The Fighter With A Glass Jaw

I see the new meme circulating in the Anti-Obama/Pro-Clinton blogosphere is that the Obama campaign “inflamed” the RFK remarks and created a media firestorm, which unfairly attacked our Lady of Inevitability:

But even as both sides tried to tamp down the flap, some Clinton supporters pointed out that the Obama campaign had responded quickly on Friday after the New York senator had made the remarks to an editorial board in South Dakota.

McAuliffe accused the Obama group of “inflaming” the issue by issuing that response and then the “hyped-up press” took her comments out of context.

Clinton’s supporters said Robert Kennedy’s son understood what she meant and her words were not about Obama.

“They had nothing to do with Senator Obama,” Clinton campaign adviser Howard Wolfson said on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “And so there would be no reason for her to apologize to Senator Obama.”

Imagine that! Politics is being played! Surely we all remember this:

A political tempest over Barack Obama’s comments about bitter voters in small towns has given rival Hillary Rodham Clinton a new opening to court working class Democrats 10 days before Pennsylvanians hold a primary that she must win to keep her presidential campaign alive.

Obama tried to quell the furor Saturday, explaining his remarks while also conceding he had chosen his words poorly.

But the Clinton campaign fueled the controversy in every place and every way it could, hoping charges that Obama is elitist and arrogant will resonate with the swing voters the candidates are vying for not only in Pennsylvania, but in upcoming primaries in Indiana and North Carolina as well.

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The Clinton campaign handed out “I’m not bitter” stickers in North Carolina, and held a conference call of Pennsylvania mayors to denounce the Illinois senator. In Indiana, Clinton did the work herself, telling plant workers in Indianapolis that Obama’s comments were “elitist and out of touch.”

Campaigning in Muncie, Ind., Obama addressed the issue at length. “I didn’t say it as well as I should have,” he said at Ball State University.

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Clinton attacked Obama’s remarks much more harshly Saturday than she had the night before, calling them “demeaning.” Her aides feel Obama has given them a big opening, pulling the spotlight away from troublesome stories such as former President Clinton’s recent revisiting of his wife’s misstatements about an airport landing in Bosnia 10 years ago.

Obama is trying to focus attention narrowly on his remarks, arguing there’s no question that some working class families are anxious and bitter. The Clinton campaign is parsing every word, focusing on what Obama said about religion, guns, immigration and trade.

Clinton hit all those themes in lengthy comments to manufacturing workers in Indianapolis.

“I was raised with Midwestern values and an unshakable faith in America and its policies,” she said. “Now, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it’s a matter of constitutional right. Americans who believe in God believe it’s a matter of personal faith.”

“I grew up in a churchgoing family…,” she continued. “The people of faith I know don’t ‘cling’ to religion because they’re bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich …

“I also disagree with Senator Obama’s assertion that people in this country ‘cling to guns’ and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration,” she said.

If I use Hillary’s own words, will I be called a misogynist? I sure hope not:

“If you can’t stand the heat, don’t run for president because it’s a really hot kitchen in the White House, I’ll tell you that much,” she said.

No doubt. And if there are any Balloon Juice readers in Montana, South Dakota, or Puerto Rico, I sure would love one of those “I AM NOT AN ASSASSIN” bumperstickers or buttons the Obama campaign no doubt is handing out right now.

*** Update ***

Brutal.






85 replies
  1. 1
    Andrew says:

    I don’t know anyone could have the energy for assassinating after staying up past 3am and drinking crown royal shots every single night.

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    shera says:

    MISOGYNIST!

  3. 3
    nightjar says:

    If the situation weren’t so sad it would be all funny. What is fascinating to watch is Obama and his advisors learn in light speed how to not only overcome his own mistakes but to turn it around in magnanimous deftness to take the high ground when the other guy (or gal) screws up. These people are pros and they work their magic with a high level of honesty and class, as compared to the Rovian election successes. McCain doesn’t have a chance, unless JR. manages to starts WW 3 before November, and even then not, much of one.

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    Keith says:

    Not to mention that when the rumors circulated last week that there were discussions between the camps regarding having HRC become the veep, she accused the Obama camp of planting those rumors. And this is in spite of quotes directly from Bill affirming that sentiment. She’s a hack, and part of the Nixon/Atwater/Rove-style politik that does not want to go quietly in spite of the writing being on the wall.

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    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    Clinton’s supporters said Robert Kennedy’s son understood what she meant and her words were not about Obama.

    “They had nothing to do with Senator Obama,” Clinton campaign adviser Howard Wolfson said on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “And so there would be no reason for her to apologize to Senator Obama.

    /rant on

    OK, Senator Obama is a grown-up, if he wants an apology, he can ask for it.

    Nevermind about him, I (as a concerned voter) want an apology to me.

    Why, for what?

    Every goddam day for months now, I pray to God every time I turn on the TV, that the first thing I see isn’t some crime scene with a bunch of yellow tape and Secret Service crawling all over the place, and somber voices announcing that “this is another tragic moment in the history of American politics…”

    Every goddam day for months now, I pray to God every time I drive into to work, that the first thing that I hear from my co-workers when I get into the office, before I even have a chance to take my coat off, isn’t: “OMG did you hear what happened I can’t believe it’s so terrible I can’t believe they sho..”

    Every goddam day for months now, I pray to God every time I drive to a gas-station or restaurant or bar or other public gathering place, that the first thing I see won’t be a huge crowd of people standing around a TV monitor in shocked silence, and all us will remember from that day forward where we were when the news first broke.

    Every goddam day for months now, I pray to God every time I turn my computer on, that when I launch a browser window and start up with google news, that I won’t see a black banner across the top of the page, and an entire screen full of stories about how “a terrible tragedy has come back to haunt the United States just like in 1968…”

    and Hillary Clinton, without meaning to, without thinking, said something that pissed all over those fears, and now has the goddam fucking gall to take it as an opportunity to poke a stick in the eye of anybody who might be just a little too sensitive about her innocent comments that have been twisted by the evil media and the evil Obama campaign, just because she thinks there may be some small advantage to playing the innocent victim in this fuckey-fuck-fuckup of hers.

    And for that I want an apology.

    from her.

    directly.

    to me and the millions of other people who feel the same way.

    And I’m not going to say what my reaction to her will be when I inevitably do not get that apology, or anything even remotely like it, and in fact get pretty much the exact opposite, because there aren’t enough obscenities in the fucking English language to do a respectable job of it.

    /rant off, and I hope all my tags got closed properly, because friends don’t let friends write html when they’re really pissed off.

  6. 6
    Krista says:

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ, that rant deserves to be on the front page of every freaking newspaper in the U.S.

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    SnarkyShark says:

    She’s a hack, and part of the Nixon/Atwater/Rove-style politik that does not want to go quietly in spite of the writing being on the wall.

    Of course they don’t want to go quietly. Get real jobs? In this economy?

    Is you crazy?

  8. 8
    mark says:

    HRC strategy: say something stupid (being generous here) and then complain about how mean everyone is for noticing.

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    SnarkyShark says:

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ, that rant deserves to be on the front page of every freaking newspaper in the U.S.

    Agreed. And nice job on the HTML. I know how hard it is to tag while seeing red.

    Good job man!

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    mark says:

    What Krista said.

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    nightjar says:

    “OMG did you hear what happened I can’t believe it’s so terrible I can’t believe they sho..”

    I had managed mostly to keep it blocked out of my mind, till the past few days. Until “The Lady Of Inevitability” opened her big narcissistic yapper.

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    SnarkyShark says:

    HRC strategy: say something stupid (being generous here) and then complain about how mean everyone is for noticing.

    Yeah, thats working out real good for her.

    I can just see that fat fuck Penn saying ” just keep doing it, it’ll work!

    And then billing her for another Million or so.

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    Dennis - SGMM says:

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ, great rant. I was well on my way to adulthood when the Kennedy’s and MLK were felled so Clinton’s remarks were appalling to me personally. The woman has no business in politics.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ, thank you.

    His post should be printed in every paper in this country, but since that’s not likely, I’d like to request that his post go up on the front page here.

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    Rick Taylor says:

    Not much to add, when after all that, they go into victim mode because the Obama campaign called the remarks “unfortunate” and said they had no place in the campaign. Add to that all the cries of sexism, and the insistence that Obama is personally responsible for condemning every instance of it himself. And add to all that myiq joking how Obama can’t take a punch. Yup, it’s been something to see.

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    Jess says:

    I’d like to request that his post go up on the front page here.

    I’ll second that.

    Yup, it’s been something to see.

    You’re seeing sheer desperation. Never a pretty sight. It doesn’t bring out the noble, that’s for sure.

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    ACK says:

    No doubt. And if there are any Balloon Juice readers in Montana, South Dakota, or Puerto Rico, I sure would love one of those “I AM NOT AN ASSASSIN” bumperstickers or buttons the Obama campaign no doubt is handing out right now.

    Me too. And I am looking forward to Obama’s commercial about the “assassin” statement similar to what Hillary put out in Pennsylvania…

    Hillary For President “Pennsylvania” TV : 30

    HRC: I’m Hillary Clinton and I approve this message.

    Anncr: Barack Obama said that people in small towns “cling to guns or religion…as a way to explain their frustrations…”

    Woman 1: I was very insulted by Barack Obama.

    Man 1: It just shows how out of touch Barack Obama is.

    Woman 2: I’m not clinging to my faith out of frustration and bitterness. I find that my faith is very uplifting.

    Man 2: The good people of Pennsylvania deserve a lot better than what Barack Obama said.

    Woman 1: Hillary does understand the citizens of Pennsylvania better.

    Woman 3: Hillary Clinton has been fighting for people like us her whole life.

    I so can’t wait until this primary is over.

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    Karmakin says:

    Not much to add, when after all that, they go into victim mode because the Obama campaign called the remarks “unfortunate” and said they had no place in the campaign. Add to that all the cries of sexism, and the insistence that Obama is personally responsible for condemning every instance of it himself. And add to all that myiq joking how Obama can’t take a punch. Yup, it’s been something to see.

    Honestly?

    That’s what turned me off early on. Projection is the last refuge of the scoundrel. No, strike that. Projection is the FIRST refuge of the scoundrel. The moment I see projection, is the moment I know to oppose something.

    And the Clinton campaign..and even worse, I think her movement unfortunately, is neck deep in projection. More than a multiplex so to speak.

    Projection is how bad people get by. It’s the Big Lie. It’s the silver-tongued devil that escaped from Pandora’s Box.

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    Maggie says:

    Great rant.

    Speaking as someone who does think she was just talking about the timing, her non-apology nonetheless rankles a good bit. It’s one of those things where even if she means what she says she meant, she should be able to see how others read it the other way. But of course, she can’t. Because in Hillaryland, all reality must bend to Hillary’s reality. She then compounds it by trying to throw this back onto Obama, as if he hasn’t been the model of restraint through all of this. And so many of her followers mindlessly follow along. Everything bad under the sun is down to Obama. Ugh. Just. Ugh.

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    jake says:

    Not content to let its dick hang out of its pantsuit, Camp Clinton repeatedly shreds that bad boy in the teeth of its zipper.

    Please. Make. It. Stop.

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    scarshapedstar says:

    I just saw a car with an “I Brake For Moose” bumper sticker.

    Someone should question this motorist, because they just threatened to run over Barack Obama.

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    Rick says:

    Hillary doesn’t campaign, she goes to war … like a proper Rovian republican. After the nominating precess is over, I expect her and Billy to commiserate with Zell and Joe. She very much reminds me of the current resident of the White House … although she has a triple digit I.Q…. Secretive, infallible, incompetent (look at the campaign she’s run), prizes loyalty over competence, invents ever more ridiculous excuses for bad behavior and failure. She’s bitter; she’s toast.

    And Billy, (who I supported and defended too long,) in the run up to the Texas primary, went on the RUSH LIMBAUGH SHOW (I checked Rush’s archives) to solicit Operation Chaos republicans to vote for Hillary . They don’t represent the Democratic Party, anymore than Zell and Joe do. They represent the Clinton Party, or, should I say, the Hill-Billy Party. I’m bitter that I supported them for too long.

    Anyone who doubts what the Clinton campaign has become, and the mouth breathing neanderthals who are her most deranged supporters should take a stroll over to NO QUARTER. Careful, it’s a weird composite of a freak show and a KKK clan rally.

    Bring back Samantha Powers. She spoke the truth.

    Time for Al Gore to speak up. He has the moral authority to put Hillary out of our misery.

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    myiq2xu says:

    A political tempest over Barack Obama’s comments about bitter voters in small towns has given rival Hillary Rodham Clinton a new opening to court working class Democrats 10 days before Pennsylvanians hold a primary that she must win to keep her presidential campaign alive.

    There’s a big difference Mr. Malkin.

    Obama’s words were not taken out of context, and he meant exactly what he said.

    But please, keep wanking.

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    scarshapedstar says:

    Speaking as someone who does think she was just talking about the timing, her non-apology nonetheless rankles a good bit. It’s one of those things where even if she means what she says she meant, she should be able to see how others read it the other way. But of course, she can’t. Because in Hillaryland, all reality must bend to Hillary’s reality.

    I’ve yet to see one acknowledgement in Obamaland that RFK’s son wasn’t even offended and is sticking up for Hillary. I guess that’s not part of consensus reality just yet.

    Everything bad under the sun is down to Obama. Ugh. Just. Ugh.

    Yes, ugh. You could sum up this whole kerfluffle as “it’s all about Obama”. Hillary speaks about RFK to defend her own presence in the race, and the Obama camp butts in with “ARE YOU THREATENING ME?!” (Just as with the Al Gore – Internet flap, they act as though Hillary released a 30 second video of assassination talk with no context.)

    Methinks the Obama fans need teepee for their collective bunghole.

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    Rarely Posts says:

    Politics being played…isn’t that something the MUP wasn’t going to do…go negative? LOL!

    Obama made comments about voters, certainly fair game for some needling from Clinton. Clinton simply made a historical reference that Obama’s camp twisted into something that it wasn’t.

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    I have learned that when you are campaigning for as many months as Sen. Clinton and I have been campaigning,” he told the Puerto Rico radio station Isla, “sometimes you get careless in terms of the statements that you make. And I think that is what happened here.

    “Sen. Clinton says that she did not intend any offense by it,” he added, “and I would take her at her word on that.”

    How negative. How dare he twist her words out of context.

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    nightjar says:

    I’ve yet to see one acknowledgement in Obamaland that RFK’s son wasn’t even offended and is sticking up for Hillary. I guess that’s not part of consensus reality just yet.

    The question of what the hell she meant with her remarks and whether or not individual people forgive her are two separate questions. The first is open for debate and the second subjective conclusion. RFK’s analysis was pretty clear as was his choice to not judge her negatively. Others equally have the right to judge her one way or the other. She’s a candidate for the POTUS for christsakes.

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    Others equally have the right to judge her one way or the other.

    such as every other Kennedy other than the one angling for Hill’s seat when she leaves?

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    Genine says:

    Rarely Posts Says:

    Politics being played…isn’t that something the MUP wasn’t going to do…go negative? LOL!

    Obama made comments about voters, certainly fair game for some needling from Clinton. Clinton simply made a historical reference that Obama’s camp twisted into something that it wasn’t.

    You people are fucking crazy. Obama’s campaign did not twist anything. They did not attack her. Obama’s response has been very restrained. In fact, Obama SAID, that he believed Hillary meant NO offense and that she was just tired.

    Clinton critics have said a lot about the comments, as if their right to. But the Obama campaign only said the remarks weren’t appropriate. That is something Clinton herself acknowledges, thus, we have the “apology”.

    So what the HELL are you talking about? Clinton critics and Obama supporters on the internet can say whatever it is that they feel. But Ballon Juice or any other blog is NOT the Obama campaign.

    If that’s the best you all can come up with- you are truly sad and pathetic.

    Unless you can come up with an example of the Obama campaign “overreacting” to Clinton’s remarks (which a number of commentors have asked you to do and you haven’t) then you all are nothing but crazy POS’s.

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    Maggie says:

    I’ve yet to see one acknowledgement in Obamaland that RFK’s son wasn’t even offended and is sticking up for Hillary. I guess that’s not part of consensus reality just yet.

    Well, genius, I stood up for her Friday night and yesterday. Oh, and so did Obama and Axelrod.

    My complaint here was about the non-apology (cause while she didn’t mean anything untoward, it sounded like that to lots of folks) and especially her effort to blame the furor on Obama.

    And I get even frothier when I compare Obama’s very gentle handling of the episode with the way Clinton went after Obama’s remarks knowing full well that he doesn’t look down on either religion or hunting (which anyone capable of independent thought could see).

    She’s classless. She’s reacting badly to being on the receiving end of a media storm that is not at all unlike the one she actively fanned against Obama. Very hard to feel sorry for her under those circumstances. So oddly enough I’m not going to try.

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    evie says:

    I know I have to do my best to take a break from following the campaign when my loathing for Clinton reaches the level it’s at. It makes me despair in politics at all.

    The Obama people, as usual, were hugely restrained in their statement on Friday, and Axelrod himself went on Hardball and said he did not think Clinton is laying in wait for Obama to be killed. The next day, despite no apology ever being offered to him (and never will be as she made clear today), he assured reporters that he took no offense. And now they — the CLINTONS — are trying to make her deplorable comment about Obama and his team? I would list even more examples of Clinton piling on to lies and distortions about Obama (Hamas, anyone? Ayers? As far as I know?), but to do so would drive me insane.

    I’m simply going to write Reid, Peloisi and Dean next week, like I did last week, and tell them they are responsible for allowing this travesty of a campaign to continue. I’ll write them weekly until June 3 and then I’ll write them daily.

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    ThymeZone says:

    I stood up for her Friday night and yesterday

    Me too also, as well.

    I said that there was no dark meaning to the assassination reference. I think pretty much everybody got that fairly soon.

    What the Clintoons don’t want to admit is that it was the grotesque nature of the gaffe, the reckless and gratuitous nature of it, the unnecessariness of it, that made her look like an ass, and called her judgment into question.

    They are inventing a strawman version of their own fuckup in order to dismiss its importance. This is basically classic Rovian politics. An elbow into the mouth, and then, oops, sorry, was that your face? And then, the issue is, we weren’t aiming for the face. The “story” becomes whether they were aiming for your face. But in the meantime, your teeth are on the floor.

    How stupid do the asshole Clintons think people are?

    Never mind, we already know the answer to that one.

    There was a time when they would have been right.

    That was then, this is now.

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    kind of an off white says:

    Good on you, Evie. I’d follow suit but God damn, I just can’t tamp down my loathing enough to pen something persuasive.

    My feelings toward the Dem leadership make this blog’s editorial stance on Clinton look like puppy love.

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    El Doh says:

    I just asked my friend, who doesn’t much care who wins between Hillary and Obama (and didn’t vote for either in the primary) what he thought of all this, as he doesn’t follow politics like most here do, doesn’t read blogs, doesn’t watch the Sunday morning shows etc.

    I knew he’d seen it originally on TV news on Friday, but we hadn’t discussed it.

    The response was “hey, it was a stupid thing to say, I thought she was talking about assassination… she’s lucky Obama’s not making anything out of this ’cause all’s fair in politics.”

    Of course, he’s immune from most of the spin and counter-spin as he doesn’t see it unless it makes the TV news or the occasional Daily Show ep he watches.

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    Pooh says:

    HRC, shifting the Overton Window one taboo at a time.

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    Fr33d0m says:

    I was willing to chalk it up to being tired but then I saw the pitiful “apology” in the grocery store. Still I supposed she still didn’t get it. Every time she opens her mouth I become more sure of what seed she was trying to plant.

    The Clintonistas want us to believe she was only talking about the schedule–and therefore that there were only two times in history that applies to her argument? Riiiight.

    I’ll take one of those bumper stickers now thank you.

    Oh and one parting shot for those Clintonistas out there. I will either vote for a smart, young, inspirational leader or for a more experienced candidate, Hillary is neither of these things.

  37. 37
    John S. says:

    Obama’s words were not taken out of context, and he meant exactly what he said.

    You need professional help. Really. When If you recover your sanity and reason, you’ll probably agree with Greg Sargent:

    But let me state here, emphatically, that I believe the same dynamic was at play there, that it didn’t matter what Obama really meant: The simple fact that Obama said something that could be construed badly enabled the pundits to declare it a “gaffe” and make it a big story.

    One interesting difference: In that case, the Hillary camp didn’t take Obama at his word when he sought to explain those comments. Camp Hillary repeatedly suggested he’d meant the worst. Which stands in sharp contrast to Obama’s handling of the current story.

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    Richardson says:

    Hillary Nixon is starting to wear me down.

    Tricky Dick should have been so clever though, “It’s the Democrats who are at fault for Watergate. They’re taking it all out of context.”

  39. 39
    Nellcote says:

    I see that Fox news now feels free to joke about a* Obama. Hillary must be sooooo proud. Bitch!

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    patroclus says:

    Senator Clinton’s op-ed was, indeed, very apologeticky!

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    ThymeZone says:

    One interesting difference: In that case, the Hillary camp didn’t take Obama at his word when he sought to explain those comments. Camp Hillary repeatedly suggested he’d meant the worst. Which stands in sharp contrast to Obama’s handling of the current story.

    I think right here you have the difference between these candidates.

    Which is why … well, you know. Why she lost.

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    Doug H. (Fausto no more) says:

    Obama made comments about voters, certainly fair game for some needling from Clinton. Clinton simply made a historical reference that Obama’s camp twisted into something that it wasn’t.

    Don’t you have a ‘I’m A Whiny Cllinton Supporter Who’ll Let John McCain Bomb Iran’ lawn sign to make?

  45. 45
    Jack H. says:

    There’s a diary at Kos showing Fox personalities joking about Osama/Obama assassination. Guess it’s ‘out there now’ which means anyone can say it now. Sickening.

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), a Hillary supporter, told Bloomberg News that she said “the dumbest thing you could have possibly said.”

    I guess even Hillary supporters have limits as to what is acceptable. Of course, he is an AA, so the Clintonistas will dismiss him just as long as Hillary still gets his delegate vote.

    If he withdraws his support, her supporters will change that to “Judas”.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ, excellent post! I agree with everyone else, John should front page it. On target and to the point.

  47. 47
    John Cole says:

    Rangel said something similar after her “White people won’t vote for him” Appalachian tour.

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    Dreggas says:

    Queixada Says:

    Ted Kennedy may be convinced, but his other family members are fucking pissed.

    Well so much for the talking point that the Kennedy’s weren’t upset.

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    John Cole says:

    The thing that is so maddening about all of this that play Devil’s advocate and assume that EVERYTHING Hillary and her supporters claim is true- she got nothing but bad breaks, everyone is aligned against her because she is a woman, in short, everything they claim. Now, obviously there are some legitimate grievances, but to assume all of it is just nuts, but just assume every single last complaint is true.

    It still does not change the delegate math.

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    Dennis - SGMM says:

    On the day before Memorial Day, I just want to offer my thanks that Clinton has now fixed it so that she will never be in an office where the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard could “twist and distort her words.”

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    Dreggas says:

    John Cole Says:

    The thing that is so maddening about all of this that play Devil’s advocate and assume that EVERYTHING Hillary and her supporters claim is true- she got nothing but bad breaks, everyone is aligned against her because she is a woman, in short, everything they claim. Now, obviously there are some legitimate grievances, but to assume all of it is just nuts, but just assume every single last complaint is true.

    It still does not change the delegate math.

    Agreed but just as in the 90’s it’s never the Clintons’ fault. It’s everyone elses of course now she is the victim not only of a VRWC but a VLWC, VMC, and several other vast conspiracies because she cannot now, nor will she ever take responsibility for the fact that her campaign is complete and total shit and her own arrogance is partly to blame. What’s even more sad are the supporters who nod in ditto-head aggreement with her and can’t face up to the simple fact that it’s her own damn fault.

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    ThymeZone says:

    I imagine that this has been mentioned on these pages already, but …

    This might be the most vile thing I have ever seen on tv.

    { shakes head }

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    nightjar says:

    It still does not change the delegate math.

    Awe TEH MATH. The evil math, it cometh in the night and stealeth the Queens clothes and maketh sour grapes of the Coronation.

    I thinketh I’m gonna cry. hanky please.

    /snark

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    Dennis - SGMM says:

    It still does not change the delegate math.

    But, but, but, Clinton explained that the delegate math is complicated (She loses) but the electoral math is simple (She wins, of course). You guys just don’t understand the true marvelousness of a candidate who can lose her own party’s primaries and then go out and win in a nation where 49% of the people already have a low opinion of her.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Been traveling, what’d I miss?

    Hey JC, I’m in your state and everyone seems pretty fucking bitter about something.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Every goddam day for months now, I pray to God every time I turn on the TV, that the first thing I see isn’t some crime scene with a bunch of yellow tape and Secret Service crawling all over the place, and somber voices announcing that “this is another tragic moment in the history of American politics…”

    I just keep checking here.

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    jake says:

    “But I was deeply dismayed and disturbed that my comment would be construed in a way that flies in the face of everything I stand for (me) — and everything I am fighting for in this election (me again).”

    Altered to reflect Hillareality(TM).

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    Obama’s campaign did not twist anything. They did not attack her.

    Yes, but Obama did not condemn and disavow every single person who *did* attack her, ergo he is every bit as bad (and maybe even worse) than everyone who is attacking her.

    /hillary supporter

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    What I find fascinating about the primary is that throughout it, Obama has had to handle one ‘crisis’ after another, often with his fellow party member, who just happens to be his opponent, sticking a knife in him every chance she can. Not only sticking it in, but twisting it mercilessly to increase the damage. Add to that his having to handle anything McCain and the right threw at him, and you would have to be a total idiot not to see that Obama handled it all. The crap he has had to deal with would have taken down almost any other candidate, and probably have ruined their political career.

    He has what it takes to kick McCain and the republican party to the curb once and for all. No doubt about it. Obama and his team have shown that they run a tight operation, and their ground game is one of the best in political history. He has numbers behind him that Clinton just can’t get or has lost: pledged delegates, super delegates, contributors, cash and more. You name it, Obama has it. Hillary and her supporters can bitch all they want, but it does not change the fact that Obama has run a relatively clean campaign. One for the history books.

    Contrast this with the whining injured ‘victim’ that Hillary has played since it became clear that she was not going to win. Whenever Hillary bombs, she just refuses to admit it. Just flat out lies her way out of it, and the press has pretty much been letting her get away with it. While doing that, Hillary, Bill, her campaign and her supporters turn the world on its head and blames Obama, his campaign and his supporters for Hillary’s bombing.

    Sexism, racism and whatever other -ism they can come up with is used to berate everyone that they all just Hillary haters, Obama included. What is really odd is that since Hillary is losing, they are expecting this avenue to be a winner for them. That this will convince the delegates that she is THE candidate for the nomination.

    After seeing the non-stop train wreck that Hillary, her husband and her campaign have been, the delegates have to ask themselves this question ‘If the polls show that Hillary is losing to McCain coming in to November, who is she going to blame?‘. Because that is what is going to happen. She will be looking for someone to take the blame for her failure, just like she has throughout her Senate career and this campaign.

    Hillary is incapable of admitting fault. It just isn’t in her. Obama has shown that he can do this, and do it gracefully. Watching Obama and his campaign has been like watching a professional ice skate their way to the gold medal. Watching the Clinton campaign has been like watching Tonya Harding at her worst. Hillary is at the boxing stage of her meltdown now.

    It is not even a close contest. Obama has what it takes to win this fall, and Clinton does not. Obama has been, and is, a winner. Clinton is the perpetual victim.

    It is fascinating that her more rabid supporters are too blind to see this. They are not voting for Hillary because she is the best for America and the party. They are voting for her because she is Hillary, and Bill is her husband.

    That is a cult constituency. You will not convert these people, they are beyond reason. We will have to endure their ranting and raving about Obama and his supporters being ‘the problem‘, but that is what we get for backing a winner. If the super delegates are stupid enough to give this to Hillary, then they deserve the disaster they will unleash.

    It is good for Obama and the rest of us that there are more super delegates who can see that Obama is a winner. Even some of her super delegates, some of them being former super delegates of hers, agree. Gee, I wonder why?

    This. Is. Over. Hillary needs an intervention now. She has gone off the deep end, and she may end up losing her political career over it. Expect a stream of delegates away from her soon after the primary ends.

    You can bet on it.

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    Notorious P.A.T. says:

    linky:

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....115/522617

    Fair and balanced!

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    Krista says:

    There’s a diary at Kos showing Fox personalities joking about Osama/Obama assassination. Guess it’s ‘out there now’ which means anyone can say it now. Sickening.

    Beyond disgusting. I hope people complain loudly about this.

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    Beyond disgusting. I hope people complain loudly about this.

    We will, and they will just blame us for Fox doing it. Never mind who mentioned it first, it will be our fault. Oh, and they will make sure that Barack gets his share of the blame.

    Queen Hillary NEVER makes a mistake. NEVER! And her subjects want to make sure we understand that.

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    Mary says:

    The Fox thing is all over the place. Expect more sniggering from those morons as people complain, of course.

    And Billy, (who I supported and defended too long,) in the run up to the Texas primary, went on the RUSH LIMBAUGH SHOW (I checked Rush’s archives) to solicit Operation Chaos republicans to vote for Hillary .

    To be fair, that broadcast on Limbaugh was a show the guest host had recorded with Bill previously. So he went on some right wing jerk’s show, but it had been some time before that re-broadcast during the primary.

    Now I don’t know how much they were thrilled about or cooperating with Operation Chaos, but that Limbaugh factoid, which I had believed, too, isn’t true.

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    ResumeMan says:

    How “previously”? I knew that it was a guest host (not that that mitigates anything in my eyes, as it’s still Rush’s show), but I had been under the impression that it was live, or taped for that broadcast.

    Is that not correct? It went back far? Do you have an indication of how old that was?

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    Krista says:

    Well, I just emailed Fox News, with a cc to Rupert Murdoch’s office. I expect it to be filed under “Fuck off, lady”, but I had to do something.

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    w vincentz says:

    I expect Keith Olbermann to feature the disgusting Fox comments as part of “Worst Persons” or maybe a “Special Comment” on Monday night.

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    nightjar says:

    Beyond disgusting. I hope people complain loudly about this.

    In the long list of outrages from Fox, one more is like slamming the baker for putting too much sugar in the cookies.

    But I’m always up for a little Fox bashing.

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    When a Pox News employee jokes about killing both Osama and Obama in the same sentence, that should be career ending.

    But that is just the reasonable person in me speaking.

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    Some lines and comments from Jeff Lieber’s great diary at Kos, premised on ‘If I apologized like Hillary…’:

    When I referenced the Hindenburg, I was talking about the first twenty one minutes of the flight, not the part when it was set aflame and thirty-two people were burnt to a crisp.

    I’m really, truly and wholeheartedly sorry if you were too stupid to figure that out and were somehow offended by what I clearly wasn’t actually saying.

    Also… when I casually spoke of Abraham Lincoln’s assassination I was talking about how much I would have loved to see Laura Keene’s performance in Our American Cousin, not the fact that the President of the United states was shot in the head and died.

    I think about Laura Keen and Our American Cousin almost daily.

    She was never better than that night.

    I’m sorry… and sad… that wasn’t apparent to someone like you.

    Rwanda?

    French-Africa is just so beautiful in late May.

    And I don’t mention September 11th to try and terrify you into voting for me or to stir up hatred in Muslims or to justify a position I may have had on the Iraq War, but because September is my favorite month and 11 is my lucky number.

    I always play 11 in the lottery. And sometimes 22, which is double 11.

    If you KNEW me, that would be obvious.

    I’m truly sorry you don’t know me.

    Glad we could clear that all up!

    When I said “Go to Hell”, what I meant was not – I hope you roast in unquenchable fire for all eternity. What I really meant was – I think the dry heat will be really good for your arthritis.

    When I compared my opponent to Roman Polanski, it wasn’t to imply they both liked to have sex with underaged women. I just meant that Roman speeches were well written, like my opponents’ speeches, and like Mr. Polanski’s screenplays, and that–of course–Rome is lovely this time of year.

    And just because your squirmy, annoying children were standing by the brats, and my regional pronunciation and lingering sinus infection may have given a “short a” vowel sound to the word “brats,” doesn’t mean I was in any way impugning your parenting skills, which have been certified as non-dangerous multiple times by the Department of Child & Family Services. Which I had to call, of course, because you let the kids stand so close to the hot grilling meats…

    And I know when you spoke of Charles Manson, you were expressing your admiration for his compassion in taking in all those rootless young women and giving them a purpose in life. Only a moron would think you were talking about mass murder.

    Hillaryous diary!

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    Cain says:

    The thing that is so maddening about all of this that play Devil’s advocate and assume that EVERYTHING Hillary and her supporters claim is true- she got nothing but bad breaks, everyone is aligned against her because she is a woman, in short, everything they claim. Now, obviously there are some legitimate grievances, but to assume all of it is just nuts, but just assume every single last complaint is true.

    The problem is once you’ve bought into that, there is no going back. Everything can be retrofited into that world view. It’s why as a brown person I don’t fashion every bad interaction into racial terms. Because once you do getting out (if you even realize you’re in the hole) will be a difficult journey.

    You can only feel sorry for people who fall into that trap as there is no logical way to reach them…

    Hillary supporters started their journey back in 1999 and everything from then till now is going to be into the Hillary is the victim meme or is a fighter meme. There is nothing you can do. Ignore them and move on and hope they’ll come to terms with themselves and the situation.

    cain

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    Cain says:

    It looks like once the line is crossed it’s okay for everyone to talk about Obama and assassination isn’t it? Fox News should fire the woman. They won’t of course..

    I feverently hope for a financial crisis to hit Fox news… I want to see all of them begging on the street peniless..

    cain

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    I feverently hope for a financial crisis scandal to hit Fox news Rupert Murdoch… I want to see all of them begging on the street peniless him frog marched to prison..

    Improved.

    Cain, Hillary ought to use this for her campaign line:

    Hillary Clinton, the fighting victim who fights for the victim!

    Hillary will fight for you! If she loses or screws up she will be sure to find someone for you to blame it on.

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    Billy K says:

    I [heart] this blog.

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    […] Just consider for a moment the mendaciousness required on Clinton’s part to charge the Obama campaign with ignoring context and fueling a media firestorm (h/t John Cole). […]

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    Poking fun at the idiots at Hillaryis44:

    We need to fight like HELL, and we need to plan for victory, and expect it.

    Otherwise, we end up with another Geroge Bssh.

    This is from a “Hillary or McCain” voter. This is the “I wonder what will happen if I put the end of the barrel of this loaded pistol in my mouth and pull the trigger?” kind of stupid that exists there.

    God I cannot even spell his name right. Bush.

    God has nothing to do with it, but the fact that your family tree has no branches might have something to do with it.

    The details in the movie RECOUNT are a walk in the park compared to the dirty campaign that Axlerod Gibbs and BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA have carried out against Hillary.They are no doubt advising his cousin and the other mass murders in the various African countries under assault by these corrupt,vicious and murderous friends and relatives ,from which he emerged and has decided he is the answer to AA problems.This is ONE dangerous mad man.It is no wonder he put himself in Jeramiah’s hands.HEAR NO EVIL SPEAK NO EVIL SEE NO EVIL seems to be his style of denying all the negatives that are being brought to light. I wonder who in his campaign staff put together that link for rioting and all types of protest if OBAMA fails to be nominated.
    PEOPLE Log on to recreate68 and see the dangerous scheme of things that face this country if he is inserted into the Oval Office by threats,coercion,mayhem and mass rioting.

    By ABM90 The Housepainter used the same tactics. WAKE UP AMERICA

    Folks, this person wishes for you to believe that they are 90 year old lifelong Democrat who is as spry as a spring chicken (Ok, turkey) and voting “Hillary or McCain” this fall.

    Senility is a horrible thing to witness. Stupidity is almost as bad.

    If you put any of Hillary’s mis-steps beside Obamas, they pale in Comparison.

    That’s the big ‘C comparison, which is much worse that the small ‘c’ comparison. Important point!

    Now a sample of insanity from the admittedly OCD suffering Paul F. Villarreal after explaining how he is not ‘that‘ Paul Villarreal, who supports Ron Paul like his brother John D. Villarreal does:

    If I recall correctly, the shadow site’s authoress was congratulating herself while concomitantly excoriating me for using my real name on the internet. Something about how easy it is to track people, etc.

    Ha ha.

    The reason, my “sweetie”-sayer loving friend, while people can use their real names on the internet is because of incompetents such as yourself. That is, those who think 1+1 = 3 or who believe Harvard Law Review Presidents don’t know what their spiritual mentors of two decades preach.

    And thus concludes our episode of “Rudimentary Mistakes Astroturfers Make, Vol. 1,371, 033.”

    Thought you guys would get a kick out of that.

    Does the bolded section make even one bit of sense? I read that a couple of times before giving up. He is just insanely rambling utter gibberish now.

    But they are lapping that crap up like candy over there. Enough of a peek into the darkness of inanity, I mean insanity that is Hillaryis44, I don’t want to damage your minds.

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    Genine says:

    t’s why as a brown person I don’t fashion every bad interaction into racial terms. Because once you do getting out (if you even realize you’re in the hole) will be a difficult journey.

    I feel the same way, Cain. It can be a slippery slope. It’s very rare for me to put bad encounters on racial attitudes. Usually I chalk it up to the person just being an asshole.

    If I do think something is racist, there is actually something to it and if I express it, people who know me think there is something to it as well because I don’t toss that word about all willy-nilly.

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    Hooray! Hillary passed the new metric! She now needs MORE than five of the remaining delegates to every one Obama gets to win the nomination! In four days time (since May 21st), she has ‘improved’ her standing from needing three to every one for Obama to now needing more than five to every one.

    You go Hillary! Keep it up!

    6! 6! 6! Come on, you know she can do it!

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    Wonk says:

    If I recall correctly, the shadow site’s authoress was congratulating herself while concomitantly excoriating me for using my real name on the internet. Something about how easy it is to track people, etc.

    Ha ha.

    The reason, my “sweetie”-sayer loving friend, while people can use their real names on the internet is because of incompetents such as yourself. That is, those who think 1+1 = 3 or who believe Harvard Law Review Presidents don’t know what their spiritual mentors of two decades preach.

    That was directed at me. He claimed he’d donated to Clinton 12 times recently, and I posted a screen shot from HuffPo’s Fundrace of someone by the name of Paul Villarreal who had donated only $500 to the Clinton campaign, in early 2007, and contrasted it to the fact that I had maxed out to Obama the week before. He claims that wasn’t him.

    Thing is, that was the only person by the name of “Paul Villarreal” (and I double-checked it on Open Secrets) who had donated to Clinton at all. So either he’s lying about that being him, he’s lying about his real name, or he’s lying about having donated to Clinton at all.

    He’s become quite obsessed with me lately.

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    Beej says:

    At this point, if the super delegates actually did pull an eleventh hour switch and give the nomination to Hillary, there’s no way on God’s green earth she wins the general election. African American voters would stay home in droves. And so would I. And so, I’m betting, would many of you. And the Democrats can’t win without those votes.

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    Blue Raven says:

    African American voters would stay home in droves. And so would I. And so, I’m betting, would many of you.

    No, but there’s a real risk I’m going to have to help keep the rabid right from adding hate speech to the CA state constitution. I can’t sit that one out.

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    daveinboca says:

    Let’s see. The latest Gallup has Hillary over McCain nationally by five points—McCain over Obama by two points [and that’s not counting the ‘Bradley Effect” which has voters say they’re for Obama even if they’re not. So let’s say McCain over Obama by five points.

    Thank God for Repubs that the Dems have an inept fool, Dr. Dean the Scream Machine, in charge of the DNC. So far that moron has completely eliminated MI & FL [instead of halving their delegates as the Repubs did]. Does that stupid cretin think MI & FL will go Dem if Obama is the nominee? Dean is manna in the wilderness for the Repubs…..!

    Hillary gets Reagan Dems, women, union members who hunt & go to church, independents….

    Obama gets Hollyweirdos, academicides, MSM hacks & sluts, who did I leave out? Oh yeah, young people who don’t vote & blacks who may turn out….

    I don’t think Hill’s people will vote for The Anointed Messiah even if she’s Number Two…

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    Conservatively Liberal says:

    Not this (now former) independent, my wife or daughter. And we are all in her demographic. I am glad that you live by polls, I prefer facts. Hillary is losing by every single metric there is, but keep the faith baby!

    In the next two weeks, or less, you can expect to see enough of a migration of delegates to Obama that it will make Hillary a footnote in this race. It is all but over, and after Obama gets the lead he can seat MI & FL as is, and it won’t do Hillary one bit of good. Since he will control the Convention (majority delegate holder), Hillary will be left out in the cold.

    As she deserves to be. If I were Hillary, I would start worrying about her future, if she even has one left, in NY. She has some very upset people who want to have a little talk with her. ;)

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    sandflea says:

    ThymeZone: Brilliant. Exactly

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    John S. says:

    Let’s see.

    Yup.

    Still just a GOP hack from Boca Raton. Still waking up in a cold sweat because Ron Klein (D) is your rep? You can always comfort yourself with your Clay Shaw doll, little fella.

    I don’t know what will comfort you when Obama is president. You’ll have to start hitting the bottle.

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    nightjar says:

    wilderness for the Repubs…..!

    The new wingnut political domain for the foreseeable future. Don’t forget to pack plenty of socks and clean underwear and don’t eat the purple berries.

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