I support this:
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad voiced defiance on Tuesday as a deadline neared for Iran to halt work the West fears is a step toward building nuclear bombs, and challenged President Bush to a televised debate.
This has the makings of a long, slow debate, as both speakers would have difficulty with the English language.
Defense Guy
Ahmadinejad is a psychopath, I support someone shooting him in the face.
Pb
Now who’s a psychopath…
ThymeZone
They’d both have trouble with English, but is there any doubt as to who would win?
I don’t claim to know what has happened to Bush in ten years, but his decline in acuity and ability to handle detail since his governor days is shocking and amazing … maybe the biggest untold story of the disaster that has been his presidency. This guy used to be sharp and clear and articulate, and now he can hardly compose a thought.
Defense Guy
Because I think the man should meet his end?
Faux News
Your Keyboard Kourage and brave words are an inspiration to all us here on BJ. I’m sure I’m not the only one who read that post and had tears in his/her eyes.
Perhaps the “someone” you mention in your post should be “you”?
salvage
I think it should be like that “Frankie Goes to Hollywood” video.
Two jerks beating on each other makes teh Baby Jesus smile.
Krista
It would be extremely interesting to see how Bush handles conflict, when physical retaliation against his opponent is not an (immediate) option. Bush will never go for it, though. This is the man who studiously avoids or marginalizes any of his own constituents who disagree with him. If he won’t face a fellow American who has a bone to pick, why would he face Ahmadinejad?
And Mac, even if Ahmadinejad IS a psychopath, he’s obviously not a stupid psychopath. If Bush rejects the invitation, it will make him look churlish, afraid and uninterested in conflict resolution. That might not be the case, but that’s how it’ll likely look.
Sirkowski
“Are you gonna bite, little dog? Or are you gonna bark all day?”
Defense Guy
So I take it you two don’t think the man should meet his end?
S.W. Anderson
I just get this mental image of Ahmadinejad making a couple of strong points and then, after pregnant pause, Bush gets his smirk on, turns to the audience and says some mindless, off-the-wall thing such as, “Got wood, anybody . . .?”
The whole idea is about as appealing as having to watch Kate O’Beirne do a striptease.
srv
Everything you think you know is probably wrong. But just like you don’t have to see a Micheal Moore movie to spend weeks commenting on it, you’ve passed judgement on it. You’ll no doubt parrot alot of quotations that have been pretty well contested – maybe you can iterpret Farsi for us?
He may indeed be a bad guy, I’m open to that, but he’s probably not a physcho. He appears to be very smart and playing alot of you like a fiddle.
Faux News
Of course we do! With you being the triggerman Mr. Keyboard Kourage.
DougJ
DG, getting shot in the face is not the end. It’s not a big deal. Happens all the time when you’re out quail hunting. Any hunter knows that. The right word isn’t “shot”, anyway, it’s “peppered”. Remember?
Tsulagi
I would so pay to watch that debate.
Damn you Iran!! Attacking our country at its weakest link!
Bombadil
Regardless of whether this debate ever actually happens, it’s going to make one hell of a skit on “Saturday Night Live”.
srv
POTD
Punchy
Kris…Kris…you know better. We’re always up for a good fight, or four….Rumsfeld, anyone?
When a man thinks he can win by losing spectacularly, and he’s your DoD….well….that’s a bad sign…
Punchy
I want to see Bush have a live debate with Tubgirl….
Bombadil
OK, that’s it, this thread is done! New thread, please, new thread!
demimondian
I don’t want to see Ahmadinejad shot in the face, much as he deserves. Assassination would not solve the underlying problem he represents, and would merely make a martyr of him.
I want to see the United States seriously seek energy independence, so that we can afford to haul him in front of a court for his funding and support for crimes against humanity.
srv
Maybe Bush speaks Farsi?
Anyone remember that SNL skit on Iran Contra? When Ronnie was testifying he didn’t remember, SNL did a skit where he was the mastermind behind everything. As his George Sr, McFarlane and North couldn’t come up with a solution to save El Salvador, Ronnie came up with the Contra funding idea himself. As they collapsed exhausted in the Oval Office negotiating with the Iranians, Ronnie cursed them, grabbed the phone and started speaking Farsi to Rafshanjani.
Kinda scarey when your mom passes out laughing…
Perry Como
So did Punchy just crap all over the thread?
srv
There you go too. Here’s a character, chosen by the clerics, who probably fairly accurately represents the views of say, oh, 500 million Arabs and Persians, and y’all just want to shoot him. That doesn’t make him right, but I know one thing for sure – y’all are going to lose with that attitude.
Wow. Just wow. Now he is Hitler.
Punchy
No, it was orange juice….
Judy
It would only be fair if they both had interpreters. Lately the Pres has been a little hard to understand.
RSA
Good one. Or maybe it could be over quickly, if one of the participants decides it would be more appropriate to go mano a mano with the other, gladiator-style. You can imagine swords and daggers being passed over from off-stage, and a big iron cage coming down on top of them both. Bush would attack first, before Ahmadinejad was ready, but Ahmadinejad would recover and then wear Bush down by playing defense, taunting him the whole time in broken English.
John S.
I didn’t realize Defense Guy represented everyone here.
Maybe MacBuckets and this phantom I think everyone calls “Darrell”, but that’s probably about it.
srv
Well, DG and Demi agree here, and I’m sure Mac, Darrell and JC would too.
And given how much the rest of you slobbered all over DG in the other thread, I’m not sure what to think.
Darrell
He is an oppressive and murderous islamofascist supporter of terrorism who deserves to die a violent death. Since Osama bin Laden represents the view of millions of muslim extremists, do you oppose him being shot in the face too? Just trying to see how far out there you are.
Defense Guy
I’m curious, which court and how do you think he would be hauled in front of it?
I agree on the energy independance.
You can have some of the love, I’m not selfish. All you had to do was ask man, or, um woman as the case may be.
demimondian
The ICJ, preferably. As to how — Iran is sitting on a demographic time bomb, and, if oil prices fall persistently, he’ll be out of a job in no time.
Punchy
Oh, they’ll fall. From Sept. 1st to Nov. 7th, they’ll sink below $2/gallon. AFter that, however, better fill those bicycle tires up with air…
Defense Guy
demimondian Says:
I think you put too much faith in the Iranian youth rising up, as I think if they tried they would be squished. I would certainly love to be wrong, but past history in that country doesn’t lead me to believe that I am.
I do think the youth is dissatisfied with the situation at home being bad, and the government choosing to send it’s money to Hezbollah and pursue nukes. I just think they are powerless to do anything about it.
But hey, whatever, at least they aren’t hanging our homesexuals or limiting the freedoms of our women, so who are we to judge. And after all what’s a little ‘death to america’ in the statehouse between old enemies. Not saying you disagree, just saying.
Of course, as srv says, unless I speak farsi, it must all be a lie.
The Other Steve
Ahmadinejad is quite clever. He wants to engage Bush in a debate, knowing full well that Bush is too arrogant to debate him. So Ahmadinejad ends up looking good to the Arab people, and Bush just looks weak. A clever PR stunt.
I wish we had a good response. I don’t think we do, as I’m not even certain we have any men like Thomas Jefferson or Tom Paine who advocate can articulate American values.
I don’t like the guy. I don’t like what the guy says. I don’t like the direction Iran is going.
But in a way it is encouraging to see this nation trying to build it’s own tanks and other equipment. Rather than simply relying upon other nations, they are building up their own industry.
I just wish they were building automobiles or refrigerators instead of tanks.
Halffasthero
Ouch!!! I felt that shot all the way over here in the Midwest. :)
The Other Steve
What do you propose we do about it? Invade, and guarantee that those young people also hate us as well as their dear leader?
Believe me, I wish that were not so. I mean, we’re struggling ourselves back home trying to keep Republicans from hanging our homosexuals and limiting the freedoms of our women.
Frankly, I’d prefer it if every nation had a good standard of human rights.
But it’s difficult to articulate for that abroad, when we’re fighting the same battle back home still.
Defense Guy
I honestly don’t know. I will tell you in all sincerity that I believe it will be war.
A little over the top, don’t you think? They really do kill their undesirables. We have conversations about whether we should expand the historical definition of marriage to include gays or what limits might be acceptable on abortion. The chasm between the us and them on these issues is as wide as can be.
Rusty Shackleford
YES! One of my favorite skits of all time.
Davebo
I dunno but watching two guys scream that the other is an EVILDOER!!! doesn’t sound like much fun to me.
Davebo
That said, Defense Guys suggestion of having Cheney debate him isn’t a bad idea at all.
Richard 23
Defense Guy was obviously making fun of our fine Vice President by suggesting that the Iranian President should go hunting with him.
ThymeZone
And why do we? Marriage is an institution of the church. Why is our government meddling with it? You support this meddling?
srv
You sound like that Chihahua in Mars Attacks! Why are you always testing my range, how many damn datapoints does your scatter plot need, Einstein?
I’ve given up on Osama, since he’s not a priority to your party anymore.
And I’d go as far as y’all have gone with the Saudi’s, who do the same things every day of the week. But we don’t hear you whine about that:
Americans just have opinions now, not values. That’s why the Iranians will win.
Mac Buckets
The President does not debate evildoers.
It elevates them to the same stature as us “evil-don’ters.”
We must not enstaturate the enemies of free-itude.
srv
Mac, you must have had an episode. I don’t know what to say.
Vlad
I would just like to state my belief that this debate would be the single greatest thing in the history of ever.
Also, my money’s on the man with the beard.
Punchy
Bush should take on this Persian. He should do it in front of a huge crowd. A huge mass of people. A mass debate. The headline would be classic:
“Iranian President mass debates with some Bush”
Maybe all of Europe would then want a crack at debating Cheney, in which case the Guardian headline screams:
“Everyone wants to mass debate with right hand…man…in the US”
chopper
from what i’ve read, virtually every liberal on earth supports ahmadinejad. it’s all here in this pamphlet.
Bombadil
Cue Santa Claus….
srv
Did Totten write it?
chopper
how’d you guess?
mrmobi
TOS:
Amen, TOS. But if they don’t behave, there is really only one option, and that is nuclear annihilation. We must vaporize them over there before they can vaporize us over here. Don’t worry about the radiation, it will only hurt the evil-doers.
Republican foreign policy: shoot them in the face, then nuke them from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.
mrmobi
Srv, we were just trying to have a civil conversation in the other thread while it was being Darrelled all to hell.
I don’t agree with Defense Guy about much, but at least he’s decent enough to admit it when he’s wrong, something Darrell would never, ever do. (Because he’s not, and all of you are a bunch of limousine liberal scum)
Darrell
You know, one of the ugliest aspects of leftist ideology are their moral equivalencies. Despicable really.
Sstarr
Will GW get to use the mystery remote control device? You know, the one that created the lump under his jacket during the presidential debate?
Richard 23
Darrell said:
Off topic, but I couldn’t agree more.
Defense Guy
Nope. Not even a little.
Dug Jay
Richard 23 :
One assumes he means “cat.”
DougJ
How naive. That’s how they’re going to destroy us — with refrigerators and automobiles.
jaime
But I thought it was leftist ideology to act as the world’s policeman? At least that’s what conservatives called it was when Clinton was president and Sean Hannity and Michael Moore’s criticism of Kosovo were indistinguishable.
Richard 23
So Dug Jay likes pie too? How very nice!
This experimental greasemonkey script (antitroll.pie.js) works great!
ThymeZone
Good. Agreement already.
What shall we tackle next?
CaseyL
I would pay major money to see a debate between Ahmadinejad and Bush.
If they were allowed to bring weapons into the room, I’d be even happier. With any amount of luck, they’d kill each other, and the world would instantly become a Much Better Place.
ThymeZone
I think you might be referring to this
demimondian
Is it up on hedonistlab?
Pb
Someone did, because here it is! That’s Google’s cache of it at least, I had trouble getting to the original which is supposedly here.
Perry Como
Maybe…
The Disenfranchised Voter
LOL!
The Other Steve
So it comes down to this?
We may be evil, but we’re not quite as evil as those guys, so we’re justified in bombing them.
Wouldn’t it be better if we could argue that we have a very fair standard with regards to human rights. That is, everone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? All men are created equal? All that jazz.
Or do the words just not have any meaning?
It’s just so hard to take seriously a Republican complaining about Iran not having a good record on homosexual and woman’s rights.
mrmobi
Perry Como:
You may be dead, but that is one hell of a great script. Imagine not seeing any of the regular sprew from Gruppenfuhrer any more. Thanks.
Oh, I like pie, too!
mrmobi
I made up a new word, “sprew.” It’s like spew, but pronounced by an asian person.
metalgrid
Especially when we can see first hand what happens to gays and women in a nation where we’ve been involved first hand in the formulation of their constitution and training their military. I think gays got a better deal in Germany under Paragraph 175 when Americans freed them from the Nazis than they got when Americans brought them freedom in Iraq.
Bombadil
Is this a Firefox-only dealie, or is it supposed to work with IE, too? I have the original one loaded and working fine, but this one doesn’t seem to do anything.
Krista
I decided not to install the greasemonkey script. It was tempting, very tempting, but I figure maybe it’ll be good for me to be able to experience that temptation to respond, and then turn away from it. That, and I access this site from a few different computers, and just can’t be arsed to install scripts on each one.
Tulkinghorn
For those of us who would like some pie but are too retarded to know how to upload it into firefox, could someone knowledgeable drop a link to wherever it is that explains how to install such java magic?
Or am I, for the sin of ignorance, compelled live without such conveniences?
Bombadil
I decided to install it on the two main computers I use because I decided to remove the temptation to respond, since responding is as effective as shouting down a well. At this point, I doubt there would be anything worthwhile to read, and if there is, I can click on the hidden post to see it.
“Arsed”? “Arse” is a verb?
Vlad
“Because he’s not, and all of you are a bunch of limousine liberal scum”
I don’t have my limousine yet. How long will I need to wait before the all-consuming welfare state provides me with one?
Bombadil
I’m not a limousine liberal, myself. I’m more of a crunchy-granola tree-hugger liberal, so I drive my own hybrid.
So far, though, I’ve managed to avoid the Birkenstocks.
John S.
Me either. I opted to install a sort of greasemonkey script in my brain, which a find to be far more foolproof.
demimondian
Ergh. Bombadil, there’s a way to make the script work via IE, but it’s quite a bit more complicated. Sometime in the next few days, someone from the Kak front pagers will post something over there with the details.
Bombadil
Demimondian —
Certainly no hurry. The “critical” script is installed and working properly (although Reify does seem to cause some minor script-related annoyances on some sites). The second script is, if I understand what it does, for amusment purposes only.
Krista
Bombadil – it probably isn’t a verb, but I don’t care. I think I first saw it used that way in a Marian Keyes novel, and was completely enchanted with the expression.
Bombadil
Certainly other parts of the anatomy have been used as verbs (to foot [e.g., the bill], to hand [off], to knee, to eyeball, etc.), but this is the first time I’ve seen this one. From context it seems to mean “to be bothered [to]”, correct? How’d that come about, I wonder?
demimondian
Bombadil — my educated guess is that it’s probably a corruption of “get off your arse and” [do something].
ats
Enough with the BS about the Bush’s back bulge being a transmitter-receiver. I know a “Camelback” when I see one. He turned to this when Laura took away his hollow binoculars.
ThymeZone
I think it’s an attempt to write deeply colloquial speech. “Arsed” is really “ahssed” which is really “asked” at the profoundly colloquial level.
I don’t think it’s about a body part, it’s about trying to spell out a swallowed pronunciation.
ThymeZone
I think I want to substitute “idiomatic” for “colloquial” in my previous post.
But anyway, that’s certainly what it is, not a body part.
mrmobi
If you who have installed the script you should go and look at some earlier threads. It scrubs Gruppenfuhrer completely, except for any block quoting.
If people stop responding to his lies, it will be just like a sincere dessert lover came in to let us all know what he likes.
Come to think of it, I feel much more relaxed today.
One thing is clear, Darrell really, really likes pie.
Krista
demi – Probably. Ah, the joys of context, and the fluidity of the English language.
Anyway, back to work. I have to print off 50 event invitations and stupid Publisher doesn’t have a template that will allow me to print on all four surfaces of a top-folding tent card, so I have to rejigger it manually (print, flip, print, rotate, print, flip, and so on and so forth…) Joy.
Krista
Thymezone –
Nothing I write has any sort of depth. You should know that by now…geez.
ThymeZone
Well I didn’t mean you, I meant the author you got it from.
vetiver
I think it’s an attempt to write deeply colloquial speech. “Arsed” is really “ahssed” which is really “asked” at the profoundly colloquial level.
I don’t think it’s about a body part, it’s about trying to spell out a swallowed pronunciation.
Actually, no. It is indeed a body part, and the idiom means, “I can’t be bothered” — nothing to do with asked or asking.
Brits seem to have a penchant for using body-part nouns as verbs, as well as a more generous notion of what body parts may be mentioned in public, as in “shut it, you c*nting c*nt!” Shocking to USAians but apparently something of a tender endearment over there.
So tricky, these idioms. While in a pub with a friend one afternoon, I was animatedly (okay, drunkenly) describing my ill-fated attempts to get my brother to do something he didn’t want to do and concluded, “So finally, I just blew him off.” Pubwide consternation (and some troubling interest) at this announcement that I’d fellated my sibling. Further linguistic advice for the lady foreigner: Do not be alarmed when the gentleman at the little B&B asks you when you want to be knocked up. And even if you’ve just spent six hours on the A-whatever stuffed into the wrong side of some crappy soup-can car, do not announce to your potential in-laws that you can’t even feel your fanny anymore.
(Sorry, Krista, I know you’re a fellow North American but y’all did stick with the Brits much longer….)
Bombadil
Thanks for the link, vetiver.
Man, I love this language!