And the Loch Ness Monster Is a Liberal Plot


If you look closely at the left hand, you will see him clutching the Kenyan birth certificate of one Barack HUSSEIN Obama and the true story about Vince Foster’s death.

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It never, ever, ever ends. The front page at Red State:

Obama still faces a legal challenge to his constitutional eligibility to be president. A lawsuit, Berg v. Obama, brought by Philip J. Berg, a Philadelphia attorney, alleges Obama is not eligible to be president.

Instead of producing records proving Obama is a natural born citizen, Obama and the Democratic National Committee have filed a motion seeking a protective order to block production of documents until a motion to dismiss is the law suit is ruled on by the court. Obama and the Democratic National Committee also claim attorney Berg has no standing – has no right – to bring the lawsuit.

What is it that Obama and the Democratic National Committee are trying to hide? Why not just produce documents that prove Obama’s citizenship and make the lawsuit go away?

Red State, the self-described “leading blog for right of center online activists.”

*** Update ***

Stay classy, Republicans:

With so much at stake, and time running short, Frederick did not feel he had the luxury of subtlety. He climbed atop a folding chair to give 30 campaign volunteers who were about to go canvassing door to door their talking points — for instance, the connection between Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden: “Both have friends that bombed the Pentagon,” he said. “That is scary.” It is also not exactly true — though that distorted reference to Obama’s controversial association with William Ayers, a former 60s radical, was enough to get the volunteers stoked. “And he won’t salute the flag,” one woman added, repeating another myth about Obama. She was quickly topped by a man who called out, “We don’t even know where Senator Obama was really born.” Actually, we do; it’s Hawaii.

That would be Virginia GOP chairman Rick Frederick, thank you very much.






72 replies
  1. 1
    dms says:

    Well, quite obviously, that fake birth certificate he produced didn’t do the trick. Why doesn’t he just produce the real one?

    Oh, and wasn’t McCain, our true-blooded, real American born in Panama? Or do I have that wrong?

  2. 2

    This is not designed to win the election for McCain.

    This is intended to make the country ungovernable for Obama.

    If they can’t run it, no one gets to run it, because they’ll wreck it first.

  3. 3
    Bobzim says:

    I watched a video at American Thinker in which both Berg and the video’s producer started out "I’m not a conspiracy theorist" like conspiracy theorists would say "Why yes, I am a conspiracy theorist".

  4. 4
    Martin says:

    Obama’s lawyer should just turn over this one and admit defeat before the judge.

  5. 5
    Tim says:

    Hey, wasn’t McCain born in the Panama canal zone or some such, making him ineligible? If so, why aren’t the dems hawking this? I wish they would meet ridic with ridic. (though if mccain IS ineligible, then dammit, he’s ineligible.)

    also, anyone else have trouble with BJ locking up the screen since the redesign?

  6. 6
    Anticorium says:

    In these times of economic instability, we have a man in Philadelphia bravely trying to create jobs for kerners, press hacks, Twinkie producers, and loofah manufacturers, and all John Cole can do is laugh. An entire new line of books about Kenya Obama could rejuvenate a publishing industry that’s laying off people left and right because Mena Clinton isn’t flying off the shelves anymore, but John Cole wants to strangle this new hope even before it has left the womb. And Fox News! Just… Fox News. I don’t need to say anything more than Fox News.

    Fox News.

    Obviously you want another Great Depression, so you can blame it on Bush the way you blamed the first one on him.

  7. 7
    The Moar You Know says:

    Why not just produce documents that prove Obama’s citizenship and make the lawsuit go away?

    Lawyers always advise their clients to just start handing over papers without order or cause (rolls eyes).

    The only appropriate response to such a request is an extended middle finger combined with some statements on the requestor’s parentage.

  8. 8
    Ed Marshall says:

    Why not just produce documents that prove Obama’s citizenship and make the lawsuit go away?

    Because it’s so much fun watching you idiots blow around in the wind.

  9. 9
    Martin says:

    Hey, wasn’t McCain born in the Panama canal zone or some such, making him ineligible?

    If your parents are citizens, you are a citizen. It’s that simple. Doesn’t matter where you are born. Obama doesn’t need to prove where he was born, just that his mom was a citizen.

  10. 10
    Michael G says:

    @Tim:

    Hey, wasn’t McCain born in the Panama canal zone or some such, making him ineligible?

    I’d be perfectly willing to accept that being born on a military base in Panama was ok, but the right has been arguing throughout the Guantanamo torture debacle that military bases are not part of the U.S. proper and the U.S. constitution doesn’t apply there.

    By that logic, seems like McCain may not be a natural-born citizen after all.

  11. 11
    Kelly says:

    Clearly he is a lair.

  12. 12
    Ted says:

    I think that RedState "writer" should hand over his/her original birth certificate, and birth hospital records, to Michelle Malkin so she can verify that he/she isn’t an illegal alien. It’s equally justified. And we know she’d spot immigration fraud.

  13. 13
    gbear says:

    I think that the red-staters just deeply, truly, and honestly believe, due to their religious background, that Obama is not a legitimate candidate for president. It may be wrong but they’re not assholes.

    (Sorry, I couldn’t resist. am I banned for life?)

  14. 14
    Nylund says:

    Its actually a really funny complaint. At one point the argument goes like this (boring and unneeded legalese removed):

    "Should Obama [be shown]…to be Ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America…Democratic Americans will suffer Irreparable Harm…In turn, this too would lead to Disenfranchisement; and A severe and genuine likelihood of Civil Disturbance…"

    IE. If Obama is banned from the presidency, then there will be riots. To prevent these riots, we should ban Obama from the presidency now so that he can’t later be banned from the presidency later.

  15. 15
    cmorenc says:

    Was Honalulu, Hawaii (where Obama was born) part of the United States on Aug 4 1961? If YES (yes it was as of 1959) then according the the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, he is a natural-born citizen of the United States, hence eligible to become President under Article II, section 1.

    UNLESS the claim is that Obama was born by C-section and that is somehow not a "natural" birth as required by Article II section 1.

    Geez, they’d never ask this if the GOOPers weren’t rock-solid sure McCain was born in Virginia instead of some foreign place like say, Panama.

  16. 16
    David says:

    Hey, wasn’t McCain born in the Panama canal zone or some such, making him ineligible? If so, why aren’t the dems hawking this? I wish they would meet ridic with ridic. (though if mccain IS ineligible, then dammit, he’s ineligible.)

    First problem with that: He was born in the canal zone while the canal zone was US property. Second: he was born there because his father was stationed in Panama with the navy. Do you really want to the Dems to tell the armed forces that if they bring their families with them to long-term overseas postings and have children there, those children won’t be considered natural-born citizens?

  17. 17
    Ed Drone says:

    The Panama Canal = non-citizen is negated by (a) the citizenship of his parents, and (b) a law dating back to 1790-something that also defines "native born" to include "born to citizens even if outside the country."
    .
    Ed

  18. 18
    hermano says:

    hello, that big foot wrote obama’s books! forward this article to NRO please!

  19. 19
    Capelza Gradenko says:

    Wow…I didn’t think RedState could go any lower, but I was wrong.

    The big foot pic makes me homesick for Humboldt. :(

  20. 20
    Ted says:

    Yeah, I don’t get it. Didn’t Red State understand that Free Republic already existed? And that that niche was already filled?

  21. 21
    KRK says:

    The blog Yes to Democracy continues to do a great job tracking the more out-there PUMAs, including this lawsuit by Berg. (Berg’s complaint itself is actually kind of funny. He relies on anonymous bloggers and blog commenters as his sources for the allegations about the falsity of Obama’s birth certificate.)

    The discovery rules for federal courts are now astoundingly broad; parties can ask for any-and everything, and attempts to narrow discovery to a reasonable scope are often denied under the rules. Among other things, Berg seeks in discovery Obama’s "entire presidential file" and all documents the DNC has pertaining to Obama. Anybody with a bit of understanding about federal litigation would know that a motion to stay discovery until after the court rules on a motion to dismiss is a pretty basic move. Of course, RedState just cares about the perceptions they can create, not reality.

    Berg knows he can’t win anything (though the riled up PUMAs who believe otherwise remain a good funding source for him) so he’s just looking to be as much of a nuisance to Obama and the DNC as possible.

  22. 22
    Punchy says:

    I think the Bible says Obama was born in Kenya. I’m thus surprised Cole isn’t more accepting of this meme. Can’t be considered wacky if the Good Book implies it.

  23. 23
    jakester says:

    Malkin today is particularly inane. She has an extremely extensive lineup of "liberals" who have been arrested for pie-in-the-face and sign defacing episodes to show that the liberal media ignores leftist "insane rage" while playing up right-wing "insane rage." She also shows a bunch of anti-Palin and anti-Bush signs and designs and the like.

    She seems to miss the key point, though – it’s not like there aren’t crazies on both sides, Michelle. It’s that the crazies of the right, unlike the ones on the left, are consistently showing their craziness at officially sanctioned campaign events, fomented by crazy rhetoric by their own candidates (including John "100% negative" McCain), and that until Friday, nobody from those campaigns was saying anything to try to settle these people down. And then, when John McCain finally said he thought Obama was not a scary man, HE WAS BOOED! By his own crowd!!

    Out of control, much?

  24. 24
    SpotWeld says:

    Here’s the thing. All courts that I know of have a pretty good set of standards when it comes to accepting certain types of official documentation as evidence. As far as it goes, this whole lawsuit is resolved in whatever amount of time it takes for that hospital in Hawaii to send over another "certificate of live birth". Unless there is a new way of challenging that, this suit is pointless.

    McCain on the other hand, could (hypothetically) be excluded based on a super-technical interpretation of the "natural born citizen" requirements. But no one really thinks that he should be excluded on those grounds. It’s the sort of thing that legal scholars like to have mock trials about, but it’s nothing when looked at in practical terms.

    This is just some sort of weird irony going on here.

  25. 25
    Liberaltarian says:

    You know, this really is a repeat of Hunting of the President behavior. Personally, I think the Clintons blew it by not squelching that BS. I hope, and strongly suspect anyway, that the Obama camp is going to handle this behavior differently. Like the man has said, you have a right to your own opinion, but you don’t have a right to your own facts. The Clintons let Ken Starr and crew do a pretty good job of harrying Friends of Bill, going so far as to put Susan McDougal in prison with murders for almost two years. Now, of course, you have Republicans using Ken Starr as an example of prosecutorial harassment. We really need to straighten these issues out, in a hurry, because their colors don’t run.

  26. 26
    Punchy says:

    First problem with that: He was born in the canal zone

    Everyone’s born in a canal zone. Birth canal, bitches.

  27. 27
    kth says:

    What is it that Obama and the Democratic National Committee are trying to hide? Why not just produce documents that prove Obama’s citizenship and make the lawsuit go away?

    Because Bill Clinton showed what invariably happens when you give an inch to pigfuckers like Dan Burton or Henry Hyde or Ken Starr. They keep asking for more, making shit up as they go, and in the end you get impeached in a show trial.

  28. 28
    Michael G says:

    @Ed Drone:

    "born to citizens even if outside the country."

    But now we’re still stuck–because I have not yet seen a credible copy of McCain’s parents’ birth certificates! Being the sticklers for details that they are, I’m sure RedState will be all over this obvious lack of documentation.

    The question on everyone’s mind is "why doesn’t McCain just produce those documents?" What exactly is McCain trying to hide?

  29. 29
    KRK says:

    There have been three lawsuits this year challenging McCain’s status as a "natural born" citizen. They were all thrown out. (Well, two were dismissed and one was voluntarily withdrawn.) Those precedents are yet another hurdle Berg has to (but can’t) jump in his suit against Obama.

  30. 30
    Comrade Warren Terra says:

    Could we dump the stupid "Panama Canal Zone" nonsense so this thread can get back to pointing out what idiots the Redstaters are, rather than looking like idiots ourselves? So far as I can tell, "Natural born citizen" means citizen by right of birth – that is, born on US soil or born to a US parent. Period. McCain could have been born on the moon and would still be eligible; for that matter, the same goes for Obama. In any case, it’s a silly thing to be promoting, one that can only make us look as dumb as them.

    Martin @#4, you should have included a link to the post by Jesse Taylor, the creator of that truly excelllent parody.

  31. 31
    Suicidal Zebra says:

    If you look closely at the left hand, you will see him clutching the Kenyan birth certificate of one Barack HUSSEIN Obama and the true story about Vince Foster’s death.

    This explains Obama’s shocking anti-Powerthirst stance. These questions must be answered!

  32. 32
    Nylund says:

    Oh wait, it bets better. Apparently, the proof is that English Wikipedia and Italian Wikipedia list different hospitals for his birth in Hawaii! Strangely though, the argument then turns to him being born in Kenya. Apparently he couldn’t find any Wikipedia entries in any languages for that though. But, these claims are backed up by "further references circulating on the internet".

    Another highlight:

    "Additionally, there is rumor circulating on the Internet that his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, adopted Obama."

    Later proof is that "it has been posted all over the internet" that the birth certificate is a forgery.

    In short, "I base my entire lawsuit on the email forward I got from my friend’s brother’s aunt that says Obama is a secret arab muslim terrorist."

    But more generally it reads like, "OK, here is one baseless internet rumor. If that one is not true, here is another one. That one not true either? How bout a third internet rumor? a fourth? So what if they are all self-contradictory, surely ONE of them MUST be true! Red State told me so!"

  33. 33
    Liberaltarian says:

    Murderers dammit.

  34. 34
    Dennis - SGMM says:

    Later proof is that "it has been posted all over the internet" that the birth certificate is a forgery.

    It’s been posted more extensively that McCain is a senile, warmongering old coot and that his VP choice is an ignorant, shallow, self-seeking snowbilly. If internet postings are their guide then Redstate should vote for Obama.

  35. 35
    Nylund says:

    So basically, some crackpot says that because there are all these rumors on the internet, the DNC and Obama have to hand over to him insane amounts of paperwork, including the entire DNC vetting file and preposterous things like Obama’s old applications for financial aid from college.

    And Malkin thinks the campaign is being shady by not handing over every single Obama file to some nutcase.

    Hey Michelle, I once heard an internet rumor about you and ping pong balls, can you give me every tax return, mortgage application, employment file, and third grade report card now!?

  36. 36
    Tsulagi says:

    The front page at Red State

    Damn, before I clicked on the link I was betting that RS post would be by Erick. He’s been a one-man wrecking crew for stupid there the past month or so. Lately he’s just been alternating his Ayers posts with ACORNs, so I thought maybe he was expanding.

    So they’re revisiting an oldie, huh?

    Ahh, I see the brilliant strategery. They’re planning to bring all the strings together. They know Obama is in Ayers’ dominion, he even ghostwrites Obama’s books. Now once again the cloud over Obama’s birth records that he and the evildoer MSM conspire to keep secret. What are they hiding?

    I await a breathless post from Erick complete with little flashing siren. His brain has connected the dots, and has now completed the wingnut math and sandbox analysis to verify: Bill Ayers is Obama’s real daddy!

  37. 37
    El Cid says:

    Yeah, I think the Republicans and assorted right wingers are about to be getting a BIG surprise if they’re thinking they’re gonna do some sort of Clinton era / militia ‘making the country ungovernable’: they’re going to get their a**es kicked and they are about to be GOVERNED.

    I don’t think the rest of the country is going to put up with their bullsh*t ‘sabotage’.

    I kind of want to see ’em try it, except I know the probability is high that this will lead to unhinged right wingers trying to kill liberals.

    But still, if that’s what they’re thinking, I think they’re about to get a MAJOR schooling.

  38. 38
    Dennis - SGMM says:

    She has an extremely extensive lineup of "liberals" who have been arrested for pie-in-the-face and sign defacing episodes to show that the liberal media ignores leftist "insane rage" while playing up right-wing "insane rage."

    Michelle has always been cognitively challenged. In this case she doesn’t seem to understand the difference between a pie in the face and bullet in the face.

  39. 39
    Nylund says:

    I think the basic idea of Obama’s reaction is that the guy never said how Obama running for president actually caused harm in his life and he states no way in which this unnamed harm can be compensated for. He states no damages he is entitled for because he can’t, therefore he was never harmed (other than people like him are mad mad mad that Obama won the primaries). Therefore, there is no way in hell Obama and the DNC are going to willy-nilly hand over every document on Obama to a crackpot who believes every bad internet rumor that he reads.

  40. 40
    Comrade Nixon Hailfire Palin says:

    Is it just a coincidence that the BJ Black Screen of Death appears whenever someone posts the truth about B. Hussein Obama? I think not!!

  41. 41
    Comrade Nikolita says:

    What is it that Obama and the Democratic National Committee are trying to hide? Why not just produce documents that prove Obama’s citizenship and make the lawsuit go away?

    Because Obama and the DNC have done that repeatedly and you rightwing nutjobs still don’t believe him or the documents that’ve been shown.

  42. 42
    Liberaltarian says:

    Heh. DemFromCt on DKos:

    We’ve come a long way from Bill Buckley and Wick Allison. We’re obsessed with pushing losing strategies. Just scroll down and pick your favorite.

  43. 43
    libarbarian says:

    If this turns out to be true then it still rebounds to Obama’s credit as one of the most amazing feats of political fraud in this country’s history. I mean, fooling all these people for so long would be fucking impressive.

  44. 44

    Next they will demand film footage of Obama’s birth.

    Then, his conception. Then they’ll want to see a few random people going at it, just to make sure the other footage is, you know, credible.

    Fap, fap, fap.

  45. 45
    libarbarian says:

    1.

    She has an extremely extensive lineup of "liberals" who have been arrested for pie-in-the-face and sign defacing episodes to show that the liberal media ignores leftist "insane rage" while playing up right-wing "insane rage."

    Having your hypocricy exposed hurts doesn’t it.

    The silence from the left over these horrible acts of dessert-terrorism is deafening.

    Sure, some "rightwing radical" goes on a shooting spree in a Unitarian "church" and its "news" but when some leftwing islamo-communo-eco-terrorist throws a pie at Ann Coulter, you won’t hear about it on the MSM anywhere. Did you know that Ann Coulter has been forced to wear a pie-proof vest at all times due to the ever-present threat of having her clothes coverd in whip cream and banana pudding? Do you even care?

    And it’s not just desserts. You guys aren’t even above metaphorically "letter-bombing" – writing lots of hostile letters to – innocent radio shows simply for airing an opposing point of view . Furthermore you branch out into cyber-terrorism by flooding the station with calls – launching what was effectively a DNS attack against their phone banks. Annoying businessmen because you are upset with the quality of their product or their business practices? Just because you don’t agree with him you think he should be shut down. What’s next? Are you going to protest and boycott an innocent corporation because a spokesperson innocently wears some piece of clothing you find offensive – like an American flag on their shirt or some kind of distinctly American headress? What’s next? Kristallnacht for Conservative businesses?

    I shouldn’t be surprised at this, though. It’s always been in the DNA of the left, from the days of Stalin and the NKVD all the way through to the gangs of PC thugs who forced powerless bank executives to loan money to poor minority deadbeats by threatening to call them ‘racists’ if they didn’t. Calling people "racists" is like the ultimate nuclear bomb of leftwing political terrorism1. Even corporate bank executives are powerless to stand up in the face of such ruthless barbarism, much less simple journalists or radio hosts or regular people, hockey-moms and Nascar-dads all across this country, who are just trying to get by.
    Michael Barone is being too optimistic. Not only will public intellectuals like Rush, Hannity, and Malkin, be banished to the Caribbean, but those people (Christians, Conservatives, Whites) who can’t flee will be put into reeducation camps and brainwashed by being forced to draw pictures of people of all colors holding hands in front of rainbows. Gangs of dirty hippes will roam the streets and force our daughters to smoke pot and have unprotected interracial sex with members of the Nation of Islam before aborting their children. The white house will be painted Gold and renamed the Bling-Crib and the South Lawn will be the new location for 24 hour Soultrain – which will be the only thing on the newly socialized OBC (Obama Broadcast Corporationizzle).

    I fear that the only thing that can save this country now is if a bunch of committed American Conservatives, in their thirties and forties, take to the mountains to drink deer-blood and launch guerrilla attacks on the forces of Obama .. and perhaps name themselves after a small ferocious animal .. like a badger or something.
    Even more threatening than a nuclear bomb attacked to a drill which will drill into the center of the earth and then make all of the earth’s volcanos erupt at the same time [back]

  46. 46
    Steve says:

    This is a summary judgment of a suit brought by a Hillary supporter and now getting airplay from the Right as an attempt to raise questions about his candidacy and distract viewers from what has been their biggest concern.

    Simply put, there are no wheels on this wagon.

    I’ve posted a summary of this subject on my blog here.

  47. 47
    stickler says:

    Punchy:

    Everyone’s born in a canal zone. Birth canal, bitches.

    Julius CAESAR, among other members of the seditious Caesarean Section, would beg to differ with you on that point.

    RedState is utterly fascinating. They just keep getting more and more deluded with every passing day. You think there’s no way they could get any more inane, and then they turn it up to 11. Erick Erickson must not grasp the idea that whatever you write on the INtertroNs survives indefinitely. Either that, or he has no fear that his mendacious crap will come back to haunt him.

  48. 48
    Nemoudeis says:

    What the hell does it matter WHERE Barack Obama was born, so long as the person who gave birth to him was a US citizen?

    According to this official US State Department website, anyone born abroad to a US citizen prior to 1986 is considered a US citizen by birth, provided the parent in question spent at least ten years in the US at some point prior to parenting the child.

    Is there any evidence at all that Barack’s mother spent a decade outside of the US back in the fifties? Or are these people actually trying to go down the path of claiming that some mysterious Third World woman actually gave birth to Obama instaed of Ann Dunham?

    Or did they just not bother to actually research the law on the subject before they went all tearing their clothes off and running naked down Crazy Street with their hands all waving spastically in the air?

  49. 49
    Royston Vasey says:

    @libarbarian:
    Dude, It’s Dirty FUCKING Hippy, OK (or DFH fer short)

  50. 50
    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Nemoudeis:

    Saw your thoughtful comment over at your site.

    I guess the argument is that the US Code currently provides (8 USC Sec. 1401 (g)) that you’re a citizen at birth if born outside the US or its territories if your citizen parent resided in the US or a territory for at least five years, two of which were after the age of 14.

    However, prior to 1986, the requirement was that the citizen parent have resided in the US or a territory at least 10 years, five of which were after the age of 14. Meaning Obama’s mother, having given birth to him at age 18, could not have met that requirement if she had given birth to him in Kenya etc.

    It’s all crap, of course.

    PS, I think the birth announcement is pretty dispositive. According to the PUMA who went and looked it up, the info went straight from the dept of vital records to the newspaper.

  51. 51

    The Moar You Know writes:

    Lawyers always advise their clients to just start handing over papers without order or cause (rolls eyes).

    Actually, sometimes they do. In this case, if BHO didn’t have anything to hide and his lawyers were sure doing it wouldn’t lead to places he doesn’t want to go, they would probably suggest that he just turns over the documents and gets it over with. The American public has a right to know things like this, but I guess things like that only apply to your opponents.

    Here’s the very accessible video in question.

    As for the update, there are several problems with the excerpt above:

    1. The Weathermen ("WM") did indeed bomb the Pentagon ("P"). The only thing Tumulty can hang her hat on is whether Ayers himself was directly involved; as he was a WM leader, that’s a very fine point.

    2. We can probably assume that OBL was behind the plane crashing into the P.

    3. Therefore, the only thing "not entirely true" about that Frederick contention is a) the extent to which Ayers was personally involved in the P bombing, and b) the extent to which flying a jet into a building qualifies as a "bombing".

    4. Tumulty then makes a magical leap, referring to "another myth" as if what she’d just discussed was a myth.

    5. Frederick was not the person who said the bit about the flag, nor was he the person who said the other bit.

  52. 52
    Napoleon says:

    This is intended to make the country ungovernable for Obama.

    If they can’t run it, no one gets to run it, because they’ll wreck it first.

    Bingo. In my opinion only someone really stupid couldn’t see this with the whole impeachment thing when I realized that the Republican party is as anti-American as the anarchist were at the end of the 19th, early 20th century, and could care less what happens to this country and only care about their own little group.

  53. 53
    gocart mozart says:

    Is that the same Rick Frederick as the one who likes to molest young boys? Why has the Virginia GOP hired a child molester to run their state campaign?

    attention GOP lawyers, that was sarcasm.

  54. 54
    nabalzbbfr says:

    It is a fact that Barack Hussein Obama derives Kenyan citizenship from his father. It seems to be also the case, according to his school records, that he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, and thus also derives Indonesian citizenship. There is a good case to be made that dual citizenship is incompatible with the "natural born citizenship" requirement for Presidency of the US Constitution. Even (hypothetically) if it was not a disqualification, the American electorate deserves to know that there is a conflict of loyalty.

  55. 55
    ThymeZone says:

    the American electorate deserves to know that there is a conflict of loyalty.

    Long ago debunked. Can we please get better trolls than this stupid motherfucker?

    If there were a "good case to be made," then why hasn’t anyone made it? Because there isn’t, that’s why.

    Summary of the eRumor:
    There are a couple of eRumors about this.
    One says Obama was born in Hawaii before it became a part of the United States and is, therefore, not a U.S. citizen by birth, which is a requirement for being president.
    The other says that U.S. law stipulates that if only one parent was a citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten year, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. The eRumor says that Obama’s mother was only 18 when he was born, which was only 2 years after the age of 18. One version claims to be from economist Thomas Sowell.
    The Truth:
    All of these claims are intentional hoaxes, including the version that claims to be from Thomas Sowell. Somebody simply tacked his name onto the eRumor.
    First, Hawaii became a part of the United States in 1959. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 so his birth was in the United States, not just a U.S. territory. Obama has posted his birth certificate on his web site. CLICK HERE for that page. Even if he had been born in Hawaii when it was a U.S. territory, he would still be regarded as a citizen. According to The Immigration and Nationality Act, Title III, SEC. 305. [8 U.S.C. 1405], "A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth." Republican candidate John McCain was born in Panama and is considered to be a U.S. citizen under the same act. McCain was born on a U.S. military base and both of his parents were U.S. citizens.
    Since Obama was born in Hawaii, the issue of the citizenship of his mother is not relevant, but the law cited in the eRumor about having just one parent with U.S. citizenship applied to persons born outside of the United States (or specified U.S. territories). Between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, the law specified that if you were born outside of the United States and only one of your parents was a citizen, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least 5 of which were after the age of 16. That would have applied to Obama only if he had not been born in the United States or a specified U.S. territory.
    In July, 2008, an eRumor started circulating that questioned whether the birth certificate on Obama’s campaign website was authentic and whether he was actually born in Hawaii. There has not been any substantiation that Obama might have been born somewhere other than in Hawaii.
    The qualifications for president are set in Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

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    Anticorium says:

    The thing that drives nabalzbbfr nuts is that the American electorate already knows about these claims, and by and large thinks they’re patent bullshit.

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    MikeL says:

    The last restate comment had a link to a lawyer’s blog where he eviscerates the whole thing, worth reading if you missed it.

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    Quaker in a Basement says:

    Red State, the self-described “leading blog for right of center online activists.”

    Correct! Actually, a little farther right. A little more. Just a wee bit more. Keep going. Almost there…

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    Jay C says:

    I thought Berg v. Obama’s [bullshit] claim against Barack’s eligibility to be President was "based", not on his birth certificate, but the "fact" [sic] that he supposedly "forfeited" his US citizenship (or had it "forfeited" for him) when he moved to Indonesia as a kid. And that he hadn’t (AFA anyone knows) ever properly filled out Form X99-A(05) or whatever to apply for it back. Hence, he’s "ineligible".

    A total crock, of course: but at least it sounds "reasonable" to the wingnuts. But then, to the RedState crowd, claims that Barack Obama was "actually" born to a three-headed alien on Mars in 1844 would probably be considered "reasonable doubts" . And worth investigating.

    Oh and nabalzbbfr: Kenya and Indonesia, like many countries in the world, DO acknowledge the concept of "dual citizenship" – with, in many cases, a pretty lax interpretation of who qualifies. The US, however, does NOT: holding to a strict either/or policy as to who is an "American citizen", and who isn’t: and (if for no other reason) since the DoS has issued him a proper passport (for all those foreign trips, remember?) , I think that settles the issue.

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    The Populist says:

    Hey righties,

    Get this through your heads…

    Barack H. Obama was born in HAWAII to an American Citizen. Therefore HE is an American citizen. Since when did the constitution say that a child born of an American Citizen in other countries disqualifies them from being citizens?

    Argh…idiots.

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    The Populist says:

    Didn’t these asswipes want to change the constitution for Arnold Schwarzenegger when they had their honeymoon with him?

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    OriGuy says:

    To change the subject, this is from the end of that Time article:

    "I’m voting for McCain," the father told us. But his 19-year-old son, a college student home for the weekend, told us he plans to send in his absentee ballot for Obama. His reason? "Palin’s a retard," he said. As for the lady of the house? McCain, the man said. "She has to live here. The kids I can kick out."

    "She’ll vote the way I tell her to."

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    jcricket says:

    You think there’s no way they could get any more inane, and then they turn it up to 11

    Oh, they past 11 a loooooong time ago. They’re to infinity and beyond in wingnuttia at this point. But it’s fine. They caricature the left as some kind of fringe-circle-jerk, but it totally describes the right wing wankosphere.

    Except for the few that have escaped (sully, our host here), they have been driven farther off the deep end by BDS. Yes, BDS, Bush Derangement Syndrome is real. But it only applies to conservatives. The disease manifests itself in an ever intensifying loyalty to your party, despite complete failures of your policies, and an inability to think rationally.

    Again, as I’ve said 1000000000 times. FUCKING fine by me. Let them go bat-shit insane. Look at what happened when McCain nominated one of the wingnuts (Palin).

    Public starts with, "ooh, shiny". And then within a month they’re like "ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?" Her favorables went down faster than Wolf Blizter on Drudge. And her unfavorables shot up faster than, well, I dunno – something fast.

    I look forward to more wingnuts for public/national office.

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    Jen R says:

    "OK, here is one baseless internet rumor. If that one is not true, here is another one. That one not true either? How bout a third internet rumor? a fourth? So what if they are all self-contradictory, surely ONE of them MUST be true!

    Hey, why not, it worked to get us into the Iraq War.

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    PhoenixRising says:

    Between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, the law specified that if you were born outside of the United States and only one of your parents was a citizen, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least 5 of which were after the age of 16.

    If this citation is correct, the law was that no child born to a US citizen who was under the age of 21 at the time of the child’s birth could derive US citizenship from that parent.

    Either the intent was to make Daddy’s Little Indiscretion (whether from Princeton’s study-abroad program or the USMC’s popular ‘See Okinawa’ program) not a citizen, or that was sloppily drafted.

    Regardless, the fact that Kenya and Indonesia have another approach to citizenship doesn’t change ours, which is that babies born in the US are citizens.

    Why don’t they just say what they’re thinking, which is, Damn Democrats nominated an anchor baby! From Kansas! and Hawaii!!

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    oh really says:

    Red State, the self-described “leading blog for right of center online activists.”

    The simple fact is that if you’re looking for "fact-based" reporting today, you’re much better off with the National Enquirer than you are with Erick, Moe, Mark, Pejman, and the rest of the idiots at RedState.

    They make it up as they go along, but they aren’t smart enough to be creative. So, they just crank out the same old hateful nonsense week after week.

    I rarely stop by the RedState website anymore, because the content is so predictable it isn’t even interesting — just stupid and dishonest. To be fair, for many of them, it is possible that they are so stupid truth doesn’t enter into the equation.

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    MikeL/57: whoever the lawyer is at that link you posted:
    1. His post is from August, before the facts of Berg’s case have become clear.
    2. He spends most of the first part complaining about irrelevant minor matters, like proofreading.
    3. He spends the last one or two paragraphs playing a tuquoque argument.
    4. Nothing in there discusses the meat of the Berg case, as he specifies on the video.

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @PhoenixRising:

    Actually, it was five years after the age of 14, not 16 (see my comment at 5:57), but your point is still a good one.

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    As to the "dual citizenship" bull pucky, first there is zero evidence whatsoever that Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, including his school recrods; in fact all documentation up to the present day shows his natural father as his parent. They’re just pulling this out of their uh, hats.

    Second, he does not have Kenyan citizenship by virtue of having a Kenyan father, which the nutters would know if they’d bothered to look up the law.

    Fact Check

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Was Honalulu, Hawaii (where Obama was born) part of the United States on Aug 4 1961? If YES (yes it was as of 1959) then according the the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, he is a natural-born citizen of the United States, hence eligible to become President under Article II, section 1.

    As other people have covered, you’ve missed the full scope of the wingnuttery on display. The two camps are either that Obama was born in Kenya and then somehow smuggled into the US with a forged birth certificate and forged birth notice in a Honolulu newspaper; or that his stepfather is his real father, he was born in Indonesia, then smuggled to Kenya, and then smuggled into Hawaii with the forged birth certificate and forged birth notice.

    It’s actually pretty funny, like listening to a LaRouchie explain how Queen Elizabeth II is the head of an international drug ring.

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