The Sad Case of Deb Frisch

Via the Instapundit, I see that Deb Frisch is in trouble for stalking and other charges:

The saga of Deborah Frisch, long-time comment troll and all-around kook, took another troubling, but not exactly unforeseeable turn in the last 48 hours. As far as we know, she is now the first troll of the political blogosphere to face criminal charges relating to such activity. On August 21 she was arraigned in an Oregon courtroom on charges of stalking and telephone harassment (PDF).

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According to Don’t Hire Deb, a blog devoted to documenting Frisch’s outrageous behavior while depriving her own site of traffic, Frisch posted either $4,000 bail or $400 to a bondsman and must reappear in court on September 25th. As is speculated in DHD comments and elsewhere, this likely stems not from Frisch’s well-publicized Jeff Goldstein-related misadventures (to the best of our knowledge she’s never called him) but rather, similar interactions with former colleagues at University of Oregon (where she was denied tenure in 1994 and served as an adjunct until July 2001) including calling, emailing, and a quickly-removed post to her blog.

If you have not followed the whole saga, you can click the link above and find an abundance of pieces detailing what happened. My take on the whole matter- what she said about Goldstein’s child was vile and contemptible, and for that, she deserves our scorn. However, it is abundantly clear to me that she has a number of mental problems, and I don’t like the glee I see in many of the posts flaming her. She is a sad character, and she needs our sympathy and our help- not to be poked, prodded, and taunted.

And that is all I have to say on the matter, and I won’t be following the issue anymore. Leave the poor woman alone, no matter how she lashes out at people. Hopefully, she will one day get over her problems, regret what she has done, and come to terms with her behavior and once again take up a productive role in society.






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  1. 1

    And that is all I have to say on the matter, and I won’t be following the issue anymore. Leave the poor woman alone, no matter how she lashes out at people. Hopefully, she will one day get over her problems, regret what she has done, and come to terms with her behavior and once again take up a productive role in society.

    It wasn’t really worth saying anything about.

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    Pb says:

    Agreed. From all accounts, Deb Frisch sounds like a nut with some serious issues, which is probably what drew her to Jeff Goldstein in the first place–they have so much in common in that respect.

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    Ancient Purple says:

    Hopefully, she will one day get over her problems, regret what she has done, and come to terms with her behavior and once again take up a productive role in society.

    I guess it would be fruitless to wish the same for Jeff Goldstein.

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    Cyrus says:

    My take on the whole matter- what she said about Goldstein’s child was vile and contemptible, and for that, she deserves our scorn. However, it is abundantly clear to me that she has a number of mental problems, and I don’t like the glee I see in many of the posts flaming her. She is a sad character, and she needs our sympathy and our help- not to be poked, prodded, and taunted.

    I am impressed. I didn’t expect this.

  5. 5

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    Andrew says:

    Whereas, it’s totally cool to threaten people with dick slapping their faces and ass rape canines.

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    Krista says:

    My take on the whole matter- what she said about Goldstein’s child was vile and contemptible, and for that, she deserves our scorn. However, it is abundantly clear to me that she has a number of mental problems, and I don’t like the glee I see in many of the posts flaming her. She is a sad character, and she needs our sympathy and our help- not to be poked, prodded, and taunted.

    From the short amount of time I’ve spent at PW, it seems that a lot of the commenters there think that the sun shines out of Goldstein’s ass, and are pretty vehement (if not vicious) when defending their hero. It struck me as being a bit creepy. (Whereas you, you poor bugger, have your commenters constantly busting your chops…)

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    Paul L. says:

    Hopefully, she will one day get over her problems, regret what she has done, and come to terms with her behavior and once again take up a productive role in society.

    I guess it would be fruitless to wish the same for Jeff Goldstein.

    Perhaps if the democrats win in 2006/2008. You guy will lobby to use one of the left’s favorite tools: the re-education camp on Jeff Goldstein or Me.

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    jamrat says:

    Feel the love!

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    John S. says:

    You guy will lobby to use one of the left’s favorite tools: the re-education camp on Jeff Goldstein or Me.

    I doubt it, Paul. Re-education implies that one can be educated in the first place. I haven’t seen any evidence of this in either you or Goldstein.

  11. 11

    Threatening children is nothing compared to what Bushco and the Zionists have done. Because of the evilness of Bushitler, we can do whatever we want as self-defense, including threats to 2-year olds whose parents are libertarian/conservative.

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    Ancient Purple says:

    You guy will lobby to use one of the left’s favorite tools: the re-education camp on Jeff Goldstein or Me.

    Wow. Criticize Goldstein and they crawl out of the woodwork to display their sycophantic loyalty.

    I guess a thousand flowers are now blooming on Mount Goldsteinia.

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    Par R says:

    She is a sad character, and she needs our sympathy and our help- not to be poked, prodded, and taunted.

    Baloney! That’s the sort pf PC/liberal claptrap that usually surfaces when a complete jerk such as Ms. Frisch enters the scene. While undoubtedly true that she is indeed a “sad character,” she in no way warrants sympathy from me, or, in my opinion, anyone else other than lefties who always have sympathy for the most disgusting of people, provided they are “on the correct side of issues.”

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    Darleen says:

    I amazed at the “ok, what Deb said was bad but Jeff deserved it” line I keep seeing repeated.

    Damn, people, did your lose your moral compass or were you just born that way?

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    Paul L. says:

    I doubt it, Paul. Re-education implies that one can be educated in the first place. I haven’t seen any evidence of this in either you or Goldstein.

    I was not going the mention another lefty favorite, the death camp because that would be judging/demonizing you guys too harshly. But you asked for it. Afterall Lefties love Purges.

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    neil says:

    Now that it’s obvious that Deb Frisch has been hurt by Deb Frisch’s actions far more than anyone else has, hopefully people can just drop it.

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    Cyrus says:

    Paul L. Says:

    I was not going the mention another lefty favorite, the death camp because that would be judging/demonizing you guys too harshly. But you asked for it. Afterall Lefties love Purges.

    Oh no, are you the type who thinks Nazis were leftists? We’ve got a live one here!

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    Darleen says:

    BTW

    People on PW and even Deb’s blog have been urging her to check herself into a psychiatric center.

    However, absent she taking that solid advice (which would also help ameliorate her legal problems) then Jeff was wise to seek the R/O. Sometimes it takes the legal system to force people to change their behavior.

    I don’t care how “sick” Deb is; she is a real, potential threat to the safety of others. Bars or bed, she needs to be restrained.

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    Darleen says:

    Cyrus

    Maybe he was thinking “Stalin”, the tip-top mass murderer of the 20th century and Hitler’s bosom buddy before Hitler got greedy.

    The far left and the far right are united in their totalitarian impulses.

    see: Islamism and its apologists in the contemporary American far Left.

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    Ancient Purple says:

    Afterall Lefties love Purges.

    Yeah. Look what we did in Alaska yesterday with Murkowski.

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    brett says:

    For God’s sake, she is a grown woman and is responsible for her actions. She deserves no sympathy whatsoever. Nice comment section you have here. Full of real winners, eager to morally equivocate between victim and aggressor.

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    John Cole says:

    For God’s sake, she is a grown woman and is responsible for her actions. She deserves no sympathy whatsoever. Nice comment section you have here. Full of real winners, eager to morally equivocate between victim and aggressor.

    Some of you have the strangest grasp of the English language that it now makes total sense that I am always misunderstood. I have not looked sympathy up lately in many different dictionaries, but it never, to my understanding, meant that you don’t hold people accountable for their actions. It means that you have a shred of compassion for a fellow human being who is obviously deeply and seriously disturbed.

    Of course you hold her accountable for her actions, but to not be able to show her sympathy, and to think the appropriate course of action is to lash out at her, make a spectacle of her, use her as the foundation for your impression of all Democrats, and to, worst of all, take some sort of pleasure from it, makes you about a step below your average everyday barnyard animal.

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    John S. says:

    Oh no, are you the type who thinks Nazis were leftists? We’ve got a live one here!

    Meet Paul L.

    He’s a very special boy.

    Never mind that fascism is the extreme end of the RIGHT side of the political spectrum…because Paul has little use for silly things like facts.

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    neil says:

    Well, John, it’s once in a blue moon that an actual Leftist can be found who conforms at all to the bizarre stereotypes of Darrell & Co., so you can hardly be surprised that they want to put her on a pedestal.

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    A lot of us over at Protein Wisdom speculated that Frisch was suffering from either a substance-abuse problem or a mental illness. A number of us commented that we hoped she’d get help. A number of us commented directly to her that she ought to seek help. But none that I remember was willing to excuse what she’d done simply because she may have done it while not in her right mind.

    I’d have a kind of “sympathy” for anyone troubled enough to threaten or commit harm to a blogger’s child because the blogger’s commenters were rude to her, simply because that level of disturbedness ought to awaken in all of us an abiding (if theoretical) pity for the disturbed. But my sympathy does not extend to ignoring the potential threat, and Jeff and many of his commenters apparently agreed: if someone is disturbed enough to threaten a toddler, it does not follow that that person is not disturbed enough not to follow through on the threat. People who contemplate violent acts have a whole lot bigger chance of committing them than people who never contemplate them at all, or even those who satirize them (for those who consider “dick-slapping” a potential violent act rather than a silly insult).

    You could argue that the most dangerous person is the one who contemplates violence secretly, because you get no warning signs before the escalation to violent acts – but the Internet throws in that often spurious sense of anonymity that’s so tempting to so many of us, so I think Jeff was doing what was necessary to respond to a threat the seriousness of which he couldn’t accurately evaluate.

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    I amazed at the “ok, what Deb said was bad but Jeff deserved it” line I keep seeing repeated.

    The only person who has claimed Jeff deserved it is you.

    Or would you like to provide a link to substantiate your ridiculous claim?

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    Common Sensical says:

    Fascism was the extreem right of far left socialism. Hitler was only slighly less evil than Stalin in terms of murder (12 million vs. 60 million murdered), and only slightly right of the worst slave regime in history, the Communists in the USSR. To equate National Socialism with American conservativism or libertarianism is very old propaganda from far left communists, who also labeled Trotskyist communists as fascists and “right wing.” Shame on you for implying it for their horrible ignorence about the crimes of national socialism and communism. And shame on anyone here that besmirchs the right of free speech in reporting the actions of Dr. Deb Frisch, a clearly dangerous psychopath. These bloggers are doing a public service, and some “liberals” here choose to slam that. I think it says more about them than anything.

  28. 28

    A lot of us over at Protein Wisdom speculated that Frisch was suffering from either a substance-abuse problem or a mental illness. A number of us commented that we hoped she’d get help. A number of us commented directly to her that she ought to seek help. But none that I remember was willing to excuse what she’d done simply because she may have done it while not in her right mind.

    Wow, the War on Strawmen is raised to a whole new level.

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    WHY WON’T YOU DIE!?

    says the man to the strawman

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    Common Sensical says:

    Ignoring that Jeff’s comment was made in jest, to “cock slap” and adult is clearly revolting, but no where as revolting and morally wrong as threatening molestation and murder on a 2-year old child.

    A 2-year old child would undestand that. People who clearly hate Jeff do not.

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    Pb says:

    Darleen? Darrell has a sister now?

  32. 32
    John S. says:

    Wow, the War on Strawmen is raised to a whole new level.

    Well, a lot of those folks over at Protein Wisdom…

  33. 33
    John S. says:

    Ignoring that Jeff’s comment was made in jest, to “cock slap”

    If only all of Jeff’s ridiculous antics were made in jest…

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    Ancient Purple says:

    Make that 2,000 flowers now blooming on Mount Goldsteinia.

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    Paul L. says:

    Oh no, are you the type who thinks Nazis were leftists? We’ve got a live one here!
    Never mind that fascism is the extreme end of the RIGHT side of the political spectrum…because Paul has little use for silly things like facts.

    Nazi National Socialist German Workers Party. Yep sounds right-wing to me.
    But in the spirit of compromise instead of using death camp how about using Gulag instead? You know what Sen Durban said Gitmo is.

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    Andrew says:

    Geez, I really have to apologize to Jeff.

    He totally could have meant that he would “cock slap” in a loving, carressing manner, while respecting the inherent human dignity of the cock-slapee.

    Who am I to impugn the the motives of such an dignified gentleman?

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    TallDave says:

    it is abundantly clear to me that she has a number of mental problems, and I don’t like the glee I see in many of the posts flaming her. She is a sad character, and she needs our sympathy and our help- not to be poked, prodded, and taunted.

    I agree. Deb obviously bears no responsibility for her vile actions, and should not be personally criticized for them. In addition, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi clearly have/had mental problems as well, so please extend also them our sympathy and our help rather than taunting, prodding, and firing missiles at them. Let’s all try to be the better man!

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    neil says:

    Isn’t it refreshing to be misconstrued and attacked by the righties for a change, John?

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    T says:

    Threats to murder and molest don’t deserve empathy or compassion. Especially when directed at toddlers.

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    T says:

    I’m getting it now…

    “Attacked” = disagree?

    “Disagree” = threats to murder or molest a child?

    Makes sense…

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    neil says:

    I used to think it was glib to say that Jesus, if he were around today, would be called a terrorist-sympathizing weak-kneed appeaser. But there you go.

  42. 42
    neil says:

    Threats to murder and molest don’t deserve empathy or compassion.

    So you think that the whole ‘cock slap’ thing is out of line, too?

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    John S. says:

    Ah, the triumphant return of TallDave.

    We really missed your brand of stupidity around here. And boy, it didn’t take long for a few of you righties to all get together and erect a giant strawman called “lefties think it’s ok for people to threaten bodily harm to toddlers”.

    Now all dance around your giant strawman. And don’t forget to set that fucker on fire on your way out.

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    John S. says:

    Nazi National Socialist German Workers Party. Yep sounds right-wing to me.

    Yeah, it sure does:

    In both popular thought and academic scholarship, Nazism is generally considered a form of fascism – with “fascism” defined so as to include any of the authoritarian, nationalist, totalitarian, and right-wing movements that developed in Europe around the same time.

    Any other bright ideas, Paul?

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    kaiserD says:

    wow, John S., sounds like you’re the one erecting strawmen around here- anything to hide your love for Deb F., it seems…

  46. 46
    kaiserD says:

    yeah, throw in a wiki-link, that definitely strengthens your argument…

  47. 47

    Ignoring that Jeff’s comment was made in jest, to “cock slap” and adult is clearly revolting, but no where as revolting and morally wrong as threatening molestation and murder on a 2-year old child.

    Oh man. I didn’t know the cock slap thing was made in jest. Clearly then, this makes it totally ok.

    Not at all like joking about doing something to someone’s kid. I mean, that’s a hanging offense. We should totally destroy this woman’s life because she dared to make such a joke, even if she didn’t really mean any threat by it.

    I just want to thank you all for clearing up this confusing issue for all of us people here at BJ. Thank you!

  48. 48

    Threats to murder and molest don’t deserve empathy or compassion. Especially when directed at toddlers.

    Absolutely.

    This is not at all comparable to threatening to cock slap someone and otherwise acting in a crude children whiney manner.

  49. 49

    Oops. I mean crude, childish whining manner.

    Ohwell you understand. It’s not at all comparable.

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    I agree. Deb obviously bears no responsibility for her vile actions, and should not be personally criticized for them.

    What the fuck kind of shit is this?

    Deb should not only be criticized, we should threaten to molest her own child! It’s the only way to make sure she gets the point.

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    Fatmouse says:

    “So you think that the whole ‘cock slap’ thing is out of line, too?”

    The tendency for the left to instantly whip out the tu quoque idiocy is their greatest weakness. It terminates the ability for self-criticism, vital to self-improvement.

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    Blue Neponset says:

    Hopefully, she will one day get over her problems, regret what she has done, and come to terms with her behavior and once again take up a productive role in society.

    I feel the same way about Jeff Goldstein. He is kind of an easy target. As a result it isn’t as much fun to read lefty bloggers making fun of him.

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    Staci says:

    Uh, the problem here is the latest arraignment has NOTHING to do with Jeff. Apparently, it is someone in Oregon.

    We have a site that is bipartisan. I don’t care if she is right or left, she is not right. And she DID get a lot of advice from LAWYERS.

    It’s a shame you guys can’t take off your partisan glasses and see this for what it is. She went into Jeff’s place and fucked up. He didn’t seek her out. It took accusations of Jeff molesting her son ALL OVER THE PLACE to make Jeff do something.

    Apparently, harassing is her MO. And she does it everywhere. She doesn’t discriminate either. She dropped her fair share of bombs over at Sadly No directed towards them. So get your facts straight.

  54. 54

    I feel the same way about Jeff Goldstein. He is kind of an easy target. As a result it isn’t as much fun to read lefty bloggers making fun of him.

    Jeff Goldstein is a HERO! If not for his blogging might, the United States would be overrun by Islamofascists!

    When you go to bed tonight, you should pray to the almighty in thanks for the Jeff Goldsteins of the world who stand ready at those keyboards prepared to protect you and your family!

  55. 55

    Apparently, harassing is her MO. And she does it everywhere. She doesn’t discriminate either. She dropped her fair share of bombs over at Sadly No directed towards them. So get your facts straight.

    Absolutely right!

    And that is why it is so important for us to all wish Deb harm, and harrass the hell out of her.

    Look, we didn’t ask for this. It was thrust upon us. She’s the one who made us do it!

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    kaiserD says:

    those who use the chickenhawk argument tend to be the most cowardly and hypocritcal of all. go figure!

  57. 57
    John S. says:

    wow, John S., sounds like you’re the one erecting strawmen around here- anything to hide your love for Deb F., it seems

    Super strawman power! Thanks for making my point, or perhaps you could find a single word written by me in defense of the woman. No?

    yeah, throw in a wiki-link, that definitely strengthens your argument…

    When it comes to edumacating idiots like yourself and Paul as to the actual nature of the Nazis, yes it does come in handy.

    Now go crawl back to Protein Wisdom where you and your reading incomprehension belong.

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    John S. says:

    The tendency for the left to instantly whip out the tu quoque idiocy is their greatest weakness. It terminates the ability for self-criticism, vital to self-improvement.

    The tendency for the right to instantly whip out the hasty generalization fallacy is their greatest weakness. It terminates the ability for dealing with individuals, vital to having an actual discussion.

    We can keep this nonsense up all night…

  59. 59
    John S. says:

    Apparently, harassing is her MO. And she does it everywhere. She doesn’t discriminate either. She dropped her fair share of bombs over at Sadly No directed towards them.

    If it weren’t for the usage of feminine pronouns, it would be impossible to tell if you were referring to Frisch or Goldstein.

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    kaiserD says:

    just what i thought, nothing in your rhetorical arsenal except “strawman” and “chickenhawk”- why don’t you crawl back to 1930s Germany (or 1920s Soviet Union) where your silly, absolutist mindset belongs?

    “We can keep this nonsense up all night…”

    sounds like you have quite a life…

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    those who use the chickenhawk argument tend to be the most cowardly and hypocritcal of all. go figure!

    Absolutely!

    Thank god there are real men here like myself and Jeff Goldblum who are ready able and willing to cock slap a woman when she asks for it.

  62. 62
    kaiserD says:

    oooh, i forgot, you got the moral-equivalency thing going for you too! a bonafide trifecta!

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    John S. says:

    why don’t you crawl back to 1930s Germany

    Good job!

    I knew you couldn’t resist the lure of the Godwin. And obviously, reading that Wiki link I provided earlier would do you good since you seem to be laboring under the delusion that Nazis were leftists.

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    neil says:

    those who use the chickenhawk argument tend to be the most cowardly and hypocritcal of all. go figure!

    And what’s more, a peanut is neither a pea nor a nut!

    I still want to know what’s so objectionable about stating your sympathy for a miserable human being. I’d go so far as to say that anybody who doesn’t have sympathy for her, and hope that she learns how to mend her wicked ways, actually _prefers_ that she _continue_ with her wicked ways, so she can continue to be held up as a model Liberal.

  65. 65

    just what i thought, nothing in your rhetorical arsenal except “strawman” and “chickenhawk”- why don’t you crawl back to 1930s Germany (or 1920s Soviet Union) where your silly, absolutist mindset belongs?

    Absolutely! How dare these pinheads question our divine rhetoric. Who do they think they are?

    When the revolution comes, we will purge them all! We will have a mighty purge, where we eliminate all of these foul thinking people from our society, and send them to the Gulags where they belong!

  66. 66

    oooh, i forgot, you got the moral-equivalency thing going for you too! a bonafide trifecta!

    Thank you Kaiser! If you had not brought it up, I never would have thought of it.

    Seig Heil, brother!

  67. 67
    kaiserD says:

    and…OMG ROFLMAO!!! you actually changed Goldstein’s name to Goldblum- hyterical! so very…Don Rickles of you, you clever man!

  68. 68

    and…OMG ROFLMAO you actually changed Goldstein’s name to Goldblum- hyterical! so very…Don Rickles of you, you clever man!

    Oops. Me bad. I did not mean to defame the wise name of our beloved patron so haphazardly.

  69. 69

    I still want to know what’s so objectionable about stating your sympathy for a miserable human being.

    How dare you! It’s not Jeff Goldstein’s fault that he’s a miserable human being!

    Damn you nasty liberals! Can’t you say anything nice about anybody!?

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    neil says:

    Perhaps you mean, how very Steve Allen of you?

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    Blue Neponset says:

    Why don’t you marry Goldstein kaiserD? You totally love him and you know it.

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    kaiserD says:

    “Thank you Kaiser! If you had not brought it up, I never would have thought of it.”

    that you reek of moral equivalency? sure, no problem Steve.

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    kaiserD says:

    “Perhaps you mean, how very Steve Allen of you?”

    ok. or Geena Davis.

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    kaiserD says:

    “Why don’t you marry Goldstein kaiserD? You totally love him and you know it.”

    oh no! not a homophobic slur! it hurts so bad!

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    neil says:

    Men can’t get married, silly. He was assuming you were a girl.

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    Ancient Purple says:

    Three thousand flowers.

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    kaiserD says:

    “Men can’t get married, silly. He was assuming you were a girl.”

    uh huh.

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    Face says:

    So get your facts straight.

    Is she hot? Is she single? Cuz crazy women are great with kids and stuff, as long as you keep them out of reach of the bathtub.

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    kaiserD says:

    so…only girls can get married? where do you live, Neil?

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    Blue Neponset says:

    Men can’t get married, silly. He was assuming you were a girl.

    They can in Massachusetts, and I know kaiser was a King not a Queen.

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    Dave D says:

    Why did you write this post, John? You had to know it would simply turn into some kind of Goldstein-bashing forum.

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    mrT says:

    Im thinking maybe she choked on her “partner”‘s fur ball, which has lead to oxygen deprivation.

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    Filthy McNasty says:

    Why don’t you marry Goldstein kaiserD? You totally love him and you know it.

    That’s a very grown-up thing to say.

    Is ppGaz still here? Where is ppGaz? I want to know what ppGaz thinks of all this.

    ppGaz? Can you join your classmates here in the nursery school?

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    John S. says:

    You had to know it would simply turn into some kind of Goldstein-bashing forum.

    Really?

    From the looks of things, it would appear as if it has turned into some bizarre form of Goldstein hero-worship.

    Ah, but what kind of perspective can we expect from a blogger who puts Matt Drudge under “News” alongside CNN and The Washington Post?

  85. 85
    Dustbin Of History says:

    But Goldstein bashing is so fun!

    P.S. The National Socialist German Workers Party was about as socialist and for the workers as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a democracy for the people.

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    kaiserD says:

    “bizarre form”? “hero-worship”? really, John S? or perhaps merely a defense of someone whose “cock-slapping” jokes on his own blog is considered morally equivalent to the kind of harrassing and stalking that brings criminal charges…

    i could give a rat’s ass where YOU get your news from. but what exactly inspires your sense ethics and judgement?

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    Ancient Purple says:

    P.S. The National Socialist German Workers Party was about as socialist and for the workers as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a democracy for the people.

    PLEASE stop using facts. They confuse our guests from PW.

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    kaiserD says:

    sense of

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    Richard 23 says:

    Uh, the problem here is the latest arraignment has NOTHING to do with Jeff. Apparently, it is someone in Oregon.

    We have a site that is bipartisan.

    Who’s “we?” Do you have a turd in your pocket?

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    Perry Como says:

    I knew this thread would turn fun once the Bukkake Logic folks got ahold of it. The stupidity is just oozing from the pixels.

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    SBH says:

    This troubled woman has a long, long, history of harassment and distasteful behavior and (wait for it…) she’s been employed as an educator!! I’m sick of watching what passes for normal behavior in academia these days. The very idea that she is teaching psychology and has held a government job in the sciences is what made this a universal subject to me. She’s the current poster-child for the academic who couldn’t use the simplest of logic to fight their way out of a paper bag. I think this is the reason her sad story is relevant to a wider audience. Check out her posts on academic listserves. Even they don’t want her brand of nonsense and yet, she stayed employed in the academic world until she screwed up bad enough to draw notice from papers all over the world! As a former academic myself, I welcome the scrutiny.

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    John S. says:

    or perhaps merely a defense of someone whose “cock-slapping” jokes on his own blog is considered morally equivalent to the kind of harrassing and stalking that brings criminal charges…

    You sure do love your strawmen.

    Considered morally equivalent by whom? The phantom liberals in your head? Threatening to do bodily harm to a toddler is not cool. Frisch is obviously a troubled woman, and I hope she gets help.

    That said, Jeff being on the recieving end of nastiness doesn’t excuse him for the bile he spews – whether on his blog or not. Conversely, Goldstein being an asshole doesn’t excuse Frisch’s behavior. See how that works, genius?

    People are responsible for their own actions. Period. Nothing morally equivalent about it.

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    kaiserD says:

    “People are responsible for their own actions. Period. Nothing morally equivalent about it.”

    exactly my stance, you tool. looks like you’re finally coming around. took you long enough.

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    Big Man says:

    Ancient Purple: keen observation, facts and all.

    Dustbin of history: Nothing like accusing Nazi’s of semantic engineering. We all see the extent of your knowledge and use of simile. Then again, false cause arguments and the king of illogic.
    John S: Angry boy and last word freak. Get an education so you can know what social orders are and are not. Then you will know what is and is not left-wing. Can’t wait for your retort. You don’t have the will to just let it lie but just to lie.

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    anonymous (dammit) says:

    If Dr. Frisch did not exist, I have no doubt that Mr. Goldstein would have had to invent her. (And it will be interesting to see what JG (ABD) gins up next to fill
    the “tip jar.”

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    EasyLiving says:

    Why are you people here? Why are you reading this? Why do you write this crap? For whom?

    Just do it the old fashioned, manual way and not the new, mental way: it takes more lube but it’s easier on the nerves.

    You people are pathetic. All of you.

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    benrand says:

    “The National Socialist German Workers Party was about as socialist and for the workers as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a democracy for the people.”

    Soooo, the Neo-Cons hate themselves, self-hating big-business Jewish leaders ready to kill themselves in the name of Islam?

    “The Nazis’ strongest appeal was to the lower middle-class – farmers, public servants, teachers, small businessmen – who had suffered most from the inflation of the 1920s and who feared Bolshevism more than anything else. The small business class were receptive to Hitler’s anti-Semitism, since they blamed “Jewish big business” for their economic problems.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist

    Ah, another attempt at linkage between Hitler and the Jewish-run Neo Con Republicans fails, yet again…

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    Krista says:

    Hm. This is news to me. I certainly wasn’t aware that hoping for the recovery and rehabilitation of a sick individual automatically equalled condoning…nay, applauding their actions.

    Deb Frisch needs help, and it’s one thing to condemn her actions. It’s quite another to try to destroy her life while singing the praises of your boy-hero.

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    Richard 23 says:

    exactly my stance, you tool.

    Reread your comments, kaiserD. You never even hinted at your brave and principled stance. You could have saved us a lot of time by stating it in the first place rather than throwing feces throughout this comment thread. But then you seem to be a part of the cockslap commentariot so it’s really no surprise that you’re an obtuse poo flinger.

    Bukkake Wisdom is truly blessed to have a commenter as wise and good natured as you.

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    Larv says:

    Not being a general reader of PW, I hadn’t previously had any sympathy whatsoever for Deb Frisch. But if this batch of wingnuts that’s showed up on this thread is at all representative of the commentariat there, I’m beginning to understand her a little bit. This kind of crap could drive anyone insane. Look, for all of you whining about the moral relativism of the left – I have yet to see anyone here or at any of the other lefty blogs I read defend Frisch. She’s a nut, and she seems to be a mean one to boot. But her crimes, such as they are, simply don’t merit the level of vitriol directed against her. Do any of you really believe that her most infamous comment was really meant as a threat, rather than a cruel and incredibly distasteful jibe? She seems like a fairly disturbed and unwell person, and to that degree deserves sympathy. To the degree that her behavior is not the result of being unbalanced and is just reflective of her being an ass, she doesn’t. A little from column A, a little from column B. Lest you think I’m being partisan, I can think of quite a few people on the right I think are also quite disturbed and in need of help and sympathy.

    Also: Seriously, people. Claiming that the Nazis were leftists because they had the word “Socialist” in their name is extremely silly. Please tell me you realize this.

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    Larv says:

    Big Man,

    Was that a comment or some weird type of beat poetry? You might want to try this new grammatical innovation called the sentence. It’s surpisingly helpful in making oneself understood.

    Benrand,

    Soooo, the Neo-Cons hate themselves, self-hating big-business Jewish leaders ready to kill themselves in the name of Islam?

    ???
    I don’t even know where to start here. What in hell are you on about?

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    However, it is abundantly clear to me that she has a number of mental problems, and I don’t like the glee I see in many of the posts flaming her. She is a sad character, and she needs our sympathy and our help- not to be poked, prodded, and taunted.

    We are all innocent until proven crazy.

    Hmm, nope. Doesn’t really resonate with me.

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    Also: Seriously, people. Claiming that the Nazis were leftists because they had the word “Socialist” in their name is extremely silly. Please tell me you realize this.

    Yes, there are distinct differences. Nazism was race-based and rooted in the mythic German past. Socialism is class-based and is usually directed towards the bright, shimmering future. For this and other reasons, socialism out-slaughtered Nazism nearly ten-fold in the 20th Century, without losing nearly as many supporters in the educated Western Left.

    FWIW, Stalin forbade calling Nazis “National Socialists” or even Nazis, insisting that they be inaccurately called fascists, instead. So he was certainly wary of guilt by association.

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    John S. says:

    Big man likes haiku.
    It frees his words from grammar.
    Words that make no sense.

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    canuckistani says:

    Hopefully, she will one day get over her problems, regret what she has done, and come to terms with her behavior and once again take up a productive role in society.

    I guess it would be fruitless to wish the same for Jeff Goldstein.

    You never know. Maybe someone will invent medicated paste.

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    Ancient Purple says:

    Four thousand flowers blooming on Mount Goldsteinia and counting.

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    anonymous (dammit) says:

    The German Nazi party was, among many things, fiercely anti-Communist.

    This position accounted for much of their American support in the 1930s.

    So, you can stop re-writing history, portraying Hitler as a hippie.

    One more thing: No matter how hard you try, you will not succeed in re-casting FDR & JFK as conservatives.

    Christ, you wingnuts are just sad sometimes.

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    that you reek of moral equivalency? sure, no problem Steve.

    Me? I’m with you bro. I think Goldstein is the greatest human being on this planet, and this Deb is a piece of trash who ought to be thrown in a Gulag for her transgression against the morality of the state.

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    But Goldstein bashing is so fun!

    I wouldn’t know, because I never bash the man I so adore.

    But I get the impression the Goldstein bashing is a bit like eating chinese food. It tastes good, but your hungry an hour after eating.

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    anonymous (dammit) says:

    Fuck yourself, Sandy. Hard and often.

    Then, when you feel like you just can’t take another self-fucking, hire someone to come in and fuck you some more.

    Seriously. You’ve earned it.

    Posted by Jeff G at August 23, 2006 09:10 PM

    There’s your boy, folks, posting at that august conservative think-tank
    AceofSpadesHQ. A paragon of virtue, a prince among men …

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    This troubled woman has a long, long, history of harassment and distasteful behavior and (wait for it…) she’s been employed as an educator!! I’m sick of watching what passes for normal behavior in academia these days. The very idea that she is teaching psychology and has held a government job in the sciences is what made this a universal subject to me. She’s the current poster-child for the academic who couldn’t use the simplest of logic to fight their way out of a paper bag. I think this is the reason her sad story is relevant to a wider audience. Check out her posts on academic listserves. Even they don’t want her brand of nonsense and yet, she stayed employed in the academic world until she screwed up bad enough to draw notice from papers all over the world! As a former academic myself, I welcome the scrutiny.

    Isn’t Jeff Goldstein teach English at a private college?

    And our dear John Cole is also a teacher at a college in West Virginia.

    So you’re defaming our patrons here? It’s not good enough for you to bash on Deb, you also have to bash on the good men who run these blogs?

    Begone with you, rodent troll. Didn’t you mother ever teach you if you can’t say something good about someone, shut your fucking piehole?

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    “The National Socialist German Workers Party was about as socialist and for the workers as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a democracy for the people.”

    Soooo, the Neo-Cons hate themselves, self-hating big-business Jewish leaders ready to kill themselves in the name of Islam?

    Absolutely! I mean if I was reading that sentence, clearly that is the conclusion I would have drawn from it.

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    Hm. This is news to me. I certainly wasn’t aware that hoping for the recovery and rehabilitation of a sick individual automatically equalled condoning…nay, applauding their actions.

    Well clearly. I mean, like duh. You didn’t know that?

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    Why are you people here? Why are you reading this? Why do you write this crap? For whom?

    Just do it the old fashioned, manual way and not the new, mental way: it takes more lube but it’s easier on the nerves.

    You people are pathetic. All of you.

    Yeah man. I’m with you Easy Living.

    All of you people are pathetic!

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    Beej says:

    Have any of you that are excorciating Jeff Goldstein bothered to check the things this woman said about his 2 year old child? You might want to do that before you decide to rant on. Your disagreement with his politics has nothing to do with this issue.

    Incidentially, I don’t believe John Cole ever said that the woman shouldn’t be held responsible for her actions. What he said was that she does not need to be poked, prodded and taunted. Not one of those bears any resemblance to “excused”.

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    Richard 23 says:

    canuckistani:

    You never know. Maybe someone will invent medicated paste.

    Ralph Wiggam as Jeff Golstein: paste eater.

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    Not being a general reader of PW, I hadn’t previously had any sympathy whatsoever for Deb Frisch. But if this batch of wingnuts that’s showed up on this thread is at all representative of the commentariat there, I’m beginning to understand her a little bit.

    Actually, the guys coming over here are really quite tame. Not a single one has threatened to cock slap you, have they?

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    Richard 23 says:

    Goldstein. Whatever.

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    Have any of you that are excorciating Jeff Goldstein bothered to check the things this woman said about his 2 year old child? You might want to do that before you decide to rant on. Your disagreement with his politics has nothing to do with this issue.

    Now I may be wrong, and believe me I’m a big fan of Jeff Goldstein and totally defend him all the time. But from what I’ve been reading in this thread, it appears the point that’s been made here is that whatever this crazy woman said, it still doesn’t excuse the fact that Goldstein is a fucking asshat.

    Now granted, I didn’t say that. Some others have been saying that. I just think it’s unfair of you to try to twist others words around like this.

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    Dustbin Of History says:

    I see Jeff’s been sharing the paste with his readers.

    Nothing like accusing Nazi’s of semantic engineering. We all see the extent of your knowledge and use of simile. Then again, false cause arguments and the king of illogic.

    Shaka! When the walls fell! Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!

    (Seriously, it makes as much sense as what he wrote.)

    Soooo, the Neo-Cons hate themselves, self-hating big-business Jewish leaders ready to kill themselves in the name of Islam?

    No, to reiterate: I was correcting one of your fellow paste-eaters in the assumption that having the words ‘Soclialist Workers’ made the Nazis leftists, which makes as much sense as having the word ‘Republic’ in People’s Republic of China makes Chairman Mao a Republican. I’m not sure where the hell you got your argument from, I suggest putting the peyote down and getting yourself into a detox program ASAP.

    Socialism is class-based and is usually directed towards the bright, shimmering future. For this and other reasons, socialism out-slaughtered Nazism nearly ten-fold in the 20th Century, without losing nearly as many supporters in the educated Western Left.

    You misspelled ‘communism’. Still, I’m feeling charitable, so feel free to give us examples where ‘socialism out-slaughtered Nazism nearly ten-fold’ that doesn’t involve the farked-up disciples of Lenin and Stalin.

    But I get the impression the Goldstein bashing is a bit like eating chinese food. It tastes good, but your hungry an hour after eating.

    I’m thinking more along the lines of LSD in my chow mei fun, where after a few bites I start to wonder why the chicken nuggets are chasing after the snow pea pods with bottles of Elmer’s glue.

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    Richard 23 says:

    Have any of you that are excorciating Jeff Goldstein bothered to check the things this woman said about his 2 year old child?

    Yes, Beej. And Pasty is still a sick freak. So is Deb Frisch. Birds of a feather and all that.

    Don’t force me to link to Wingnut All-Star: Jeff Goldstein (Part I) again.

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    Major John says:

    What an odd set of comments! Somehow a brief mention of this Frisch character’s end-game with the law turns into a bunch of gratuitous jabs at one of the people she harrassed (Jeff Goldstein) and arguments about the place the N.S. occupy on the political spectrum?

    Maybe folks could, you know, attempt to stay on topic? Or not. Not my say so.

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    Richard 23 says:

    Speaking of creepy comments:

    protein wisdom: PROUD MEMBER OF THE ANTITHESIS OF A MERITOCRACY!

    MAY HIS MEDIOCRITY FOREVER REIGN!

    Incidentally, Tim? I touched your sister in her secret places. Lots.

    “Secret Places?” Gosh darn it he’s funny!

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    anonymous (dammit) says:

    Has the 2-year-old child read the good Dr.’s comments?

    If the child is not yet able to read (which I find hard to believe considering his stellar genetic heritage) have the parents read the comments to him/her?

    I think the answer to both questions would be “No,” and I refer you to my first post on this fascinating subject.

    (P.S. to “Easy Living:” If I’m here commenting on this earth-shattering event,
    and you’re here to comment on me commenting on it, are we not both
    “pathetic?” … Jus askin’.)

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    Big Man says:

    Also: Seriously, people. Claiming that the Nazis were leftists because they had the word “Socialist” in their name is extremely silly. Please tell me you realize this

    It is also silly to say that because Nazis were fascists they were conservative. That is a left-wing lie that is part of commie propaganda. Folks, do your research, socialism is a form of government with a specific definition. The Nazis were socialists and leftists. They were also totalitarion, as was the USSR and Cambodia and Cuba, etc. They are not mutually exclusive.

    Socialism only works though strong-arm government tactics of seizing property, limiting ownership, and shooting or imprisoning dissenters and so forth. Same with Communism and Nazism.

    Comparing the US and Bush of being any kind of fascist is really stupid and ignorant and a bastardization of the term. But that is what I expect from the lefties these days. Nonetheless, keep it up . . . once we get a couple of more Supreme Court justices we can really begin the secret plan!!

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    ImJohnGalt says:

    Preparest thyself for ye olde cocke slappe!

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    Dan Pursel says:

    I almost got to the bottom of this thread
    before I got TOTALLY tired of it all.

    All You’All are all fucked up. All You’All.
    Good night All, You’All.
    And, I’m not even Southern. {:^)

    I thought I might learn something.
    Wrong.
    All You’All assholes.

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    capelza says:

    Wow.

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    Big Man says:

    Clearly Goldstein’s cock slap remarks are far too radical for the nice folks here. I think the Oregon authorites arrested the wrong blogger. Release Deb, arrest Jeff. Then, and ONLY then will justice be served.

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    Richard 23 says:

    Big Man, show me where anyone said that Nazis were conservative. Right-wing maybe, but conservative?

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    Richard 23 says:

    commie propaganda

    Haha. I call spoof.

  132. 132
    Richard 23 says:

    Release Deb, arrest Jeff. Then, and ONLY then will justice be served.

    Spoof.

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    capelza says:

    Big Man, quit being such a twat. I know the sublties escape you, but really, you and all your little buddies…go to your rooms.

    As for the original post, John, I agree. She’s a very disturbed woman. It’s sad, but she’ll be dealt with and hopefully get some treatment while she works off whatever punishment she receives.

    THAT said, PW and the commenters there, if the sampling here is any indication…are a few pancakes short of a stack themselves. Yuck.

  134. 134
    Par R says:

    Has anyone else noticed the extraordinary similarities between the writing of Ms. Frisch and that of The Other Steve. I wonder if we’re dealing with another sock puppet??

  135. 135
    Big Man says:

    http://www.olbermannwatch.com/

    Olby in Nazi mask trying to mock O’Reilly the “conservative”

  136. 136
    capelza says:

    Keith has an Olberman Watch? Awesome…he’s arrived! He better watch out, Fox sevurity will come for him…!

  137. 137
    Big Man says:

    Fox sevurity are demons, man.

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    Richard 23 says:

    Fuck yourself, Sandy. Hard and often.

    Then, when you feel like you just can’t take another self-fucking, hire someone to come in and fuck you some more.

    Seriously. You’ve earned it.

    Posted by Jeff G at August 23, 2006 09:10 PM

    Sweet. Pasty is an inspiration to us all.

    Go away Spoof Man.

  139. 139
    capelza says:

    Damn, my typo haunts me. Not demons, just lackeys for the shills and idiots of Fox.

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    Chris says:

    “Keith has an Olberman Watch? Awesome…he’s arrived! He better watch out, Fox sevurity will come for him…!”

    Keith’s gotta get viewers somehow–his unrequited man-crush on O’Reilly will only sustain him for so long; so it might as well be from people who think he’s a joke.

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    fivor says:

    It looks like only the PW “B” team showed up. Pity. I was really hoping that Pablo or Dan words of wisdom would appear as I scrolled. How disappointing!

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    Darleen says:

    Krista says:

    It’s quite another to try to destroy her life while singing the praises of your boy-hero.

    WTF? WHO is destroying Deb’s life OTHER than Deb?

    And for the spoiled 3rd grader “The Other Steve”, this is the moral equivalency schtick in big red letters … “poor Deb is sick but Jeff is as least as bad.”

    But hey … I have a feeling I’m talking past people who say “yeah, 9/11 was really bad, but it was just blow back, ya know?” …

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    Frank says:

    nice group. Moral equivalence specialties? Deb’s a sick f*ck, needs help and won’t get it. Yet Andrew, ECL et al try to co-opt her lunacy to validate their hate. Glad I don’t hang here often

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    Darleen says:

    Richard 23

    I’d say Jeff’s comment to Sandy was highly appropriate after being called a “bad parent” (among other things) for the way he handled the Deb affair.

    I, for one, am fed up to here with moral equivalency mendacities.

    He who is merciful to the cruel will end up cruel to the merciful Midrash

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    Darleen says:

    Omigawd, fivor! Is that you, Chips?

    talk about incoherent benchwarmers! (and she claims to be a publik skool teecher)

    :::snort:::

  146. 146
    Ancient Purple says:

    What an odd set of comments! Somehow a brief mention of this Frisch character’s end-game with the law turns into a bunch of gratuitous jabs at one of the people she harrassed (Jeff Goldstein) and arguments about the place the N.S. occupy on the political spectrum?

    Oh, fucking spare me your twaddle.

    No one is defending Deb Frisch. No one, except crazy Deb Frisch. Yes, she belongs in jail or a mental institution and what she did was wrong and she needs to get treatment and/or punishment. What she said about Goldstein’s 2 year old is repugnant and awful.

    That, however, doesn’t make Goldstein a saint. He isn’t. Frisch harassed Goldstein, so what now? Goldstein has license to say whatever he wants and we aren’t to take issue with it or him?

    Just state he is infallible now because he was a victim of harassment and be done with it.

    Five thousand flowers blooming on Mount Goldsteinia and counting.

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    Darrell says:

    Krista says:

    It’s quite another to try to destroy her life while singing the praises of your boy-hero.

    WTF? WHO is destroying Deb’s life OTHER than Deb?

    As you can see, Krista is quite the detached-from-reality drama queen.. always posturing and blaming, never acknowledging the most obvious, if it conflicts with her leftist narrative. Hello, Krista and other libs! Can you acknowledge that it is Deb Frisch destroying her own life, not Jeff Goldstein or “others”? Do you see what morons you are? of course not

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    Richard 23 says:

    Frank, I agree with you that Deb is a sick fuck. You probably don’t agree with me that Count Cockula is a sick freak too. Fine. I think you wilfully misunderstood Andrew. Fine as well. I’m glad you don’t hang out here often either.

    How’s this for moral equivalency? Cockslap and Deb are both sick jerks who deserve to be ignored.

    That Frisch attacked Goldstain does not make him some kind of savant. An idiot savant he may be however. Or maybe just an idiot.

    Darrell, get your red hot strawman here! Deb is a dumbass and so are you. I can acknowledge that Deb Frisch is destroying her own life. But can the Senator yield?

  149. 149
    Darrell says:

    fivor Says:

    It looks like only the PW “B” team showed up. Pity. I was really hoping that Pablo or Dan words of wisdom would appear as I scrolled. How disappointing!

    Ah yes, the loftily-amused-above-it-all leftist jackass persona. So typical of the leftist ahole genre.

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    Darleen says:

    Deb is a sick fuck

    Count Cockula is a sick freak, too

    Nope, no moral equivalency there. None at all.

    Sweet Jesus on a pony.

    Reminds me of the Leftie attacks when people defend America “wassa matter with you, you some fuck patriot who believes America is wonderful and never does anything bad?”

    It’s a weird kind of moral absolutism, where everything and everyone outside of the Left cult dogma is always wrong. On anything.

    Sheesh, you’d condemn a scoop of vanilla ice cream if Kos sent you one of his letters saying it was the ZionistNeoCon dessert of the week.

  151. 151
    Richard 23 says:

    Keep speaking truth to power Darrell! It’s who you are. Reread this thread and every thread in which Darrell appears to see how unhinged he really is!

  152. 152
    Richard 23 says:

    Sheesh, you’d condemn a scoop of vanilla ice cream if Kos sent you one of his letters saying it was the ZionistNeoCon dessert of the week.

    Not really. But thanks for playing! I don’t receive Kos letters though so maybe you’re right.

  153. 153
    Pb says:

    Darleen,

    Nope, no moral equivalency there.

    It is indeed possible for any number of people to all be ‘sick freaks’ to varying degrees–indeed, Deb Frisch and Jeff Goldstein’s blog, taken together, are proof of this–without necessarily raising the strawy spectre of ‘moral equivalency’. But if that’s too subtle for you…

    Reminds me of the Leftie attacks when people defend America “wassa matter with you, you some fuck patriot who believes America is wonderful and never does anything bad?”

    Have you ever actually heard anyone say that, or are the quotes for effect? However, there probably was originally a point somewhere in there before it got twisted around; I’m going to go out on a limb here and speculate that it was likely a response to some blatant example of hypocrisy.

    It’s a weird kind of moral absolutism, where everything and everyone outside of the Left cult dogma is always wrong. On anything.

    I thought it was relativism? But again, back to the hypocrisy, that sort of ‘reasoning’–or should I say projection–should sound very familiar.

    Sheesh, you’d condemn a scoop of vanilla ice cream if Kos sent you one of his letters saying it was the ZionistNeoCon dessert of the week.

    LOL. You’ve obviously never seen a real herd of catsKossacks in the wild… just the phantom jackalopes braying in the transom of what once was your mind.

  154. 154
    Ancient Purple says:

    Sweet Jesus on a pony.

    Jesus wasn’t on a pony. He was on a donkey.

  155. 155
    Darleen says:

    Pb

    I’ve heard variations on the theme, taken by many emotionally driven Leftists when confronting someone defending America, as: “since when is America perfect?” when that was NOT the argument.

    I do not in any way agree that JeffG is a “sick freak” of any degree. Is he “perfect”? Does he never lose his temper? No and that wasn’t the argument. The argument is my calling the “Ok, Deb is sick but …” tact for what it is … an excuse to play “moral equivalency”.

    “Sure, officer, I smacked the wife around a bit but she mouthed off at me!”

    “Yeah, your honor, I did rob that jewelry store but my parents were mean to me.”

    “Yeah, 9/11 was bad but it’s just blowback because of American Imperialism”

    “Hezbollah attacked first but Israel has no legal or moral justification to fight back.”

    Sorry, Pb, your moral check has been returned marked “non-sufficient funds/account closed.”

    Please meet with Jhimmi Quisling Carter outside the bank.

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    Dustbin Of History says:

    Moral Relativism? That’s so ’90’s.

    Sheesh, you’d condemn a scoop of vanilla ice cream if Kos sent you one of his letters saying it was the ZionistNeoCon dessert of the week.

    And let me play Captain Obvious by pointing out that you and your fellow travellers are gulping down Elmer’s paste by the jar because Goldstein says that the Islamofacists and evil European moonbat leftists would win if you don’t.

  157. 157
    Darleen says:

    Dustbin

    Let me guess… you don’t think there is a such a thing as “Islamism”

    denial or dhimmi, I wonder?

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    Perry Como says:

    Beej Says:

    Have any of you that are excorciating Jeff Goldstein bothered to check the things this woman said about his 2 year old child?

    Bingo. The moral equivalence from all of these leftist moonbats is sickening. This is the Internets. This is serious business.

    How dare someone compare a THREAT against ATWOYEAROLDCHILD to the molestation of someone’s secret places?! Serious! Business!

    We need to get back to a bit of the old cock slapping and boxing of the ears by the good ol’ cock. Then we can move onto some Serious. Business. With some dickslurping.

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    Darleen says:

    and, oh, for the record, Dustbin?

    I haven’t been a fan of radical Islam since one little Arab-“Palestinian” fucker blew out the brains of Robert F Kennedy.

    So put me as a paste shoveler too, meshugganah.

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    Richard 23 says:

    I’ve heard variations on the theme, taken by many emotionally driven Leftists when confronting someone defending America….

    Hahaha! Another spoof. Congratulations, I was almost fooled! To what regiment do you belong? The 101st Keyboard Commandos or the 151st Chairborne?

    Thank God you’re defending America! The Consitution could not survive without you!

    I agree with you though. Both Jeff G and Deb F are buts.

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    Ernest Brown says:

    Naziism, Fascism and Communism are all anti-capitalistic & anti-Enlightenment forms of political collectivism that have the same basic cash value in the public marketplace. The ease with which German Communists converted to Naziism was an open joke, they were called “beefsteak Nazis,” i.e., brown on the outside and red on the inside.

    The Nazis were just as disdainful of laissez-faire capitalism as the Communists were, and they merely substituted “race” (the Fascists, “nationality”) for “class.” (which begs the question why the term “class traitor” is any less evil than “race traitor”)

    Fascism itself is an outgrowth of the Bernstein revisionism of Marxism that appeared at the turn of the 20th century. Ardent Bush hater David Ramsey Steele has an interesting article on the subject here:

    http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm

  162. 162
    Pb says:

    Darleen,

    I do not in any way agree that JeffG is a “sick freak” of any degree.

    Well, no, naturally you didn’t. You were trying to quote Richard 23 (badly); meanwhile, I was making a point about it (which you apparently missed entirely, surprise, surprise).

    Is he “perfect”? Does he never lose his temper? No and that wasn’t the argument.

    Indeed, it wasn’t, and it still isn’t. But enjoy the Rumsfeldian dialectic there, talking to yourself about what we weren’t saying.

    The argument is my calling the “Ok, Deb is sick but …” tact for what it is … an excuse to play “moral equivalency”.

    Ok then. So who is making that argument here besides you? You were the first to mention it, and The Other Steve called you on that early on. Or do you just like to raise and debunk your own points? I guess that’d be easier, in a sense, than trying to address any of the points that we might actually have made.

    [more straw deleted]

    Sorry, Pb, your moral check has been returned marked “non-sufficient funds/account closed.”
    Please meet with Jhimmi Quisling Carter outside the bank.

    Wow, you really are crazy. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

  163. 163
    Richard 23 says:

    So put me as a paste shoveler too, meshugganah.

    Let us know when you get near a sentence.

  164. 164
    Dustbin Of History says:

    You forgot a few, Darlene.

    “Sure, Abu Ghraib was bad but it wasn’t as bad as what Saddam did!”

    “Yeah, Iraq is mired in trouble right now but its not as bad as the murder rate in Detroit!”

    “Yeah, we’re giving rights away to the President but its not as bad as Saddam’s Iraq!”

    Like I said. Moral relativism is so ’90’s.

    Jhimmi Quisling Carter

    George Bushitler!

    Whoops, that means I’m a raving mad moonbat leftist. What does the namecalling make you, Darleen?

  165. 165
    Dustbin Of History says:

    Let me guess… you don’t think there is a such a thing as “Islamism”

    No, ‘Islamism’ exists, though I prefer to call a spade a spade and Islamic theocracy Islamic theocracy.

    denial or dhimmi, I wonder?

    Wonder all you want, given your current mental state, your opinion is worth the dribble on your bib.

  166. 166
    Perry Como says:

    So who is making that argument here besides you?

    Oooh! Ooh! I know this one!

    I just did. But it may have something to do with the popcorn. I won’t even Darrell-bait this. The reaction is too obvious.

  167. 167
    Dustbin Of History says:

    I haven’t been a fan of radical Islam since one little Arab-”Palestinian” fucker blew out the brains of Robert F Kennedy.

    I haven’t been a fan of radical Islam since the days of Terry Anderson’s Unexcellent Beirut Adventure.

    Nice to know just how long you’ve been holding on that pathological hatred though. No wonder you’re so out to lunch. Oi vey.

  168. 168
    Hosedragger says:

    Well, why don’t all you TehCrazeee sympathizers go to her Frischness’ site and look at all the other writings she has where she disgustingly speaks out against a dead marine and Navy SEAL, where she threatens myriads of people and does so many more heinous acts far and beyond the trolling she did at PW. She also, as recently as the 19th, went out to Sadly!No looking for advice as to how best she could harm Jeff and his family. I know this is a foreign idea to you Uber-Libs around here, but a little research and knowledge will go a long way.

    We all told her to stop, to shut up and get help. We were met with insults, attacks and threats. Tell you what…she has her address posted…go ahead and get in touch with her. Better yet, she likes to go to her local park and scream at statues as well as go to Lesbian get-togethers and assault and yell at lesbians younger than herself. She shouldn’t be too hard to find for all those that want to back up your words of caring and support with actual actions.

  169. 169
    Pb says:

    I do like the Carter quote, though–the actual one, as opposed to Darleen’s gross misrepresentation; spot the difference:

    Hezbollah attacked first but Israel has no legal or moral justification to fight back.

    vs.

    I don’t think that Israel has any legal or moral justification for their massive bombing of the entire nation of Lebanon. What happened is that Israel is holding almost 10,000 prisoners, so when the militants in Lebanon or in Gaza take one or two soldiers, Israel looks upon this as a justification for an attack on the civilian population of Lebanon and Gaza. I do not think that’s justified, no.

    This actually reminds me of the way that the pre-Iraq war intelligence was cherry-picked and mishandled–anything that contradicted their preconceived conclusions was discarded, and any remaining qualifiers were stripped out. Is this phenomenon deliberate, or could it be some sort of neurological disorder?

  170. 170
    Perry Como says:

    Is this phenomenon deliberate, or could it be some sort of neurological disorder?

    Yes. But let’s continue the flame war. My popcorn is getting cold.

  171. 171
    Richard 23 says:

    Well, why don’t all you TehCrazeee sympathizers go to her Frischness’ site and look at all the other writings s….

    Do you know how to read? Nobody is defending or sympathizing with, oh never mind. Go fuck yourself.

    Hosedragger. Is that like a cock slapper who can’t get it up?

  172. 172
    Pb says:

    Perry Como, Richard 23,

    There must be something in the water over there.

  173. 173
    Dustbin Of History says:

    Is this phenomenon deliberate, or could it be some sort of neurological disorder?

    I vote neurological. Darleen’s been nursing her anger and hatred for many many moons, it seems. The Dark Side has to be forever dominating her destiny by this point.

  174. 174
    Richard 23 says:

    She also, as recently as the 19th, went out to Sadly!No looking for advice as to how best she could harm Jeff and his family.

    And all those unhinged lefties gave her sound advice? Sadly No. They basically told her to go fuck herself. Which you should do. In spades.

  175. 175
    anonymous says:

    Ancient Purple Says:

    Sweet Jesus on a pony.
    Jesus wasn’t on a pony. He was on a donkey.

    August 24th, 2006 at 12:49 am

    I don’t have my bible at hand, but I’m fairly certain that Jesus
    rode into Jerusalem on his ass.

  176. 176
    Richard 23 says:

    Pb, that’s not water. It’s vodka. Or gin. Or liquid LSD.

  177. 177
    Darleen says:

    Hatred of an assassin who murdered in the name of a Judenrein Palestine is pathelogical?

    Oh my, Dustbin. Not dhimmi, or denial … enabler.

    Kind of belies your Terry Anderson assertion.

    With that little issue clear, my attempt to explain to you the meaning of “context”, upon which all events are judged moral or not, will fall on deafened by Left cult ears.

    But, a short illustration for anyone else.

    If we don’t evaluate context, then rape and lovemaking are equivalent since they both involve sexual intercourse.

  178. 178
    Darleen says:

    Pb

    Jhimmi’s entire quote is a lie. Israel did not “bomb the entire nation of Lebanon”

    Jhimmi is quite clear that Israel is to be held to a different standard than any other nation (besides America)

    Jhimmi proves his anti-semite bona fides.

  179. 179
    kaiserD says:

    “Do you know how to read? Nobody is defending or sympathizing with, oh never mind. Go fuck yourself.”

    well, Richard23, in the original post Mr. Cole tells us that Deb “is a sad character, and she needs our sympathy and our help…”. so i guess there’s that.

  180. 180
    anonymous says:

    Sympathy? What is wrong with you people? Haven’t you heard?
    America has declared war on the world and we cannot have
    a bunch of weak sisters running around being sympathetic
    toward non-party members.

  181. 181
    Pb says:

    Darleen,

    Jhimmi’s entire quote is a lie. Israel did not “bomb the entire nation of Lebanon”

    That’s right, they only bombed a few (thousand) specific locations, why I’m sure they entirely missed giant swaths of land where people weren’t. But draw a big circle that encompasses all the places where they did drop bombs, and then let me know if that circle looks suspiciously like ‘the entire nation of Lebanon’. That’s probably what Jimmy Carter was saying there.

  182. 182
    Perry Como says:

    Perry Como, Richard 23,

    There must be something in the water over there.

    After the “Jhimmi” schtick I’m not sure if Darleen is a great troll or the stupidest person on the planet. If Darleen is a genuine wingnut, I wonder if it’ll catch on to obvious trolling.

  183. 183
    Pb says:

    Perry Como,

    After the “Jhimmi” schtick I’m not sure if Darleen is a great troll or the stupidest person on the planet

    Given the choice between a clever person trying to be stupid, or a stupid person trying to be clever, I’d be forced to go with the latter on that one. I’m not sure who’s stupider–whoever came up with that originally, or the people (if any) who thought it deserved repeating.

  184. 184
    Richard 23 says:

    Darleen, isn’t it spelled Jimmah? Lern to spel.

    OK kaiserD, John Cole is sympathizing with Deb Frisch. Goddamn RINO. Happy now?

    But Perry, Darleen cannot possibly be the stupidest person on the planet. There is Count Chocula and Doug Feith (the “fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth”) to contend with.

  185. 185
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    Richard 23 says:

    Darleen, Shelley the Republican is calling. You’d fit right in there. Check out Scrutator, too.

  187. 187
    kaiserD says:

    hey, how in the hell am i a RINO, Dick?

  188. 188
    Pb says:

    kaiserD,

    how in the hell am i a RINO

    I think you misread the goddamn antecedent there. Moron.

  189. 189
    kaiserD says:

    ohhh, the antecedent. so you’re saying you’re a moron? that’s cool.

  190. 190
    Perry Como says:

    Pb Says:

    I’m not sure who’s stupider—whoever came up with that originally, or the people (if any) who thought it deserved repeating.

    It sounds like something that came out of the winner of the Dumbfuckolympics. Or LGF. But I repeat myself.

    Richard 23 Says:

    But Perry, Darleen cannot possibly be the stupidest person on the planet.

    There’s always room at the top.

  191. 191
    kaiserD says:

    how’s the view, PC?

  192. 192
    anonymous says:

    Please, don’t anyone accuse me of expressing sympathy for Darleen,
    (I wouldn’t want to be accused of al-Qaeda connections, revealed
    by an expression of human emotion), but the most readily available
    explanation for Darleen & her fellow toddlers at AceofSpadesHQ/Protein Wisdom:

    Dunning-Kruger Effect.

  193. 193
    Pb says:

    Dunning-Kruger Effect

    Heh, I’ve run into that before. I think it’s just natural for people–absent any solid information to the contrary–to assume that they’re probably not too far from the average in the discipline in question.

  194. 194
    Richard 23 says:

    Learn to read kaiserD (if that indeed is your real name). I was calling John Cole a RINO. Is your name John Cole by chance?

    You sputtered:

    well, Richard23, in the original post Mr. Cole tells us….

    And I replied:

    OK kaiserD, John Cole is sympathizing with Deb Frisch. Goddamn RINO. Happy now?

    You see, I was supporting what you said about our libertarian host, John Cole. And then I called him a “Goddamn RINO.” Is that really so complicated? Yes, it probably is.

  195. 195
    RonB says:

    1st post:

    It wasn’t really worth saying anything about.

    Thread closed. :)

  196. 196
    RonB says:

    Wait, second post from AP should be squeezed in too.

  197. 197
    Perry Como says:

    kaiserD Says:

    how’s the view, PC?

    I’m not sure how to respond to such a witty post. Your stunning powers of observation are well beyond my mere mortal means of retort.

    Talk about “B” team. It’s like ScrappleFace ass raped PW and the stuff that dribbled out found its way to this thread.

  198. 198
    anonymous says:

    I am beginning to understand why they call these things “threads:”
    now that we’ve lost this one.

  199. 199
    Richard 23 says:

    For the record, I still think Deb F and Jeff G are both assholes. Just wanted to be fair and balanced.

  200. 200
    Perry Como says:

    RonB Says:

    1st post:

    It wasn’t really worth saying anything about.

    Thread closed. :)

    Awww, but I was just starting to have fun!

    /me kicks the dirt

  201. 201
    Pb says:

    Richard 23,

    Is this the part where we’re supposed to shout and throw straw at you for the grevious ‘moral equivalency’ declaration that you just did not make right there?

  202. 202
    anonymous says:

    I posted on this earlier today…

    The “release all muslim prisoners in the US jails in 72 hours..” is not a comforting message…

    as of 2003 in Federal Prison alone there are about 172,000 prisoners identified as associated with some form of Islam.

    No hard stats on state or local

    Do you think they took their cue from Jhimmi Carter who made the [bogus] moral equivalency between the soldiers kidnapped by Hezbollah and the “10,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails”?

    Comment by Darleen — 8/23/2006 @ 1:12 pm

    (From Patterico’s Pontifications — not to be confused with Pam’s
    Pontoonifications — hey, at least she’s consistent.)

  203. 203
    RonB says:

    It’s a weird kind of moral absolutism, where everything and everyone outside of the Left cult dogma is always wrong. On anything.

    Unintentional Irony’s POTD.

  204. 204
    Pb says:

    kaiserD,

    so you’re saying you’re a moron?

    No, the subject of that imperative sentence was the “understood you”, which, of course, is entirely different. Moron. :)

  205. 205
    kaiserD says:

    oh, that’s priceless. you guys are so busy jacking each other off, reveling in your intellectual superiority and coming up with piercing ripostes like “dumbfuckolympics” and “they’re so stupid”, “the stupidest!”, “more stupider!!”, “stupid, stupid, stupid!” and then Dunning-Kruger is introduced!

    “You see, I was supporting what you said about our libertarian host, John Cole. And then I called him a “Goddamn RINO.” Is that really so complicated? Yes, it probably is.”

    thanks for “supporting” what i said, being that is actually what he wrote up top. but your little construction: “OK kaiserD, John Cole is sympathizing with Deb Frisch. Goddamn RINO. Happy now?” actually leaves 3 candidates for the tag “RINO”. is it really so complicated to see that?

  206. 206
    Richard 23 says:

    A little straw in the room would make our Bukkake Wisdom guests feel right at home!

  207. 207
    anonymous says:

    Apparently, PB, the “understood you,” in this case, failed to understand,
    or at least keeps pretending he did.

  208. 208
    Pb says:

    kaiserD,

    I figured it out from the context, actually. You must be new here.

  209. 209
    kaiserD says:

    so, PB, are you still asserting you’re a moron?

  210. 210
    Pb says:

    kaiserD,

    so, PB, are you still asserting you’re a moron?

    I am not, and I was not, as my post to that effect asserts. Which you would have noticed by now if you weren’t one.

  211. 211
    kaiserD says:

    ok, we’ll leave it at that. you think you’re a moron. and i’m cool with that.

    and, i AM new here. thanks for having me!

  212. 212
    anonymous says:

    Perhaps the problem was a missing consonant.
    Maybe he was saying he was a Mormon.

    Can you move on now?

  213. 213
    Pb says:

    kaiserD,

    ok, we’ll leave it at that. you think you’re a moron. and i’m cool with that.

    If you’re cool with dishonestly misconstruing my statements, then you might just fit right in with Darrell and Mac Buckets and the rest of that crowd. However:

    and, i AM new here. thanks for having me!

    If that is the case, then understand if I don’t reciprocate your thanks in the matter. Or, intentionally misunderstand, whatever, I’d expect that. Moron. :)

  214. 214
    Perry Como says:

    coming up with piercing ripostes

    Almost there…keep working at it.

    so, PB, are you still asserting you’re a moron?

    Damn. I had some hope there for a second. At least Darleen had some funny rhetoric.

    It may work better if you do something like “PhiBhimmis”. Or something. I’m not sure what play on words makes wingnuts feel witty these days.

  215. 215
    Richard 23 says:

    There’s too much jacking off going on around here and not enough cock slapping.

    In all seriousness, we can all agree that Deb F is a sick fuck. I guess where we disagree is that Jeff G is sick jerk. Well agree to disagree I suppose.

  216. 216
    kaiserD says:

    oh jeez, PB, i’m actually honestly miscontuing your statements. just to make you look like a moron.

  217. 217
    Pb says:

    PhiBhimmis

    ROFL.

    honestly miscontuing your statements

    Definitely something in the water.

  218. 218
    Richard 23 says:

    If only George W Bush were here to crack a fart joke. It would break the tension. A modern day Terrance or Philip that man is.

  219. 219
    Pb says:

    There’s too much jacking off going on around here and not enough cock slapping.

    That’s just the post-cock-slapping festivities.

  220. 220
    Perry Como says:

    That’s just the post-cock-slapping festivities.

    Cock-boxing day.

  221. 221
    Pb says:

    A modern day Terrance or Philip that man is

    That explains so much.

    Dick: Hey, Bush?
    Bush: Yes, Dick?
    Dick: Let’s go look for treasure (‘treas-ah‘).
    etc.

  222. 222
    kaiserD says:

    “Definitely something in the water.”

    yeah, it’s the “liquid LSD”. so hip these days! yet it fucks with my typing.

  223. 223
    Richard 23 says:

    Today’s subject: tristero, who (let’s face it) has the intellect of a gibbon, though he clearly fancies himself a brilliant debunker of lockstep winguttery. In fact, his post (as seen on Digbysblog) —Loven stole HIS idea about the strawmans, we’re told / and Atrios was exactly right that I’m an idiot who doesn’t realize my own idiocy (a pronouncement, incidentally, that can only be made by one who assumes he is far more intelligent than the object of his scorn, which position essentially deconstructs the study in the Atrios post tristero fellates, or else proves it to his detriment, I’m not sure which)—is par for the course with these bandwidth sucking cocklords. You allow them to stay and say their piece, and they interpret that as a “right” that you now owe them, and they then take that as an invitation to start helping themselves to things in the fridge, or slipping a finger up your dog’s asshole, etc.Well, sorry, but that ain’t my thang. These fucktards want to take shots at me on their own sites, they can have at it. But from now on, they can keep it there, or they can bitch about me on sites I don’t give a shit about anyway.

    Jeff Goldstein, modern day Leonardo da Vinci.

  224. 224
    Pb says:

    Intellect of a gibbon?

    What, he couldn’t have slipped ‘macaca’ in there somewhere, too? I’m disappointed.

  225. 225
    Richard 23 says:

    kaiserD, I have nothing against “liquid LSD” or any other psychoactive drug. Just refrain from posting while under the influence. I recommend against buzzed blogging.

  226. 226
    Perry Como says:

    Just refrain from posting while under the influence. I recommend against buzzed blogging.

    There goes Ann Althouse blogging…

  227. 227
    Richard 23 says:

    I have found no bukkake wisdom on macaca. Perhaps pw commenters can point us to a relevant post.

  228. 228
    Richard 23 says:

    Hahaha Perry. Forgive me if I jerk, er, jack you off. Apparently that’s what we do around here. As opposed to slapping each other with our bulbous cocks. I’d like to see Krista try that. Or scs or stormy even.

  229. 229
    kaiserD says:

    “Just refrain from posting while under the influence”

    why is that, Richard? i might take brilliant rips like “dumbfuckolympics” and “moron” too seriously? or commit a major typo?

    George Allen is a racist fuck.

  230. 230
    anonymous says:

    Maybe I was wrong about the Dunning-Kruger thing.
    Maybe Darleen’s problem is she thinks her cock’s too small.

    Well, if she just checks her e-mail, I’m sure she can find help.

  231. 231
    Perry Como says:

    i might take brilliant rips like “dumbfuckolympics” and “moron” too seriously?

    Internets. Serious! Business!

    George Allen is a racist fuck.

    Errr, what?

  232. 232
    Richard 23 says:

    George Allen is a racist fuck.

    Hey I agree with you.

    Now try these:

    Deb Frisch is ______.

    Jeff Goldstein is ______.

  233. 233
    DougJ says:

    Once again, John has the guts to stand up to the real villains on the world stage: Deb Frisch, Aaron Broussard, and other members of the American Al Qaeda.

    Bravo, John!

    Freedom is on the march.

  234. 234
    kaiserD says:

    George Allen is a racist fuck.

    PC, you disagree?

    Deb Frisch is vile. and emotionally disturbed. and vile. and, apparently, in a lot of legal trouble because of this.

    Jeff Goldstein is pretty damn funny. and fairly incisive.

  235. 235
    Tom in Texas says:

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  236. 236
    Richard 23 says:

    Jeff Goldstein is pretty damn funny. and fairly incisive.

    Absolutely! “Slipping a finger up your dog’s asshole” and “secret places” and cockslapping is pretty damn funny. Not the least bit vile and not at all a sign of being emotionally disturbed. Not at all. Paste anyone?

    Tom, allow me to slap you with my penis pill.

  237. 237
    anonymous says:

    kaiserD Says:

    Jeff Goldstein is pretty damn funny. and fairly incisive.

    August 24th, 2006 at 3:29 am

    ———————————————-

    I copied it. Pasted it. Read it. Re-read it. But I still don’t believe it.

  238. 238
    Perry Como says:

    Richard 23 Says:

    Deb Frisch is __.

    Hitler!

    Jeff Goldstein is __.

    Jesus!

    kaiserDougJ Says:

    PC, you disagree?

    I’m objectively pro-misconstruing.

  239. 239
  240. 240
    anonymous says:

    or:

    Deb Frisch is Jeff Goldstein is Deb Frisch.

    or:

    Deb Frisch and Jeff Goldstein are enantiomorphs:

    TweedleDee and TweedleDum agreed to have a battle …

  241. 241
    Paul L. says:

    The National Socialist German Workers Party was about as socialist and for the workers as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a democracy for the people

    North Korea is communist/leftwing state. The Government controls everything.

    Please give me a list of what the Nazi’s did that were rightwing. Do not give me abortion as the Nazi’s would abort a Jewish or Black baby with out batting a eye.

    Gun Control/ Confiscation and Government control of property strike me as leftwing.

    Of course, Temin is not blind to the fact that the German state of the period, contrary to the Soviets, had not nationalized industry. The apparent paradox is solved by him, however, by pointing to allegedly unequal long-term contracts between the Nazis and industry groups with the obligation of the latter to deliver their output at fixed prices. If firms refused to comply they could be nationalized, for the Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use to further their goals.

  242. 242
    Tulkinghorn says:

    Paul L.:

    There is no need for people here to be educating you about fundamentals of political theory. Go get an education and stop wasting time.

    And what is the point of this whole line of argument? That Nazis were really Evil Liberals? Both Rightist and Leftist extremes can be a basis for totalitarianism. Big news.

  243. 243
    John S. says:

    Please give me a list of what the Nazi’s did that were rightwing.

    Man, learn to stay down when you’re beaten to a pulp. How about this list for a start:

    – Looks to the past for inspiration

    – State obligated to teach public morals

    – Prefers tradition to innovation

    – Property rights more important than civil rights

    – Nature is the primary arbiter of advancement

    – Prefers homogenous population

    Theree are of course more, but that should give you a start. Mind you, I am not saying that Republicans are Nazis or any such bullshit. That is the kind of Godwinian statement that you’re PW pals seem to be fond of. But the unfortunate reality is that Nazism was born, raised, and thrived on the right-wing of the political spectrum.

    It’s a fact. Get over it.

  244. 244
    John S. says:

    Both Rightist and Leftist extremes can be a basis for totalitarianism.

    Absolutely.

    As the chart I linked to above (or any other political spectrum) will show, the more on trends towards the extreme the more one heads towards an autocracy.

    But Paul – as usual – cannot grasp simple facts.

  245. 245

    You guys have totally queered this thread!

    I was having a good time chatting it up with my Protein Wisdom brethren, and you had to queer it! Damn you all!

    don’t you worry KaiserD and Darleen, I got your back! We’re going to get that Deb Frisch, and her little dog too!

  246. 246

    Jeff Goldstein is the greatest blogger of all time. He’s just sooooo smart. You all should feel lucky that you get a chance to read his wisdom, for in ages past his writings would never have been published for the masses.

  247. 247
    Blue Neponset says:

    don’t you worry KaiserD and Darleen, I got your back! We’re going to get that Deb Frisch, and her little dog too!

    KaiserD and Darleen are doing a wicked awesome job of defending Goldstein. I feel even sorrier for him than I did before I read their comments. In fact, I feel wicked sorry for all of the PW commentors. They seem to have hate-filled hearts.

  248. 248
    Paul L. says:

    John S.
    That chart look like a commercial for Liberals/ Progressives. If you believe this B.S., there is no hope to you,

    How does the lefts support for civil rights, open dissemination of information and evaluation preferred means of instruction work with the following favorites of the left:
    Speech codes, Hate Speech and the Fairness doctrine.

    Civil rights are more important than Property rights.

    So does that mean you can not touch the person. But it is Ok to take everything He owns.

  249. 249

    Paul L. What utter nonsense.

    Property Rights are a form of Civil Rights. How dare you come in here and queer our thread with your Communist propaganda!

  250. 250
    Pb says:

    “The liberals on the Supreme Court, and in universities, have been undermining the Framers’ First Amendment handiwork. The Court’s decision upholding campaign-finance restrictions show that Americans are losing the liberties that they’ve long enjoyed; likewise with the speech codes that some public universities have been instituting. And this loss of liberty stems from liberals’ disdain for the text of the Constitution, and liberal judges’ willingness to make law, instead of simply applying it. Soon we will lose the freedom of speech that Americans have long taken for granted.

    That’s the story I’ve been hearing from many of my conservative and libertarian correspondents. And it’s just plain false.” — Eugene Volokh, National Review Online

    You were saying?

  251. 251
    Krista says:

    Hahaha Perry. Forgive me if I jerk, er, jack you off. Apparently that’s what we do around here. As opposed to slapping each other with our bulbous cocks. I’d like to see Krista try that. Or scs or stormy even.

    Um. No.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I have some posturing and blaming to do.

    Lovingly,
    Detached-from-reality-Krista

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    KaiserD and Darleen are doing a wicked awesome job of defending Goldstein. I feel even sorrier for him than I did before I read their comments. In fact, I feel wicked sorry for all of the PW commentors. They seem to have hate-filled hearts.

    Well you have to remember. Goldstein is the second coming…

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    RonB says:

    John S,

    You have exceeded your limit for fish shot in the barrel known as Paul L’s brain.

    He ain’t gonna get it.

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    John S. says:

    He ain’t gonna get it.

    Apparently not.

    Although I do find it amusing that he characterizes what any sane person would view as an accurate chart of the political spectrum as “a commercial for Liberals/ Progressives”.

    What a character.

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    Paul L. says:

    The Other Steve Says:
    Paul L. What utter nonsense.

    Property Rights are a form of Civil Rights. How dare you come in here and queer our thread with your Communist propaganda!

    Did you look at the list John S linked that I was questioning or are you trying to do [badly] a Doug J?

    So will one of your self described superior geniuses answer my question about the list?

    How does the Lefts support for civil rights, open dissemination of information and evaluation preferred means of instruction work with the following favorites of the left:
    Speech codes, Hate Speech and the Fairness doctrine.

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    RonB says:

    That’s because these folks don’t understand what the liberal/conservative continuum really is. To righties, the difference is often a series of diametric opposites on issues they choose a predictable quasi-libertarian/ exceptionalist position on. I’m for a strong military-liberals are weak on defense. I’m for limited government-liberals want to tell me how to run my life, etc etc.

    It’s all about the labels. Scorning The Other.

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    skip says:

    This is a decidedy unhealthy thread. I feel, after reading it, I should have myself sandblasted with walnut shells.

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    Did you look at the list John S linked that I was questioning or are you trying to do [badly] a Doug J?

    No. I didn’t need to. You came in here spreading your Communist filth, and I’m not going to put up with it!

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    Darrell says:

    RonB Says:

    That’s because these folks don’t understand what the liberal/conservative continuum really is. To righties, the difference is often a series of diametric opposites on issues they choose a predictable quasi-libertarian/ exceptionalist position on

    Tell us then Ron, which side was it protesting in the tens of thousands with signs reading “Bush = Hitler” and “No blood for oil”? Would that have been the ever so nuanced reality based community?.. or the black-and-white diametrically opposed conservatives? just curious as to what extent the delusions have taken hold.

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    John S. says:

    So will one of your self described superior geniuses answer my question about the list?

    No.

    You’ve been given ample sources to draw the appropriate answers from, and yet you choose not to. Besides, I prefer to watch you wallow in your ignorance.

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    jamrat says:

    Funniest thread ever. Goldstein’s cock works in mysterious ways.

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