Hunh?

If you needed anymore evidence that the right-wing really is clogged with people who are little more than authoritarians with a built-up need to be servile to their leadership, check out this Captain Ed post in which he agrees that the reporter I linked last night was right on the facts, but still was wrong:

Earlier this week, AP reporter Glen Johnson acted unprofessionally by essentially heckling Mitt Romney during a press conference when Romney said that he would not be beholden to lobbyists if elected President. Even a bystander called Johnson “rude and ugly”, a moment caught on YouTube. However, the Boston Herald — a paper with a rightward bent — believes that Johnson may have won on the facts while losing on the visuals…

Does this make Johnson look any better? No, but it makes Romney look a little worse. Politicians like to deride lobbyists and claim that they will have no favors to repay when they get to Washington, but it’s hard to make that argument when more than a dozen of them raise funds for the candidate. Regardless of whether they “run” the campaign, these lobbyists have helped fund it, and that makes the anti-lobbyist rhetoric somewhat hypocritical, regardless of the parsing of the word “run”.

Got it? Romney lied out his ass, even right-wing newspapers are calling him on his bullshit, and Ed claims it was Johnson who was “rude and unprofessional.”

Apparently, the professional response would have been to swallow Romney’s bullshit and say nothing like a good little stenographer. I mean, how dare someone have the temerity to call a liar a liar? So rude!

This attitude really is appalling. It is not rude and unprofessinal to ask tough questions. it is not rude and unprofessional to argue with a candidate when they are lying (or, if you prefer it, “spinning.”). It is not rude to call bullshit. Mitt Romney is asking us for OUR vote. We owe him nothing, and he has to earn our respect.

He could start earning that respect by being honest. Until then, I encourage some more “unprofessional” and “rude” behavior.






92 replies
  1. 1
    Dennis - SGMM says:

    If reporters start challenging politicians on their bullshit the world as we know it will come to an end. Anarchy and chaos will prevail; dogs living with cats, two-headed calves, the hens will stop laying.

    We can’t have that now, can we?

  2. 2
    dslak says:

    I somehow doubt Ed would have found it so rude and unprofessional if Glen Johnson had pulled the same trick with Hillary.

  3. 3
    bob says:

    Isn’t it time for the Cap’n to move the “Blogs we monitor and mock” category? When has that phone room manager ever been right about anything but whether or not his slaves met their quota of snake oil sales for the day?

  4. 4
    myiq2xu says:

    How come when a reporter calls bullshit on a GOPer, he’s rude and unprofessional, but when the Big Dog gets up in a reporter’s grill for trying to ambush him he’s “unhinged?”

  5. 5
    Zuzu says:

    that phone room manager

    Is that true? Somehow it fits.

  6. 6
    Dave l says:

    Eternal deference is the price of liberty.

  7. 7
    Keith says:

    But it’s perfectly OK for journalists to write about the candidate’s “chiseled chin” and “broad shoulders”.

  8. 8
    Jake says:

    Does this make Johnson look any better?

    Yep, because looking good is all that matters. If you have the choice between looking purty and doing your damn job just remember: Style Uber Alles!

    Now, I’m sure that since he’s so concerned about the look of things he’s been all over Bill O’Lielly for mocking the idea that there are homeless vets.

    Right?

    [Crickets chirp]

  9. 9
    MattF says:

    I’m sure that every time Romney goes out into public view he girds himself with the three magic words: “Whatever it takes”.

  10. 10
    cbear says:

    I love this:

    Even a bystander called Johnson “rude and ugly…”

    Yep, even the wizened old crone, out for a glimpse of that wunnerfully handsome young Mormon boy, thought that uppity reporter was rude…and UGLY too.
    Cause, you know, in Ed’s world, dipshit old ladies down at the local Staples are the final arbiter on media matters in Amurica.

    Another proud example of gooper logic.

  11. 11
    KC says:

    “Whatever it takes”.

    Or, “I’ll bend over.”

  12. 12
    Dug Jay says:

    I recognize that it’s unlikely very many, if any, of you morons have actually seen the film of the encounter between Romney and the alleged reporter. The bystander’s description of the reporter’s actions as “rude and ugly” is clearly an accurate picture of what happened.

    As to Cole’s characterization of the Captain’s comments, it’s once again quite obvious that Cole couldn’t accurately describe anything more complicated than one of his own bowel movements, and there’s probably some doubt as to even that. The whole upshot of the two paragraphs that Cole has taken from the Captain is NOT to flatter Romney in the slightest, but rather to make the point that Romney came out worse than the reporter on the basis of the facts.

  13. 13
    Chris Johnson says:

    Reporters heckling politicians? Hurrah :)

  14. 14
    John Cole says:

    I recognize that it’s unlikely very many, if any, of you morons have actually seen the film of the encounter between Romney and the alleged reporter. The bystander’s description of the reporter’s actions as “rude and ugly” is clearly an accurate picture of what happened.

    Hrmm. Jackass. I linked the video last night. As to my description, I cut and pasted Ed’s comments and LINKED THEM.

    We really need better trolls here at Balloon Juice.

  15. 15
    Dug Jay says:

    I linked the video last night. As to my description, I cut and pasted Ed’s comments and LINKED THEM.
    Again, Cole proves my point. He has absolutely no ability whatsoever to grasp the simple meaning of several words strung together to make a declarative sentence. So you linked the video; how on earth does that refute what I said, namely, an expressed doubt that very many, if any, had viewed it. Secondly, I was not questioning the words excerpted from the Captain’s blog, but rather the absurd and grossly mischaracterized description of those very words by Cole, the jackass.

  16. 16
    libarbarian says:

    So you linked the video; how on earth does that refute what I said, namely, an expressed doubt that very many, if any, had viewed it.

    And how the hell is anyone going to PROVE that they watched it?

    So you can safely believe whatever you want and just call people liars when we tell you facts you dont want to hear.

  17. 17
    Dug Jay says:

    “…how on earth does that refute what I said, namely, an expressed doubt that very many, if any, had viewed it”

    The English comprehension levels among the host and many of the commenters on this blog must be at about the kindergarten level, if that.

  18. 18
    Dennis - SGMM says:

    You’re winning us over! Keep it up.

  19. 19
    Delia says:

    Well, DJ, it’s like this. Out here in the reality-based community people typically check out FACTS. That is, they will watch, say, a video recounting an encounter between a candidate and a reporter who challenges him or her before they comment on the episode. They will refer to this episode, which is called a FACT, when they discuss it. Someone who jumps into the conversation and starts calling everyone around him morons and kindergartners is viewed as a troll and a gooper, and not very smart to boot.

    This is the way life is.

  20. 20
    Brachiator says:

    This attitude really is appalling. It is not rude and unprofessinal to ask tough questions. it is not rude and unprofessional to argue with a candidate when they are lying (or, if you prefer it, “spinning.”). It is not rude to call bullshit. Mitt Romney is asking us for OUR vote. We owe him nothing, and he has to earn our respect.

    Slope. Meet slippery.

    First, it was the right wing deriding the supposed liberal bias of the “mainstream media.”

    Then it was the right wing complaining that the media was not sufficiently respectful of the president during a time of war (9/11 9/11).

    Now, it is the right wing complaining that the press is not sufficiently deferential to any Republican, even when they are clearly lying.

    But they also realize that if the lie is not challenged right away, the sound bite with the bullshit will get out first, and any correction will languish far behind. Then they can still hold onto the lie, and pretend that any challenge is just a bad old liberal trying to smear a right-thinking patriot.

  21. 21
    Wilfred says:

    If you needed anymore evidence that the right-wing really is clogged with people who are little more than authoritarians with a built-up need to be servile to their leadership,

    I didn’t.

  22. 22
    Nylund says:

    I watched the video. Yes, someone said he was rude. Who was that someone? Did they work for Mitt? I can comment you are rude. now we both have the same level of “facts”. Someone said someone else was rude! Stop the presses. But the point still stands. Mitt said no lobbyists were involved in his campaign. Then he backtracks and said no lobbyists are at the high level strategy meeting. Even if that is true, who cares? The point that Cole makes is that when you accept money from lobbyists, who end up owing them big time. Who cares if they ask for their favors in a strategy meaning or over a cocktail? Either way, Mitt has taken lots of money from lobbyists and they will surely ask for something in return should hell freeze over and he actually wins the general election.

    Glenn Johnson could have asked the same question while slapping his cock in mitt’s face. It wouldn’t change a thing. Mitt is in bed with the lobbyists and no amount of sophistry that comes out of his mouth will change that.

    If Glenn had said please and spoken in a gentler voice, would you change your opinion? Is his rudeness really the issue here? Its a bait and switch. Rather than talk about the substance of the claims, you concentrate on someone’s tone of voice?

  23. 23
    Tim (the other one) says:

    “gain, Cole proves my point. He has absolutely no ability whatsoever to grasp the simple meaning of several words strung together to make a declarative sentence.”

    This guy’s like fifteen right ? Read this in the voice of “comic book store” guy on the Simpsons.

  24. 24
    Sirkowski says:

    Dug Jay needs to renew his prescription.

  25. 25
    Perry Como says:

    Dug Jay needs to renew his prescription.

    Dug Jay is a poor replacement of his namesake.

  26. 26
    Brian says:

    Dug Jay Says:

    I recognize that it’s unlikely very many, if any, of you morons have actually seen the film of the encounter between Romney and the alleged reporter. The bystander’s description of the reporter’s actions as “rude and ugly” is clearly an accurate picture of what happened.

    As to Cole’s characterization of the Captain’s comments, it’s once again quite obvious that Cole couldn’t accurately describe anything more complicated than one of his own bowel movements, and there’s probably some doubt as to even that. The whole upshot of the two paragraphs that Cole has taken from the Captain is NOT to flatter Romney in the slightest, but rather to make the point that Romney came out worse than the reporter on the basis of the facts.

    The original post damns Johnson for rudeness and didn’t give any real credence to his claims, even stating “The point Romney wanted to make was that he would not be beholden to Washington special interests when he entered the White House. Candidates make these statements on a regular basis, and Romney could probably make that argument better than most. He doesn’t need money, obviously, at least not personally”

    This statement is now called into question since the revelation. Cap’n’s counter argument is, basically, yes Romney was not being honest, but Johnson was still rude.

    Which is pretty much what Mr. Cole said.

    As for the claim I highlighted, if you can find any mea culpas to Johnson on the facts, that would help. What there was seemed half-hearted and glancing to me, a “yeah but…” argument.

  27. 27
    myiq2xu says:

    Meanwhile, in Nevada, old school minority rep Delores Huerta pushes back at Obama’s mutually exclusive claim to have transcended race while at the same time seeking to be the minority candidate with the slogan “Como se llama, Obama?” (What’s your name, Obama?)

    The theme is that Obama is a newcomer but HRC and the Big Dog have been fighting for the interests of minorities for years.

    As for myself, the more I see of Obama the less I like. What really bugs me is his paens to conservative icons like Reagan.

    Yeah, I understand the concept of wooing the middle, but if he’s so persuasive why not bring them over here instead of going over there?

    BTW – This IS NOT and endorsement of HRC.

  28. 28
    fishbane says:

    It seems like “you’re ugly” is becoming the fundamental debate tactic of last resort amongst Republicans. Field tested with Moore (and sure, he is ugly, and has other problems), now calling a lie a lie can only be countered with “you’re rude and ugly!”.

    Sad. They’re going to have to spend a long time in the woodshed to learn how to be a decent opposition party again.

  29. 29
    borehole says:

    I’m sorry, but this whole post is built on a faulty premise. We’d be a lot better off if Captain Ed’s take on this WAS indicative of right-wing thought, but it’s actually indicative of the way our entire media establishment works. Using the word “works” loosely here. Frankly, I’m having a hard time imagining an ombudsman at a major media outlet backing Johnson up with any vigor.

    And not to pile on Dug Jay, as this is a pet peeve of mine in no way limited to those across the political aisle, but here’s an initiative we can all get behind: Anyone impugning the reading comprehension of others on a comment thread gets hooded, shackled, and sent to Camp Come Up With a Semi-Clever Comeback.

    Anyone demanding a new keyboard/monitor/other peripheral just gets rendered to Syria.

  30. 30
    RoonieRoo says:

    Tim (TOO)

    Read this in the voice of “comic book store” guy on the Simpsons.

    That totally cracked me up. I had to go back and read DJ’s ranting using the voice of the “comic book store guy” and darn that was funny! I’m going to start applying that rule to all trolls.

    I just told my husband that and now he is walking around doing the comic book store guy’s voice. Thanks for livening up my Saturday!

    BTW, I heart “rude” reporters. We need more of them on the campaign trail following ALL the candidates.

  31. 31
    Dennis - SGMM says:

    As for myself, the more I see of Obama the less I like. What really bugs me is his paens to conservative icons like Reagan.

    Obama said Reagan and JFK, during their respective eras, put the nation on a “fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.”

    He also said;“The Republican approach I think has played itself out. I think it’s fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time over the last 10 or 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you’ve heard it all before. You look at the economic policies, when they’re being debated among the presidential candidates, it’s all tax cuts. Well, we’ve done that, we’ve tried it.”

    Neither statement was exactly a paean of praise. I think it’s fair to say that JFK and Reagan were both transformational figures because they appeared, at least, to be capable of delivering at a time when the nation was ready for a change in direction.

    Bill Clinton, who is rapidly devolving from being the Big Dog to Hillary’s little attack doggie, morphed Obama’s last statement above into:

    “Her principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good ideas,” Clinton said, adding, “I’m not making this up, folks.”

  32. 32
    myiq2xu says:

    Obama said Reagan and JFK, during their respective eras, put the nation on a “fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.”

    Listen: I want a liberal/progressive President. I’m tired of this “He’s really a liberal, he just talks like a conservative” bullshit. That makes him a liar.

    Or maybe he just transcended truth.

    Bill Clinton, who is rapidly devolving from being the Big Dog to Hillary’s little attack doggie

    CDS can be treated. The first step is admitting you have a problem.

  33. 33
    Zuzu says:

    Dug Jay Says:

    I recognize that it’s unlikely very many, if any, of you morons have actually seen the film of the encounter

    That’s probably why so many actually quoted from it at the original thread.

    But never hurts to start off with a good wingnut talking point!

  34. 34
    Dennis - SGMM says:

    CDS? I voted for the man in two elections. My problem with him at present is that rather than refuting Obama’s policies Clinton is making shit up. We ought to leave that kind of thing to the Republicans. I’m a bit surprised that a politician of Clinton’s ability isn’t helping his wife to run a smarter campaign.

  35. 35
    Zuzu says:

    “gain, Cole proves my point. He has absolutely no ability whatsoever to grasp the simple meaning of several words strung together to make a declarative sentence.”

    This guy’s like fifteen right ? Read this in the voice of “comic book store” guy on the Simpsons.

    Done

  36. 36
    myiq2xu says:

    Looks like the Clagina smoked the Magic Unity Pony in Nevada.

    Edwards sucks hind tit again.

  37. 37
    The Other Steve says:

    Looks like the Clagina smoked the Magic Unity Pony in Nevada.

    Not surprising, it is one of the states she’s routinely polled the highest at.

    The thing that is interesting, is Republican turnout versus Democratic. I’m wondering if every mormon in the state didn’t go out and vote for Romney?

  38. 38
    mere mortal says:

    That reporter’s behavior was objectionable because it displayed a standard not applied to other candidates. Namely, the reporter interrupted a candidates campaign appearance in mid sentence, applied the reporter’s own interpretation of the candidate’s claim instead of the candidate’s claim, and declared that the candidate was lying.

    Romney said he didn’t have lobbyists “running” his campaign, and a reporter shouted out that it wasn’t true. In the resulting confrontation, the reporter declared Romney was lying because he had a lobbyist as an adviser. Romney says his advisers don’t run his campaign.

    How many of the candidates have to face reporters telling them their claims are untrue based upon the reporter’s alternate interpretation? How many candidates could survive such a standard?

    By the way, the woman’s description of “ugly” was most likely a characterization of his behavior, not his appearance.

  39. 39
    Tsulagi says:

    If you needed anymore evidence that the right-wing really is clogged with people who are little more than gutless authoritarians with a built-up need to be servile to their leadership, check out this Captain Ed post

    You don’t need to go that far, you can get it right here…

    The bystander’s description of the reporter’s actions as “rude and ugly” is clearly an accurate picture of what happened.

  40. 40
    Dennis - SGMM says:

    This campaign is getting classy real fast:

    Obama Campaign Releases Recording Of Alleged Dirty-Trick Call Targeting “Barack Hussein Obama”

    No word yet on the origin of the calls.

  41. 41
    Davis X. Machina says:

    Romney lied out his ass, even right-wing newspapers are calling him on his bullshit…

    It’s not ‘lying’. It’s ‘serving a higher truth’.

    ‘Conformity with the facts’ is an antiquated, bourgeois, definition of the truth.

    Romney’s statement possesses revolutionary truth, a higher order of truth, soaring above the dialectial opposites of ‘truth’ and ‘falsity’.

    Correctly oriented Party cadres know this.

  42. 42
    r€nato says:

    So you linked the video; how on earth does that refute what I said, namely, an expressed doubt that very many, if any, had viewed it

    I watched it. 3 times.

  43. 43
    AkaDad says:

    “Her principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good ideas,” Clinton said, adding, “I’m not making this up, folks.”

    Bill Clinton doesn’t have to lie, but he does. This is why I don’t want the Clintons in the White House. I’m tired of this garbage.

  44. 44
    Xanthippas says:

    So you linked the video; how on earth does that refute what I said, namely, an expressed doubt that very many, if any, had viewed it.

    I watched it. It wasn’t rude or ugly. Try again.

  45. 45
    Dennis - SGMM says:

    Bill Clinton doesn’t have to lie, but he does.

    It just depends on what the meaning of “is” is.

  46. 46
    myiq2xu says:

    Bill Clinton doesn’t have to lie, but he does. This is why I don’t want the Clintons in the White House. I’m tired of this garbage.

    Oh Puhleeze!

    After G-Dub, calling the Big Dog a liar is like calling Mother Theresa a whore.

  47. 47
    AkaDad says:

    After G-Dub, calling the Big Dog a liar is like calling Mother Theresa a whore.

    Well, is she?

    /guess the movie reference

  48. 48
    AkaDad says:

    BTW, two wrongs don’t make a right.

  49. 49

    “You’re a fucking liar,” would’ve been rude and unprofessional, “that’s not true,” is a challenge. Mitt is a serial liar, not your garden variety spinner, but out and out liar. A jouralist ought to be calling BS, ought to, but we all know how rare that it any more.

    My wife asked me the other day if people like Dug Jay actually believe the things they say, I assured her they do. She thinks I have a low opinion of the intelligence of, say, Bill O’Liely.

  50. 50
    OxyCon says:

    I don’t agree with the way Glen Johnson interacted with Romney. I think he should have said “What kind of crack do you people smoke on Planet Kolob?” instead.

  51. 51
    scott says:

    Remember when this kind of reporter vs scumbag politician was, well, a regular event? Anybody remember Sam Donaldson.

    How far we, and the press corpse, has fallen.

  52. 52
    marty says:

    “We owe him nothing, and he has to earn our respect.”

    Campaign flunkies ought to keep this in mind as well. One of Mitt’s assholes was recorded berating the reporter for “being rude to the candidate” as if “THE CANDIDATE” is some kind of deity.

    These people are supposedly holding themselves out to be elected our servants….not our overlords.

    More of this reporter’s “unprofessionalism” please. It’s long overdue

  53. 53
    LiberalTarian says:

    I don’t like rudeness, but I will point out that it is also rude to lie through your teeth to wedge yourself into the office that is supposed to house the country’s highest public servant. I prefer honest rudeness to stenographic sycophancy dressed up as infotainment.

    My vote is for a rude press who asks questions that give us a chance to meaningfully participate in our democracy.

    If the networks must give us infotainment, have Katie Couric ask irreverent, meaningful questions while she spins the tassels on her sparkly purple nipple pasties. The candidate will be too gobsmacked to lie about it. Although I suppose, many viewers will be too, but after they watch it 1800 times they’ll remember what was said.

    Just ask questions with answers that matter, and make the candidate give decent answers. If he lies, use all the pretty language you want–menadacity, dissembling, factually challenged, whatever–but call him a liar!

  54. 54
    The Other Steve says:

    How many of the candidates have to face reporters telling them their claims are untrue based upon the reporter’s alternate interpretation? How many candidates could survive such a standard?

    It’s the standard used for Democrats, so I don’t understand. Are you saying it is unfair to apply this to Republicans, or just to Mitt?

  55. 55
    LiberalTarian says:

    I think the standard applied to Democrats is one of the reasons they are better leaders–it’s a higher standard.

  56. 56
    The Other Steve says:

    Ahh, the Nevada results are confusing. For the Democrats they are showing the count of state delegates. But the real turnout was 114,000 for the Democrats. Compared to 43,000 for the Republicans.

    Oh, Obama is claiming he won more districts and therefore more national delegates. But there is some confusion as to whether that is correct, as I don’t think those delegates are chosen until they get to their state convention.

  57. 57
    Zuzu says:

    Campaign flunkies ought to keep this in mind as well. One of Mitt’s assholes was recorded berating the reporter for “being rude to the candidate” as if “THE CANDIDATE” is some kind of deity.

    These people are supposedly holding themselves out to be elected our servants….not our overlords.

    Recommended: Alexandra Pelosi’s documentary “Travels with George,” wherein she asks canddiate Bush about the record number of executions in Texas and is subsequently frozen out for a suitable amount of time.

    Access is everything.

  58. 58
    The Other Steve says:

    myiq2xu might want to look at this from the Clinton website

    It’s a copy of an endorsement Clinton received, and apparently when they interviewed Hillary they got an interesting response.

    But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents – Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan – demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.

  59. 59
    myiq2xu says:

    myiq2xu might want to look at this from the Clinton website

    Jeebus, can you read?

    BTW – This IS NOT and endorsement of HRC.

  60. 60
    Zuzu says:

    Oops, “Journeys with George.”

  61. 61
    myiq2xu says:

    Oh my, it looks like the Big Dog was right!

    The Nevada caucus rules will likely give the Magic Unity Pony more delegates even though HRC won the popular vote.

    Can Obamaniacs say “disenfranchisement?”

  62. 62
    The Other Steve says:

    Jeebus, can you read?

    I was referring to your complaint about candidates saying nice things about Reagan. Thought it was an intellectually dishonest cheapshot.

    Want me to find some examples of Edwards invoking Reagan too?

  63. 63
    The Other Steve says:

    Here it is… The At-Large caucus results

    Bellagio – Hillary 58%
    Luxor – Obama 56%
    Mirage – Clinton 54%
    Rior – Clinton 53%
    Caesars – Obama 52%
    Paris – Clinton 69%
    Flamingo – Clinton 51%
    Wynn – Clinton 51%
    New York – Clinton 59%

    Delegate counts:
    Clinton – 268
    Obama – 224

    Good thing for Clinton her petty little lawsuit didn’t go forward, eh?

  64. 64
    myiq2xu says:

    Want me to find some examples of Edwards invoking Reagan too?

    Please don’t, I’m already running out of Democrats to vote for.

  65. 65

    Regarding saying nice things about Reagan, when I said, “He sucks big” I wasn’t complimenting his technique.

  66. 66
    Peter Johnson says:

    What Johnson did didn’t happen in vacuum. The press has been unfair to Romney from the start. They’ve singlehandedly turned McRINO into the “front-runner.”

  67. 67
    Peter Johnson says:

    Anyone impugning the reading comprehension of others on a comment thread gets hooded, shackled, and sent to Camp Come Up With a Semi-Clever Comeback.

    Ironic that the same liberals who want to close GITMO have no compunction about sayings like this.

  68. 68
    Anne Laurie says:

    Mitt Romney is asking us for OUR vote. We owe him nothing, and he has to earn our respect.

    He could start earning that respect by being honest.

    He might if he were capable of honesty. But all prior evidence indicates that Willard is deeply committed to his true religion — not Mormonism, but Romney-vangelism. Whether you label it ‘narcissism’ or ‘sociopathy’, a normal person (much less a politician) wouldn’t think a story about torturing the family dog in front of his traumatized kids was “heartwarming”, or insist that he really wanted to spend his youth as a grunt in Vietnam rather than a ‘missionary’ in Paris, or claim that his celebrity father had marched with Dr. King when ten minutes on Google would prove it never happened. When Romney said he didn’t have lobbyists on his team, he truly believed… that Candidate Romney was the kind of Honest Politician who Didn’t Kowtow to Lobbyists. The actual facts-are-stupid-things *truth*, that Willard’s “good friends” are self-labelled lobbyists, that at least some of those old friends are currently taking money from Romney/Bain Capital/the RNC, that even the most casual examination of Willard’s campaign offices would prove this unseemly proximity — none of this could penetrate Willard ‘Mitt’ Romney’s forcefield of self-regard. Willard is the epitome of the old joke about successful salesmen: He’s sold himself into believing the bullshit he spouts so earnestly & disingenously.

  69. 69
    myiq2xu says:

    Peter Johnson Says:

    Anyone impugning the reading comprehension of others on a comment thread gets hooded, shackled, and sent to Camp Come Up With a Semi-Clever Comeback.

    Ironic that the same liberals who want to close GITMO have no compunction about sayings like this.

    Reading is fundamental.

  70. 70

    The press has been unfair??? Oh booohoooo.

    Did the press decide to castrate the lying sack when he stood on stage in front of the cameras on a Republican stage and lied? He bald facedly stated that we went to war with Iraq because Saddam threw out the inspectors when in actual fact GWB pulled them himself, he ordered them out. When confronted later with the untruth he stated that he was taken out of context. Not so, either. Except he wasn’t then on stage in front of ignorant ass Republicans. And no, the press didn’t go after him for a documented lie, not a flip-flop, not spin, a bald faced lie.

    You are an asshole, Peter. You prove it practically every time you log onto these comments. It’s not your political ideology that makes you an asshole, it is your disregard for facts in favor of ideological fantasy. That is all it takes. Not conservatism, just plain fantasy.

  71. 71
    Robert Johnston says:

    myiq2xu Says:

    Want me to find some examples of Edwards invoking Reagan too?

    Please don’t, I’m already running out of Democrats to vote for.

    Damn you for saying it first!

  72. 72
    myiq2xu says:

    The press has been unfair to Romney from the start.

    Well, in comparison to Chimpy or the Magic Unity Pony, yes. They can do no wrong in the eyes of the press.

    In comparison to Edwards? The press won’t even acknowledge he exists. Negative reporting would be a step up for him.

    In comparison to HRC? Bwwwwaaaaahahahahahahaha!

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    Johnny Pez says:

    BTW, two wrongs don’t make a right.

    But three do.

    /Deteriorata

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    myiq2xu says:

    Johnny Pez Says:

    BTW, two wrongs don’t make a right.

    But three do.

    /Deteriorata

    Three wrongs don’t make a right – three lefts make a right.

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    mclaren says:

    Why call them “authoritarians”? Call ’em what they are — democracy-hating bully-worshippers. My standard line to the far right is:

    “If you hate democray so much, stop trying to change America and just emigrate to North Korea.”

    Democracy and freedom: love it or leave it.

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    James says:

    It’s like when Stephen Colbert and the temerity to lampoon bush in front of bush, and Richard Cohen of the Post complained that that was a rude thing to do; as though politicians are owed our deference rather than our derision when they do something wrong.

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    bago says:

    That reporter’s behavior was objectionable because it displayed a standard not applied to other candidates. Namely, the reporter interrupted a candidates campaign appearance in mid sentence, applied the reporter’s own interpretation of the candidate’s claim instead of the candidate’s claim, and declared that the candidate was lying.

    Romney said he didn’t have lobbyists “running” his campaign, and a reporter shouted out that it wasn’t true. In the resulting confrontation, the reporter declared Romney was lying because he had a lobbyist as an adviser. Romney says his advisers don’t run his campaign.

    So calling bullshit is no longer the role of a reporter? Perhaps I’m silly and obsolete but one would thing that the ENTIRE FUCKING ROLE of the press is to call bullshit when they see it.I mean that’s the entire value add of a press member. If I wanted transcripted press releases I could go to the candidates websites. I am not going to pay for a fucking copy command. I WILL pay for analysis and source checking. Glenn Greenwald is fucking money. Glenn beck is a fucking poser. One pathologically uses citations and hyperlinks and the other uses ad homenim attacks and is suprised by how disturbing his subconscious is. If elevated GABA and Dopamine levels lead you to a dark place… well… you really need to consider why you consider neurotransmitter happiness a dark place.

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    bago says:

    And the sands is total ass. At 3 am it is Cheeze Whiz food. Fuck that.

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    Svensker says:

    Peter Johnson Says:

    Anyone impugning the reading comprehension of others on a comment thread gets hooded, shackled, and sent to Camp Come Up With a Semi-Clever Comeback.

    Ironic that the same liberals who want to close GITMO have no compunction about sayings like this.

    Because making a joke about “Camp Come Up with a Semi-Clever Comeback” is just like keeping someone in isolation on an island far from home, being subjected to “harsh interrogation techniques” with no access to family and no legal rights.

    But the good thing is, at least this points up the kind of thinking necessary to keep the 29% playing with the empty bag of Cheetos.

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    myiq2xu says:

    Because making a joke about “Camp Come Up with a Semi-Clever Comeback” is just like keeping someone in isolation on an island far from home, being subjected to “harsh interrogation techniques” with no access to family and no legal rights

    And making fun of stupids on the intertoobs is the same a wearing brownshirts, traveling in packs and beating up anyone you find objectionable.

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    ImJohnGalt says:

    TOS:

    t’s a copy of an endorsement Clinton received, and apparently when they interviewed Hillary they got an interesting response.

    The author apparently says this was a mischaracterization.

    But, I’m not for either Obama or HRC, so I could care less who wins. I’ll vote for either one, although I’d still rather have Edwards.

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    Blue Jean says:

    /Guess the movie reference.

    No contest. It’s Road House one of the funniest bad movies of all time, which depicts Missouri (my home state) as a strange limbo where small time thugs run entire towns, doctors wear their sixth grade 4-H projects to go clubbing, and you can rent a fabulous loft for a hundred bucks a month. Must be the same planet where all the authoritarians come from.

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    Brachiator says:

    What Johnson did didn’t happen in vacuum. The press has been unfair to Romney from the start.

    It’s impossible to be unfair to Romney. He is an empty suit, a coward and a bully. If somehow he became president, he would panic at the first crisis he faced, and do something incredibly foolish and destructive in an attempt to prevent anyone from seeing how insubstantial he was. He should be exposed for the unbearable lightness of nothingness that he is at every opportunity.

    Romney reminds me of the character Johnny Tyler (played by Billy Bob Thornton) in the movie “Tombstone.” He acts tough, but practically pees own pants when he is faced down by the real deal, Kurt Russell’s Wyatt Earp.

    Johnny Tyler: You run your mouth awful reckless for a man that don’t go heeled.

    Wyatt Earp: No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you….

    Wyatt Earp: [Tyler reaches for his gun] Go ahead, skin it! Skin that smokewagon and see what happens…

    Johnny Tyler: [pauses, scared] M-mister, I’m gettin’ tired of your…

    Wyatt Earp: [slaps Tyler across the face, unafraid] I’m gettin’ tired of all your gas, now jerk that pistol and go to work!

    Wyatt Earp: [slaps him harder, now completely steely-eyed] I said throw down, boy!

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    Cyrus says:

    That reporter’s behavior was objectionable because it displayed a standard not applied to other candidates. Namely, the reporter interrupted a candidates campaign appearance in mid sentence, applied the reporter’s own interpretation of the candidate’s claim instead of the candidate’s claim, and declared that the candidate was lying.

    Romney said he didn’t have lobbyists “running” his campaign, and a reporter shouted out that it wasn’t true. In the resulting confrontation, the reporter declared Romney was lying because he had a lobbyist as an adviser. Romney says his advisers don’t run his campaign.

    In that case what Romney was saying was completely meaningless, and he deserved to be called out for that. You’re saying that the only point Romney was trying to make was that the person officially in charge of strategy for his campaign is not a lobbyist? He wasn’t trying to imply anything about independence from lobbyists or corporate interests? OK, fair enough, but then who the hell cares? Any campaign will only have one person officially in charge of it, that person’s name and résumé is usually pretty well known, and it’s a big enough job that he or she probably can’t be a lobbyist on the side. Whether the person with the title “head of Romney’s campaign” is a lobbyist is completely irrelevant, and unlikely in general in the first place. So either Glen Johnson was right and Romney was stating deliberately and directly implying something untrue, or Romney was just expounding into the air… nothing. The press can go ahead and call him out for wasting everyone’s time, then.

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    conumbdrum says:

    What Johnson did didn’t happen in vacuum. The press has been unfair to Romney from the start. They’ve singlehandedly turned McRINO into the “front-runner.”

    Peter Johnson’s point was about 50% valid, actually… as good an average as you’ll ever see from him. Of course, the remaining half is typical 29 Percenter hogwash, so…

    Jebus, has the complicity of the press in whitewashing John McCain ever been a truly sickening spectacle. Last night I heard some MSNBC dingbat call McCain a “liberal Republican,” while I was biting into a sandwich, and ended up coughing up bits of toast for ten minutes.

    No doubt that the media has savaged Romney while lionizing McCain, which is, as Peter claims, “unfair”… of course, his objection is completely bass-ackwards: he wants Romney to get the same fluff job from the press that Saint John has enjoyed for ages. Tool.

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    TenguPhule says:

    So calling bullshit is no longer the role of a reporter?

    Yes. THBAEOSATSQ.

    Because The New Media has decided that Calling Bullshit is too expensive, much easier to just play along and suck hind tit.

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    The Other Steve says:

    The author apparently says this was a mischaracterization.

    So? She still said nice things about Reagan.

    Clearly she floats and is made out of wood.

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    The Other Steve says:

    No contest. It’s Road House one of the funniest bad movies of all time

    Not only funny, and bad.

    But philosophical as well! :-)

    All you have to do is follow three simpIe ruIes.
    One: never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected.
    Two: take it outside. Never start anything inside the bar unIess it’s absoIuteIy necessary.
    And three: be nice.
    Come on.
    If somebody gets in your face and calls you a cocksucker, I want you to be nice.
    OK.
    Ask him to walk, be nice.
    If he won’t walk, walk him. But be nice.
    If you can’t walk him, one of the others will help you.
    And you’ll both be nice.
    I want you to remember that it’s a job.
    – It’s nothing personal.
    – Uh-huh. Being called a cocksucker isn’t personaI?
    No. It’s two nouns combined to eIicit a prescribed response.
    What if somebody calls my mama a whore?
    Is she?
    (laughter)
    I want you to be nice… …until it’s time to not be nice.

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    Brachiator says:

    Peter Johnson’s point was about 50% valid, actually… as good an average as you’ll ever see from him. Of course, the remaining half is typical 29 Percenter hogwash, so…

    Nah. He’s 100% full of it. Romney was trying to create a sound bite which would demonstrate that he was not a typical politician. The average viewer would not think hard about the distinction between a lobbyist running a campaign and a lobbyist involved with a campaign.

    I think it is great that the reporter not only called Romney on his BS, but also ruined the sound bite. This should happen more often with any lying candidate, but obviously will happen with every other word that Romney utters.

    Because The New Media has decided that Calling Bullshit is too expensive, much easier to just play along and suck hind tit.

    Hell, apparently it is becoming too expensive to cover the news at all.

    I’m sure that right wingnuts will applaud this sad situation, but The LA Times recently dumped its editor. As the NY Times notes, “The top editor of The Los Angeles Times has been forced out for resisting newsroom budget cuts, executives at the paper said Sunday, marking the fourth time in less than three years that the highest-ranking editor or the publisher has left for that reason.”

    The full story can be found here:

    Los Angeles Times Editor Forced Out

    Soon, the only thing left will be bloggers, sell-out pundits, and entertainment shows (e.g., a new reality show such as “Access Washington” or “Entertaining Politics Tonight,” featuring a story about how Romney is offering to save Britney’s life by making her his second wife).

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    Blue Jean says:

    LOL, Other Steve!

    Don’t forget the two best (worst) lines of dialogue in the history of cinema;

    “Pain don’t hurt.”

    and

    “You’re too STUPID to have fun!!”

    Oddly enough, I find myself muttering the same lines when I see hapless drunks slip on the ice in the parking lot.

    But, hey, Patrick Swayze looks hot, so that makes up for a lot.

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    conumbdrum says:
    Peter Johnson’s point was about 50% valid, actually… as good an average as you’ll ever see from him. Of course, the remaining half is typical 29 Percenter hogwash, so…

    Nah. He’s 100% full of it. Romney was trying to create a sound bite which would demonstrate that he was not a typical politician. The average viewer would not think hard about the distinction between a lobbyist running a campaign and a lobbyist involved with a campaign.

    Well, my point was that Herr Johnson was full of shit in his defense of Romney, but correct in his assessment that McCain has had the press playing Stepin Fetchit on his behalf for years. So I graded Peter on the curve.

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    Poor Mittens. He just keeps getting hammered for lying out his ass.

    Who DIDN’T Let The Dog Out?

    Poo! Poo! Poo!

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