He’s an idiot for lots of reasons, but if he had said putting Lieberman on the GOP ticket would swing the election to the Repubs it wouldn’t be one of them.
They’ve been floating this fusion ticket for a while; Lieberman gives them Florida and a decent shot in New York with Giuliani. Fear + Israel + Lieberman = White House.
Kristol is floating these possible tickets the same way the way the Weekly Standard started pushing Mucousy. He gets his talking points from the White House and whoever’s puppeting Rove.
The one remaining reason I’m still happy that Gore didn’t become Pres in 2000 is that Lieberman would have been V.P. I would have had to volunteer for the Secret Service to be certain sure nothing happened to Big Al.
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Punchy
Has anyone ever ran twice for Vice on opposite party tickets?
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Jake
Calling Bill Kristol An Idiot … passes up the opportunity to call him “unhinged.”
But at the very least, Billie’s idea would force Lieberman to give up the charade that he’s an Independent.
Lieberman gives them Florida and a decent shot in New York with Giuliani.
I don’t see it, especially with the way Lieberman is bleeding support in Connecticut. Democrats just don’t like him anymore, and might be driven to the polls in greater numbers just to return the big finger he’s given us since we refused to give him better than a 5th place finish in New Hampshire in 2004.
By God, “Mucousy” has to be the best pseudonym assigned to our new Attorney General. Wilfred, may I steal that?
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Wilfred
Demi, Property is theft, or was that Popery? Whatever, it’s all yours.
Incertus: Maybe you’re right, but somehow Gore/Lieberman got robbed in Florida while Bush/Cheney2 won easily. I’m betting they’ve got the election clocked to a few districts where Lieberman’s appeal as an ur-Israel booster will make the difference in a tight election, same thing in New York if Giuliani is the candidate, which seems increasingly likely given his connections with our new AG.
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ATS
If Liebermann were President we’d by at war with half the moslem world and Israel would control out foreign policy— often against our own geopolitical interests.
That is to say, it would make no difference whatever.
There, I’m all relaxed now.
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heywood jablomy
Giuliani-Lieberman?
Bwaaaahaaaahaaaa!!!!! That’s the most unhinged thing he’s said to date.
Yeah, America’s really ready for a Knesset. I’m Jewish and I’d vote for David Duke first.
He must be drinking absinthe. It’s the only explanation.
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Delia
Prof. Howard Gardner says there are seven or eight different kinds of intelligence.
I’m willing to bet that Bloody Bill’s an idiot in all of them.
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Bruce Moomaw
Believe me, while I agree with him entirely about the futility of sticking Lieberman on the ticket (although we may very well see it anyway, particularly if McCain is the nominee — which can no longer be quite ruled out), it’s going to take a hell of a lot to make me look favorably on Daniel Larison as a commentator after I ran across that extraordinary note of his that I sent to John in an E-mail 10 days ago, in which Larison announces that the fall of slavery in the Confederacy was actually a net loss for the cause of “freedom”, and a gain for “arbitrary, coercive government”. (It’s always wise to keep in mind that Larison has written for “Chronicles”, correctly described by the New Republic as “a journal of Confederate nostalgia”.)
Yes, Virginia, there are worse things than the Neocons. Much, much worse.
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Zifnab
But why stop with Guliani-Lieberman? Why not a Romney-Feinstein ticket? How about McCain-Nelson? Who are we kidding here? I’m sure the Blue Dogs will be lining up in droves to fill the ranks of the Republican Party. Lieberman is only the tip of the iceburg. It’ll be White Flight all over again, with conservative Dems jumping ship because the Howard Dean wing of the Democratic Party has just gotten so absolutely out of control with their lobbyist crackdown bills and their end-the-war bills. It will be completely intolerable to all the Very Serious People(tm) on the “left”.
Larison announces that the fall of slavery in the Confederacy was actually a net loss for the cause of “freedom”
Freedom is Slavery.
You know. I just don’t get it.
Treatises such as that give me the sneaking suspicion that if the Japanese hadn’t bombed Pearl Harbor* people would be clucking their tongues over the terrible and unjustifiable damage we inflicted on the Germans.
G.A.H!
* Yes, I know. You’d have to re-write a lot of history to get heavy US invovlement without the PH attack. Humor me.
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Andy K
Bruce Moomaw-
Gotta love how Larison steers clear of the 3/5 Compromise and all of the ill will it bred(disproportionate Southern representation in the House and the Electoral College, the Missouri Compromise and Bleeding Kansas). The nation was dyin’ before Lincoln was elected.
Don’t know if I’d call Larison an idiot, but he’s certainly disingenuous.
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maxbaer (not the original)
Lieberman gives them Florida and a decent shot in New York
I live in a pretty hardcore Republican district in NY and we kicked John “Kickass” Sweeney to the curb last year. Besides which, it’s not like Guiliani is even going to carry NYC.
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ConservativelyLiberal
Well, I would have to say that Bill Kristol does a pretty good job of talking while maintaining a perfect vacuum between his ears.
That you have to have a perfect vacuum between your own ears to understand what he is saying is a problem though. Only 28% of Americans are capable of this.
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maxbaer (not the original)
Oh, what a wonderful little bit of kismet:
CLIFTON PARK — Former U.S. Rep. John Sweeney was charged with drunken driving early this morning after a traffic stop on the Northway, State Police said.
The arrest was the latest embarrassment for a one-time Congressional rising star whose re-election campaign was derailed last year by allegations of domestic violence.
Sweeney was pulled over by a state trooper on the Northway in Saratoga County at 1:20 a.m., police said.
But, he did have a 23 year old woman on his lap when the trooper spotted him. So it wasn’t all bad.
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slippytoad
Idiot doesn’t begin to cover the kinds of things I think about when Bill Kristol enters my mind.
I utterly cannot stand even looking at his face, he’s so goddamn stupid.
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conumdrum
At this point, something much more precious to Bloody Bill Kristol than the lives of our troops and the stability of America is at stake… his reputation. And no price – none – is too high to shore his cred up.
Ironically, his every attempt to extricate himself from his Pit of Suck only mires him deeper. I saw a recent column where he confidently predicts that victory in Iraq will be ours sometime in early 2008, resulting in a GOP landslide in November. Think we should start watching his hands for telltale signs of crack pipe burns?
I dream of a world where the likes of Kristol have to risk their own assets every time they make one of their high-flown predictions. He’d have been living in a cardboard box and eating from KFC dumpsters months ago.
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kim
Lieberman as a VP candidate? Look at how well that worked for Al Gore, lol! Cheney creamed Lieberman in pre-election debates. Today its hard to imagine Gore and Lieberman on the same ticket. I have long regretted SCOTUS 2000 decision making George Bush POTUS, but at least we didn’t end up with VP Lieberman running for president in ’08!
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heywood jablomy
But, he did have a 23 year old woman on his lap when the trooper spotted him. So it wasn’t all bad.
Are we sure it was a woman? This is a GOP rep. after all.
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Tsulagi
That’s really hard to do. I’m impressed.
Wilfred
He’s an idiot for lots of reasons, but if he had said putting Lieberman on the GOP ticket would swing the election to the Repubs it wouldn’t be one of them.
They’ve been floating this fusion ticket for a while; Lieberman gives them Florida and a decent shot in New York with Giuliani. Fear + Israel + Lieberman = White House.
Kristol is floating these possible tickets the same way the way the Weekly Standard started pushing Mucousy. He gets his talking points from the White House and whoever’s puppeting Rove.
Svensker
The one remaining reason I’m still happy that Gore didn’t become Pres in 2000 is that Lieberman would have been V.P. I would have had to volunteer for the Secret Service to be certain sure nothing happened to Big Al.
Punchy
Has anyone ever ran twice for Vice on opposite party tickets?
Jake
Calling Bill Kristol An Idiot … passes up the opportunity to call him “unhinged.”
But at the very least, Billie’s idea would force Lieberman to give up the charade that he’s an Independent.
Incertus (Brian)
Lieberman gives them Florida and a decent shot in New York with Giuliani.
I don’t see it, especially with the way Lieberman is bleeding support in Connecticut. Democrats just don’t like him anymore, and might be driven to the polls in greater numbers just to return the big finger he’s given us since we refused to give him better than a 5th place finish in New Hampshire in 2004.
demimondian
By God, “Mucousy” has to be the best pseudonym assigned to our new Attorney General. Wilfred, may I steal that?
Wilfred
Demi, Property is theft, or was that Popery? Whatever, it’s all yours.
Incertus: Maybe you’re right, but somehow Gore/Lieberman got robbed in Florida while Bush/Cheney2 won easily. I’m betting they’ve got the election clocked to a few districts where Lieberman’s appeal as an ur-Israel booster will make the difference in a tight election, same thing in New York if Giuliani is the candidate, which seems increasingly likely given his connections with our new AG.
ATS
If Liebermann were President we’d by at war with half the moslem world and Israel would control out foreign policy— often against our own geopolitical interests.
That is to say, it would make no difference whatever.
There, I’m all relaxed now.
heywood jablomy
Bwaaaahaaaahaaaa!!!!! That’s the most unhinged thing he’s said to date.
Yeah, America’s really ready for a Knesset. I’m Jewish and I’d vote for David Duke first.
He must be drinking absinthe. It’s the only explanation.
Delia
Prof. Howard Gardner says there are seven or eight different kinds of intelligence.
http://www.thomasarmstrong.com/multiple_intelligences.htm
I’m willing to bet that Bloody Bill’s an idiot in all of them.
Bruce Moomaw
Believe me, while I agree with him entirely about the futility of sticking Lieberman on the ticket (although we may very well see it anyway, particularly if McCain is the nominee — which can no longer be quite ruled out), it’s going to take a hell of a lot to make me look favorably on Daniel Larison as a commentator after I ran across that extraordinary note of his that I sent to John in an E-mail 10 days ago, in which Larison announces that the fall of slavery in the Confederacy was actually a net loss for the cause of “freedom”, and a gain for “arbitrary, coercive government”. (It’s always wise to keep in mind that Larison has written for “Chronicles”, correctly described by the New Republic as “a journal of Confederate nostalgia”.)
Yes, Virginia, there are worse things than the Neocons. Much, much worse.
Zifnab
But why stop with Guliani-Lieberman? Why not a Romney-Feinstein ticket? How about McCain-Nelson? Who are we kidding here? I’m sure the Blue Dogs will be lining up in droves to fill the ranks of the Republican Party. Lieberman is only the tip of the iceburg. It’ll be White Flight all over again, with conservative Dems jumping ship because the Howard Dean wing of the Democratic Party has just gotten so absolutely out of control with their lobbyist crackdown bills and their end-the-war bills. It will be completely intolerable to all the Very Serious People(tm) on the “left”.
Bubblegum Tate
Paul-Kucinich FTW!
demimondian
Fixed
Jake
Freedom is Slavery.
You know. I just don’t get it.
Treatises such as that give me the sneaking suspicion that if the Japanese hadn’t bombed Pearl Harbor* people would be clucking their tongues over the terrible and unjustifiable damage we inflicted on the Germans.
G.A.H!
* Yes, I know. You’d have to re-write a lot of history to get heavy US invovlement without the PH attack. Humor me.
Andy K
Bruce Moomaw-
Gotta love how Larison steers clear of the 3/5 Compromise and all of the ill will it bred(disproportionate Southern representation in the House and the Electoral College, the Missouri Compromise and Bleeding Kansas). The nation was dyin’ before Lincoln was elected.
Don’t know if I’d call Larison an idiot, but he’s certainly disingenuous.
maxbaer (not the original)
I live in a pretty hardcore Republican district in NY and we kicked John “Kickass” Sweeney to the curb last year. Besides which, it’s not like Guiliani is even going to carry NYC.
ConservativelyLiberal
Well, I would have to say that Bill Kristol does a pretty good job of talking while maintaining a perfect vacuum between his ears.
That you have to have a perfect vacuum between your own ears to understand what he is saying is a problem though. Only 28% of Americans are capable of this.
maxbaer (not the original)
Oh, what a wonderful little bit of kismet:
But, he did have a 23 year old woman on his lap when the trooper spotted him. So it wasn’t all bad.
slippytoad
Idiot doesn’t begin to cover the kinds of things I think about when Bill Kristol enters my mind.
Copperhead. Fink. Fuckwit. Maggot. Sleazeball. Slimebucket. Worm. Quisling. Stoolie. Ass-face. Chowderhead. Shit-for-brains.
I utterly cannot stand even looking at his face, he’s so goddamn stupid.
conumdrum
At this point, something much more precious to Bloody Bill Kristol than the lives of our troops and the stability of America is at stake… his reputation. And no price – none – is too high to shore his cred up.
Ironically, his every attempt to extricate himself from his Pit of Suck only mires him deeper. I saw a recent column where he confidently predicts that victory in Iraq will be ours sometime in early 2008, resulting in a GOP landslide in November. Think we should start watching his hands for telltale signs of crack pipe burns?
I dream of a world where the likes of Kristol have to risk their own assets every time they make one of their high-flown predictions. He’d have been living in a cardboard box and eating from KFC dumpsters months ago.
kim
Lieberman as a VP candidate? Look at how well that worked for Al Gore, lol! Cheney creamed Lieberman in pre-election debates. Today its hard to imagine Gore and Lieberman on the same ticket. I have long regretted SCOTUS 2000 decision making George Bush POTUS, but at least we didn’t end up with VP Lieberman running for president in ’08!
heywood jablomy
Are we sure it was a woman? This is a GOP rep. after all.