that 30%, however they may vote in the future. Sometimes it’s circumstances that drag you to thinking about things and acting in a different way, but a lot of folks never even get that far.
Foxhunter
@Cassidy:
Leaning RUNOFF in December.
ChrisA
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The goal is to burn the GOP to the ground and salt the ground so that nothing like it ever grows there.
Don’t get me wrong. . we need a conservative party for some balance, but it’s not the current GOP.
The Moar You Know
Exactly.
Apologies for my language:
Fuck Joe Lieberman, and his endorsement of John McCain, and his bullshit power-play antics. That’s over as of tonight. And nothing, but nothing, would make me happier than to see him tarred, feathered, and then flogged out of the Senate chambers.
Goodbye Joe, you turncoat, war-supporting, McCain fellating piece of shit (with apologies to pieces of shit, who unlike Lieberman, play a useful part in the cycle of life).
Moar + 2
Perry Como
Drunk buddy at the bar just coined a new word: "Camplaign."
McCain didn’t run a campaign, he ran a camplaign. He camplaigned about the liberal media. He camplaigned about socialism.
Ack, Sysadmin of Evil
The operative bit of good news on Fox at this moment is that they only need one! more! senate seat! to keep the filibuster.
Incertus
@dr. bloor: Yeah, I’d rather they came to their senses on their own, but if a Republican meltdown is what it takes, then that’s what it takes.
South of I-10
This is freakin sweet.
+2
JL
BBC refuses to call GA yet.. Yeah
Foxhunter
@The Moar You Know:
Hey TMYK, did you see him on the plane with McCain…you know, the last interview? I believe TPM has it up now. Anyhoo, he was sportin’ this shit eating grin next to Cindy. Fucking Schadenfreude, baby. It’a a beaut.
Axelrod is the new Golden Child of politics.
kommrade jakevich
Soooo, you’re saying only white guys are voting for McPOW.
‘Cos, the groups blacks and Hispanics must include men. [Checks] Yeah.
OK, with this in mind I’m going to make my first prediction for one of the top ten fReichtard talking points if Obama wins: "They’re breeding like bunnies and if we don’t do something, America will be overwhelmed by undesirables!11"
There will be increased calls to make abortion illegal unless the mother has a strong chance of giving birth to a Democrat.
Will Hunting
I, for one, would like to welcome our new Islamic overlord!
Needed to be said…
JL
@Cassidy: Saxby is up by a large margin with 27% of the vote but fulton and dekalb counties haven’t reported yet.. If he gets less than 50% there will be a run off.
Just Some Fuckhead
Don’t count on Virginia. Colorado and Nevada are going to have to get us over the top.
Patrick Lightbody
Regarding the CNN hologram – it might actually be "real" and not a visual effect. Of course, Buckley still has a lot of reasons to be pleased, but the question raised re: the hologram could be legitimate.
Check out what Cisco is up to here
The Grand Panjandrum
FTW and loss. Jesus! I am puking and laughing at the same time.
TGP +9. That Smuttynose Big Beer was an ass kicker. And that is a very good thing.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
God smacks Libby Dole… I like it!
Will Hunting
JSF – you are in VA right? I was there visiting family over the weekend (C’ville, Richmond and Newport News) and the ad blitz was vicious! Not like Texas where nobody is spending much…
OriGuy
Gaaa–Tweety’s talking to Tom DeLay. Why isn’t this guy in jail?
kommrade jakevich
One more story like this and I’m going to start blubbing uncontrollably.
Shit. I guess this means I can no longer throw wholesale snark at Texas. Oh well.
The Moar You Know
You’re a bit late, this has been a staple of American politics since the late 1800s, and has been a staple of anti-Mexican politics here in SoCal since the 1940s.
Thankfully, no. I have blood pressure issues as it is.
The Grand Panjandrum
… Oops … Tom Delay on MSNBC: ZOMG they are going to double the minimum wage!!!! Nancy Pelosi will run America!!!
Ash Can
@Traig: That Dogfish Head has got to be one of the best beers brewed in the history of mankind.
I’m making do with Goose Island right now myself, but that’s fine. A good Chicago beer for a good Chicago candidate.
Damnation, I’m loving that (projected) electoral vote count.
Delia
@The Moar You Know:
Latest pearls of wisdom from the Lieberman creature:
"I fear that America will not survive if Democrats get 60 Senate Seats."
dr. bloor
Isn’t DeLay in jail yet?
SammyB
Hagan Oh Ya
JL
I can’t believe I’m sitting here watching BBC.. the maps that they are using might not be as flashy but they do have a calming effect.
IndyLib
Holy Hell- MSNBC is talking to Tom "BugBoy" DeLay!
Why?
Foxhunter
@The Moar You Know:
Well he was sporting a really nice red sweater, reminiscent of Tiger Woods’ Sunday winner’s wear. As if his presence would somehow help him ‘seal the deal’.
I like your take on the man.
Mr. Poppinfresh
Lieberman had better PRAY dems pick up that 59th seat, or they will have no use for his slimy ass in their caucus and will give him the boot.
SammyB
We beat Dole
Just Some Fuckhead
Yes, the McCain ad blitz was just devastating in the last four days. I mean, practically McCain attack ads running back to back to back and hardly anything from the Obama campaign. They decided to spend money in Georgia, Arizona and North Dakota.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
CNN calling Minnesota for Obama :)
WHOOHOOO!
Added: I’m not sure why I was under the impression that was a red state previously… Hmmmm! Nevermind.
Foxhunter
@IndyLib:
Because he’s good for the hate ratings.
Comrade Jake
NBC sez AZ is too close to call.
IndyLib
Ewww! MSNBC just announced a re-up for David Gregory with a new name "1600 Pennsylvania Ave".
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
AZ too close to call. Owch.
CO is too early to call. Someone warm up the fat lady.
Snark Based Reality
What the fuck, half the fucking country is too early or close to call. Start calling, start calling!
JL
OMG BBC is saying that Fox called Ohio for OBAMA time for more wine
IndyLib
Badgers for Obama.
Yipee!
Notorious P.A.T.
MSNBC gives 175 to Obama. With 77 on the west coast all but assured Obama is at 252. McCain teeters on the brink.
Comrade Stuck
Our blog hosts I thinks are drunked. Live blogging north and south at once. I’m good at puzzles though.
Alan
Tom Delay?… As Rush would say, we need to keep these relics around to remind us how wrong and stupid the GOP was when they were expelled from power.
Comrade Jake
Palin/Delay for 2012!
J. Michael Neal
I don’t see any way that Obama doesn’t get to 269 and a tie. McCain has to win either New Mexico or Nevada to make 270.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
John, I sat here for three minutes to update a comment and waited and waited and watched the clock run down and my addition never made it in.
The site is slow. In 2012, can we please have the bugs of this system worked out?
CNN reports: John Sununu is going home!
J. Michael Neal
C’mon, Indiana. Let’s see if Obama can carry the whole Big 10. Take that you SEC #&*^.
Krista
I’m just delighted at Tim’s line that he has better election commentary in his pants.
+5
JL
Time is saying that FOX pulled back the Ohio call. The Secretary of State of Ohio said there would be no call until everyone voted.
Comrade Jake
What was the name of that wingnut GOP dude who was knocked out in 06? Not George Allen, but the dude who looked like a thinner version. Anyone know who I’m talking about?
He’s totally disappeared over the past couple of years. He was one of these dudes who was really into the pro-life, Terry Schiavo social issues. Fuck I just can’t remember the guy’s name.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Oh, nevermind, the addition went in but it didn’t show on my screen. Hmmmm!
EnderWiggin
So awesome. I went to check RedState.com at 9:08 PM. All I get
How very appropriate
TheHatOnMyCat
Fox has not called Ohio, JL.
Alan
@Comrade Jake:
They can take back the country for God. God’s ticket.
Comrade Stuck
@J. Michael Neal:
NM is going blue this time. And lo and behold Fox just called NM for Obama. Whoopity whoop whoop woo!!! We will aslo supply one senate pickup and 1 or 2 house seats.
JL
BBC just said that FOX is just calling all the states early for Obama just to get it out of the way. They had a good chuckle about FOX news.
Foxhunter
@J. Michael Neal:
Yeah, as a faithful SEC member, we’re pretty much fucked at this point. On the football field, however, "Not so fast" as crazy Lee Corso would say.
Nice post on your blog about the TED, BTW.
Incertus
@Comrade Jake: Santorum?
Just Some Fuckhead
Seriously?! Because that is automatically a win for Obama..
Tsulagi
Savoring this. It’s a Talisker 10 night.
+2
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Ooooh, someone’s giving PUMA hell over there and so far hasn’t gotten banned. LMAO, too funny!
Ash Can
The fact is, though, with Obama in line for an electoral-vote blowout, the House and Senate totals become crucial to the entire federal policy picture looking out over the next 2 years (at least). If the Democrats win a filibuster-proof majority in Congress, it’s full speed ahead.
Foxhunter
@Alan:
….or Terri’s Ticket.
They.so.would.go.there.
JL
@Just Some Fuckhead: FOX took it back. It looks good though.
Genine
I live in CO and I think we might pull it out. Which would be amazing. CO’s been red for a long time, but its been turning purple the last few years. Also Obama’s registered over a million new voters in this state, which is helpful.
I think it could definitely go Obama’s way.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
FL is looking really good. :)
Foxhunter
@CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII:
Dude, are you trollin’ at NoQ??
Laura W
@IndyLib: I can no longer credit Parrot Bay for my last upchuck. Bleh.
Alan
@Ash Can:
I’m curious to know if you used to post at FR under an assortment of "ash" aliases?
J. Michael Neal
Football? Maybe. You don’t have anyone as fast as Jordan Schroeder, though.
Wini
@J. Michael Neal: and Iowa…
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Charlie Crist just bailed on the Florida McCain party on an ‘important legal matter’. Mmhmm.
Comrade Stuck
Took a little surf over to Malkin’s crypt to see how the funhousers were doing. Of course, they’re all clutching their guns tight and ordering extra ammo before Obama levies his reparations tax.
kommrade jakevich
@Delia: Well, you’ve heard of people going nuts and thinking they’re Napoleon or Jesus Christ or suited to the presidency or what have you. McLieberman thinks he’s America.
Notorious P.A.T.
Obama’s lead in FLA just keeps growing. Up to 200,000 now. Some Republican on MSNBC saying south FL is going even worse than they anticipated.
Comrade Jake
@Incertus:
Thank you!
Palin/Santorum 2012! Bitches!
Seriously though, what happened to Santorum? I sort of miss the little fucker.
Foxhunter
@J. Michael Neal:
Point taken. I’m a UGA ticket holder, so I should probably get back into the corner where I belong.
Alan
Oops, double post.
Alan
@Foxhunter:
Sure they would. Look at Dole. She took the Ann Coulter route and called her opponent "Godless."
I’m so glad they’re losing. :)
Conservatively Liberal
Just watching the reports and nursing a nasty cold, so no drinking at this end (unless you count tea). Dole is out and that is great. The godless Sunday school teacher FTW!
It looks like Chicago is setting up to be one partying place if Obama pulls this off.
Go MUP!!
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
All the Republican spokescritters are saying that only McCain could have done so well this year.
Here’s a visual of how Obama vs. McCain would have looked like in 2006. dday explains how McCain totally trashed his own brand.
TheHatOnMyCat
OMFG FOX CALLS OHIO = OBAMA
GAME OVER
AkaDad
Virginia is starting to tighten. It ain’t over yet.
Foxhunter
@Alan:
Amen, brotha.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Mitch McConnell gets to retain his seat
::barf::
Just Some Fuckhead
That’s good news. Don’t count on Virginia. Capital of the Confederacy, bitches. Give us a hundred more years to seethe with resentment.
Jon H
The popular vote total is worryingly close.
TheHatOnMyCat
OMFG FOX CALLS OHIO = OBAMA
I think that does it.
TheHatOnMyCat
OMFG FOX CALLS OHIO = OBAMA
I think that does it.
TheHatOnMyCat
OMFG FOX CALLS OHIO = OBAMA
I think that does it.
RareSanity
heh…Big 10 football is like the Republicans…SEC is the Democrats.
As a GA resident, SEC politics are embarrassing….kinda like Big 10 football…HA!
J. Michael Neal
@Wini: The Hawkeyes will come through. I may be giving the Fuckeyes too much credit, though.
Edit: Never mind. Ohio isn’t quite as stupid as I thought.
handy
Faux calling OH for BO. Hells Yeahhhh!!!!
Laura W
@JL: Man, I was just about to ask why Fox is calling stuff before MSNBC and CNN.
But why is Fox calling stuff early for Obama?
Why am I so confused?
+4???
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Fox just called Ohio for Obama again?
Mentis Fugit
Why stop there? Why not take a leaf out of Arthur Dent’s book?
"I’ll have you hung, drawn and quartered! And whipped! And boiled… until you’ve had enough. And then I’ll do it again! And when I’ve finished I will take all the little bits, and I will jump on them! And I will carry on jumping on them, until I get blisters, or I can think of anything even more unpleasant to do."
dr. bloor
OH to Obama on MSNBC.
It’s over.
Delia
YESSSSSSS!!!!!!! MSNBC just called Ohio for Obama!!!!
Just Some Fuckhead
OHIO! Now I can relax.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
If the Popular Vote total is close, the EV total doesn’t look close at all. Relax.
Krista
The hysterical thing over at Malkin is that most of the commenters are complaining that the reason the Repubs are loosing is because they’re RINOs — i.e., not conservative enough!
That’s right, Repubs. Keep kowtowing to the Malkinite/Palinite base. That’ll definitely endear you to the rest of the country.
Jon H
Massachusetts’ marijuana decriminalization ballot question is currently at 65% YES with 22% of the vote tallied.
I don’t partake, but NICE.
IndyLib
@Jon H
:
CA will add a shit load to the popular vote.
gwangung
MSNBC calls Ohio for Obama.
gbear
I just joined the fun here. Decided to watch Dr Strangelove rather that watch the early returns. How can MN be called for Obama while the senate race shows no results at all?? I wanna see Coleman go down, please.
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
Wow. Ohio. But aren’t the Republicans challenging votes there? This may not be over.
Comrade Jake
So does the BBC have a time-traveling Mole inside Fox News or something?
Comrade Stuck
MSNBC just called Ohio. Lights out. Meet prez elect Obama.
Genine
I wouldn’t count out VA yet. They haven’t counted the North Virginia counties yet… you know… "Fake Virginia".
Come on, "Fake" Virginia! Show them what’s real!
kommrade jakevich
Wait? What? Are you sure? Aaargh!
Fuck it, the liquor store is still open and my boss didn’t bring his sorry ass into work today.
TheHatOnMyCat
Based on my map, unless there is a huge upset out on the west coast, Obama has locked up 280 electoral votes.
I need a drink.
Martin
Well, anyone on my drinking game is only +1 so far. I suspect that all the too close states will hit and once and push it to +8 or something.
Martin +1
Conservatively Liberal
At Intrade, Obama is at 98.0 and McPalin is at 1.5.
Time to get some Repubs to invest in their anchor twins? ;)
Bobzim
I’d add Rachel Maddow to the Pundit Dream Team.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
CNN just said they’re about to announce a major state (I think it’s OHIO) after a commercial break.
WE GOT IT FOLKS, The TALIBANGELISTS ARE TOAST!
JL
MSNBC just called Ohio for Obama.
Just Some Fuckhead
It doesn’t look close enough to steal.
gbear
Ohio is going to be a total fucking mess. Obama needs to get enough e-votes so that Ohio doesn’t matter.
Bootlegger
Now the specific issues. Gay rights, abortion and of course marijuana decrim.
3 ballot initiatives on same-sex marriage. 2 on abortion rights, and one on drug war sanity.
Delia
It’s not over yet. Obama still needs to rack up a bunch more or the goopers will indeed start mounting the legal challenges in Ohio. If the the electoral count is too massive, it won’t matter.
Bad Horse's Filly
Hey…everyone is over here now! I said in the other thread:
ABC just called Ohio for Obama as well. When they did, I burst into tears. I knew I was tense…I didn’t realize I was fucking insane! Come on Colorado!
AhabTRuler
Obama’s pulled back to within 5k votes in VA, according to CNN.
73% rep.
AhabTRuler
And Hank Williams, Jr. can get stuffed.
JL
McCain could be the next President if he carries California, I think.
J. Michael Neal
RE: Big 10 football:
Hey, I’m a Gopher fan. I know bad football. There are years the hockey team outscores the football team.
Just Some Fuckhead
Yeah, it was pretty emotional for me too. But Fuckhead doesn’t cry.
Brian J
So I finally get home after a long but, well, interesting day. I’ll tell you guys about it some time.
Let me say, before the new thread, that I am feeling good. I my projections aren’t perfect, as I said Obama would win Georgia, but we still have Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia, and Montana to pick from. Hell, perhaps it was supposed to be South Dakota.
But whatever the case, we won Ohio. That means Obama is the next president. I still want a big win, but hell, we’ve got it. We have motherfucking got it!
Comrade Jake
NBC sez had Kerry won the same states Obama’s now locked up, he would be the POTUS right now.
I think we got this folks. All that’s left is by how much.
Kos sez that people at McCain’s victory party in AZ have been closed off from the media. So they’re clueless, like their candidate.
Comrade Stuck
I am so very proud of my Country tonight. America the Beautiful, once again. And kudos to our terrific neighbors of the North. Oh, Canada!
JL
@Bad Horse’s Filly: I have been tense all night but the wine and popcorn helped to settle my nerves.
Krista
I cannot believe how excited I am. I don’t even live in your country, and I’m half-drunk and jumping up and down with glee.
This is so incredibly exciting, and I’m so happy to be sharing this moment with you guys. The world is with you, and we’re all celebrating, bitches!
Wini
@J. Michael Neal: Season ticket holder. I know of what you speak.
Delia
He’s got NM. If he can just manage to carry the West Coast and Hawaii he’s got the cake with frosting. That doesn’t even count anything else that hasn’t been called yet.
cain
wooo!!! Neck in Neck in Indiana!! I think Obama is going to take Indiana!
cain
Ash Can
(Apologies to all if this shows up multiple times.)
@Alan: Nope, not me. This is the first and only political board I’ve posted on. The combination of alcohol, sarcasm and profanity here makes me feel right at home.
MSNBC and CBS calling OH for Obama? Say goodnight, Gracie.
AhabTRuler
Katie Couric & Peggy Noonan are talking bi-partisanship.
Brian J
Krista, I’m glad our joy is tangible. Please, jump in and grab some.
Bad Horse's Filly
@JL: If I didn’t have a big day tomorrow, I might indulge. But for me, 2nd pot of coffee (decaf no less) and NO leftover halloween candy. I obviously didn’t plan this event very well. If I could mainline chocolate, I’d be better.
Scott H
John King on CNN does the magic wall math. If McCain wins every remaining unprojected state except the three West Coast states & Hawai’i he is 4 short of 270.
South of I-10
Damn, Louisiana goes McCain as expected. I was all hopey, y’all don’t laugh.
TheHatOnMyCat
I sat here and predicted an Obama win ….. six months ago. But I gotta say, I am stunned right now.
This is the most fantastic thing that has ever happened in this country in my lifetime.
I am in total shock. I have never been so proud of being an American as I am right now.
Bootlegger
@cain:
Nothing in from Gary county yet. It will put The Whippersnapper over the top.
AhabTRuler
@Scott H: Yeah, but I want to savor each sweet, sweet electoral vote.
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
Huh? MSNBC says McCain is meeting with Palin right now. I thought he was in AZ and she was in AK.
Krista
So TZ, what was your bet with DougJ again? Looks like you might actually collect on that bet, my friend!
Foxhunter
@AhabTRuler:
Fuck Noonan and her vomiting clamor for bi-partisanship. She was, perhaps, the biggest Bush co*cksucker in print for 6 years. NOW she wants bi-partisanship? She can get on the train to no access with Broder.
Suck.on.this.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Hey Peggy Noonan, SAVOR THIS!
The Dangerman
I wonder if there will be a challenge to early voting in Ohio (and Florida if the Losers lose it). I just don’t see them conceding honorably until the last lawsuit is tossed out.
+ … um … + …. er … + … ah, hell with it, +(no clue)
AhabTRuler
Obama ahead in VA.
10k votes.
Steve The Other Plumber
I’m breaking out the Scotch!
1992 Glen Rothe single malt.
rawshark
They’re all at the Biltmore now according to local radio.
Genine
I send loving positive energy to Krista, Obama, Canada and the whole world!
Woot!
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
2 minutes to Jon Stewart. Let’s blow this popsicle stand.
dr. bloor
I really don’t want to see any of the meatsacks that have been insisting on a McCain win in their birthday suits, thank you.
Martin
Let me know when Jessica Alba and Miranda Kerr are talking ‘bipartisanship’ and I’ll be sure to switch over.
Anyone playing along with me. According to AP we should be at +2 (NH, OH).
-Martin +2, waiting for AP to call NM.
Comrade Jake
Anyone know how Bachmann is doing in MN?
TheHatOnMyCat
I think the technical bet was that McCain would get less than 35% of the popular vote. Just about an impossible target, but I wanted to see how far I would have to go before he took the bet. I’ll pay …. but I have never been happier to lose a bet! Yee-haw!
She arrived here in Phoenix a short time ago. For what purpose, I have no idea. Maybe to keep Johnny from jumping off the balcony of his highrise condo?
Mr. Poppinfresh
As Ahab said, according to ABC’s hard numbers Obama is now up by 11k in Virginia, and it keeps creeping upwards. It looks like its’s essentially playing out like the Webb victory- late break for the D via NoVa returns.
Do you see that lump in my pants? It’s a happy lump.
JL
Where did the troll go? Maybe his shift was up and I figure that today is his last pay day. Maybe he/she will just stop by once and awhile to say hi. I like our odds tonight. It just doesn’t seem likely that McCain will carry California.
Louise
We are +6 or so and just cracked open the champagne. This is O-VER. I cannot believe this. I’ve been waiting EIGHT FUCKING YEARS for this day.
Thank you HOward Dean.
Thank you David Axelrod
Thank you David Plouffe.
O-BA-MA!
O-BA-MA!
This is unbelievable. I’m going to be crying the rest of the night.
Johnny Mac? Go try and find your soul.
Sarah? Buh-bye. Go vay.
WHEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+7
Just Some Fuckhead
I expect Obama to flip at least three more red states and and make the math too difficult for Republicans.
liberatemeiexinfernis
Joe the fake plumber can go join his Nazi skinhead rallies openly now..he and his thickhead rightfully belong there
Wini
@Comrade Jake: according to TPM, with 5% in, she’s up 47% to 43%
Phil
Since it appears Obama has won Ohio, I will be the gracious loser and congratulate all of you on the victory. Of course, I’ll add an important caveat that you can take or leave at your peril: Politics is not a football game. You don’t win the election, pour some Gatorade over the coach’s head and then ride off into the sunset. You’ve won the election but you’re just getting started.
In a perfect storm for Democrats, it looks like you will not achieve "landslide" and you will achieve a marginal 1-2 win in the popular vote. This is despite the most unpopular President since Carter or Nixon as the incumbent, a significant recession that started a month before the election and a media that has literally cheer-led your candidate. I know on the last point you will take issue with but I suggest not taking my word for it and just look at literally ANY independent poll of the media’s bias.
So congratulations, but watch out. George Bush is going back to Crawford. There’s no more albatross hanging around Republican necks. Your Congress has an approval rating in the singles to mid teens. Before, you could still blame Bush and excuse this away. Now you can’t. You OWN all your failures now.
You might hate Joe the Plumber for some ideological reason, but he speaks for millions of people and he speaks for most small businesses throughout America – the small businesses that create most of the new jobs in this country. You’ve also nominated a candidate who has promised to raise taxes and raise protectionist barriers during a recession. That would make him the first President since Hoover to do – I’ll let you consult a history book to see how that worked out.
Call it sour grapes if you’d like, but I’ll congratulate you all again. Just remember, you’re in charge now. No more whining, no more finger pointing. You fuck up, it’s ALL on you now. Good luck, for America’s sake.
Martin
Bachmann up 47-43 with 19% reporting.
AkaDad
I’m going to fill a hot tub and soak in Republican tears.
Jon H
"Kos sez that people at McCain’s victory party in AZ have been closed off from the media. "
They’re putting on their matching Nikes and breaking out the Motts.
Just Some Fuckhead
McRage prolly wanted to give her the c*nt rant in person.
The Dangerman
If I proposed marriage to Miranda Kerr here on The Juice, would that be a first?
+(lost track after Ohio)
Josh Hueco
W00t! The word is fight, fight fight for Iowa Obama, let every loyal Iowan sing
pikhoved
Watching the MSNBC web feed, and i think Matthews is going to cry.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Hold on to your hats folks. Al Franken is currently beating Norm Coleman 45%-39% (other 16%) with 6% of precincts reporting.
Just Some Fuckhead
Phil, if you’re in the Virginia area, maybe we can get together. I’d love to taste your sweet sweet tears of fear and rage.
Foxhunter
@Phil:
In essence, Phil just instructed us to NOT do everything Republicans have done for the last 8 years with a sprinkling of ‘Joe the Plumber’ thrown in for good measure. Don’t worry Phil, most of us fucking lived it, too. Now get off my lawn.
Chris Johnson
I was part of the crowd that gave Obama Vermont right away. We are hoping he’ll visit us, and then there will be a black person here :D
I’m not drunk- or weeping- I’m noodling on a synthesizer and halfheartedly doing some work. Might abandon that latter project and go to bed.
Let’s bear in mind that maybe not half, but a huge fuckin’ chunk of our country voted McCain/Palin even after all the trainwreck of their campaign, even after the banks collapsed, even after all of that. And they are entitled to freedom of opinion in our country. But we’ve seen in the last eight years what happens when we PRACTICE their opinion.
Let’s be mature enough to practice a tough love that justifies both words, while still getting our country whipped back into respectable shape.
Let’s grow the fuck up.
But- not tonight ;)
AhabTRuler
Now Katie (back in the day my friend used to call her ‘Captain Kirk’) is talking about the "dangers of one-party rule."
I’m mean she’s right, but the timing is convenient for her.
gwangung
Well, Tim Mahoney-FL is going down to defeat…
Awwwwwwwwww…..
Bad Horse's Filly
@Steve The Other Plumber: Oh, you’re killing me! Let us know how it is.
And Fuckhead: real fuckheads don’t cry…instead they hide their emotions by grabbing Mrs. Fuckhead and kissing her passionately and thank her for putting up with him. win-win
Phil
"I’m going to fill a hot tub and soak in Republican tears."
Sorry bro, Republicans are not nuts like Democrats are. I won’t be seeking out a therapist for Obama election syndrome as many Dems did after Bush’s re-election. Poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll shows Republicans are happier and have better and more sex than Democrats, regardless of who the President is (even during the dreadful Carter years). So enjoy your bath. It’s going to be rather dry.
We’re going to be holding your asses accountable.
Blue Raven
I’m on the train home from work. This is so sweet to read. Man, it’s so good to be right this year. I’m tearing up.
jibeaux
Huh. Atanarujarat (or whatever), who thought McCain’s 8-3 lead via Kentucky was an excellent harbinger for McCain, is not here. Did someone explain that "first state takes all" is not how the EC works or something?
Just Some Fuckhead
If I’d have known he was going to lose, I’d have never had sex with him. I feel cheap now.
CarolinCA
Phil –
Thank you for the congratulations.
If you think, however, that most of us are anything less than acutely aware of the challenges that lie ahead, you have grieviously misunderstood and underestimated us.
Progressives have been facing an uphilll battle on multiple levels for years now, and have learned one hell of a lot about the reality that success in politics necessitates reaching out to allies on an issue by issue basis. Obama is supremely pragmatic that way, in case you hadn’t noticed.
Surely you don’t think that we believe we’ll suddenly be dancing in a perfect world under rainbow-hued clouds together as of tomorrow?
And surely you are not so delusional to think that whatever goes wrong after tonight is actually all on us. This happens to be your country, too, unless you are planning on turning your back on her for the next four years. Somehow I doubt that is the case.
We have a lot of work ahead. All of us.
Josh Hueco
Actually he’s shopping for a home in the tony parts of Dallas. The fake cowboy’s not going to settle at his fake ranch.
J. Michael Neal
Hopefully he takes Murtha with him.
dr. bloor
Luck won’t have anything to do with it. Just keep the bitter deadenders on your side of the aisle the hell out of the way and watch competent governance in action. Obama will be happy to have your lot benefit from it, even as you piss and moan about it every step of the way.
Steve The Other Plumber
Awww, poor Phil. He though McCain was gonna win.
AhabTRuler
Now with the accountability! Oy gevalt!
Foxhunter
@AhabTRuler:
Fucking obtuse. No other way to describe the hacks. I never once heard Brooks, Noonan, Couric, et al., fret over one party rule going back to 2000. Their sugar daddies are going out of office, and they still act so hacktackular, working in the mode that they are competing for access into Rebpublican circles.
Jon H
Phil wrote: "We’re going to be holding your asses accountable."
The GOP don’t know what accountability is anymore.
p.a.
Actually, most of the job growth over the last half-century is due to large corps. (not that I love ’em, but facts are facts, at least on planet non-GOPer). Small businesses create many jobs, but also destroy many, as the failure rate for them is so high. Just another Republican pseudo-fact their followers are too lazy to check out.
Note on tonight’s results: yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
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Oh, and NO! on 8!
TheHatOnMyCat
I love Franken as a comedy writer, and I might learn to like him as a senator, although his big ego is going to need to take some lumps in that old boys club. But damn it is good to see Republican senators sent packing.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
You mean like you guys did for six of the last eight years? How kind of you to remind us.
Fuck off!
Just Some Fuckhead
If you knew anything about accountability Phil, you wouldn’t be gettin yer ass handed to you right now. Get a fucking clue.
Martin
Iowa put us to +3.
He doesn’t own a small business nor does he have the money to buy or start a small business. He’s unemployed and rebuilding as a community organizer. No, I’m not kidding.
So, he’s going to collect money from other people and distribute it how he wishes, supporting himself along the way. And this doesn’t meet his own completely wrong definition of ‘socialism’ how?
We hated Joe the Plumber because he was and continues to be an absolute fraud. If the GOP wants to win the respect of the other half of us, they need to demonstrate that they respect honesty and the rule of law. That’s all. That’s why we hate Palin and Joe – Joe is a fraud and Palin is a liar and doesn’t understand or respect the law. And McCain is a fraud for foisting these two idiots as representative of small business owners and responsible federal governance.
Comrade Stuck
El Correcto Phil. You guys have fucked things up so badly, it will take his whole two terms to unfuck them. To follow on your theme, please advise Bitch Mcconnell to stop his world record filibustering. We will accept the responsibility for what happens, but wingnuts need to get with the program and take down all the roadblocks. Of course, if we get to 60 tonight, that won’t be necessary.
Comrade Jake
Phil, with all due respect, if you think Joe The Plumber was important this cycle when there’s absolutely no evidence for it so far, you’re fucking clueless.
eyeball
Things are looking better and better for john mccain.
Tattoosydney
Phil, you have a point. The Democrats do need to get to work, and not behave like Republicans have for the last eight years.
However, my considered response to you is:
Woo fucking hoo! We are going to win! Fuck you, loser!! Kiss my shiny red butt! Now fuck off to the sump hole you crawled out of with your "Joe the Plumber" bipartisanship crap. Fuck. Right. Off.
TheHatOnMyCat
Yeah, Phil. It’s the old baseball joke: You guys have fucked up left field so bad, nobody can play it.
Well, not quite. Your team gave it a good try, and almost ended the American Experiment. But we came along to save your butts. You can thank us later … after we kick you in the junk for a year or two.
J. Michael Neal
Celebrate!
AhabTRuler
@eyeball: and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy!!
ChrisA
This is all good news for John McCain.
Phil
"And surely you are not so delusional to think that whatever goes wrong after tonight is actually all on us. This happens to be your country, too, unless you are planning on turning your back on her for the next four years. Somehow I doubt that is the case."
No, I’ll be here. You are right that the country as a whole loses because of stupid policies (witness how the state of Michigan, Republicans and Democrats both, has been devastated by Democratic super-majorities that parrot labor union talking points as foreign auto manufacturers set up shop in right to work states in the South). But the party in power pays the political price. Any fuck ups are politically all on you now. No finger pointing, whining or excuses.
And this isn’t directed to you but to some of the others here: Jeez, some of you are outrageous. Are you always this angry? I’ve never seen such an angry bunch of winners. Try some Valium or something.
The Grand Panjandrum
Please. Are you talking about broke ass, couldn’t make 250K ass if he sold it, Sam Wurzfucknuts?
Beam me up, Scotty! There is NO intelligent life on this planet!
TheHatOnMyCat
That is all win.
Ned R.
@Phil: Republicans are happier and have better and more sex than Democrats
Oddly enough, I’m not registered for any party — and I’m *more* than content with life in general. I take this as the greater truth.
Krista
Anyway, kiddos! I’m off to bed, despite being slightly the worse for wear due to an overdose of euphoria and Pinot Noir.
Love you guys! Tomorrow really IS a new day!
Tsulagi
Would expect McCain to give a reasonably gracious concession speech when the time comes. Curious to see if Palin will do the same, or if she’ll continue all wingnut with an eye and a wink toward 2012.
It’s going to be a long flight back to Alaska tomorrow, Winky. Don’t let the door from the lower 48 hit you on your ass on the way back. You betcha.
Comrade Jake
Bob Barr really might end up handing a few of these states to Obama when it’s all said and done. The margins are looking like they’re going to be in the statistical noise area.
p.a.
The RightWing fucktards are correct. With the condition they have left the country in, the primaries and general election races will seem like a holiday compared to the work required over the next 4 years, even without their expected antiAmerican sabotage. Don’t forget, they’re not competent to achieve anything positive, but they are expert sappers and smearmongers. Party first for those turds.
gbear
It may take a few years for Franken to settle in, but I think he’s going to be a great senator. He understands very well what Paul Wellstone was all about and I think they actually share temperment. Wellstone had an ego too.
And to Phil:HAHAHAAHHAHHHAAAhahahahahhhaaaa…oof
Josh Hueco
And we should seek to emulate the anti-union, right-to-work, low-wage Confederacy how?
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Ronald Reagan had one party rule, and half of the country considered him GOD. Just think, if we had ONE PARTY that actually understood how to fix problems and set to work to do that. Hmmm, doesn’t sound so bad when it’s put that way.
Phil
PS Looks like the Republicans could very well pick up Landrieu’s Senate seat in Louisiana. You could very end up closer to 55 than to 60. We shall see.
Scott H
If this election means that Republicans are going to start holding someone, anyone, accountable, I would say that is a definite double-plus unbad bonus.
cain
Actually, Bush is going back to Dallas. See he can stop playing cowboy now and close up his ranch now that he’s finished the presidency.
But thanks for the congratulations. We’ll be on guard in 4 years.
cain
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Thanks for taking a beautiful mansion in a great neighborhood and turning it into a torn up whore house and then making US responsible for making sure it’s cleaned up because you couldn’t maintain it.
Fuck off asswipe!
kommrade jakevich
I know I should be more charitable but I’m afraid I find Phil’s audition singularly lacking in originality, depth or projection.
Second prediction for top ten fReichtard talking points if Obama wins: OMG, the homeless shouldn’t be allowed to vote!
I’ve heard a few people batting this turd around already. If it emerges that more of the homeless voted for Obama they’ll turn it up to 11.
J. Michael Neal
He was a bad comedian, and a bad radio host. He’s been a horrifically bad candidate, and he’s going to be a crappy Senator.
However, he is not Norm Coleman, so I voted for him.
Martin
Woo, AP calls NM – that’s shot #4.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Hey Phil, I made my official projections last night and I said 57 seats, not 60. We are not really expecting 60, although it would have been nice. If you think you’re giving us a deep jab by rubbing the lack of 60 in our faces, you’re wrong. We didn’t expect it.
Phil
Since you apparently didn’t read my post, I’ll make it nice and simple for you. I’m a foreign auto manufacturer, say Toyota or Honda. I can:
A) Set up an auto plant in Tennessee or Kentucky (or insert red state here) where I can deal with a business friendly climate, right to work laws where if I make my workers happy they’re not required to join a union, and I have a steady stream of hard working…Joes who want to build the cars of tomorrow (like the Prius being built in Indiana now)
or
B) Set up an auto plant in Michigan, where all auto plants are expect to be UAW plants, with the associated job banks, pension funds and ridiculous work rules that come along with that – not to mention the fact that all the Democratic politicians are bought and paid for by the unions.
Now putting aside your political blinkers, where would YOU set up a car plant?
If you said NOT Michigan, congratulations. Please claim your prize at the door. Now Michigan is in worse shape than any other state in the nation. And Democrats control Michigan all over the state yet voters there continue to re-elect them (at least the ones that haven’t move out yet). The only ones left are those who still think manufacturers take Michigan seriously when making decisions like auto plants and are waiting around for a job. Please don’t make America like Michigan and pass "card check" legislation.
Thanks much.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Will.I.Am is being hologrammed on CNN.
Tattoosydney
I thought your name was Phil. Are you a little confused?
Martin
Man, I spent 45 minutes on the phone with my mom on that topic. She bought into the assumption that a permanent address was a requirement for voting. I challenged her on why she thought that assumption was true – why homeless people are undeserving of being part of a democracy.
I walked her back quite a ways. She didn’t realize that felons can vote in many states. She didn’t realize that voter reg forms are required to be submitted in most states, even if it’s clear they are fraudulent, and recognized that was a good thing when I explained it.
I’d like to see a study that compares which makes you stupider – watching Fox News or huffing.
Bootlegger
@Steve The Other Plumber: In Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, on the rocks, with a smoke.
Martin
AP calls VA for Obama. +5. I’m a beer behind…
Comrade Jake
Why can’t Obama close the deal?
Phil
Looks like Bachman will win but if it makes you feel better, apparently you can call your own constituents racist rednecks and still win an election – witness Murtha. Incredible.
Martin
And 60 always depended on counting Sanders and Lieberman toward the total. And it’s not clear if Lieberman can be counted on anyway. We’ll have Sanders for sure.
And FWIW, my wonderful Honda was made in Ohio and I’m damn proud of that.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Virginia is OURS!
YEAH MAN!
Comrade Jake
Phil, I’ll take the guy who can identify rednecks over the chick who IS A REDNECK any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Mmmmkay? Kay.
Comrade Stuck
@Scott H:
The coming GOP civil war will likely keep wingnuts like Phil and the rest occupied for the near term. They are a fatally split party. And if they don’t straighten out their own house and instead focus on obstructing the peoples will, they will remain politically impotent. Phil has given us the apparent wingnut strategy for regaining power. It is the strategy of focusing on your opponent’s shortcomings, while offering no ideas save those that have failed miserably, and it is doomed to failure. Tonight, America has taken a leap in it’s evolution toward the founders challenge of forming a more perfect union. The country is fiercely focused on the future and any attempts to hold that back will be met with equally fierce defeat at the polls. Phil thinks little has changed and the old GOP recipes for victory are still viable, if only they resist liberal policies a little harder with right wing ideology. He is wrong. The only route for a successful GOP resurgence is honest engagement and an honest debate with realistic conservative alternatives for the new pair-a-dine.
pikhoved
History!
J. Michael Neal
One of the projects in my Business Communications class (Lord, I loathe that class) was to prepare crisis communications for some group with a PR problem. I picked ACORN. I was disappointed, but not surprised, at how few of the students knew anything beyond the headlines on this.
AkaDad
America, Fuck yeah!
Bootlegger
Its done!
Martin
AP calls FL for Obama: +6.
-Martin +4.5
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
CNN Projects Barack Obama has won 270 EV’s and will be our next president.
Okay, maybe I should go out and get a drink. OMG!
Yes. We. Can!
Personal Designation
Believing a politician is very stupid, but tipping does raise a plethora of questions for me. How and why did this ancient practice start? and how the hell did politicians and evil republicans sell this BS to workers and pocket the difference?
The real question is why America is structured so that waiters and waitresses can sell feel-good services (“you are a generous tipper and a fine man”) to strangers, in return for money. In other words, how did waiters end up as fundraisers …? Most cross-cultural explanations of tipping start with the agency problem between diners and servers (“can you bring my drink now?”), but I believe that is the wrong approach. I view tipping as correlated with effective fundraising in other areas, and Americans as being especially willing to set this additional fundraising arena in motion.
JayGee
Primary Lurker, first time poster. YES, WE DID!!
AkaDad
I got something in my eye. Pure coincidence.
Bootlegger
@Personal Designation: Paying a little extra for good service is as Free Market as it gets. I don’t agree with figuring it in as part of the minimum wage, but I agree with the practice. Hell, I tipped the guys that moved me the last time.
Phil
By all means, lurch far to the left and overreach. Sorta like Clinton did in 92. How’d that work out for the Democrats?
It was just four years ago that media "analysts" were talking about a permanent Republican majority due to the expanding "exurbs" where population growth was largest. How’d that work out for the Republican party?
I’d love nothing more than for you to overreach. You own all your failures now and there’s no more George Bush to excuse dumb liberal policies anymore. Enjoy the victory, but a sober mind would serve you well.
Sojourner
The first time I’ve enjoyed watching Karl Rove. He really is Bush’s brain.
AkaDad
Two words. Man Date
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Granted he couldn’t keep his tallywhacker in his pants, but he handed your choice for president in 2008 a thriving economy which your guy susequently smashed to pieces.
Don’t blame Clinton for screwing the economy, that was YOUR guy.
Sojourner
And? Reality is hard. But it sure as shit beats making up your own reality and trashing the country as a result.
Thank God our long nightmare is almost over.
Phil, relax. It’s going to be hard but our evolution to banana republic status is almost over. It will get better.
Alan
@Ash Can:
Thanks for letting me know. I bet you would have like that "ash". :)
AkaDad
We’re all Socialists/Marxists/Communists/Radicals/Liberal Fascists/phony-Americans/Elitists now.
Phil
Just don’t turn America the nation into what your party has turned Michigan the state. I don’t ask for much.
Sojourner
As opposed to what your party did to our entire country?
You’re right. Not too much to ask.
Comrade Stuck
@CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII:
Thanks for correcting our historically challenged wingnut Mr. Phil. He is so predictable, it’s embarrassing.
Personal Designation
@Bootlegger
Isn’t bootlegging as free market as it gets… eh? LOL
Where I come from FREE is a four letter word. There is always hell to pay with those free political ideas and free lunches.
Comrade grumpy realist
Plus any commentators about the UAW and its effect on the Michigan economy must admit that a sizable load of the downfall of GM, Ford, and Chrysler was their total mind-boggingly stupid management and overwhelming greed. Anyone else would have realized their over-dependence on the SUV/macho truck market and kept some eco-cars in reserve, but noooo, the Big Three were too addicted to the higher profits per vehicle they were getting.
Bashing union demands, the need to keep health services and pension funds funded as Teh Reason may play to the brain-damaged peanut gallery, but whining for 20 years over "having to pay out" consistently predictable payments looks more to the intelligent like a total inability to plan and budget.