9 Months for Hicks

The details of the plea deal are out:

Australian David Hicks pleaded guilty at the Guant‡namo Bay Navy Base yesterday to supporting terrorism in exchange for a nine-month prison sentence under a plea deal that forbids him from claiming he was abused in U.S. custody.

In return, Hicks, 31, will be allowed to leave Guana‡namo within 60 days to serve out the sentence in his native Australia. He will be free by New Year’s Eve.

“They told us this was one of the world’s worst terrorists, and he got the sentence of a drunken driver,” said Ben Wizner, staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union.

The Bush administration originally had sought life in prison for Hicks. But the presiding officer, Marine Col. Ralph Kohlmann, disclosed that a Pentagon official had cut the deal.

Under the deal, Hicks agreed not to talk to reporters for a year, to forever waive any profit from telling his story, to renounce any claims of mistreatment or unlawful detention and to submit voluntarily to U.S. interrogation and testify at future U.S. trials or international tribunals.

And there you have it. One of the worst of the worst, as we are told, and even after abusing him and trying him in a kangaroo court of their own construction, the best our fearless leaders can get is 9 months. I sure feel safer now that this terrifying menace is off the streets. Maybe they should charge him with jaywalking to up the sentence?

That is how weak their case was, that is how weak this whole system is. The only security that this whole Hicks deal provides is security for the Government- Hicks can’t officially allege he was abused or talk to the press.

Pathetic.

*** Update ***

When did we become such a damned joke? You know who else is going to be forcing people to sign paperwork stating they were not abused?

Iran.

Seriously- we were told this guy and the others down there are the worst of the worst- real terrorist masterminds and vicious, murderous thugs, and that is why we couldn’t try them using ordinary means, etc. And the sentence they give this terrible menace is the legal equivalent of a wedgie.






104 replies
  1. 1
    John Lott says:

    After he gets back home, though, I would think there would be a good chance for him to get the Australian courts to void his side of the agreement.

  2. 2
    jg says:

    Anything longer than nine months and he’ll blab. That’s some qualtiy justice we got going on down there. Master terrorists bent on killing americans given light sentences if they don’t tell anyone what goes on down there. Do you think COngrees could subpoena him?

  3. 3
    Darrell says:

    Hicks was picked up in Afghanistan on a battlefield fighting with Taliban.

    But since he looks like such a clean cut young man, he’s no menace right? Brilliant

  4. 4

    […] John Cole on the news that Hicks has to serve nine months in custody: “I sure feel safer now that this terrifying menace is off the streets. Maybe they should charge him with jaywalking to up the sentence?” […]

  5. 5
    Perry Como says:

    Hicks was picked up in Afghanistan on a battlefield fighting with Taliban.

    Fixed that for you.

  6. 6
    Pb says:

    9 Months for Hicks

    Martha Stewart got 10 months — I guess she should have tried her hand at “supporting terrorism” instead of “insider trading”.

  7. 7
    jake says:

    Under the deal, Hicks agreed not to talk to reporters for a year, to forever waive any profit from telling his story, to renounce any claims of mistreatment or unlawful detention and to submit voluntarily to U.S. interrogation and testify at future U.S. trials or international tribunals.

    Perhaps someone could tell me what the flaming fuck this has to do with stopping terrorism and punishing the evil islamokittenkillingfascists? I guess you could argue that requiring him to testify will mean he can point the finger at other suspects but once he’s back home what will happen if he says no thanks? Ask Australia to hand him over? Suuure. Also, what happens if he gets home and says: “By the way they beat the shit out of me and here’s a detailed list of things future detainees can expect during their stay at Hotel Gitmo.”

    Then what? WHAT exactly will anyone be able to do?
    Nuthin?
    Jack shit?
    Call Shenanigans?

    This isn’t about punishing people or stopping the people who WANT TO KILL US, this is about covering the old arse.

  8. 8

    It’s sad to see what this group of fools has done to this country, speaking as a concerned citzen who knows that this is a disaster regardless your political party.

    As a yellow dog Democrat however, it is quite entertaining to see Republicans choking on their own rage as they see what their votes in 2000 & 20004 have wrought. My sympathy meter is still hovering at just slightly above zero.

    Har.

  9. 9
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    Hicks was picked up in Afghanistan on a battlefield fighting with Taliban.

    He was only there for a wedding, I’m sure, even though his letters clearly indicate that the “wedding” was held at an Al-Qaeda training camp over the course of several months, and bin Laden was been the Best Man, and the honeymoon was in the Kashmir.

    Unless this bastard rolled over big-time, this is a travesty. It’s another example of why we shouldn’t capture any of these nutters. We should execute them on the spot.

  10. 10
    demimondian says:

    Darrell, snookums, I know that logic is hard for you, but, read carefully. Either Hicks is dangerous or not, right? If he was dangerous, then a nine-month sentence is wholly inadequate; indeed, a seven-year sentence was wholly inadequate. He received a seven-year sentence, however, all but nine months of which was suspended, provided he wouldn’t talk to reporters for a year. It would seem that he must not have been truly dangerous, no matter where he was captured.

    That was a really pathetic jackalope, by the way.

  11. 11

    Hicks was picked up in Afghanistan on a battlefield fighting with Taliban.

    But since he looks like such a clean cut young man, he’s no menace right? Brilliant

    Which makes him a Prisoner of War.

    Which means the Geneva Conventions apply. The actions of this government in respect ot the treatment of POWs make them war criminals.

  12. 12
    Pb says:

    Also, what happens if he gets home and says: “By the way they beat the shit out of me and here’s a detailed list of things future detainees can expect during their stay at Hotel Gitmo.”

    What if he gets home and just kills himself–as this was a military tribunal, does anyone know if he was ever even found fit to stand trial, after everything that was (“allegedly“) done to him?

  13. 13
    Pb says:

    It’s another example of why we shouldn’t capture any of these nutters. We should execute them on the spot.

    The new standard of proof: if an Afghani warlord says he’s guilty in exchange for $1,000, then execute him on the spot! Any objections?

  14. 14
    demimondian says:

    It’s another example of why we shouldn’t capture any of these nutters. We should execute them on the spot.

    I’m not taking that as a promise that you’ll go quietly when they come to execute you, right? You and yours are certainly anti-democratic nutters, who have repeatedly taken up arms to terrorize Americans — that means you think you yourself should be executed, right?

  15. 15
    Perry Como says:

    The new standard of proof: if an Afghani warlord says he’s guilty in exchange for $1,000, then execute him on the spot! Any objections?

    As if. Mac’s burden of proof is if the US government says an American citizen is guilty then he deserves a bullet in the head on the spot. Ask terrorist mastermind er dirty bomber er really, really bad guy, Jose Padilla. Trials are such pre-1215 thinking.

  16. 16
    ThymeZone says:

    Another fine post, John.

    Hicks gets nine months. Meanwhile America is sentenced to two more years of this joke government.

    There oughta be a law.

  17. 17
    jake says:

    That was a really pathetic jackalope, by the way.

    But his jackalope made me think: A guy who was a threat to the entire planet is suddenly not very dangerous at all and oops, we kept him banged up in Gitmo for five years. (Off you go, no hard feelings, don’t tell no one ’bout the noogies, kay?)

    How can the military trib. argue that anyone else facing similar charges shouldn’t also be released to his home country? In other words, what’s the difference between a kangaroo skinner turned soldier from Australia who fights for the Taliban and truck driver turned soldier from Afghanistan who fights for the Taliban?

    Hmmmm…I’m sure it will come to me in a moment.

    Up next: Exactly how fucked up is our Government?

  18. 18
    Darrell says:

    But his jackalope made me think: A guy who was a threat to the entire planet is suddenly not very dangerous at all

    Tell us how you conclude that Hicks suddenly is “not very dangerous at all”? Give us some insight as to how your thought process works.

    Oh, and similarly, do you believe OJ’s not-guilty verdict means that he wasn’t a vicious murderer?

  19. 19
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    The new standard of proof: if an Afghani warlord says he’s guilty in exchange for $1,000, then execute him on the spot! Any objections?

    Moron, we have the letters to his folks and other documentation that he was a terrorist-in-training at Al-Qaeda training camps, met with bin Laden, and was carrying out AQ acts in the Kashmir.

    How many times did you have to beat your head with a shovel to get that stupid, pb?

  20. 20
    Tax Analyst says:

    But John, don’t you know how important it is for the terrorists to know that if they try to kill us, well, we’ll abridge their Freedom of Speech later on? It’ll really cut into their book sales, too.

  21. 21
    demimondian says:

    Tell us how you conclude that Hicks suddenly is “not very dangerous at all”? Give us some insight as to how your thought process works.

    Um, D-boy? Why don’t you go back and read the post he quoted. There’s a problem you have — assuming that the members of the military tribunal genuinely seeks to protect America, which I believe to be the case, then David Hicks must not be a genuine threat to the nation. That’s the point of John’s post, and the point of my response.

    I suggest you find a different jackalope. This one doesn’t look terribly healthy.

  22. 22
    Darrell says:

    Hicks gets nine months. Meanwhile America is sentenced to two more years of this joke government.

    There oughta be a law.

    Because a terrorist caught fighting our troops in Afghanistan is worse than Bush.. that’s really the way so many on the left truly feel, so I’m glad to hear it said out loud.

  23. 23
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    I’m not taking that as a promise that you’ll go quietly when they come to execute you, right?

    Yeah, we’re the same, Hicks and me. Except my passport has no Afghanistan stamp on it, I didn’t send letters to my folks telling them that I was training with Al Qaeda to kill Jews, and I didn’t go to the Kashmir to fight the Indians on behalf of the Pakis.

    Besides that, exactly the same.

    You guys are nuts. You think that because he was charged by the Bush Administration, he must be pure as the driven snow. Tiny, tiny BDS-afflicted minds at work here.

  24. 24
    jake says:

    Tell us how you conclude that Hicks suddenly is “not very dangerous at all”? Give us some insight as to how your thought process works.

    Tsk, tsk! Are you suggesting the US would release a prisoner it knew was dangerous? Do you think the military is so stupid it would let Hicks of with a nine months sentence if it thought he was going to go out and try TO KILL US?

    Or is this another brilliant rendition of your Reading Comp Skills – Nil trick?

    I’m leaning towards the latter because I’m charitable that way.

  25. 25
    Tax Analyst says:

    …and reader’s of Balloon Juice are sentenced to put up with Darrell for an open-ended, indeterminate amount of time…we must have done something really terrible to warrant that.

  26. 26
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    Ask terrorist mastermind er dirty bomber er really, really bad guy, Jose Padilla. Trials are such pre-1215 thinking.

    Tongue-kissing terrorists again, PC? I’d think that would leave a bad taste in one’s mouth, but whatever floats your boat.

    And yes, if we had a sane policy, we’d have had the CIA execute Padilla very quietly on the spot. We didn’t try the Germans at Normandy — we killed them.

  27. 27
    Darrell says:

    Tsk, tsk! Are you suggesting the US would release a prisoner it knew was dangerous?

    Sure, they would, turning him over to a coalition partner country where the terrorist was from. Why is that so difficult for your walnut sized brain to understand?

  28. 28
    demimondian says:

    Yeah, we’re the same, Hicks and me. Except my passport has no Afghanistan stamp on it, I didn’t send letters to my folks telling them that I was training with Al Qaeda to kill Jews, and I didn’t go to the Kashmir to fight the Indians on behalf of the Pakis.

    Oh? So you say. I dn’t believe you — and, since people like you have committed mass murder in Oklahoma City, and since you unequivocally share their views, you need to be killed.

    That’s what you yourself said, eEel.

    Again, if Hicks’ was a dangerous as he appeared, then seven years is not an adequate sentence. Thus, he must not have been as dangerous as he appeared. It’s simple logic — explain what’s wrong with it, please.

  29. 29
    Andrew says:

    The flushing death spiral of logic is dragging Darrell and Mac down the toilet of reality and they’re coming apart like poorly digested Turd Blossoms of desperate fealty.

  30. 30
    Perry Como says:

    You guys are nuts. You think that because he was charged by the Bush Administration, he must be pure as the driven snow. Tiny, tiny BDS-afflicted minds at work here.

    One would think that if Hicks is one of the worst of the worst he would get a harsher sentence than 9 months. I mean, here you have this guy that is going to OMGKILLUSALLINOURSLEEP and the only thing they are giving him is 9 months and a gag order to stop bad PR? Talk about Bush Defense Syndrome…

  31. 31
    Perry Como says:

    And yes, if we had a sane policy, we’d have had the CIA execute Padilla very quietly on the spot.

    Nice, advocating the CIA assassination of US citizens on US soil. I love how “conservatives” think government is bad at everything except the administration of summary justice. The President said Padilla was a bad guy, so he must be! Two in the brain pan!

    We didn’t try the Germans at Normandy—we killed them.

    Actually we tried the Germans at Nuremberg. History, like democracy, is not something you are very familiar with.

  32. 32
    Zifnab says:

    Why is that so difficult for your walnut sized brain to understand?

    His 9 month prison sentence.

    Normally this sort of thing would bag you life without parole, but I guess he’s just not dangerous enough.

    You know who else got a longer sentence than Hicks? Scooter Libby. Course, he lied to cover up a CIA investigation, which is pretty bad too.

  33. 33
    Zifnab says:

    And yes, if we had a sane policy, we’d have had the CIA execute Padilla very quietly on the spot.

    They should fly in on black helicopters and take his guns, first.

  34. 34
    Tsulagi says:

    After he gets back home, though, I would think there would be a good chance for him to get the Australian courts to void his side of the agreement.

    Yeah, not like he could claim it was signed under duress or anything.

    Pathetic.

    More than pathetic. Our international reputation for fair play and justice, among other things, is down the shitter and flushed out to sea. That reputation had far more of an impact and was a model far, far more than the pseudo “democracy” in Iraq bestowed upon the people who greeted us as liberators.

    A couple of years ago, to help Blair domestically, we released five of the “worst of the worst” to Britain for trial. A judge looked at the files containing the evidence against them. Within 48 hours he released all five. Said there was nothing there. Damn activist judges, they look at shit like evidence rather than known truth. See, that’s why those guys at Gitmo need to stay there permanently.

    When the first plans for tribunals were drawn up, JAG officers were allowed to see the prisoner files. More than one JAG said there were only a handful of real bad guys there. The majority were there because they were slow leaving an area. One JAG said you’d be surprised how many of these guys had been shot in the ass when they were found.

    Others were there because bounties had been offered and paid to those in AF who turned in Taliban or their supporters. Seems that could be a convenient way to get rid of your personal enemies or people you owe money to. Some warlords made some good change on that deal. Everybody won. Warlords got money, and the admin got numbers to show.

    So what do we have to show for five years of Gitmo? Our reputation shot, our Constitution alternatively interrogated, and one Australian getting nine months and told not to make any money from appearing on the teevee. And don’t talk bad about us.

    A tall, skinny Arab whackjob fundamentalist on dialysis and his group tags us hard. Response from our Deciderator and the grownups in charge? Chase them for a little bit, then focus on what has given the retardocons wood in their Depends for years: Iraq. Meanwhile, the tall guy and his group, when they’re not busy going ass up five times a day praying for Allah to keep George II safe, build Talibanistan in a bit of Pakistan ceded to them. A new base for The Base.

    Vote Republican for national security? Only for those who’ve gone in for the two-lobe or more lobotomy. One lobe just isn’t enough.

  35. 35
    chopper says:

    Moron, we have the letters to his folks and other documentation that he was a terrorist-in-training at Al-Qaeda training camps, met with bin Laden, and was carrying out AQ acts in the Kashmir.

    and were by all accounts incredibly exaggerated. that’s not to say he didn’t train at camps, but his letters made it out like he met bin laden all these times etc, when he didn’t, meeting the dude at most once.

    as it stands, while training at an AQ camp makes you a dangerous person, it doesn’t make you the greatest threat evar(tm). this administration seems to exaggerate the danger of some of these dudes even more than they themselves do.

  36. 36
    chopper says:

    Because a terrorist caught fighting our troops in Afghanistan is worse than Bush..

    tell me, darrell, exactly where was he caught fighting our troops? all the government has said is that he trained there.

    you have some intel we don’t know about?

  37. 37
    cd6 says:

    This is the greatest most serious battle of civilizations ever

    We must do all we can to capture all the deadly islamofacists…

    And then throw them in jail…

    For nine months…

    Makes sense to me! Liberals who question this process are traitorist moonbats who should be hung just like Lincoln wanted. This means you, Rosie ODonnell.

  38. 38
    Ted says:

    Darrell’s shrieking reminds me of a female house cat in heat, screaming out the window.

  39. 39
    Perry Como says:

    as it stands, while training at an AQ camp makes you a dangerous person, it doesn’t make you the greatest threat evar™. this administration seems to exaggerate the danger of some of these dudes even more than they themselves do.

    Terrorism: almost as bad as tax evasion.

  40. 40
    demimondian says:

    Terrorism: almost as bad as tax evasion.

    No, it’s just evidence of the new ocus of the USA’s on white collar crime.

  41. 41
    Perry Como says:

    No, it’s just evidence of the new ocus of the USA’s on white collar crime.

    I wonder if Kerik is going to get lemon chicken with two types of fruit?

  42. 42
    jake says:

    Sure, they would, turning him over to a coalition partner country where the terrorist was from.

    The problem with the Reading Skills – Nil trick is it is too damn easy and makes the person doing it look really fucking stupid.

    Let’s see if we can get him to do another trick:

    Darrell, based on the charges, do you think nine months was an adequate sentence for Hicks?

  43. 43
    Perry Como says:

    Darrell, based on the charges, do you think nine months was an adequate sentence for Hicks?

    Of course not. But with the addition of the 12 month gag order it is a perfect sentence for the Most Dangerous Person Evah.

  44. 44
    RSA says:

    There’s a problem you have—assuming that the members of the military tribunal genuinely seeks to protect America, which I believe to be the case, then David Hicks must not be a genuine threat to the nation.

    Do Darrell and EEL think that the members of the military panel as well as the judge are traitors? They’re the ones who made the final decision. Why does the U.S. military hate America?

  45. 45
    Eural says:

    I think you guys are really missing the point here.

    See, Bush is not going to repeat the behavior of Clinton.

    Under Clinton, terrorists received legally binding, life sentences in prisons (see the WTC bombers from ’93).

    Under Bush…not so much.

  46. 46
    Darrell, D'Souza, Delay and Strauss says:

    and were by all accounts incredibly exaggerated. that’s not to say he didn’t train at camps, but his letters made it out like he met bin laden all these times etc, when he didn’t, meeting the dude at most once.

    Look, none of that matters. Just like our Lodi terrorist. It didn’t matter he was obviously exaggerating and making shit up, or that that FBI informant insisted Al-Zawhiri himself was traipsing around the California central valley in the 90s…

    What matters is the truth, and you just don’t get what that means.

  47. 47
    craigie says:

    What matters is the truth,

    Did you just become a liberal?

  48. 48
    Mike S says:

    Darrell,

    I think that you should give this guy a call. He was able to break free of the moonies so maybe he can help you out as well.

    Hassan has 30 years of frontline activism exposing destructive cults, providing counseling and training, and appearing in major media including 60 Minutes, Nightline, Dateline, Larry King Live, and The O’Reilly Factor.

    Even Billy likes him.

  49. 49
    Perry Como says:

    Did you just become a liberal?

    Did he make babies with a terrorist yet?

  50. 50

    AUSTIN, Tex., March 29 — In 1999, Matthew Dowd became a symbol of George W. Bush’s early success at positioning himself as a Republican with Democratic appeal.

    A top strategist for the Texas Democrats who was disappointed by the Bill Clinton years, Mr. Dowd was impressed by the pledge of Mr. Bush, then governor of Texas, to bring a spirit of cooperation to Washington. He switched parties, joined Mr. Bush’s political brain trust and dedicated the next six years to getting him to the Oval Office and keeping him there. In 2004, he was appointed the president’s chief campaign strategist.

    Looking back, Mr. Dowd now says his faith in Mr. Bush was misplaced.

    tt

    It’s a moving story about how George Bush has disallusioned those who thought he was a competent leader ready to united the country.

    Now that his boy is in danger of having his ass shot off in Iraq, well the great leader isn’t quite so inspiring.

    Well two words for you Mr. Dowd and the dumbasses just now coming to the same conclusion.

    Tough titty.

  51. 51
    PeterJ says:

    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop Uttered:

    We didn’t try the Germans at Normandy—we killed them.

    Right. Allied troups captured German soldiers at Normandy. Then like all other POWs they were executed.

    Are you FUCKING INSANE?

    Or did you watch too much Bill O’Reilly?

    Which I guess sooner or later that would make you FUCKING INSANE too…

  52. 52
    Darrell, D'Souza, Delay and Strauss says:

    Looking back, Mr. Dowd now says his faith in Mr. Bush was misplaced.

    Gee, after 6 years in the brain trust he figures that out?

    No, these people who knew exactly who GW was, and they clung to him as long as it helped them. Now that the road has gotten tough, these weaklings change their minds.

  53. 53
    Evilbeard says:

    You guys are nuts. You think that because he was charged by the Bush Administration, he must be pure as the driven snow. Tiny, tiny BDS-afflicted minds at work here.

    Actually what people are thinking here is that we’re worried about people like you who think that because he was charged by the Bush administration, he must be as dirty as the yellow snow.

    Oh and not to mention they should be executed “on the spot.” That’s a tad worrisome as well.

  54. 54
    RSA says:

    Oh and not to mention they should be executed “on the spot.” That’s a tad worrisome as well.

    Some people who hold these views think we should be dropping nuclear bombs on Iran right now. At least they’re consistent nutcases.

  55. 55
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    as it stands, while training at an AQ camp makes you a dangerous person, it doesn’t make you the greatest threat evar™.

    Who cares about that? All that matters is that being such a degenerate, murderous, Islamofascist waste of carbon should make you eligible for the Two Bullets In The Brainpan Special®.

  56. 56
    Perry Como says:

    All that matters is that being such a degenerate, murderous, Islamofascist waste of carbon should make you eligible for the Two Bullets In The Brainpan Special®.

    And we should Trust in Bush that the determination made about the Islamonazifascistcommieevildoers is the correct one, because they have such of stellar track record of getting things right. Summary execution of American citizens on American soil. Meet the new and improved modern conservative.

  57. 57
    Darrell, D'Souza, Delay and Strauss says:

    Who cares about that? All that matters is that being such a degenerate, murderous, Islamofascist waste of carbon should make you eligible for the Two Bullets In The Brainpan Special®.

    Why weren’t you saying that before 9/11 then?

  58. 58
    Perry Como says:

    In a related story, an America hater has decided not to prosecute a terrorist because of some fraternity pranks:

    But, nine months later, in what he calls the toughest decision of his military career, Col. Couch refused to proceed with the Slahi prosecution. The reason: He concluded that Mr. Slahi’s incriminating statements – the core of the government’s case – had been taken through torture, rendering them inadmissible under U.S. and international law.

    Why does Col. Couch hate America?

    In the following weeks, Mr. Slahi said, he was placed in isolation, subjected to extreme temperatures, beaten and sexually humiliated. The detention-board transcript states that at this point, “the recording equipment began to malfunction.” It summarizes Mr. Slahi’s missing testimony as discussing “how he was tortured while here at GTMO by several individuals.”

    No mention of lemon chicken[0] or Harry Potter.

    [0] – With two types of fruit!

  59. 59
    jake says:

    Of course not. But with the addition of the 12 month gag order it is a perfect sentence for the Most Dangerous Person Evah.

    You forgot the worstest of all:

    to forever waive any profit from telling his story

    Oh noes!! An’ he had a book title picked out an’ everythin’! Why, compared to life in a supermax facility it’s almost inhuman!

    Aside from the nine months in jail (maybe) this shit sounds like the sort of penalties handed down in a civil case. And still I must wonder, what happens if an Australian Court says Fuck You to the whole thing?

  60. 60
    Perry Como says:

    And still I must wonder, what happens if an Australian Court says Fuck You to the whole thing?

    They will. The whole idea of the military tribunals violates Australian law. Just chalk it up as another victory for the Deciderator.

  61. 61

    I wish you wingnutters understood the term Prisoner of War, and the Geneva Conventions.

    Instead you are bound and determined to give the moral highroad to our enemies by behaving like a bunch of Nazis.

    So fuck you.

  62. 62
    Perry Como says:

    Instead you are bound and determined to give the moral highroad to our enemies by behaving like a bunch of Nazis.

    In all fairness, I’m not sure that Nazis used waterboarding. The Khmer Rouge on the other hand…

  63. 63
    grumpy realist says:

    Actually, looking at this case we’re not even up to treating him as a lobster-catcher:

    http://nationaljournal.com/rauch.htm

  64. 64
    ThymeZone says:

    Because a terrorist caught fighting our troops in Afghanistan is worse than Bush.. that’s really the way so many on the left truly feel

    Yeah, because it’s true, you bottomless pit of intellectual vapidity.

    Bush has done far more damage to this country than that sorry asshat will ever do. If you don’t get that, you are stupider than even you try to appear here. You’re into spoof material.

    Bush v. Hicks? Not even close. Hicks won’t even be a footnote on the history of this period. Bush, on the other hand, has established himself as the biggest fuckup in the history of the country. Nothing will ever top that potatohead motherfucker. Our grandkids will still be cleaning up the piles of shit he left behind.

  65. 65
    chopper says:

    Terrorism: almost as bad as tax evasion.

    the word you’re looking for is ‘avoision’.

  66. 66
    Tax Analyst says:

    “Bush v. Hicks? Not even close. Hicks won’t even be a footnote on the history of this period. Bush, on the other hand, has established himself as the biggest fuckup in the history of the country. Nothing will ever top that potatohead motherfucker. Our grandkids will still be cleaning up the piles of shit he left behind”

    TZ – nicely put.

    Maybe someday I’ll figure out how to put those things into one of those little gray-background boxes instead of quotes, but not today.

  67. 67
    Darrell says:

    Tax Analyst Says:

    “Bush v. Hicks? Not even close. Hicks won’t even be a footnote on the history of this period. Bush, on the other hand, has established himself as the biggest fuckup in the history of the country. Nothing will ever top that potatohead motherfucker. Our grandkids will still be cleaning up the piles of shit he left behind”

    TZ – nicely put.

    Ok, so you think Bush is worse than Al Queda trained terrorist Hicks.

    How about Khalid Shaikh Mohammed? Is Bush worse than him too?

  68. 68
    Pb says:

    Ok, so you think Bush is worse than Al Queda trained terrorist Hicks.

    How about Khalid Shaikh Mohammed? Is Bush worse than him too?

    I’d like to see an honest assessment of the damage, comparing the two–my guess: just in Bush’s two terms, he’s done more to advance al-Qaeda’s goals than Khalid Shaikh Mohammed ever will.

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    ThymeZone says:

    Ok, so you think Bush is worse than Al Queda trained terrorist Hicks.

    Why can’t you do anything but repeat yourself all the fucking time? We’ve only had this conversation about six times now.

    Yes, you insatiable seeker of moronitude, he’s worse. Asked and answered, several times.

    What part of the answer don’t you get, or would you like to refute? Do you want to suggest that the relentless incompetance and corruption of a stupid, alcolholic lying president is not more dangerous to this country than the actions of some insane raghead locked in a jail?

    Go ahead, make that case, you pustule of intellect.

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    Rome Again says:

    my guess: just in Bush’s two terms, he’s done more to advance al-Qaeda’s goals than Khalid Shaikh Mohammed ever will.

    Yup!

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    jake says:

    They will. The whole idea of the military tribunals violates Australian law.

    OK. I get it now. Bush has gone where no president has gone before. Thanks to his hard work we are no longer the United States of America, we have become the United Spoofs of America.

    Top that Clinton!

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    Darrell, D'Souza, Delay and Strauss says:

    How about Khalid Shaikh Mohammed? Is Bush worse than him too?

    Wow, you can’t defend the goalpost, so you move it.

    Perhaps 5% of the American public knows who KSM really is, and the rest of your ilk has already forgotten about Osama or holding him accountable.

    Bush is worse because he gave KSM and Osama exactly what they wanted. Only Bush could do that. A generationally destabalized ME and an ‘existential’ ‘war’ that is as ‘winnable’ as the ‘War on Drugs’.

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    In all fairness, I’m not sure that Nazis used waterboarding. The Khmer Rouge on the other hand…

    Good point, however the Japanese did it.

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    Rome Again says:

    Bush is worse because he gave KSM and Osama exactly what they wanted. Only Bush could do that. A generationally destabalized ME and an ‘existential’ ‘war’ that is as ‘winnable’ as the ‘War on Drugs’.

    Boy, I know I couldn’t have said that better.

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    chopper says:

    Ok, so you think Bush is worse than Al Queda trained terrorist Hicks.

    i wouldn’t compare the two, as they are two completely different situations. apples and oranges as it were.

    however, i will note how many dead bodies each of the two are responsible for.

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    ThymeZone says:

    i will note how many dead bodies each of the two are responsible for.

    Okay, how many dead bodies is Hicks responsible for?

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    chopper says:

    Okay, how many dead bodies is Hicks responsible for?

    far as i know, none at all.

    now, as for the first person i mentioned, the fact that there’s still a debate as to whether or not the number is more than one hundred thousand makes you think.

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    demimondian says:

    the fact that there’s still a debate as to whether or not the number is more than one hundred thousand makes you think

    Actually, according to the British Ministry of Defense is actually more worried about whether the number is greater than 655,000.

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    demimondian says:

    That should read:

    according to _the BBC,_ the British Ministry of Defense

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    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    And we should Trust in Bush that the determination made about the Islamonazifascistcommieevildoers is the correct one, because they have such of stellar track record of getting things right.

    Your BDS is showing. Yeah, like George W. Bush is gathering the intel on these guys and deciding what threat level each one is. No, we leave that to the FBI, CIA (you know, heroes like Valerie!), and the military, as we have done for some time. Every war, we trust the military to kill the bad guys and generally leave the good guys alone. Now you geniuses think that trial lawyers should do it? Thank God no one listens to you.

    Summary execution of American citizens on American soil. Meet the new and improved modern conservative.

    Traitors like Padilla give up all claims to their American citizenship when they join the enemy and volunteer to kill Americans. That’s only common sense.

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    Pb says:
    the fact that there’s still a debate as to whether or not the number is more than one hundred thousand makes you think

    Actually, according to the British Ministry of Defense is actually more worried about whether the number is greater than 655,000

    Well, given that, I’m sure it’s over 500,000 by now–because although that estimate had a somewhat large confidence interval, remember that it’s also already 9 months old.

    But either way, it’s still at least six digits–the only question is, when will it break seven digits, if it hasn’t already?

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    Debbie (aussie) says:

    Some of you may be interested in the fact that we have an election coming up later this year. So the 12 month gag order will help little Johnnie Howard(PM), one of Bushes best buds. Hicks has become a rather import issue here in Aus, because of the perceived(?) unfairness of the military commissions.
    I certainly hope that the Australian courts will have the opportunity and the courage to throw the whole lot out. The poor guy would have signed anything just to come home. The part about signing a statement saying he was not abused sort of proves, in my mind(not that I doubted it), that he was abused. But hey, he can’t sue now? Maybe he can appear before congress. Do they have any intentions of asking other former detainees to appear?

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    tBone says:

    Traitors like Padilla give up all claims to their American citizenship when they join the enemy and volunteer to kill Americans. That’s only common sense.

    Summary execution of American citizens on American soil – It’s Just Common Sense™.

    I used to believe Mac was:
    a fairly intelligent person
    horribly misguided

    I’ve replaced one of those beliefs with a new one:
    batshit Britney-on-a-30-day-Red-Bull-and-crystal-meth-diet crazy

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    Tulkinghorn says:

    And yes, if we had a sane policy, we’d have had the CIA execute Padilla very quietly on the spot. We didn’t try the Germans at Normandy—we killed them.

    This is a pretty serious slander against America and its soldiers – how cute of you to insult the honor of our 85 year old vets. If you had said that in a bar in 1950 you would have gotten your posterior handed to you.

    My wife’s grandfather fought at Normandy for the Germans. When his tank was trapped he and his mates hopped out and let the Yanks blow it up, largely because they knew they would get decent treatment from the American soldiers – certainly better than if they had fought, prevailed, and gone back to the German forces. They spent the remainder of the war in Arizona, and the Americans helped him to locate the remainder of his family after the war

    Result: a lot of Germans who thought very highly of America, or at least who did before the current administration brought back a lot of unpleasant memories. Now the Germans are the good guys, and the Americans stand to a comparison with the NAZIs — Thanks, EEEL!

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    jake says:

    Some of you may be interested in the fact that we have an election coming up later this year. So the 12 month gag order will help little Johnnie Howard(PM), one of Bushes best buds.

    Do you think people will simply be relieved Hicks is back home or do you think the gag order will keep the topic “hot”? From what litle I’ve heard Howard’s looking at a difficult election. Everything I’ve heard about the man suggests he’s a Class A Tool.

    I also wonder if the US is seen as the villain of the piece (which is fair) or does Howard look dirty too?

    I think our Admin. made yet another gross miscalculation: Hicks can’t talk about it so people won’t think about it, mission accomplished! Of course, people don’t work that way and now more people are wondering what the hell happened to the guy and getting a bit horripilated.

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    Tulkinghorn says:

    And the Australian courts will enforce the gag order? How about the German, British, or Canadian Courts? New Zealand? India, or for that matter Pakistan, India or Bangladesh?

    And then the American press won’t feel obliged to publish the controversy (wait, don’t answer that).

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    Traitors like Padilla give up all claims to their American citizenship when they join the enemy and volunteer to kill Americans. That’s only common sense.

    Can you point to where it says this in the Constitution?

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    AG da AG says:

    Can you point to where it says this in the Constitution?

    Follow the Constitution? What a quaint idea.

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    RSA says:

    Traitors like Padilla give up all claims to their American citizenship when they join the enemy and volunteer to kill Americans. That’s only common sense.

    Patriots who believe we’re in “a battle for the future of civilization” give up all claims to their credibility if they don’t join the military to serve. That’s only common sense.

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    chopper says:

    Traitors like Padilla give up all claims to their American citizenship when they join the enemy and volunteer to kill Americans. That’s only common sense.

    but you have to prove it first.

    that’s the rub; this whole idea of taking away people’s citizenship is kinda stupid. as long as they’re a citizen, they deserve a trial. if you think they lose their citizenship, you have to prove that they did something to deserve such, which means a trial anyways.

    to me, what’s really repugnant is the idea that the executive (or EEEL) deserves the ability to remove people’s citizenship willy-nilly.

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    Perry Como says:

    Traitors like Padilla give up all claims to their American citizenship when they join the enemy and volunteer to kill Americans. That’s only common sense.

    Hippiecommietraitor Justice Scalia disagrees:

    “The very core of liberty secured by our Anglo-Saxon system of separated powers has been freedom from indefinite imprisonment at the will of the Executive.”

    You don’t want a President, Mac. You want a king.

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    ThymeZone says:

    far as i know, none at all.

    Just checking! I couldn’t find any evidence that his actions caused any actual injury, either.

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    ThymeZone says:

    You don’t want a President, Mac. You want a spoof king.

    Tweaked.

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    Perry Como says:
    You don’t want a President, Mac. You want a spoof king.

    Tweaked.

    We’re just stuck in a pre-1215 mindset.

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    jake says:

    Patriots who believe we’re in “a battle for the future of civilization” give up all claims to their credibility if they don’t join the military to serve.

    Bu-but the 101st Keyboardists are guarding the Intertubes from the unwashed, blood thirsty islamoabortohomopornofascists! Known truth: If it weren’t for the staunch efforts of these brave Cheeto chomping patriots the internons would be nothing but text from the Koran. Think about that next time you’re visiting HotGirlsinJello.com, ingrates!

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    You don’t want a President, Mac. You want a king.

    Emperor Bush disagrees.

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    This should brighten your day.

    Snoop Dog says fuck Bill O’Reilley:

    fu2

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    mrmobi says:

    Summary execution of American citizens on American soil. Meet the new and improved modern conservative.

    Sounds about right to me.

    Traitors like Padilla give up all claims to their American citizenship when they join the enemy and volunteer to kill Americans. That’s only common sense.

    Ok, based on this statement, deep thinkers “Two-in-the-brainpan” Lambchop and John Yoo are drafting some new “guidlines” for the “final solution” to the “terrorist” problem.

    1. Black or brown = suspected criminal

    2. Muslim = summary execution

    3. American Muslim = torture, then execution

    4. Muslim Children = future terrorists (can be tortured if parents are present)

    5. Gay = torture or summary execution

    6. Due process = quaint (God is with our side)

    7. Thou shalt not kill = see #6

    8. Privacy = What-a-cy?

    9. Government = protect the rich

    10. Loyalty = you are with us or you are Al Qaeda

    11. Freedom = Slavery

    These are general guidelines only. As a rule of thumb, if someone is accused, they are guilty. If you need clarification of any terms, see the first edition of the Newspeak dictionary, all other dictionaries are to be confiscated and destroyed.

    Regarding #5, it will become more difficult to locate gays once these guidelines are in force, but judicious use of torture should reveal the gays who go underground. Many have adoptive children, so #4 can be applied where necessary.

    Regarding #4, we must try not too be too sensitive on this issue, it has been proven that torturing children in front of their parents has yielded important information which has resulted in (redacted) arrests, detentions, and (redacted) executions.

    Regarding #2, eventually, when someone refuses the loyalty oath to the supreme commander, this will qualify them for summary execution. That’s only common sense.

    “Two-in-the-brainpan” Lambchop, becoming the best National Socialist he can be!

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    Perry Como says:

    Looks like the Republicans have a timetable for Iraq:

    MITCHELL: The Republicans were against the surge but they felt it was fait accompli, and that they were willing to give Petraeus until August. He told them there will be real progress by August. They have told him at a caucus meeting as very, very recently, that if there isn’t progress by August — and real progress means not a day of violence and a day of sanity — that they will pull the plug.

    The 28%ers must be frothing.

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    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    1. Black or brown = suspected criminal

    I get it now. You’re retarded. That explains a lot.

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    demimondian says:
    1. Black or brown = suspected criminal

    I get it now. You’re _retarded_. That explains a lot.

    You said it, no one else.

    But I’m sure that you and yours would be glad to throw people with cognitive impairment into Happy Camps next to the non-whites, too. After all, hard work makes one free, right, eEel?

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    mrmobi says:

    I get it now. You’re retarded. That explains a lot.

    You don’t surprise, Brainpan. All you’ve got is demeaning terms for the mentally challenged, bloodlust, and a surprising lack of belief in our system of government.

    I admit though, that the first item was more inspired by Nick Kasoff and his vile Thug Report. I was guessing you wouldn’t be too uncomfortable with bypassing due process for black or brown people, since you are so ready to give it up for whomever the Sociopath-in-Chief deems a terrorist. It must be terrible to live in such fear.

    I’m sure you and your party will keep working at convincing America that we must abandon the rule of law. As your favorite camp slogan says, “Arbeit Macht Frei.”

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    chopper says:

    1. Black or brown = suspected criminal

    I get it now. You’re retarded. That explains a lot

    black or brown people are retarded? shit, EEEL, that’s harsh.

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