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A POLL:

Which administration official will be the next to experience memory loss in front of a Senate Committee?






84 replies
  1. 1
    Dug Jay says:

    John Podesta, Webster Hubbell, Sid Blumenthal, and Sandy Burger….just a few that quickly came to mind….the actual count would run in the many dozens.

  2. 2
    Dungheap says:

    So many choices. Just for giggles, I’ll go with Julie McDonald from the Fish and Wildlife Service.

  3. 3
    demimondian says:

    I don’t know, but, John, it sure looks like you got out of the Republican party just in time. Man, they’ve got some kind of amnestic plague going round there, don’t they?

  4. 4
    Mr Furious says:

    Whichever one is on deck.

  5. 5
    The Other Steve says:

    Which administration official will be the next to experience memory loss in front of a Senate Committee?

    I can’t possibly speculate on what you mean by “memory loss”.

  6. 6
    Perry Como says:

    Man, they’ve got some kind of amnestic plague going round there, don’t they?

    It’s probably an al Qaeda plot to use chemical weapons and turn the Glorious Republicans into Clintonistas.

  7. 7
    Third Eye Open says:

    “I do not recall ever being told anything, by anyone, in fact…who are you?”

  8. 8
    Otto Man says:

    Whichever one is on deck.

    Agreed. The White House is starting to look like an Alzheimer’s ward.

  9. 9
    mrmobi says:

    Good one, Dungheap, from the TPM Muckracker:

    …And at the center of it is one Julie A. MacDonald, appointed by Bush to be the deputy assistant secretary for fish and wildlife and parks at the Interior Department. The very ugly details of her malfeasance have been exposed by an inspector general report. (Update: MacDonald, by the way, has a degree is in civil engineering and has no formal educational background in natural sciences.)

    Ms. MacDonald, whose job is to oversee policy decisions on endangered species and other wildlife, sent internal agency documents to industry lobbyists (e.g. she twice sent “internal Environmental Protection Agency documents — one involving water quality management — to individuals whose e-mail addresses ended in ‘chevrontexaco.com,”) and generally ran roughshod over agency scientists.

    Some examples of her (MacDonald’s) scientific method:

    MacDonald tangled with field personnel over designating habitat for the endangered Southwestern willow flycatcher, a bird whose range is from Arizona to New Mexico and Southern California. When scientists wrote that the bird had a “nesting range” of 2.1 miles, MacDonald told field personnel to change the number to 1.8 miles. Hall, a wildlife biologist who told the IG he had had a “running battle” with MacDonald, said she did not want the range to extend to California because her husband had a family ranch there.

    And:

    Ms. MacDonald lobbied for a decision to combine three different populations of the California tiger salamander into one, thus excluding it from the endangered-species list, and making the decision legally vulnerable. A federal district judge overturned it in 2005., saying the decision was made “without even a semblance of agency reasoning.”

    The Interior Department’s Inspector General has referred the case to Interior’s top officials for “potential administrative action.” We’ll see if she gets a scolding or a pat on the head.

    I vote for a Presidential Medal of Freedom!

    She is fighting the good fight for human beings against the demislamunofascist animals. We don’t need wildlife. They take a lot of space and shit everywhere. And they have funny names.

    McDonald is a civil engineer, maybe she could build a big pen and put all the wild animals in it. It would be so much neater.

  10. 10
    Devil's Advocate says:

    I would post an answer to your question, but, to best of my recollection, I can’remember what you mean by memory loss.

  11. 11
    John S. says:

    John Podesta, Webster Hubbell, Sid Blumenthal, and Sandy Burger….just a few that quickly came to mind….the actual count would run in the many dozens.

    All your goverment belongs to teh Clenis!

  12. 12
    John S. says:

    Which prompts the question…

    Do conservatives really hate Hillary because they are afraid of the Clagina?

  13. 13
    mrmobi says:

    Do conservatives really hate Hillary because they are afraid of the Clagina?

    Thanks so much, John S., I hadn’t really ever thought of that. Now I have to go wash my brain.

  14. 14
    Zifnab says:

    At least Clinton was able to remember the definition of “is”.

  15. 15
    Punchy says:

    maybe she could build a big pen and put all the wild animals in it.

    Describing Gitmo, eh?

  16. 16
    Moll Slanders says:

    The Interior Department’s Inspector General has referred the case to Interior’s top officials for “potential administrative action.” We’ll see if she gets a scolding or a pat on the head.

    Dayum! She’s just an ideological hack.

  17. 17
    Rome Again says:

    We don’t need wildlife.

    Hush your mouth.

  18. 18
    mrmobi says:

    Dayum! She’s just an ideological hack.

    No, she isn’t. She’s just trying to help our divinely-inspired supreme leader keep his “base” happy. We can’t have very rich people being forced to make adjustments in their beautiful lifestyles for “animals,” now, can we?

    Pay now attention to those massive Bee die-offs, there’s nothing there, move along now.

  19. 19
    mrmobi says:

    That should be “Pay no attention…”
    MUST. GET. MORE. COFFEE.

  20. 20
    Rome Again says:

    No, she isn’t. She’s just trying to help our divinely-inspired supreme leader keep his “base” happy. We can’t have very rich people being forced to make adjustments in their beautiful lifestyles for “animals,” now, can we?

    We most certainly can. In fact, I think it is high time we cut into the lifestyles of humans to make way for the animals who are being squeezed out of their natural territory.

    By they way, we’re ALL animals, only some are more dignified than others.

  21. 21
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    Oh, God, this blog has truly lept over the entire tank on water skis if it is resorting to the old, “They sure say they don’t remember a lot” barbs. You guys sound like Cletus the Slackjawed Yokel, amazed at the indoor outhouse. It was dumb ten years ago, and it’s even dumber now.

    * ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMER’S

    Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn’t remember, didn’t know, or something similar.

    Bill Kennedy 116
    Harold Ickes 148
    Ricki Seidman 160
    Bruce Lindsey 161
    Bill Burton 191
    Mark Gearan 221
    Mack McLarty 233
    Neil Egglseston 250
    Hillary Clinton 250
    John Podesta 264
    Jennifer O’Connor 343
    Dwight Holton 348
    Patsy Thomasson 420
    Jeff Eller 697

    * FROM THE WASHINGTON TIMES: In the portions of President Clinton’s Jan. 17 deposition that have been made public in the Paula Jones case, his memory failed him 267 times. This is a list of his answers and how many times he gave each one.

    I don’t remember – 71
    I don’t know – 62
    I’m not sure – 17
    I have no idea – 10
    I don’t believe so – 9
    etc. etc. etc.

    “What is your recollection of any conversation you had with Ms. Maria Hsia at that event?” Gore was asked.

    “I have none,” the vice president said.

    “Do you recall being seated at her table?”

    “No, I don’t,” Gore said, “but I would have been glad to see her and would have said, ‘Hello, how are you?’ But I don’t have any specific recollection of it.”

    In fact, as photos show, Hsia, who was recently convicted of illegally raising $25,000 for the Democratic National Committee at the breakfast, was seated right next to Gore. To his left was another since-admitted fundraising felon, Pauline Kanchanalak. Directly opposite the vice president at the breakfast table was a third future felon, Charlie Trie.

    “That was not the only topic on which Gore’s memory failed him,” Lardner says, going on to quote the RNC’s Clifford May, who turns out to be one of Gore’s critics. “Gore claimed he couldn’t remember more than 80 times,” May laments. “I don’t think anyone believes that Al Gore has that faulty a memory.”

    In a New York Times Sunday Magazine cover story written by Michael Lewis, White House deputy chief of staff Harold Ickes cautioned that government investigators “are no longer trying to get at the truth. They are just trying to get you on perjury.”

    This comment, which appeared the same month that Senate staffers interrogated Interior officials about the Hudson deal, might explain a new form of testimony: “To the best of my memory . . . I can’t recall . . . my recollection is . . .”

    If documents or eyewitnesses surface later that contradict your sworn statement, you simply say, “Ah, yes, now I remember. But my best recollection, when you first inquired, was that I had no memory.”

    If an interrogator, or a citizen, has the impudence to look askance at your apparent dementia, you have only to remind him that he could not possibly grasp how important you once were, how busy your days . . .

    The consequence of this willful forgetfulness is the same as shredding evidence. And no question is ever clearly resolved.

  22. 22
    mrmobi says:

    By they way, we’re ALL animals, only some are more dignified than others.

    Amen.

    By the way, my personal favorite of the Bushies letting ideology trump everything is the 22-year old (If I remember correctly) that they sent over to Iraq to set up the Stock Market. No experience, no degree in economics, but loyal as shit. The Iraqis must have a very high opinion of us by now, don’t you think?

    You cannot make this kind of stupidity up.

  23. 23
    Jake says:

    Do conservatives really hate Hillary because they are afraid of the Clagina?

    Been watching South Park, have we?

    Eeel, citing the Washington Slimes is a common way to blow your Spoof-cover. Don’t let it happen again.

    Now, what was the question?

  24. 24
    Perry Como says:

    Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn’t remember, didn’t know, or something similar.

    So Mac, you agree the entire “executive privilege” claim is a red herring? And when Rove is called to testify you’ll say the Congress is well within its rights?

  25. 25
    mrmobi says:

    The consequence of this willful forgetfulness is the same as shredding evidence. And no question is ever clearly resolved.

    Wow. Two-in-the-brainpan Lambchop, I actually agree with you.
    Now, back to the current bunch of criminal fuck-ups. I understand that Bush has moved on from his goal of ensuring his legacy to surviving office without being prosecuted and starting WWIII.

    He’s well on his way, given the attack of Alzheimers’ disease which has decimated his administration. Now, of course, the Brits have provided him with an excuse to “liberate” Iran.

    You are in for some fun, Brainpan!

  26. 26
    Punchy says:

    Listen to this new immigration plizzy from our Bush Xenophobes:

    Under the plan, undocumented workers could apply for three-year work visas, which the plan dubs “Z” visas. They would be renewable indefinitely but renewal would cost $3,500 each time.

    The undocumented workers would have legal status with the visas, but to get a green card, making them legal permanent residents, they would have to return to their home country, apply at a U.S. embassy or consulate to re-enter legally and pay a $10,000 fine.

    Becuase SOOOOO many illegal immies have $10K in scratch just sitting in a shoebox, and the additional 35 gunge to part with every 3 years or so. Cuz those lettuce pickers, ya know, are prolly making 60-70 large. Right?

    Seriously, why not just go full-on-dick at this point and make them, in addition to the payola, marry their sister, eat a raw fetus, kill their family pet, and THEN blowjobs for all U.S. Consulate employees. After all that…Welcome to America, Senor!

  27. 27
    Perry Como says:

    Becuase SOOOOO many illegal immies have $10K in scratch just sitting in a shoebox, and the additional 35 gunge to part with every 3 years or so. Cuz those lettuce pickers, ya know, are prolly making 60-70 large. Right?

    We should just shove them into forced labor camps.

  28. 28
    Paul Wartenberg says:

    Has anyone subponeaed the janitors yet?

  29. 29
    Rome Again says:

    You cannot make this kind of stupidity up.

    You are correct mrmobi.

  30. 30
    Punchy says:

    Holy crap:

    The head of a California company hired by the U.S. government to help build a fence along the Southwest border to curb the flow of illegal aliens into the United States has been sentenced on charges of hiring illegals for the job

    Cant find exact link yet….but…not surprised, really

  31. 31
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    He’s well on his way, given the attack of Alzheimers’ disease which has decimated his administration.

    Sigh. Cletuses abound at BJ.

  32. 32
    mrmobi says:

    Got a question.

    Why haven’t the Iranians haven’t declared the hostage Brits “enemy combatants?”

    I mean, once they do that, can’t they imprison them indefinitely, and use “harsh” interrogation techniques on them “legally?” I mean, if water-boarding isn’t torture, isn’t it within their rights to use it to extract information?

    Someone should get John Yoos’ take on this. I’m sure he’d have an explanation why it would be wrong for the Iranians to mistreat British hostages.

    Just sayin…

  33. 33
    mrmobi says:

    I’m sorry. I just learned that John Yoo says it’s ok to crush a babies testicles in front of its’ parents to elicit a confession. Or rather, “it’s the Presidents’ call.”
    The law can be harsh, can’t it?

  34. 34
    The Other Steve says:

    Oh, God, this blog has truly lept over the entire tank on water skis if it is resorting to the old, “They sure say they don’t remember a lot” barbs. You guys sound like Cletus the Slackjawed Yokel, amazed at the indoor outhouse. It was dumb ten years ago, and it’s even dumber now.

    Dude, why do you think this stuff is ok just because Clinton did it?

  35. 35
    Perry Como says:

    Has anyone subponeaed the janitors yet?

    That would be shrill.

  36. 36
    Jake says:

    The law can be harsh, can’t it?

    Unless you promise not to talk about what the law did to you.

    Is it me or is this a rather…unusual plea arrangement? And by unusual I mean, how the flaming fuck does one go From: A danger to the entire planet and all the fishes in the deep blue sea and too dangerous to let go because you want to kill us; To: we’ll lock you up for seven years (maybe) if you promise to keep quiet about how we treated you?

  37. 37
    Rome Again says:

    What I want to know is who is the next person Bush isn’t going to strongly defend.

  38. 38
    numbskull says:

    I don’t care how many times someone answers with “I don’t know” or “I can’t remember.”

    I do care what PERCENTAGE of the time they answer this way for separate questions. And I do care about answers to weighty questions. Recall that Newt’s asshats had Clinton’s people testifying over what turned out to be made-up stories or bullshit minutae. I would suspect that someone who answers “I don’t know” or “I can’t remember” to questions about fairy tales or how many angels can fit on the head of pin are actually telling the truth.

  39. 39
    Perry Como says:

    Dude, why do you think this stuff is ok just because Clinton did it?

    If someone is critical of Bush that means they must have loved Clinton, moonbat. That you can’t see that fact shows just how extreme you really are.

  40. 40
    Tsulagi says:

    Dude, why do you think this stuff is ok just because Clinton did it?

    It’s CPE, Clinton Penis Envy. They’ve always felt the yoke of inadequacy .

  41. 41
    MathBlock says:

    “Which administration official will be the next to experience memory loss in front of a Senate Committee?”

    The next one.

  42. 42
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    Dude, why do you think this stuff is ok just because Clinton did it?

    Never said it was OK. What part of “[Whining about “I can’t recalls”] was dumb ten years ago, and it’s even dumber now” is hanging you up? Everyone should just stop being so naive and hypocritical about it.

    As to is it right/is it wrong, I think one of the Ickes quotes has it about right:

    Harold Ickes cautioned that government investigators “are no longer trying to get at the truth. They are just trying to get you on perjury.”

    It’s all a “Gotcha” grandstand for the media and committee members anyway, so of course the witnesses are going to come up with their own way to game the hearings.

  43. 43
    Rome Again says:

    mrmobi… got another one for you, via WAPO regarding Goodling:

    Part of a generation of young religious conservatives who swept into the federal government after the election of President Bush in 2000, Goodling displayed unblinking devotion to the administration and expected others to do the same.

    ….To her detractors, Goodling was an enforcer of political loyalty who was not squeamish about firings — of interns or of senior officials.

    She forced many very talented, career people out of main Justice so she could replace them with junior people that were either loyal to the administration or would score her some points,” said a former career Justice official who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of reprisal.

    Loyalty is all that matters. Having the actual education and training to do a job, not so much. Of course, all we have is an anonymous source, but, it’s not hard to believe coming from this group, eh?

  44. 44
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    Recall that Newt’s asshats had Clinton’s people testifying over what turned out to be made-up stories or bullshit minutae.

    Had to laugh at your totally impartial characterization, which kind of goes to my point. Anyway, it’s funny — “bullshit minutae” is pretty much what right blogs are saying now. I guess the seriousness of the matter mostly depends on whose getting grilled, doesn’t it?

  45. 45
    ThymeZone says:

    She forced many very talented, career people out of main Justice so she could replace them with junior people that were either loyal to the administration

    We ended up with a fucking theo-oligarchy for a government.

    How wonderful. How many years will it take to undo all the damage in all the departments and all the contexts of government service and protection? At what cost?

  46. 46
    Rome Again says:

    How wonderful. How many years will it take to undo all the damage in all the departments and all the contexts of government service and protection? At what cost?

    Well, if EEEL has any say in the matter, we’ll NEVER see it happen.

  47. 47
    numbskull says:

    EEEL,

    Let’s compare:

    Small land deal that went bad, blow job, made-up stories about drug running and murders, haircuts on runways that actually didn’t stop airport operations, etc., etc. Yes, I’d call that bullshit, fairy tales, and minutae.

    No WMD, No AQ link, obstruction of justice, outing a covert agent, illegal wire taps, torture, unnecessary invasion and occupation, etc, etc.

    Yeah, I can see how exceptionally stupid people would find equivalence. It’s depressing that about 1 out of 3 of us are that stupid, but I guess it could be worse.

  48. 48
    John S. says:

    Been watching South Park, have we?

    Not lately. Did they actually have an episode about the Clagina? Not that I would be surprised if they did.

  49. 49
    mrmobi says:

    Oh, god, John Cole has, to quote brainpan, “truly lept over the entire tank on water skis…” in a new thread.

  50. 50
    Perry Como says:

    “bullshit minutae” is pretty much what right blogs are saying now. I guess the seriousness of the matter mostly depends on whose getting grilled, doesn’t it?

    Christmas card lists and blow jobs versus the possibility of firing US attorneys because of political investigations (:cough: Fitzgerald :cough:). Exactly the same!

  51. 51
    Perry Como says:

    Did they actually have an episode about the Clagina? Not that I would be surprised if they did.

    There was a snuke in the Clagina.

  52. 52
    ThymeZone says:

    Okay kids, current-affairs time!

    Been reading the ongoing saga of the pet food contamination story today?

    Here’s my question: Wheat gluten is a pretty common basic processed-food ingredient. It is one of many that could end up in pet food, or in your canned chili or soup or any number of processed foods.

    The food supply is a maze of interconnected large factory operations and transport.

    Somehow, in this case, toxic chemicals (still being discovered, apparently) found their way into wheat gluten and/or other entry points in the ingredient chain, and have caused hundreds, probably thousands, of pet deaths so far.

    What is preventing this from happening to the human food chain? How easy would it be for a terrorist, such as Timothy McVeigh, to slip some rat poison or melamine into an ingredient bound for a soup manufacturing plant?

    How much “homeland security” do you think we have?

    If we wanted some, who would get it for us? THE FUCKING POTATOHEAD GOVERNMENT?

    Cuss, and discuss.

  53. 53
    grumpy realist says:

    Great. Even the Soviets only trashed their biology with Lysenkoism. We’ve managed to trash every single bloody branch of government.

    When you start to make the Soviets looks like restrained and realistic…..

  54. 54
    Moll Slanders says:

    We ended up with a fucking theo-oligarchy for a government.

    Don’t tell me you’re just figgering this out now.

  55. 55
    John S. says:

    There was a snuke in the Clagina.

    Oh man, I just checked the episode listings. That is absolutely ridiculous.

    Apparently, there really is an underlying fear of the Clagina.

  56. 56
    AkaDad says:

    I think the big story that’s being missed is that Alzheimer’s Disease has now mutated and become contagious.

  57. 57
    ThymeZone says:

    Don’t tell me you’re just figgering this out now.

    I’m not. (You told me to say that).

    But, what we’re discovering is the depth and extent of the damage to government that has been caused by these morons.

  58. 58
    Grrr says:

    Sigh. Cletuses abound at BJ.

    Funny, last time I checked, the real Cletuses were stocking up with ammo and circling their mobile homes in preparation for the coming toe-to-toe with the Pelosi Stalinist Stormtroopers.

    Your should pander to your base, not confuse them with inconsistent metaphors.

  59. 59
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    Christmas card lists and blow jobs versus the possibility of firing US attorneys because of political investigations (:cough: Fitzgerald :cough:).

    As I said before, it’s funny how things are minimized or maximized based on who’s on the witness stand.

    Because of the hypocrisy!

  60. 60
    jenniebee says:
    No, she isn’t. She’s just trying to help our divinely-inspired supreme leader keep his “base” happy. We can’t have very rich people being forced to make adjustments in their beautiful lifestyles for “animals,” now, can we?

    We most certainly can. In fact, I think it is high time we cut into the lifestyles of humans to make way for the animals who are being squeezed out of their natural territory.

    By they way, we’re ALL animals, only some are more dignified than others.

    It goes somewhere beyond funny into a new range of true meta-humor when regular commentors not only can’t spot the painfully obvious spoofs, they also take other regular liberal commentor’s sarcasm seriously.

  61. 61
    Perry Como says:

    As I said before, it’s funny how things are minimized or maximized based on who’s on the witness stand.

    The distinction is made by some people because of the who, others make a distinction based on the what.

  62. 62
    demimondian says:

    it’s funny how things are minimized or maximized based on who’s on the witness stand.

    You know, I was utterly appalled every time someone in the Clinton administration took the Fifth over an important bad decision like Ruby Ridge or Waco.

    Funny — they never did. Odd, that, eh, eEel? Clean government types notice what’s actually going on?

  63. 63
    Perry Como says:

    From WingNutDaily:

    Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, both already under siege for other matters, are now being accused of failing to prosecute officers of the Texas Youth Commission after a Texas Ranger investigation documented that guards and administrators were sexually abusing the institution’s teenage boy inmates.

    Among the charges in the Texas Ranger report were that administrators would rouse boys from their sleep for the purpose of conducting all-night sex parties.

    In the Texas Youth Commission scandal, Texas Ranger official Burzynski received a July 28, 2005, letter from Bill Baumann, assistant U.S. attorney in Sutton’s office, declining prosecution on the argument that under 18 U.S.C. Section 242, the government would have to demonstrate that the boys subjected to sexual abuse sustained “bodily injury.” Baumann wrote that, “As you know, our interviews of the victims revealed that none sustained ‘bodily injury.'”

    John Yoo’s torture standards reach the Texas Youth Commission.

  64. 64
    Grrr says:

    As I said before, it’s funny how things are minimized or maximized based on who’s on the witness stand.

    Sure. And Bush could appear during prime-time tomorrow night in a Hitler costume, sweating and groaning, fucking a goat.

    There would be absolute silence from right-wing blogs until 3:10 PM the next day. By 6:30 PM the consensus would be:

    1) The goat had it coming.

    2) Clinton did it first, with a pig no less.
    3) Hillary Clinton is a Nazi.

  65. 65
    Perry Como says:

    Former interrogator talks about what US soldiers did to get information:

    When he was having problems getting information from a detainee, he recalls, other interrogators said, “Chain him up on the bed frame and then he’ll talk to you.” Lagouranis says he didn’t participate directly in hangings from the frames.

    The results of the hangings, shacklings and prolonged stress positions – sometimes for hours – were devastating. “You take a healthy guy and you turn him into a cripple, at least for a period of time,” Lagouranis told me. “I don’t care what Alberto Gonzales says. That’s torture.”

    Things seemed different in Iraq. “I started realizing that most of the prisoners were innocent,” Lagouranis told me. “We were torturing people for no reason. I started getting really angry and really remorseful and by the time I got back I completely broke down.”

    No word yet on the availability of the latest Harry Potter book.

  66. 66
    Zifnab says:

    In the Texas Youth Commission scandal, Texas Ranger official Burzynski received a July 28, 2005, letter from Bill Baumann, assistant U.S. attorney in Sutton’s office, declining prosecution on the argument that under 18 U.S.C. Section 242, the government would have to demonstrate that the boys subjected to sexual abuse sustained “bodily injury.” Baumann wrote that, “As you know, our interviews of the victims revealed that none sustained ‘bodily injury.’”

    Man-Boy love. Something this nation’s conservatives can really get behind.

  67. 67
    Krista says:

    Sure. And Bush could appear during prime-time tomorrow night in a Hitler costume, sweating and groaning, fucking a goat.

    Goddamn, where’s that eyeball bleach?

  68. 68
    Perry Como says:

    Man-Boy love. Something this nation’s conservatives can really get behind.

    No Child’s Behind Left.

  69. 69
    Moll Slanders says:

    The distinction is made by some people because of the who, others make a distinction based on the what.

    Personally, I make distinctions based on the WHY.

  70. 70
    Perry Como says:

    Personally, I make distinctions based on the WHY.

    Why is part of it, but in something like the Plame case it only makes me cynical. It’s bad enough to burn the cover of a career, covert CIA agent, therefore burning the CIA front company and all of its contacts that work on nuclear proliferation; but the reason…yeesh. Covering your political ass. What a bunch of fucktards.

  71. 71
    Paul Wartenberg says:

    Swear to god this just happened at my library.

    I had a teen skateboarding right in front of a “No Skateboarding” sign.

    I and a co-worker went out to confront him and ask him to stop skateboarding. He insisted he was skateboarding. He then questioned if I was certain he was the one doing it. Then he pled the Fifth.

    It’s official. The Bush Administration is made up of seventh graders.

  72. 72
    Paul Wartenberg says:

    Please edit previous post to reflect this. My bad.

    I and a co-worker went out to confront him and ask him to stop skateboarding. He insisted he wasn’t skateboarding. He then questioned if I was certain he was the one doing it. Then he pled the Fifth.

  73. 73
    Chad N. Freude says:

    We should just shove them into forced labor camps.

    Late to the party on this one, but that is the absolutely perfect solution. Illegal immigrants are picked up by the Border Patrol, thrown into camps and leased to industrial farms. Illegal immigrants make it to farms, are turned in by the farmers, thrown into camps and leased to industrial farms. Crops are picked, farmers pay less than they do now, farmers pay the government (in lieu of taxes), illegal immigrants unable to live free and shipped back to wherever at the end of the harvest. Genius!!

  74. 74
    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    You know, I was utterly appalled every time someone in the Clinton administration took the Fifth over an important bad decision like Ruby Ridge or Waco.Funny—they never did. Odd, that, eh, eEel?

    Oh my sweet Jeebus, I can’t believe this actually applies: “Why don’t they ever mention all the justice that Clinton DIDN’T obstruct?”

    Siiiigh. First of all, it’s not remarkable that the Clintonistas didn’t take the fifth over Ruby Ridge, as that incident happened in Spring of 1992, before Clinton was even the Dem nominee. (Where’s Conan O’Brian’s “ASS” stamp when you need it?)

    Second, there were at least a couple of obstruction charges against the Clinton DOJ resulting from the Waco fiasco and the cover-up of FBI actions. So again, let’s not conveniently whitewash recent history to pretend that “your guy” was a saint. It marks you as a frivolous shill and a naive thinker.

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    Zifnab says:

    Secretary Rice has been requested to testify before the House Government Oversight Committee on April 18th to discuss the claims that Iraq sought uranium from Niger and other issues.

    What, who, where? Niger now? Am I the Secretary of State? Am I a black woman? Am I in the House? Who can say?

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    Chad N. Freude says:

    Clinton did it! Clinton did it too! Clinton did it first!

    And I suppose Clinton did it better, too. What is the relevance of the Clinton-did-it canard/meme/T-shirt slogan? Whether Clinton did it or not, Bush is doing it NOW!

    Sorry for raising my font, but “Clinton did it” is not a justification, excuse, reason, license, or absolution for the Bush administration. OK, Clinton did it. How come Bush isn’t better than Clinton?

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    Jake says:

    Late to the party on this one, but that is the absolutely perfect solution. Illegal immigrants are picked up by the Border Patrol, thrown into camps and leased to industrial farms.

    Doesn’t one of the Carolinas want to introduce legislation that would allow inmates to trade time for organs?

    Hmmmm. If you had a choice between an icky inmate’s liver and a healthy immigrant’s liver, which would you choose?

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    Chad N. Freude says:

    healthy immigrant’s liver

    There won’t be any healthy immigrants. They’ll be denied medical care (unless, of course, they carry their own insurance).

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    demimondian says:

    Good morning, moron. Yes, Ruby Ridge happened on Bush Sr.’s watch — but so did the invasion of Somalia. You and your crooks don’t mention that much, do you?

    As to obstruction on Waco you talk about, that’s simply a lie. (But I repeat myself.) There were no obstruction charges considered — and the issue was heavily investigated.

    It must break your heart that the Codpiece in Chief has been shown to be a hollow man, the the center of the Republican-American party has not held, and that you and yours, heirs to the tradition of Burke, have sold your birthright for a mess of pottage. We did not make that so, though, and we did not make it possible. You did, by your blind, unwavering allegiance to a party of thieves — nobody else did this, just you.

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    numbskull says:

    And EEEL has now joined Darrell as being either too dishonest or too stupid to respond to.

    Remember, if you ignore someone on a blog, they don’t exist.

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    mac says:

    The article about illegals buidling the southern border fence comes from the WASHINGTON TIMES.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com.....-2035r.htm

    Fence firm hired illegals
    By Jerry Seper
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    March 30, 2007

    The head of a California company hired by the U.S. government to help build a fence along the Southwest border to curb the flow of illegal aliens into the United States has been sentenced on charges of hiring illegals for the job.

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    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop says:

    Good morning, moron. Yes, Ruby Ridge happened on Bush Sr.’s watch—but so did the invasion of Somalia. You and your crooks don’t mention that much, do you?

    Demi, get a grip. You erroneously mentioned Ruby Ridge, not me. I’m a moron for correcting your obvious, huge, glaring mistake? And mentioning Somalia? What the hell was that? Are you totally insane? It’s like talking with a two-tear-old. Next, you’ll start randomly naming the Wiggles or something…

    As to obstruction on Waco you talk about, that’s simply a lie. (But I repeat myself.) There were no obstruction charges considered—and the issue was heavily investigated.

    Your faith-based approach to history is so cute. Dead wrong, of course, but just sooooo cute. You might want to learn to use this new thing called Google.

    A former federal prosecutor who played a major role in the government’s siege of the Branch Davidians was indicted by a federal grand jury in St. Louis on Wednesday on charges that he obstructed the investigation of special Waco counsel John Danforth.

    Numbskull:

    And EEEL has now joined Darrell as being either too dishonest or too stupid to respond to.

    I find that so ironic that I may never stop laughing. The old “you’re so dumb I won’t respond to you anymore” has got to be the most transparent and childish admission of “I got nothing” on the intertrons. Heh.

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    John S. says:

    two-tear-old

    Two paraphrase Dick23: The fabled eloquence of the right.

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    jake says:

    There won’t be any healthy immigrants. They’ll be denied medical care (unless, of course, they carry their own insurance).

    Nah, just expand MMA Section 1011 a little. Slip a provision about All UR Organs are belong to us in whatever they have to sign and keep the scalpels and ice chests handy.

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