By request.
Some IPCC-related links if people feel like talking about climate:
Washington Post.
Tim Lambert deals with some confusion about sea level predictions.
The part about hurricanes doesn’t say much. There are more hurricanes in the Atlantic and warming seas will absolutely magnify hurricane strength. That is just a natural consequence of how huricanes form. But as to whether individual storms are the result of warming, meh.
RealClimate is currently down. For the most nuts-and-bolts discussion of the issue, check with them when the site comes back up.
Rome Again
Thank you so much! I appreciate knowing I have just a tiny bit of pull around here LMAO
::joking, don’t take it seriously::
ThymeZone
John McCain today on ABC This Week: I’m not sure the surge will work.
Is that the way to support the troops?
He’s a frigging weasel.
Rome Again
He’s not concerned about the troops TZ, he’s only concerned about his chance to be POTUS, you know that. He’ll say anything to make the poll numbers dance.
Rome Again
I said our future looked like Mad Max in my premonitions, but then, sometimes (especially here in Florida) I see Waterworld too. Doesn’t matter, either one looks like a bleak existence to me.
Rome Again
TZ, I’m not keeping you away from football, am I?
ThymeZone
No, not at all. I won’t pay any attention to the game until it is actually on. I don’t care much for the hype, but I do like to see the game itself. This should be a pretty good game.
No, what’s on my mind is stopping the Iran Warmobile that has been set rolling downhill by the NeoMorons.
Rome Again
You’ll need a big tool to fix that one.
ThymeZone
Right, but even as you described it, I take it as a profound effect.
ThymeZone
Rome, I am starting here.
Rome Again
Well, we have some weird trends happening. The area where I live is situated in such as way that we expect to not get hit unlike the rest of the state. That wasn’t the case in 2005-2006. We got clobbered several times. (Charley, Frances…). I worked on relief for those hurricanes, I know.
To the south of me is a city that was under the impression they had a guarantee from old indian lore that the area would never be hit by a serious hurricane. The editors of the newspaper had to apologize for leading residents astray afterwards.
Rome Again
Good choice!
ThymeZone
The NeoConArtists caught us off guard last time.
Fool me twice, cain’t fool me again.
ThymeZone
Homestead? Andrew?
Rome Again
Of course they can’t prove a link, so they’ll just keep lying and making up shit, until enough of the fear factor sheeple are scared and push them to go in and take out the Iranian evil nasties.
It’s the same song, second chorus.
Hopefully there aren’t enough people who are that gullible anymore.
Rome Again
Marco Island, Charley.
Can’t find it now, but, there was this big to-do about the fact that an Indian blessing was made on the island, so no major hurricane would ever strike the area. It was wrong.
Rome Again
Nope, I think I lie now, I think it was Wilma, that one did us in good in this area. We had no power for several days. Working as a field supervisor for newspaper delivery was fun when I had to drive over all kinds of downed power lines for my job. I held my breath each time.
Dave
White House Plan Mired in Doubt
Iraq strategy rests on political, economic reforms that even its authors have little faith will succeed.
I thought this headline was quite revealing. Now back to football.
Rome Again
They’re just grasping at straws, been that way for a while. They can’t do anything right, they won’t do anything right, it will never happen. Time to go home.
Rome Again
Here’s some reference to the “Blessing of the Calusa”:
link
Otto Man
Here’s another factor in the climate change debate. AEI is so desperate to distract people from the scientific consensus, they’re offering cold hard cash:
Surprise, surprise.
Rome Again
And in other news, here’s the latest on our “Catholic town” news round-up:
Ave Maria
The build up of this story is that former Dominos Pizza founder, Tom Monaghan, is building a Catholic town with it’s own university in Collier County, FL (where I live), with a 75 foot statue of Jesus, praying centers located throughout the neighborhoods, and a religiously healthy town that will not allow any but the cleanest of corporate services (ie: no condoms sold in drug stores).
The local newspaper here is beholden to them. They print Ave Maria updates even when no progress has been made to keep it in the headlines. It’s pretty sickening really. God, I want to get out of this place, these people are weird.
Rome Again
Otto, there’s a thread below on that. You might be interested in the discussion, see: Paid Hacks
jake
Fixed.
Also:
WTF? I’ve heard of this place before but prayer centers? Will this be some sort of a holy phone booth one ducks into for a quick Hail Mary? Why not scatter a few Holy Water fountains and emergency rosaries about the place? I mean come on, if you’re going to make members of the RC look like complete raving space loons, why not go all the way? Before the ACLU starts kicking arse I mean.
And their statue of Jesus will pale in comparison to this one.
Rome Again
By the way TZ, this was Wilma!
Rome Again
That’s scary, very scary!
Zifnab
Give it fifteen or twenty years before we hear about the record number of child molestation charges coming out of there. That’s assuming it doesn’t devolve into one big tax-shelter/mafia holdout/voter-fraud perpetrator first.
I can almost hear the laws being broken from here in Texas. But only because I’m so familiar with the sound.
Rome Again
I agree with you Zifnab. I think it’s going to bring a whole new impurity to this place. It’s bad enough we got so much money here it would make one’s eyes pop out, but at least Naples is not known for it’s sleaziness, yet. It will soon, I’m sure.
ThymeZone
Thank you Rome, for Wilma (not Flintstone, the hurricane).
Woke me right up. Heh.
Rome Again
Just thought you’d like to know what that week was like for me.
ThymeZone
When I think of where you live I think of a movie called “Sunshine State” starring Edie Falco. I am a huge huge fan of hers. Love this movie.
Rome Again
I’ll have to look it up, never heard of it. Hehe, strange? Maybe.
ThymeZone
Little known indy-style film. Very Edie Falco.
Did you see Empire Falls? HBO film with Paul Newman and Ed Harris? The writing style reminds me of Sunshine State, which is written by John Sayles.
Rome Again
I gotta tell ya, I’m a bit light on Indy-films. I gotta learn something new, been saving it for later, when there’s a great variety to throw myself into. Wanna teach me Indy-film appreciation?
ThymeZone
Sure, I’ll put on the popcorn ….
Rome Again
Okay ::smiles::
Rome Again
Looks like a good cast. I love Mary Steenburgen films. Yes, show me this one TZ.
ThymeZone
Trailers for Sunshine State.
Rome Again
Thank you, I already found that. I’ll check it out later when I don’t have so many windows open. I meant show me “in person” LMAO.
::coy blush::
ThymeZone
Coming, to a theater near you.
Rome Again
I’m looking forward to it. :)
ThymeZone
Not trying to spam the thread, but since no other traffic …
A good review of Sunshine State
Rome Again
Cool, thanks. I found another one too (already closed window, sorry), but it looks like between the two I have a good feel for what the movie is about.
It sounds interesting.
Tsulagi
This video is kinda funny. With a MoE of 3%, this AP poll identifies the top villain of 2006. Take a guess who takes the #1 spot.
rachel
Is it normal for there to be tornados in Florida like that?
Rome Again
Yes, tornadoes are fairly normal in Florida. Usually not this time of the year though, and usually not with weather that just pops out of nowhere. These tornadoes did so much weather because the weather didn’t indicate this type of activity. The storms popped up in the middle of the night when people were in bed, and they had no warning. There were no sirens in the neighborhoods that were hit.
Come to think of it, I haven’t lived in an area with a warning siren since I was a small child in New Jersey.
Link
Rome Again
“did so much *damage* because…”
sorry, should have previewed that.
Richard 23
Mark Noonan, possibly running for Senate? He needs some encouragement!
Rome Again
Nevada Senator = John Ensign? (yeah, I wish).
RSA
Jesus–not Mary? And they call themselves Catholics.
Richard 23
Huh, I thought there was some kind of prohibition about graven images and idols and stuff. I guess that’s just for the non-crucifix and non-Biblical stuff.
I suppose statues of Zeus and Aphrodite are out.
Grrr
Yet again, GWB steals the thunder from the subtle, back-room Satan – Dick “Fuck you” Cheney.
Krista
Well, I’m not as cute as TZ, but I can say that there’s definitely a lot to be gained from indie and foreign films. You kind of have to do your homework, though, to separate the diamonds from the dreck.
Rome Again
Thanks Krista, I’ll keep that in mind. :)
Tsulagi
It’s gotta be hard being a White House staffer these days. “Okay, bad news is our guy is now down 25 to 1 against Satan for biggest asshole. But good news is he’s only 3 to 1 in the hole versus Osama. How do we build on that?”
Rome Again
We can’t, that’s why it is time for him to go, along with his puppeteer.
ThymeZone
Just note, she is a helluva lot cuter than me.
ThymeZone
Just note, she is a heckuva lot cuter than me.
Rome Again
Whoever said I was looking for cuteness?
ThymeZone
I’m just sayin’.
Rome Again
If I wanted cute, I’d just go buy some Disney books, (Bambi, Thumper!)
NOT!
Paddy O'Shea
John McCain, Georgie Bush’s American poodle.
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/John-McCain.jpg
Gruff!
ThymeZone
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea?
I’d go for the Kirk Douglas look.
Ahoy!
jake
Poor Johnny, the President refuses to use any lube.
Rome Again
YEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH!
Jonathan
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/money/10835876/detail.html
Jonathan
Since y’all don’t seem to want me here, I’ve been posting over at Dan Reih.’s site. Apparently I’ve been banned from there.
Would someone try posting to Reihl’s site and let me know if the site is working properly or not. I already have an ironic email to send to him but I want to know I’m truly banned before I send it.
Here’s the text of my email:
Jonathan
Reihl is bashing Olbermann for some sort of supposed sexual impropriety, implying that it is only liberals that do that sort of thing. So I had this post all set to go, but I can’t post.
Mike
Jonathan,
I don’t recall anyone saying they didn’t want you here, just stop spreading pony manure.
Punchy
Not true. I like your insight on the war, being that you’ve been in the trenches. Keep posting and ignore all the crap.
Zifnab
Nah, I can post there just fine. Funny, because I thought I would have been banned way before you were.
Pb
Jonathan,
Post wherever you want, but yeah, chances are you’re already banned from Reihl’s site–last I checked, it was pretty crazy over there.
Jonathan
I was personally attacked, called names, ridiculed and told that I wasn’t going to have my opinions respected at all anymore.
I have done none of that to anyone at all, not even Darrell. I have been uniformly polite to everyone, even those I disagree with.
If y’all can’t deal with differing opinions without name calling, ridicule and personal attacks, I don’t want to be here. You are just as bad as the conservatives who you so roundly denounce.
Even your remark about pony manure is belittling and dismissive of my honest opinion.
In my opinion groupthink is childish and dangerous. I see it over on the right wing boards, and now I see it on a supposedly open left wing board. I expect that kind of crap on DU because they are openly partisan and will ban anyone with a differing opinion.
I’ve made half a dozen posts on DU in the last few days and every thread I’ve posted in has just disappeared.
Punchy
TZ does that to every newbie. Just let it pass and you’ll be fine.
Jonathan
I won too many arguments where the righties couldn’t or wouldn’t reply to me at all, just like Darrell can’t.
Did you see my post about Pope Benedict trying his utmost to enable the spread of AIDS and other STDs around the world?
I shot down every argument and then got silence.
Jonathan
It wasn’t just TZ, Rome Again said she would never listen to my opinion again. And that’s just one I can remember.
Punchy
“Eggs” Benedict is just following extremely Catholic doctrine, which is about as applicable and useful in today’s world as whale oil lamps and Sprint Wireless. Amazing how much worldwide damage, disease, and horrible deaths the Catholic church can/will lay claim to simply by refusing (!) to endorse condom useage. Just unf#ckingbelievable…
Zifnab
Welcome to the Riehl World.
Honestly, no, I missed it. I kinda gave up on that site after a day or two and I only really come back to pitch snark. Be seriously, the Pope wants to spread AIDS? Do you even need to respond to that? “OMG! EVIL POPE!” I’m still half convinced Dan Riehl is a spoof. No one can be that lame, right?
Punchy
sorry…left out “conservative” after “extremely”. I’m a dumbass.
Krista
Sweetie, just give us all time to get used to you. You’re still quite new, and you’ve come in here with very lengthy (albeit well-researched) posts, to which you earnestly expect a response in kind. It’s a bit…exhausting. There are many people here who appreciate what you have to say, and there are some others who might find it off-putting, and will not be shy in saying so. If a handful of the latter folk are enough to make you not want to go to a blog anymore, then you will soon run out of blog options. My suggestion is to try to develop a bit of a thicker skin, take things with a bit more humour, and give as good as you get.
Krista
Yes, Punchy, you are a dumbass! You’re so dumb it takes you half an hour to make Minute Rice.
See Jonathan? I bear no animosity towards Punchy, but he left himself wide open for the insult, and so blog honour compelled me to act on that opportunity. We’re a little rough-and-tumble here, but it’s all in good fun.
(No offense, Punchy — just using you as an example to the new fellow.)
Punchy
Likewise…:)
Pb
Jonathan,
I already told you some of what I objected to, but I see that you either didn’t read it, or didn’t understand it. Suffice it to say that some of your posts haven’t been consistent with the ‘honest debate’ that you claim to want to have, and that they are directly related to the response you received. So take some responsibility for that, or not, but in either case, grow up, and quit pretending that your shit don’t stink, because that ‘woe is me’ bullshit was old and tired when you started it.
Jonathan
No, I was claiming that the Pope is doing his utmost to encourage the spread of AIDS by banning condom use for Catholics.
The thread was about George Soros (a Jew) being antisemitic because when he was a kid he was taken in by a Gentile who pretended that Soros was his godson and Soros went with him sometimes when his “godfather” performed his duties which incuded expropriating the property of deported Jews. I compared Soros with Pope Benedict, who is older than Soros and who was in the Hitlerjugend as a youth.
Of course I got attacked, but when I pointed out that over 90% of Americans have indulged in premarital sex things got very quiet.
Jonathan
My skin is very thick. I actually like it when people attack me and call me names because it shows they have no valid response to my argument.
But if my opinions are going to be ignored, just because they come from me, why should I bother staying around?
Punchy
They’re obviously not being ignored when they produce a torrent of (not-so-friendly) responses. As I said above, just keep posting. There’s a number of us who do read and analyze your stuff, for good or bad.
Jonathan
I was responding to a lot of different people at the time and couldn’t keep up with everyone, sorry.
So you *do* think Iraqis are a different sort of human being than Americans?
All I was doing was asking questions to try and clarify in my mind what my opponents were thinking. I called no names, slandered no one and insulted no one.
Everyone feels self righteous. Do you not think you are a righteous person?
cd6
DRAMA
Jonathan
I think I had one person, it could have been you I don’t know, who took up for me.
That’s groupthink, I see it on the right and I see it on the left too.
I’m not interested in a groupthink echo chamber where anyone who deviates from orthodoxy is immediately attacked.
Pb
Never have, never will, have no idea how any reasonable person could have gotten that impression in the first place.
Your mind works in mysterious ways, because you were way off base here.
Pb
Then it’s a good thing that you’re back here instead of over at Riehl’s blog. :)
Krista
So let me get this straight: If you’re insulted by others, you like that, because you think that it proves that you’re winning the argument. If people ignore you, then you either see that as proof that you’re winning the argument, or you see that as reason to take your proverbial ball and go home.
Are you actually interested in having discussions with people, or are you more interesting in keeping score?
Maybe people sense that, and just don’t really feel like getting into a long, drawn-out debate, particularly if your comment is off-topic as in your aforementioned Soros thread.
Look, you seem like a good guy, and it’s always great to see new faces around here, but when you’re new to a blog, you really, really might want to try to ease on into the waters and let people get to know you a bit first before you unleash the full arsenal. Just my opinion, of course, so feel free to take that for what it’s worth.
Jonathan
Then it’s a good thing that you’re back here instead of over at Riehl’s blog.
I didn’t make myself clear, I went to Reihl’s to engage those with whom I am fundamentally at odds with on most subjects, those on the right.
What I meant by “deviates from orthodoxy” is that if someone who is a member of a group deviates one iota from the “party line” then they are immediately attacked.
I disagree with practically everything Darrell posts, but I argue with his ideas and refrain from attacking him personally. I think it has worked pretty well actually, Darrell very seldom responds to the points I make, which leads me to believe he has no response.
It was the same over at Reihl’s, I would post, get a few responses, shoot those down and then get silence. Shortly, I got blocked from posting at the site. Reihl wants lefties who will name call and make personal attacks so that he can point to lefties as being irrational. He cannot deal with someone who makes a rational argument and refrains from name calling and attacks.
Jake
If you think this is an echo-chamber your choices are:
1. Fuck off to a chamber more suited to your tastes.
2. Suck it up.
But stop the damn whinge-fest. If you’re expecting everyone to make nice when they disagree with you or defer to your opinions just because you’re a self-described librul…tough titty. There are some not so polite and genteel people here and if they think you’re full of shit they will say you are full of shit.
You’re full of shit.
See?
Punchy
Heck yeah. They’re cultured diff, their belief system and cultural mores are diff, and many suffer from a chronic inability to trust their government, Saddam or otherwise. I thus proffer that that they are prone to act in ways that can only be deemed as desperation (car bombings), revenge (torture of other sects), and deception (alliances with Iran groups).
That makes them diff, and the U.S. wholly unable to understand and help them.
Jonathan
If I’m so full of shit, why won’t Darrell or the other righties reply to me?
Pb
Jonathan,
No, I think you did.
Indeed. We don’t really have a “party line” here, much less a party.
Then you’re probably wasting your time. Then again, Darrell is quite the time-waster.
Of course, there’s no telling with him.
That’s one interpretation. Another might be that they read your posts, concluded that you were crazy, stupid, or trolling, and then banned you. Then again, “a rational argument” might look like something “crazy, stupid, or trolling” by their standards, so as I was saying before, there’s really no telling.
However, I will tell you that judging by your earlier posts in the previous thread, I couldn’t tell for sure whether you were just a very earnest idiot or a fresh, new troll. However, after a few more, I filed you in the troll category, because I thought that was the more charitable assumption. And if I had seen more ‘rational argumentation’ and less bizarre and/or offensive assumptions, attempts to change the topic (to some other crazy topic–Nigeria? Really?), and general nuttiness, then I probably would have been kinder. Of course, to the posts where you were being relatively sane, I was kinder. But that’s just me.
Punchy
Nominee for the biggest Tell-Us-Something-We-Dont-Know post in quite awhile…
He’s currently MIA. I’m guessing those Cheetos stains on his fingers required more scrubbing than usual…
The Other Steve
I woke up this morning and it was -20 degrees out.
this is proof that my evil plan to support Global Warming is NOT WORKING!
Please, everybody, keep producing more CO2. I beg you before we all freeze up here!
Zifnab
In defense of the Pope, the whole “no condoms” thing is less about spreading STDs and more about mak’n babies.
Fortunately, the Catholic Church has become used to their consistuents nodding sagely, mumbling an Amen, and then doing whatever it is they damn well feel like, maybe stopping in to Confession to apologize for it later. So the Pope gets to speak from purity – ie “If the world was perfect, we’d be doing it this way!” – and the population gets to do what they believe is practical, and the two kinda meet in the middle.
It would be nice if the Pope wasn’t so blissfully naive, but hey, he’s the freak’n Pope. What did you expect?
The Other Steve
Sirens are worthless anyway, houses these days are built so tight you can’t hear ’em.
Instead, I would like to recommend the Midland Weather Radio WR-300.
I got one. This sucker is LOUD! It’ll wake the dead if it goes off, and because it has SAME you can narrow the warnings down to your specific county. It also has backup batteries, so you can grab it and take it to the basement with you.
Jonathan
But he responds to practically everyone else as far as I have seen.
The Other Steve
The Catholic Church are experts on sex?
Jonathan
It doesn’t matter what the intent is, the effect is to encourage the spread of AIDS and other STDs while also helping to promote overpopulation in regions that already have too many people to adequately feed and house.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/
If over 90% of Americans are having premarital sex then it it a part of human nature to do so. The Pope is indulging in wishful thinking of the most deluded sort to think that people are going to do otherwise.
Therefore by banning condom use for Catholics he is not doing anything to stop premarital sex but he is enabling the speading of AIDS and STDs.
Jake
???
What the hell does a lack of reply from Darrell have to do with the price of fertilizer? Being full of shit is an equal opportunity affliction. If you think you’re immune because of your political leanings you’re brimming with shit. If you think the ability to make one of Bush’s trained parrots back down means jack, you’re overflowing.
Face
One man’s niavete (sp?) is another man’s stubborness and callousness. I hold little hope that papality will bring about the necessary vision and forethought to Ratz that is necessary in today’s world.
Jonathan
He doesn’t back down from you.
Pb
Oh look, I didn’t get a reply from Jonathan, who doesn’t get replies from Darrell–I must be a freakin’ genius! :)
Jonathan
I did reply to the post you linked to, I though that was what you wanted me to do.
Jake
Being full of shit often leads to delusions. See if you can give a straight answer to this question:
Why does “Darrell ignores me” = “Johnny is not full shit?”
Sen. Frist is standing by to give a diagnosis.
Jonathan
How often do you see Bush’s trained parrots back down?
That he and other righties back down means that I have proven my point in a manner which they can’t even bullshit there way out of.
Zombie Santa Claus
Does the answer involve a cat?
ThymeZone
Can’t stay around right now to mix it up with anyone, but in view of recent posts to this thread ….
1. There’s no echo chamber here. Lefties argue with each other all the time. I have been in lengthy and heated flame wars with many lefties here, nobody shies away from them. Any suggestion that you have to “toe a line” here is just bullshit.
2. Most complaints about “abuse” and “personal attacks” are whines, and are bullshit. This is not a genteel place, never has been and never will be. Don’t like the tone? Go away. Otherwise, dish it out, and take it.
3. If you post trollish bullshit, expect to be the target of ridicule and scorn. If this shoe fits you, wear it.
4. Someone named in this post has posted some serious trollish bullshit lately. Get a frigging clue. And stop quoting Goebbels, for the love of Christ.
ThymeZone
Whoops, someone named in my post wasn’t named. But you know who you are. At least, you know who is writing your character. I know who is writing mine, get it?
Face
Enough with the “meta” bullsh!t. Quit bringing up Darrell for any comparison about anything.
Zifnab
That’s cool and all, but if you want to blame the Pope on opposing condoms, you might as well lump the entire “Abstinence Education” Ideology in there with it.
And whatever may be said about Catholicism, it certainly has no problem embracing the cervical cancer vaccine or dispersal of AIDS medication to third-world countries or providing medical care to pregnant women. At the worst, Catholicism and the Pope take the blissfully naive approach – that you shouldn’t need condoms if you only have sex with one person, your spouse.
I mean, the Pope objects to birth control as well. But I don’t see you complaining about that.
Jonathan
Why? He is a renowned expert on propaganda.
With the exception of Chomsky can you think of anyone with better credentials to discuss the methods and uses of propaganda?
Zombie Santa Claus
Darrell’s a sock puppet. Pretty much every righty on this site is a spoof. If the spoofs shut up, it’s because spoofing has grown tiresome.
The Other Steve
I just want to report… that the temp is now up to -5 degrees here, from a low of -19 this morning.
My plan of promoting global warming by running my car 24 hours around the clock is working!
Punchy
Uh….no.
Jonathan
Are all the righties over at Reihl’s ‘spoofs’ too?
Andrew
I’m not so much writing Jonathan anymore as much as I am just re-purposing old Jonah Goldberg quotes with the names changed.
demimondian
Umm…you do realize that John Cole (you know, the original proprietor of this blog) is an expert on agitprop, right?
Jake
The question was: Why does “Darrell ignores me” = “Johnny is not full shit?”
The apparent answer is one worthy of a righty pony fancier:
Um yeah. This happens…all of the time. Why does it prove Johnny isn’t full of shit?
Andrew
Has anyone ever seen Jonathan and Darrell together at the same time? Hmmm? Hmmmmmm? I think not.
Jonathan
No, can you direct me to some of his writings? Maybe I could quote those.
I use what I can find.
Pb
Yeah, but you missed the next one. :)
I don’t know, but they don’t post over here much. Actually, it doesn’t look like there are all that many righties and/or posters over there either.
cleek
Chuck Norris says: the Founding Fathers would’ve picked Newt Gingrich as the next pres.
ThymeZone
We’ve already covered that ground. For someone so full of it … I mean, full of facts … you seem to have a short memory when it suits you.
If you are spoof, heckuva job. If not, start ponying up some cash. You need buy a few clues.
Zifnab
It’s not like the site has huge traffic. There’s, what? Darth Malaise and JimK? And Dan Riehl? Half the people on his site are leftist guerilla commie-loving insurgent terrorist islamofacists.
And you didn’t respond to my Pope debate, so I call “wins-ies”
Jonathan
Sorry I missed it, I’m trying to do three things at once.
What’s so “nutty” about a sense of honor? It’s what makes Marines such good warriors.
It was clear no one was going to accept that I was entitled to my opinion so I simply dropped it and attempted to change the subject to something less controversial. I guess
Zifnab
Dear Chuck Norris,
I cannot in good conscience vote for Newt Ginrich for President, but I will be writing you in. Please run for President, Mr. Norris. We need someone who can round-house kick terrorism for real.
Sincerely,
ChuchNorrisFan2525
Jonathan
http://www.nysun.com/article/44302
Yeah, I bet the founding fathers would have loved Newt.
Newt must have forgotten about N’awlins
Krista
Shorter Newt: if we would only do what the terrorists want, then maybe they wouldn’t be so goshdarned mean to us!
Jake
Chinless Chuck strikes again. Rev. Foster would hop up and down with glee at the thought of a wife-swapper in the White House.
Did Norris do his own stunt work? I’m thinking he took one thump to the melon too many?
The Other Steve
I wonder if WorldNetDaily realized they got spoofed?
Pb
Jonathan,
There is nothing nutty per se about just having a sense of honor–therefore, that probably wasn’t what I was talking about. Try again.
Another lie–everyone accepts that. However, depending on how manifestly stupid and/or ungrounded in reality that particular opinion seems to be, it might also be entitled to a fair bit of ridicule on the merits.
Yeah, “I guess” is about the best I can come up with there too–you went through a bizarre array of different topics with little help from the rest of us, often stating obvious points as if you expected them to add something to the discussion we weren’t having, and/or expected them to be disputed or refuted. And what wasn’t obvious was just bizarre. I’d go through the list, but… well, anyone who wants to slog through those 400+ comments to see what I’m talking about is free to check it out for themselves.
TenguPhule
It’s always a party here at Balloon Juice!
And Johnathan gives new meaning to the phrase ‘party pooper’.
Zombie Santa Claus
Yeah, probably.
I don’t know much about the Riehl world, but I can speak from personal experience that there have been threads on this blog that were over 60% spoof. I know, because I wrote them in collaboration with others.
I’m pretty sure Darrell’s a spoof. John Cole’s sock puppet to gin up traffic. scs, I think, is real. The rest of them are pretty much all spoofs at this point. At one time, about 18 months ago, this site had real right-wingers on it, but most of them gave up under the relentless combined onslaught of leftists who attacked them and spoofers who agreed with them to an uncomfortable extent.
TenguPhule
I thought that was DougJ?
Krista
We are all DougJ.
Zombie Santa Claus
True, he probably has a couple. But Darrell is a wholly owned subsidiary of John Cole, Inc. DougJ works freelance, toward the same ends. As do I.
Zombie Santa Claus
Sockpuppets, I mean. Not that DougJ’s a sockpuppet, but Jonathan might be.
Zombie Santa Claus
I’m Spartacus! That’s it. That’s a good righty nom-de-plume. Someone needs to start spoofing as Spartacus.
I was racking my brain a while ago, trying to think of decent monikers, and now we’ve stumbled onto this one. Thanks, Krista!
Krista
Hey, it’s the least I could do after my countrymen killed you, right?
Punchy
Fixed for apoliticalness.
Pb
A lot of someones should, really. Continuing with the spoof names, I rather like Icarus, or Daedalus. Cassius might be a bit too obvious. How about Burnectus?
Jake
I thought we were Marshall?
Jonathan
ThymeZone
“Honor” is what makes Marines such good warriors?
You are just fucking with us now, right? Trying to see how far you can push this horseshit act?
First Goebbels, then Iraq PermaWar, you know, out of a sense of “honor.” And now this.
Been here two years, you are setting new records for loads of crap here, dude.
Why did you decide to fuck up a perfectly good spoof with this shit? You could have gone on for weeks, months. Instead you blow it with crazy bullshit.
Shame, really.
Jonathan
The few, the proud, the Marines.
That’s the Marine Corps ad, do you disagree with it?
I’ve been there, have you?
It is honor which makes a man run out under fire to try and pull an injured squadmate out of harm’s way. To not do that would be cowardly and dishonorable.
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/congress.htm
The last words of the Declaration of Independence (you may have heard of it)
Andrew
Who would protect our right to spoof Marines if not the Marines themselves? We might have to go so far as to rely on the Army, with their lackluster “duty” sloganeering. And don’t get me started on the Air Force.
Jonathan
Is that what you call it? Spoofing?
I am just about sick of the left and the right in America. Both claim to “support the troops” but in fact, neither does one instant past the point that they can use us to their advantage.
I’ve been banned from posting over at Reihl’s site even though they know I’m a vet because I related my personal experience about vets being spit on by Vietnam war protestors. I’ve been banned there because I dont’ agree with them and am fully capable of supporting my positions with facts and logic for which they have no reply.
On here I’ve been attacked and called names and had to endure being called a “troll” just because I espouse an unpopular opinion that is due to my service to my country.
If ThymeZone acts the same way in real life as he does online then he’s extremely lucky if he has all his teeth left.
ThymeZone
Because you’re a fucking troll. Cut the crap, man.
BTW, in “real life” people don’t go around trying to harass people into stupid, meaningless conversations about bullshit ideas. Like you do here, for instance.
ThymeZone
Yeah, I heard that you didn’t write it, butthead.
TenguPhule
I call spoof.
Shorter Johnathan: I want the US to stay in Iraq forever and see no reason why others would take serious issue with my half-ass excuse of ‘honor’ and evasion.
Shorter Johnathan: I shall call me, Mini-Darrell!
TenguPhule
Shorter Johnathan: Democrats are worse!
Jonathan
It takes two to have a conversation, if you find my positions distastasteful then simply don’t read my posts.
I have conversations in real life with people who are interested in politics quite often. I’ve never had someone react to me the way you have.
If people aren’t interested in politics, then there is no point in talking politics with them.
By the way, since you know so much about the culture of the military, when did you serve?
TenguPhule
Seeing as how the last $10 billion or so was spent, this lack of spending is supposed to be a bad thing?
TenguPhule
Johnathan’s Irony of the Day(tm).
ThymeZone
You cannot place your hands over the keys without making up bullshit, can you?
Why would anyone want to have a “conversation” with you? That’s pretty presumptuous, isn’t it?
Where did I say your positions were “distasteful?” What kind of Miss Priggy word is that? I said they were BULLSHIT. Hardly the same thing. The truth can be distasteful. Bullshit can be sweet. Don’t mix up these concepts. Your posts are bullshit.
Jonathan
I know you are, but what am I?
If you think some bullshit is sweet then be my guest and chow down.
ThymeZone
Shorter Jonathan: I can make up any shit about the military, and then if you disagree, I answer with “when did you serve?”
Jonathan’s amazing paper explaining why “honor” is the reason why the Marines are great “warriors” will be published here shortly.
I don’t remember … did the Village People have a Marine? I think we found him.
ThymeZone
Your career here is over, dude. Done. Nobody is taking you seriously any more. What are you trying to do now? Get severance pay?
Jonathan
Marine Air Group five, First Marine Air Wing 69-71
I’ve raised a child and am helping raise my grandchildren, I can assure you that stamping your feet, holding your breath and throwing a tantrum impress me not in the slightest.
But whatever turns you on dude.
Andrew
Oh, the inanity.
Richard 23
I think I see part of the problem.
Jon has a sense of “honor” (honour) but no sense of “humor” (humour). There’s a fair amount of snark that seems to go right over your head. If you can see no examples in this very thread, that should tell you something.
Also, if you fall off the pony, do you give up right away? Or do you hop back up on that pony and try again?
And repeating the same blockquote over and over doesn’t count.
Now a random response for an earlier statement:
Goebbels is qualified to discuss nothing. He’s dead. Chomsky, however, is still alive. Surprisingly he even responds to his email.
cleek
It is honor which makes a man run out under fire to try and pull an injured squadmate out of harm’s way.
or compassion, sympathy, altruism, the Golden Rule, decency, love, pride, duty, etc..
Richard 23
Oh, and the Darrell character only likes to argue. He’s not usually interested in discussion. If he ignores you, it’s because he found someone else to insult, he was bored with your response, he missed your comment, or was too busy googling to notice.
It doesn’t prove that you’ve “won” anything.
You might as well try debating the ELIZA program.
A working version (implemented in javascript) is online here.
Have fun. Unlike Darrell, it won’t ignore you. But it will make about as much sense.
Jonathan
As you can see TZ, you were the one who brought up “conversation”.
Jonathan
Children often find pottymouth amusing, most adults get over it.
Richard 23
Wow, you win. I guess I won’t respond any more in this thread. It’s a good thing I didn’t say “fuck” or “shit.” That would’ve been so incivil.
(** clutches pearls **)
Actually I do still find many things funny, including potty language, when used properly. I guess I’m not “most adults.”
And you wonder why people don’t always respond to you. Heh.
I’m done.
jake
Doesn’t like being called a spoof, full of shit or a troll. Tsk. Kids today are so hard to please.
Jonathan
I’ve seen plenty responding to me on this thread and the last one too.
In the right context obscenity can be funny but just using obscenity for the sake of using obscenity is pathetic and shows a lack of class and intelligence.
Military bases have their own weekly publications to keep the troops up to date on what’s happening on base.
One year a little before Thanksgiving I saw a small article about how to act around civilians. One piece of advise that I thought funny was “if you ask someone to pass the salt, *don’t* describe it”.
Andrew
Poop!
Andrew
Did you really have to drag Krista’s speech impediment into this discussion?
Andrew
And how the fuck did Susan Collins ever get elected? She can barely put together a coherent sentence, has no apparent value system whatsoever, and looks like an extra from Time Bandits?
Seriously, if there’s ever some sort of chemical fire that can be put out by half-hearted pandering platitudes, just strap her ass to a hook and ladder and let ‘er rip.
Andrew
Sorry, I’ll got back to writing Jonathan soon.
Upcoming topics: why voting for Ralph Nader in 2000 was honorable; a list of all of the left wing websites I got banned from, but I also got banned from Riehl World View; how liberals are traitors unless they can scrunch their faces up like Joe Lieberman; why I am so actually really for sure liberal but not a leftist like you trash; did I mention I got banned at Dan Riehl’s site?; I think tax cuts on capital gains are progressive.
Jonathan
Andrew,
You forgot Right Wing Nuthouse.
Jonathan
http://www.calodges.org/no406/MACARTHR.HTM
“Duty, Honor, Country” — those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you want to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying point to build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith, to create hope when hope becomes forlorn.
-General MacArthur’s Thayer Award Acceptance Speech
TenguPhule
Shorter Johnathan: Clap louder!
McCain-Lieberman Iraq Forevah Party to your right.
Zombie Santa Claus
Fuck!
Zombie Santa Claus
I like pie!
Zombie Santa Claus
BTW, MacArthur wouldn’t have known what honor was if it had jumped up and bayoneted him in the liver. What the fuck is so honorable about abandoning your men to the tender mercies of the Japanese while you run away to safety?
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
Good point. I agree with you completely.
Don’t forget, MacArthur is the same fellow who provoked a Chinese invasion of North Korea by flippantly discussing irradiating the Yalu river and nuking airfields in Manchuria. It’s not very honorable to talk another nation into war like that, either.
There is no honor in war. It’s murder, pure and simple. The honor of warfare is the honor of the Mafia. There’s certainly craftiness and skill in warfare, and a certain rough justice to it at times (Hi, Hitler!); but that doesn’t make organized murder an “honorable” profession any more than a hit man who refuses to kill women and children thereby attains moral superiority in his slayings.
Warfare is a necessary evil, something society copes with and accepts as the price of its existence. Rather like the existence of crime is tolerated and accepted, and necessitates a police department to contend with its occurrences. However, honor does not arise from social necessity. Honor comes from peace, and the cultivation of the civilization which is the veritable fruit of the peace-tree. We certainly grant the social distinction of “honor” to our soldiers, and to our policemen, firemen, and others fulfilling various civic duties; but that doesn’t make the nitty-gritty behavior necessary for the survival of civilization itself any more honorable in an abstract moral sense than it’s honorable for an individual to devour brussel sprouts and poultry dismemberings in order to sustain his or her personal existence for another day.
Necessity is not honor, and warfare is a question of national survival. I.e, a necessity. Or, in the case of Iraq, a frivolous quest for glory and pillage and the chest-thumpings of a President seeking “honor” for his murders.
And that ends my diatribe. I forecast rebuttals impending.
Krista
It has nothing to do with pottymouth. There are several people here who never cuss, and frankly, nobody really cares whether you cuss or not. They DO care, however, about the fact that you really are taking yourself and your arguments way too seriously. Good god, man, even Darrell has been able to join in and get a chuckle out of a well-turned bit of sarcastic wit, even when it’s at his expense.
Speaking of which…
Andrew? A speech impediment? My honour compells me to tell you to go play in traffic.
Andrew
I simply cannot understand what you are saying, what with that thickly accented hockey Moose-talk.
Krista
/waves white flag.
I concede defeat, sir.
For now…
Punchy
God damn, I’m glad SOMEBODY finally noticed this, too. She talks slower than…well…WAY too freaking slow. She rarely completes a whole thought, and as for her looks…well…she’s no Christina Applegate.
tBone
Things I’ve learned from this thread:
1) Marines have honor.
2) Therefore we should stay in Iraq forever and ever.
3) Troll tears are delicious.
4) Cursing is a crutch for shallow fucking minds, bitches.
5) Canadians no spell good.
6) In addition to warm, steaming human brains, Zombie Santa enjoys pie.
Thanks everyone!
Jonathan
Maybe if I saw some good sarcastic wit I would join in the laughter.
Pottymouth!=sarcastic wit
In fact it impedes and hides it.
ThymeZone
Jonny, give it up, dude. It was a nice ride.
This gig is over. Time to saddle up and mosey on down the dusty trail.
It’s the, uh, honorable thing to do.
I know you get my meaning.
You are now reduced to sitting on a dead thread and whining your ass off. Is this what your mother raised you to do?
Punchy
Uh…this’d be WAY funnier if you had actually mispelled something and not just messed up the grammar… ;)
As for this:
Dead? It’s not over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??
Zombie Santa Claus
Yup. Brain pie, especially.
Andrew
Re: Zee Germans
I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
Zombie Santa Claus
I just watched this movie last night. Believe it or not, Mrs. Claus had never seen it before.