This is actually kind of sad- Tammy Faye Bakker is dead:
Tammy Faye Bakker, the diminutive and elaborately coiffed gospel singer who, with her first husband, Jim Bakker, built a commercial empire around television evangelism only to see it collapse in sex and money scandals, died Friday at her home near Kansas City, Mo. She was 65.
Her death was reported on her Web site and by her booking agent, Joe Spotts, The Associated Press said. She had been suffering from colon cancer, which had spread to her lungs.
On May 8, Ms. Messner, as she had been known since her 1993 marriage to Roe Messner, posted a letter on her Web site, saying that her weight had dwindled to 65 pounds and that doctors had stopped treatment. “Now it’s up to God and my faith,” she wrote.
I grew up watching Tammy Faye, but not in the way you are thinking. PTL was on the channel that hosted the “snowbird” reports when I was a kid, so every morning, when there was the slightest bit of snow on the ground, all four of us kids would gather round the television watching the Praise the Lord Network waiting for those magical words:
“Brooke County Schools have been cancelled.”
Praise the Lord INDEED!
At any rate, I get nostalgic whenever some cultural icon from my youth passes- Tammy Faye is one of them. And, I guess I must add, compared to the religious leaders from the Christian right today, an assortment of bigots, loudmouths, and lunatics, my memory of Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker makes them seem pretty harmless by comparison.
Pharyngula is less charitable, and probably more accurate.
Kirk Spencer
This is sad. It means something I heard – and have since used – will come to mean nothing to those who hear it.
“I’m gonna make you cry so hard people will wonder if you’re Tammy Faye without makeup.”
Pisco Sours
I remember wishing she would get what was coming to her from her greed and tartuffery, and yet she was one of the first to minister to people with AIDS, and she was able to forget a friendship with Ron freakin’ Jeremy, of all people.
I hope St. Peter had a Five Guys burger and French fries drowned in ketchup waiting for her.
RIP.
Downpuppy
I only watched her on The Surreal Life.
Already sick, and long past Jim, she’d made peace with everything & became friends with Ron Jeremy.
One of the better seasons of reality TV.
demimondian
Word of the day. I’d forgotten that one, and, yet…it’s so apt for so many people.
Adam
The Ron Jeremy thing is so weird to me — I saw a couple of episodes of whatever that show was. Vanilla Ice and Gary Coleman were there too, right?
What’s so odd is not only that she was willing to befriend him with full knowledge of who he was — and in a complete reversal of her previous position — but how dramatically it changed my opinion of her. I still found most of her beliefs pretty repulsive, but that one bit of open-mindedness made all the difference to me.
It’s an all-too-rare thing to see someone reach past their prejudices like that, and I think it says a lot about a person when they do.
Then again, she could just be a master manipulator, or it could just be a testament to Ron Jeremy’s way with the ladies, Tammy included.
OK, I need to go wash my brain out with soap now.
laneman
You and Pharyngula are correct.
The right-windgers (and, no, that’s not a typo) of 2007 are much worse and their agenda is scarier.
Pisco Sours
Oops. *Forge* a friendship with Ron Jeremy. Gah.
Anyway, my point is, she was a complex human being with much evil and much good in her, and I’m thankful I don’t have the job of judging where she spends eternity.
Rome Again
That sounds like forced religion to me. The county couldn’t put that message on another station?
I listened to local news radio stations growing up to get that message. The local big 3 television stations also ran that information, but our county was rarely mentioned because folks from Philly tried to act like their neighbors to the southwest in Delaware weren’t in their viewing area.
As for TFBM, all I can say is I’m glad I don’t own stock in make up companies, they’ll suffer from this loss.
John Cole
This was back in the day of 2-3 channels and rotary antennas.
Rudi
JC – You forgot that the PTL soap opera included power grabs by Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Falwell. Tammy Fay is seen in a good light compared to those Elmer Gantry’s. Don’t forget that her second husband made a fortune on the corruption of PTL. While her latter day intentions are good, her greed never ended. But, the Pentecostals her family will forgive her, while speaking in tongues and handling snakes.
Rome Again
Well, since I’m older than you, all I can say is: “I forgot, you’re from West Virginia!” ;)
RandyH
Princess Sparkle Pony has posted a musical tribute to Tammy Faye with music downloads of some Tammy Faye classics. I was never a fan of religion TV but she was an entertaining lady and her son is also very cool for a religion-peddler.
The Other Steve
Satan has had a busy year, with Falwell and now this.
Rome Again
Satan is calling his people home.
billfry
satan calling his people home? better have your phone disconnected..
Adam
It’s unfortunate that others can’t find it in themselves to display that amount of contrition:
While it would be foolish to pronounce her innocent, it’s equally so to pass judgment on her guilt — and it certainly doesn’t defy credibility to consider that her husband, a master deceptionist, might have conned her as well. That might not forgive her blissful ignorance, but neither should it condemn her.
Regardless, I find it unseemly to be so disrespectful at this moment. Wherever she is now, she’s far beyond the reach of your vitriol — now, more than ever, the spite is unnecessary.
Death is an invitation to forgiveness or respectful silence; using it to get in the last word against those who can never again defend themselves is a sort of opportunism that we should rise above. With all due respect, I think we’re better than that.
Adam
Nor is that sort of childishness any better. Show some respect.
Rome Again
Really, Adam. Perhaps you are unaware that prophetic teachers are supposed to be tested (judged) to discern if they speak truth or falsehood. (Matthew Chapter 7).
You go on and take in all the liars and treat them as saints, they are not.
While I do not profess to be a Christian, I certainly am not ignorant of their teachings.
Rome Again
It’s okay, I really do expect this from people who don’t understand the upside-down world religion has created.
rachel
She struck me as a basically nice person who married a manipulative creep.
Rome Again
She wasn’t the stay at home wife of a moneygrubbing minister, she was a part of the show. She propheted, and profited.
jake
She is (to my knowledge) the only big-name evan. to support acceptance of gays and lesbians. Try to imagine Falwell hosting a drag Bingo event.
Better yet, don’t. Your head will explode.
Whatm’tryin’tosay is: If the evans. had a few more Tammy Fayes in their numbers they wouldn’t be at the top of my Raging Shit Head list.
Mike
I’ll bet you were often disappointed. You should have been praying for it (and sending in your donations).
The Other Steve
I was thinking about all the poor souls, who never got a chance to defend themselves against the sort of opportunism perpetrated by their scams.
Adam
I hope you didn’t misunderstand me as saying that the dead are above reproach. I merely said that it’s cheap to go after someone without even letting the dirt settle. Regardless of whether you’re correct about Tammy Faye Bakker, your vitriol does not make the world a better place, nor does it restore to those people what they lost. A temporary moratorium is not equivalent to capitulation.
RA, I myself am quite unfamiliar with the Bible, but I do know enough to believe that your characterization of the notion of “false prophets” is dubious at best. While the Sermon on the Mount says “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them,” it also says explicitly that it’s not for men to judge. I don’t think I’ve ever quoted the Bible at anyone before, but your characterization here is, as far as I know, simply wrong. I believe this is the passage that you were looking for:
Or perhaps:
But there’s another passage, from Matthew 24, specifically referring to false prophets that strikes me as more applicable here:
Feel free to demonstrate your familiarity to me if I am wrong here. I have to say that I don’t find your position as morally righteous as you seem to think it is. Far be it from me to condone the Bakkers nor any other snake-oil salesmen, but I’d also not be so quick or eager to pass judgment.
Rome Again
So you’re saying that acceptance of the gay community would wipe out much of the other stuff that they do? Dominionism, forced religion in schools (creationism vs. evolution), trying to close off separation of church and state, fire and brimstone damnation of all non-believers, trying to put God in the White House… etc?
They would still be at the top of my list, sorry.
demimondian
Adam, it’s not quite that easy. The passage which speaks most directly to this is 1 Corinthians Chapter 5, particularly verses 11-13:
The behavioral burden on a Christian is far greater than that upon a non-believer; we’re supposed to live our faith in everything we do, at the risk of being cast out of the congregation.
It’s the same thing which leads us to shake our heads with sorrow when terrorists do something awful, yet scream in outrage when our own forces do it. We’re *supposed* to be better than they are.
Whether Messner was good, bad, or indifferent, I don’t know. Had I the evidence to speak to it, though, I’d have no qualms about drawing my best conclusion, one way or antoher.
ThymeZone
Adam appears to be written by the same guy who is doing Cassidy. It’s troll week at the BJ, apparently.
I have fifty dollars says they are the same guy (or class project, whatever).
Rome Again
Adam, you didn’t read far enough into Chapter 7. I gave you the entire chapter so you would read the entire chapter. You only picked what you found to work in your favor.
If you had read further, you would have found Matthew 7:15-23. You didn’t need to go to Matthew 24 to find information about false prophets. You had it right there in chapter 7, as I gave you, and if you had read as far as Matthew 7:15-23, you would have found it.
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Now, I have a question:
How are Christians to “Beware” of false prophets if they never judge the prophets actions and message to be true or false?
[**Disclaimer, I am not a Christian and I do not condone this scripture. I placed it here merely to prove a point about what Christians are supposed to do only. ]
Adam
You are incorrect. I heard this Cassidy mentioned in an open thread, I think? I can’t say that a comment has stood out. He/she must not be as prolific or annoying as some of the previous trolls — though I’ve been busy recently, so they might have passed beneath my radar.
Regardless, I comment here from time to time, and have been for a while. Your standard for characterizing those with whom who you disagree as “trolls” must becoming markedly lower as time goes by. If you’re comparing me to someone like Darrell (good riddance, incidentally — when did he disappear?), to whom I believe Cassidy was compared on the thread I saw, then you’re simply being disingenuous.
I think that’s apparent if you merely read upwards a bit. My comment earlier in this thread passed without notice, though I wasn’t really taking a different position. It wasn’t until I pointed out how distasteful I find it (personally) to gleefully joke about Tammy Faye Bakker burning in hell that the indignation started to fly. I’m a flaming liberal and an agnostic, and I still find the sentiment alone (even from a secular perspective) quite discomfiting. I was under the impression that RA was going out on a limb with that barb based on Matthew that — as far as I know from my admittedly limited knowledge — is entirely contrary to the message of the Sermon on the Mount, and a trivial bit of inquiry seemed to confirm that.
But regardless — is any of that really so unreasonable to you as to merit an accusation of “trolling”? More reactionary than “Satan is calling his people home?” I’m surprised. I generally expect more level-headedness from this site. Regardless, I’m afraid that I’m not the troll you’re looking for — or, if you’d still like me to be your target, I think you’ll be disappointed. You can keep the 50 dollars, though.
demimondian: I appreciate the clarification. I, too, would like to see some good evidence one way or the other — I haven’t found anything too convincing as of yet, but I may have been looking in the wrong places. Guilt by association doesn’t do it for me. But it’s surely an open question. Regardless, I’m still very reluctant to pass judgment, especially in such a rush.
RA: I am also not a Christian, but I read that passage and interpreted it to say that while Christians should be wary of false prophets, the prophets in the end would be judged by God, not mortals — which I mentioned to you. That is my reading of that passage. I’m sure demimondian could do a better job with it than I.
Rome Again
Good tree, good fruit. Bad tree, bad fruit: Which is this?
My position is that I’m not a Christian, and as such, I am not bound by any words in the Christian texts. I can find some useful lessons and truths in them (the sermon on the mount is a great lesson in how to treat humanity) but I am not obligated to act any one way or another according to the conventional beliefs of Christianity.
As someone who has been on a lifelong journey for truth, I am completely comfortable with my position of moral righteousness, but it would take far too much time, and without any appreciation, for me to explain why that is so here. I will take responsibility for my actions, when I stand before God (who I do believe in) and I am fully comfortable with that.
Rome Again
How does one be wary of false prophets if they do not discern the difference between a true prophet and a false one?
Yes, God is the ultimate judge of the prophets, as of us all, but, how do you discern which ones to listen to?
Rome Again
Added / Clarified.
I am not saying I am above reproach at all times.
Rome Again
Level-headedness is kind of hard to achieve in an upside-down world. If you want to live by the rules of this backwards world, you go right ahead, I won’t tell you not to; but don’t expect that just because you’ve been taught by conventional wisdom that certain things are level-headed, that they would naturally be so when you can wrap your brain around what the world is supposed to be like when the world is turned right-side up.
The fact of the matter is, what you consider “level-headed” keeps us enmeshed in an upside-down world, but you’ll never understand that, and I don’t expect you to.
ThymeZone
This long rambling brain dump is your defense?
Pay me the fifty bucks, asshole.
Adam
I’m sorry, I’m not fluent in Dipshit. Is that how you say “I was too lazy to read,” or “I’m too fucking dense to parse a sentence”?
OK, I’ll summarize: No. I’m not who you seem to think I am. Get bent.
Your arguments with Darrell were at least entertaining and displayed some degree of intellectual honesty — this sort of judgmental behavior is what you used to decry. You debase yourself.
ThymeZone
Uh, yeah, we’ll be the judge of that. You are asserting facts not in evidence.
I think you’re a fake. Man up, and admit it. I declare my personahood on a regular basis here. What’s your problem?
You argue with the trolls you have, not the trolls you wish you had.
Eh?
Adam
Again, I’m really not the person to ask about this — demimondian seems to have a handle on it — but my understanding is that the Sermon on the Mount was all about personal responsibility: do unto others, if they have problems, let God sort it out. Likewise, judging prophets by their fruits means the same thing it apparently meant in the Old Testament — basically, judge them by whether they follow my teachings. No other God but mine, etc. etc. (But don’t you also think it’s talking about whom to follow? It seems pretty specific to “the flock,” right? That’s clearly not us. :)
Anyway, I think that the prescription throughout the speech is quite emphatically “judge not” — you don’t condemn the false prophets, you just don’t follow them. Maybe you express your opinions, but you don’t condemn them to Hell or wish them ill — that’ll be taken care of in the end.
Clearly I don’t buy the religious aspects of that, but I think it’s a more consistent reading (as long as we’re tossing the Bible back and forth at each other, which I don’t think we should have started doing in the first place, as neither of us subscribes to it…), and I do agree with the “judge not” sentiment as far as not being venomous about the recently-passed. It feels like talking shit about a person who’s just left the room. I’m sure that Tammy Faye Bakker will be judged by history, as she should be. I don’t think there’s any rush. Her accounting will come.
You presume much; I hope you don’t read me as passing personal judgment on you. My feeling is that part of the upside-down-ness of the world is that our political discourse seems to be all-offense, all the time, and the death of prominent, divisive figures is a rare opportunity to take a break, however brief.
Again, that’s just my opinion. I was pretty vitriolic myself when Kenneth Lay died, I recall, and in retrospect I feel that I was too eager to criticize. Much later, and after reading hundreds and hundreds of pages about Enron, I’ve decided that my rage wasn’t justified. Although I think I was essentially right — he was a scumbag — I don’t think it was for the right reasons. The story was much more complicated, the lessons in Lay’s hubris and willful ignorance far more nuanced and, in some ways, more shocking than the caricature of the “evil, thieving CEO.” But in hindsight, even if I had been 100% on the money, what was the point of all my anger? The guy was dead. There was no rush. Even though my conclusion was the same in the end, I wish that I’d behaved differently.
But that’s just me. If you’re confident in your judgment, OK. I find it discomfiting, and it seemed important to me to explain why. I’m not trying to visit your intentions.
Adam
Such as?
I’m not, so I can’t. You’re asking me to prove a negative. Would you like me to go back and find an earlier comment here? I don’t post very often, but I suppose I could do that.
That you’re accusing me of being a troll and calling me an asshole and a troll for no reason? What do you mean, declare your personahood? How do you declare a pseudonym? This is the name I’ve always used here.
ThymeZone
Um, try reading my posts in a mirror. You seem to be getting the messages backwards.
No reason? You’re a troll and an asshole, ANAICT. Walk, quack, duck, etc.
What do I mean? About once a month for two years I declare, for anyone who is not paying attention, that ppgaz/thymezone is a persona. It’s not exactly a secret. Do you have a dictionary? Look it up. Never mind, you might not have one. Okay, have a friend look it up.
Oh wait, you don’t have any friends. Okay, the information desk at the local library can help you.
Adam
this comment, e.g. not my most lyrical moment, but it’ll work. bb after lunch.
ThymeZone
You wrote a complete sentence. Your Pullet Surprise is in the mail.
Adam
Frankly, I’m skeptical that this is even TZ. This amount of rage is out of character. Perhaps we have different notions of “troll” — I take that word to mean an intellectually disingenuous, poster who habitually derails threads, which I don’t do. You seem to understand it to mean someone who disagrees with you, or posts something you find distasteful. Regardless, I’ve never thought it the sort of call you could make based on two or three posts, but again, that’s merely my understanding.
I’m not sure what I’m missing here, but if you really are the person who spent so much time arguing with Darrell, I’d think that you’d know the difference between someone who has a difference of opinion with you (on one subject!) and someone who intentionally antagonizes other users for no reason.
Regardless, it’s clear that you’re worked up over something, and I’m not sure what. I’m going to leave this one for John and Tim to work out. If they think that I’m dragging down the discussion, I’ll abide by their judgment. I don’t know what your deal is today, but I apologize for getting you so riled up.
Adam
I am still unsure what you’re driving at here or what that last comment means. It seems that I’m inadvertently antagonizing you, so I’m going to hold off on any more posts until John or Tim passes judgment on whether or not I’m out of line, because I didn’t think I was even close to it.
Cassidy
Adam, don’t waste your time. Around here “troll” equals someone who doesn’t toe the line and buy into the group-think. They are completely and blissfully unaware of their own hypocricy. The irony is that they think they snobbishly think they are the “front line” of being individuals and “morally right” opposition. Their narrow, dogmatic “beliefs” are very reminiscent of Bush and Cheney, actually…scarily similiar actually.
Just be content to know that you are striding in one of the sewers of liberal thought. Take a short turn left and you’ve reached Pandagon and Oliver Willis.
ThymeZone
…. someone who trolls. That’s the criterion.
You guys are pretty easy to spot, Adam Cassidy.
Hey, did you know that right now your approval rating here is about ten points below George Bush’s?
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha.
Give it up, dude.
Cassidy
Fixed
ThymeZone
OMFG, you’re a listmember, for sure. You will be found out, and you will be punished, amigo.
Don’t even think that you will not be punished.
It’s not nice to fool your listmates.
Cassidy
See Adam…they are completely apathetic to anything that doesn’t fit into their neat, little world-view. They put their fingers in their ears and scream hysterically until someone with a easoned opinion just gives up.
They are no better than the Neo-Cons who have dragged this country down for the last 7 years.
ThymeZone
Uh, try not to get too obvious. You are now plagiarizing B4B for crissakes.
Your disintegration into abject parody is painful to watch.
Adam
…As I said, I don’t want to participate in this thread any longer, but if you’re looking for a fellow-traveler, Cassidy, then you may want to keep looking — the phrase “sewers of liberal thought” puts me ill at ease, and strikes me as the sort of quick-on-the-draw judgmentalism I’ve been protesting throughout this thread. But I’ve apparently pissed off enough people here already, so I’ll leave it at that.
Also, TZ, if you were looking for more circumstantial proof — I don’t misspell. Although I try to avoid the hypocrisy of sniping at others on that point — because I make many typos — that is a substantive difference, if you were looking for one.
Cheers, all.
Cassidy
Keep in mind Adam that you’re dealing with people who’s sole belief in opposition or “compassion” ends at the end of their computer keyboard. Lot’s of talk, but very little action, and they are as intellectually lazy as their bodies.
Cassidy
Not at all, just posting a road sign, to continue the metaphor. And by no measn does the comments section reflect the actual thread content. Tim and John are very enjoyable to read. Unfortunately, they seem to be the blog equivalent of a bug zapper.
ThymeZone
Like I said, you will burn in the eternal fires of troll hell for fooling your friends.
That means nothing but cereal without milk, and Three Stooges Movies for the next thousand years. Perhaps then you will see the tragic error of your ways.
ThymeZone
Aw, and just when I was done marinating you and getting ready to put you on the grill and baste you with barbeque sauce?
Spoilsport.
Tim F.
As far as I can tell, no. In my opinion Thymezone/ppgaz/whatever’s troll fetish is a lazy rhetorical crutch that he uses to shut down people who disagree with him, but it doesn’t violate the rules so a ruling from my bench doesn’t mean much.
Adam
Dude, I have no idea what you’re talking about. “List”? Huh? I’m baffled that you think I’m this person who doesn’t even pluralize properly (“lot’s”?). I’m guessing that John can verify IPs, so he can clear it up for you. Until then, it does seem to me that you’re asking me to prove a negative, which I can’t do, so yes, I’ll leave you to your BBQ. This is weird. Later.
ThymeZone
For crissakes man, give it up. I have never shut anyone down here. Don’t even go down that road, that’s my advice.
And the Adam Cassidy troll? It’s a sure thing. The idiots are using language from B4B at this point. I assure you they are listmembers. If you want to join the list and find out what is going on your own blog, let us know. Most members would agree to it.
ThymeZone
Dude! I can post from 3 different ISPs using six different handles in ten minutes flat. Maybe 15 if I ned tp put on pants.
IPs dont mean shit, and you know it.
Adam
Thanks, Tim — you and John are nice guys, I think, but I’m taking off. I’m reluctant to capitulate and possible enable the sort of behavior on display here, but this thread has been really… discomfiting. I’ve honestly never been treated like this, despite many instances where I think I’ve been far more hostile to people who disagreed with me very strongly. This has just been creepy. I hope to see you guys in the future; best of luck.
Tim F.
Ppgaz, don’t even start to tell me that you don’t try to shut down people who disagree with you. You just did it on this thread. Once you decided that Adam was unacceptable you harrassed him relentlessly until he gave up and went away. Don’t think that you’re important enough for someone to craft a believable persona and set aside a dedicated IP just to dick with you on a semi-obscure blog. Anyone who can do that has better uses for their time than you. As do I.
I’ve seen you do it several times before. Your politics might mesh with most of the people left here but your mindset is pure neocon.
Andrew
Bwhahaha. Definately an inside troll job.
(I would totally not be surprised if Jay Carney were actually out trolling blogs, but I think this is a just a clever signal. I am amused. 5 points to Slytherin!)
ThymeZone
I have just one word for you: Darrell.
You are so full of shit, man. People call each other trolls all the time. They do it to me. Nobody who knows the Tubes runs away because somebody called them a troll. Nobody. If somebody is that timid, they aren’t going to last an hour on the Internet. I’ve been called every name in the book, it doesn’t phase me. Do you even have the remotest idea what is going on here? I doubt it.
Cassidy has been troll rated by quite a few posters here. What are you going to do, claim that I somehow influenced them to do this?
What a crock of shit. Seriously, the biggest crock of shit you have ever posted.
And you guys really ought to get a clue what is going on on your blog, because you have no clue at this point. Maybe you should find out who is posting, who the handles belong to, and so forth, before you starat a stupid rant like this.
You don’t know anything about me, bud. Don’t talk about my mindset until you know what it is, which you won’t find out by sitting on your self-constructed ivory tower and looking down on the proceedings.
If you want to know about my mindset, the first thing you need to do is ask me. And I’ll tell you what it is, you won’t tell me.
Cassidy
Definately the compassionate left…lol.
Andrew
Dude, we get it. You’re a huge asshole troll. Blah blah. Boring.
Adam had some great Broderistic platitudes. Much better writing with that character. I vote to keep Adam and can Cassidy.
Cassidy
Prettymuch sums it up. Fortunately for me, I enjoy conflict.
Rome Again
What does knowing one’s mindset or not knowing it have to do with “the compassionate left?”
This is a really stupid statement to make.
Cassidy
You all have proven quite the opposite. Unfortunately, I’m dealing with the segment of the population whose military knowledge stems from bad action movies and way too many hours playing Ghost Recon.
ThymeZone
Yes, giving quarter to trolls is the very soul of compassion.
How do you suppose you managed to convince almost everybody here (except the slumbering blog owners) that you are a troll?
Hint: You are not very good at it, at the end of the day. Don’t pout. Review your mistakes, get a new handle, and try it again.
There’s no dishonor in being no good at it. I myself am really no good at it. That’s why I (a) declare myself as a persona, (b) reveal my email address so that people can write me and get more information, and (c) participate in a list offline with others like me, and do so openly (I have probably mentioned it here a hundred times).
I have posted here with a total of 4 handles in the last 2.5 years. ppgaz, thymezone, and two others who must remain unidentified at this juncture. Those two others probably account for a total of 2 dozen posts in 30 months. So it’s not a big deal. If you want more information, write me.
If you want my addy, I’ll put it up on my url for a little while, just ask.
If you don’t already have it, that is :)
Cassidy
It was a snapshot of the venom that TZ feels towards anyone who doesn’t automatically agree with him. Stay with me RA. I know you’re getting older, as you’ve pointed out on several occassions, but that is no excuse.
Cassidy
Doesn’t get any plainer than that.
Rome Again
Your dig about “the compassionate left” made no sense. You don’t know TZ, you don’t know me, and you don’t know a lot of people who you make petty generalizations about. You have no clue about what you speak of when you characterize people so sweepingly, as you so often do.
Stay with you? Why would I want to do that? I have no intention of doing anything with you except exposing your silly antics and weaknesses.
ThymeZone
Yeah, what do you think was the tipoff?
The sentence to cereal without milk, and Three Stooges Movies?
That’s what scared off Adam, right?
I mean, if you happen to talk to him, why don’t you ask him if that was what “shut him down?”
Can ya do that for me? Thanks, I am always looking to improve myself.
Cassidy
Well, while your statement may seem logical to you, in the real world, you ar ejudged by what you rpesent, and I have accurately stated what you and your group think partners have presented. If you don’t like being mis-characterized, then I suggest you stop playing to the stereotypes. It’s that simple.
Wishing for someone to die and insisting that they go back on their promises, to satisfy your dogmatic agenda, is very telling. Then of course, there is the whole “Bush is a war criminal” (no trial, no criminal) idiocy, and the “imperialistic America” meme, followed by “blood for oil”, etc., etc., etc….all unprovable positions not supported by fact. And then there is the “I don’t conform to religion” blather and the denouncement of the Red Cross, which was really amusing as they are actually doing what you think is the only course of action, etc. You’re so “non-conformist” that you’re typical. It’s very amusing.
Something else that is entertaining:
Lol…well I could’ve told you that. Most people find blunt honesty an asshole character trait. I’m used to that one.
Andrew
I’m guessing that I’m fitter than you, shoot better, and have superior knowledge of Iraqi politics and tactical conditions.
Cassidy
Maybe. I’m in great shape, an expert shot on several weapons systems, and spent most of my career in Combat Arms. So it is possible that you’re better at those things. Maybe, maybe not.
As for the Iraqis…my knowledge comes from experience and working with the local population.
Rome Again
Babykakes, I’m about an “ungroupthink” and you can get. You have no clue of what you’re talking about. Again, sweeping generalizations with little knowledge of the facts about who I am or who TZ or anyone else is. You’d be surprised to find that we don’t think like everyone else.
You want to accuse someone of groupthink? Go spend time with Faux News viewers. They can’t come up with an independent thought on their own at all.
You’re just an idiot parroting lines you have no understanding of, run along little troll.
ThymeZone
Let me tell you what I think is entertaining, Adam Cassidy.
You came to this blog and instantly started trashing all the other posters, sometimes individually, sometimes as an amorphous group, and Tim thinks you are okay.
I call you a troll, and Tim says that I “shut people down.” Apparently, the threat of cereal without milk and Three Stooges movies is enough to scare off the timid people who come here with their little hats in their hands to proffer their delicate thoughts?
Don’t you think that is just funny as hell?
Really, don’t you?
Rome Again
So the fuck what? Does this make you special?
Fixed!
ThymeZone
So Adam Cassidy, after you have laughed yourself into an asthma attack over my previous post, why don’t you sit down (or, stand up, if you prefer) and explain to us what the FUCK you think is really going on here?
I mean, in light of the paradoxical situation I described?
Really. Would you? Just explain it.
You trash anything that moves, and the owners like you. I call you a troll, and they back up the manure truck on my doorstep. What do you think gives, Adam? Cassidy, I mean?
Will you please explain it?
Andrew
I am also much more handsome than you are. My career in modeling gave me opportunities I just couldn’t find in the armed forces.
Dreggas
You are obviously taken in by the generalization that because I/we are liberals we are supposed to be compassionate. Let me disabuse you of that notion because it couldn’t be further from the truth. Further, your willingness to paint with such a broad brush vis-a-vis using a few of TZ’s posts as an indictment of the rest of us does little in proving you aren’t a troll, personally I could care less one way or the other since it doesn’t affect me too much. You attack others, as you have with your cocky little comments and expect not to have others come back at you how very…republican of you.
Rome Again
I am rolling on the floor laughing here, Andrew. Thanks, I needed that! ;)
Hilarious!
Rome Again
But he’s a Leiber-troll republican, which means we’re supposed to like him!
::vomit::
Cassidy
As I said before, I dind’t come in here swinging. i came in with a different viewpoint and was immediately villified. That’s the commuity you’ve helped to create.
Now I just enjoy the sport of this whole thing.
Andrew, good for you. I’m a relatively average looking guy, so no modeling for me. But to be able to claim to be a model and a ME expert all at once…wow…let me guess, you can shoot lightning bolts out your ass as well.
RA…did you vote for Gore in 2000? Not very consistent with the Liberman insults. I don’t care for him myself, but hey, if you like the guy, do what you gotta do.
Cassidy
Never has been a big concern of mine…
OTOH, if you were as enlightened and as free thinking as you seem to think you are, you’d be willing to stop and listen to a differing viewpoint from someone whose experiences are vastly different from yours.
Rome Again
No, you came in here with a viewpoint that was very republican and expecting us to embrace it. No way will we do that here.
In 2000, Lieberman hadn’t shown his scales yet. He was Gore’s running mate on a DEMOCRATIC ticket. Now he’s an Independent who kisses George Bush’s ass. Big difference.
ThymeZone
Noooooooooh, say it ain’t so! Your admirers here are going to be disappointed, they thought maybe you were considering a run for the White House.
Okay, I’m kidding. You don’t have any admirers here. But anyway, I’m just saying.
Rome Again
Cassidy, your viewpoint is all over the television, the magazines, the newspapers, etc. There is nothing new in it. You even hate the Iraqis just like your republican brothers. No thanks! You sell fear, and I have no reason to fear what you do. Fear is what has ruined the mindset in the country and we are only now starting to come out of that fog.
You want to continue this war, and you are under the strange impression we can still win it. That notion has been lost on those with at least half a brain long ago.
Don’t try to act like you’re some new and different kind of animal, your kind is a dime a dozen at FR and LGF.
Cassidy
I gave up on that segment a while ago. No need to torture myself.
Actually, it was kind of amusing. It earned a small smile. Doesn’t change that Tim was right.
You’re consistently a prick denouncing and browbeating anyone who doesn’t agree with you?
Cassidy
To the right of you does not make a Republican.
Insulting attacks on someone who doesn’t think as you do. At least your consistent.
Not really. Whether it’s the hysterical left or right calling the shots, it’s still narrow-minded dogma. That’s the real problem.
Oh quit with the hyperbole. It’s childish. Yes, there are some very worng things right now, especially in regard to this current Administration. But “ruining the country”? That’s a little over the top. This country has survived worse.
Cassidy
I’m too honest to be a politician. It would be a short lived career.
Rome Again
Would you like to tell me why neither TZ nor myself attacked Dreggas for his rant that he is a non-compassionate if we browbeat anyone who doesn’t agree with us? (*And yes, you did characterize me that way several times too!)
Despite your characterization of me, I am a compassionate person (and what do you know, I work in the medical field too – I’m already doing what you suggested yesterday, just not in Iraq – and before you tell me I’m not volunteering – well neither are you) yet, I have no problem with the fact that Dreggas doesn’t want to be considered a compassionate person, and I’m not calling him on it because, wow, what do you know, I accept others who don’t believe exactly as I do. Big surprise, huh! Can you explain this inconsistency?
ThymeZone
Calling you a troll is denouncing and browbeating?
While your calling everyone here every manner of names and impugning the honesty, sincerity and worth of everyone else’s views is …. what?
Did you really think this act was going to last longer than about a day? You’re not only a troll, you’re a lousy troll. You blew your cover on the first day, man.
The only person you fooled, as far as I can see, is Tim. Who else here is buying you schtick at this point?
Well, besides Adam, Adam?
Rome Again
Your message IS Republican, you are dishonest to not characterize it as such.
The Lieber-troll thinks Lieberman is a Dem, which we already knew. The Lieber-troll is blind to the Lieberman lie.
Like his president, the Lieber-troll doesn’t pay attention to polls.
The Lieber-troll doesn’t recognize fear when he sees it, neither do Republicans who fall for the same lie. I bet if I asked the Lieber-troll what was worse, he’d offer FDR as an example.
John Cole
Adam is not a troll. In fact, he is a real live person with his own thoughts and the like.
Back off.
Dreggas
I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO RANT!
Don’t get me wrong I am compassionate some of the time but am a firm believer that stupidity should be painful, further I would have no qualm making mince meat out of someone who genuinely deserved it.
Cassidy
It takes quite a bit more to imtimidate me. I was speaking in general terms. There is very little you could do to actually offend me, as I’m very secure in my beliefs and willing to let others go as they may. But I have been reading this site for a long time and that’s a small answer to your question.
It’s an all volunteer army, darlin’. At least that’s the argument I’ve heard before: “Soldiers deserve to die because they volunteered for this Imperialist romp”, etc.
And finally a little bit of honesty from you. That was nice. I’ll let you in no a little secret…I don’t doubt you’re a compassionate person. But, compassion is a useless trait coupled with inaction. It’s kind of like saying, “well I didn’t intend for that to happen”. doesn’t change the end result.
Secondly, in complete counter-point to your compassion, you have a very complete lack of understanding about what makes a military mind tick. Now in some ways, you’ve described a very small segment of the military; very few people who join are altruistic in nature. For the most part, those who join do so out of some sort of selfish motivation. And we deal in realities. While you debate on a blog, we have to do our job. It does not matter what we think. Our professional obligation comes first and that’s what sets us apart. The reality is that we are there. Period. Whether we like it or not; whether we disagree or not. Personally, I don’t do my job half-assed. And you can say things about breaking oaths all you want…but the facts are, no laws have been broken, no crimes have been charged, no unlawful orders have been given. Until the otherwise is proven with facts and indicments, it is a non-issue. Screaming it loud enough doesn’t make it true.
So drop the imperialist schtick. It isn’t accurate. Soldiers do their job. And then we go home and drink some beer. Some of us don’t come home, ever. Try showing a little compassion to that small segment of the population who has to carry the burden of poor decisions. This whole Iraq fiasco doesn’t affect you, other than the anger you allow yourself to feel about something you have no control over. But it does affect us. we’re the ones who have to leave our families. We’re the ones who have to have the inner strength to look past our own selfish opinions. Not you.
Cassidy
My message is realistic. We are there. We must win, so less Soldiers die. I would happily leave that shithole to fend for themselves in a heartbeat. Since that isn’t a current option, then I prefer to survive. I like being alive. I’m kinda funny that way.
Rome Again
You volunteer to go, you get paid to be there. I on the other hand would NOT get paid for my services and I have my own responsibilities to think about. Fuck off on that bullshit.
As for whether I don’t act or not, you have no idea what I do and don’t do, that I take an interest in what’s going on in our government at all is more than a lot of people do. Again, fuck off on that bullshit.
As for the “imperialistic schtick” – you wouldn’t know an imperialist president when he’s standing right before you, because he already is, and you refuse to acknowledge it. So when we lose our Constitution and all of our freedoms so that we can continue to fight a war we should have never started, and you finally understand that you were derelict in your duty, don’t come bitching to me about it.
ThymeZone
What do you think it was that caused you to descend to the “denounce and browbeat” slogan, though?
Was it the cereal without milk, and the Three Stooges movies?
That was it, right? The hideous gaffe that has Tim and John acting like you stupid trolls should have free reign here to shit on anything that moves, while the rest of us walk on eggshells?
Seriously, between the two, was it the cereal, or the Three Stooges? Was it when I offered you my email address?
That was it, right? The email address? That’s the Tubes equivalent of choosing weapons, isn’t it? When I suggest that you get my email address?
You are one tough customer, being able to stand up to that kind of abuse, sir. I am not worthy.
Rome Again
Ain’t happening, you better prepare yourself for that.
Cassidy
TZ–You can leave your email all you want. I have no interest in having a private conversation with you. I’ve learned about all I need to know about you. As for denouncing and browbeating, I’m just referrin to your behavior. You lash out at any target, regardless of who they are, the immediate moment they have an opinion contrary to yours.
So your “compassion” is a bought commodity. Doesn’t sound very Democratic to me. Do you think I don’t have responsibilities?
Blah, blah, blah…you’re a broken record. I haven’t been derelict in my duties. But I’m tired of explaining that to you. You really don’t have a very firm grasp on some topics.
Cassidy
Today. Tommorrow could change. Who knows.?
Rome Again
No my compassion is not a bought commodity, I’m simply stating that I have responsibilities that do not afford me to go volunteer in a foreign country. Again, YOU GET PAID TO BE THERE which means you are still providing your responsibilities. I cannot leave my responsibilities behind and go work in foreign desert and leave my responsibilities behind. Got that? I can care about people and I can do what I can to raise awareness of the situation, but I cannot go running off to a foreign country in my position and live on no income.
Were you not being paid, you’d have a point, but you don’t.
No, actually, you have a tin ear.
Tim F.
Yes it is, and I am sick to the breaking point of you using it as a crutch against everybody you don’t like.
Rome Again
You really are delusional, dream on Lieber-troll.
ThymeZone
Really? You can support that with some facts and evidence, right?
And what do we call what you do here? Constructive criticism? Are we going to suggest that your bullshit trollcrap is preferable because …. you like your style better? Are we having a style discussion now?
The guy who pimps all this bathos and melodramatic crap about war and soldiering is concerned with posting styles on an obscure blog? That’s what you want us to believe now?
Cassidy
Well, then your beleifs must not be that strongly held. You won’t back them up with action…
See, I can do it too. Frustrating isn’t it? Of course you can’t leave behind your obligations (I would assume children). Realisitcally I wouldn’t expect you too. OTOH, there are those of us who do, because we took an oath to do so. It has nothing to do with politics or any of that other crap. It’s very simply a job to get done and then come home. So, again, quit with the imperialist shtick. Show a little compassion to the returning Soldiers who have shouldered the burden of this thing. In the end, we’re the ones who have had to deal with it, not you.
Cassidy
Look no further than this thread.
Call it what you want. I give my opinion, no more, no less.
Call it waht you will. Doesn’t change facts. You have no idea what it’s like in Iraq. You have no idea what it’s like to be a Soldier. Yet you cough up some half-baked opinions that have no grounding in experience. Why would I take anything you say seriously, when all you do is venomously attack anyone who doesn’t share your (super-secwet) mindset.
Cassidy
I’m not a big Lieberman fan. We don’t hold a lot of similiar positions.
Rome Again
Well, yeah, because everyone knows that if you hold firmly onto beliefs, you should render those who are depending onto you to homelessness.
No thanks asshole, fuck off!
Rome Again
One problem troll, I didn’t take an oath to defend the Constitution, YOU DID!
ThymeZone
No, it isn’t. That’s just absurd. Cassidy is clearly a troll, pretty much everyone knows it.
In any event, calling somebody a troll because you think he is a troll is not a crutch, it’s a statement of opinion.
Calling that names because you don’t like it just obnoxious.
More to the point, it’s because you don’t like me, and that’s even more obnoxious. Because a lot of people here are calling out Cassidy and I don’t see you getting on their case, even though you apparently are the only person here who still has said he’s a damned troll.
As for Adam, I still think he’s a troll. However, my fifty buck wager was that he was the same guy as Cassidy. You know what, if anyone can prove that he isn’t, I’ll pay the fifty. Im not above making good on the bet.
Now why don’t you back up that bullshit rant that I have the “mindset of a neocon?” WTF was that?
You guys never get it, do you? Mostly your posters don’t do or say anything that you guys haven’t done and said … that’s how we know what the rules are. Except when you are in pissy moods during the summer and like to make up the rules to suit the current argument.
You guys sat here and let Darrell shit all over this place for at least three frigging years that I know of. Do not presume to lecture me. I ain’t buyin it.
ThymeZone
Point to the posts where I have expressed any opinion on the subject of “what it’s like to be a soldier” or stated any subjective opinion about the soldiers? In fact, why don’t you round up all my comments on the subject of “the soldiers” for the last 2.5 years here and then tell me which of them you don’t agree with?
Mostly, I think you’ll find that they boil down pretty much to “they’re heroes and we owe them more than we can ever repay” and variations on that theme.
Is that what you find objectionable?
Are ya just gonna keep on making this shit up?
ThymeZone
Um, well, I don’t believe that. Your opinions are all over the map, and seem to bend as the argument goes. One of many things that set of the troll alarms on you.
But let’s say for the sake of argument that you are being honest. Ooookay …. then everyone here is pretty much doing the same thing. Is that why you crap on all the other posters here, individually and collectively, over and over again on multiple threads?
If you are such a defender of the expression of opinion, that you should have no problem with the fact that pretty much everyone here expresses the opinion that you’re a troll, right? Except for Tim, and the explanation for that …. I ain’t got one. Well I do, but that’s neither here nor there.
Cassidy
I thought you were against sweeping generalizations?
Last I checked John and Tim were the host(s) here…not TZ.
Nah…I like arguing too much to just leave.
Oh! So you’re putting your obligations before your beliefs? I thought that wasn’t allowed in your world view? I’m pretty sure you were trying to tell me I should be renouncing my Oath of Service, in lieu of my personal beliefs. Which one is it?
Cassidy
You can express yourselves all you like TZ. I firmly beleive in free speech. But free speech doesn’t mean free from criticism.
ThymeZone
Take a poll. How many people here think you are a troll, and how many do not?
BTW, you held court here all weekend and I think I didn’t say a peep. That’s the period during which your trollitude was firmly established and became known to the crowd.
How do you explain that? I pegged you as a troll my first day with you, and went away and left you alone for three days. During which everyone decided you were a troll.
Are you going to argue that I have the power to do that?
Go ahead, right after you answer my challenge about my views on soldiers. You are working on that, right?
ThymeZone
No, really? Did you think that up all by yourself?
Cassidy
No, you just seem like you needed to be told that. You acted unaware.
Rome Again
I am completely comfortable with my beliefs and my actions. I don’t belief I have to go running off to Iraq to prove I have compassion. I can raise awareness right here at home. There is no one solution that is right for all people. You trying to characterize compassion as only being shown by going to Iraq is a farce anyway, but of course, you will never admit it. There are many different roles that people can play in many different areas. I work for a company that saves lives, that to me is as compassionate as anything you would have me do. Not everyone who has compassion should be expected to go play volunteer in a war zone, it just doesn’t make sense to have such limited restrictions on “compassion”.
I care about people, and I care about what this war is doing to the innocent in Iraq. I am not in a position to go to Iraq. Just because I can’t go to Iraq does not mean I don’t have compassion.
You yourself have balls to talk to me about my compassion when you boast about how you help save the people who aren’t even decent human beings in your eyes (“Good luck trying to find one” – spoken of innocent Iraqis). Your hypocrisy is absolutely amazing.
Andrew
Woot! I called it.
But I assume this means he’s one of your students? j/k
Cassidy
As Am I, so don’t sit and feed me a line of bullshit about how my oaths mean nothing, etc., when you don’t practice the same in your life. My obligations are no less important than yours and it is ridiculous to say otherwise.
It’s called being a professional Soldier and putting your own selfish, personal beliefs aside to do your job to the best of your ability. That isn’t hypocricy. I don’t have to like the Iraqis to know that treating battlefield injuries on Soldiers and civilians is the right thing to do. It’s a committment to professionalism.
I’m just working within the confines of your own statements. If you need to make changes, by all means do so. I don’t think I’ve actually given my definition on comapssion, to be perfectly honest.
Exactly. I live a life by a completely different set of principles than you…not better, just different. And that’s been my whole point through several threads. All this talking and debating and blah, blah, blah…it doesn’t matter. In the end, you talk, while a small minority of the population shoulders the burden of a bad decision. The politics and motivations don’t matter. The reality is we are there.
ThymeZone
Yeah, it’s Pullet Surprise time fer you … except for one leetle thing:
The definition of a troll is not that the individual is not a real person with real thoughts. It is that he trolls. Trolling is defined by actions.
Cassidy is clearly a troll. He (or she, or they) is obviously a person or persons, and with real thoughts.
So, what did I miss? Besides the fact that Adam might have written some cheesy complaint because I threatened him with milkless cereal and Three Stooges movies? I mean, I am almost as bad as Paris Hilton, eh? That’s shuttin’ him down, isn’t it? If somebody came after me with talk of Three Stooges movies, I’d be buyin myself some new Taser cartridges.
Andrew
I am also better at taking oaths than you. I’m pretty sure that you are only 94-98% committed to the defense of the Constitution, whereas I am 110% for that and also 200% for defending puppies and hot chicks.
Rome Again
That would be nice if your job didn’t include killing people.
Andrew
Come now, TZ, you’re missing the subtle elegance in Adam’s work. Earnest non-religious pompous religiosity. Good stuff.
Cassidy
I’ll defend hot chicks all day long…especially if they’re lesbians. Puppies, not so much. Not sexy enough.
Well sure, you’re absolutely right! Unfortunatly, war has been around as long as man has. Being a Soldier is the only job older than prostitution. Willingness to kill and wanting to kill are two very different things, though. I don’t want to kill anyone. Fortunately, I haven’t had too. If I can make it my whole career without doing so, I’ll be happy with that. But I am willing too in defense of my life or that of my fellow Soldiers. And beleive it or not, if the unlikely situation were to arise, I would do it for you too because you are an American citizen (not implying that’s the case now).
Contrary to popular belief, we don’t just go around randomly spraying the countryside, hoping to cap an insurgent. It’s a little more organized than that.
Maybe that’s a little hard-hearted for you. I get that. And I don’t expect everyone to feel the same as I do. I accept what I’ve chosen to do for a living. But I’m not going to be denigrated for it either. The reality of my job is that if I’m doing my job, someone has or is going to get hurt badly. All too often, it’s young, American men.
Andrew
Are you an Iraqi insurgent?
Rome Again
And because it has been done for thousands of years, that’s the reason to keep feeding bodies into the killing machine? That’s a crock!
Change it, make a difference, don’t kill others for believing differently than you do.
ThymeZone
I think you meant oats, and that line was stolen from Mister Ed, who said:
“Aw, Wilbur, ahm better at takin oats than you.”
Rome Again
How many bullets get spent per one bagged insurgent again? Oh yeah, someone said it was like 25,000. Now, I can’t attest to that number, but, you can be damned sure there are a lot of innocent Iraqis (I created a montage of bloody dead babies killed in the world on some artwork a couple of years ago – were they not innocent?) being killed for no reason whatsoever.
You act like it’s all an organized cake-walk, and you still believe the war is going to attain the goals it was set to attain. It is NOT organized, people are dying by the thousands and the goals will not be achieved. Mark my words.
Rome Again
(I created a montage of bloody dead babies killed in the war on some artwork a couple of years ago – were they not innocent?)
Cassidy
It’s reality. Life sucks, get a helmet.
I don’t. I could care less what they believe in. That’s not important when bullets are flying.
It’s not a cake-walk. I allready said that. It could be, but that would involve levels of violence, most people shudder to think about. Maybe the goals will be achieved, maybe they won’t. doesn’t change that American troops are dying and they deserve better than your lack of understanding.
How about a photo montage of all the children who no longer have fathers and mothers because they died in action?
Rome Again
I’m amazed at how you can equate the death and destruction of Iraqi lives with those of Americans. The two really are NOT the same thing at all.
As you stated, the military volunteered to go over there, why should I have to take pity on the children they left behind willingly? I’m sure those children have a warm bed, food in their tummies, and family that loves and dotes on them constantly.
The mothers who have to bury their children in the Iraqi desert don’t give up their children willingly. Often times they don’t have a home to go home to. There is a HUGE difference.
Cassidy
So not all lives are equal or worth the same to you? So you only feel pity or compassion for the dead if the meet certain criteria? You really are starting to sound like a neo-con.
Cassidy
Next thing you know, RA is going to be saluting and calling for the mass murder of the race, or group of people, she’s deemed not as worthy to live as others.
Rome Again
Gosh, if I don’t give America the top spot, I’m a hater, yet you can’t stand the entire Iraqi citizenry and it’s okay for you to say so. Your double standard is SO tiring. Bye.
Cassidy
Hating and not liking are two different things. And I’m not he one saying American lives are worthless. But hey, make your justifications if that’s what helps you sleep at night.
Cassidy
“All hail the Rome-fuhrer.”
Shall we start leading the Americans who don’t think like you to the gas chamber or are we gonna do it on the cheap with some rope. Of course, make sure you live up to your obligations first,a s you’re the only one who is allowed to put your obligations before your personal beliefs. The rest of us should follow your words, and not actions, and be dishonest and have our word mean nothing.
billfry
what a bunch of drones..
HunterBlackLuna
Even reading through the comments section, I had to bring a bucket of pure-base solution to neutralize the enormous oceans of acid being tossed around.