The Introduction

They look good together, and Biden looks like he is having the time of his life. I sort of ignored all the babble about the happy warrior last night, but there really might be something to it. they look good together. The other thing is that Biden is a good enough of a speaker that he doesn’t seem completely over-shadowed after hearing Obama. I doubt Kaine and others could have accomplished that.

And I really do not think it can be underestimated how much the beltway boys love Biden. The Matthews/Russert/Imus axis of loudmouth love the guy, and that isn’t a knock on Biden.

*** Update ***

“Which of the seven kitchen tables to sit at…”- Biden is already sticking it to them. The other thing that is great about this is that Biden may be just the right guy to goad the wingnuts and McCain into a volcanic eruption, which will be fun simply for the sheer entertainment value.

*** Update #2 ***

Not sure when this happened, but Chris Matthews and John McCain broke up. Matthews is all pissed off about McCain’s campaign tactics the last few months. He is making Olbermann look positively… non-partisan. From a talking head perspective, Biden is a great choice, it appears.

*** Update #3 ***

Harold Ford, who has not once paused from stepping on the neck of his own party for the past six months, is positively GUSHING about Biden as VP.






126 replies
  1. 1
    dmsilev says:

    “John McCain will have to figure out which of his seven kitchen tables to sit at.”

    Win.

    -dms

  2. 2
    rob! says:

    Sen. McCain, that uneasy feeling you have as you watch Obama and Biden talk is the presidency slipping away from you.

    oh, and the kitchen table crack probably makes your ass bleed. have a nice weekend!

  3. 3
    dr. bloor says:

    “My friends, Senator Biden’s comment about kitchen tables is unseemly and utterly without basis in fact. In fact, neither Cindy nor I have ever been in any of our kitchens.”

  4. 4
    phobos says:

    Finally, high level snark with a USSS detail.

    Works for me.

  5. 5

    It will be, my friends, it will be. Heh.

  6. 6
    dmsilev says:

    I like Chris Matthew’s first reaction to the speech: “Biden married McCain to Bush, and McCain will be looking for a divorce as soon as possible”

    -dms

  7. 7
    jnfr says:

    I’m enjoying every minute of this.

  8. 8
    zuzu's petals says:

    I only caught the very last part of Biden’s speech, but wow, did he end it on a high note.

  9. 9
    Michael D. says:

    Biden may be just the right guy to goad the wingnuts and McCain into a volcanic eruption

    Heh. I was thinking the exact same thing. If anyone will piss McCain off enough to explode, it’s Biden. Biden’s a guy who says just enought to piss you off, then leaves it there.

    I loved this event today. If I was unsure about him before, I’m not now.

  10. 10
    mellowjohn says:

    to say that deciding which of his kitchen tables to sit at is a problem for john w. mcsame, a former p.o.w., is outrageous.

  11. 11
    Karmakin says:

    You know…

    There’s nothing wrong with fun. There’s nothing wrong with entertainment value. It’s what gets people interested, what gets people hopping. I agree. Biden in this role is going to be a WHOLE lot of fun.

  12. 12
    PeterJ says:

    Goldfarb:

    “During McCain’s time as a POW he was locked up in a room smaller than a kitchen cupboard, after he came home he vowed never to enter a kitchen.
    This is a disgusting attack on McCain’s time as a POW and since they now have brought up kitchens we are now in our right to throw the kitchen sink at both of them.”

  13. 13
    Dreggas says:

    All I can say is America….FUCK YEAH!

  14. 14
    Thom says:

    Um. Russert’s not such a loudmouth anymore, y’know?

  15. 15
    smiley says:

    Someone please revoke Davis Gregory’s pundit license and make him go back to being a “straight reporter”.

  16. 16
    barkleyg says:

    “Biden may be just the right guy to goad the wingnuts and McCain into a volcanic eruption”

    With Obama trying to run a positive campaign, and getting his ass handed to him in the process, I have been hoping that the Obama camp feels that it has a “button question”, that they know that McSHAME will go off on. Let the public see the “infamous temper” for themselves. I was hoping it would happen during the Presidential debates.

    But, what the heck. If Biden knows how to push that button, let him push it early, and let him push it over and over again.

  17. 17
    Tim (The Other One) says:

    Powerful looking quartet (Obamas/Bidens) on that staircase.

    Looks like the future.

  18. 18
    Kris says:

    Despise Harold Ford Jr.

    John, he only praised Biden not Obama. I hate hate hate him.

  19. 19
    fledermaus says:

    but mccain didn’t have any kitchen tables when he was a POW!

  20. 20
    Davis X. Machina says:

    Harold’s pissed because Obama, not him, is going to make the history books.

    It was his job, the first black president, and he’s pissed.

  21. 21
    zuzu's petals says:

    But, what the heck. If Biden knows how to push that button, let him push it early, and let him push it over and over again.

    The best part being that Biden, unlike the McCainers, can do it with wit and intelligence instead of meanspirited pettiness.

  22. 22
    demkat620 says:

    Harold Ford, who has not once paused from stepping on the neck of his own party for the past six months, is positively GUSHING about Biden as VP.

    Harold’s looking for work. With any luck the racket the DLC has been running will be shut down in a couple of months.

  23. 23
    wasabi gasp says:

    Someone please revoke Davis Gregory’s pundit license and make him go back to being a “straight reporter”.

    Given the non-response, it seemed as though even Chris Matthews tuned Gregory out sometime during Gregory’s long string of words.

  24. 24
    Warren Terra says:

    A Winning comment from one of hilzoy’s threads: where are the people lining up to see Biden’s birth certificate?

  25. 25
    Dug Jay says:

    It would appear that Cole’s comment earlier today about the folks at Talk Left may have been right on. Here’s an excerpt from one of their comments on the Obama/Biden appearance:

    3:10 pm EDT -Pretty typical event. Not particularly interesting or exciting. The event seems flat to me. Obama’s intro is kind of weak to boot. Not great so far. Maybe when Biden gets his chance to praise Obama the excitement level will go up.

  26. 26
    Ninerdave says:

    Gregory good reporters, horrible pundit.

  27. 27
    LiberalTarian says:

    Someone please revoke Davis Gregory’s pundit license and make him go back to being a “straight reporter”.

    Heh. Is he now gay??? 6’5″ of delightfully gay pundit?

  28. 28
    A.Political says:

    Glad to see you guys (America) coming back to the table, congrats and best of luck in November.

  29. 29
    Bly says:

    “Not sure when this happened, but Chris Matthews and John McCain broke up.”

    HAH! John always makes me laugh.

    Also loved KO on the tevee, when he referred to “classic Biden”, endorsing McCain the man, the friend, the patriot; and then turning and hitting him over the head with a table leg.

  30. 30
    Brian says:

    As I said earlier today, if Biden simply gets the ticket better coverage from people like Matthews, he’ll be an incredible asset to the ticket.

  31. 31
    ThymeZone says:

    This contest is over. Biden is just what we need. He is already kicking ass and taking names, and he has the chops and the gravitas to make it stick.

    Life is good.

  32. 32
    Richardson says:

    When a guy known for verbal gaffes makes his first one on the VP trail by calling his runningmate “Barack America” you gotta see that as a good sign.

    Barack America – best superhero ever!

  33. 33
    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    I’m not a religious man but I’m praying for McCain to pick Romney every night before I go to bed.

  34. 34
    Punchy says:

    The punchy one-liners just write themselves…

    DLC: 2008 — Obama’s Biden back!

    RNC: 2008 — Obama Biden off more than he can chew?

    Just Biden time….

  35. 35
    Ninerdave says:

    I know I’m extremely biased, but the McCain surrogates seem pretty flustered on MSNBC.

  36. 36
    HumboldtBlue says:

    Harold Ford managed once again to come across as confused and seemingly cluless.

    Biden did damn well, and to echo from above, I really admired that quartet standing on the stage. Real-life human beings. Real-life moms and dads. Real-life American success stories.

    Will someone please stick something, anyting, in Mike Barnicle’s eye. he consistently brings up talking points he states are what “average Americans” think and believe, when it’s really just more talking heads insider crap.

    David Gregory is even worse.

    I’m going to go sit at my kitchen table and read more about John Adams. I only have one table. It’s easy to find and serves its purpose well. I won’t even have to club anyone over the head with one its legs either.

  37. 37
    Trinity says:

    Harold Ford is a tool.

    That is all.

  38. 38
    Dulcie says:

    “Not sure when this happened, but Chris Matthews and John McCain broke up.”

    It’s the Irish-Catholic connection between Matthews and Biden.

  39. 39
    Richardson says:

    Not sure when this happened, but Chris Matthews and John McCain broke up.

    OK that is just freaking funny…and like all things funny, it’s funny because it’s true.

  40. 40
    zoe from pittsburgh says:

    Out of all the people Obama could have chosen I think Biden is the best, strongest choice. After seeing them together they both seem like happy warriors and sort of have an unbeatable air about them. (Not that the dems should get overconfident.)

    Biden is smart, articulate (hehe) and actually has a sense of humor that doesn’t make you cringe. Not to mention that he has the goods on McCain and will likely say many things that will piss ’em off, prompting McCain’s jeckyl side. He can criticize McCain like no one else, as someone who REALLY REALLY knows him.

  41. 41
    ThymeZone says:

    Harold Ford managed once again to come across as confused and seemingly cluless.

    Harold is not the ripest peach in the fruit basket.

    He is not the strongest adhesive on the glue bench.

    Harold is not the freshest maguro in the sushi cooler.

  42. 42
    Joshua Norton says:

    I’m praying for McCain to pick Romney every night before I go to bed.

    So isn’t K Lo, but for all the wrong reasons.

    I’m more convinced this morning it will be Romney. Romney can take Biden, and will be a happy warrior doing so.

    He’ll be a happy warrior if he isn’t out huntin’ varmints – or what he decides his persona is going to be on that particular day.

  43. 43
    lampwick says:

    Biden as VP leaves an open seat in Delaware.

    Since the state seems to appreciate loudmouths, maybe Chris Matthews should try his Senate run there.

  44. 44
    Koz says:

    Gotta love this one. The added strength Biden adds to the ticket maxes out at zero (but the bottom is looooonnng way down).

    The good news for the D’s is that this pick mostly doesn’t matter. McCain’s pick matters a lot more and I don’t see many good choices for him.

  45. 45
    phobos says:

    I know I’m extremely biased, but the McCain surrogates seem pretty flustered on MSNBC.

    I flipped over to FOX a few times. They’re deeply in RNC direct-to-teleprompter mode more than usual.

    That’s probably a good sign.

  46. 46
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    Will someone please stick something, anyting, in Mike Barnicle’s eye. he consistently brings up talking points he states are what “average Americans” think and believe

    If could die happy if somebody, just once, would respond to one of our pundits blathering on about what “average Americans” think by asking them:

    “well you obviously aren’t one of those average Americans, and you wouldn’t be caught dead socializing with any of them or shopping in a Walmart, so how the fuck do you know what they think? ! !”

  47. 47
    ThymeZone says:

    Romney can take Biden

    At what? Citations from the Book of Mormon?

    Romney is a complete idiot.

  48. 48
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    If could I could

    as in: “I could die even happier if some day I acquired the ability to proofread my own comments and fix the typos before posting them.”

  49. 49
    stevie314159 says:

    Chris Matthews has the look of a guy who’s going to run against Arlen Spector.

    Just around the time Spector’s cancer came back this Spring, Matthews really started hitting Bush and McCain hard, and stopped hitting Hillary. I think he’s been talking to his pal Eddie Rendell.

  50. 50
    Xenos says:

    Romney is actually quite smart and within his business specialty one of the most accomplished. Since that business specialty is raping labor, cheating consumers, and skimming profits away from shareholders, it does not give him much popular support.

    Remember the flood of ephedra weight-loss aids that killed so many people a few years ago? One of Romney’s greatest hits.

  51. 51

    Somehow I don’t think that it will be Mittens. McCain is unlikely to pick anyone whom he doesn’t see as a buddy – and he dislikes Romney. Romney brings little to the ticket and he was such a lackluster campaigner that despite spending a boatload of his own money he managed to finish with exactly seven more delegates than Huckabee (274-267).

  52. 52
    trollhattan says:

    God yes–please, oh please let it be McMittens! I’m picturing the cartoons with McCain strapped to the top of the Romney station wagon, goin’ on va-cay.

    More “Romney rising” headlines from baby ManBoobs, I’ve missed those too.

    Has Malkin prepared a spreadsheet delineating the types of countertops in the various McCain kitchens? America deserves to know.

  53. 53
    Delia says:

    Xenos Says:

    Romney is actually quite smart and within his business specialty one of the most accomplished.

    You’re right. And this also explains why he’s so shitty as a politician. A CEO isn’t accountable for anything but the bottom line (and today I’m not even sure if that’s true.) He comes across as phony because except for a brief period as governor he hasn’t had to care what people think.

  54. 54
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    And I really do not think it can be underestimated how much the beltway boys love Biden. The Matthews/Russert/Imus axis of loudmouth love the guy, and that isn’t a knock on Biden.

    It’s the American Irish Catholic nonsense, which to this observer with German-Scots-Protestant pre-Revolutionary War roots in Pennsylvania and the Shenandoah Valley, pretty fucking hard to bear when they start eulogizing themselves as the most quintessential American things evah.

  55. 55
    Dawg says:

    Joey B. it’s time to take down Mr. Cindy McCain!!

  56. 56
    phobos says:

    McCain’s pick matters a lot more and I don’t see many good choices for him.

    That’s a tough one. His BFF Tom Ridge is pro-choice, and Mitt has managed to raise documentable flip-flopping to absurd levels–even for Republicans.

    I still think it’s going to be Ridge.

  57. 57
    Billy K says:

    If Imus, Matthews and Ford agree on something, I’ve got to knee-jerk against it.

    As much as I’m an ObmamBot, I’ll never forgive the Senator from MBNA for his vote on the bankruptcy bill.

    Never.

  58. 58
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    And just to be clear, all the immigrants to America came for various noble and historical reasons. The Irish came to eat.

  59. 59
    smiley says:

    I just can’t believe (but I can hope) that McCain will pick Romney. Just imagine: two sons of privilege (son/grandson of admirals and son of a governor) vs. two sons of the middle class (son of a single, at-times-food-stamp-using single mother and the son of a car salesman). He’ll have to pick someone from a humble background — if he can find one in the republican party.

  60. 60
    John Cole says:

    It’s the American Irish Catholic nonsense, which to this observer with German-Scots-Protestant pre-Revolutionary War roots in Pennsylvania and the Shenandoah Valley, pretty fucking hard to bear when they start eulogizing themselves as the most quintessential American things evah.

    I hear you. One side of my family came to America as a Hessian soldier here to put down that little insurgency. My grandmother, a quaker from Baltimore, hated Catholics and those who practiced mass-like stuff (“damned high church nonsense”) and probably would have been more comfortable with me entering into a gay marriage with a jewish transexual than me marrying a catholic girl.

  61. 61
    Jake says:

    Somehow I don’t think that it will be Mittens. McCain is unlikely to pick anyone whom he doesn’t see as a buddy – and he dislikes Romney.

    Well, with good reason. Romney’s a douchebag. I suspect McCain despises him, because when he looks at Romney, he sees himself.

  62. 62
    Jake says:

    Meanwhile, CNN plays up the nonsense about Hillary’s supporters being outraged. Why? Because Obama didn’t even make a show of seriously considering her for VP. Jesus fucking Christ, these people have absolutely no point of reference.

  63. 63
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    My grandmother, a quaker from Baltimore, hated Catholics

    I don’t have any special animosity for Catholics outside of them being another major religion failing to correct the ills of the world but lining their pockets spectacularly.

    The Irish, OTOH.. Jesus, where to start?

  64. 64
    Tzal says:

    I guess McCain can’t pick someone he ran against, given how he is now using Biden’s words against Obama. Although this sort of crap happens every cycle.

    And I am pretty sure Obama considered Hillary, he just didn’t need to vet her anymore than he did during the never-ending primary. It’s not like he wasn’t doing oppo research.

    As far as Romney goes, and I still think/hope he is on the top of the McCain’s list, I can’t wait for the debate. I really, really hope he accuses Biden of being liberal or something. To which Biden can defend liberal positions like health care, social security, etc., and then proceed to remind America of Romney’s liberal positions on gay marriage and choice which he conveniently abandoned.

  65. 65
    Rome Again says:

    Harold is not the freshest maguro in the sushi cooler.

    Ooooh, maguro, can we go get some more? That WAS yummy! And the sake was absolutely delightful.

    As someone from DE, I was sort of apprehensive about this pick. I grew up enmeshed in the corporate DE structure and I was nervous about Biden’s corporate connections. I like him personally, always have, since I was 10 and he became my senator, but, I just worry that he’ll bring more corporate importance to Washington than mom and pop issues. If he fights for the little guy, I’m happy with this choice.

  66. 66
    Dug Jay says:

    Carly Fiorina is likely going to be McCain’s choice.

  67. 67
    Hubris says:

    Rightward sites seem to be showing panic sweat. Example: Not rich enough.

  68. 68
    Prince Roy says:

    The good news for the D’s is that this pick mostly doesn’t matter. McCain’s pick matters a lot more and I don’t see many good choices for him.

    I agree. I don’t think Biden was a good choice, but McCain is the one in the hole.

  69. 69
    Hubris says:

    Example #2 (and I like Allah): Rebukes too witty.

  70. 70
    Rome Again says:

    My grandmother, a quaker from Baltimore, hated Catholics

    I had Maryland (Caroline and Talbot County) Quakers on my maternal grandmother’s side and Baltimore Catholics on my maternal grandfather’s side. My maternal grandparents ended up becoming Delawarean Episcopalians.

  71. 71
    Jay says:

    I heard somewhere that Hillary, in a sloppy attempt to regain the black vote, tried to name Harold Ford her running mate while she was still in the race and losing badly. Wouldn’t suprise me.

  72. 72
    gbear says:

    And I am pretty sure Obama considered Hillary, he just didn’t need to vet her anymore than he did during the never-ending primary. It’s not like he wasn’t doing oppo research.

    Wasn’t the reason for not vetting Hillary the fact that the Obama campaign would have to vet Bill too and he wouldn’t let them?

  73. 73
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    I think for most folks, the surprising thing about the Biden pick is to find out there a state named Delaware.

  74. 74
    Laura W says:

    HALP ME PLEASE!
    The freakin’ power went out here at 11:45am, as it does monthly. I went to a friends to shower and watch the unveil, but lo and behold, they have apparently disconnected their cable tv stuff AND fucked up their wireless access which used to work for me. No tv. No internet. I did manage to shower up there so one thing went right.

    Power just came on back home. Two hours “earlier” than expected. CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE I CAN WATCH THE JOYFEST EITHER ON TV OR ONLINE FROM START TO FINISH? I’ve done a fast utube search, Obama’s site search, and Cspan. Nada. I am only +1 on the Ketel One Citroen and Diet Tonic, but I’ve been twitching since 11:45 y’all. The more I drink the twitchier I will get until my deep Obama/Biden live in Springfield thirst is quenched. Help a womanfolk out, pleeeeeeeeeeease.

  75. 75
    Rome Again says:

    I think for most folks, the surprising thing about the Biden pick is to find out there a state named Delaware.

    Too bad you are just learning about it now. Being born and raised there means I had an advantage, apparently.

  76. 76

    Hubris Says:

    Rightward sites seem to be showing panic sweat. Example: Not rich enough.

    That link is hilarious. Talk about “panic fire,” they’re assailing Obama for being an elitist and Biden for not being elite enough. Next up: How can you trust a Senator who only has one home and lives on his salary?

  77. 77
    Laura W says:

    I’m an idiot.
    Just found it on CNN.
    Backing out the way I came in now.
    Lord help me if this happens on Nomination Speech night or election night.

  78. 78
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Too bad you are just learning about it now.

    Not me, dammit. I’m 1) fucking brilliant and 2) live in the delmarva region.

  79. 79
    KRK says:

    Laura W, it’s here.

  80. 80
    Rome Again says:

    Not me, dammit. I’m 1) fucking brilliant and 2) live in the delmarva region.

    Would that be Mar close to Baltimore/DC, or VA close to “slower” DE?

  81. 81
    w vincentz says:

    @ Laura W.
    I’d be more than pleased to help you out.
    Come on over and have the next shower at my place. I have soap and a nice scrubbie thing. Heck, I even have towels.
    Hope to see ya soon.

  82. 82
    KRK says:

    John Cole Says:

    One side of my family came to America as a Hessian soldier here to put down that little insurgency.

    Um, doesn’t that make you an anti-American anchor great-great-…-grandbaby?

  83. 83
    tarrah begone says:

    Who cares about Mittens? I want Lieberman. Please let it be Lieberman. A Biden/Lieberman debate would be a sight to behold. Biden with his son deploying to Iraq against chickenhawk JoeNoMomentum.

  84. 84
    Brachiator says:

    Just Some Fuckhead Says:

    And just to be clear, all the immigrants to America came for various noble and historical reasons. The Irish came to eat.

    We’re all very different people. We’re not Watusi, we’re not Spartans, we’re Americans. With a capital “A”, huh? And you know what that means? Do you? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We’re the underdog. We’re mutts.

    — John Winger (Bill Murray), Stripes

  85. 85
    Rome Again says:

    We’re all very different people. We’re not Watusi, we’re not Spartans, we’re Americans. With a capital “A”, huh? And you know what that means? Do you? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We’re the underdog. We’re mutts.

    That’s not true. My Scottish ancestor came here for the land grants. He could have returned to Scotland. My English ancestors were peripherally part of the royal bloodline, I don’t think they’d be considered unwelcomed if they decided to return either. My French Huegenot and German Palatinate ancestors, however, would fall under that category.

  86. 86
    Tzal says:

    Carly Fiorina is likely going to be McCain’s choice.

    I sure hope so. She has absolutely zero experience in government, and her executive experience at HP was an abject failure pockmarked with massive layoffs and decimated stock value. Nobody calls her on it when she does her talking head schtick, but she won’t be able to get away with it if she were to join the McCain ticket. And she’s pro-choice, so goodbye base.

    Come to think of it, I highly doubt that McCain would choose her.

  87. 87
    Martin says:

    Biden helps enormously. Everyone is focusing on his foreign policy cred, which does help, but Biden is a family man that takes the train to work and lives in a normal house and speaks bluntly. Don’t underestimate how well he can tie Obama’s message to the people that historically voted Democrat and might be unsure about Obama. Biden wins the swing states. I don’t think McCain can counter in his VP pick, and McCain himself can’t.

    This really is a good team and not just for campaigning but for leading the nation as well.

    FWIW, my Catholic Irish family came to get away from the Brits. My great xN grandfather joined the Union army shortly after they landed in NY at the start of the war (was probably the only job he could get). What followed was a long line of public service members – military, police, fire, nurses, that lasts to this day. (9/11 was quite a family crisis with upwards of a dozen family members involved in one way or another.) Nobody cares about religion or ethnicity in politics in my family anymore except for my grandparents generation, and there’s virtually none of them left. But if you want the respect of anyone in my family, you better be willing to get your hands dirty and work your ass off and you better be able to demonstrate why society is better off by your presence. Anyone who is too good to dig ditches or thinks they are a hard worker because they made themselves rich and never helped anyone can go fuck themselves. My family survived because they banded together and supported each other.

    Don’t know how many houses you own? Done. There is no recovery from that kind of statement because it shows that you don’t pay your own bills and don’t know the value of money or work.

  88. 88
    FLILF Hunter says:

    Carly Fiorina is likely going to be McCain’s choice.

    Oh, please let it be so. Fired by HP’s board of directors with a $21M golden parachute. It’ll be the suits versus the dungarees.

    Bring it.

  89. 89
    LiberalTarian says:

    I had enough family in this country during the Rev War to have a great-grandpa die in prison as a loyalist and others who fought against the Brits. Not hard, just had to have some ancestors who were Huguenots from France and some Baptist minister ilk from England. Neither were particularly safe in their home countries!

  90. 90
    KRK says:

    Even if he really wants to, I can’t see McCain (or his handlers) going with a “daring” choice like Fiorina or Whitman (or Jindal or Huckabee) because it’s not a Quayle situation; McCain’s VP will have a much better than average chance of having to step into the presidency, even if only temporarily, due McCain having health problems at some point in the next four years.

  91. 91
    Kevin says:

    I don’t have any special animosity for Catholics outside of them being another major religion failing to correct the ills of the world but lining their pockets spectacularly.

    The Irish, OTOH.. Jesus, where to start?

    What about them? Both of my parents were born there.

  92. 92
    Socraticsilence says:

    Carly Fiorina, awesome, the one choice that would make Mitt look like a man of the people, (hey some might buy a succuessful CEO, but a failed CEO– who isn’t named Bush), man Carly would make me want to re-fight FISA, I mean good god, casn you imagine the debate where she argued the wiretaps would be limited and Biden pointed out she went all Kissinger on her own employees, seriously, other than beign a Woman what is the case for Fiorina, and if McCain needs a woman why her over Palin, or Christine Todd-Whitman, or hell Kay Bailey Hutchinson?

  93. 93
    Sleeper says:

    Tzal Says:

    Carly Fiorina is likely going to be McCain’s choice.

    I sure hope so. She has absolutely zero experience in government, and her executive experience at HP was an abject failure pockmarked with massive layoffs and decimated stock value.

    Actually she came up in a TL thread not too long ago, and when someone mentioned that she helped drive HP into the ground the PUMAs screamed that she was actually brilliant and her termination was just another case of the old boys network unable to tolerate a smart women who stood up to them, or something.

    I think the pro-choice thing scotches her chances more than her other huge drawbacks. McCain might pick a woman, and he might pick a pro-choice VP, but not both.

  94. 94
    Tom says:

    Carly Fiorina, awesome, the one choice that would make Mitt look like a man of the people, (hey some might buy a succuessful CEO, but a failed CEO—who isn’t named Bush),

    And a Democratic VP who wouldn’t shy away from bashing her for her failure…inspired.

    Also, maybe she could chat some more about health insurance, and coverage of Viagra versus birth control. Let’s see if McCain remembers a position on this topic.

    On the other hand:

    and if McCain needs a woman why her over Palin, or Christine Todd-Whitman, or hell Kay Bailey Hutchinson?

    Palin: currently deeply involved in her very own scandal. See TPM for details.

    Whitman: GOP voters would go ape-sh*t.

    Hutchinson…Eh…

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    Brachiator says:

    Rome Again Says:

    We’re all very different people. We’re not Watusi, we’re not Spartans, we’re Americans. With a capital “A”, huh? And you know what that means? Do you? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We’re the underdog. We’re mutts.

    That’s not true. My Scottish ancestor came here for the land grants. He could have returned to Scotland. My English ancestors were peripherally part of the royal bloodline, I don’t think they’d be considered unwelcomed if they decided to return either. My French Huegenot and German Palatinate ancestors, however, would fall under that category.

    The quote is from a comedy film, dude. It’s not meant to be a definitive statement about history. But the sentiment is true enough in many ways.

    The Puritans didn’t come to America for noble reasons. They were kicked out of England because no one could stand their arrogant intolerance of other religions, and they later left Holland because they could not stand to be around people who actually tolerated them, but expected them to be respectful of others.

    Parts of Georgia and other states were penal colonies meant to soak up the refuse of England. The Revolutionary War queered that deal, and the Brits later had to make do with Australia.

    Connections to the English royal bloodline became suspect after the Revolution, and were rendered irrelevant (except to those addicted to snobbery) when the Constitution put an end to the idea of hereditary titles.

    A colleague, a very pious and upright Christian, had to re-examine a lot of his assumptions when he learned that his grandmother came from Spain to America alone, without friends or connections and was for a time, a whore, pure and simple. But she did not allow herself to be reduced or defined by her circumstances. Her temperament did not allow her to accept the “destiny” laid out for her by her family in her home country, nor did she allow herself to be dismissed as a “fallen woman” in her adopted homeland.

    No matter how you slice it, part of the reality of America is that it is made up of lots of people of all races, genders and class who were told by somebody somewhere, “You ain’t nuthin’,” and whose reply was simply, “Just watch me.”

    This makes it all the more astonishing that McCain and the GOP Smear machine would try to diminish Obama’s life as representing elitism, and it makes Biden’s selection as Obama’s running mate an stinging rebuke to the Republican shit slingers.

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    Hutchinson…Eh…

    Grandma and Grandpa ’08!
    McCain/Hutchison: 137 Years of Experience!

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Would that be Mar close to Baltimore/DC, or VA close to “slower” DE?

    The latter.

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    Rome Again says:

    Brachiator, you do know I’m female?

    I realize it was a comedy film. I also realize what you say is true. I’m just stating not all of our ancestors were mutts. As for the royal bloodline, my English ancestors came here before the Revolution to farm tobacco.

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    I think Obama and Biden compliment each other very well, and both come from the ‘common man’ roots. They look good together on the stage, and they each have their own style of speaking and communication. Barack is the ‘new kid on the block’ in politics, and Joe has been on the hill long enough to know all of the ins and outs of Washington politics. That knowledge will be helpful to Obama as he is gathering information on how to get something done.

    That does not mean that Obama would do whatever Biden says, but rather he would use the ‘Washington political insider’ Biden provides to help find a way to accomplish what he wants. Obama has already made it clear that he will be the leader, but he will lead with advice from the best minds he can assemble. Biden is one of those minds, and Obama intends on having him as a close adviser.

    Biden came out swinging today, and while I do not expect him to be gaffe free throughout the election, I believe that in the end he will be a net positive by a large margin. If Obama is perceived (incorrectly, IMO) to be an ‘elitist’, there is no way in hell that Biden could be considered one.

    One thing that Biden did that irritated me to no end is that he voted for the bankruptcy bill, but after reading around I have softened my anger a bit. The credit card companies base out of Delaware, and while I vehemently disagree with his vote I do realize that at least Joe was representing his ‘constituents’. The other Democrats who voted for the bill don’t have that cover…lol ;)

    Overall, good choice and I think this is going to be an interesting election. Definitely one for the history books, that’s for sure.

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    Napoleon says:

    Biden was a great choice. I can go to bed happy tonight. I can’t wait to see him beat the shit out of whoever McBush picks in their debate.

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    Laura W says:

    Thanks very much, KRK.
    (And you too, w vincentz?)
    Twitching less…should be fully stopped by the time KO is done.

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    Laura W says:

    Twitching less…should be fully stopped by the time KO is done.

    I am so fucked today.
    Just starting: The Second Hour of Hardball.
    Consolation prize: Maddow is on!

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    gil mann says:

    Okay, who’s doing makeup at MSNBC? Rachel Maddow looks like Jon Stewart.

    A good omen in its own little way, but c’mon, I finally have proprietary feelings towards a TV pundit. Don’t be ghastlifyin’ her.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Okay, who’s doing makeup at MSNBC? Rachel Maddow looks like Jon Stewart.

    A good omen in its own little way, but c’mon, I finally have proprietary feelings towards a TV pundit. Don’t be ghastlifyin’ her.

    I think she may be dollin’ up for a different demographic.

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    Delia says:

    Keith said he was going to be on today. No such luck. At least Tweety seems sane today. Just did a good interview with Bill Richardson. The Irish Catholic thing must really be strong. Don’t know about it first hand. I’m a depressive Scandinavian.

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    Mylegacy says:

    Barack Biden & Joe Obama: Looks like a great team!

    McSame’s got a bit of bother. Select Rommney and the real Xians go nuts and Biden cuts Mitt’s heart out and Mitt’s vicious attacks on McCain during the primaries give us weeks of fun, or Nobody#1 and or Nobody#2 yawn 1 and yawn 2… or go for Huckelberry give up on the independents and next January hold a prayer meeting in Alabama to ask God – “Where did it all go so wrong?”

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    Laura W says:

    Delia Says:
    At least Tweety seems sane today.

    Spoke too soon. He’s getting high sniffing kitchen linoleum.
    WHERE’S KEITH?

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    Laertes says:

    Can the Vice President also hold a cabinet post? Can Obama nominate his VP to serve as SecState?

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Can the Vice President also hold a cabinet post? Can Obama nominate his VP to serve as SecState?

    Condoleeza Rice has so thoroughly devalued the office of Secretary of State they can just leave it unfilled when she sails off to her AEI post.

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    gbear says:

    Can the Vice President also hold a cabinet post? Can Obama nominate his VP to serve as SecState?

    I think that if that were possible, Cheney would have taken over half of the positions by now.

    In Minnesota, Tim Pawlenty was able to appoint his Lieutenant Governor to be the head of the Department of Transportation. We found out last August how well that worked.

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    Laura W says:

    Is Pat Buchannan the President of PUMA?
    He and Hillary need to just go get a room.
    +4 in NC

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    OriGuy says:

    Carly had nothing to do with the pretexting (not wiretapping) scandal; that was her successor, Patricia Dunn. Carly was just incompetent. The stock price went from 45 to 20 during her tenure; it’s finally back in the high 40s. I doubt there are any current or former HP employees who would be more inclined to vote Republican if she is on the ticket.
    I’m an HP employee via Compaq and Tandem, speaking for myself only.

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    Delia says:

    Shuster is now interviewing pundits on Hillary supporters, on what it will take to bring them round. Some idiot says “Maybe women just need more time to heal than men.” No one will come out and say PUMA is a GOP front organization” (to put it FCC-acceptable language.)

    Now he’s done. I’ve got to turn this damn TV off and go do something else.

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    Brachiator says:

    Rome Again Says:

    Brachiator, you do know I’m female?

    I use “dude” without regard to gender. I blame the ongoing influence of The Big Lebowski for this.

    I realize it was a comedy film. I also realize what you say is true. I’m just stating not all of our ancestors were mutts.

    Point noted. Of course, someone with Scottish, English, French Huegenot and German Palatinate ancestors might meet most people’s working definition of “mutt.”

    gbear Says:

    Can the Vice President also hold a cabinet post? Can Obama nominate his VP to serve as SecState?

    I think that if that were possible, Cheney would have taken over half of the positions by now.

    There have been a number of stories suggesting that Cheney runs his own foreign policy shop. And a 2007 NBC story noted

    But there’s no question Cheney is wary of advice that comes from the State Department. We were talking about the first Gulf War — certain things the State Department did — and he referred to “State Department-types” and “State Department-type advice” with obvious disdain in his voice.

    The irony here is that the best people in the State Department have been right about various foreign policy issues while Cheney has been spectacularly wrong.

    Instead of Biden taking on State duties in addition to serving as VP, Obama could benefit from having someone like Bill Richardson serve as Secretary of State.

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    rikyrah says:

    Dark Sith Ford is mad as hell. It was supposed to be HIM…

    But, Barack Obama ‘stole’ it from him.

    Ford picked the wrong horse, and is trying to scramble to stay relevant.

    Co-sign with those who can’t stand David Gregory. Best thing about the Olympics was not seeing him everyday.

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    AnneLaurie says:

    Romney is actually quite smart and within his business specialty one of the most accomplished. Since that business specialty is raping labor, cheating consumers, and skimming profits away from shareholders, it does not give him much popular support.

    That’s ‘smart’ and ‘accomplished’ in the judas goat sense. Since he didn’t wanna go back to Teh Heartland after his exciting missionary stint in Paris and heady introduction to the WASPY New England high life (pink golf slacks printed with lime-green whales — daring!), Willard looked around at his Harvard Business School classmates and brilliantly discovered his career niche as a figurehead. The Mormon ‘stakes bishops’ (Romney has served in that position himself) are forever looking for a good place to stash the mandatory tithes from their humble hard-working congregations, and Romney was a lot more palatable than his fellow Joo Yark / Wall Street vulture capitalists. The fact that the working- and middle-class Mormons were paying Romney to take their money and use it to destroy the companies that kept their families and communities afloat is just one of those delicious historical ironies.

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    The fact that the working- and middle-class Mormons were paying Romney to take their money and use it to destroy the companies that kept their families and communities afloat is just one of those delicious historical ironies.

    Nothing like paying someone to slit your throat and knowing you will go to heaven because you are doing what God wants!

    I have dealt with people from many religions in my lifetime, and I learned long ago that most Mormons are ‘jack Mormons’ when it comes to personal things. I have never met an honest Mormon in my life. Just about every single one of them were involved in some financial scam. My old roomie was happy to let me grow weed, but only as long as he got a cut of the cash…lol! Very church centered family, but money was what they lived for. Several Uncles and other family members were in some trouble about some scam in Boise, Idaho. I co-managed an apartment complex with a Mormon couple, and the husband ripped off a bunch of retiree’s money in his ‘business investment’ (a car wash). He ran off after the law caught up with him about another child he had out of wedlock in Texas, but he made sure to take the rest of the loot and leave everyone with the bills (including his wife).

    Sorry, no sympathy for Mormons here. I am sure that there are good ones out there, but I have not met them yet. But I will always be polite to them, it is the least I can do.

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    Blue Raven says:

    The Irish have been coming to the United States since it was a batch of colonies. “Only came here to eat” is horseshit. Why not just call us a pack of dirty micks while you’re at it?

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    I am Irish, German and French (must mean I am a whiskey, beer and wine drinking cheese-eating surrender monkey!), and if my descendants came here to eat, more power to them!

    They were the smart ones. ;)

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    I’m 3/4 Irish, kiss my ass.

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    Xenos says:

    As for the royal bloodline, my English ancestors came here before the Revolution to farm tobacco.

    Moll Flanders came to Virginia to farm tobacco.

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    Eli Rabett says:

    Delia, walking about Stockholm, Eli remarked upon the large number of Irish bars. Ms. Rabett, noted that the Swedes are depressed drunks, the Irish happy drunks and inquired whom would Eli rather drink with. . . .

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    gocart mozart says:

    My mom was an Italian immigrant who came over in the 1960’s and never became a U.S. citizen.

    On my dad’s side, my ancestor hopped on a boat from London in 1646, landed in New Haven Colony, changed his last name, married Captain Nathaniel Turner’s daughter and died one of the richest men in New Haven. I am Howard Dean’s 10th cousin. Not that I ever met the guy.
    When I find out which one of my ancestors blew my rightful inheritance, I will locate his grave and piss on it.

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    gocart mozart says:

    “REBECCA, b. say 1629; with “Thomas Meekes,” called before the court 3 July 1649 “to answer to their sinful miscarriage in matter of fornication, with sundry lies added thereto by them both in a gross and heinous manner” [NHCR 1:469-71]; m. by 4 September 1649 Thomas Mix [NHCR 1:480].”

    http://www.geocities.com/Heart.....turner.htm

    They got hitched three months later. I think the marriage was part of a plea bargain in exchange for dropping the criminal charges. Ain’t love grand.

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