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You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if McCain and Palin win, and hell, right now they are ahead in the polls, but it would shock me. We really would, as a nation, be getting what we deserve.
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You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if McCain and Palin win, and hell, right now they are ahead in the polls, but it would shock me. We really would, as a nation, be getting what we deserve.
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SGEW
Hmm. I just posted that vid on th’ last thread. Too many good spoof videos, not enough time!
Palin/Jones ’12! Michael and Terry and the Python Party, FTW.
Speak for yourself, Mr. Cole. If McCain becomes President, I’ll be watching the end of the Republic from the safe shores of Barcelona or Den Haag.
[Sure, I’ve said I’ll leave the country if candidate X wins before, but this time I mean it. ;)]
Billy K
Well, that’s how “rigged”* the election system is now. In a year when everything is going the Democrats’ way, we’ll be lucky to eek out a win.
And yes, we’ll deserve it if they win. I think it was David Ogilvy who said, “Clients get the advertising they deserve.” It’s just as true with government.
*Take that word to mean what you like; socially engineered or outright crooked.
Ugh
The McCain/Palin administration will be awesome. Especially after McCain shuffles off and we’re left with President Palin and Vice President Hagee.
Jess
There’s nothing like democracy to make you hate your fellow citizens…I can’t believe how fucking stupid people are. Very depressing.
John H. Farr
That’s what it all comes down to, which is why all the hand-wringing is silly. We either are a nation of mostly-intelligent people, or we are not.
And as for all those who say they’re going to leave the country if such-and-such happens, just try it: not another nation in the world welcomes American emigrants, and if they let them in, the financial requirements are staggering for most.
Rick Massimo
I live in this nation, and it isn’t what I deserve. Nor is it what my son, who would reach draftable age in a second McCain/first Palin term, would deserve.
Gus
There’s a perverse part of me that thinks it would be better in the long run for shit to go to hell right away. I think that an Obama administration would be better than a McCain administration, but I think it would be a band-aid on a gaping arterial wound. Something really heavy is going to go down in the next decade or so, economic collapse, environmental collapse, civil war or revolution, maybe martial law in the US, something heavy. I don’t think an Obama administration can do anything but delay disaster. I guess I’m in one of my pessimistic moods.
zzyzx
What did I do to deserve it?
Damned at Random
I thought for a long that if McCain won, he would settle for one term, man up, and try to address the defecit and climate crisis- that he couldn’t possibly be worse than Bush in any case. The Palin choice changed that for me- I seriously suspect that he has taken leave of his senses
GSD
Palin/Moon 2012. Lipsticked, crowned and rapture ready.
-GSD
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
All it took was a post-convention bounce – that everyone knew was coming – and suddenly all the Democratic Eeyores are out in force. Golly gosh, people are just so concerned these days. Buck up, little campers. One convention does not a salvation of the McCain campaign make.
Svensker
Yup, me, too. We just got back from Canada, where their Bush-supporting government is being challenged by the “liberals” — who are all about really radical environmentalism. So the Bush supporters will stay in office.
It appears, at the moment, that western civilization is going belly up. Island, here I come.
Incertus
Why the hell not indeed.
As to whether or not we would deserve it, well, if we don’t convince the majority of voters that Obama is better, and if we don’t make sure that the votes that are cast are counted fairly, then yes, we deserve what we wind up with.
DonnaInMichigan
This will be a typical Charles Gibson question to Palin..
So you call yourself a pitball with lipstick. So what brand and color of lipstick do you prefer?
SGEW
Tell me about it! That’s why I’m going to try and be politically prosecuted by McCain’s Justice Department (AG Giuliani?), which might not be so hard, and then flee the country and seek refugee status in Spain or the Netherlands.
. . . Hey, ya gotta dream, right?
Paul L.
Even a Chicago community organizer.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
I just bought a house, I’m not invoking my Irish right of return just yet.
Dennis - SGMM
When, after nearly eight years of George Bush, any Republican polls over 30% against any Democrat it means that Idiocracy is already alive and well.
Me? Well, I’m going to make a fortune selling shit sandwiches. I’m going to call them “Patriot Sandwiches” and I’m going to slather them with plenty of barbecue sauce. Sure, they’re still shit sandwiches but, with the right catch phrases and advertising, Americans will flock to buy them.
D. Mason
I’m starting to think the McCain campaign has a well thought out strategy that’s hard to predict: turn moderate minded people off the democratic process completely.
They know their base, which is solid, will turn out and vote for them no matter what happens. They also know the dem base is shaky at best. For as long as I can remember the dems have relied on young/new voter turnout and moderates for a large percent of their votes. The toxicity of the McCain campaign combined with the infuriating nature of our media can make for a repulsive stew(not to mention the ever-praising, flacid dems). If they can make the “swing voters” so disgusted with the whole process that everyone just throws their hands up it might be a winning strategy for the reps.
Stuck in the Fun House
During the 2004 election, I was just about consumed with anxiety and anger. And when the election results came in, it was like someone dropped a Mack truck on my sorry ass. Although I still care, my bullshit absorption capacity has long since been reached, and I’m now in “Que Sera, Sera” mode with low expectations for the US of A to do the right thing for it’s own survival.
Up until the last couple of weeks, I expected the best, now not so much. We have the best qualified presidential candidate in the past 50 years from either party and he’s essentially tied with the GOP candidate whose party runs 10-15 points behind in favorability. What does that tell you? Sarah Palin is only an excuse for too many not to vote for Obama, and to vote their fear once again.
gbear
I’m starting to think the McCain campaign has a well thought out strategy that’s hard to predict: turn moderate minded people off the democratic process completely.
Tsulagi
If that happens, no worries, we’ll be in the same sure hands that have gotten us this far. Palin would attend to the home front while McCain pits his experience to keep us safe from security threats abroad.
Freddie and Fannie bailout starts getting into the trillion range to protect foreign bond holders like China? Easy. Palin would use her unitary VP powers to put Freddie and Fannie on ebay. Problem solved. McCain? His finger will be poised on the trigger to rush troops to the volatile Iraq/Pakistan border once he finds where the evildoers are hiding it.
Vote McCain/Palin! Keep Republican competence on the march in the new millennium. Stay the course.
emma
You’re right Stan, he should have been running the PTA.
ThymeZone
Hard to believe that this is coming from AP and the Yahoo McCainwhores, but here it is.
A total smackdown of Palin on the bridge issue.
It’s about FUCKING TIME.
The woman is a goddam pathological liar.
Read the whole thing.
Cris
What polls? I can’t be bothered to look, but I thought I heard on the radio that the composites are still showing MUP up, albeit by a little less.
You posted on Daily Kos. Pinko.
MBunge
I’m not freaking out too bad over the polls, but it is depressing when you consider how many of the people going nuts over Palin used to be nuts over George W. Bush for the same reasons but have learned nothing from that experience.
Mike
Cris
I was saying much the same thing earlier today. I think people like Palin because of her personality: she’s able to appear simultaneously ignorant and condescending, just like the current President.
cleek
McPOW +10
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
A message from our next President.
JL
Today I went by the local grocery store chain, Publix. They have a habit of covering up magazines at checkout that they deem offensive. Today they covered up negative articles about Palin. (National Enquirer and Us Weekly) They also covered up a magazine called OK which had a pro Obama article about his relation with his girls. I live in Roswell, GA so I guess pro Obama articles are now offensive.
flywheelgrinding
The trouble is that when I imagine an evil scenario, my conscience kicks in and talks me out of it.
Karl Rove considers evil thoughts divine inspirations and acts on them.
That’s why us democrats always seem to be a day late and a dollar short.
Xenos
My children don’t deserve this. Nobody’s children deserve this. Not even the children of Republicans deserve this.
I guess there has to be some karma what with the Native American genocides, and the African holocaust.
Kilkee
You know what’s really depressing? I should be a damn GOPer, but I’m not. I mean, I make a fair amount of money, enough to be looking at a small Obama tax increase. I have no obvious family or friend needs that the Dems will be satisfying. In short, I have no obvious NEED to drive the GOPers out except, you know, the idea of being proud of my country, wanting to avoid nuclear holocaust, and shit like that. So I spend ridiculous amounts of time worrying about this stuff, and fretting about the future of my country, and then some Rapture-hopeful, soon-to-be-unemployed yahoo pulls himself away from reality TV long enough to get a hardon seeing Sarah Palin fondle an M-16, and my country goes down the tubes. I’m starting to wonder why I bother.
There, that rant spent, I still think we’ll win.
Zifnab
Yes. Nothing like giving rich people bailouts to really stick it to the pioneers and plantation owners.
Incertus
Every empire falls eventually. I’m not saying we’re seeing the crumbling right this second, but the writing is on the wall.
Robert Johnston
I’ve had the same pessimistic moods. It’s why the Obama cave-in on FISA and the Obama rhetoric about bipartisanship are, among other similar aspects of the Obama persona, so disheartening. Anything short of putting the boot to the Republican throat and completely renouncing the imperial unilateral presidency leaves open too great a chance that we’re just delaying the inevitable or, worse, making it impossible to fix things in the future.
Of course the real problem with this reasoning is that the revolution is too likely not to come. If a McCain presidency hastened the revolution it might end up a good thing, but it’s at least as likely that a McCain presidency would simply accelerate decay and ossify institutionalized idiocy, with no revolution to follow up.
jrg
I think what pisses me off the most about this “Convention Bounce” is that it confirms my fears about undecided voters. How hard is it to figure out that the Republicans are campaigning like they will govern?
Do undecided voters really want more religious and cultural wars between Americans? Do they really want four more years of fear mongering over 9/11? Do they really want a far-right “hockey mom” one heartbeat away from the presidency? Do they really want abortions to be illegal, even in the case of rape? Do they really believe it when the ex-mayor of New York City rails liberals for being too “cosmopolitan”? Do they really think that McCain and Palin will “clean up washington” when they won’t even name the elephant in the room that is GW Bush?
I just don’t understand this GOP convention bounce. Any sane person should know that McCain and Palin are a dangerous choice to be running the U.S… What in the GOP convention could convince voters otherwise? Is it that easy to scare the rubes into submission?
Seanly
John, you should post your ActBlue donation link on the side or summthin. I had to go back a few days to donate. Gave for the first time ever in presidential (or any) election. Let’s hit that $40k!
I’m trying not to be pestimistic. I hope most of the gain in McSame/Paleocon’s numbers are just higher percentages for them in (unfortunately) safe red states.
Obama’s still on track to get Iowa & New Mexico in addition to the states Kerry won in 2004. From electionprojections.com, weak McCain states account for 75 electoral votes (in 4 states) versus 18 (in 3 states) for Obama.
The economy isn’t getting any better. The highway trust fund soon won’t be able to pay reimbursements to the states ~ that means potential layoffs & furloughs at state DOT’s; it means large & small infrastructure design and construction projects delayed or canceled. Why is this a big deal? Highway infrastructure money multiplies through the economy. Every $1 the Feds spend on that is returned sevenfold to the GDP. Yeah, $7 to the GDP for every $1 (tax cuts return $1.01 to $1.05 to the economy). That’s one of the big reasons why suspending the gas tax was an idiotic idea. And contractors and engineers are in general a fiscally conservative lot.
Sorry for the long post…
Seanly
John, you should post your ActBlue donation link on the side or summthin. I had to go back a few days to donate. Gave for the first time ever in presidential (or any) election. Let’s hit that $40k!
I’m trying not to be pestimistic. I hope most of the gain in McSame/Paleocon’s numbers are just higher percentages for them in (unfortunately) safe red states.
Obama’s still on track to get Iowa & New Mexico in addition to the states Kerry won in 2004. From electionprojections.com, weak McCain states account for 75 electoral votes (in 4 states) versus 18 (in 3 states) for Obama.
The economy isn’t getting any better. The highway trust fund soon won’t be able to pay reimbursements to the states ~ that means potential layoffs & furloughs at state DOT’s; it means large & small infrastructure design and construction projects delayed or canceled. Why is this a big deal? Highway infrastructure money multiplies through the economy. Every $1 the Feds spend on that is returned sevenfold to the GDP. Yeah, $7 to the GDP for every $1 (tax cuts return $1.01 to $1.05 to the economy). That’s one of the big reasons why suspending the gas tax was an idiotic idea. And contractors and engineers are in general a fiscally conservative lot and tend to vote Republican (sometimes I think I am the only liberal engineer), so not a good group to put out of work before an election.
Sorry for the long post…
The Populist
“And as for all those who say they’re going to leave the country if such-and-such happens, just try it: not another nation in the world welcomes American emigrants, and if they let them in, the financial requirements are staggering for most.”
There is a law in place (thanks Dems!) that was snuck onto a recent bill whereas the government can take your assets at the border.
We are fucked if McCain wins.
Klaus
We really would, as a nation, be getting what we deserve.
No, the problem is that another country is going to get what the US deserves. When empires fall, they do so by dragging other countries down with them. So which one is McCain going to bomb? Which other country will pay for US voter apathy?
Seanly
John, you should post your ActBlue donation link on the side or summthin. I had to go back a few days to donate. Gave for the first time ever in presidential (or any) election. Let’s hit that $40k!
I’m trying not to be pestimistic. I hope most of the gain in McSame/Paleocon’s numbers are just higher percentages for them in (unfortunately) safe red states.
Obama’s still on track to get Iowa & New Mexico in addition to the states Kerry won in 2004. From electionprojections.com, weak McCain states account for 75 electoral votes (in 4 states) versus 18 (in 3 states) for Obama. I do want Obama/Biden to fight back. I get the sense though that Obama is biding his time like he did in the Democratic primary. The let clock run out a little; let the opponent show his hand.
Sorry for the long post…
The Populist
“And as for all those who say they’re going to leave the country if such-and-such happens, just try it: not another nation in the world welcomes American emigrants, and if they let them in, the financial requirements are staggering for most.”
There is a law in place (thanks Dems!) that was snuck onto a recent bill whereas the government can take your assets at the border.
We are fracked if McCain wins.
Teak111
Just when I get down about the election my follow travelers bring me right back up again with humor. GOP has god, but Dems have teh funny.
Llelldorin
My kids are 6 and 2. They don’t deserve this, regardless of the rest of the country.
We have to win this thing.
zuzu's petals
Hang on kids, there’s a new one a’poppin’ :
Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home
Conservatively Liberal
We’re back! ;)
How about a bit from the WSJ:
Mavrick indeed! Sarah is the Queen of Pork when it comes to Governors.
Regarding the Bridge to Nowhere, Obama should not be saying that she was for it before she was against it, but rather she was for it until she had to pay for part of it, then she said “No thanks, but I will still take the money!”. Which she did.
Regarding Income Redistribution, by keeping the money that was supposed to be for the bridge and spending it on state projects, this freed up more money that could be redistributed to the natives via their Oil Checks. If I was a native getting bigger checks with Palin as governor, I might be inclined to think she is doing a heckuvajob too!
Palin is buried up to ears in mooseshit.
Rick Taylor
If that happens, then you’ll get to experience what the rest of us already did in 2000 and 2004.
Eric
Do what I did and fall in love with a nice European girl. Of course, our marraige doesn’t automatically make a German citizen, but I can still live there if I needed to.
You know…just in case of a Palin Presidency major national disaster.
zuzu's petals
Here’s another little tidbit I wonder if anyone’s noticed:
Palin’s official state portrait – you know, the one presumably paid for by the state – is the same “weather reporter” pic that appears on the campaign website, etc.
Official Portrait
State laws usually prohibit using taxpayer funds for political purposes. On the other hand, I can’t believe the McCain people would be stupid enough to not know this.
Joshua Norton
So Sarah Failin has consented to have a couple interviews with ABC lapdog Charles Gibson later this week. So, I guess if he fucks up and asks a toughie question on the first day, there won’t be a second.
The self-proclaimed pitbull-barracuda has declared she must be treated with “respect and deference,” so she will not be asked about the Bridge to Nowhere, whether her son cut the brakes of schoolbuses, whether she asked a library to ban books, the Troopergate investigation, her nutty pastor, her 5 colleges in 6 years, her embrace of federal pork and earmarks for Alaska, why she’ll be using her baby and pregnant highschooler as a photo-op, whether she really did say “so Sambo beat the Bitch?” in regards to Senators Obama and Clinton, her lack of knowledge of national and internation affairs…
Instead, we’ll be exposed to such pap as hearing all about how a gutsy working mother combined family with blah blah blah blah blah… what it’s like hunting moose… where she got those awesome Tina Fey glasses… how her faith in Jeebus helped her deal with family problems, the awful mean media…
You know the softball drill…..
Joshua Norton
A post Republican National Convention roundup.
Tee Hee…..
Stuck in the Fun House
She was paid travel per diem for 312 days while comfy cozy in her home. And her spokeperson says that’s not unusual. Where I come from that’s not just a bad idea, it’s against the law. This woman is not only a pathological liar, she’s goddamn crook. And her and Mcbush are laughing it up on the campaign trail whilst feeding the public a steady diet of bullshit. And thus far they’re getting away with it.
The rot coming from Great State of Alaska
Delia
This is so unfair. She may have charged the state a bundle for living in her own home, but on the other hand, back when she was mayor of Wasilla, she saved bunches of money by charging rape victims for their own forensic exams. You’ve got to balance it all out.
wasabi gasp
The US needs to be spanked. And when every patriotic ass is spanked raw, we need to look abroad. To spank some more! We’re gonna bend the whole fuckin’ world over our knee.
Vote McCain/Palin. Get Spanked!
zuzu's petals
That equalling more than half her time in office, I’d guess she was billing for every day she wasn’t staying at the Governor’s mansion in Juneau or actually traveling.
(The state legislature only meets 90 per year, and she works most of the rest of the year in her office in Anchorage.)
Tax Analyst
Logically speaking, this should work. It’s the only reason I wasn’t completely apoplectic after I saw the recent poll numbers. Well, that and the fact that the Electoral vote numbers still favor Obama.
But it’s just fucking ludicrous that a ticket as solid as Obama/Biden might lose or barely eek out a narrow win over a ticket that seems more like the premise of a stupid TV-sitcom than the actual Presidential ticket of one of the two major parties in America.
McCain is peddling pure baloney and it’s sad that so many folks aren’t smart enough to notice the man and what passes for his “thinking” are way past the “sell buy” on his package…Sarah Palin? The stuff in her package never was fit for consumption. It’s full of bad pork and over-cooked hype that has been cynically and dishonestly labeled by people who really don’t give a shit what happens to this country as long as they can stay in power.
Tax Analyst
“sell
buyby”duh…
KC
I keep hearing about Obama’s ground game, all the wonderful things it’s doing, but remain unconvinced. People don’t stay motivated if their candidate doesn’t motivate them. A month ago I thought Obama should have chosen Hillary. It would have brought some life into his campaign. He went for the Biden alternative though and gave McCain a great opening. I really really hope his people have a plan in their pockets, because I’m feeling a bit concerned at this point.
Tax Analyst
Well, what’s a little expense fraud when you’re a certified God-Fearing Soccer Mom running on the same ticket as John McCain, POW?
cain
woowee.. looks like the site is back. i was suffering from withdrawal.
I was going to say it seems to me that maybe Obama going on right wing sites and countering their questions is the best thing. It’ll put them into such a pickle becuase if they ask outrageous questions they could look like utter fools, if they didn’t their regular readerships would get quite angry.
Then the argument is, look Obama is not afraid of anyone. Let see if McCain can answer our questions? If he doesn’t we can mock him for being a pansy.
cain
Incertus
Any Obama win short of ten points will be a narrow win in the eyes of the media, and let’s be serious–they know how to spin shit into cotton candy. We can beat them, and I’m still confident we will, if only because the situation is so bad on the economic front that a change election is almost inevitable, but we need to remember that we will never–and I do mean never–have the corporate media on our side.
Tax Analyst
I’m having a little trouble understanding the “motivational” problem. Do people want a competent administration or not? It seems to motivate the fuck out of me.
Can we get past this, people? Hillary Clinton was NOT chosen and it is non-productive and at some point downright silly to second-guess or moan about it now. I happen to think she would have been a mediocre selection bearing a fairly good number of negatives in a General Election, albeit certainly one that I could live with. Obama chose Joe Biden…by virtually all accounts a very competent individual. To some people that’s a good trait to look for in a VP candidate. So please repeat after me, “The Democratic Party Presidential ticket for the 2008 General Election is Barack Obama (Sen.Illinois)and Joe Biden (Sen. Delaware) and it is a competent team that will run a good campaign and is worthy of our support, especially when compared to McCain/Palin.”
There, was that so hard?
The Populist
If McCain wins, we are fucked.
The Populist
Hey Michelle Malkin:
So why is it okay for Palin’s pastor to condemn America but not Obama’s? Funny, I don’t hear the right whining about the Un-American preachings of that Kalnin fella.
If you run with one point you better say something when it happens on your side. Interesting…
D. Mason
Which past 8 years have you been a part of?
Tax Analyst
Well, I’m not so sure on that…maybe. They’re certainly not going to do Obama any favors, but if he’s elected they will be more likely to try and turn their spinning in directions that keep their bread buttered. Will they be on “our” side? Not likely, but I don’t see corpmedia assuming an attack mode on Inauguration Day. The fangs might come out as the next election nears.
Anyway, I’ll be relieved and mollified with ANY type of win, although I would certainly hope it would have coattails that might drag a few more Democrats into Congress and State houses.
Micheline
People get a grip. The USA Today/Gallup Poll is an outlier.Some polls show McCain ahead by one or two points and that’s because he got a bounce from the convention. If you look at the state polls McCain gained some momentum but not to the extent that we should be shaking in our boots. Obama is holding his own.
Martin
Because he’s a cracker.
SATSQ.
Ted
We’re all a bunch of Cassandras at this point.
Tax Analyst
per Wikipedia:
“Cassandra has often served as a model for tragedy and Romance, and has given rise to the archetypical character of someone whose prophetic insight is obscured by insanity, turning their revelations into riddles or disjointed statements that are not fully comprehended until after the fact.”
or did you mean:
“Cassandra Peterson (born September 17, 1951) is an American actress best known for her on-screen horror host persona “Elvira, Mistress of the Dark”.?
I suppose this post gives at least partial support to the last half of the first statement:
“…obscured by insanity, turning their revelations into riddles or disjointed statements that are not fully comprehended until after the fact.”
zuzu's petals
Well, I think people also forget that some polls are registered voters and some – like USA Today/Gallup – are likely voters. I think they’re paying close attention to the likely voters, though.
Warren Terra
From that WaPo story about Palin charging the state a per diem for the 312 days she spent at home, the reporters wanted Frank Murkowski (the governor she beat in the primary) to comment, and he was unavailable because he was off moose hunting. heh.
Thomas Edward Theadore
Dude, are you new here?
Thomas Edward Theadore
Oh, what i meant to say was, “Hey are you new here, didn’t pay attention to the last presidential election? Where the fuck you from, West Virginia?”
Mike
Have to agree with Gus. Obama is terrific, a smart guy, I’ve contributed to his campaign and will vote for him in November.
However I think previous decades of Republican rule and 8 disastrous
years of Bush have made the US ship of state much like the Titanic after
hitting the iceberg…taking on water and sinking fast.
It would be poetic justice to have rightwing Republicans like McCain and Palin
at the helm going down with the ship.
Chuck Butcher
I took as much New and Improved GOP as I could and blew a blog gasket, but the thing about it is this simple, the RNC supports the very asshats who got us into this jam, including 26 yr McPOW, and they call that change. Every piece of Palin’s “speech” was the same crap from St Ronnie’s days. You have to imagine near amnesia on the part of voters to get worked up over this. I don’t think Obama has McPOW where he wants him, you never want the opposition even close, but he is well positioned to give McPOW/Failin a polite beating about the head and shoulders. Remember something, Obama’s real vulnerability versus McPOW was the experience mantra and that’s off the table. They claim to be re-inventing the GOP, polite questions will make that an obvious lie. You worry too much, work hard for the candidates – including down tickets – that’s what it takes, not panic.
Palin is going to self-destruct, she’s had a non-content non-invasive career – that all just ended. She’ll answer media questions or they’ll answer for her. Corp may own media but the worker bees still have egos and they won’t be ignored. Try to remember that Corp media needs strong consumers, buying little bees not mooching little beggars. Profit is god and god is not happy right now. I’m a construction contractor, how much do you think I’m buying that isn’t directly related to making a living or staying alive – that is not profit making material.
Stop the goddam doomsaying whining now we’re truly fucked and do something about it. Money is important, but I’ll tell you plainly that your body and time is worth multiples of any dollars you can cough up, much less both together as value.
Try to wrap your heads around this, I’ve got a US Senate campaign after me to organize this and that events and SoS, Atty Gen, and Treas candidates counting on me, all at the same damn time – and treating me like some fucking hero. Well shit, I could use some bodies, there is one of me and I have to try to make a living. Get the picture? You could give me $2500 and I’d have no use for it other than to put it in an envelope and put a stamp on it, but somebody…that’s what I ain’t got enough of – and I’m hooked in. That is what is always in short supply, competent help that won’t go off half-cocked and get you in trouble.
Where ever you live, the story is the same, I’m a plugged in DNC/DPO and we’re 0.1% of registered Democrats across the state; and nation and like any damn organization, 1% do 90% of the work. Everybody is better at some aspect than other aspects – I’m atrocious at phone work, but I’m a champ at some other stuff, there is something to do – I promise.
/recruiting rant
Damn, it’s all of Sept 9th…
Dayv
Is that Terry Gilliam doing the narration?
Rome Again
I used to work for Publix. About 25 years ago I gave them two months notice of my wedding date so I could get two days off. They waited until the schedule came out the week of my wedding to tell me I couldn’t have my wedding day off(this is after I sent out invitations, including to the managers who made this decision). I ended up quitting. Nothing new there. Publix is about as fascist of a company as they come. I used to work in the deli, which was attached to the meat department. The managers from the meat department and the deli use to sit back in our break room all day long everyday and tell good old boys stories for hours and get paid for it. When the manager of the deli was leaving, they replaced him with another man from the meat department (who didn’t understand the deli operations at all) who was part of those meetings. I have no faith in Publix.
The Populist
“Which past 8 years have you been a part of?”
The one that felt Bush went too far. Libs are big government? This former Republican sees the GOP responsible for this.
If Americans want 4-8 more years of Bush style policies, I won’t move out of the country since I refuse to stop fighting for the constitution, then America deserves the problems it creates.
I used to care about people. I still do to some extent but if Americans are truly this shortsighted to elect a hot tempered old man and a woman who has ZERO qualifications for the job (as well as being corrupt and a liar) then I won’t care if people lose their homes, lose their jobs and etc. I will look out for my neighbors and friends but fuck everybody else.
They will get what they vote for. For me, I will be fine. If gods, guns, gays and terrorists is all that matters to America, then they will get this crap at the expense of their livelihoods and communities. The irony here? Osama Bin Laden once stated his goal was to bankrupt our economy and turn us against one another. Seems to be working I hate to say :(
Rome Again
Thanks for sharing. That was great. ;)
Rome Again
And all he had to do was borrow a few planes and crash them into some buildings. We did the rest ourselves. Nationalistic ideology is what will have killed America, not any muslims. Right-wingers are a cancer attacking us from within. But, it’s not like Grover Norquist didn’t warn us.
Micheline
zuzu petals,
The poll is still outlier even with likely voter screen and besides it doesn’t match the 2004 numbers which show a tie. We have to take skeptical look at the polls even when the results are favorable.
Nicole
Populist, can you put up a link or something? I googled, but couldn’t find anything on this.
Dennis - SGMM
Clinton’s 43-37 win over George H.W. Bush in 1992 didn’t impress the media enough to keep them from piling on to every manufactured scandal and outrage until Clinton himself provided them with a real one.
Contrast that with Bush’s popular vote loss to Al Gore in 2000. The media cheerfully echoed every assertion by the Bush administration, the NYT sat on the warrantless wiretapping story until after the 2004 election and Bush was routinely referred to as a “popular wartime president” well into his second term.
If Obama is elected the Republicans will begin blaming him for not doing anything to address America’s real needs on his second day in office. The words “Obama Recession” will be trumpeted by the unanimous voices of the Right and the results of decades of non-energy policy will be Obama’s fault. The media will enthusiastically play along.
If, on the other hand, McCain is elected he’ll be portrayed by his party as a heroic warrior, battling circumstances that he had absolutely no hand in creating. The press will again enthusiastically play along and the Democratic majority in Congress will be blamed by all for McCain’s failures.
DBrown
Obama has far more States locked up and delegates than McSame. Obama just needs to win two minor or one major ‘tied’ State and take most that are leaning towards him (with leads of 5 – 9%). The election is Obama’s to lose, not McInsane’s to win. Stop the worry.
liberal
Robert Johnson wrote,
Agreed. While I voted for Obama in the primaries (choice at that time was him or Hillary), he’s hardly the ideal candidate.
But, of course, given the choices and circumstances, I support him wholeheartedly.
liberal
jrg wrote,
IIRC studies show that undecideds are the least well-informed part of the electorate. The sad thing is that the press talks about them in implicitly respectful tones.
Some self-criticism here—the pro-choice movement has focussed too much on choice. They/we need to start running ads like “Your daughter has been raped and is now pregnant, but thanks to the Republican Party and the so-called ‘pro-life’ movement, she’s being forced to carry the pregnancy to term.”
Terms like “cosmopolitan” worked well enough for a certain party in a central European country in the 1930s. There’s nothing new under the sun.
I don’t think looking at the rubes is the the most burning question. Rather, as my dad asked, what the hell is wrong with the establishment in this country, that they’re willing to let a complete nutjob attain the presidency? Of course, that’s not really new, either—history is replete with examples of the rich and powerul just caring about their riches, in a very shortsighted way.
JG
The next president must do one thing, and one thing only, if he is to be judged a success: He must prevent Al Qaeda, or a Qaeda imitator, from gaining control of a nuclear device and detonating it in America. Everything else — Fannie Mae, health care reform, energy independence, the budget shortfall in Wasilla, Alaska — is commentary. The nuclear destruction of Lower Manhattan, or downtown Washington, would cause the deaths of thousands, or hundreds of thousands; a catastrophic depression; the reversal of globalization; a permanent climate of fear in the West; and the comprehensive repudiation of America’s culture of civil liberties…
Redhand
No doubt, the prospect is enormously depressing. The second, less quoted part of the famous H.L. Mencken quip comes to mind: “No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”
I don’t see McMaverick changing a fu*king thing in Washingtion. He’s a senile, anger driven nutjob. Palin is a corrupt, creationist clown. If they win, Heaven help us.
liberal
John Cole wrote,
I’m not trying to be snarky here, but given you voted for Bush 43 twice, you probably have better insight into that than the rest of us.
Again, I mean that in a completely non-snarky way. It’s not really possible for me, because I grew up extremely liberal, with very liberal parents. (Their parents weren’t liberal, so maybe they’d have some insight…)
JG
You are an idiot?
Seriously, Hopey is bright and charming and edumacated and makes good speech, but “best qualified presidential candidate in the past 50 years from either party”?
PaulW
If they win, it will be proof there is no God.
It’ll be like that Daily Mirror issue post-election 2004: HOW CAN 59 MILLION PEOPLE BE SO DUMB???
magisterludi
Can’t we just let Alaska secede and negotiate a Christianist state led by Dobson and Palin? Dobson could be the new Moses and lead his people INTO the wilderness where they belong.
I mean, Palin’s preacher said Alaska would be a refuge for the believers in preparation for the End Times, so it’s perfectly logical. Since such Alaskans such as Todd Palin already wish to secede, it won’t be a hard sell. either.
Then we could at last end the war on intellectuals and science and finally catch up to the 21st century. That sounds like Heaven here in the Lower 48.
JG
Say did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary? Seriously, look it up.
charlotte
The ONLY thing that I’ve heard W say that I enjoyed in 8 longs years is this: “When I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible.” Great line … have wondered who wrote it for him.
I sure as hell don’t feel the nation deserves a McCain admin. The right wing has worked hard over a couple of decades now to dumb the population down just enough to keep them in office over and over again. And to hold the rest of us hostage to their ignorance and superstition. Clever lads and lassies, these overseers.
I think it’s going to be close but I don’t believe it’s going to work this time. And I’m starting to think that the folks in charge of our national media operation are also getting nervous about the prospect of these two bozos in the WH, especially this bat-shit crazy up-do queen. She could be difficult to control. They want to live too, don’t they? Self-preservation tends to trump all else. The Rapture only looks good if you’re willing to leave the house in your underwear.
cgp
What the Obama campaign needs to do win:
Hammer how the government continues to spend relentlessly — more than ever, yet education, infrastructure, healthcare, retirement, energy, environment (in the form of the clean air, water, and protection of the species) all have failed to get any better.
Extra points for really getting into what has defined this administation in terms of secrecy and executive power.
Get off experience, character, and morality. It’s an empty issue the Republicans (despite having none of the above) somehow have the corner market on.
Thats the way to win. It will highlight their strengths.
Adrienne
I found this to be *THE* most ridiculous part of the entire RNC convention. Just think about the ridiculosity of Rudy Guiliani – a man on his third wife, who supports gay rights to the point of having lived with gay roommates, and of whom there is VIDEO of him in a dress, and was the mayor of New York Fucking City for God’s sake, who USED to be FUCKING Democrat – ridiculing liberals for being too cosmopolitan.
If I didn’t see it with mine own eyes, I would have thought people were making the shit up. We have the audacity of hope and they have the audacity of boldfaced bullshit. Surprisingly, the latter actually has won more elections than the former.
ksmiami
Got 5 out of 5 more female Obama voters today. Basically, for some Americans, Palins family is a “dream,” for others myself included it is a nightmare. I suggest for other women to pound this idea to other women. Also, go beyond the simple right to an abortion, but the insanity of abstinence only, the fact that most teen marriages end in divorce, etc, etc
Koz
I’ve been waiting for this to start for a while now.
Alec Baldwin and Barbra Streisand have been pulling this stunt for a couple of cycles now, unfortnately they’re still here. Probably most of the people here are too grounded for this game, but for those who supposedly mean it, get your reservations ready.
Ash Can
I liked Mitt Romney whining about East Coast elites, too.
Koz
Thankfully SGEW already has the answer for you, I’d go check it out.
Koz
Try North Korea, they need whatever hard currency they can find. As a bonus, there’s no Christianist theocrats or warmongers (ok, scratch that last one).
Koz
We were going to have a draft by now already if you believe John Kerry. If you don’t want a draft, maybe you should vote Republican.
liberal
charlotte wrote,
I’m a little sympathetic to this view, but we really need to start assuming that people are agents and are responsible for their own actions.
While there’s many things to dislike about what’s gone on in the US, the fact is that, by historical standards, the US is an extremely free, open, and wealthy society.
There’s really no reason these people can’t learn, other than their own stupidity.
liberal
ksmiami wrote,
Why not stick to a much simpler message? If Sarah Palin had her way, and your daughter were brutally raped, she’d be forced to carry the pregnancy to term.
liberal
Koz wrote,
Nah. We’re staying. You really think we’re going to let a bunch of petty, fascist thugs like yourself lay waste to this great nation without a fight?
Gus
Wow, that’s really pessimistic.
Gus
Cue Koz to prove Jess’ point.
LanceThruster
“Catch-22 means that people have the right to do to you anything that you cannot prevent them from doing to you.” ~ Joseph Heller
Tlaloc
Someone check the MSDS on koolaide, this dose might be fatal.
TenguPhule
Corrected.
Koz
They used to say a racist was a conservative winning an argument with a liberal. Apparently a fascist is the same thing.
ksmiami
Good Liberal, and What has John McCain accomplished in his 26 years? Getting himself re-elected.
WAKE UP AMERICA
The Populist
Nicole:
Check here: http://www.suntimes.com/business/savage/1030942,CST-FIN-terry30.savagearticle
Rome Again
Yes, he is not driven by greed or a hunger for power, but instead by a sense of duty.
Splitting Image
I thought the fascist was the liberal.
binzinerator
Win.