We Can Sit and Talk and Not Talk For Hours and Still Have Things to Not Talk About

Consider this your Monday Opener.






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    This is the 50th anniversary of sputnik.

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    I’m starting up a new protest movement for right-wingers.

    Free the Ely Six!

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    How come the Mainstream Media doesn’t ever talk about how obnoxious environmentalists are? How they abused and tortured the Ely six, forcing them to behave in an anti-social manner?

    The real victims here are the Ely Six, and nature. Environmentalists are anti-environment by their very nature!

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    OOPS! I SHOULD HAVE UsED more UPPER CASE!

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    Punchy says:

    Riddle me this:

    $oil/barrel — $65, gallon gas $3.20+ (May)

    $oil/barrel — $82, gallon gas $2.55 (today)

    WTF?

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    Evinfuilt says:

    $oil/barrel—$65, gallon gas $3.20+ (May)

    $oil/barrel—$82, gallon gas $2.55 (today)

    Refineries finally caught up with capacity due to the stable Gulf this summer.

    Our high prices had nothing to do with cost or supply. We just couldn’t turn it into gas and truck it all around the country.

    It only took them what 2 or 3 years since they said they were behind for them to catch up.

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    Xenos says:

    Refiner capacity is the key, not the cost of crude.

    Whether that refinement capacity problem is due to overzealous environmentalists, or due to oil companies not wanting to make the investment to build new refineries since they see peak oil coming, is an interesting question. I have little insight on the subject, and I doubt anyone else here does, either.

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    Punchy says:

    Our high prices had nothing to do with cost or supply. We just couldn’t turn it into gas and truck it all around the country.

    Capacity schmacity. I understand this has a role, but I find it impossible to believe that when your main raw material cost goes up 26%, that your product can go down 20%. I fail to understand how this isn’t manipulated.

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    whippoorwill says:

    7 Responses to “We Can Sit and Talk and Not Talk For Hours and Still Have Things to Not Talk About”

    Sounds like Rummispeak to me, and it’s way too early on a Monday morning for that. Anywho, I wonder how the hippies up in Taos are treating the former commandant. I bet they got him feeding on Tofu and birdseed burgers while relaxing to Hearts of Space. A strange brew indeed.

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    Zifnab says:

    Whether that refinement capacity problem is due to overzealous environmentalists, or due to oil companies not wanting to make the investment to build new refineries since they see peak oil coming, is an interesting question.

    I can tell you right now, with a father in the oil business and having applied for a number of positions at oil companies in college, it’s the latter far more than the former.

    One of the companies I applied to was running around and buying up old refineries just because it was so much cheaper than building new ones. The main reason is that refineries only begin turning a profit after 10-15 years. In 10-15 years, we probably won’t be turning crude oil into gasoline as our primary source of energy.

    Environmentalists have a hand in it too, but only because they won’t let oil companies build on the cheap. If you’ve got to build a refinery that isn’t going to explode or fall apart in 10 years anyway, its harder to make said refinery profitable. But environmental concerns are just one factor in a rather large equation.

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    John Cole says:

    Sounds like Rummispeak to me

    It is from a movie.

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    John S. says:

    $oil/barrel—$65, gallon gas $3.20+ (May)

    $oil/barrel—$82, gallon gas $2.55 (today)

    Aside from the standard explanation regarding refinery capacity and supply-side economics, the obvious answer is that the price is rigged more than a Diebold voting machine.

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    Not a single one of you are talking about the Ely Six.

    Proof positive that you’re all racists! Sure, free the Jena boys, but don’t champion the Ely Six because they are white.

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    Zifnab says:

    But Olson’s attorney, David Keegan, of Duluth, said of his client: “He’s a lifelong Ely resident who lettered in hockey, football and baseball, and he’s in his second year of college. There’s more to him than what’s been portrayed.”

    Piragis, who knows Olson, echoed that sentiment: “Two of the boys are in college, one comes from an established family with an uncle on the school board, and [the 16-year-old] is a very, very intelligent young man. You hate to see such promising young people put away forever.

    This is what our educational institutions are doing to our brave, capable, intelligent young men! If not for liberal Universities, this never would have happened. :-p

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    demimondian says:

    It’s actually about refinery output balance. There’s a tradeoff between gasoline (light petroleum fractions) and diesel fuel (heavy fractions). When capacity is low, it’s possible to shift the balance one way or the other — and, yes, manipulate the price — to meet demand. Right now, the capacity in the petro market is sufficient, and supply is stable; the result is that fuel prices are down.

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    whippoorwill says:

    It is from a movie.

    Was Rumsfeld in a movie?

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    whippoorwill says:

    Was Rumsfeld in a movie?

    just kidding, John

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    Pb says:

    The largest components in the price of a gallon of gas are: the cost of oil, taxes, and the refining costs; also in there are advertising and the station mark-up, but these are tiny. So:

    A barrel of oil is 42 gallons; using your other numbers: 65/42 = ~$1.55; 3.20-1.55 = $1.65. 82/42 = ~$1.95; 2.55-1.95 = $0.60.

    Adding in federal and state taxes averages to about 42 cents; let’s round it up to 50 cents for advertising and station mark-up.

    Therefore, refining costs would have gone from $1.15 a gallon down to $0.10 a gallon — I’m not buying it, something is very wrong there.

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    Free the Ely Six!

    Free Newt!

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    Dave in ME says:

    Ahmadinejad owns Bush’s ass:

    (AP) — TEHRAN, Iran – After being welcomed in New York with protests and a scolding from the president of Columbia University, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is extending an invitation to President Bush. Ahmadinejad tells Iranian state television that if Bush plans to travel to Iran, he’s welcome to make a speech at an Iranian university.

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    D-Chance. says:

    The conservatives won’t wait a Friedman Unit to attack Tom on this, I’d guess…

    Times columnists are not allowed to endorse candidates, but there’s no rule against saying who will not get my vote: I will not vote for any candidate running on 9/11. We don’t need another president of 9/11. We need a president for 9/12. I will only vote for the 9/12 candidate.

    What does that mean? This: 9/11 has made us stupid. I honor, and weep for, all those murdered on that day. But our reaction to 9/11 — mine included — has knocked America completely out of balance, and it is time to get things right again.

    It is not that I thought we had new enemies that day and now I don’t. Yes, in the wake of 9/11, we need new precautions, new barriers. But we also need our old habits and sense of openness. For me, the candidate of 9/12 is the one who will not only understand who our enemies are, but who we are.

    Let the fun begin.

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    Phillip J. Birmingham says:

    I would pay CASH MONEY to see drunken squirrels on a shooting spree.

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    We don’t need another president of 9/11. We need a president for 9/12. I will only vote for the 9/12 candidate.

    What’s this got to do with the victimization of the Ely six?

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    YellowJournalism says:

    It is from a movie.

    Only one of the best movies ever!

    “She looks like a cocktail waitress on an oil rig.”

    “I know a man with a van, and he’ll take you back to wherever you came from!!!”

    “And to think, in some countries these dogs would be eaten.”

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