It’s 5:44 ET, and Obama only needs 16 12 6 more delegates.
Also, I have to link this “statement” from Detroit Pistons general manager Joe Dumars.
Yes, Boston has won four games and Detroit only two. But it’s hard to imagine a more arbitrary and undemocratic way to determine this series’s outcome than “games won.” It is, after all, a bedrock value of the game of basketball that all points must be counted. But how can that be the case when every point beyond the winning point is ignored? There are literally dozens of layups, jumpers, free throws, and (yes, even) dunks that our opponents want to say don’t count for anything at all. We call on the NBA to do the right thing and fully count all of the baskets that were made throughout the course of this series. Once you abandon the artificial four-games-to-two framework that the media has tried to impose on the series, a very different picture emerges, with the Celtics leading by a mere 549 points to 539. Yes that’s right, the margin between the two teams is less than one percent—a tie, for all intents and purposes.
Hilarious. Via Sullivan.
Update: Just a thought, and I may be overthinking this – or it might just be plain stupid. Here’s my theory: Obama will have almost enough superdelegates by the time the polls close to clinch the nomination. Almost, but not quite. Then, after the polls close, Obama will win the nomination based on delegates he gains from the actual primaries. Then, no one can claim the superdelegates decided the race.
Update II (10 second later): Paragraphs like the one above is why I am paid to do work in education, and not to be anything close to a serious political analyst. Just so you know…
I’m patiently waiting for NBC and CNN to call it for Gore.
[/2000]Update III: CNN’s John Roberts just agreed with my scenario re: Superdelegates not taking Obama over the top and, instead, letting the other delegates do it. I now feel vindicated. Either that, or John Roberts is plagiarizing Balloon-Juice.
Update IV (8:07 ET): 5 to go.
Update V: If anyone wants to give a couple hundred bucks to the Obama presidential campaign on my behalf, I would appreciate it. One of my biggest disappointments is that I cannot donate. And by that, I mean you give the money, and think of me when you do it. I’m on a visa, and I am not about to break the law. On this anyway.
We’re down to 4 delegates now.
Stooleo
12 to go .
Soon to be Stooleo+3
Desmond
You know, I think John was absolutely right about Clinton’s strategy to control the news today. A little while ago, there was a story that said she was open to the VP slot.
Now, like clockwork, we have a new headline about her campaign “downplaying” that possibility.
Sheesh.
Dennis - SGMM
Clinton must get the VP slot because nothing says “change” like a DLC democrat with a habit of voting for Republican legislation.
El Cid
And for what? An inadequate Irish team!
passerby
Agreed,
This idea wasn’t talk about much by the media and in fact, Huffington was calling for the SD’s to get off the fence post haste.
But, this race needed to be won by primary delegate counts for the reason you stated, to avoid giving the Clinton camp yet another cause to whine about.
T
Dennis - SGMM
We’d better make nice with France tut suite because it’s going to take an astounding amount of cheese to go with that whine.
Desmond
I think it’s all a bit foolish. It doesn’t really matter when the superdelegates endorse; those endorsements will still be what puts him over the top.
Still, it’s probably a good idea to not give the Clinton Crazies any excuse to hyperventilate about the injustice of it all…
tom.a
I think Obama will get within one, two or three delegates after the primaries and in his speech, he’ll call out a few big name supers and then Al Gore will walk on the stage to put him over the top. THAT should sufficiently say F U to the Clintons. It won’t matter if the super or not put him over, he just needs to go over.
Cain
10 more to go. You can watch the countdown here, keep refreshing every once in awhile.
Shouldn’t there be some kind of ball to watch? I feel the sudden urge to go to Times Square. (that would be a hoot, having such a ball during Hillary’s speech..hehe)
cain
dougie
Yeah, they couldn’t have scripted it any better. Oh, wait…
PeterJ
I’m getting worried that there will be too many super delegates announcing, so that super delegates will put him above the 50% needed.
Lets say that there are 20 really pissed off Clinton super delegates that decide to go public and endorse Obama before the votes have been counted…
Can Obama reject and denounce super delegates? And if so, would that matter?
Cain
Bill Clinton should endorse, that should blow some minds…
we should all be reading talkleft and watch the countdown to the implosion.
cain
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
“Well, you don’t have to get snippy about it.”
Desmond
Well, BTD is reconciled:
phobos
I wouldn’t call that a headline. More likely a caution.
HumboldtBlue
One thing is for certain, all of this is GREAT news for Giuliani.
Oh wait, sorry, I meant great news for Romney, yeah, yeah, that’s the ticket. Or maybe Thompson.
Rick Taylor
BTD has always been an Obama supporter. He’s just frustrated he doesn’t take to heart all of his excellent advice.
Cain
Obama is The Dragon Reborn.
cain
Billy K
It’ll be interesting in the next few months to see who comes back from the brink (BTD, Merritt, Bowers?) and who doesn’t (Marsh).
Cain
oh crap, I meant to say “He Who Comes With The Dawn”.. grumble.
cain
Michael D.
No matter what you think of the Clintons, I don’t think ANYONE would be wise to say F U to them. I’m an Obama supporter who knows that we absolutely need them to win the next election.
You can bitch about how Hillary has run the campaign, but you cannot discount her supporters, and to raise a middle finger to them would be a HUGE mistake.
She needs to be gracious in defeat. We need to be magnanomous in victory.
SamFromUtah
Still, it’s probably a good idea to not give the Clinton Crazies any excuse to hyperventilate about the injustice of it all…
Well, they could get wound up about how contrived it is that the superdelegates purposefully avoided announcing before the primary results were in so that the pledged delegates would push him over the top and it’s just so, so, political.
Catfish N. Cod
Or the Coramoor?
Actually, it appears more like He Who Comes With The Hour After Dusk today…
Incertus
Michael,
I don’t often agree with you, but you’re dead on with that one. Obama’s got to have Clinton’s support, and if that means she, for some inexplicable reason, wants the VP slot, then I think he has to offer it to her, even though he might not like it.
Tom in Texas
Marsh was on MSNBC this afternoon (hilarious considering the invective she flings its way) and reiterated she will vote for Obama if he’s the nominee.
I’m pretty much convinced that those sites are chock full of Republicans anyway. Or do you think Rush came up with “Operation Chaos” all on his own? The number of people saying they will never post/read their sites again is further proof. How many were regulars before the primary? And how many wandered in after the GOP race was done?
John Cole
TalkLeft is a mess- Jeralynn is assuring us she will not concede via McAuliffe, and Big Douche Democrat is telling Obama to give her “space.” To do what, I don’t know.
Desmond
Too bad there’s no way to be magnaminous to her supporters, but still say FU to her.
Michael D.
And, by the way, if Obama asks Hillary Clinton to be his VP, and if she accepts, then I am going to support that 100%. I’m not going to complain about it – not a bit. I don’t give a shit what I think of how everything went, I am supporting the Democratic ticket in November.
My only disappointment will be that I won’t be able to vote.
Rome Again
Do we really? If so, I would rather lose with dignity than win through needing those crazies.
Michael D.
Rome: Make like an Alec Baldwin promise and go to Canada.
Martin
There’s a pretty clear split of regulars between GOS and mydd that made such claims. There are a lot that have been around since Dean.
Billy K
Helping:
Not helping:
Rome Again
Too bad, and I can, and I won’t vote for HRC on the ticket.
Digital Amish
Uh.. I think you might be overestimating the skill set required for political analysts. The name Bill Kristol ring a bell? You ever watch cable news?
Dennis - SGMM
Just heard Matthews ask if Clinton would be in the place she’s in had she opposed the war with the same energy that she ran for the nomination. He concluded that she wouldn’t.
I think that Matthews is being too critical. Four thousand American dead and tens of thousands wounded is small price to pay for proving that Hillary is strong on defense.
Rome Again
Yes, giving into the demands of a second-place finisher to be on the ticket is “helping”.
NOT!
HumboldtBlue
Personally, I’d be happy to say fuck you to many of her supporters, including that crazy old hag famous from you tube, to Marsh, any of them, have them step right on up, they’re nothing more than goddamned Republican wannabes anyway.
SamFromUtah
I would rather lose with dignity than win through needing those crazies.
Geesh. Not me. I’d rather win through needing those crazies than hand the reins over to the far more dangerous crazies.
Andrew
I won’t mock Clinton because she really as valuable as a GOP-head-exploding-machine, whether as SC justice, majority leader, supreme health care overlord, or whatever.
I will, however, mock all of the stupid fucking Clintonite dead-enders who still can’t do any fucking math and are really hyperventilating Republican concern trolls.
Cain
I was afraid nobody would have gotten the reference. :-) He Who Comes With The Dawn I suppose would be in December.
For those who didn’t get the reference, it comes from a series called “The Wheel of Time” by Robert Jordan.. unfortunately the author died before completing the last book (I started reading when I was a freshman I think in college, and I’m now 39, and that was book 3) Anyways good stuff, especially teh first four books.
Info here
Sorry, for the somewhat offtopic post.
cain
Billy K
There’s no need to call them “crazies.” Are they? Yes. Does calling them that help our cause? No.
Desmond
That would leave such a bad taste in my mouth. For this narcissistic sociopath to get what she wants through blackmail…it would be very unsettling. There are so many other good VP choices, some of them women.
I would be very disappointed in Obama if he gave in to her on this, and if he thinks this would get her off his back, he should think again.
Rome Again
BillyK, tell me, do you care about keeping the ideals of the Democratic party intact is more important than sullying our reputation and embracing a candidate who fought the dirty campaign she did?
Apparently you’re only concern is winning this year, instead of keeping the ideals of the party intact.
Furthermore, there are quite a few people who will not accept Hillary on the ticket, so, while gaining some Hillary supporters, he would also be losing some of the ones who have backed him all along. What’s good about that?
And tell me, do you trust that Clinton won as many votes as she did with Rush Limbaugh telling his listeners to vote for Clinton? You are drinking the koolaid if you think she did.
Obama can pull this off without the crazy Clinton clan.
Putting Hillary on the ticket would bring more votes to McCain.
Just Some Fuckhead
I’m with Rome Again again. Any victory that involves the contributions of the Geraldine Ferraros and Mark Penns and Howard Wolfsons of this world is dirty and disgusting and not worth having.
Rome Again
You think so because bringing them back to reality is not important, is it? You believe they’re crazy but you’re afraid to say it. How forthcoming of you. Wuss!
Badtux
Sad to say, the sufferers of Hillary Derangement Syndrome think just like this. For example, one HDS sufferer says, “Hillary won more primaries than Obama did, so she should be the candidate!”. Uhm, what about the caucauses? “Oh, those aren’t democratically conducted so they shouldn’t count.” Errr. Just like the case of “don’t count the freethrows!” above.
As for whether Obama can select Hillary as his Veep: Uhm, no. Hillary said McCain would be a better President than Obama. How can you run on the same ticket as someone who says your opponent is better? It just can’t work. Obama will chose someone who has *not* endorsed John McCain as his Veep, not someone who is, apparently, a Republican in drag.
– Badtux the Politics Penguin
Billy K
First of all, you sound like you’re foaming at the mouth. Calm down.
I never said put her on the ballot. I’m against that. All I said was not to call the losers names. Be gracious. Is that so fucking hard to understand?
John D.
Focus.
The goal is the defeat of the Republican nominee in November. If that means voting for Hillary for VP, I’m perfectly agreeable to that. I’m not *happy*, mind you, but better Obama/Clinton than McCain/Anyone.
Andrew
The NY times has a really good visualization tool on the front page right now. The big take away is that Obama sets up the Democrats for the future. Clinton, not so much.
Tom in Texas
The GOP is praying Obama picks Clinton. That’s why they’ve infested message boards and primaries for the last few months. Fortunately, Obama is too smart for that.
Rome Again
Fixed!
NO thanks!
Rome Again
I agree he won’t go there, but that the Hillbots think they can strongarm Obama like that is very unsettling to me.
Cain
Let’s not bicker.. it’s all speculative anyways, and she’s already downplaying it. I doubt the Clintons want to play second fiddle with anyone.
I personally, want to see Obama/Cookie Monster. Strong VP, sweet tooth, he’s a monster I grant you, but he tells you exactly where you stand.
Obama/Cookie Monster ’08!
cain
ThymeZone
Count me as one who does not want HRC on the Dem ticket.
I can say, I won’t vote for that ticket … of course, I am in AZ where my vote doesn’t really count, I expect AZ to go for McCain.
But if I thought AZ were in play, I’d really have to hold my nose and vote for Obama-Clinton if I had to.
Some people would not. Some will not vote for Obama regardless, because he stole Hillary’s happy fluffy.
Some people will not vote for McCain because he lives off beer money.
People vote for tickets for various reasons.
sunny
Thanks badtux, that is so true. A Republican was talking today about an ad they put together with Clinton saying McInsane had “passed the CIC threshhold” whateverTF that is.
Can you imagine having a veep whose own words are being used against you?
*NOT*
Rome Again
You believe they’re crazy but won’t say so. How is that principled and what does not saying it accomplish besides keeping mired in “teh crazy”?
phobos
Yes, I’ve noticed that…
Just Some Fuckhead
I don’t think Obama would be stupid enough to put her on the ticket so it’s really a non-issue. To do so would be putting at real risk his anti-war support, the support of black folks who watched her “White People Matter More” tour through Appalachia and the real progressive left that doesn’t want the goddamn DLC anywhere near where legislation is signed.
But I want to be very clear. Obama was at best my fourth choice. That drops to no choice at all if he puts HRC on the ticket. So you do the math and decide which is more important to you. The possible loss of the groups I mentioned above or the dubious addition of a few Clinton dead-enders caught up in a cult of personality?
Incertus
Dude, we’re talking about politics. Ideals aren’t even in the fucking ballpark.
SamFromUtah
I agree he won’t go there, but that the Hillbots think they can strongarm Obama like that is very unsettling to me.
OK, now that I can agree with. I am hoping Obama doesn’t offer her the VP spot, and that all of this is moot.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Kos:
theturtlemoves
That reference, if caught by the Hillary Sexism Brigade, would send them into a tizzy. I’ve never encountered less sympathetic, more stereotypically shrewish female characters in any piece of fantasy literature I have ever read than in the Wheel of Time. I gave up on those after around book six or seven I think, though, so maybe they get a little less catty around page 10 billion of the series.
Billy K
Ahem. I just did. But I don’t see any point in taunting people in my own party. My guy won. He’s gonna be President. I don’t feel the need to twist the knife – especially against my own party. That’s what I would want/expect if the tables were turned.
It’s called decency. It’s also gonna help mend some fences. Why are you so dead-set on agitating the “crazies?”
Brachiator
I agree. Hillary comes with a lot of negatives which the GOP would love to pounce on. But she is also a rare politician whose appeal is national, not really limited to any particular state or region. And she may be able to turn her real appeal to women into a cross-party phenomenon. She just has to ditch her current team of campaign advisers, who lack vision and are stuck in cynicism and old rules strategy.
And Senator Clinton would have to actively work to mend the fences that she has broken, as opposed to whining about how Obama has to reach out to her.
The GOP can easily be outfoxed.
SamFromUtah
I gave up on those after around book six or seven I think, though, so maybe they get a little less catty around page 10 billion of the series.
I managed to hang on until book 9, and they don’t. And, unbelievably, the stuff-happening : boring-standstill ratio decreases even further.
Dennis - SGMM
If the Democratic Party is to stand for real change then the Clintons must firmly but gently be pushed off of the stage. Their baggage, triangulation and divisiveness have to be put behind us. This is a chance to take a new direction and to put Hillary on the ticket would be a clear signal that we’re just kidding about that.
Rome Again
They are if you are a progressive who believes in the Democratic party. Obviously you aren’t. How many times have the words “Why we are Democrats” been explained? You apparently don’t feel the things that I feel that make me affirm the reason why I follow the Democratic party.
passerby
I don’t think it would benefit Obama to pimp-out his candidacy by appeasing Clinton with a VP offer. Quite the contrary, it would be a political disaster for his would-be presidency.
He’ll need all the voters he can muster and I believe he will have them without making the mistake of having Senator Clinton on his campaign trail.
T
sunny
I say Bill Richardson. He can add the desperately needed Hispanic vote and can then win without the racist, centrist DLCers and crazy Clinton cult.
I think a President elected by and beholden to African Americans, Hispanics,liberals, highly educated lefty elites, young college students, and plenty of liberal minded hard working Americans, white Americans, male and female, would be fine thing.
Billy K
I think Rome Again just bought a new soapbox and decided to take it for a spin on Balloon Juice.
Rome Again
I got news for you, if they would vote for McCain because Hillary wasn’t chosen as VP, they are not IN your party.
Rick Taylor
More excellent advice from BTD; if they’d only listen!
Rome Again
I think BillyK is a Republican troll.
Umm, where does one purchase a soapbox, and why would I need to pay for one? This site is free to post on, I don’t need to pay to speak.
JL
Anyone watching Timmy on MSNBC? It does sound like Hillary is still playing her games tonight.
Billy K
That’s true. But not all of them are that nuts. However, treating them derisively could turn them against us. See my point?
Nah…I don’t think you do…
Incertus
Dude, fuck you. I’m a progressive who’s also a pragmatic realist. Ideals are for third parties who can afford to worry about purity because they never get into power. If putting Clinton on the ticket means we not only elect Obama to the presidency but pick up 12-20 more House seats and a half dozen Senate seats, then you bet your ass I’ll take it, because you don’t get change without power.
SamFromUtah
How many times have the words “Why we are Democrats” been explained?
Zero. Or, several million, and each one was different. Will Rogers was right.
You apparently don’t feel the things that I feel that make me affirm the reason why I follow the Democratic party.
Clearly not, but I applaud your ability to stack relative clauses.
Billy K
Yah. Cause I haven’t been on here long enough to have a track record.
Go bug someone else.
Cain
It gets better. The last book was fairly decent. But not as good as the first 4 books. There is probably only so much skirt gripping, bold eye staring one can take. I wish he hadn’t made women so one dimensional as a whole in the series.
But nothing beats the meat grinder description in Lord of Chaos at the end.. woo. The guy can really write good description of war magic! I never get tired of reading that part.
cain
theturtlemoves
If it weren’t for the fact that it was really cool when the stuff was happening, I’d never have made it as far as I did. My theory was that since he went to the Citadel, he didn’t know how real-live women actually act, but I’ve since read he was a pretty nice guy with a wife and kids, so I’m not sure what dark recesses of his mind he was venting with those characters. Maybe he went to Catholic school and was beaten by the nuns or something.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
That’s my feeling too. It would signal that either (1) The change rhetoric we heard from Obama is not as important as it sounded, or (2) His movement isn’t strong enough to win on its own merits.
I’d be willing to settle for just keeping McCain and the GOP out of the WH if that is the best deal we can get, but by now my expectations are that something more constructive than that should be within our reach.
JL
Sometimes it appears that Clinton is running to be McCain’s VP, not Obama’s.
Dennis - SGMM
Considering the general tilt of this blog I think that it’s just amazing that Clinton has us fighting amongst ourselves. That couldn’t be a preview of what the general would be like.
theturtlemoves
That I will agree with completely. Cain, as long as I’m completely off-topic, I recall you were attending a Rush show Sunday at Clark County. How’d that go?
Rome Again
Have you really? And when did I arrive Billy, do you remember? Can you name the incident that brought me here, or the timeframe of such incident?
I’m trying out a soapbox on Balloon Juice? Sounds like you think I just arrived yesterday. I can assure you, I’ve been around here MUCH longer than that.
Billy K
I don’t care.
I don’t care.
I don’t care.
I don’t care.
Cain
It’s boring and pointless. We should all agree to disagree, and take potshots at crazies. Hasn’t Ankle Biting Pundits and MM come up with anything we can mock?
cain
Just Some Fuckhead
The pie-in-the-fucking-sky Clinton pimpers (who also BTW have Edwards in the AG slot, Biden in the SoS slot, etc. etc. like little kids playing house assigning a role for all the principles) just naively assume Obama adds on to his 100% support by adding Hillary to the ticket.
In actuality, he loses some of his own support and it isn’t clear he makes it up with whatever HRC delivers. The one group I didn’t mention earlier that Obama is likely most worried about losing by adding HRC is Independents.
So STFU already with the HRC nonsense, people. It ain’t happening and when it’s suggested, we need to shoot it down with extreme prejudice.
Rome Again
Putting the victimized presumptive nominee who couldn’t keep her story straight about Tuzla, never denounced Gerry Ferarro’s racist remarks and voted for AUMF and never took it back is REALISM? Sorry, I disagree.
Ideals are for third parties who can afford to worry about purity because they never get into power. If putting Clinton on the ticket means we not only elect Obama to the presidency but pick up 12-20 more House seats and a half dozen Senate seats, then you bet your ass I’ll take it, because you don’t get change without power.
You would sully the ideals of the Democratic party to win a single election, knowing full well that you can never go back? Not me, no thanks.
I’m sorry if you don’t want to believe there are ideals of the Democratic party, but, history would prove you wrong. We are about civil rights, and equality (isn’t that why we’re running both a woman and a black man this year while the other side is still running the money connected white male?) and lifting ordinary Americans out of poverty. I can give you a hundred citations for this if you would like me to. I even have the time to do so right now.
Rome Again
Blockquote hell, apologies.
Cain
Yes, I did! It ROCKED. The crowd was pretty good, maybe about 15% less than last time, but everybody was singing to every song. Geddy’s voice was in great shape, he hit all the high notes (and man he can hit em!) pretty damn good.
Not much different from last tour though. They played my fav song “Between the Wheels”. (which I posted the lyrics too on Sunday) Overall I had a great time and left with a big smile on my face. Can’t wait for a new album and a new tour! :-)
You don’t usually see this, but I saw a mom, and her two daughters going and my friend swears they were sharing a pipe and it wasn’t tobacco. :-) The girls couldn’t have been more than 15 years old. I’m sure that rush + weed + mom > brittney spears concert.. haha..
cain
Rome Again
I think instead of shutting up, it needs to be shot down. Perhaps we disagree about this, but, if we don’t address it, we will lose that argument.
Dreggas
I am still working on finishing this series. I have to say Robert Jordan is one of the kiniest buggers I have ever read that was “innocently” kinky. A lot of the stuff in those books with regards to the Seanchan, the Sisters, etc. is right outta some of the BDSM community I swear it.
SmilingPolitely
Agreed.
Dennis - SGMM
Aw geez. Because of the topic and because you wrote ” a Rush show…” I thought you were referencing Rush Limbaugh. When I read Cain’s response I thought “Damn!” :-)
Rome Again
Yeah, well, you’re a newbie to me.
Your “I don’t care” recitations are obvious, I’m sure you don’t care at all.
Just Some Fuckhead
Oh yeah. I shoulda clarified that I didn’t mean it couldn’t be brought up. Just that it shouldn’t ever be argued back and forth like it is in anyway a remotely acceptable premise. Carry on. ;)
Cain
oh yeah.. it was serious BSDM except with magic and it certainly wasn’t gentle.
cain
Incertus
The ideals of the Democratic party? Look, the Dems are better than the Republicans on pretty much every social issue, but that’s as much a product of electoral necessity as idealism. We’re a coalition of very disparate groups. If they had ideals, they wouldn’t be willing to fuck over parts of their coalition for electoral gain. We’re never going to get an ideal government–the best we’ll ever get is less bad than the last one.
mantis
10 to go now. TPM has all the SDs as they endorse. A long list.
Cain
How about we fight tomorrow? We’re spoiling Barack’s big night. First AA to win the Democratic nomination, a historic night and we’re talking about Clinton. Hell all of us are talking about Clinton, on blogs, MSNBC, and what not. We should be getting drunk! That’s what I’ll be doing today!
cain
Billy K
Cain
Rush is a blot on my fav band. It’s just unfortunate they share the same name. Luckily Rush the band has been around longer that fat blowhard.
cain
Rome Again
We seem to be arguing at cross purposes, you seem to be taking the side of the leadership, while I am considering teh electorate. I agree with your last statement, but, the electorate has a dream of equality and pulling people out of poverty. Social issues are emotional issues, they are ideals and while I don’t expect to see a country where no one is poor, I would fight tooth and nail for it to happen anyway. What we get out of it is better than just arguing for the realistic. The realistic limits itself, the ideal does not.
Rome Again
BillyK, I hope you can argue better than “Pie, I like it”.
Apparently not.
Evilbeard
Honestly, right now I am more concerned with who will inherit Dick Cheney’s greatly empowered office and whether they would attempt to retain all that power.
Rome Again
Which nominee are we celebrating, the one who would choose his own VP or the one who is going to be bullied into accepting someone he wouldn’t choose on his own? There apparently seems to be this question that there may be more than one.
I am all for Barack having his night, but I am not going to sit down and shut up when Hillbots think they can strongarm our candidate.
Dennis - SGMM
Ha! It was cool, the dissonance made my head ring like a bell for a minute or so. And Rush, the band, has made a lot more people happy than Rush, the blowhard. You’re lucky in that you can see a band that was a part of your youth. I’m so damned old that the bands of my youth (Airplane, Commander Cody, Led Zep, Beatles, the Who, Country Joe & the Fish) are either dead, broken up, or crazy.
ThymeZone
He has some crust.
But cereally, I would take him for a listmember using his powers for evil, and not good.
Rome Again
I already figured that TZ, but that doesn’t change anything for me. The meme is still out there, whether I’m arguing with a listmember or not.
Cain
Well then.. carry on then. :-) I’m sure things work out for the best whatever that maybe. For now, I’m happy the damn primary is over and I’m going to enjoy it. If y’all want to talk about Hillary that’s not for me to stop you. I’ll skip this thread. Unless of course we’re going to about BSDM and books again. That I’m so there.
cain
w vincentz
Anyway….
Tonight is Barack’s night. Hillary has tried to make it all about her. McInsane has also tried his “showboat”, with all the nice things he’s said about his drinking buddy when they both went to Germany.
Oh well, I’m going to savor Barack’s night. He earned it.
We’ve waited a long time for it to come cause we believed it would happen.
ENJOY!
Dennis - SGMM
This old swabbie is raising a glass to Obama.
Congratulations! Smooth seas and following winds.
reid
What an alternate reality some of these people live in. Obama better be nice to her? When has he ever been anything but gracious to a fault, even in the debates? I think he’s always congratulated her on her victories, but the opposite hasn’t been true. And those dopes go on and on about the sexism from the Obama campaign. WTF? Where?! Delusional WATBs that can’t accept defeat.
Cain
Here here!
BTW Led Zeppelin played recently didn’t they? Unless you’re saying they are insane! :)
cain
Rome Again
Well, since I’m about to drive, I will drink later. :)
Enjoy this night everyone.
Dennis - SGMM
AFAIK, they last played in 2007 with the late John Bonham’s son, Jason, on drums. Don’t believe that they were touring. Time has increased my appreciation of Led Zep.
Cain
The Immigrant Song was one of my favorite. On youtube, I saw an outdoor concert and it was awesome!
cain
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
Yikes – McCain’s speech is awful. Besides having no substance it being delivered by a wooden old man who has to squint to read the teleprompters. Sometimes his body switches position while he’s still reading the last monitor.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
Would you buy a used car from this man?
Dennis - SGMM
It was my favorite for driving down the Pasadena Freeway into downtown LA until I heard a Tabla Beat Science cut titled “Show Me the Worth of the World.” I played it for my dear wife and she said,”That’s a warrior’s song.”
I can’t find a YouTube of that particular song but here’s an exemplar. Worth a listen.
John D.
Was, unfortunately. He died a few months ago.
bago
This bickering is pointless…
Fulcanelli
If Hillary is on the ticket, I’ll vote for it but I have a hunch I won’t have to worry about it.
My hunch… Obama’s gonna play it close to the vest, stall and stay in the eye of the hurricane until the convention as far as hints about his VP choice. Let things calm down.
He’s gonna get busy going back to the big states where he took a spanking to try and win over whatever Clinton voters he can between now and the convention. And… I’d bet he picks up quite a few, now that the primary fever has died down a bit, and also as he goes back to these places, people will likely warm up to him a bit, now that Hillary and Bill aren’t smearing him every other day, the local and national media will run polls and pick up on the fact that “he lost there, but he’s back there trying”. That’ll count for something…
And his team has a ton of leftover primary money to spend and they could go massive on the 50 state voter registration drive he started on May 10th. For his trouble he’s gonna look like a hero to the party, a hero to his supporters and he’s gonna bring in God knows how many new voters who’ve been under the Clinton/GOP radar who’ll vote for him and him alone because he brought ’em to the dance.
The more new voters they bring in, the less they need to fret about a Clinton-less ticket in the convention and in the GE. With his ground organization in place, the primary over and plenty of money to spend, if they handle this with the same organized intensity as they handled the primary, with smear and bullshit flying everywhere, in all 50 states I think 5, 7, or even 10 million new voters isn’t out of the question and the Clintons are almost irrelevant to winning the GE.
More than enough to cover the defecting Clintonistas.And plenty to bury McSame.
Maybe it’s a pipe dream, but it could solve his “Clinton” problem.
grumpy realist
What I’m surprised the feminist blogs haven’t picked up on is that how Hillary conducts herself in defeat is going to cast a long shadow on future prospective female attempts at the nomination. Hillary is very very close to being moved from the “strategic fighter” box to “sore loser/crackpot” category. Politics is still, at the heart of it, an activity with the trappings of a game, with “winners” and “losers”, “fair players” and “unfair players.” At some point the loser is expect to throw in the towel, accept defeat, congratulate the winner, and settle down to being a “good team player” until the next bite at the apple. You’re NOT supposed to maintain your attitude of a rabid pit bull refusing to know when it’s beaten. Yeah, Kennedy fought all the way to the nomination. Kennedy was a white male and could afford to be more sloppy (and it didn’t work, either–the Democrats lost that election. Excellent strategy to follow, guys.) If you’re an outsider, you’ve got to show you know what the rules are and what the limits are.
If Hillary doesn’t very quickly start acting along the lines of someone who knows how to play the game, she’s going to quickly make it difficult for ALL women to enter the clubhouse.