Stop The Insanity

We have known for a while that many on the far right are unmoored, floating around in a fantasy land of their own creation, but who knew they would not even get their fantasy land correct? In the latest attempt to defend Palin’s utter inability to name any Supreme Court cases other than Roe with which she disagreed, Malkin posts this comment from one of her readers about how Palin should have responded:

Palin: Now, let me ask you a question, Katie. You interviewed Senator Biden recently. So when you asked him this same question, would you care to share with me his answer?

Couric: Well, I didn’t ask him that question.

Palin: You didn’t? Why not? He’s a VP nominee. I’m a VP nominee. Don’t you want to know what Supreme Court decisions he disagrees with? Why are you only interested in my perspective on this?

Couric: …………. (Katie) Crickets chirping…..

That sure would have showed Katie! Take that evil liberal Soros led commie media!

Except, of course, as Malkin later notes, Couric did ask Biden that question. He answered it in full sentences, too, the sexist bastard.

Even in their fantasies to take down the evil liberal media, they still manage to make Palin look stupid. But it was fun for five minutes, right guys? And let me just close with this- if Katie Couric is making you look dumb, the gig is up.

106 replies
  1. 1
    comrade chopper says:

    jesus, that malkin is an idiot.

  2. 2
    dmsilev says:

    Katie Couric deserves a journalistic award of some sort for that interview series. The amount of grade-A comedy derived from them is just amazing.

    -dms

  3. 3
    Snail says:

    It’s true that Palin can’t name a SCOTUS decision beyond Roe v. Wade, but here’s some lists of things she can name:

    http://www.thingspalincanname.com/

  4. 4
    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII says:

    Clown Shoes? LMFAO!

  5. 5
    D. Mason says:

    Also, why didn’t Couric ask Biden about his foreign policy experience related to his view of Russia!?!?!? OH WAIT! She can’t because he DOESN’T HAVE A VIEW OF RUSSIA. Check and Mate Bitches.

  6. 6
    JL says:

    Katie Couric asked Sarah Palin what magazines and newspapers that she read, helped shape her world view. Now if that is not a softball question, I’m not sure what is. Of course we all know that Sarah could not name one.

  7. 7
    Comrade The Moar You Know says:

    I truly love that interview with Katie. It’s the first time I’ve seen Ms. Couric visibly get pissed off at an interviewee.

  8. 8
    Bootlegger says:

    Even if Couric didn’t ask Biden, so what? Everyone knows he can answer that question. What people are curious about is whether or not Ms. Palin can answer that question. We now have the answer.

    The best part is that earlier this year after the Exxon v. Davis decision came out Ms. Palin released a statement disagreeing with that decision. She couldn’t even recall a decision she supposedly opposed this year!

  9. 9
    jake says:

    And then, like, Palin should’ve jumped up and been all like, Hiiyaaaa! and then Katie would’ve been like "Oh no, don’t pull my liberal hair!" and then they could’ve like started tearing off their clothes and rolling around in a big vat of Twinkie filling, Mountain Dew and Cheeto crumbs that just happened to be right there… and … and … What are we talking about?

  10. 10
    JL says:

    Snail, No way would Sarah be able to name state capitals.

  11. 11
    Bootlegger says:

    I agree with Comrade Moar, Couric seemed a little pissed that this woman could be so fucking stupid but also promoted to her current position. It has to be an insult to professional women everywhere. And talk about insulting Hilary!

  12. 12
    D. Mason says:

    <Blockquote> Now if that is not a softball question, I’m not sure what is. </Blockquote>

    After the job she did with the rest of the interview I’m not willing to call it a softball, more likely a lead in to a real question that had to be aborted.

  13. 13
    JK says:

    if Katie Couric is making you look dumb, the gig is up.

    Bingo!

  14. 14
    TheFountainHead says:

    Wow. Malkin fails harder than blockquotes on a WP site.

  15. 15
    Scott H says:

    Malkin is an attention starved fringe dweller who deeply resents the ‘reality’ of merit. Why you have taken to linking to her primal feces flinging escapes me.

  16. 16

    Yay, looks like the hard returns are gone. But at roughly comment 120 the bottom of the page turns black, dark as night black, it makes me feel lonely.

  17. 17
    John Cole says:

    Wow. Malkin fails harder than blockquotes on a WP site.

    I hate you.

  18. 18
    MattF says:

    Fantasy is so satisfying, especially when bad-reality things happen. And remember boys and girls, every time someone says "I don’t believe in fairies… "

  19. 19
    cleek says:

    In the Wingnut Fantasy Mountains
    There’s a land that’s free and right
    Where the handguns grow on bushes
    And you can shoot libruls on sight
    Where O’Reilly, Rush and Hannity
    Are the only voices you hear
    Oh, I’m bound to go where there ain’t no Roe
    Where the Earth don’t warm and we own all the oil
    In the Wingnut Fantasy Mountains.

  20. 20
    bootlegger says:

    Even more painful was listening to the Rightwing Noise Machine call those questions "gotcha" questions, as if journalists had no business asking anyone a question they can’t answer. Aren’t they suppose to ask gotcha question?

  21. 21
    linda says:

    and look at how malkin bitchily refers to biden’s response:

    Update: Thanks to commenter DougT — Couric did ask Biden the SCOTUS case question. He named…a decision that overturned one of his pet pieces of legislation, the Violence Against Women Act.

  22. 22
    zzyzx says:

    Just because I’m curious.

    blah

    Is this really an issue?

  23. 23
    ninerdave says:

    Clown Shoes? Excellent category name.

  24. 24
    cleek says:

    what would be really cool is if there was a link to the current post at the top of the page. that way, i don’t have to press F5 (which could cause a comment resubmit) to see if there are any new comments.

  25. 25
    SGEW says:

    I know we all laugh at Malkin, and disparage her obvious vacuity with great pleasure and snark . . . but we have to remember that she is a nationally read columnist and best-seller. So is Jonah Goldberg. They have more column space than George Will and Andrew Sullivan and every other thinking conservative put together.

    Makes you want to tear your hair out, right?

    And yet they are smarter and more qualified to be the Vice President than Sarah Palin.

    . . . .

    I’m trying not to think about that too much.

  26. 26
    Brian J says:

    Maybe Couric is actually far more of a presence on the news that people give her credit for. All she did was ask a series of simple questions and then prodded a little more when she didn’t get an answer that made sense. Memo to everyone else in the media: it’s really that simple.

    I haven’t seen any main posts on this, but I’m curious about the reaction that people have to the wingnut blogs freaking out over Gwin Ifil moderating tonight’s debate. Olbermann said it best last night, something to the effect of: "Her book was announced in late July. Ifil was agreed upon as a moderator in early August, a few weeks before Palin was picked. Now, 48 hours before the debate, they are screaming that she’s biased, and the only reason they learned of this was Greta Van Sustern’s e-mail telling them about it. If this is true, they are MORONS!"

  27. 27
    Joe Beese says:

    [Malkin: I would have loved it if Palin had been able to reel off Plessy or Kelo or Grutter or Bakke. I’m concerned that she blanked, but not ready to jump off a cliff.]

    Please let us know when you’re ready. We’d like to video tape it so we can cherish the memory.

  28. 28
    Jeff says:

    Come on it was a softball question for Biden because he had legislation that was directly affected by the Supreme Court. Palin never dealt with a case that affected Alaska…

    Oh wait…

    "I am extremely disappointed with today’s decision by the U.S. Supreme Court," Palin said. "While the decision brings some degree of closure to Alaskans suffering from 19 years of litigation and delay, the court gutted the jury’s decision on punitive damages."
    Palin added, "It is tragic that so many Alaska fishermen and their families have had their lives put on hold waiting for this decision. My heart goes out to those affected, especially the families of the thousands of Alaskans who passed away while waiting for justice."
    Palin said the decision today undercut one of the principal legs of deterrence for those engaged in maritime shipping in Alaska waters. She called on state and federal agencies to be vigilant and firm in regulating such activities.

  29. 29
    Halteclere says:

    The problem with the GOP running a continuous anti-intellectual platform, even if in the beginning it was only a way for intellectuals to manipulate simpleton masses, is that eventually the original intellectuals will pass on and only a few new intellectuals would be willing to join the party.

    Kind of like the religious group that decided that all sexual intercourse was bad, and whose last member finally passed away (from a news blurb 25 years ago or so).

    So now the GOP is reaping what they sowed, which is a party chocked full of shallow thinkers, supported by shallow thinkers.

  30. 30
    ppcli says:

    Even if Couric hadn’t asked Biden that question, she wouldn’t have needed to. Biden is on (IIRC he heads) the Senate Judiciary committee. For years I’ve seen him on TV discussing Supreme Court cases at length with judicial nominees. All those tapes are available for anyone to watch at any time. And furthermore, Biden is making the rounds of all the news shows to talk about things if anyone wants him to clarify anything he said in any of those hearings.
    .
    We want these questions asked of Palin because there is a plausible sequence of events that could lead to her *becoming president* despite the fact that all we know about her comes from a) a sneering, nasty, lie-laden speech that someone else had written mostly before she was the nominee b) interviews with two relatively gentle journalists – McCain beside her for part of one c) A series of infomercials with Hanetty types. c) A ninety minute debate with a format structured to prevent any issue being addressed in depth, perfect for the pre-scripted zingers she’ll no doubt be armed with. Even if she hadn’t looked like a simpleton during these interviews it would be preposterous for anyone to ask for us to vote for her on this basis.

  31. 31
    D. Mason says:

    <Blockquote>Yay, looks like the hard returns are gone. But at roughly comment 120 the bottom of the page turns black, dark as night black, it makes me feel lonely.
    </Blockquote>

    Makes me feel like something naughty, something I want to see, is going on under that black box.

  32. 32
    Grumpy Code Monkey says:

    The conspiracy theorist in me wants to believe that Palin was instructed not to give direct answers for such questions, lest she name a source that’s considered untrustworthy by the base (such as the NYT or something like that) and cause a dip in the polls.

    But then, it’s such a silly question (relative to what you would normally be asking a candidate for national office, because after all, we usually assume that these people are somewhat informed) that I can’t imagine anyone would be on guard against it. So that leaves us with a woman who can’t or won’t answer a direct (and relatively innocuous) question.

    There is not enough whiskey in the world to get me through tonight’s debate. My wife wants to watch it; I may spend that time cleaning up the kitchen or something.

  33. 33
    rec says:

    And it keeps getting better.

    At the bottom of the post, after the half assed update (apparently Biden didn’t disagree with the correct SCOTUS decision) she adds this bit:

    And here’s how Joe “Mr. Judiciary Committee” Biden botched the Roe question.

    She links to a Ramesh Ponnuru post that was totally debunked by Publius and Ed Kilgore.

    These guys can’t get it right even by accident

  34. 34
    Zuzu Hussein's Petals says:

    Katie better be careful what kind of scarf she wears, and God help Ifill if she wears anything paisely/terrorist-themed.

    I’m surprised that Malkin has not yet pointed out that Obama had granite countertops in one of his tour buses:

    Ifill on the Obamas

    For some examples of high-concept posting by the Malkinites, etc., check out the comments in this and other Essence articles on Obama – sick.

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  36. 36
    cyntax says:

    O/T but check out McCain’s latest "strategic" move [via Politico] :

    John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

  37. 37
    jake says:

    Makes me feel like something naughty, something I want to see, is going on under that black box.

    I’m not sure I’d want to see anything that requires a porno bar THAT big.

    Also: Hooray! A Clown Shoes tag.

  38. 38
    Brian J says:

    God help Ifill if she wears anything paisely/terrorist-themed.

    You almost have to hope they start going after Ifil. As Ezra Klein said last night, she’s enormously respected in journalism circles, so (a) it’s not as if her standing is going to drop because of a few lame, idiotic attacks from the wingnuts and their allies in the media and (b) people in the media would probably rally to Ifil’s defense and use a less reserved approach when dealing with the garbage from McCain’s camp.

  39. 39
    Rick Taylor says:

    We have known for a while that many on the far right are unmoored, floating around in a fantasy land of their own creation, but who knew they would not even get their fantasy land correct?

    I’ve been cynical about the right wing for a while, but their willingness to defend Palin managed to still shock me. And now McCain is whining about the awful mean questions Palin’s been getting. What books and magazines have you read. Yup, gotcha journalism at its finest.

  40. 40
    TheFountainHead says:

    John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

    Maybe they should have thought of that before they ran around fucking everything up so thoroughly?

    Edit: Look! Look, John, I’m not an idiot! I can do blockquotes just fine when the WP Gods are kind!

  41. 41
    Stuck in the Fun House says:

    testing I want to edit

    cool!

  42. 42
    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII says:

    Is paisley terroristic? Wow, my now deceased Limbaugh-loving, Republican mother wore paisley. I bet she’d be appalled. ;)

  43. 43
    Zuzu Hussein's Petals says:

    To rec @ 33:

    Thanks for the link to the Kilgore piece. He is right on. Especially on Palin
    s take on privacy, which I tried to address much less skillfully in an earlier thread:

    And he doesn’t address Palin’s weird and immediate descent into Federalist arguments about how to apply that "inherent right to privacy," which suggests an unfamiliarity with the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment that prohibits state abrogation of constitutionally guaranteed rights.

    (Crossing fingers on blockquote thing.)

  44. 44
    Comrade The Moar You Know says:

    John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

    Still a bit early for the wheels to be coming off the Straight Talk Express, isn’t it?

  45. 45
    cleek says:

    John McCain is pulling out of Michigan

    pull out? doesn’t sound manly to me.

    a real man would stay in there till the job’s done.

  46. 46
    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII says:

    So, admit it John, you went with blue because it’s a Democratic color, right?

  47. 47
    Brian J says:

    John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

    If this is indeed accurate, and not like Obama stopping advertising but keeping his offices open in Georgia but worse, then this is a pretty great fucking sign. I always figured that the chances of any Kerry states flipping over were low, but if it had to be any, I thought it would be either Michigan or New Hampshire with Pennsylvania a distant third. If he’s done with Michigan entirely, it means that we’re likely up not by two or three points, but by five or more points. And as I mentioned earlier today, Chuck Todd stated in the last day or two, McCain is in Missouri later this week. That state should be in the bag at this point. Combine this with the money they now need to spend in Indiana and North Carolina and the worries they are having about Florida and it looks like it’s the beginning of the end for McCain [knock on wood].

  48. 48
    Zuzu Hussein's Petals says:

    Circvs @41:

    Your mama and Rachel Ray, it seems:

    Rachael Ray ad pulled as pundit sees terror link

  49. 49
    Zuzu Hussein's Petals says:

    Oooh, there’s an edit function !

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    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII says:

    pull out? doesn’t sound manly to me.

    a real man would stay in there till the job’s done.

    cite>

    He realized he was about to spooge and make a mess?

  51. 51
    4tehlulz says:

    if Katie Couric is making you look dumb, the gig is up.

    This. Really, that’s all you need to know about Sarah Palin; getting schooled by Katie should be an automatic disqualifier for Pres or VP.

    Also, that big black box is just WP getting emo. /wrists

  52. 52
    cmorenc says:

    The only way Biden "loses" this debate tonight is if he takes the bait to try to help out proving Palin’s shallow understanding and incompetence, instead of simply focusing on low-key demonstration of his own deep understanding and competence. He needs to recognize that the best Palin can accomplish tonight is to avoid looking nearly so breathtakingly stupid as she seemed to be in the Couric and Gibson interviews. Which is not, however the same at all as dispelling the notion that’s firmly setting in with swing voters (and even many Republicans) that’s she’s simply hopelessly out of her depth at the Vice-Presidential level of the game. She may regain some likeability and even a bit of dignity tonight, but that doesn’t mean that voters will be reassured that they should let this woman be one heartbeat away from becoming President should anything happen to John McCain (and did we mention that he’s 72 years old?)

    In short, Biden must at all costs avoid falling into Al Gore’s mistake of getting impatient (and especially showing it) with Palin’s obvious shallow, superficial answers and grasp of things. He merely needs to reassure voters that if anything happened to Obama, the country would be in ok hands if the Presidency were passed to him, and he wins, even if the debate is nominally a "tie" in that Sarah Palin doesn’t implode on any self-created land mines.

  53. 53
    cleek says:

    doesn’t McCain realize that by leaving Michigan, he’s just emboldening Obama ?

    i’m beginning to doubt his commitment to winning.

  54. 54
    Bob UK says:

    Its the simple stupidity of it all.
    Supposed professionals, journalists, politicians who make Idiocracy look intelligent.

    Its mind-numbing in its levels of Fail.

    Its gone beyond a ‘gaffe’ beyond turning a blind eye for your ideals, its simply a long list of the most stupid things I have EVER heard. EVER.

    I just cant get over it.

  55. 55
    jrg says:

    Win for Meechelle! Teh Google is in leege with teh liburl mediuh! /snark

    Good catch, John, but not even Malkin can top the idiocy that is the NRO.

  56. 56
    cyntax says:

    pull out? doesn’t sound manly to me.

    I assume it’s some sort of abstinence-related strategy.

    Or John’s having a problem that Bob Dole could advise him about…

  57. 57
    John PM says:

    OK, my first post on the new site. Here goes.

    How great was Biden’s answer that his least favorite Supreme Court decision was the opinion striking down the Violence Against Women Act, a bill that he drafted and spent thousands of hours researching? I myself think that the Supreme Court was correct in striking down the act since the link to interstate commerce was extremely tenuous, but htis was a great way to remind people that Democrats are in favor of protecting the rights of women and minorities.

  58. 58
    Punchy says:

    Is it a stretch to say that Couric played an enormous role in walking this country back from the McPalin abyss? I mean, her interview alone has single-handedly destroyed Palin’s street cred.

  59. 59
    Annette says:

    And yet they are smarter and more qualified to be the Vice President than Sarah Palin

    At this point, anyone who manages to get out of bed in the morning without killing themselves in the process is just as qualified to be VP (on the Republican ticket).

  60. 60
    Brian J says:

    This. Really, that’s all you need to know about Sarah Palin; getting schooled by Katie should be an automatic disqualifier for Pres or VP.

    I don’t have any particular fondness for Katie Couric, but let’s give credit where it’s due. She did a simple but respectable job of interviewing Palin. She didn’t ask obscure or unfair questions. She simply wanted to give her audience a better understand of what Palin thinks about a few different issues. In the eyes of most, she may never be a commanding presence like some others, but she’s shown that she deserves to be where she is.

  61. 61
    Zuzu Hussein's Petals says:

    and look at how malkin bitchily refers to biden’s response:
    Update: Thanks to commenter DougT — Couric did ask Biden the SCOTUS case question. He named…a decision that overturned one of his pet pieces of legislation, the Violence Against Women Act.

    And of course she gets that wrong too.

    The court didn’t overturn the act, it simply overturned the provisions authorizing civil suits to be brought in federal court.

    VAWA

  62. 62
    ppcli says:

    Hmmmm…. When McCain’s campaign was "suspended" we still saw McCain ads here in Michigan. Now that the bailout package is apparently going to pass, he’s pulling the ads and not coming here. They really do live in an alternate bizarro reality in Bushland.

  63. 63
    Stannate says:

    pull out? doesn’t sound manly to me.
    a real man would stay in there till the job’s done.

    Thank you for the George Carlin reference.

  64. 64
    ThymeZone says:

    It’s the jig, not the gig, which is up.

    But anyway, the new Palinian Meme is that Ordinary People ought to be able to serve in these high positions. Otherwise, the whole "change" assertion is just false. How can you get "change" unless you replace those supposedly "experienced" people who have been running things?

    I am not making this up, an educated and otherwise apparently intelligent man said this to me in person an hour ago.

    Palin is the true change.

    Pass it on.

  65. 65
    cyntax says:

    …the Supreme Court was correct in striking down the act since the link to interstate commerce was extremely tenuous…

    Yeah, that did seem a tenuous connection to me too, as you point out, and Biden showed exactly how you field a question like that–it should be a springboard, not a stumper.

    But I think we should be prepared for Palin to do much better tonight. She’s been in this sort of debate format before (highly structured, no back and forth) and has acquitted herself well, combined with the howlingly laughable standard she’s going to be held to, and she could come out of this looking OK.

    Now whether looking OK is sufficient to undo the slide her favorables have been on–who knows…

  66. 66

    And let me just close with this- if Katie Couric is making you look dumb bitch-slapping you with a straight razor, the gig is up.

    Fixed

  67. 67
    crack says:

    In the previous thread after 161 I get a full screen black box that covers most of comment 162 and looks like its about a page big. It’s an awesome black hole.

  68. 68
    SGEW says:

    Palin is the true change.

    No, for real. You must admit that if Sarah Palin was President of the United States of America, it would indeed be a real change.

    Just imagine the changes to America.

    (Pauses to think of the changes to America in a Palin administration)

    Aieeee!

  69. 69
    Dirk says:

    Yeah. Biden answered that by citing a horrible piece of work he did trying to federalize a violent criminal act between two people. I understand Biden teaches Constitutional Law. Somebody needs to explain to me how person-to-person violence is an issue in the U.S. Constitution.

    His answer to "Were there any Supreme Court decisions with which you disagreed?":

    Biden: You know, I’m the guy who wrote the Violence Against Women Act. And I said that every woman in America, if they are beaten and abused by a man, should be able to take that person to court – meaning you should be able to go to federal court and sue in federal court the man who abused you if you can prove that abuse. But they said, "No, that a woman, there’s no federal jurisdiction." And I held, they acknowledged, I held about 1,000 hours of hearings proving that there’s an effect in interstate commerce.
    Women who are abused and beaten and beaten are women who are not able to be in the work force. And the Supreme Court said, "Well, there is an impact on commerce, but this is federalizing a private crime and we’re not going to allow it." I think the Supreme Court was wrong about that decision.

  70. 70
    Jeff says:

    She’s been in this sort of debate format before (highly structured, no back and forth) and has acquitted herself well, combined with the howlingly laughable standard she’s going to be held to, and she could come out of this looking OK.

    I wonder if Biden or Ifill would be tempted to break the rules and just pose a follow up question. Biden for obvious reasons and Ifill because she knows theey are going to question her integrity anyways.

  71. 71
    Litlebritdifrnt says:

    Wow – those comments over at the Essence piece are just vile beyond words. Where do these people come from? (wherever it is I wish they would go back and stay there).

  72. 72
    iluvsummr says:

    More comedy from the Ailin’-Failin’ ticket:

     
    McCain: Obama lead growing because ‘life isn’t fair’
     

    Sen. McCain said Thursday Barack Obama is leading in the polls because ‘life isn’t fair’.
     

    (CNN) – John McCain said Thursday that Barack Obama’s poll numbers are rising as the economy seems to sink "because life isn’t fair.”
     
    “He certainly did nothing for the first few days,” McCain told Fox News Thursday. "I suspended my campaign, took our ads down, came back to Washington, met with the House folks and got on the phone, and also had face-to-face meetings.”
     

    Shorter McCain: I acted like a total drama queen and it got me nowhere…waaah!
    Funny how there are so many similarities between McCain’s campaign and Clinton’s primary campaign in the waning days…

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    slip says:

    To Whom It May Concern,

    The Violence Against Women Act was not struck down by the Supreme Court. It is a United States federal law. The Supreme Court overruled one particular aspect of the law, not the law itself.

    Sincerely, slip

  74. 74
    cleek says:

    In the previous thread after 161 I get a full screen black box that covers most of comment 162 and looks like its about a page big. It’s an awesome black hole.

    and it’ll probably happen here, if the thread gets long enough.

    it’s nature’s way of telling someone to start a new thread.

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    Annette says:

    Re: the black box effect – still researching this, as there’s nothing inherently different between a thread at 50 comments versus one at 150 or higher (except for the usual signal to noise ratio, of course). Works in IE.

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    cyntax says:

    I wonder if Biden or Ifill would be tempted to break the rules and just pose a follow up question. Biden for obvious reasons and Ifill because she knows theey are going to question her integrity anyways.

    Although I would enjoy that, I very much doubt it. You’ll notice that the McCain camp got all bithcy about Ifill but then left her in place. That’s classic innoculation. If Ifill does anything they don’t like (or Palin tanks on her own)–bam! Ifill’s to blame.

    And maybe they manage to intimidate Ifill and/or the network into soft-balling some of the questions.

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    Punchy says:

    John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

    Is "Michigan" her stage name or real name?

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    ppcli says:

    "But anyway, the new Palinian Meme is that Ordinary People ought to be able to serve in these high positions. Otherwise, the whole "change" assertion is just false. How can you get "change" unless you replace those supposedly "experienced" people who have been running things?"
    .
    Ah, remember the good old days, when Roman Hruska was laughed at even by Republicans for defending Carswell with: "Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance?"
    .
    Perhaps we should rename Fox News "Hruska News", as I’m sure we’ll be hearing this line of (ahem) argument from them a lot in the weeks to come.

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    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII says:

    But anyway, the new Palinian Meme is that Ordinary People ought to be able to serve in these high positions. Otherwise, the whole "change" assertion is just false. How can you get "change" unless you replace those supposedly "experienced" people who have been running things?

    Yeah, I want Billy Bob Johnson who never graduated from 11th grade, works on a farm bailing hay and spends his nights in the bedroom in his parents house whacking off to internet porn facing off against Putin…. NOT!

    That’s some scary shit!

  80. 80
    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII says:

    Hey crack, I had the exact same problem at the exact same place. I sent John two screen shots.

    I’m running Firefox, what browser are you running?

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    cyntax says:

    Punchy: Is Michigan" her stage name or real name?

    He’ll be here all week folks. Don’t forget to tip your waitress.

    =)

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    cleek says:

    How can you get "change" unless you replace those supposedly "experienced" people who have been running things?

    right. which is why people should be placed into government positions by a draft. screw this election stuff – if you want Joe Average, pick names out of a (really big) hat.

    "And the next President is …. Number six-oh-eight-nine-three-oh-two-five-one – Joe Dumbowski from Altoona, PA! Congratulations, Joe!"

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    Geeno says:

    Actually, VP debates are like medical practice – first, do no harm. "Winning" the VP debate doesn’t really give a noticeable boost to the ticket. People vote for the top of the ticket. Biden and Palin just have to reassure the voters that they’re ready. A rather easier proposition for Biden than Palin.

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    SGEW says:

    The case Biden was talking about (U.S. v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598 (2000)) struck down the federal civil remedy provision of the Violence Against Woman Act. Rehnquist’s majority opinion ruled that inter-personal violence cannot fall under "interstate commerce," relying on Lopez. Blah blah, slippery slope, "substantial" vagueness etc. Snarky dissent by Breyer, natch.

    Lopez (the one that struck down the Gun-Free School Zones Act) is the real precedent, and Morrison is application.

    If given more time I bet that Biden would have gone on (at great length) about the improper application in Morrison, and probably would have talked up either Souter’s or Breyer’s dissent (I’m suddenly very curious what he would have said . . . I wonder what Obama thinks . . .).

    More ConLaw questions for the candidates, please!

    [Ed. note – editing function good for nitpickers like me, but bad for time management!]

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    Punchy says:

    Chuck Todd stated in the last day or two, McCain is in Missouri later this week. That state should be in the bag at this point.

    Repeat after me: Obama does not win Missouri. Yeah, I know they’ve correctly picked the winner since 1492 blah blah blah. They’ll get it wrong this year.

    Mizzou is chock full of racist, meth-addicted inbreds who wouldn’t vote for Colored Folk if they were promised a new double-wide and toothbrushes. Just ain’t gunna happen this year.

    The good thing is, it wont matter. O takes Iowa, MI, MN, CO, NM and by then it’s academic.

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    SGEW says:

    "I’ll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah."
    Abraham Simpson

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    tBone says:

    It’s an awesome black hole.

    Just a test of the Large Hadron Collider, nothing to be concerned about.

    I’m more worried about the occasional post numbers that show up hyperlinked with an incomplete [br tag.

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    ThymeZone says:

    "Works in IE."

    "What browser are you running?"

    BLack Hole thread effect seen in IE this morning. That’s IE 7.

    On two very different machines.

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    jake says:

    How can you get "change" unless you replace those supposedly "experienced" people who have been running things?

    I’m getting confused. If McPOW is the guy with all of the experience and Obama is the know-nothing naive newbie why would a lack of experience be a good thing. Or is it that Palin is going to be VP so that’s where you want the bright new ideas and change, no experience necessary. But the VPs role is largely cermonial and I can’t imagine the average Rethug wants a woman telling the Maverick how to run the country anyway…

    Say TZ, was that guy drunk, perchance?

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    ThymeZone says:

    XM Radio politics channel (130) is reporting that McCain has withdrawn campaign resources from Michigan. Apparently they are conceding the state.

    This is the AP story.

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    ThymeZone says:

    Say TZ, was that guy drunk?

    Um, no. Click here. It’s a pretty common theme out there these days. Do you own a radio or anything like that?

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    Actually I think Biden can get away with being frustrated with Palin, but only if he manages the proverbial Joe Sixpack’s style of WTF rather than Gore-style being haughty and superior.
    Not joking in the slightest. I don’t know if he has it in him but if anybody does Biden does. The trick is not to be all ‘this is how much more superior I am than you’, but just to react like a regular guy to a display of total ridiculousness.

    He could laugh (but not sarcastically, or too long) or just be caught speechless with a look of ‘wuh?’ at a particularly gibberish answer and it would work. Regular folks are not retarded morons, they just don’t want a lot of snotty attitude. Ironically, despite being some sort of moron, Palin is more likely to come across with snotty attitude.

    Another thing that would work is (if permitted, which I doubt) a "Wait, you mean that" ploy. Like "Wait- you mean that you read all newspapers, just not specifically?" or something. She’s going to walk into some jackpots of that nature, no doubt about it.

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    John Cole says:

    Yeah. Biden answered that by citing a horrible piece of work he did trying to federalize a violent criminal act between two people. I understand Biden teaches Constitutional Law. Somebody needs to explain to me how person-to-person violence is an issue in the U.S. Constitution.

    He answered correctly. It is almost as if you all are so hard-wired to see “gotcha” questions that you forget the point of the questions was TO SEE HOW THE CANDIDATES THINK.

    Katie asked “What other cases do you agree/disagree with?”

    Biden stated the violence with women act, answered correctly, and provided you some insight as to how he thinks. You don’t have to agree with him on the legal reasoning, I don’t, but you get to know how he thinks.

    Palin couldn’t think of anything. We get no insight in to how she thinks, just that she doesn’t.

    Now do you understand the point of questions from reporters? It actually is to inform the public.

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    jake says:

    Um, no. Click here. It’s a pretty common theme out there these days. Do you own a radio or anything like that?

    Cha right. Like I’m going to assume someone spouting pro-McPalintine crap is clean or sober, even if they are on the radio.

    Ever heard of a dude called Rush Limbaugh?

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    SGEW says:

    You don’t have to agree with him on the legal reasoning, I don’t, but you get to know how he thinks.

    Oooh. Now I’m curious what John Cole thinks of Lopez. Are you a Rehnquist fan, re: the Interstate Commerce clause? Or is it something specific about the V.A.W.A.? Enquiring minds want to know.

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    John Cole says:

    If that as the handgun case, I supported the ruling. The commerce clause has been abused by the Feds for who knows how long. There is, quite literally, nothing that they will not claim falls under commerce.

    Well, except beating women and carrying a gun to school, apparently.

    And again, I am not a lawyer, but my gut take on all that is there has been a great deal of federal over-reach.

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    ThymeZone says:

    Like I’m going to assume someone spouting pro-McPalintine crap is clean or sober, even if they are on the radio.

    Ever heard of a dude called Rush Limbaugh?

    You just don’t care what silly-assed shit you post, apparently.

    Fine with me, I don’t care either.

    Please stay away from me, you are really annoying and stupid.

    Oh wait, was your stuff supposed to be funny?

    Yeah, I’ve heard of Limbaugh, dickslobber.

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    Asked about Supreme Court cases she disagreed with Sarah Palin answered

    Duhhhh

    OK, anyone can brain freeze, especially with something like case names, ie Brown v Board of Education, what wouldn’t happen if you had sufficient curiousity to care about it is that you couldn’t say, " Emminent domain, slavery extensions, school prayer…." The issues remain whether you remember the proper name of the case or not. And showing the fallibility of forgetting the case names but remaining on top of the issues would have been forgiven. Not Sarah – off on a run at state’s rights with no frame work.

    Since I don’t drink alcohol I can’t be Joe Sixpack, but I am a nail bender from a little place in NE OR who has never been an elected official, so I get real near that in economic and social background and I can answer any of those questions. Hmmm…

    No, I have no desire to be President or VP, thanks for asking, John.

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    SGEW says:

    There is, quite literally, nothing that they will not claim falls under commerce.
    Well, except beating women and carrying a gun to school, apparently.

    Th’ funny thing is, they (i.e., Biden, et. al.) did actually claim that, but SCOTUS said: No. (And th’ Handgun case will ultimately be a lot more about th’ 2nd Amendment than th’ Commerce Clause, in my humble opinion).

    Yeah, th’ Commerce Clause is a big old loophole you can drive a truck through: but everyone just has their favorite truck*. No one** is about to sew it shut fer good, so it’s all just wrangling over the scope and application.

    But it’s nice to see that there’s something we disagree about! I was getting worried that you were turning into some Dirty Fucking Hippy like me (especially as your predictions have been getting more and more accurate lately – us DFH’s have had a pretty fucking good record for the last 7 years). MUP-juice only goes so far, it seems.

    *See, e.g., Federal abortion laws – Scalia seems to be fine with those.
    **Well, Thomas might. There’s just no telling with that guy sometimes.

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    Palin is sad. Her apologists are a tragedy.

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    wruscle says:

    I’m wondering at this point if there is an "only Nixon could go to
    China" aspect to the effectiveness of Couric’s takedown of Palin. From
    the standpoint of the interviews themselves, there seems to be a
    hesitancy or a flustered quality to Palin’s answers that was not there
    when she was interviewed by Gibson or Hannity. All the clips I’ve seen related to her past performance seem to indicate that she is at her best when she is the woman in the room. Sitting across from Couric seems to have thrown her off her standard game. Compare her general comportment with Gibson and with Couric, and see if you aren’t left with the same impression.

    From the standpoint of the commentary and the development of the
    conventional wisdom narrative related to these interviews, the fact
    that Couric is both a woman, and that she has and interviewing style
    that tends toward the less aggressive, renders the reflexive and
    expected charges of sexism, condescension, and gotcha journalism
    completely inneffective.

    If my impressions on this have merit, how Palin does in the debate
    tonight could be determined to a significant extent by the degree to
    which she perceives herself as speaking directly to Ifill.

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    Zuzu Hussein's Petals says:

    You know, whatever main course Palin manages to serve up during the debate will be preceded by a tasty little appetizer…wherein she (purportedly) tells Katie Couric the worst thing Cheney did was shoot somebody in the face.

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    SGEW says:

    . . . wherein she (purportedly) tells Katie Couric the worst thing Cheney did was shoot somebody in the face.

    And then shot Katie Couric in the face, showing her Vice Presidential leadership abilities.

    Sarah Palin field stripping Katie Couric will premiere on the weekend.

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    Rick Taylor says:

    By the way, since when did conservatives become such complete pathetic whimps? Ohhhhhhh, those mean reporters, they asked her hard questions. Why don’t you go ask that Obama any hard questions?

    Seriously, this is getting embarrassing.

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    Jimmm says:

    Michelle:

    The blogosphere and the punditocracy made much hay yesterday over Sarah Palin’s inability to name a Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade with which she disagreed. Does it bother me? Yes. But not as much as some of the hand-wringing critics who, unlike Palin, are lawyers with instant recall or commentators who make a living chattering about SCOTUS cases on the lecture/cocktail circuit. I would have loved it if Palin had been able to reel off Plessy or Kelo or Grutter or Bakke. I’m concerned that she blanked, but not ready to jump off a cliff. The Beltway/Manhattan crowd seems to have forgotten that her appeal to the base was not that she was a slick intellectual, but that she was one of them. Hockey moms aren’t going to be as upset about her non-answer answer as academics and think-tank dwellers.

    Translation: "Now I may be just a simple country lass with little education outside of a BA from Oberlin, but we real Americans don’t rightly cotton to all that book smarts."

    Stunning.

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    pnin says:

    comrade chopper, jesus, you are an idiot! :-) and so is the writer of this article. biden makes more gaffes per nano-second than Palin would have ever dreamt of, ‘mark my words’ lol :-) The Americans drew the Hezbollah out of Lebanon hahahahaha :-) …yeah, right, maybe in Biden’s brain-damaged world :-) (btw he did have brain surgery a while ago for anneurysms, which is kinda obvious each time he opens his mouth :-)

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