Why The Bathroom?

I am beginning to notice a trend:

Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) was arrested in June at a Minnesota airport by a plainclothes police officer investigating lewd conduct complaints in a men’s public restroom, according to an arrest report obtained by Roll Call Monday afternoon.

Craig’s arrest occurred just after noon on June 11 at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. On Aug. 8, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct in the Hennepin County District Court. He paid more than $500 in fines and fees, and a 10-day jail sentence was stayed. He also was given one year of probation with the court that began on Aug. 8.

A spokesman for Craig described the incident as a “he said/he said misunderstanding,” and said the office would release a fuller statement later Monday afternoon.

Why is everyone soliciting sex in bathrooms, for chrissakes? Is there some underground bathroom/gay sex culture out there? And if you have ever been to a public bathroom in WV (especially the ones in out of the way gas stations), sex is the last damned thing on your mind. A hot shower with bleach is what I am thinking about when I use a public bathrom- not hot gay sex.

I guess there are other things to discuss about this, like what this means for 2008, and what it means that so many elected Republicans are apparently closeted homosexuals, but I can’t past the ick value of sex in a public latrine. For some reason I remember Craig’s name associated with homosexuality, but I can’t find anything in my archives.

(via RCP)

*** Update ***

In case you are wondering how the right wing will treat this, Hot Air addresses the issue of a Republican Senator soliciting sex in a bathroom and discovers… MEDIA PERFIDY:

If you’re wondering which party he belongs to, let me put it this way: the media will be sure to specify it in its reporting on this story.

Yes. The fallout from this one clearly can be pinned on the media, Allah.

*** Update ***

Poor Jeff is upset with me. You see- I fail to recognize the UTMOST SIGNIFICANCE in the fact that last week, a media report (according to the comments, several reports) was found that didn’t include a “D” next to Rep. Filner’s name after he allegedly shoved (or something) a flight attendant (or someone). Therefore, this is proof that the media is biased and that I am not a “TRUE CONSERVATIVE.”

I think, Jeff, what we all need to really get the lesson is a 22,000 word essay from you on the issue. Something fascinating. With lots of cockslapping and your normally dense and unreadable prose. And hopefully, if we are really lucky, you will get a comment from someone who disagrees with you, which you can add to the post in a 10,000 word update of additional impenetrable gibberish. Maybe you can throw in some thoughts on masculinity, too. Riveting stuff.

But let us know, first. I will need to have a few drinks first to catch up with you.

206 replies
  1. 1
    Ben says:

    Hypocrisy at the highest level. 100% anti-gay voting record and yet he’s doing this? In a public bathroom? I just don’t understand.

  2. 2

    More evidence Idaho got it right about being a virtual one-party state. It’s just that Idahoans chose the wrong party.

  3. 3
    DougJ says:

    This is truly pricless. His excuse about having a “wide stance” when he uses the bathroom is the best part.

    Gay Old Pervert party.

  4. 4
    Punchy says:

    Go ask Digital Underground. I think he once got busy in one at a Burger King…

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  6. 6
    Zifnab says:

    Why is everyone soliciting sex in bathrooms, for chrissakes? Is there some underground bathroom/gay sex culture out there? And if so, why have I not been invited?

    Fixed for humor.

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    dslak says:

    And I thought it was just a witty turn-about to accuse homophobes of being closet gays!

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    Andrew says:

    Were there any scary looking black people in the bathroom?

  9. 9
    ThymeZone says:

    100% anti-gay voting record and yet he’s doing this? In a public bathroom? I just don’t understand.

    You don’t? Pretty clear to me. It’s called hypocrisy, deflection, and projection.

    The louder someone cries that someone else’s lifestyle is immoral, the more sure you can be that the crier is worried about his own morality.

    Inasmuch as this is pretty much human behavior 101, one wonders how so many people fall for the bullshit.

  10. 10
    Pb says:

    If you’re wondering which party he belongs to, let me put it this way: the media will be sure to specify it in its reporting on this story.

    I agree. And I’m predicting that Fox will specify it as “Sen. Larry Craig (D-Idaho)”. Hey, they report, you decide, right–they serve as a vital conservative counterweight to factual reporting everywhere…

  11. 11
    dslak says:

    The Craig story is the top one on Fox’s webpage, but his party isn’t mentioned until the second paragraph (it does mention it, and the right one, at that!).

  12. 12
    qwerty42 says:

    as you may imagine, Wonkette has been all over this one. Alex Pareene does mention that Craig’s name came up in this regard once last fall, but was ignored. One commenter adds that the interest crashed Roll Call’s site.

  13. 13
    Dreggas says:

    Ben Says:

    Hypocrisy at the highest level. 100% anti-gay voting record and yet he’s doing this? In a public bathroom? I just don’t understand.

    The bottom line is self hatred and self loathing, rather than accepting themselves and coming out they hate themselves and in fighting against others they are projecting their hatred outwards.

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    norbizness says:

    Home-senator, for once, forget you got class… see a guy you like? Just grab him in the biscuits!

  15. 15
    Dreggas says:

    John,

    Believe it or not public bathrooms and bath-houses (some do still exist) were popular for this for a number of reasons. Unless I am mistaken this is also where the idea of the “glory hole” comes from.

    It happens in the mens room because the doors to the stalls can be locked and there’s no tracing any part of it and there is also a lesser likelihood of being seen. Further there is complete and total anonymity and less likelihood of being recognized (again see glory holes).

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    Bubblegum Tate says:

    The louder someone cries that someone else’s lifestyle is immoral, the more sure you can be that the crier is worried about his own morality.

    You know, I’ve tended to take stances like this within political discourse as snarky rejoinders or cynical bon mots. But goddamn if the modern GOP isn’t working overtime turn such stances into sober reflections of undeniable reality. More projection than fucking IMAX.

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    KCinDC says:

    Is there some underground bathroom/gay sex culture out there?

    Is that a serious question? I didn’t realize you’d led such a sheltered life. That said, I agree with you about the bleach, but apparently there are others who don’t.

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    Doctor Gonzo says:

    John, why bathrooms? Because it is semi-private and you know there will be other men there.

    Back in the day, I used to work for the University of Minnesota Police Department, and these stings happened all the time. It’s the foot-tapping, that’s the signal. Go into a bathroom that is known for being frequented by these people, sit in a stall, and wait. Before too long somebody’s foot will be a-tappin’, and it’s not because they are getting antsy.

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    Z says:

    Men will solicit sex with other men any place there are male strangers and some expectation of privacy. Public bathrooms, public parks, where ever. The difference between straight-pretending men and openly gay men is that gay men will go to the gay bars or all male gyms (ie bath houses) to pick up other men. Straight-pretending men prefer to act as though they were in the park at 3 am only to take a lovely walk, when man-on-man sex (generally with a hustler or another guy who has a wife and kids at home) just HAPPENED. That poor straight pretender was lured into sin by the evil homosexual. That is why gays must be destroyed.

  20. 20

    I remember this name coming up before… so i did a search.

    He was outed last fall by Mike Rodgers… the noted gay activist who outs gays with anti-gay track records.

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    myiq2xu says:

    You need to realize that many gays are closeted, self-loathing or not. Especially those that are politicians.

    They often are married with children (with apologies to Al Bundy) and can only find outlets for their sexual desires with fast, anonymous sexual trysts. The homosexual version of what Erica Jong called “zipless fuucks.”

    It is virtually impossible for a member of the Grand Gay Old Party to come out of the closet.

    Fraulein! Schadenfreude und bier, bitte.

  22. 22
    Dreggas says:

    myiq2xu Says:

    You need to realize that many gays are closeted, self-loathing or not. Especially those that are politicians.

    And these ones are the most dangerous half the time because they are doing things anonymously with no protection.

  23. 23
    Cain says:

    Kinda makes you feel sorry for them. Just a little.

    cain

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    Mike says:

    If you’re wondering which party he belongs to, let me put it this way: the media will be sure to specify it in its reporting on this story.

    And Fox will specify it as “Democrat”.

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    Jake says:

    A spokesman for Craig described the incident as a “he said/he said misunderstanding,” and said the office would release a fuller statement later Monday afternoon.

    He was in the women’s room?

    I’m still of the opinion (call me old fashioned) that fucking a guy in a toilet stall doesn’t make you gay, in the same way Strom Thurmond wasn’t black or somehow less of a racist dick because he got one of his parent’s house maids pregnant.

    Craig isn’t a closet queer, he’s just another pervert. Part of the reason shits like him scream so much about gay rights is because they don’t want to think of their sex objects as fully human. Plus, it means (or used to) who ever they screw is less likely to out themselves to out the neo-con.

    Still funny as shit though. What’s this, three in this month?

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    Dreggas says:

    Cain Says:

    Kinda makes you feel sorry for them. Just a little.

    cain

    Having to live half in half out of the closet, and being in the closet when I lived back east was a bitch. Granted I am bi so I could and did date girls but there were times when I just wanted to scream out that I liked both. Of course there was part of me that got a kick out of it when people called me a faggot if only because they didn’t know the truth LOL.

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    John Cole says:

    Is that a serious question? I didn’t realize you’d led such a sheltered life. That said, I agree with you about the bleach, but apparently there are others who don’t.

    Now let’s be fair. Gay bathhouses in San Francisco and the apparent fact that you can get a blowjob and more if you tap your foot in a bathroom stall are two different things.

    I had heard of gay bathhouses. This other thing is news to me. If that makes me sheltered, so be it. I would think someone would have told me not to tap my foot in the damned bathroom if this was so widely known.

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    Dreggas says:

    John Cole Says:

    Now let’s be fair. Gay bathhouses in San Francisco and the apparent fact that you can get a blowjob and more if you tap your foot in a bathroom stall are two different things.

    I had heard of gay bathhouses. This other thing is news to me. If that makes me sheltered, so be it. I would think someone would have told me not to tap my foot in the damned bathroom if this was so widely known.

    Not many people know or think about this. It was very popular at highway rest stops too. It was anonymous and no one knew etc. It all went back to not wanting to get caught.

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    Z says:

    Jake,

    Actively seeking to fuck a guy in a bathroom stall doesn’t necessarily mean you are gay. It does mean, at a minimum, that you are bisexual.

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    Andrew says:

    I’m still of the opinion (call me old fashioned) that fucking a guy in a toilet stall

    I’m going to have to disagree and saying that fucking guys is pretty much exactly what makes guys gay. Besides prison.

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    Pb says:

    The Craig story is the top one on Fox’s webpage, but his party isn’t mentioned until the second paragraph

    More like the fourth para–and if you blink, you’ll miss it… That could have been an oversight on their part though, for all I know, they’re just quoting or paraphrasing the (currently inaccessible) Roll Call article. Maybe it’s just that the default assumption now is that it’s a Republican Senator? Is that why, Fox?

  32. 32
    Wham! says:

    […] Unfortunately, this relevance is lost on True Conservative John Cole, who — after appeasing his readers with the requisite closeted gay Republican homo jibes — characterizes Allah’s post thus: In case you are wondering how the right wing will treat this, Hot Air addresses the issue of a Republican Senator soliciting sex in a bathroom and discovers… MEDIA PERFIDY: […]

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    John Cole says:

    Actively seeking to fuck a guy in a bathroom stall doesn’t necessarily mean you are gay. It does mean, at a minimum, that you are bisexual.

    Woah, woah, woah. Who said anything about fucking people?

    I thought this was all about a blowjob. And, after the 90’s, I thought we all agreed blowjobs aren’t sex.

    Therefore, I submit to you that Larry Craig is straight.

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    Kevin Hayden says:

    Scientists have noted that public restrooms are popular trysting spots because the lack of decent toilet paper compels all normally heterosexual men to dream of sequins and show tunes. After which they just need to be held.

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    Kevin Hayden says:

    I agree, John. I don’t know the secret handshakes, either, like which ear can I wear an earring in? But in Craig’s case, he followed by playing footsie with his foot in the officer’s stall, then waved his hand beneath the stall wall.

    So it was a series of actions, not just tapdancing.

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    Dreggas says:

    Wham! Says:

    […] Unfortunately, this relevance is lost on True Conservative John Cole, who — after appeasing his readers with the requisite closeted gay Republican homo jibes — characterizes Allah’s post thus: In case you are wondering how the right wing will treat this, Hot Air addresses the issue of a Republican Senator soliciting sex in a bathroom and discovers… MEDIA PERFIDY: […]

    this coming from a site named “Protein Wisdom”….you like milkshakes dontcha?

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    Z says:

    John,

    “I thought this was all about a blowjob. And, after the 90’s, I thought we all agreed blowjobs aren’t sex.

    Therefore, I submit to you that Larry Craig is straight.”

    You are so right! What was I thinking?! As a lesbian who has only had oral sex with other women, I forget sometimes that I am actually a virgin. Silly me!

  38. 38
    yet another jeff says:

    Heh, I just read this on MSN before getting here…and i was thinking to myself that since it didn’t say Democratic Senator in the headline or in the first 3/4 of the story, he must be a Republican. Because if they said Republican earlier in the story, it would be Liberal Bias, don’t ya know.

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    Craig stated “that he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine,”

    Yet another Republican stall tactic.

  40. 40
    yet another jeff says:

    Milkshakes that bring all the boys to the stall….

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    Dreggas says:

    Mornington Crescent Says:

    Craig stated “that he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine,”

    Yet another Republican stall tactic.

    Ok too damn funny.

  42. 42
    Dreggas says:

    yet another jeff Says:

    Milkshakes that bring all the boys to the stall….

    If we were in florida I’d have to charge…

  43. 43
    Dreggas says:

    Z Says:

    John,

    “I thought this was all about a blowjob. And, after the 90’s, I thought we all agreed blowjobs aren’t sex.

    Therefore, I submit to you that Larry Craig is straight.”

    You are so right! What was I thinking?! As a lesbian who has only had oral sex with other women, I forget sometimes that I am actually a virgin. Silly me!

    what no toys?

  44. 44
    Z says:

    No toys.

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    Dreggas says:

    Z Says:

    No toys.

    yep you qualify as virginal LOL.

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    yet another jeff says:

    Yeah, Dreggas…it’s like the game Clue, except the answer is always “the Republican in the restroom, with a pipe.”

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    SweepTheLeg says:

    John,

    It was actually several media reports that did not include Filner’s party affiliation, not just one as you would have us believe in your second update.

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    Dreggas says:

    yet another jeff Says:

    Yeah, Dreggas…it’s like the game Clue, except the answer is always “the Republican in the restroom, with a pipe.”

    well it definitely wasn’t the conservatory…

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    moondancer says:

    Craig states that there was a misunderstanding. Indeed there was; he thought the policeman was a gay hustler, which caused a major misunderstanding.

    I wonder if he can go to that same rehab the colorado minister went to, and get cured of his “thing” in a couple of days?

  51. 51
    Dreggas says:

    To Z:

    Didn’t mean to sound like a pervert but…well…there was no way not to on that one. Hope I didn’t offend.

  52. 52
    Jake says:

    Actively seeking to fuck a guy in a bathroom stall doesn’t necessarily mean you are gay. It does mean, at a minimum, that you are bisexual.

    As I said, I’m old fashioned. I think fucking a guy in the toilet and then voting to keep two guys (or women) from receiving the same rights as a straight couple makes you a pervert and a shit.

    If he wasn’t using a condom for his escapades he’s a pervert and a filthy fucking shit.

    I have absolutely no sypmathy for creatures like Craig. I know that someone will suggest any snark at his expense is the result of homophobia and that someone will be a person who is convinced that civilization will implode if we don’t nuke Mass. right now.

  53. 53
    John Cole says:

    John,

    It was actually several media reports that did not include Filner’s party affiliation, not just one as you would have us believe in your second update.

    WHO CARES?

    I will update it in the interest of accuracy, but for chrissakes, if the first thing you thought about when you heard this story was “I WONDER IF THEY PUT AN (R) AFTER CRAIG’S NAME,” you need to get a grip.

  54. 54

    Looks like Mitt Romney isn’t happy. He’s removed the video of Larry Craig endorsing him.

    I so want Mitt to be the GOP nominee… That’s gonna be fun.

  55. 55

    […] You see- I fail to recognize the UTMOST SIGNIFICANCE in the fact that last week, a media report (according to the comments, several reports) was found that didn’t include a “D” next to Rep. Filner’sname after he allegedly shoved (or something) a flight attendant (or someone). Therefore, this is proof that the media is biased and that I am not a “TRUE CONSERVATIVE.” […]

  56. 56
    Dreggas says:

    The Other Steve Says:

    Looks like Mitt Romney isn’t happy. He’s removed the video of Larry Craig endorsing him.

    I so want Mitt to be the GOP nominee… That’s gonna be fun.

    Bathroom ballers for Romney…I can see the PAC now.

  57. 57
    yet another jeff says:

    Yeah, just 10 days and a couple of 2 day followups.

  58. 58
    Doubting Thomas says:

    You can bet Fox Noise will put a “D” after his name…

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    yet another jeff says:

    Seriously, though…what the hell is going on? Has anyone made a list of how many GOPers have been busted for solicting men, cops, and teens? 3 data points and you have a line…how many data points do we have now?

  60. 60
    Jake says:

    Bathroom ballers for Romney…I can see the PACKAGE now.

    Fixed.

  61. 61

    Cheers! I haven’t read all the comments yet, but just wanted to say, thanks, John– this is my favorite type of thread — the trifecta!

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    Keith says:

    This other thing is news to me. If that makes me sheltered, so be it. I would think someone would have told me not to tap my foot in the damned bathroom if this was so widely known.

    In that case, I’d advise you not to place any handkerchiefs in either of your back pockets, since depending on the color and pocket, you could be getting all kinds of strange propositions.

  63. 63
    Jake says:

    Craig was for pleading guilty before he was against it:

    “At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions,” he said. “I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously.”

    If he’d handled his other “matter” by himself he wouldn’t be in this situation. Jackass.

    I wonder how long it will take for hints of police brutality and coerced confessions to hit the bloggoreahsphere?

  64. 64
    LarryB says:

    Karsnia entered the bathroom at noon that day and about 13 minutes after taking a seat in a stall…

    Reading through this report, I can’t help feeling sorry for Sgt. Dave. Christ! What a rotten assignment. I wonder who he pissed (sorry) off down at the station?

  65. 65
    Dreggas says:

    Keith Says:

    In that case, I’d advise you not to place any handkerchiefs in either of your back pockets, since depending on the color and pocket, you could be getting all kinds of strange propositions

    Especially a yellow one worn in the right pocket. Of course my understanding is there is a difference between east and west coast as to which pocket is which.

    The wife flags black on the left.

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    RandyH says:

    In the UK it’s called Cottaging and the practice goes WAY back.

    I am surprised to read that John has never heard of the gay restroom sex code. He’s not alone. I also read Booman Tribune and over there, Booman didn’t know about “the code” either. I was told as a young kid, even before I had much knowledge about sex not to tap your foot in a public restroom. And if someone near you is tapping their foot, they want anonymous sex. Just make sure not to tap your foot back at them unless you want to partake.

    I wonder if the cop had tapped back, causing Craig to make his next move and put his hand under the divider. The reports didn’t specify what the cop did and Craig claims he was reaching for an imaginary piece of paper he dropped on the floor and that’s the story he decided to stick with.

    It’s my understanding that it used to be alot more common back in the days when no one came out of the closet. It was one of the only places where one could find a willing anonymous sex partner. Nowadays though, there should not be any shame in publicly declaring your sexuality and living openly, allowing gay men to live more normal lives. The Republican closet case hypocrites can’t stand the idea of stable, monogamous gay relationships though and they are determined to take us back to the “Glory-Hole Days” that they are all so fond of.

  67. 67
    Dug Jay says:

    I see that someone over at Protein Wisdom has an observation on the John Cole/Jeff Goldstein kerfuffle.

    “John Cole is the ultimate reminder that it’s always a little surprising and amazing to see the same people who present themselves as paragons of morality resort to the most base, vile kinds of smears—whether it’s homophobia, sexism, anti-Semitism, or whatever, and they give themselves permission to use it—especially when appealing to their perceived fans, namely the typical reader at Balloon Juice in the case of Cole.”

    Appears to be about right, too.

  68. 68
    Dreggas says:

    Randy H says:

    It’s my understanding that it used to be alot more common back in the days when no one came out of the closet. It was one of the only places where one could find a willing anonymous sex partner. Nowadays though, there should not be any shame in publicly declaring your sexuality and living openly, allowing gay men to live more normal lives. The Republican closet case hypocrites can’t stand the idea of stable, monogamous gay relationships though and they are determined to take us back to the “Glory-Hole Days” that they are all so fond of.

    heh the glory hole is still popular. There are actually sites listing where they can be found etc. Quite amusing.

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    DougJ says:

    How did I know that once illicit bathroom sex came up as a topic, that we’d be hearing from Jeff Goldstein?

    And I really don’t mean that in a bad way.

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    John, if you’re ever in Houston, don’t go to the men’s restrooms at the library at Rice University. It’s even listed on some list of some such places according to a friend of mine who works there. Has been for years.

  71. 71
    Andrew says:

    How did I know that once illicit bathroom sex came up as a topic, that we’d be hearing from Jeff Goldstein?

    Wait, what? There was a dog in there too?

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    Perry Como says:

    norbizness Says:

    Home-senator, for once, forget you got class… see a guy you like? Just grab him in the biscuits!

    Sex packets, a dollar or two.

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    Pelikan says:

    Hooray!

    60 posts and no-one has mentioned the best gay-bathroom reference of all! Let’s see who catches it..

    POLICEMAN 1: “So have you heard about this thing called toast fucking?”
    POLICEMAN 2: ” Uhh.. No, ah..”
    POLICEMAN 1: “Yeah, it’s apparently this thing where you fuck, or get fucked with toast…”
    POLICEMAN2 “Ah, I gotta drain the weasel..”

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    Perry Como says:

    How did I know that once illicit bathroom sex came up as a topic, that we’d be hearing from Jeff Goldstein?

    If it involves cock you can be assured Bukkake Logic will chime in.

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    Jake says:

    same people who present themselves as paragons of morality resort to the most base, vile kinds of smears—whether it’s homophobia…

    That was quicker than a Grand Old Perv. in an airport stall.

    To review our wing-nut talking points –

    Voting to bar gays from getting married = Not homophobic.

    Pointing out that a guy who voted to bar gays from getting married has been busted trying to have sex with another guy = Homophobic.

    Let’s look at some other non-homophobic highlights from non-homophobic Craig’s career:

    Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation.

    Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation.

    Gotta keep our toys scared and quiet eh, Senator?

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    timb says:

    John, that summation of Goldstein’s typical bullshit is so dead on. The outrage, the name-calling, the imagining that somehow the DNC cut its orders to the AP just in time to prevent Filden’s party affiliation from being mentioned.

    I would love to be the commenter that receives the 10,000 word rebuttal, but I learned my lesson.

    Any truth to the rumor that this Craig/Filden conspiracy by the AP just bumped Hillary five points in national polls? The conspiracy will no matter how many Republicans it has to solicit for gay sex in bathrooms.

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    John Cole says:

    DougJ- Because it gives Jeff a chance to play the “SEE- Liberals are the real homophobe card.”

    Never mind that this is the umpteenth high profile Republican to turn out to be closeted.

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    marc page says:

    Mr. Goldstein missed his calling, (several times apparently.) With his talent for misdirection, he could have perhaps been a good enough magician to make a living entertaining children for their birthday parties.

    The story about Senator Craig is not about homosexuality, or bisexuality, or the Senator’s particular sexuality. The story is about a violation of law; one of a number of laws on the books in all jurisdictions designed to prohibit and punish
    sexual activity (of any kind) in public.

    Senator Craig pleaded guilty to a crime. Next case …

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    Tim in SF says:

    Scott Thompson does the best closet case ever in Brain Candy, the movie by The Kids in the Hall. The movie is totally worth watching. The closet case character is accurate enough to serve as a case study. Every time I heard about the other republican bathroom sex guy, I think about the bathroom sex scene in this movie and laugh.

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    Perry Como says:

    From Wonkette:

    “Craig then proceeded to swipe his hand under the stall divider several times, and Karsnia noted in his report that ‘I could … see Craig had a gold ring on his ring finger as his hand was on my side of the stall divider.’”

    Is Sen. Craig Goatse?

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    nabalzbbfr says:

    This shows the utter hypocrisy of the left. They complain that Padilla and other terrorists are being railroaded. Here we have a case with absolutely zippo evidence and they are eager to cast the first stone. Mote-eye-beam.

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    Nikki says:

    This shows the utter hypocrisy of the left. They complain that Padilla and other terrorists are being railroaded. Here we have a case with absolutely zippo evidence and they are eager to cast the first stone. Mote-eye-beam.

    Padilla pled guilty??!

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    Appears to be about right, too.

    Wait a minute. How is this diary anti-semitic?

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    Wilfred says:

    Well maybe, just maybe, Senator Craig was ‘honking the horn’ for re-enlistment. Iraq is a pretty conservative country, sex wise, and I doubt our troops are, you know… An international airport men’s room would be a good place to stiffen resistance to all this flaccid, defeatist stuff. Talk about a Patriot Act – doesn’t get any more hard core than that. I say Hats off to Larry!

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    Funny — from the comments, it looks like TPM Election Central initially had Sen. Craig identified as a Dem.

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    Duane says:

    That sounded like a personal attack, JC. I’m emailing a screen cap to Tim F. You will dealt with forthrightly in a manner commiserate with your transgression.

    Stop running off sensitive Republicans!!

  88. 88
    John Cole says:

    The question is why are we just hearing about this today. I have no figured out why the story broke.

    TOTALLY PARANOID CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT IS PROBABLY WRONG: Crag’s staff leaked it today thinking the AGAG resignation would steal all the headlines.

  89. 89
    KCinDC says:

    Both Gonzo’s resignation and this leak are cover for something much bigger that’s happening right now that the administration doesn’t want the media paying attention to.

  90. 90
    DougJ says:

    TOTALLY PARANOID CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT IS PROBABLY WRONG: Crag’s staff leaked it today thinking the AGAG resignation would steal all the headlines.

    That’s not all that paranoid. It’s what any decent staff would do.

  91. 91
    jnfr says:

    No Goatse references, please!

    I do find it sad to think of people so confused and angry and lost that they strike out at people who share the same feelings they have, as if by doing so they can make it all go away (please Mommy!)

    But not so sad that I don’t want him out of a position where he makes public policy. Better he should spend his time in therapy instead.

  92. 92
    conumbdrum says:

    Interestingly enough, one of the two biggest secrets the Republican party hides from the knuckle-draggers in the base is how tolerant they actually are of homosexuality in their own ranks. (The other is how disinclined they are to actually overturn Roe vs. Wade, thereby slaughtering their plumpest cash cow.)

    I know a gay lawyer who once had a very successful practice in Washington D.C…. he told me that I would be shocked to learn just how many closeted queers there were in the GOP power structure. Not so many in Congress itself, though Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham are two particularly powerful Republican closet cases (as were Larry Craig and Mark Foley at the time we chatted), and he’s about 75% sure that Denny Hastert is one as well.

    On the other hand, closet cases are legion among the machinery of the party. Former RNC chairman Ken Mehlman is (barely) secretly gay, as I’m sure many of you know. There may not be a single GOP Congressman who doesn’t have at least one queer staff member. (Rick Santorum had one!) And my friend maintains that at least half of the K Street lobbyists (nearly all of whom are Republicans) like to “putt from the rough.” There are more than a few secret, very private gentleman’s clubs in D.C. that cater exclusively to discreet conservative gays. In the lofty heights of Washington politics, this is common knowledge… though certainly not among Red State Americans, the kind who utterly adored Mark Foley.

    This confused me at first, until I thought about it for awhile. Then it all became clear: What better training could there be for a career in GOP politics than being gay and in the closet? Think about it — your average politician has to lie to, mislead or bullshit at least half a dozen people before lunch time. And if you can pull off the Herculean effort of assuring your parents, your peers, your teachers and your pastor that you are really, truly attracted to those of the opposite gender all the way into your adulthood… well, telling the teacher’s union “there’s absolutely no way that I’ll be making cuts in your textbook budget,” with a poker face is a piece of cake.

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    marc page says:

    A “decent staff” … well, that’s all Senator Craig was looking for, wasn’t it ?

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    DougJ says:

    Since no one has said it yet, I should add that this seems like just the kind of thing that makes us look weak to our enemies. There’s nothing more pathetic to the Muslim mind than elderly Senators soliciting gay sex in airport bathrooms. It would have been better to wait until the War on Terror is over to make this public, but I guess the blood lust of the liberal MSM had to be satisfied.

  95. 95

    3 data points and you have a line

    Three data points gives you a plane, and since Sen. Craig was at the airport. . .

  96. 96
    Punchy says:

    Now let’s be fair. Gay bathhouses in San Francisco and the apparent fact that you can get a blowjob and more if you tap your foot in a bathroom stall are two different things

    NOTE TO SELF–1) Enter women’s bathroom, 2) tap foot, 3) wait. (…4) profit???)

  97. 97
    Mike S says:

    I know I haven’t been around much but when did you finally figure out that Jeff is an idiot?

  98. 98
    Sirkowski says:

    Why must these conservatives shove their alternative lifestyle in our face?

  99. 99
    TR says:

    Maybe the media would mention his party because he’s an utter hypocrite with a 100% anti-gay voting record in public and a gay lifestyle in private.

    Except for Fox Noise, who gave us “Mark Foley (D)” when he was in scandal and “Sheldon Whitehouse (R)” when he won the election. I can’t remember where I saw it, but they’ve done this about a dozen times in the past few years. All accidentally, of course.

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    salvage says:

    Which is the perfect time to ask the question that’s been bugging me this last week: why is “Protein Wisdom” under “Blogs John Reads” rather than “Blogs We Monitor and Mock As Needed”?

  101. 101
    TR says:

    Can’t find it, but here’s Fox again screwing up the party labels, calling Arlen Specter a Democrat when he was criticizing Gonzales.

    I guess it’s hard for them to keep all the new faces in Congress straight.

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    jake says:

    and he’s about 75% sure that Denny Hastert is one as well.

    Impossible. Denny’s is too damn big to be one. A nice couple and a baby maybe…

    OT: I heard he’s calling it quits this November. I assume its for his health. Dude needs someone to follow him with a defibrillator.

    well, telling the teacher’s union “there’s absolutely no way that I’ll be making cuts in your textbook budget,” with a poker face is a piece of cake.

    Alarmingly plausible.

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  104. 104
    Brian Macker says:

    “As a lesbian who has only had oral sex with other women, I forget sometimes that I am actually a virgin. Silly me!”

    Well technically you are. You don’t think guys think they’ve lost their virginity just because they get a blowjob do you?

    Oh, and in a real sense you gay guys are virgins too if you’ve never had a woman.

  105. 105
    Phil says:

    John,

    Is there anything left on your blog that pretends to be conservative anymore or do you just pander to Daily Kos as a full time job now? The problem with trying to be the less read version of Andrew Sullivan is that Andrew Sullivan isn’t read anymore.

    I don’t think anyone on the right knows what to think about the Craig story – more details will surely come out but it looks like your typical politician sex scandal. I’m sure he’ll probably eventually resign. With that said, how you’re unable to see how Allah was making light of the fact that the media is always eager to label Republican scandals with a scarlet ‘R’ right from the get go while pretending the ‘D’ doesn’t exist when Democrats are involved in scandal is obvious to anyone who isn’t an idiot.

    It’s particularly obvious given that the incidents occurred within a week of one another. Allah’s commentary was nothing more than that – not a defense of Craig nor a condemnation – just a passing comment on media bias which is obvious to anyone. Ok, well perhaps not obvious to 1) liberal hacks or 2) people who constantly claim to be conservative but pander to liberal hacks because their entire readership now seems to consist of liberal hacks.

    I’m say you fit nicely into the latter category. Bravo. Your blog used to be interesting but stopped somewhere between your “Bush=Hitler” Andy Sullivan lectures and your “fake but accurate”, “I was wrong but I’m still right and here’s why” defense of the Scott Beauchamp nonsense.

  106. 106
    jake says:

    TOTALLY PARANOID CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT IS PROBABLY WRONG: Crag’s staff leaked it today thinking the AGAG resignation would steal all the headlines.

    If that was the plan, as with so many Republican plans it has failed. Horribly. Electronic version of the Washington Post: AGAG GtFO. Craig Arrested.

    Yahoo front page: Ditto.

    Google news: Again.

    NYT: Nope.

    [Holds nose] Washington Times: Nope (but there is a regular feature from someone called Sgt. Shaft).

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    DougJ says:

    Phil, what were you hoping to accomplish with that fact-free post? Other than illustrating that you’re a moron?

    If you’re going to attack the host, you better kill him (figuratively speaking). Otherwise, you just look weak and stupid.

    And after 9/11, we can’t afford to look weak.

  108. 108
    DougJ says:

    It was actually several media reports that did not include Filner’s party affiliation, not just one as you would have us believe in your second update.

    Could you give one example at least?

  109. 109
    DougJ says:

    I just checked the first 15 stories on google news about Filner and they all mention he’s a Democrat.

    You guys are losers.

  110. 110
    srv says:

    I don’t think anyone on the right knows what to think about the Craig story

    Yes, we’re not at all surprised y’all do not collectively have a clue.

    John, I suggest that from now on, all politicians should be listed on this blog as such:
    1) Democrat – (D) or no listing at all
    2) Republican – (G) gay, (B) bear, (N) probable Nambla-member, etc.

  111. 111
    Punchy says:

    I can’t speak to Cole’s motives — it’s possible, after all, that he’s simply grown moronic from surrendering himself to the only people who still regularly read him — but I don’t think we should look past the possibility that John might be angling for a NYT bestseller, or that he is desirous of having one of his posts about Matt Sanchez blowing a male candystriper for a fistful of Percocet and a snack bag of Cheez-its read into the Congressional Record.

    How the fuck did I miss this GEM?? I wonder how many times he cockslapped his lappy while penning this debacle…..

  112. 112
    Dug Jay says:

    I for one don’t believe a word of our host’s protestations that he never heard about “bathroom sex” among gays until this Craig scandal came along. After all, isn’t the bathroom where he first met the Misses Sullivan and Greenwald, now his best “buddies”??? At least that’s what they have been saying.

  113. 113
    Phil says:

    DougJ

    The point of the post was to explain in rather simplistic, childlike terms what Jeff of Protein Wisdom and Allah were claiming in their posts. Of course, their posts shouldn’t require explanation as it was obvious to anyone who’s bothering to pay attention that they were strictly a commentary on media bias, not a defense of Larry Craig. What defense is there of Larry Craig? We don’t know if he’s done anything wrong yet for sure – so far we’re just assuming he has. It certainly SOUNDS like a sex scandal but we don’t know for sure yet. ProteinWisdom and Allah were not defending Craig – they don’t even know what he’s done yet. It’s sort of pathetic that this has to be explained to John here. I can say with a pretty good deal of certainly that the John Cole of 2003 or so would not require such an obvious explanation. Does the “conservative with a conscience” route make you stupid? Beats me.

    But hey, he’s got to get his props with his new liberal hack readership and what better way to do that than to…make shit up. And again, the problem with trying to be the less read version of Andrew Sullivan is that no one reads Andrew Sullivan.

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    NOTE TO SELF—1) Enter women’s bathroom, 2) tap foot, 3) wait. (…4) profit???

    If you ask for TP, you’ll get TP and that’s it. Fems tend to negotiate outside the restroom and them brazenly enter the stall together. (Remember those cheerleaders?) Girls go into stalls together all the time. Oh, and girls pull guys into the girls’ room openly. It’s the way the world works. The wingnuts don’t care about lesbians, except so far as they don’t get married or call them (wingnuts) out. It’s the MEN they have the biggest issue with.

    how you’re unable to see how Allah was making light of the fact that the media is always eager to label Republican scandals with a scarlet ‘R’ right from the get go while pretending the ‘D’ doesn’t exist when Democrats are involved in scandal is obvious to anyone who isn’t an idiot.

    Phil, you are tossing that idiot label around fairly recklessly.

    their entire readership now seems to consist of liberal hacks

    While inaccurate, why not stay and fight the good fight against the hippies?

    Crap — should have read the comment through — he’s Beauchamped already.

  115. 115
    Punchy says:

    while pretending the ‘D’ doesn’t exist when Democrats are involved in scandal

    Hey Phil–name me the last Democrat found pandering for some five-hole fun in a public bathroom. Wait….can’t find any? Maybe THATS why there are so few “D”s attached to restroom rimjobs…

    Dumbass.

  116. 116
    Tim in SF says:

    and he’s about 75% sure that Denny Hastert is one as well.

    Hastert has lived with his (male) chief aide for years. Not a very well-kept secret in Washington circles.

  117. 117
    srv says:

    You guys are losers.

    Liars or perverts (anyone chasing pages or having sex in public restrooms is a pervert regardless of orientation).

    Here’s a partial list of the folks Phil and his ilk don’t know what to think of. Probably JeffG’s fantasy locker room.

  118. 118

    I just checked the first 15 stories on google news about Filner and they all mention he’s a Democrat.

    They’ve all been fixed now. DUH.

    /sarcasm

  119. 119

    so far we’re just assuming he has. It certainly SOUNDS like a sex scandal but we don’t know for sure yet. ProteinWisdom and Allah were not defending Craig – they don’t even know what he’s done yet.

    But hey, you all want him out because of a vote he made when?

  120. 120
    Punchy says:

    What defense is there of Larry Craig? We don’t know if he’s done anything wrong yet for sure – so far we’re just assuming he has. It certainly SOUNDS like a sex scandal but we don’t know for sure yet.

    Yeah, cuz a Congressman always pleads guilty to these crimes when they’re innocent.

    Phil’s pretending like Craig’s under investigation. HE PLED GUILTY, YOU IDIOT.

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    Phil says:

    “I just checked the first 15 stories on google news about Filner and they all mention he’s a Democrat.

    You guys are losers.”

    Ok DougJ,

    You probably didn’t realize it but by saying the above you just admitted you don’t read any conservative or center-right blogs.

    Yes, the stories NOW say Filner is a Democrat. When they were first released, there was no mention of party affiliation. Conservative blogs pointed out the strange…shall we say oversight given that they are more than happy to label party affiliation whenever the scandal involves a scarlet letter ‘R’. It wasn’t until AFTER this was pointed out that the stories then included Filner’s party affiliation. You would of course know this sequence of events if you read any (i.e. one) conservative blog. But you don’t, and you’ve admitted as such just now, albeit unintentionally.

    This isn’t to say conservatives think there’s some sort of CONSPIRACY!!! at work here. It’s a simple commentary and illustration of passive liberal bias that is pervasive in the mainstream media. Nothing more and nothing else. The fact the Craig had his party affiliation named in the initial reports is just another illustration of it. Allah and Protein Wisdom were speaking to this commentary, NOT supporting or defending Larry Craig.

    And I’m laughing at the fact that this needs to be explained to John Cole. If this speaks to the intelligence of the “conservative with a conscience” crowd, I want no part of it.

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    John S. says:

    We don’t know if he’s done anything wrong yet for sure – so far we’re just assuming he has. It certainly SOUNDS like a sex scandal but we don’t know for sure yet.

    I’m sure this is precisely the stuff ol’ Phil would be saying if the congressman was a Democrat.

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    Pb says:

    What defense is there of Larry Craig? We don’t know if he’s done anything wrong yet for sure

    Well, maybe you don’t–what’s your theory on that, by the way? Accidental guilty plea? Spent a month trying to fill out the form, forgot to ask his lawyer about it, and then checked the wrong box? I’m sure it happens all the time…..

  124. 124
    DougJ says:

    I’ve now gone through pretty much all the major news coverage of Filner (frankly, the story isn’t that exciting, I’ve got to tell you) and all but one mentioned that he was a Democrat. The one that didn’t was one of those abbreviated versions of an AP piece that tv stations run on their website. The full AP piece did mention it.

    I’m also going to say this: I really don’t care that much if some Congressman shoves a baggage handler somewhere, as long as it’s not my Congressman. Chris Shays (R) did something similar, by the way.

    Next conspiracy theory please.

  125. 125

    Have I said how much I loathe some dickhead blogger calling himself Allah?

    It’s different from my neighbor calling himself Jesus, because my neighbor’s name is Jesus.

    This guy, on the other hand, is part of Ace’s crowd, and he thinks it’s funny.

  126. 126
    John Cole says:

    DOUGJ- It is the same every time from these clowns. They have convinced themselves that somehow or another I am playing to the Kos crowd (ungrateful fuckers never even invited me to the Yearly Kos) or somehow trying to emulate Sullivan. It is silly- I seriously doubt there is any blogger who so routinely tells his commenters to fuck off. An odd way of sucking up to you all, indeed.

    It never once occurs to them that maybe, just maybe, I believe what I am saying now as much as I believed what I was saying back when I agreed with them on many issues. The only reason I have come up for this is that they don’t believe what they are saying most of the time, so they think nobody does.

    Putting aside the fact that I never once have said Bush= Hitler, or any of the other crap regularly attributed to me, the reason they hate me is they feel like I have somehow betrayed them. They think I have somehow let them down because I still believe in al lthe things I used to, I have just come to the conclusion that this administration doesn’t, and I have come to the conclusion the Republican party doesn’t.

    Oh, sure, they say they are for individual liberty and respect individual rights and so on, and they can say it while they are cheerleading this administration’s surveillance policies or providing rhetorical cover for this administration’s torture policies or pretending that gay marriage really will destroy America.

    And so it is on every issue. Maybe they are right- I have betrayed them. I have learned that they, this administration, and the Republican party are completely and totally full of shit. They have learned nothing, and still have as their guiding principle that the “DEMOCRATS ARE WORSE.” That is the real big difference between me and them- I learned something the past 6-7 years. They didn’t.

    So fuck ’em all. I can take their petty insults. I can handle listening to Ricky West post on every website he can find that I am just parroting Sullivan. I can handle that idiot Goldstein being too clever by a half and I can handle his circle jerk of yes men in the comments section. I really don’t give a shit what any of them think, and you can come in here and think you are upsetting me with your stupid comments, Phil, but you aren’t.

    You see- I don’t care what you think. When I read knuckleheads like you, I realize what you really are. A poor man’s Powerline.

    Take that and suck on it for a little while, you administration toadie. And if I bother you so much- stop reading me. I won’t miss you.

  127. 127
    Pb says:

    Filner […] Chris Shays (R)

    BIAS!

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    John S. says:

    Yes, the stories NOW say Filner is a Democrat. When they were first released, there was no mention of party affiliation. Conservative blogs pointed out the strange…shall we say oversight

    Wow, that is powerful.

    Can conservative blogs, like, send people back in time (naked) to alter the future and stuff?

  129. 129
    John Cole says:

    By the way, what is all this “Conservative of Conscienc” bullshit? Given the current definition of conservative, as embodied by Malkin, Hewitt, and Red State, the last god damned thing I will call myself is a conservative.

    Hell, I don’t even consider myself much of a Republican anymore. I don’t want to be lumped in with you stupid shits.

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    Ok DougJ,

    You probably didn’t realize it but by saying the above you just admitted you don’t read any conservative or center-right blogs.

    Yes, the stories NOW say Filner is a Democrat

    Do I get a prize now or something? HDTV would be nice.

  131. 131
    Phil says:

    “Liars or perverts (anyone chasing pages or having sex in public restrooms is a pervert regardless of orientation).

    Here’s a partial list of the folks Phil and his ilk don’t know what to think of. Probably JeffG’s fantasy locker room.”

    Hey srv,

    I’ll keep it simple. Meet Mark Foley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley

    Mark Foley sent explicit and inappropriate emails to an underage page. Foley was forced to resign by his party.

    Now meet Gerry Studds.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds
    Gerry Studds had sex with an underage page. Studds was not forced to resign by his party. On the contrary, he continued to be re-elected to the House of Representatives by Democratic voters 6 more times. “Dean Hara, whom Studds married in 2004, said after Studds’ death in 2006 that Studds had never been ashamed of the relationship with the page.”

    Do you really want to go there liberals?

  132. 132
    sglover says:

    Why is everyone soliciting sex in bathrooms, for chrissakes? Is there some underground bathroom/gay sex culture out there? And if you have ever been to a public bathroom in WV (especially the ones in out of the way gas stations), sex is the last damned thing on your mind. A hot shower with bleach is what I am thinking about when I use a public bathrom- not hot gay sex.

    As always, The Onion is ahead of everyone.

  133. 133
    maf54 says:

    Phil, you sound like a solid and strong conservative young man, with the kind of morals that keep me up at night.

    Would you like to come over for a pizza party?

  134. 134
    Perry Como says:

    It certainly SOUNDS like a sex scandal but we don’t know for sure yet.

    Yes Phil. Perhaps you could set up a diorama of a bathroom stall with a doll representing Larry Craig with his pants around his ankles. Then you can have another doll representing the arresting officer and see if your diorama disproves this scandalous charge against the good Senator. Surely you can reproduce the good Senator’s “wide stance.”

    Afterwards you can take your dolls and pretend you are fighting the Islamocommiefascists and saving the United States from perpetual dhimmitude.

  135. 135

    John at 10:46 pm

    I didn’t know of your blog pre-relaization; I don’t do the Kos thing and never have; I live in Houston and have always been a liberal — some say more — and I regret, in some ways, that I was out of the country when Bush came to power in Texas and this whole trainwreck got started. I feel guilty. I didn’t do what I could have. But as Condi said, no one could have predicted this mess.

  136. 136
    TR says:

    You mean the Gerry Studds who was censured by the Democratic House? The Gerry Studds whose “victim” stood by him at the press conference when the affair was revealed ten years later? Yeah, that’s the same thing as Foley acting as a predator with teenage congressional pages.

    But then again, Fox Noise told you all about “Mark Foley (D-FL)” so I can understand your confusion.

  137. 137
    maf54 says:

    Yeah, that’s the same thing as Foley acting as a predator with teenage congressional pages.

    You guys are way to serious. I said I was into sausage and I meant pepperoni! lolerskates!

  138. 138
    Marc says:

    We should just save some time and assume all right-wing conservatives are secretly gay. Jeff Gannon, Ted Haggard, Bill Allen, etc. etc.

    And given Jeff Goldstein’s repeated fantasies of beating people with his cock, we could probably extend the list. Just come out, Jeff. There’s no shame in being gay, my friend. You’re going to end up like Roy Cohn.

    Well, people remember Roy Cohn. Bad example.

  139. 139
    Pb says:

    Do you really want to go there

    Sure. Let’s go there. Try to make that comparison, and you’ll soon see what the differences are in those specific cases, and then, how much more enormous an asshole you’ll look like by trying to pretend that they’re the same.

    For example:

    Among other things, Foley asked for a photo of the page, his age and birthday, and what he wanted for a birthday present. Foley observed that another male page (to whom he had also written) was “in really great shape… i am just finished riding my bike on a 25 mile journey…” The page forwarded the e-mails to a colleague in Alexander’s office, saying “this really freaked me out,” and repeating the word “sick” 13 times to describe the photo request. The page asked “if you can, please tell Rodney [Alexander] about this,” and in addition, mentioned a female page who had been warned about a Congressman who “hit on” interns.[19][20][21]

    ABC News reported on October 5 that in 2002, Foley e-mailed one page with an invitation to stay at the congressman’s home in exchange for oral sex. The page, who was 17 years old at the time, declined the offer. The same report stated that he e-mailed another with a request for a photograph of his erect penis.[14] Another former page reports that he saw sexually explicit e-mails sent to one page from his page class of 2001-2002, and learned of “three or four” pages from that class who received similar e-mails.[22]

    Versus:

    Studds gave up his right to a public hearing reluctantly, saying that he objected to the conclusions of the Ethics Committee but wanted to protect the privacy of the pages involved[8] and that that the affair was a “mutually voluntary, private relationship between adults.”[9] At the same time, Studds did admit to “a very serious error in judgement,” saying that he should not have had sex with a congressional subordinate, regardless of the individual’s age or sex.[3]

    Now… Do you really want to go there?

  140. 140
    louisms says:

    I’m beginning to wonder whether there are any Repubs without sex issues. Between the self-loathing of emotionally unhealthy closeted gay conservatives and the anti-sex subtext at the root of the pro-life movement, I’m beginning to suspect that sexual maladjustment is even more the classic hallmark of modern conservatives than their never-ending attempts to find a moral justification for selfishness. One wonders what personality changes could result were these guys to ever experience even one entirely joyous, guilt-free sexual experience.

    BTW, John, your last post was great. Your political transformation has been a wonder to behold. In light of your passionate, instinctive humanism, it’s hard to believe that you could ever have been one of those people.

  141. 141
    Mr Furious says:

    Looks like Mitt Romney isn’t happy. He’s removed the video of Larry Craig endorsing him.

    And here I was assuming he must’ve been connnected to Rudy’s campaign…

  142. 142
    John Cole says:

    And one last thing while I am still ranting- Is there anything more tedious than this liberal media schtick? Really? Anything?

    I mean, it is all they ever fucking drone on about, media bias this, media bias that, liberal media. And it honestly never occurs to them that the folks on the other side of the spectrum think the media is biased, too- towards conservatives.

    This is not a defense of the media, but really, that was their grand scheme? Thousands of earnest liberals joined the ranks of the media so that when Rep. Filner acted up at an airport, they could secretly alert each other and not put a (D) after his name in an initial AP report? Because that would certainly save the Democrats from electoral defeat 14 months later?

    Really- that is the grand scheme?

    The only thing you can do anymore is point at these “media critics” and laugh.

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    Do you really want to go there liberals?

    Phil, do I really have to go look up the Republican who was found in yet another restoom in DC? Yet another married Republican who was looking for annoymous sex at the same time that an openly gay Democrat whas admitting — rather bravely at the time — that he was gay?

    Do I really have to go look for it? I’ve done it before with wingnuts. (this one deleted all her comments, but I did there.)

    Do you really want to go there Phil?

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    Phil says:

    “By the way, what is all this “Conservative of Conscienc” bullshit? Given the current definition of conservative, as embodied by Malkin, Hewitt, and Red State, the last god damned thing I will call myself is a conservative.

    Hell, I don’t even consider myself much of a Republican anymore. I don’t want to be lumped in with you stupid shits.”

    Oh please John, “conservative with a conscience” is exactly what you are. This isn’t political, it’s personal. My guess is that the differences for you and Sullivan traveling that “course” are different. For Sullivan, it was the gay marriage amendment. Hyperbole? Read Sullivan’s post up until the very moment the marriage amendment was proposed and the very moment it was voted down but got majority support by Republicans. It is like night and day. Sullivan suffers from ridiculous amounts of cognitive dissonance and is not worth debating anymore. He’s the equivalent of a poorly educated school child at this point.

    Perhaps you haven’t made allusions to “Bush=Hitler” but Sullivan certainly has and frequently. He also has some odd obsession with knowing, just KNOWING that Glenn Reynolds loves to get his torture on (even though Reynolds has explicitly said he is against it, MANY TIMES).

    I don’t claim to know you, nor do i care to, but your postings seem to reflect more of a “I want to be popular” aspect. The Iraq war became unpopular and thus it became the wrong thing to do (John Cole circa now) rather than the
    right thing to do (John Cole circa 2003). The Iraq war was popular in 2003 and isn’t now.

    “Take that and suck on it for a little while, you administration toadie.”

    Ha, now that’s funny. Trust me, I am anything but. My politics rarely intersect with the President, but I also haven’t decided to lay in bed with liberal hacks. I support the War on Terror, unapologetically and emphatically so, even if that makes me unpopular with the Upper East Side crowd. Your postings seem to indicate you want to win their favor rather than playing it down the middle. If you wanted to play the “conservative with a conscious” role, I suggest playing the “conservative” part on occasion, rather than insulting the people who DON’T think its so great when people who tell us “WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!!” write utter lies about how the military mocks disfigured women among other thigs. The military aren’t choir boys but I don’t need some wanna military liberal poet making shit up about them.

    At that point, you could have simply admitted you were wrong, and joined the “conservatives of conscious” who asked the New Republic to retract the story because it was bullshit. Instead you dug in further, saying it didn’t make a difference because the Iraq War is horrible and its supporters are horrible torturers and blah blah blah.

    Somewhere along the “course” you went from conservative warmonger like Sullivan (and I mean that sincerely, no one was more bloodthirsty than Sullivan pre-2004) to playing it down the middle to the full 180 degree liberal hack. You could have chosen to play it down the middle. Instead you just play dumb.

    Which is why you need to have comments such as those of Protein Wisdom and Allah explained to you. The John Cole of 2003 or hell, even 2005 wouldn’t require this. But you’ve come full circle now John. Full fucking circle. Hope that makes you popular with the “right” people John.

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    Pb says:

    Thousands of earnest liberals joined the ranks of the media so that when Rep. Filner acted up at an airport, they could secretly alert each other and not put a (D) after his name in an initial AP report? Because that would certainly save the Democrats from electoral defeat 14 months later?

    Really- that is the grand scheme?

    To quote Melanie Morgan, “You’re going to look super in a burka”.

    (yeah, they’re morons…)

  146. 146
    srv says:

    Do you really want to go there liberals?

    Not that I’m a Dem, but let’s hear all about that rank hypocrisy from Dems like Studds and Frank. How they railed against gays and then frequented public stalls.

  147. 147
    DougJ says:

    You probably didn’t realize it but by saying the above you just admitted you don’t read any conservative or center-right blogs.

    You think I’m ashamed of that?

    Phil, I’ll take a less hostile tone here because you are engaging and using a certain amount of reason and facts. And I applaud you for that. The thing about the Filner “scandal” is that, well, no one really cares. I wouldn’t care if he was a Republican, I don’t care that he’s a Democrat. I don’t care that Chris Shays did something similar — I still think Shays is one of the best Republican Congressmen there is.

    If Filner had spent his entire career crusading against air rage and voting for bills that toughened penalties for people who pushed baggage handlers, that would be different. But he didn’t.

    If Filner had said he didn’t really push the baggage handler put just nudged her because he takes a “wide stance” while he was waiting for his baggage, that would be different.

  148. 148
    RandyH says:

    Does anyone know what the meaning of the name of Jeff Goldstein’s blog “Protein Wisdom” is anyway?

    Does it have anything to do with THIS?

  149. 149
    srv says:

    Mark Foley sent explicit and inappropriate emails to an underage page. Foley was forced to resign by his party.

    And there’s another lie.

    You. Can’t. Help. Yourself. It’s. Who. You. Are.

    Foley wasn’t “forced” until it became public fiasco, well after Hastert and crew knew they had a problem.

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    DougJ says:

    I support the War on Terror, unapologetically and emphatically so, even if that makes me unpopular with the Upper East Side crowd.

    You mean West Side. The Upper East Side is the one part of Manhattan where Republicans do dwell in significant numbers. Rupert Murdoch lives there.

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    John, Phil is doing that thing that they do.

    You post about a senator who does perv things that are man related.

    You are like Andrew Sulivan. (I don’t need to explainthat now dow I?)

    You are a gay hating gay.

    Bonus: Glenn Greenwald.

    You want to be popular rings of the Ace argument about hits.

    Circles and circles.

    John, he thinks you are spinning.

  152. 152
    Pb says:

    Phil,

    It’s not about popularity, it’s about principle. Bush wasn’t all that even in late 2004, but John Cole voted for him, in part because of his continued support for the Iraq war. But if you know anything about what traditional conservative principles used to look like, then you’d know why John Cole was horrified at the Schiavo debacle (“Had Schiavo come a few months earlier, I would have been a Kerry voter“).

  153. 153
    DougJ says:

    I can handle that idiot Goldstein being too clever by a half and I can handle his circle jerk of yes men in the comments section.

    In fairness, I think that most of the commenters on PW are just Jeff himself.

  154. 154
    srv says:

    Oh, Phil, we’re still waiting for the Weekly Standard to come up with that Scott Beauchamp retraction they said he made. You know, the anonymously sourced one.

  155. 155
    Phil says:

    “You mean the Gerry Studds who was censured by the Democratic House? The Gerry Studds whose “victim” stood by him at the press conference when the affair was revealed ten years later? Yeah, that’s the same thing as Foley acting as a predator with teenage congressional pages.

    But then again, Fox Noise told you all about “Mark Foley (D-FL)” so I can understand your confusion.”

    Hey John, “conservative with a conscience”, here’s your new audience. Mark Foley terrible. Gerry Studds victim. And you say conservatives will defend anything.

    John, here’s your chance to tell me why conservatives suck again.

    “I mean, it is all they ever fucking drone on about, media bias this, media bias that, liberal media. And it honestly never occurs to them that the folks on the other side of the spectrum think the media is biased, too- towards conservatives.

    This is not a defense of the media, but really, that was their grand scheme? Thousands of earnest liberals joined the ranks of the media so that when Rep. Filner acted up at an airport, they could secretly alert each other and not put a (D) after his name in an initial AP report? Because that would certainly save the Democrats from electoral defeat 14 months later?

    Really- that is the grand scheme?”

    John, poll after poll show that 90 percent of the media vote Democratic. Like I said before and you apparently completely ignored, this no grand CONSPIRACY!!!, just a simple fact. Protein Wisdom and Allah were doing a passive commentary on this, perhaps in the hopes that (horror!) in future instances the media would identify the political party involved in a scandal…regardless of political party committing the scandal!!! (double horror!)

    And yet you’ve decided to mock me, as though I’m a nut for pointing out that 90% of the media votes Democratic, and that this could….might possibly maybe sorta could affect media coverage. But no, only RIGHT WING NUT JOBS make such allusions. And it’s up to “conservatives of conscience” to right the ship.

    Look John, I see that your entire readership is composed of liberal hacks now (see Gerry Studds was a victim example posted above) so you’re playing to your audience. Maybe you’re not a “conservative of conscience” – maybe the money for your BlogAds is just better now so you have to play the part. I don’t know. Frankly, don’t care anymore John.

    I do know actual “conservatives with a conscience” generally are at least somewhat conservative and don’t:
    A) mock conservatives for pointing out the 90% of the media vote Democratic and this could have an impact of active or passive media bias
    B) mock conservatives for suggesting the New Republic should admit the story that Scott Beauchamp wrote was false when it was…found to be false
    C) defend the kind of people who think Gerry Studds was a victim

    Do you want me to go on John? Go appeal to your new base John. It’s different than mine.

    Good night.

  156. 156
    John Cole says:

    Oh please John, “conservative with a conscience” is exactly what you are. This isn’t political, it’s personal. My guess is that the differences for you and Sullivan traveling that “course” are different.

    Shorter Phil- I assign you a title, in this case “conservative in conscience,” and then mockingly refer to it repeatedly as if you call yourself a conservative with conscience.

    I don’t claim to know you, nor do i care to, but your postings seem to reflect more of a “I want to be popular” aspect. The Iraq war became unpopular and thus it became the wrong thing to do (John Cole circa now) rather than the right thing to do (John Cole circa 2003). The Iraq war was popular in 2003 and isn’t now.

    Shorter Phil: I admit to knowing nothing about you, but then will impugn all of your motives for posting as desiring to be popular.

    Phil- Here is a hint. My traffic is roughly where it was last year, which is roughly where it was the year before, which is roughly where it was the year before that. If i wanted to be “popular,” the marketing choice for me is clear- I spend my days and nights sucking up to Hugh Hewitt, Michelle Malkin, and post ridiculously stupid things like “DHIMMOCRATS DON’T SUPPORT THE WAR ON TERROR” or “YOU WILL LOOK GOOD IN A BURKHA” or write five thousand word essays on why the memorial in Pennsylvania looks like a crescent moon and watch the hits roll in. It is tried and true. You have read the “conservative” blogosphere lately, haven’t you?

    Hell, if I were truly enterprising, I would create a site using a truly original name like Hot Air (sound familiar? Look at my masthead) and then publish links to nothing but those aforementioned nutters.

    As to Beauchamp, I played it straight down the middle- I still don’t know if what Beauchamp wrote was true, but I still think Greater Wingnuttia’s reaction was absurd. maybe I am jaded and cynical, but I don’t see someone taunting a woman in the mess hall or running over a dog as SMEARING THE TROOPS. I see it as some jackass doing something crude in a war zone.

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    Wow — Jeffy’s blog post is downloading now, but when I posted my comment (is it still there !??!?!?!?!??!) there were only 14.

    They are a silly group of people that I enjoy poking (in a nonsexual way) every once and a while.

  158. 158
    John Cole says:

    Look John, I see that your entire readership is composed of liberal hacks now (see Gerry Studds was a victim example posted above) so you’re playing to your audience. Maybe you’re not a “conservative of conscience” – maybe the money for your BlogAds is just better now so you have to play the part. I don’t know. Frankly, don’t care anymore John.

    So now I am in it for the big money from Blogads?

    Pro-tip: I don’t have blogads. I know I am just a phony liar playing to my crowd, but if you scroll up, you can verify that yourself.

    And as a side note- playing to the crowd is not very lucrative. I have to hold down a real job since the cheap bastards never tip.

  159. 159
    Pb says:

    the New Republic should admit the story that Scott Beauchamp wrote was false when it was…found to be false

    When was that, again? I believe there was one rather inconsequential detail that actually was found to be false, and Beauchamp was fine with admitting that.

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    In fairness, I think that most of the commenters on PW are just Jeff himself.

    They are mostly that way, I think. Ace, Jeffy, that sparkly lady I can’t seem to make a link to . . .

    rightwingsparkle.blogspot.com

    so there!

  161. 161
    yet another jeff says:

    I think Phil has a point, I think Foley should have stayed in office during the election. Making him resign was unfair to the voters in all the elections.

    Conservative with a Conscience. *shudder* Goddamn, it’s like the entire GOP has BPD.

  162. 162
    DougJ says:

    On a lighter note, can we now start calling Minneapolis-St. Paul the “city of wide stances.”

  163. 163
    yet another jeff says:

    And it’s less than a year until the GOP convention in Minneapolis…

  164. 164
    babyinthecorner says:

    Oh God! Scott Beauchamp again!

    That reminds me… Matt Sanchez (aka Rod Majors), who now writes for The Weekly Standard and World Net Daily, did a gay porn film called “Tijuana Toilet Tramps” back in 1994.

    For sh!ts and giggles I did a google search, looking for a plot summary, and found this…

    From the liner notes: “Don’t drink the water! A full-length gay adult video featuring Latino Men with white men, hot bathroom sex, glory hole action, uncut studs, snoodling, huge dildos, body builders, cum eating and more. Includes interviews with the actors, who tell you why they’re into the public restroom scene.”

    Snoodling? Interviews with the actors? Does Matt Sanchez/Rod Majors give an interview? If he does, could someone out there please post a transcript? If you want to find out why gay Republicans prefer bathroom sex, Matt “Dirty” Sanchez just might have the definitive answer.

    Also, snoodling? WTF is that all about?

  165. 165
    myiq2xu says:

    Actively seeking to fuck a guy in a bathroom stall doesn’t necessarily mean you are gay. It does mean, at a minimum, that you are bisexual.

    If you’ve ever had another man’s testicles resting on your chin, you’re probably not fully committed to the heterosexual lifestyle.

  166. 166
    Barrasso says:

    Interestingly Matt Sanchez also did a film titled Shits and Giggles, but never DIrty Sanchez, what the hell?

  167. 167
    rachel says:

    Who’s this Phil character with the teal deer?

  168. 168
    Perry Como says:

    Also, snoodling? WTF is that all about?

    Go read Protein Wisdom. It will all make sense.

  169. 169
    marc page says:

    Mr. Como, you are a sadist to even suggest it.

  170. 170
    srv says:

    rightwingsparkle.blogspot.com

    incontrolados,

    Sometimes I question your commitment to Sparkle Motion.

  171. 171
    Pb says:

    Snoodling explained — some E2 noder speculates that it originally had to do with rubbing noses, but in the gay Republican bathroom sex sense of the word, the “nose” part gets substituted for a different protruding organ.

  172. 172
    conumbdrum says:

    John, you are truly a man on fire, and my bloggy hero. If I were a Republican, I’d throw my arms around you and give you a kiss that would curl your toes… in the men’s room stall of your choice, of course.

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    Ben says:

    John,
    The reason this story is in the news is that Dan Popkey (Idaho Statesman) came out with a huge story on Craig today… Statesman has been working on it for 5 months and the rollcall story is the “confirmation” that was needed. Craig was probably able to keep it from Rollcall for a while. He is still in full denial mode.

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    jake says:

    The first rule of Republican Fuck Club is you do not talk about Republican Fuck Club.

    If you’re wondering which party he belongs to, let me put it this way: the media will be sure to specify it in its reporting on this story.

    DAMN YOU AP GUIDELINES!

    And a pox on the police for identifying him by name. They should give Republicans some sort of alias when they’re arrested. For national security reasons of course.

    Or better yet, don’t ask their names at all. I know Craig flashed his Senator Badge and Decoder Ring at the cops but they should have averted their eyes.

    Clearly he was upset by the fuss they made over his medical condition which causes him to tap his feet, assume a wide stance on the can and reach under the adjoining stall.

    God! Can’t we just…talk about something else?

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    Look, all this is fun and all. But I come here to read about Bush bashing. Not Idaho gay jokes.

    Maybe I should go read proteinwisdom. Are they bashing Bush yet, or are they still kicking it old school with Clinton bashing?

  176. 176
    yet another jeff says:

    They’re kicking it Old School with the Gay Shame parade.

  177. 177

    […] –John Cole says he notices a trend in Republican scandals and rejects any suggestion that the media is any problem here. We won’t quote it since you need to read the entire post. […]

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    Kevin K. says:

    It took long enough for that over-italicized, insufferable twat to figure out how to get his numbers up. Create a blogwar and … Instalanche!

    John, look on the bright side. Now you don’t have to endure IM’s from him referencing pitchers of Amaretto Stingers, overly moist Hostess Suzy Q’s, a ferret wearing Lederhosen, and the underside of his remuscled nutsack.

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    chopper says:

    i really love this. “foley? craig? what about studds? huh? you liberals don’t want to admit that a dem had an affair with a page in 1973!”

    when you have to go back to an incident that happened over 3 decades ago, you’re not having good luck with the ‘dems are just as bad’ defense.

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    Punchy says:

    Snoodling explained—some E2 noder speculates that it originally had to do with rubbing noses, but in the gay Republican bathroom sex sense of the word, the “nose” part gets substituted for a different protruding organ.

    Swordfighting?

  181. 181
    ATS says:

    The real issue is that the finger-waggers proved to be toe-tappers all along.

    We take more note of people who lecture us on moral behavior only to prove immoral by their own standards. If you are going to be a scold you open yourself to charges of hypocrisy.

    You don’t put Jimmy Swaggert on the same scale as Charles Barkely or Dean Martin. Is this too subtle a distinction for Phil?

  182. 182
    Pug says:

    …the apparent fact that you can get a blowjob and more if you tap your foot in a bathroom stall are two different things.

    I wasn’t aware of this ritual, either. I’ve always wondered why the guy in the next stall was tapping his foot. I thought he must be listening to his I-Pod.

  183. 183
    jenniebee says:

    if you have ever been to a public bathroom in WV (especially the ones in out of the way gas stations), sex is the last damned thing on your mind. A hot shower with bleach is what I am thinking about when I use a public bathrom- not hot gay sex.

    To be fair, John, is there anything that does make you think of hot gay sex?

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    Face says:

    I thought he must be listening to his I-Pod

    I was. And never, ever will again. Cannot fathom that the response to my overzealousness in enjoying Megadeth’s Hanger 18 would be some hairy old dude busting down my stall to offer me a blumpie.

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    I’m sorry. Excuse me. I missed Ann Coulter’s comment on this. What did Jeff Gannon say? What did Drudge report?

  186. 186
    Shinobi says:

    I was goign to make a joke about The Gay and how it is an empidemic just like the Fatties. But then I thought… maybe someone would take me seriously, knowing these crazy republicans it seems almost likely. (After all, they still take Bush seriously. I’ve decided that he’s doing some kind of political preformance art that points out out the vunerability of our system to a deluded and power hungry president.)

  187. 187
    Marc says:

    I support the War on Terror, unapologetically and emphatically so, even if that makes me unpopular with the Upper East Side crowd.

    West Virginia is on the Upper East Side now? I guess Miss Teen South Carolina is in charge of the maps over at Protein Whizdumb.

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    TR says:

    I said:

    “You mean the Gerry Studds who was censured by the Democratic House? The Gerry Studds whose “victim” stood by him at the press conference when the affair was revealed ten years later?

    And Phil responded:

    Hey John, “conservative with a conscience”, here’s your new audience. Mark Foley terrible. Gerry Studds victim. And you say conservatives will defend anything.

    Reading comprehension really isn’t a strong point with conservatives, is it?

    Read my segment again. The “whose” in there means that the “victim” in the sentence was not Gerry Studds but a consensual partner of Gerry Studds who stood by him at the press conference, unlike the true victims of Mark Foley who were creeped out by him and blew the whistle on him.

    Christ, you people are stupider than dirt.

  189. 189
    TR says:

    Go appeal to your new base John. It’s different than mine.

    I love how Phil says this, clutching his tear-soaked lace hankie, all the while thinking it’s a searing indictment of how low John has sunk.

    “You’re no longer one of us, John! The bed-wetting, cock-slapping, dead enders of the Bush sycophancy just can’t count you as one of us. I hope you’re happy in the reality-based community, John! I hope you’re happy!”

    You certainly have a different base, Phil. And those of us outside the asylum are thrilled about it.

  190. 190
    TR says:

    Go read Protein Wisdom. It will all make sense.

    No it won’t. That site reads like Dylan Klebold’s journal.

  191. 191
    Wilfred says:

    “You’re no longer one of us, John! The bed-wetting, cock-slapping, dead enders of the Bush sycophancy just can’t count you as one of us. I hope you’re happy in the reality-based community, John! I hope you’re happy!”

    POTD.

  192. 192
    Ryan says:

    I missed Ann Coulter’s comment on this.

    He had no comment.

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    TR says:

    By the way, the New York Times had the audacity to run the Larry Craig story this morning.

    As the conservatives feared, the story was featured prominently … on page A19. Below the fold. Under a picture of a Hawaiian ferry service, next to a blurb on wing inspections for Boeing 737s, and above the information directory for contacting people at the paper.

    Clearly, the Times editors have an agenda here.

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    yet another jeff says:

    TR, I think that’s been the plan all along, shrieking about bias so much that the MSM walks on eggshells, afraid to set off the BPD GOP, so then they go out of their way to not appear biased against the crazies…and in turn, have ruined journalism.

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    TR says:

    Sure, that’s the plan and it’s worked. The media suffers from battered wife syndrome, and the right still complains they’re out to get them.

    It’s like a married couple you’d see on COPS, and both sides are just as smart.

  196. 196
    Lit3Bolt says:

    Wow, that Phil guy was funny. Like a petulant child who doesn’t get his way, he’s gonna stay conservative and support the troops, merely to spite the vast Upper East Side/Boystown/Berkley crowd who sit in their Temples of Atheism dreaming up their next episode of liberal hackery.
    That’ll show the Beauchampers!

    Also, Phil…if 90% of the media (an interesting fact, care to cite it?) are in liberal, how come that really doesn’t seem to have helped the Democrats, in I dunno, the majority of presidential elections in the past 40 years. Or that the media was helpless to prevent the Republican Revolution in 1994, which enjoyed dominance for the next dozen years? Oh, what’s that? I’m sorry, I didn’t realize! The media is in fact a huge Jabberwock with incredible powers of mind control for the liberal side, and thousands of helpless conservatives and their families live in constant fear from it. Millions of faceless Associated Propoganda reporter-drones, their minds directly linked to the Surrender Monkey Overmind, work tirelessly on its behalf. I also forgot that there or no people with conservative opinions or viewpoints in the media, ever. No newspapers, no television, no blogs dare show the conservative side, for fear of the Golden Bull of Media. No talk raido, no books, no magazines, no pundits dare support the war now. It’s awful to live as a persecuted and harassed conservative, I know, where no one agrees with you, ever. It must be harder still when you use reason and calm logicwith John Cole to turn him back to your side, he immediately smears you with uncouth name calling.
    Indeed, you might even say John Cole is a Betrayer, who sits in a blog that is his Black Temple, where he wields the Twin Blades of Librul Hackery.

    Poor poor conservative. This too shall pass.

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    Dreggas says:

    John Cole Says:

    And as a side note- playing to the crowd is not very lucrative. I have to hold down a real job since the cheap bastards never tip.

    Hey we’re all really just conservative…with our money. :P

    Seriously John nice smack down. The bedwetting pole smokers deserve it.

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    Brian says:

    And as a side note- playing to the crowd is not very lucrative. I have to hold down a real job since the cheap bastards never tip.

    If only the left had the wingnut welfare programs of the right. As Heritage, AEI, Scaife, Murdoch, etc. have proven, there’s a lot of money to be made in being a useful idiot for the conservative cause. You just have to abandon any sense of scruples and any shred of intelligence, and you’re rolling in the money!

    If you’re interested, Armstrong Williams and Jeff Gannon have the application forms.

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    yet another jeff says:

    Yep.

    It’s all making sense. Wikipedia throws a common definition out there…

    In lay terms, this is a reference to any person who, because of constant and severe domestic violence usually involving physical abuse by a partner, becomes depressed and unable to take any independent action that would allow him or her to escape the abuse. The condition explains why abused people often do not seek assistance from others, fight their abuser, or leave the abusive situation. Sufferers have low self-esteem, and often believe that the abuse is their fault. Such persons usually refuse to press criminal charges against their abuser, and refuse all offers of help, often becoming aggressive or abusive to others who attempt to offer assistance. Often sufferers will even seek out their very abuser for comfort shortly after an incident of abuse.

    Aggressive or abusive to…bloggers! Liberals! Small “c” conservatives! George Will! Anyone that questions Bush!

  200. 200
    yet another jeff says:

    Someday, the Press is going to go all Farrah Fawcett on the GOP and burn them in their beds. Someday. Maybe.

  201. 201
    HyperIon says:

    Mike S Says:

    I know I haven’t been around much but when did you finally figure out that Jeff is an idiot?

    indeed. i, like others, have pointed this out many times. but jc responds that he likes jeff. i just don’t get it.

    Which is the perfect time to ask the question that’s been bugging me this last week: why is “Protein Wisdom” under “Blogs John Reads” rather than “Blogs We Monitor and Mock As Needed”?

    YES! but the blogroll seems to have been a real challenge for the guys so i’m thinking it won’t happen.

  202. 202
    Xenos says:

    When you’re a Jet,
    You’re a Jet all the way
    From your first cigarette
    To your last dyin’ day.

    When you’re a Jet,
    If the spit hits the fan,
    You got brothers around,
    You’re a family man!

    You have betrayed your homies, John.

    You a Tiger Shark, now.

  203. 203
    ImJohnGalt says:

    I remember how the evil MSM failed to report that William Jefferson was a Dem – I couldn’t believe it. Because it didn’t happen.

    Is it more evil to neglect to identify the party of the alleged perpetrator, or to identify it incorrectly?

    I sure do remember the outrage on the right-wing sites when Fox labeled Foley a Dem. Man, that was a real blogswarm.

    [crickets]

  204. 204
    Phil says:

    John seems to be off today. Anyway, here’s yet another example of Name That Party:

    http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=9676

    Can you guess what party Mr. Ford is in? And notice the date…why that’s today!

    Now John, let’s make this slow and simple for you to understand. The reference to this is not a defense of Larry Craig. Its not a condemnation of Larry Craig. It actually has nothing to do whatsoever with Larry Craig! The point was to show passive media bias, and this is yet another example of it, and it happened again today. Literally one day after I said it happens often. Its also what Allah and Protein Wisdom were alluding to in their post before you went into conniptions about how the NON-“conservatives with a conscious” crowd thinks bathroom stall sex is just fine and dandy as long as Republicans are doing it. Nevermind that they said nothing of the sort. I understand the “conservatives with a conscious” crowd pays not attention to these matters. You’ve got a conscious John. And you go with what feels right, which is certainly better than what we think, since your conscious is bigger than mine (I, after all, do not have a conscious as I’ve stopped reading Andrew Sullivan).

    After all, Michelle Malkin is an evil whore and since SHE thinks that the Scott Beauchamp story was handled improperly by TNR and requires an apology from them, ANYONE who thinks this way is not welcome in the “conservatives with a conscious” crowd. Because, well, they have consciouses. And evil whores don’t.

    John, I don’t really care about the change of your politics. George Will was NEVER in favor of the Iraq War and I consider him the best conservative columnist in the nation. Its your lectures. Nobody like lectures John. I know we’re supposed to confess our sins and say the Iraq war is horrible and we should be ashamed of ourselves, but guess what? Fuck you John, we think it was the right thing to do and perhaps we’re even winning it now.

    I know you’re invested in defeat at this point John. I know we just HAVE to lose to repent so it will never happen again. But the surge is showing strong military progress and slow but gathering political progress. I know the left has already written the war off long ago (they’re invested heavily in its defeat now and no one, not even liberals who are bad at math, likes bad investments) and I’m just silly and absolutely ridiculous for saying this but what if we WIN John?

    What if? Where does the “conservatives with a conscious” crowd go from there?

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    Buddy says:

    If the republican party really is the party of “moral values”, we will evict all the divorcees, adulterers, serial monogamists, prostitute-seeking, etc from the party. Let us begin to focus on Christ’s issues: the poor, sick, homeless, and various other social contracts.

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    Jack London says:

    “Hypocrisy at the highest level. 100% anti-gay voting record and yet he’s doing this? In a public bathroom? I just don’t understand.”

    Exactly! This is the most hypocritical act I’ve ever seen.

    But you have to remember that politics is full of this type of thing.

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