Less than 24 hours since the polls closed in which our new Communist leaders were elected and the terrorists won, and already people are showing their true colors as terrorist-enablers:
FIRST, LET’S GET one thing straight. Contrary to the suggestions sometimes heard on conservative talk radio, the terrible headlines out of Iraq aren’t an invention of liberal news media. They all too accurately reflect the grim reality. Since the bombing of Samarra’s mosque in February, at least 20,000 Iraqis have died violently and more than 230,000 have been displaced from their homes. The restraint once exercised by Shiites is gone; Shiite death squads have become as big a problem as Sunni terrorists.
Max Boot- defeatist, traitor, America-hater, and Bush-basher. All good Americans know that everything is rosy in Iraq and that the media is making this all up.
Zifnab
Ever since we were greated as liberators, I don’t even know how the media could continue to cover this non-story. Iraq has a well-known liberal bias.
chopper
oh, we were greeted as liberators all right.
unfortunately, the word ‘liberator’ in arabic translates to “the devil’s mother-in-law”.
legion
Wow. Didn’t take long for Booty-Boot to change his brand of mouthwash…
The Other Steve
Isn’t it wonderful how President Bush has handed this nation over to the whims of Osama bin Laden.
Iraq was bin Laden’s Briar Patch, and George Bush was more than happy to make us look like fools.
I think it’s fascinating that Max Boots has no plan for success. He’s not even willing to cut bait.
Tax Analyst
Went over and read the whole piece. Truly a strange day when Max Boot starts to make sense. Interesting that he waited until after the Republicans were tossed out to finally spit it out. I’d like to think that he didn’t have a different column to publish if the Republican’s held on…I wouldn’t wager any money on that, though. He’s been a big-time supporter of this War from the git-go…it seems to me lots of “happy-talk” slipped through his lips until very recently. That said, it’s always a good sign when reality finds it way into the conversation. It’s really difficult to construct effective policies based on false or fraudulent thinking and planning.
Zifnab
Sometimes you just gotta let the fire burn. Pull back to Afganistan and Kuwait and Turkey. Sit tight. Wait till the Iraqis finally get sick of their own bloodshed. Then move in and pick up the pieces. But the US Military is just an arrow through Iraq’s chest. Sooner or latter, you’ve got to pull it out. Catterize the wound. Hope for the best. But leave it in and you just prolong the bleeding.
scs
Now this is ridiculous. Everyone know things are bad over there. To pretend that the Reps don’t know that is silly. What the Right is saying maybe is that we have to compare apples to apples here. Things are bad there, but they might not be SO bad there for the Middle East and particularly Iraq. We’re not talking about a Sunday afternoon at the Country Club here. Having 20,000 Iraqis die violently in 3 years is pretty much par for the course in Iraq- heck it might even be an improvement from pre-war. The only difference is now the Shia’s are fighting back as well- which may add to the total.
Newflash – Middle Eastern people kill each other. It’s been happening long before George Bush became President or Rummy the Defense Secretary. We can’t use that fact to base our foreign policy on. Ok, that was the history lesson for the Democrats for today.
manyoso
What? You’d have him actually _tell_the_truth_ before the election took place? Why? So Americans might have more informed positions? How unAmerican can you get. Why don’t you just signal the terrorists we’re in retreat why don’t you!
ThymeZone
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The Asshole Formerly Known as GOP4Me
ROFLMAO.
jcricket
OK, now it’s crystal clear that scs is a spoof and a pie-lover.
manyoso
Oh? Wasn’t it just the other day where I read yet another Republican pundit declaring that Baghdad’s murder rate wasn’t much worse than D.C. or New York? And who were all those people on Fox News and talk radio droning endlessly on about the MSM and how they refuse to report all the success going on in Iraq??
Careful: your lack of intellectual honesty is showing!
jcricket
Kevin Drum points out that after Max’s opening salvo (which is a very good one) he goes on to reject every single possible “plan” for fixing things in Iraq. So what’s that say? According to Kevin, one can draw the following conclusion:
This from the “serious” party.
Pb
What we need to do here is listen closely to what the President has said about this–the problem isn’t that Iraqis may or may not be dying, or killing each other–the problem is that journalists are filming it all, and then showing it on our TV sets here at home[1]! This is a war of ideas, so how are we supposed to fight them over there if you keep showing it over here? They’re just pushing terrorist propaganda by showing all the bad things that are actually happening in Iraq, instead of showing all the good things[2] that they aren’t reporting on over here!
[1] I’d love to know which channel(s) all of this treasonous footage is allgedly on, by the way. So I can, uh, be sure not to inadvertantly support terrorism by accidentally watching it…
[2] According to the writers the Pentagon pays to report on this in Iraq
Zifnab
Hey scs, maybe you should start winning elections before you go off giving advice.
scs
And I have not heard one real critism of Rumsfeld yet. This is what I heard.
Not enough troops at first – but Dems haven’t shown how more troops would have helped the situation. If 150,000 troops weren’t enough to stop the looting after the war, 300,000 wouldn’t have been either. That would have only put a dent in it and provided more targets.
No Plan- but what PLAN? How would any plan help anything? The plan was to get a transistional government in place and build up the police and army and that’s what was done.
Disbanding the Iraqi army – If you ever heard Dan Senor talk – he said the Army was made mostly of Shia transcripts who disappeared after the war. The only Sunnis left were the bastard officers whom no Shia wanted to work with.
More troops after the war- More targets to shoot at.
This is a total Dem pattern and why I can’t stand them nowadays. They aren’t really just Left anymore but are more akin to Communists in my opinion in their use of propaganda. They bring up half truths, with no evidence or logic behind it, and hammer them over and over until stupid people actually start to believe it, with the backing of the MSM. It’s just sad.
tBone
Baby steps, Zifnab. Baby steps.
ThymeZone
Minor tweak.
The Other Steve
Oh man this is awesome!
They’re eating their own over there, and I LOVE IT!
Somebody call a WHAAAAAMBULANCE!
ThymeZone
Uh, Bone, would you please stop looking over my shoulder?
scs
Well that’s actually pretty much true, for the high crime years. But who said things were good here? “Bad” is in the eye of the beholder I guess.
trifecta
What is with all this we can’t let voters have facts before the war because it might influence their vote crap?
All the neo-cons bashing Bush under the belief that it would be held until after the election. Bush lying about Rummy getting canned so it wouldn’t affect the election. The Foley Probe’s findings shelved so it wouldn’t affect the election. Or back in 2004 when the NY Times buried the NSA Spy story, again so it wouldn’t affect the elections.
Do these folks even listen to themselves? We aren’t supposed to know the truth because it might give us a reason to vote against them. That attitude pisses me off royally. If Hastert, Boehner, Reynolds wer complicit in letting Foley stay, I think it might have been important for the voters to know. But again, that might have influenced the election.
ThymeZone
Okay, John and Tim, you can stop writing this lame-ass spoof material now. Really. The joke isn’t funny any more, it’s just tiresome.
tBone
. . .
No snark can really do that one justice.
On another note, the unhinged BDS sufferers at Red State are at it again. Why are they so angry? Don’t they understand that we have to support the President in a time of war?
Mike S
When you get back from Iraq let us know if your eye says it looks “bad.”
tBone
I’m watching you, bitches! I’m everywhere! Yearrrgggghhhh!
scs
Not everything need planning – some things just need to be DONE. I suppose the Dems like lots of planning. Probably when they walk down the street, they hire some consultancy group to come up with a plan for this. The plan they seem to like is “Left foot first, then right, then left, then right. Repeat”. I’ve heard that after review, the planning committee voted that plan in.
ThymeZone
Most of that has to be spoof. There is no way that most of those posters can be for real. Un-fucking-believable.
But funny, I must say.
Mike S
Hewy Hewitt is so far beyond redemption that it is no longer funny.
tBone
Yep, walking down the street is just like invading Iraq. Aside from the constant showers of candy and flowers, that is.
ThymeZone
Good Christ. Even knowing that it’s spoof, your crap is scary.
Baby Jane
Pull a finger out of an ear.
Ring the bell at 1600 Pennsylvania.
Ask for The Decider.
If they give you hard time, tell ’em Thumper sent you.
Don’t stare at the drapes.
jcricket
Larry the Cable Guy for Secretary of State.
LITBMueller
Nah, the problem wasn’t that there wasn’t ENOUGH troops, it was that there was no plan in place before we went in to deal with looting. Hence, troops did shit like this.
That’s top down planning that was at fault. Rummy was the top. He’s responsible.
Actually, the Pentagon plan was kick Saddam’s ass, fly in their buddy Ahmed Chalabi, let him take over, and then get the hell out. Chalabi was an asshole, he was their asshole.
Interesting….but here was the Pentagon’s REAL original plan:
Again, an incredible lack of foresight, from the top down. Who’s responsible? The man in charge: Rummy.
Krista
Pay attention, class. We are now covering “What needs planning, and what doesn’t.”
Needs planning: brain surgery, wars, house construction, foreign policy, charity galas.
Does not need planning: walking, breathing, farting, comparing a war to walking.
There will be a quiz on this later.
manyoso
Speechless:
This has got to be a spoof, no?
Baby Jane
Who cares? All I know is that Bargaining is next, followed by Depression, then Acceptance.
SeesThroughIt
SCS, go read blogsforbush sometime. All the stuff we say here in mocking sarcasm–“Iraq is a shining success! It’s a stunning victory, but the media won’t tell you that!”–they say over there. Except they are being completely serious.
Hahaha, those RedStaters freaking out and resorting to cannibalism so quickly is sweet, sweet schadenfreude.
Richard 23
When I go on vacation, I don’t plan my flight or a destination. I just go to the airport and hop a plane. I don’t pack a suitcase either. Because not everything needs planning – some things just need to be DONE.
Mike S
No spoof. They really are that stupid over there. Notice that the intelligent people over there, John and Tacitus, left when it became clear that the Redstaters had become the new Moonies.
Dave
This is just silly. It’s out there, you just refuse to see it.
– Generals have called for his resignation.
– The Military Time has called for his resignation
Read their reasons right there.
Of course the most obvious reason is that he’s completely lost the trust of the Military, grunts and brass a like.
Baby Jane
Like a seat-swapping midterm election.
manyoso
More from the REDSTATE SPOOF:
I think RedState.com is actually worse than FreeRepublic now, no?
SeesThroughIt
Oof! Arguably so, but I sure as hell wouldn’t want to take on the Dantean task of judging that competition.
Richard 23
Limbaugh, according to Drudge:
Right. It’s much easier to be an attack dog rather than having to defend the indefensible. See, Limbaugh doesn’t believe a thing he says. He’s just a bloated windbag. But I guess that was obvious.
TenguPhule
Scs not only manages to project Republican screwups onto the Democrats, she somehow managed to confuse 20,000 with 600,000+ killed by the Iraq war and Occupation.
Scs needs more pie.
Pooh
Leon calls on Allen to pack it in:
And shockingly, the comments by and large agree. Of course the whole thing is heavily larded with moralisms about being “better”. (Note, Webb did learn something from FLA: call yourself the winner and go home…)
Perry Como
Iraq just has a book to sell. I bloody, violent book.
skip
One would think that, based on the record, Max Boot would be reduced to doing his writing on rest room walls.
I guess they gamble on us having no memory of who did or said what. After all, Eliot Abrams is still an advisor when by all rights he should be doing his writing on jail cell walls. Ken Adelman was just in Vanity Fair telling everyone where we went wrong. Mr. Cakewalk himself.
Mike Brown was a disaster but at least he was canned for it.
Darrell
How honest of you Richard, to truncate Rush’s comments which clarify that statement:
Dave
Man talk about rats deserting a sinking ship.
I’m throughly enjoying this. John you may have your party back sooner than you expect. Looks like the circular firing line is in full effect.
Mike S
Why am I not surprised Darrell is defending Big Pharma Limbaugh?
Darrell
What’s silly, as scs explained, is the phoniness of those pretending as if Repubs don’t know it’s bad over there. There are some hopeful signs, but the Iraqi population has proven themselves to be too divided along sectarian lines to work together. Afghanistan has similar problems, but so far not to the extent that we’re seeing in Iraq.
Is Pelosi and Co. still pushing the ‘plan’ to take troops out of Iraq and put them in Afghanistan?
manyoso
“…clarify that statement…”
How does that clarify Darrell? Rush just admitted that he is full of shit because “the stakes are high.” The takeaway? Big Pharma is full of shit.
Darrell
I am defending the truth, not necessarily Limbaugh. By truncating Limbaugh’s comments to omit his clarification was dishonest, wouldn’t you agree?
Apparently in your world Mike, any defense of a person unfairly accused, if he is a conservative, cannot be tolerated, no matter how justified that defense may be. You people are hacks to your core.
Perry Como
I really wish someone had mentioned this sooner. Like before we invaded. It would have been useful information. Too bad no one knew. How could they?
manyoso
You mean the MSM was right??!!
Perry Como
No, the MSM is far, far left. Like Mao territory.
Darrell
No he didn’t, and not surprisingly, that’s a dishonest as hell characterization. Here is what he said:
He said he’s tired of making excuses for Bush’s straying away from conservativism because Rush really and truly believes that Republicans offer a better future.
ThymeZone
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Darrell
Kind of like in Afghanistan? which has a divided tribal sectarian population also..
jcricket
Brace yourselves America, now that liberals are in charge here’s what’s coming
ThymeZone
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Dave
Oh geez Darrell at least read scs’s whole post that I was responding too. His first line:
Now go ahead and spew.
Oh yeah how about them midterms last night!
jcricket
This is fine by me, actually. Let Rush and others fan the flames of the far-right. Keep running those ultra-conservatives and enjoy your “Southern-states only” status in the future.
Perry Como
Exactly like Afghanistan, except for the brutal authoritarian that kept the sectarian violence quelled after the country had been divided up by colonial powers a century earlier. Serious. Smart.
Fledermaus
Ms. McCormick: My son could’ve been a doctor or a lawyer rich and true,
Instead he burned up like a piggy on the barbecue
Everyone: Should we blame the matches?
Should we blame the fire?
Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?
Sheila: heck no!
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their hockey hullabaloo
Liane: And that bitch Anne Murray too
Everyone: Blame Canada
Shame on Canada
For…
The smut we must stop
The trash we must bash
The Laughter and fun
Must all be undone
We must blame them and make a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!!!!
Darrell
As did the Brits and Russians divide up Afghanistan over a century earlier. What’s your point?
chopper
see, this is why you guys don’t win elections.
Richard 23
Sorry, pie boy. Take it up with Drudge and Ace of Spades. But thanks for posting a fuller version of the quote to provide context but it really changes nothing.
He’s still a bloated windbag. I stand by that.
grumpy realist
Oh god, the troll-of-all-trolls hath shown up. ‘night, all.
manyoso
My favorite:
RightWasRight.us
ROTFLMAO
The Other Steve
Hey, why haven’t I heard the news about John McCain’s suicide?
Has he done himself in yet like he threatened? or is this just another politician promise they don’t intend on keeping?
Pooh
Man, I had to turn the Pie Machine off to see what Thyme was laughing at…just, damn. The only thing that is surprising is that he didn’t capitalize “Truth.”*
My next question is “is SCS K-Lo in disguise?”
* Full of Known Factiness
Darrell
Sure it does. You intentionally truncated Rush’s quote so you could accuse Rush of lying when that was not at all the case.
manyoso
Damn! Does Darrell have a man crush on the Big Pharma or what?
Perry Como
That the last century of history in Iraq and Afghanistan are so similar that they could be interchanged! Who could’ve known that sectarian violence would break out in Iraq?
Strong. Smart.
Pooh
No one could have predicted it…or rather no one would have predicted it, since if you did you’d get, what’s the word, fired.
Krista
Here now..blame us all you want, but leave Anne out of it.
Darrell
You didn’t clarify that when you responded. Now I understand what you were saying. Your response to scs was that the Military Times called for Rumsefeld’s resignation along with some generals. But none of the military magazines are published by the armed forces, they are published by Gannet Group (USA today)… and some generals support Rumsfeld, others don’t like him. He did shake things up at the Pentagon which needed to be shaken up, and by doing so, he ruffled the feathers of many status-quo lovers in the Pentagon.
That’s not a defense of him, it just goes to show that your argument that “military” magazines calling for his head, isn’t much of an argument at all.
Darrell
You actually like Anne Murray? I wouldn’t have guessed that.
jcricket
Where have I heard this before?
Oh yeah – Adam Sandler, Wedding Singer
TenguPhule
Operation Rightwinger Shields
Step 1: Round up the Darrells
Step 2: Dump them in Iraq.
Step 3: Evacuate US troops while the Iraqis are busy chopping up all the Darrells.
Step 4: Profit!
-Sadly makes more sense then any plan to date for Iraq so far.
ThymeZone
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A few (couple dozen, at one time or another) of us lefties subscribe to an email list, exchanging ideas, tasteless jokes, horrifying personal anecdotes, and plans for eventual World Domination.
We invite all lefties here, and those righties who have a sense of humor and can tolerate unfettered verbal abuse, to join us. The only rule we have is that the list address is not shared with people who are not on the list.
Interested parties should contact me at the email address visible (with a little decoding) in the upper left corner of my photo page (see my url).
Come on, come all. Our main goal is to have a good time and skewer the crap artists, of whatever stripe.
John S.
I see nothing changes around here…
Even after a a firm rebuke of everything Darrell stands for by the majority of America, he still likes his pie!
Way to stay the course, Darrell.
jcricket
You want Pie? You can’t handle the pie!
Darrell
Yes John, yesterday’s vote was a firm rebuke of “everything” I stand for and believe in – Love of family, country, god.. all of it sadly rebuked yesterday.
tBone
I hear it’s absolutely chock-full of commas.
Yeah, they’re not published by the military, so obviously they’re written by and targeted at unhinged moonbats. Nothing to see here, move along.
tBone
If you really loved God you’d respect his authoritah and capitalize his name, moonbat.
ThymeZone
You’re a damned liar, dude. Those aren’t things you “stand for.” I’ve been here for 1 3/4 years and you don’t talk about those things at all, ever.
What you do is crap continuously on people who don’t agree with you. That’s what you stand for and believe in.
Get serious for Christ’s sake. Don’t piss on our legs and tell us it’s raining.
Darrell
ppgaz, in case you haven’t noticed, this isn’t the forum where many people want to discuss their family..
Krista
She’s a neighbour, so I feel obligated to defend her.
Steve
I’ve never seen any evidence that Darrell is motivated by anything other than hatred of liberals. I assume he loves his mother, mind you, but I hope he doesn’t kiss her with that mouth.
Darrell
This is an official Hyperbole Alert:
[Please stand by for further instructions]
tBone
Better? God knows we’d hate to crash the Intertron tubes with a Class 5 Hyperbole incident.
Krista
Well, that’s sad that you feel that way, but evidently, a large number of people feel that their families and country are not being best served by the GOP. It doesn’t make those voters anti-family, anti-country, or anti-God, just because they disagree with your choice of leadership.
The Other Steve
Why does Darrell hate America?
Darrell
Yes, much better. Catastrophe narrowly avoided
tBone
Speak for yourself. I always vote straight ticket Anti-Family/Country/God.
ThymeZone
“Do not be fearful.”
“Do not be joyful.”
“Do not be doubtful.”
These are actual quotes from GWB today, in front of the cameras and mikes.
All I can say is, WTF is the matter with this guy? He lectures us as if we are little children.
Hey George? Fuck you. I’ll be however I want to be.
Ned R.
All that pie can’t be good for the system. Oh wait it is. Mine.
TenguPhule
Remember, No Darrells or Scs or whatever fruitcake they call themselves can criticize a Democratic Congress for at least 6 years. Otherwise the terrorists win.
Shoe’s on the other foot now, time to see how well it punts.
Krista
So if we can’t be fearful, joyful, or doubtful…what the heck does that leave? Pissed off, horny, or apathetic, I guess…
Eural
Most people would call that “normal”
CaseyL
It’s a couple months before the Democratic Congress takes over, and I wonder what the lame-duck GOP – Congress and Bush – will do before then.
One reason for Rumsfeld’s sudden departure seems very clear to me: Bush wants Gates to be confirmed while the GOP majority is still in control, to avoid confirmation hearings that focus on the deceit, ineptitude, and corruption that has characterized the war in Iraq from run-up to the present day. But those issues still need to be addressed, esp. in view of Bush’s Iran and NK policies. Gates’ being yet another alumnus of Iran-Contra bothers me: I’d want to know what he thinks of conducting secret, illegal wars these days since he was pretty comfortable with them under Reagan and Bush I.
I’m also worried about what the lames will do with Social Security, the Unitary Executive, and the courts while they still have a majority. I hope Reid and Pelosi are savvy enough to be strategizing hard to see us through the next 2 months, to prevent some really nasty parting gifts.
jcricket
I’m fine with the lame-duck congress approving Gates, especially if he’s incompetent. Let Bush be saddled with another loser for Secretary of State. If he’s competent, then fine, we didn’t stand in his way – No need to be all investigations all the time from before “Day 1”.
There’s not a chance of Republicans cramming anything through in the next couple of months like SS reform or more power to the executive. Democrats in the Senate will filibuster, and Dems in the Senate aren’t gonna cross party lines to give Republicans a win.
I do expect the tax extenders (expiring tax provisions) to get passed. That’ll be the “big accomplishment” of the next month for Congress.
Pooh
Boo-yeah:
Can I be the first to say that I :heart: Lieberman?
KC
Man, what a nice change:
This is why I became a Democrat a couple years ago. Looking for solutions to problems, not pretending a bad answer was a solution, then calling the other party defeatists when they didn’t go for it.
Dave_Violence
Hey, fair and square. I’m all for that.
SeesThroughIt
Well, as Mayor Quimby said, “People, people, we’re all frightened and horny!”
grumpy realist
AP also calling Virginia for Webb. Allen still hasn’t officially conceded.
Heard that the Republican in MT still hasn’t officially conceded, but everyone’s saying it’s over. What’s up with that?
Jessica
Bwahahaha!! Hilarious.
Bob In Pacifica
Cry for Guatemala, with a corpse at every gate…”
From “If I Had A Rocket Launcher” by Bruce Cockburn
A corpse at every gate, by John D. Negroponte.
Tulkinghorn
Have you learned nothing from the last five years?
They will approve him in the lame duck senate, and in 18 months Hugh Hewitt will refer to Gates as “the Pelosi approved director”, even though Frist runs the senate for the lame duck term, and Pelosi is in the House, not the Senate.
And Chris Matthews, Norah ODonell and Cokie Roberts will all blink and nod and fail to challenge him on it.
ThymeZone
From what I heard on MSNBC today, Allen and Burns are torn between keeping the door open to recounts, on one hand, and looking like sore losers on the other hand.
The GOP is trying to play it very cool. Unless they think a challenge has a good chance of winning out, they won’t challenge either contest. And nobody seems to think that either race would be changed by a challenge.
So …. we wait. In Virginia, it appears that we wait for most of a “canvas” to be done, which is a simple verification of existing count results. This is not a true recount and there likely won’t be one, according to the talking heads.
Pb
grumpy realist,
He’s crazy, and it looks to be outside the margin for a recount.
Sine.Qua.Non
the irony and sarcasm are getting really deep around here……
i like it!
ThymeZone
They’re holding out for offers from either the Daily Show, or the 700 Club.
Dave
So? They are not written for the Military by the Military?
JWeidner
so not that it technically means anything yet, but MSNBC is calling both races in favor of the Dems
here
and leading a headline of “Democrats Win Control of Senate”
JWeidner
oh damn. I missed pooh’s post above. My bad
Pb
So, the conservative blogosphere has this past election all figured out now:
Dave
Well damn, more egg subsidies then!
Egg subsidies for Me, egg subsidies for you! and Darrell, hell the whole country gets egg subsidies! That’s why the Dems won!
Perry Como
If you mix eggs into pie you get quiche…and that’s French, moonbat.
jcricket
Burns is just afraid of the felonies about to be leveled at him. I think he wants to go out like Ney (Felon #2 of the 109th Congress to be convicted while in Office).
Or, he’s caugh some Katherine-Harris-Crazy. Speaking of which, she’s been oddly quiet. I want to hear a crazed concession speech, or a black-helicopter conspiracy persecution chit-chat on Fox News. Something. Anything.
1) Elections have consequences. In this case, tasty tasty consequences.
2) We’ll need all that protein for the marathon investigations
Dave
That’s Freedom Egg Pie you commie terrorist sympathizer
The Other Steve
Because recounts are bad for Democracy, and they know it. Why do they know it? Because that’s what they declared back in 2000.
Stupid Republicans, always thinking of short term political gain rather than what’s right.
Anyway, the races in MT and VA weren’t particularly close. Tester won by about 2,000 and Webb by 7,000. Recounts may change the vote total by 300 or so votes either way, but not by thousands.
John S.
Oh my goodness!
What happened? Did you run out of pie, Darrell?
ThymeZone
Are we watching the morning news shows today?
The White House Bullshit Machine is in High Gear today, let me tell you. Full on spin on Iraq, and full on diarrhea of the mouth from the paid liars on Pennsylvania Avenue.
These shitheads are still out to control the news cycles and manipulate public opinion to the max.
And …. after this last ten days, is there any reason to ever believe anything George Bush says again? He’s a bald faced liar on Iraq and Rumsfeld, and he doesn’t even seem to care if everyone knows it. In your face.
Bipartisanship? Fuck that. I predict, and hope, that Dems come at these fuckstains with every weapon at their disposal. Rip this piece of shit government apart.
Zifnab
Yeah. One thing that’s pissed me off to no end is the complete vacuum of coverage regarding the robocall/voter intimidation/blantant lieing that was going whole hog just two days ago. Did we all just up and forget about “Steele Democrat” and the NRCC harassment campaign and Virginia’s balls-to-the-wall “if you show up to vote we’ll arrest you” gambit?
Bombadil
As has been posited under other circumstances, he “explains” things that way because that’s the way things are explained to him.
ThymeZone
Sad to say, but I don’t have a better explanation.
The apologista are all over the screens now. “The president has taken a bold step here (with Rumsfeld) and isn’t letting the Democrats have the momentum ….”
That’s right, just what the country needs the day after the country votes to change direction is for the chief in charge of the old direction to go out and try to grab the momentum.
These people are literally pigs. I say, fuck them very much, until the prove that they are going to be responsive to the public will.
jcricket
Speaking of traitors. Even the “Club for Growth” wankers are getting in on the action. I consider them the non-religious prong of the “problem was we’re not wingnutty enough” axis.
HyperIon
i saw brooks and shields on PBS last night. that idiot brooks was saying Pelosi and the dems don’t have real plans and so they will fail. less than 24 hours after the election and this wanker is already declaring failure. jeez.
nancy pelosi did a short interview also. i found her to be measured in her responses. several times the interviewer asked the typical ill-phrased, leading question with two false choices and pelosi firmly identified them as such. she seems very clear in her understanding that GWB is still the POTUS and that the election does not mean that Dems now get to run everything.
then a bit later pelosi on CSPAN. again lots of reporters asking “what are the Dems going to do?” “what’s the Dem plan on Iraq?” they didn’t like her answer: we are going to try to find a bipartisan solution.
too many people seem to actually believe that some magic way will be found to solve Iraq. all of the possible changes that the Iraq Study group are considering are unpleasant and expensive. we need a miracle.
Joe1347
Instead of complaining – Republicans should really start worrying about 2008. Dumping Rumsfeld isn’t enough to save the Republicans in 2008 – assuming that the Iraq Fiasco is still raging. George Will that commented a few weeks ago that the Republicans will lose a lot more seats if we keep [B]staying the course[/B] for two more years.
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Today, the policy of ”staying the course” means Americans dying to prevent Shiites and Sunnis from killing each other. If in January 2009 more than 100,000 U.S. forces remain in Iraq, there might be 100 fewer Republicans in Congress. So ”stay the course” is a policy stamped with an expiration date.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/will/105364,CST-EDT-geo22.article
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If Bush actually cared about preventing another Democratic landslide in 2008 – he would get out of Iraq today. Otherwise get ready to start singing Hail-to-the-chief to President Hillary. Here’s my list of predictions if Bush actually wants to save the Republican Party.
1. Leave Iraq immediately with no preconditions. (i.e,. follow Gen. Odom’s strategy).
2. Replace Cheney [B]immediately[/B] with a moderate – preferably with Colin Powell.
3. Start a large ‘national’ program to end our dependence on imported oil (think Manhattan project level). A good first start would be to immediately raise the CAFE standards (fuel efficiency standards for cars and light trucks/SUVs). Fund the program with a new 10 cents per gallon gas tax.
4. Encourage the surviving Republicans in Congress (house and senate) to elect moderates to their leadership posts. Right wing nutjobs can’t be the face of the republican party anymore.
5. Fast track getting Delay behind bars as well as play up his criminal behavior with the message that Delay is the one behind all of the Past Republicans Congress misdeeds. Basically make Delay a very public scapegoat.
6. Apologize for your mistakes. Blaming Iraq on Cheney and Rumsfeld lying to you also wouldn’t be a bad idea.
Bush needs to Seize the agenda (and spotlight) from the Democrats before they come out swinging with nail studded baseball bats. A true house cleaning and a bold new policy initiative (or two) that gets people talking and excited may save the Republican party’s bacon.
HyperIon
dream on.
Joe1347
>>>HyperIon Says:
dream on.
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So it looks like dumping Rumsfeld was the token sacrifice before going back to business as usual.
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Democrats bristle at Bush’s push to confirm Bolton
POSTED: 10:25 p.m. EST, November 9, 2006
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WASHINGTON (CNN) — On the same day President Bush promised a new bipartisan Washington, he began efforts to get two of his most controversial decisions approved before the Democrats take over Congress.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/…ess/index.html
Looks like everyone of my (joe1347) predictions has pretty much been proven wrong over the course of just a few hours. I foolishly thought that the election results would change the Bush Administrations direction. I guess I need to ‘study’ the Sylvia Brown method of making predictions.
IMHO – The moderate wing of the Republican party needs to start asserting itself or face extinction along with the rest of their brethren in 2008.
I don’t think that the American public will tolerate business as usual from the Bush Admin over the next two years. By not tolerating – I mean that yet more levers will be pulled for Democratic candidates in 2008.
Here comes President Hillary – thanks to Bush.
So much for trying to be a moderate Republican again. Time to head over to the local Moveon.org celebration. yuck.