Fortunately O’Reilly is fair and balanced, unlike that cretin over on MSNBC.
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Media Glutton
O’Reilly is the only man that I know of in the media who has actually called for the terrorists to attack America. If the conservative blogosphere were anywhere near honest, they would at some point mention this, don’t you think?
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myiq2xu
What proof do you have that he’s human?
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ConservativelyLiberal
You have a top ten list of people you can’t stand? Ten? That is all? I think mine is around 100.
Is this going to be like that time Bill-O got FOX to sue Al Franken? That was astonishingly successful–for Mr. Franken’s book sales; I hope Kos’s server hamsters are well fed and rested.
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Ted
I love Billo. Like Fred Phelps, if he didn’t exist someone would need to invent him.
And that’s a pretty good question. At what point is it okay to fight dictators like Saddam or the al Qaeda terrorists who want to take his place?
It turns out that the answer, according to Gandhi, is NEVER. During World War II, Gandhi penned an open letter to the British people, urging them to surrender to the Nazis. Later, when the extent of the holocaust was known, he criticized Jews who had tried to escape or fight for their lives as they did in Warsaw and Treblinka. “The Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife,” he said. “They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs.” “Collective suicide,” he told his biographer, “would have been heroism.”
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myiq2xu
” kinda think god took the wrong Bill today.”
I doubt God will ever take BillO. Let’s just say he’s going DOWNtown.
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Dave
Paul…I know you post something inflamitory once every other thread, but in hopes that you come back here I have two questions.
That is not the first smear against Gandhi that I have heard/read.
I suspect you have heard them, too.
Tear it all down. all of it.
Looking back in time is a way to narrow everything.
I can’t recreate what I deleted all on my own, but Paul. It’s got to be personal to take it there.
right?
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Keith
Sad to say, he has actually gotten much, much worse over the last couple of years. Back when Bush was riding a popularity wave, he would trumpet out mailbag letters where viewers would say he’s moderate, and he would try to actually appear that way for 5-10 minutes a show. These days, he seems to be putting overtime into the angry, pitbull talking points he does.
I actually used to watch his *entire* show for partial amusement, but I cannot stomach 30 seconds of watching that human excrement any more because it is just too much finger-pointing and insults under a Krylon-esque veneer of self-righteousness that makes the taste of my own vomit very, very familiar.
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Cain
Regardless of the smears against Gandhi. Gandhi is what India needed at that time. What more can you ask?
Satyagraha is not for every situation. It would have been interesting to debate Gandhi on that. He would have firmly have stuck with non-violent methods. Against someone like Hitler I don’t see how it would work since Hitler looked at Jews as subhuman.
Paul L. masturbates himself to restful sleep on the anniversary of Gandhi’s death. I mean, after acting out some light bondage scenarios with his Hitler, Ribbentrop, and Himmler dolls (blow up, life size).
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Redleg
PaulL,
Do you believe in Jesus? If so, would you say that Jesus was an advocate of violence or of peace?
C’mon guys. O’Reilly versus DKos is better entertainment than Godzilla versus The Sea Monster.
Let’s start a pool for how long it takes for DKos to reduce O’Reilly to tears. They’ve only been at it for a short time and already Billo looks like he’s auditioning for the part of Willy Loman.
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dslak
Paul L.’s bit on Gandhi is a red herring. The Gandhi quote actually wasn’t about Gandhi so much as an attribution of a quote. You shouldn’t have taken the bait.
Since we’re on the topic, though, Gandhi’s own writings indicated that the success of non-violence required the ‘enemy’ having certain moral standards. That probably wouldn’t have applied with the Nazis, but since Gandhi’s faith in non-violence was based on his religious beliefs, he felt that it was always the ideal solution.
That being said, Gandhi does sometimes allow that violence might be a more appropriate solution for a group than non-violence, but in those cases where a group could (realistically) make effective use of violence, he always opted for the non-violent solution. The use of non-violence is predicated on the power to use violence. This is why, for example, Gandhi opposed British gun laws that did not allow Indians to have firearms.
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TenguPhule
Bill O’Reilly, Infinite Self Contained Waste Disposal Cycle in Motion
Fixed.
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TenguPhule
Shorter Paul L: I have always been wrong about everything and will never be right about anything but please look at me anyway because I require a buggering daily to dislodge the ponies lodged up my ass.
As for “infinite,” I might tend to agree. To use the punchline of an old joke: “there’s no end to that prick.”
Not to sure about that “self contained” part. He spews bile and crap everyday.
How about “20 pounds of shit in a 10 pound bag?
But do you know why BillO and the rest of vile gasbags on the right are so angry? Because they won.
For years they screamed “It’s the libruls fault. Let us run things and we’ll all live happily ever-after!”
They never quite had it all before. They had the White House, but not Congress. they had the House, but not the Senate. And they kept screaming that it was the libruls fault.
But from 2002 until 2006, they had it ALL. They could do any damn thing they wanted, and they did.
The result? The GOP and the conservatives that support them are soon going to be politically irrelevant. The GOP as we know it will either ceast to exist or drop into 3rd party status. Conservatism is on life support. Neoconservatism is dead (even though some of them don’t seem to realize it yet.)
And the worst part (from their point of view?): THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES!
They proved that just about everything they said for the last 20-30 years was complete and utter bullshit. Not only are they ideologically bankrupt, they’ve been exposed as incompetent hypocrites as well. Sexually perverted incompetent hypocrites.
We should make a new national holiday and name it Schaudenfreude Day.
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Tulkinghorn
No, He’s a populist blowhard.
Not even right on that one. He is a self-styled populist promoted by corporate interests as part of a long-term misinformation campaign. No different than obvious frauds like John Stossel.
Back when he was a reporter in Boston he was known as “Bill Oh, Really!” – a consummate bullshit artist looking for a sponsor. News Corp is even promoting a radio show regurgitation that is a loser in every major market – why does a supposedly profit driven corporation back a money-losing enterprise for years at a time?
Just like the rest of the Murdoch empire, it is just free-market propaganda. Populists actually arise from the support of, you know, people.
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Punchy
OT:
Your Republican party in action. Whether it’s national or state, these fuckers are just unreal.
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ChristieS
Punchy, OMG. Is it possible these people have forgotten the swift and brutal decline of another “committee” dedicated to rooting out “traitors” and the political fallout of the “chairman”? Jeebus, don’t they remember?
The moderates really need to just split completely away from these crazies. That’s the only way the moderates have a hope in heaven of convincing the general population that they aren’t stark, barking, mad.
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demimondian
What, are you talking about the French Revolution?
Ideologues and purity trolls are the same the world over. They Know What’s Right, and what they Know is the Truth, and is Immutable, Beyond Doubt or Cavil. If they could eliminate the liars who question those Truths, the world would be a Better Place, Dr. Pangloss notwithstanding.
That has nothing to do with ideological bent, only with authoritarian leaning. With luck, they get exposed as crazies, and, in the process of enforcing their Truths, isolate themselves completely. In this case, they’re going to split the Kansas Republican party. I’m going to be interested in seeing what happens to the folks they purge.
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jenniebee
Punchy, OMG. Is it possible these people have forgotten the swift and brutal decline of another “committee” dedicated to rooting out “traitors” and the political fallout of the “chairman”? Jeebus, don’t they remember?
Please, nobody much studies the French Revolution in US Schools anymore.
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Wilfred
already Billo looks like he’s auditioning for the part of Willy Loman
Added to list of things I never want to hear said about me. Deadly.
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Zifnab
The moderates really need to just split completely away from these crazies. That’s the only way the moderates have a hope in heaven of convincing the general population that they aren’t stark, barking, mad.
They did that some time ago. Republicans who aren’t batshit insane went the way of John Cole a year or two back. See: Nov 8th 2006. Wonder why we’ve suddenly got so many “Independents” lately? Because you’ve got a mass of people who just don’t want to be Democrats (and who can blame them? Our party hasn’t exactly been inspirational), but who just can’t stand the stench of their former party anymore.
The people who can claim this ripe crop of fence-sitting voters will be the new party in American politics. Honestly, I don’t see much hope that it won’t be another Republican Redux party with a new label and an airfreshener on the dashboard. If the 60s proved anything, its that you never really clean up these rats. You just watch them scuttle from one ship to another (see: White Flight).
The Europeans are right. America, writ large, is both crazy and stupid. We’ll be looking at the exact same mess fifty years from now, wondering how, after two Nixons and two Vietnams we could possibly have done it to ourselves again. *sigh* Democracy is hard.
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jrg
Billo’s Fox-news lies are transparent to anyone who has ever used a message board on the internet.
First of all, there’s nothing stopping someone from creating a new username and logging into a website twice (except some IP filters that are easy to get around), so it’s nearly impossible to permanently ban moronic commentators on the internet. Second, unlike newspapers and TV, comments on a discussion board are not edited before they appear on the site. Third, space for comments on the internet is cheap and virtually limitless (unlike print media and air time), so there is far less concern about editing for content.
BillO has to present random trolls on the internet as the “opposing view”, because he is a liar, and he knows it is unlikely that his geriatric viewers can make distinctions between the web and the MSM.
From an MSM perspective, attacking the blogsphere is about as clever as Coke mentioning Pepsi in every T.V. ad. From Billo’s perspective, attacking the blogsphere is as strategic as charging a mechanized brigade from horseback.
A recently released study shows that the GOP has deeply alienated American youths. I wonder why. Maybe nitwits like Billo should stop picking fights they cannot win.
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Zifnab
A recently released study shows that the GOP has deeply alienated American youths. I wonder why.
The first time I filed a tax return without receiving virtually all my money back was last year. I watched thousands of dollars fly out the window and thought about where they were going – an endless War in Iraq, a Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska, some guy listening to my phonecalls, and Karl Rove. Needless to say, I felt that was a waste of money. Forget the verbal assault on the intertubes, as a young American, I’m pissed off for the same reason that so many older Americans are pissed off. They took my money and pissed on it.
Your Republican party in action. Whether it’s national or state, these fuckers are just unreal.
Heh, that was entertaining. I thought this part was especially interesting.
Andy Wollen, chairman of the Kansas Traditional Republican Party, said the loyalty committee was a bad idea.
“I don’t know whether to laugh or cry,” Wollen said. “It’s just the latest demonstration that these people just flat don’t understand people,” he said.
The “Kansas Traditional Republican Party.” Maybe that should be the word for the non-crazy less-extremist paleo-cons. Let them have the label of “traditional,” make them the “true keepers of the faith” from the neocons or whoever “hijacked” the party, and it would be easier to get the sane people in charge of the Republicans again. On the other hand, to reflect the simple left-right divide, maybe the more extremist ones should be called “traditional” and the moderates can be halfway between them and progressives/liberals/whatever we’re called these days.
Either way, though, I’m highly amused to see a splinter group in the Republican Party, albeit a relatively informal one, especially if it has the word “Traditional” in its name. “People’s Front of Judea,” anyone?
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jrg
They took my money and pissed on it.
They took our money, pissed on it, and told us it was raining.
Billo and Fox news really piss me off because they labeled us traitors when we asked why the Republicans are pissing on money to begin with.
There are thousands and thousands of legitimate reasons to despise the GOP and the right-wing noise machine. What makes me the most angry is that they lie and spin incessantly, call themselves “journalists”, then refuse to issue corrections for their most basic factual errors and omissions.
The Europeans are right. America, writ large, is both crazy and stupid.
There is nothing in the water that makes American people stupid. It’s the liars on the air waves. Believing that someone actually verifies the “facts” reported on Fox/Rush/Savage/etc is not “stupid”, just naive.
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The Other Steve
Isn’t this Kansas loyalty committee the same as dailyKos going after Joe Lieberman?
BillO is just another sqawker for the Fox Opinion channel. Who gives a rats ass what he says anymore. He just suffers from LDS (Liberal Derangement Syndrome).
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John S.
Do you believe in Jesus? If so, would you say that Jesus was an advocate of violence or of peace?
I know I’m not Paul L. (thank G-d) but I feel the need to respond.
Idiots like Paul (and your average Christian ‘warrior’) like to heap scorn and ridicule on those that advocate peace and non-violence, such as Gandhi. However, they seem to conveniently forget that this line of thought runs congruent to that of Jesus himself. Somehow concepts such as this:
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God
And this:
You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Elude the likes of Paul L. and his fellow ‘Christians’.
Uh…he’s got a GINORMOUS audience. What I find fascinating about BOR is that everybody he disagrees with is the “far left”. He has no “moderate left”. No “near left”. Everyone and everything is “the far left”.
Well, even if you take his Nielsens at face value, about one sixth of one percent of the American population watches him.
Cable news in general is lightly watched unless there is some big news event breaking. And according to a recent Kos article (with numbers), DKos dailies are always higher than Billo’s. The guy can’t even keep up with a Hitler-based traitorfascist website.
He ain’t shit. He’s about as relevant as Paris Hilton.
Okay, not that relevant.
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Jake
Balloon-Juice Headline!
“PaulL Destroys Gandhi Myth Deploys Yet Another Three-Legged Jackalope!”
Film at 11 [Crickets, coyotes, snores].
Fixed.
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Tulkinghorn
So what happened in the great showdown yesterday, aside from people who do not read blogs hearing about how awful Kos is, and people who do not watch Fox reading about how awful BillO is?
Since I don’t watch Fox or read Kos very often, can I conclude that Atrios won as a third-party impleader by posting this link to the BillO Oratorio?
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Andrew
There is nothing in the water that makes American people stupid.
Except for the lead, PCBs, and dozens of other pollutants in easily measurable quantities.
Well, even if you take his Nielsens at face value, about one sixth of one percent of the American population watches him.
The missus works in big-media research. Papa Bear’s average audience age is 65+. The Neilsen survey only goes to 65, so his ‘army’ probably consists of quite a few people sleeping in front of the TV…
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Zifnab
So what happened in the great showdown yesterday, aside from people who do not read blogs hearing about how awful Kos is, and people who do not watch Fox reading about how awful BillO is?
Since I don’t watch Fox or read Kos very often, can I conclude that Atrios won as a third-party impleader by posting this link to the BillO Oratorio?
What happens in the blogosphere doesn’t always stay in the blogosphere. Same with crap that comes out of the FOX News orifice. Both were hoping to make enough noise that an actual news channel – like CBS or ABC or NBC – would notice.
The real story is that DKos got Democratic Presidential Contenders to boycott the FOX News network. FOX got Jet Blue to duck its head and pretend not to know who DKos was in public (while still offering them free plane tickets).
Either way, the fact that Mighty Mighty Bill’O has decided to wage a crusade against the peasants at DKos proves that A) Bill has too much time on his hands, B) DKos is surprisingly newsworthy in the eyes of somebody other than itself, and C) arch-liberals and arch-conservatives love to catfight / mudwrestle / whip-it-out-and-compare-sizes whenever the opportunity avails itself.
arch-liberals and arch-conservatives love to catfight / mudwrestle / whip-it-out-and-compare-sizes
I like the Librul-Neocon Air Hockey Cage Match myself.
Nobody beats me at air hockey. Nobody.
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Bubblegum Tate
Please, nobody much studies the French Revolution in US Schools anymore.
My favorite wingnut, Mark Noonan, claims that the French Revolution kicked off the centuries-old conspiracy of “The Left” to eradicate God, destroy “traditional values,” ban “the church” (he’s Catholic wingnut, so, you know, there’s only one church), impose socialism and basically erase everything that is good and decent in the world. It’s his grand overarching conspiracy theory that fuels his smaller conspiracy theories, and I don’t think it will ever stop being funny to me.
Anyway, John once called Billo “the human bilge pump.” I have yet to hear a more apt description.
Wow. Great link, Dreggas. Fox news arguing in court that they have the right to falsify reporting. Apparently “Fair and Balanced” should never be construed as “Remotely True”.
I wonder how many Americans (wrongly) believe that it is the legal responsibility of the media to report the truth?
In any other profession, falsifying data will get you canned, so it would seem reasonable (to most people) that the MSM would be held to the same standard, but they are not. The media is held to a lower standard than a middle-school student writing a term paper.
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ChristieS
Please, nobody much studies the French Revolution in US Schools anymore
Oops, my Minor in Western Civ is showing! :;blush::
LOL.
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Jake
No law says you can’t make news up
Wait a minute, wasn’t this before Rathergate?
What is more appalling are the five major media outlets that filed briefs of Amici Curiae- or friend of FOX – to support FOX’s position: Belo Corporation, Cox Television, Inc., Gannett Co., Inc., Media General Operations, Inc., and Post-Newsweek Stations, Inc.
Oh well, nice reminder than any news organization can, if it wants, claim that the staff of Faux News frequently engage in goat orgies.
Dreggas Says:
Speaking of Faux news and things on Kos check this out:
No law says you can’t make news up
Hmmm, very interesting. They’re quite right that an individual can lie verbally or in writing with no criminal penalties (as long as it’s not libel, fraud for financial gain, yelling-fire-in-a-crowded-theater, etc.) Back in the days of TV being broadcast over the airwaves and picked up by antenna thingies, the law was unambiguous in the other direction: the part of the electromagnetic spectrum usable for broadcast was a finite and limited public space, so the government could and does limit it in the same way that it limits pollution of rivers or whatever. I’d be kind of surprised if no such challenge has been made about cable after all these years, but I don’t know what the outcome was.
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jenniebee
Oh well, nice reminder than any news organization can, if it wants, claim that the staff of Faux News frequently engage in goat orgies.
Well, not quite. Slander is still slander, but you could tell lies that show your friends in a better light than they deserve all day long and fall foul of no law and, apparently, run no risk of having FCC pull your broadcasting license.
I sense a potential for mischief here…
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Rome Again
Nobody beats me at air hockey. Nobody.
We’ll see about that one day. ;)
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The Other Steve
Fortunately O’Reilly is fair and balanced, unlike that cretin over on MSNBC.
Media Glutton
O’Reilly is the only man that I know of in the media who has actually called for the terrorists to attack America. If the conservative blogosphere were anywhere near honest, they would at some point mention this, don’t you think?
myiq2xu
What proof do you have that he’s human?
ConservativelyLiberal
You have a top ten list of people you can’t stand? Ten? That is all? I think mine is around 100.
Maybe I am too picky…
Dave
Eww Eww Eww Eww EWWWWWW
jake
Why do you hate sewage dumps, John?
yet another jeff
Damn you for this too, Scott Thomas Beauchamp!
Ned R.
I kinda think god took the wrong Bill today.
rachel
Is this going to be like that time Bill-O got FOX to sue Al Franken? That was astonishingly successful–for Mr. Franken’s book sales; I hope Kos’s server hamsters are well fed and rested.
Ted
I love Billo. Like Fred Phelps, if he didn’t exist someone would need to invent him.
Otto Man
First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. –Mohandas Gandhi.
Looks like Kos is on step three of a four step program.
Paul L.
Reminds me of the swiftboating of Gandhi.
myiq2xu
” kinda think god took the wrong Bill today.”
I doubt God will ever take BillO. Let’s just say he’s going DOWNtown.
Dave
Paul…I know you post something inflamitory once every other thread, but in hopes that you come back here I have two questions.
1) Do you take BillO seriously?
2) Why?
tBone
Perhaps Paul L is actually a little short brown woman?
incontrolados
I lost my comment — of my own doing.
Paul.
Paul.
That is not the first smear against Gandhi that I have heard/read.
I suspect you have heard them, too.
Tear it all down. all of it.
Looking back in time is a way to narrow everything.
I can’t recreate what I deleted all on my own, but Paul. It’s got to be personal to take it there.
right?
Keith
Sad to say, he has actually gotten much, much worse over the last couple of years. Back when Bush was riding a popularity wave, he would trumpet out mailbag letters where viewers would say he’s moderate, and he would try to actually appear that way for 5-10 minutes a show. These days, he seems to be putting overtime into the angry, pitbull talking points he does.
I actually used to watch his *entire* show for partial amusement, but I cannot stomach 30 seconds of watching that human excrement any more because it is just too much finger-pointing and insults under a Krylon-esque veneer of self-righteousness that makes the taste of my own vomit very, very familiar.
Cain
Regardless of the smears against Gandhi. Gandhi is what India needed at that time. What more can you ask?
Satyagraha is not for every situation. It would have been interesting to debate Gandhi on that. He would have firmly have stuck with non-violent methods. Against someone like Hitler I don’t see how it would work since Hitler looked at Jews as subhuman.
cain
Andrew
Paul L. masturbates himself to restful sleep on the anniversary of Gandhi’s death. I mean, after acting out some light bondage scenarios with his Hitler, Ribbentrop, and Himmler dolls (blow up, life size).
Redleg
PaulL,
Do you believe in Jesus? If so, would you say that Jesus was an advocate of violence or of peace?
ThymeZone
C’mon guys. O’Reilly versus DKos is better entertainment than Godzilla versus The Sea Monster.
Let’s start a pool for how long it takes for DKos to reduce O’Reilly to tears. They’ve only been at it for a short time and already Billo looks like he’s auditioning for the part of Willy Loman.
dslak
Paul L.’s bit on Gandhi is a red herring. The Gandhi quote actually wasn’t about Gandhi so much as an attribution of a quote. You shouldn’t have taken the bait.
Since we’re on the topic, though, Gandhi’s own writings indicated that the success of non-violence required the ‘enemy’ having certain moral standards. That probably wouldn’t have applied with the Nazis, but since Gandhi’s faith in non-violence was based on his religious beliefs, he felt that it was always the ideal solution.
That being said, Gandhi does sometimes allow that violence might be a more appropriate solution for a group than non-violence, but in those cases where a group could (realistically) make effective use of violence, he always opted for the non-violent solution. The use of non-violence is predicated on the power to use violence. This is why, for example, Gandhi opposed British gun laws that did not allow Indians to have firearms.
TenguPhule
Fixed.
TenguPhule
Shorter Paul L: I have always been wrong about everything and will never be right about anything but please look at me anyway because I require a buggering daily to dislodge the ponies lodged up my ass.
Paul L.
No, He’s a populist blowhard.
myiq2xu
Uh, TenguPhule?
As for “infinite,” I might tend to agree. To use the punchline of an old joke: “there’s no end to that prick.”
Not to sure about that “self contained” part. He spews bile and crap everyday.
How about “20 pounds of shit in a 10 pound bag?
But do you know why BillO and the rest of vile gasbags on the right are so angry? Because they won.
For years they screamed “It’s the libruls fault. Let us run things and we’ll all live happily ever-after!”
They never quite had it all before. They had the White House, but not Congress. they had the House, but not the Senate. And they kept screaming that it was the libruls fault.
But from 2002 until 2006, they had it ALL. They could do any damn thing they wanted, and they did.
The result? The GOP and the conservatives that support them are soon going to be politically irrelevant. The GOP as we know it will either ceast to exist or drop into 3rd party status. Conservatism is on life support. Neoconservatism is dead (even though some of them don’t seem to realize it yet.)
And the worst part (from their point of view?): THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES!
They proved that just about everything they said for the last 20-30 years was complete and utter bullshit. Not only are they ideologically bankrupt, they’ve been exposed as incompetent hypocrites as well. Sexually perverted incompetent hypocrites.
We should make a new national holiday and name it Schaudenfreude Day.
Tulkinghorn
Not even right on that one. He is a self-styled populist promoted by corporate interests as part of a long-term misinformation campaign. No different than obvious frauds like John Stossel.
Back when he was a reporter in Boston he was known as “Bill Oh, Really!” – a consummate bullshit artist looking for a sponsor. News Corp is even promoting a radio show regurgitation that is a loser in every major market – why does a supposedly profit driven corporation back a money-losing enterprise for years at a time?
Just like the rest of the Murdoch empire, it is just free-market propaganda. Populists actually arise from the support of, you know, people.
Punchy
OT:
Your Republican party in action. Whether it’s national or state, these fuckers are just unreal.
ChristieS
Punchy, OMG. Is it possible these people have forgotten the swift and brutal decline of another “committee” dedicated to rooting out “traitors” and the political fallout of the “chairman”? Jeebus, don’t they remember?
The moderates really need to just split completely away from these crazies. That’s the only way the moderates have a hope in heaven of convincing the general population that they aren’t stark, barking, mad.
demimondian
What, are you talking about the French Revolution?
Ideologues and purity trolls are the same the world over. They Know What’s Right, and what they Know is the Truth, and is Immutable, Beyond Doubt or Cavil. If they could eliminate the liars who question those Truths, the world would be a Better Place, Dr. Pangloss notwithstanding.
That has nothing to do with ideological bent, only with authoritarian leaning. With luck, they get exposed as crazies, and, in the process of enforcing their Truths, isolate themselves completely. In this case, they’re going to split the Kansas Republican party. I’m going to be interested in seeing what happens to the folks they purge.
jenniebee
Please, nobody much studies the French Revolution in US Schools anymore.
Wilfred
Added to list of things I never want to hear said about me. Deadly.
Zifnab
They did that some time ago. Republicans who aren’t batshit insane went the way of John Cole a year or two back. See: Nov 8th 2006. Wonder why we’ve suddenly got so many “Independents” lately? Because you’ve got a mass of people who just don’t want to be Democrats (and who can blame them? Our party hasn’t exactly been inspirational), but who just can’t stand the stench of their former party anymore.
The people who can claim this ripe crop of fence-sitting voters will be the new party in American politics. Honestly, I don’t see much hope that it won’t be another Republican Redux party with a new label and an airfreshener on the dashboard. If the 60s proved anything, its that you never really clean up these rats. You just watch them scuttle from one ship to another (see: White Flight).
The Europeans are right. America, writ large, is both crazy and stupid. We’ll be looking at the exact same mess fifty years from now, wondering how, after two Nixons and two Vietnams we could possibly have done it to ourselves again. *sigh* Democracy is hard.
jrg
Billo’s Fox-news lies are transparent to anyone who has ever used a message board on the internet.
First of all, there’s nothing stopping someone from creating a new username and logging into a website twice (except some IP filters that are easy to get around), so it’s nearly impossible to permanently ban moronic commentators on the internet. Second, unlike newspapers and TV, comments on a discussion board are not edited before they appear on the site. Third, space for comments on the internet is cheap and virtually limitless (unlike print media and air time), so there is far less concern about editing for content.
BillO has to present random trolls on the internet as the “opposing view”, because he is a liar, and he knows it is unlikely that his geriatric viewers can make distinctions between the web and the MSM.
From an MSM perspective, attacking the blogsphere is about as clever as Coke mentioning Pepsi in every T.V. ad. From Billo’s perspective, attacking the blogsphere is as strategic as charging a mechanized brigade from horseback.
A recently released study shows that the GOP has deeply alienated American youths. I wonder why. Maybe nitwits like Billo should stop picking fights they cannot win.
Zifnab
The first time I filed a tax return without receiving virtually all my money back was last year. I watched thousands of dollars fly out the window and thought about where they were going – an endless War in Iraq, a Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska, some guy listening to my phonecalls, and Karl Rove. Needless to say, I felt that was a waste of money. Forget the verbal assault on the intertubes, as a young American, I’m pissed off for the same reason that so many older Americans are pissed off. They took my money and pissed on it.
Cyrus
Heh, that was entertaining. I thought this part was especially interesting.
The “Kansas Traditional Republican Party.” Maybe that should be the word for the non-crazy less-extremist paleo-cons. Let them have the label of “traditional,” make them the “true keepers of the faith” from the neocons or whoever “hijacked” the party, and it would be easier to get the sane people in charge of the Republicans again. On the other hand, to reflect the simple left-right divide, maybe the more extremist ones should be called “traditional” and the moderates can be halfway between them and progressives/liberals/whatever we’re called these days.
Either way, though, I’m highly amused to see a splinter group in the Republican Party, albeit a relatively informal one, especially if it has the word “Traditional” in its name. “People’s Front of Judea,” anyone?
jrg
They took our money, pissed on it, and told us it was raining.
Billo and Fox news really piss me off because they labeled us traitors when we asked why the Republicans are pissing on money to begin with.
There are thousands and thousands of legitimate reasons to despise the GOP and the right-wing noise machine. What makes me the most angry is that they lie and spin incessantly, call themselves “journalists”, then refuse to issue corrections for their most basic factual errors and omissions.
There is nothing in the water that makes American people stupid. It’s the liars on the air waves. Believing that someone actually verifies the “facts” reported on Fox/Rush/Savage/etc is not “stupid”, just naive.
The Other Steve
Isn’t this Kansas loyalty committee the same as dailyKos going after Joe Lieberman?
Dreggas
BillO is just another sqawker for the Fox Opinion channel. Who gives a rats ass what he says anymore. He just suffers from LDS (Liberal Derangement Syndrome).
John S.
I know I’m not Paul L. (thank G-d) but I feel the need to respond.
Idiots like Paul (and your average Christian ‘warrior’) like to heap scorn and ridicule on those that advocate peace and non-violence, such as Gandhi. However, they seem to conveniently forget that this line of thought runs congruent to that of Jesus himself. Somehow concepts such as this:
And this:
Elude the likes of Paul L. and his fellow ‘Christians’.
ThymeZone
Balloon-Juice Headline!
“PaulL Destroys Gandhi Myth!”
Film at 11.
Punchy
Uh…he’s got a GINORMOUS audience. What I find fascinating about BOR is that everybody he disagrees with is the “far left”. He has no “moderate left”. No “near left”. Everyone and everything is “the far left”.
ThymeZone
That’s what I’m talkin’ about, bitches.
ThymeZone
Well, even if you take his Nielsens at face value, about one sixth of one percent of the American population watches him.
Cable news in general is lightly watched unless there is some big news event breaking. And according to a recent Kos article (with numbers), DKos dailies are always higher than Billo’s. The guy can’t even keep up with a Hitler-based traitorfascist website.
He ain’t shit. He’s about as relevant as Paris Hilton.
Okay, not that relevant.
Jake
Fixed.
Tulkinghorn
So what happened in the great showdown yesterday, aside from people who do not read blogs hearing about how awful Kos is, and people who do not watch Fox reading about how awful BillO is?
Since I don’t watch Fox or read Kos very often, can I conclude that Atrios won as a third-party impleader by posting this link to the BillO Oratorio?
Andrew
Except for the lead, PCBs, and dozens of other pollutants in easily measurable quantities.
eglennb
The missus works in big-media research. Papa Bear’s average audience age is 65+. The Neilsen survey only goes to 65, so his ‘army’ probably consists of quite a few people sleeping in front of the TV…
Zifnab
What happens in the blogosphere doesn’t always stay in the blogosphere. Same with crap that comes out of the FOX News orifice. Both were hoping to make enough noise that an actual news channel – like CBS or ABC or NBC – would notice.
The real story is that DKos got Democratic Presidential Contenders to boycott the FOX News network. FOX got Jet Blue to duck its head and pretend not to know who DKos was in public (while still offering them free plane tickets).
Either way, the fact that Mighty Mighty Bill’O has decided to wage a crusade against the peasants at DKos proves that A) Bill has too much time on his hands, B) DKos is surprisingly newsworthy in the eyes of somebody other than itself, and C) arch-liberals and arch-conservatives love to catfight / mudwrestle / whip-it-out-and-compare-sizes whenever the opportunity avails itself.
ThymeZone
I like the Librul-Neocon Air Hockey Cage Match myself.
Nobody beats me at air hockey. Nobody.
Bubblegum Tate
My favorite wingnut, Mark Noonan, claims that the French Revolution kicked off the centuries-old conspiracy of “The Left” to eradicate God, destroy “traditional values,” ban “the church” (he’s Catholic wingnut, so, you know, there’s only one church), impose socialism and basically erase everything that is good and decent in the world. It’s his grand overarching conspiracy theory that fuels his smaller conspiracy theories, and I don’t think it will ever stop being funny to me.
Anyway, John once called Billo “the human bilge pump.” I have yet to hear a more apt description.
Dreggas
Speaking of Faux news and things on Kos check this out:
No law says you can’t make news up
jrg
Wow. Great link, Dreggas. Fox news arguing in court that they have the right to falsify reporting. Apparently “Fair and Balanced” should never be construed as “Remotely True”.
I wonder how many Americans (wrongly) believe that it is the legal responsibility of the media to report the truth?
In any other profession, falsifying data will get you canned, so it would seem reasonable (to most people) that the MSM would be held to the same standard, but they are not. The media is held to a lower standard than a middle-school student writing a term paper.
ChristieS
Oops, my Minor in Western Civ is showing! :;blush::
LOL.
Jake
Wait a minute, wasn’t this before Rathergate?
Oh well, nice reminder than any news organization can, if it wants, claim that the staff of Faux News frequently engage in goat orgies.
Cyrus
Hmmm, very interesting. They’re quite right that an individual can lie verbally or in writing with no criminal penalties (as long as it’s not libel, fraud for financial gain, yelling-fire-in-a-crowded-theater, etc.) Back in the days of TV being broadcast over the airwaves and picked up by antenna thingies, the law was unambiguous in the other direction: the part of the electromagnetic spectrum usable for broadcast was a finite and limited public space, so the government could and does limit it in the same way that it limits pollution of rivers or whatever. I’d be kind of surprised if no such challenge has been made about cable after all these years, but I don’t know what the outcome was.
jenniebee
Well, not quite. Slander is still slander, but you could tell lies that show your friends in a better light than they deserve all day long and fall foul of no law and, apparently, run no risk of having FCC pull your broadcasting license.
I sense a potential for mischief here…
Rome Again
We’ll see about that one day. ;)