Another Katrina Myth Permanently De-Bunked

Remember this Meet The Press moment:

BROUSSARD: … The guy who runs this building I’m in, emergency management, he’s responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, “Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming?” And he said, “Yeah, Mama, somebody’s coming to get you. Somebody’s coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Friday.” And she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night.

RUSSERT: Mr. President…

BROUSSARD: Nobody’s coming to get us. Nobody’s coming to get us. The secretary has promised. Everybody’s promised. They’ve had press conferences. I’m sick of the press conferences. For God sakes, shut up and send us somebody.

Didn’t happen like that, it turns out:

New details and interviews with the son whose mother died in the flood show that the tragedy unfolded from Saturday through Monday, Aug. 29 — not Monday through Friday, Sept. 2 as recounted by Broussard. The owners of the nursing home were indicted Tuesday for the deaths of more than 30 residents, which officials say occurred on Aug. 29.

August 29th was the date the Hurricane hit. That doesn’t make it less tragic that a woman drowned, and there is simply no excuse for the nursing home not cmplying with the mandatory evacutation, but it just another one of those ‘known facts’ that has turned out to be neither known nor factual. Probably a whole lot of corrections like this in the next couple of months.

Glenn says this correction started here.






135 replies
  1. 1
    Mark says:

    If the only thing he got wrong was the date, I don’t see what the big deal is. The guy was in a bit of a stressful situation, to say the least.

  2. 2
    John Cole says:

    Umm. Think about it for a second. Better yet, go back and look at what the response to the Broussard interview was…

  3. 3
    John Cole says:

    You could also look at the rest of the charges made by Broussard in the Meet the Press interview:

    “We have been abandoned by our own country. Hurricane Katrina will go down in history as one of the worst storms ever to hit an American coast, but the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina will go down as one of the worst abandonments of Americans on American soil ever in U.S. history. I am personally asking our bipartisan congressional delegation here in Louisiana to immediately begin congressional hearings to find out just what happened here. Why did it happen? Who needs to be fired? And believe me, they need to be fired right away, because we still have weeks to go in this tragedy. We have months to go. We have years to go. And whoever is at the top of this totem pole, that totem pole needs to be chain-sawed off and we’ve got to start with some new leadership.

    It’s not just Katrina that caused all these deaths in New Orleans here. Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area, and bureaucracy has to stand trial before Congress now.”

  4. 4
    TallDave says:

    Yellow journalism: alive and well in 2005.

    That “10,000 dead” has been revised down to “less than 1,000.”

    For reference, that compares to 35,000 dead in Europe from… a heat wave. That’s right, a natural “catastrophe” that can be handled with air conditioning killed more than 35 times as many people among our oh-so-enlightened socialist transatlantic neighbors as a Category 5 storm here in the US did in a deathtrap city built below sea level, even with an incompetent disaster response.

    Let’s see, 35,000 people times $179 each for their own, personal 8,000 BTU air conditioner gives me… $5.5 million. That’s what it would have cost to save every single person who died from excess heat. And that assumes no one was willing to share.

    And people think America has problems.

  5. 5
    ppGaz says:

    Yellow journalism: alive and well in 2005.

    Right, Dave. You meant “yellow cake”, didn’t you?

  6. 6
    ppGaz says:

    For reference, that compares to 35,000 dead in Europe from… a heat wave.

    Wrong. They died because they didn’t know how to handle a heat wave. I assure you, if the power went off in my town, which has about 100 days of 100F per summer, thousands would not die. Because we know how to handle it here. Nobody in my house would die for lack of air conditioners. I can instruct you on how to survive in the desert with nothing but shade and water. But you would have to follow instructions. Come to think of it, you might die.

  7. 7
    ppGaz says:

    Probably a whole lot of corrections like this in the next couple of months.

    Earth-shaking! People will be shocked, and moved, as they were when no WMDs were discovered in Iraq, say. Eh?

    Wrong. Nobody will notice. That scene has already been played. Time to move on.

    Will Prince George be injured by this misperception, uncorrected? Aw, gee, how awful. To think that a nice boy like him would be hurt by people gettin’ the wrong idea about something!

    I’ll be back, I have to go and cry uncontrollably for an hour or two ……..

  8. 8
    Slide says:

    Teh perennially clueless TallDave said:

    Yellow journalism: alive and well in 2005.

    That “10,000 dead” has been revised down to “less than 1,000.”

    Yellow journalis? To report what the Mayor of New Orleans said? Guess they should have ignored what the Mayor had said right? Like I said previously, the Mayor probably came up with that number based on the modeling they had done with a cat 4/5 hurricane hitting New Orleans (hurricane Pam). We should all be thankful that it was not as high as it was feared to be but it is not a case of yellow jounalism to report what the mayor in NO had said anymore than it was yellow journalism when it was suggested that perhaps 50,000 had died in the WTC.

  9. 9
    ppGaz says:

    Has anybody noticed that it is well within the realm of possibility that the NOLA area could be struck by another strong hurricane before the end of this week?

    Even if not impacted by the winds and storm surge, heavy rains could imperil the levee system and cause a reflood of the areas just now dried out.

    I’m watching this unfold, and watching the reactions of the various layers of authority …. and wondering, what the hell are they thinking?

  10. 10
    Bob says:

    Broussard isn’t the mayor, but I’m not sure what TallDave’s yellow journalism riff is about if it isn’t some defense mechanism out of the Rove noise machine. The initial estimates, which TallD has read around here before, were based on what the feds put out, including the FEMA order for 25,000 body bags.

    The problem to worry about now is if the numbers are inflated by whatever companies got the FEMA contract for body disposal.

  11. 11
    docG says:

    Haarrgh, matey. Hope they makes the bilge rat walk the plank! (Sorry, didn’t want to miss out on Pirate’s Day.) On a serious note, keep the corrections coming, there surely will be a million of them.

  12. 12
    ppGaz says:

    Whoops … NO Reentry Halted …. MSNBC.

    Well, maybe these guys actually have learned something.

    Updated: 6:09 p.m. ET Sept. 19, 2005

    NEW ORLEANS – Under pressure from President Bush and other top federal officials, the mayor Monday suspended the reopening of large portions of the city over the next few days because of the threat of a new round of flooding from a tropical storm.

    “I am concerned about this hurricane getting in the gulf. … If we are off, I’d rather err on the side of conservatism to make sure we have everyone out,” Mayor Ray Nagin said.

    The announcement came after repeated warnings from top federal officials — and the president himself — that the city was unsafe.

    The president out ahead of Ray Noggin on this.

    Wasn’t I bashing the mayor 3 weeks ago? Off with his head!

  13. 13
    TallDave says:

    slide,

    Re “yellow journalism”: I was referring to Cole’s post, not the 10,000.

    I see ppGaz is spewing more nonsense that, again, I won’t bother wasting my time with.

  14. 14
    Emma Zahn says:

    Did anyone commenting here watch Broussard’s interview on Meet the Press when it first aired?

    I did.

    If he was faking, he deserves an oscar for best actor.

  15. 15
    Emma Zahn says:

    Oh, forgot to add. There will also be a lot of corrections to corrections over the next few months.

    I got a Katrina timeline by e-mail from factcheck.org followed quickly by two separate corrections.

  16. 16
    slide says:

    Re “yellow journalism”: I was referring to Cole’s post, not the 10,000.

    That makes even less sense. That was a live, unscripted interview of a government official describing his personal experiences. Yellow journalism? For an example of yellow journalism think of Fox’s Natalee Holloway coverage.

  17. 17
    Nikki says:

    The thing that gets me is that so many are so gleefully pointing out that “GASP! Broussard is a liar!” when in the long run, it matters not one damn bit. 34 people died in that nursing home and people seem more concerned about how much of a liar Broussard is rather than the tragedy of 34 people dying in a nursing home.

    Oh I know, his performance reflected poorly on the administration, so of course we must work, work, work to tear down this liar rather than focus on the more important issues.

    Broussard lied, Broussard exaggerated, Broussard didn’t get it right. In the post-Katrina scheme of things, who really gives one big damn shit?

  18. 18
    ppGaz says:

    Re “yellow journalism”: I was referring to Cole’s post, not the 10,000.

    Uh, if you say so.

    I’ll put you on the same list as DG for today:

    $10 to anybody who can explain what the hell you are talking about.

  19. 19
    slide says:

    Oh I know, his performance reflected poorly on the administration, so of course we must work, work, work to tear down this liar rather than focus on the more important issues.

    Yep. It’s called DISTRACTION 101. Right out of the Rove play book.

    Just John Cole doing his part yet once again.

  20. 20
    Richard Aubrey says:

    Nikki has figured out that Broussard’s breakdown is no longer useful. So now it’s unimportant.

    Let me explain it to you, not that you don’t know, but to convince you that others do, too.

    Since the lady and her friends died just hours after the levees broke, there is no blame for anybody but the state or parish government which left the evacuation decision to the invididual nursing home operators. Blame the operators.
    Blame inadequate information–the operators will at their trial.
    But, unfortunately for Nikki, there’s no way to blame Bush. Hence the move-along suggestion.

    The point is not that Broussard lied. It’s that the facts he got a lot of people to believe aren’t so.
    Well, it does matter that he lied, or got his timeline wrong, or something. But that’s secondary to the change in what is known about the situation.

  21. 21
    slide says:

    Richard Aubrey said:

    Well, it does matter that he lied, or got his time line wrong, or something. But that’s secondary to the change in what is known about the situation.

    I for one don’t think he was “lying” but lets assume for argument sake that he was. Ok. But on that same Meet the Press there were a few other lies that I would think you would be more concerned about.
    Example:

    SEC’Y CHERTOFF: Well, I think if you look at what actually happened, I remember on Tuesday morning picking up newspapers and I saw headlines, “New Orleans Dodged The Bullet,”

    Well, that was proved a lie. No paper had that headline. In fact all the morning papers had pretty devastating headlines, Like Catastrophe !. Funny though how Bush, General Meyers and Chertoff all used exactly the same term, “Dodged the Bullet” . Funny ain’t it?
    Another one for you:

    CHERTOFF: It was on Tuesday that the levee–may have been overnight Monday to Tuesday–that the levee started to break.

    But the truth was:

    The New Orleans office of the National Weather Service issued a flash flood warning at 8:14 a.m. Monday, saying “a levee breach occurred along the industrial canal at Tennessee Street. 3 to 8 feet of water is expected due to the breach.

    At 7:33 a.m. on Monday, Aug. 29, Gov. Kathleen B. Blanco said on NBC, “I believe the water has breached the levee system, and is—is coming in.”

    In its Aug. 29 (Monday) online edition, the New Orleans Times-Picayune first reported a breach in the 17th Street Canal levee at 2 p.m., citing City Hall officials

    So the US Weather service knew…Governor Blanco knew… city hall officials knew.. and anyone that read the Times-Picayune knew that, by Monday afternoon at the latest, the levees had been breeched but the head of Homeland Security was relieved by the fictional Tuesday morning papers that NO “Dodged the Bullet”?

    Now either that is a bold faced lie or they are even more clueless and incompetent than our worst fears.

    But lets not focus in on the lies of Chertoff, lets go attack the emotionally distraught Broussard for getting his time line wrong. Very interesting and selective indignation on the right.

  22. 22
    jill says:

    Correction? When are we getting a correction from Bush and company for no WMD in Iraq, for Iraq not paying for its own reconstruction, for the cake-walk, for lying in every instance and using patriotism to goad others into making bad decisions.

  23. 23
    scs says:

    You know how the article said that bloggers questioned him first? Well they were possibly referring to ME. I broke that on this blog weeks ago. I knew even when I saw him “crying” that it looked fake. And what happened? You all crucified me (and I believe Slide called me a “piece of shit”), even AFTER I referenced the NYT article conflicting with his timeline. You people are pathetic. At least redeem yourselves somewhat by apologizing to me, but I know you all don’t have the guts to do so.

    And I not only blame you all, but the gullible media, who played that guy, who wanted his 15 minutes of fame, over and over, on national TV, and never ONCE thought to call the guy Broussard was talking about and ask him if the story was true. And I’m sure the man was available for interviews, because as a parish official he was probably around after the flood. Now I know how people like Hitler get to power. It’s cause of easily brainwashed, unquestioning people like the ones who type on this blog.

  24. 24
    Stormy70 says:

    scs, I remember your comment and I defended it the day you made it. I also have commented at other blogs that a commenter here on Balloon Juice questioned this story first, before anyone else connected the dots. Good job!

  25. 25
    slide says:

    and I believe Slide called me a “piece of shit”

    did I? well let me add asshole as well. To say that he was “faking” is just so asinine. After the horrendous experience he had gone through, surrounded by death and utter destruction, you think he premeditatedly faked being upset at his friend’s mother’s death? Right. and you call others brainwashed? And you knew this because you felt it in your “gut” that he was acting? lol Yes, piece of shit is still quite operable.

  26. 26
    scs says:

    SLide, are you typing from a mental institution? Cause if you aren’t, you ought to be.

  27. 27
    jill says:

    if that was acting get that man an Emmy!

  28. 28
    Ancient Purple says:

    And I not only blame you all, but the gullible media, who played that guy, who wanted his 15 minutes of fame, over and over, on national TV, and never ONCE thought to call the guy Broussard was talking about and ask him if the story was true. And I’m sure the man was available for interviews, because as a parish official he was probably around after the flood. Now I know how people like Hitler get to power. It’s cause of easily brainwashed, unquestioning people like the ones who type on this blog.

    This is just pure bullcrap. You can pat yourself on your back all you want. Congratulations. But you are sadly mistaken in your polemic that despots rise to power because of things like this. No one’s convictions were erradicated or solidified because of Broussard crying.

    After that aired on MTP, I heard maybe one or two mentions of it at the water cooler the next day at work and that was about it. People are not actively engaged in their debates about Katrina and the governments’ failed responses because of Broussard’s appearance or tale on MTP.

    I, along with just about everyone else, thought the clip showed tragedy in its rawest form. If Broussard was wrong or embellished, then he deserves to be slammed.

    Outside of that, what is your point?

  29. 29
    scs says:

    Thanks Stormy70, I didn’t mean you. Always appreciated your well-expressed and humourous comments.

  30. 30
    ppGaz says:

    scs, I remember your comment and I defended it the day you made it. I also have commented at other blogs that a commenter here on Balloon Juice questioned this story first, before anyone else connected the dots. Good job!

    This is the inimitable Stormy at work. Stormy, the death of whose cat caused a bigger outpouring of sympathy here than did the death of Casey Sheehan. Stormy, who wants to “light up” the Palestinians, because “all the good ones have left.”

    This is Stormy, folks, talking about a story that involves the drowning deaths of 30+ old people, who thinks it’s great that the guy on tv GOT THE DROWNING DATE WRONG because it makes her look better.

    Welcome to Balloon-Juice. You couldn’t invent this place, if it didn’t exist.

  31. 31
    anon says:

    did I? well let me add asshole as well. To say that he was “faking” is just so asinine. After the horrendous experience he had gone through, surrounded by death and utter destruction, you think he premeditatedly faked being upset at his friend’s mother’s death? Right. and you call others brainwashed? And you knew this because you felt it in your “gut” that he was acting? lol Yes, piece of shit is still quite operable.

    Check out the big mouth on Joe Albino! Or Slide/Slug or whatever else he’s calling himself these days.

    Dkos/DU BIG Talker!! Macho moonbat!!

  32. 32
    scs says:

    My point, AncientPurple, is that NO ONE checked up on the guy’s story, which they used as a rallying cry, and which should have been easily ‘checkable’. The media is supposed to check on stories, remember? I cannot consider this anything else but indicative of left-wing media bias I hear so much about, I’m sad to say. (And don’t call me a right-winger in your reply, still consider myself a centrist.)

    The point is not Broussard, who’s an idiot, the point is a media and a nation so willing to believe anything if it fits their idea of the world.

  33. 33
    scs says:

    who thinks it’s great that the guy on tv GOT THE DROWNING DATE WRONG because it makes her look better

    .

    Sorry to say PPgaz, you are in denial as well. This is not the case of a man ‘getting the dates wrong’. This is a man who purposefully manipulated the media in a cold and calculating way, for what ends, who knows.

  34. 34
    slide says:

    anon sputtering:

    Dkos/DU BIG Talker!! Macho moonbat!!

    I love you too sweetie.

  35. 35
    slide says:

    This is a man who purposefully manipulated the media in a cold and calculating way, for what ends, who knows.

    I agree, Chertoff should be ashamed of himself.

  36. 36
    slide says:

    The media is supposed to check on stories, remember?

    I agree again. Has any in the MSM asked either Chertoff or General Myers exactly what newspaper they read on Tuesday morning that said, New Orleans Dodged the Bullet? Anybody? Especially, as I demonstrated EVERYONE knew on Monday morning that the levees have been breeched. Must be that right wing bias in the media.

  37. 37
    Ancient Purple says:

    My point, AncientPurple, is that NO ONE checked up on the guy’s story, which they used as a rallying cry, and which should have been easily ‘checkable’. The media is supposed to check on stories, remember? I cannot consider this anything else but indicative of left-wing media bias I hear so much about, I’m sad to say. (And don’t call me a right-winger in your reply, still consider myself a centrist.)

    The point is not Broussard, who’s an idiot, the point is a media and a nation so willing to believe anything if it fits their idea of the world.

    You will not get any disagreement from me that the story should have been fact checked. But I think you are giving the story more legs than it has. Honestly, scs, people really did not see this as more than a tragic story. I doubt you could find more than a handful of people who would claim that Broussard’s appearance on MTP was the tipping point for them.

    I haven’t heard a single person bring it up in conversation, and, in fact, I bet if you brought it up to someone, they would say, “Oh, yeah, I remember that,” thus indicating that this was not the “big story” of Katrina’s aftermath.

    I am certain that one photo of a body floating in the flood waters was exponentially more powerful than Broussard’s appearance on MTP.

  38. 38
    anon says:

    I love you too sweetie.

    That is too fucking gross, Albino.

  39. 39
    Mac Buckets says:

    For reference, that compares to 35,000 dead in Europe from… a heat wave.

    Compare it to 800 dying in a heatwave in 1995 Chicago! Katrina will be finally known for the property damage it caused, not its human toll, which frankly is not of historic proportions.

    Heatwaves are no joke (they cover massive areas at a time, you can’t go to higher ground, you can’t really evacuate), but they don’t get big press, because they don’t produce pretty pictures of nature’s fury and destruction. And that’s what’s important to TV…pictures, not lives.

    A business partner was in Paris during the heat wave, and he told me that many elderly and infirm in his neighborhood died simply because they couldn’t do anything about their homes becoming ovens for two weeks. You couldn’t buy a window AC unit or an electric fan anywhere, and the department stores wouldn’t order more, even though my friend offered $200 bucks for a fan. All the roads were packed because everyone who had a car was driving around with the AC on to say cool. He’d go to his building’s swimming pool every day, but he couldn’t swim because it was so jammed with people — so everyone just stood in the water, shoulder-to-shoulder.

    And talk about government inaction! The French government did nothing for a week, and then added more hospital beds for the second week — that was their emergency response to a heatwave that was killing thousands of Parisians. No A/C in the hospitals, no shipments of ice, no A/Ced evacuation centers — but they added beds! After it cooled down, the government first said that only about 1000 or so people died in Paris, but the eventual number turned out to be over 15,000. The French Parliament blamed the deaths on their complex healthcare system and failure of government agencies.

  40. 40
    scs says:

    Slide, you’re dodging the issue. Seems to be a common argument tactic on here when people are wrong. Just because I give an example of left-wing bias does not mean there are no right-wing biases ever too. I’m trying to stick to the point at hand here – not engage in obfuscation.

  41. 41
    Mac Buckets says:

    So slide IS Joe Albanese? I think I actually commented in jest recently on the, ummmmmm, “intellectual similarities” of the “two” posters. Too funny!

  42. 42
    scs says:

    And talk about government inaction! The French government did nothing for a week

    I agree, the Europeans are quick to criticize. I wonder how ANY country would or could handle the response to a disaster of that size. I also think it’s funny how Europeans were SHOCKED to find out the US has poor people, as if they didn’t have any either.

  43. 43
    slide says:

    scs:

    Just because I give an example of left-wing bias

    No, you didn’t give me an example of left wing bias you gave me an example of poor journalism perhaps, but not left wing bias. You don’t really think that any reporter won’t have loved coming up with the fact that his story didn’t match up do you? Are you really that delusional that you think reporters, across the spectrum, don’t go after stories because of their political biases? Did Fox come up with the story? Did the Wall Street Journal? Is EVERY reporter liberal? Its just such a stupid argument. I used the Chertoff counterpoint just to make that very point. I don’t think the failure to question Chertoff was due to right wing bias, just piss poor journalism.

    When Broussard made that statement on MTP you will recall there was still a little news going on in NO? Katrina was/is a HUGE HUGE story, spanning three states and all levels of government. If you think the priority of the media should have been to track down Broussard’s story, with all that was going on at the time, is just plain idiotic. But, making it a left wing conspiracy makes it oh so much more juicy doesn’t it?

  44. 44
    Steve S says:

    It’s always interesting how Republicans pick apart any story until they find the lone inconsistency, and then claim the whole story is false as a result of that.

    I never really picked up on this particular story, and never thought it was that big of a deal. apparently it scared some Republicans like Instaidiot Reynolds.

  45. 45
    Mac Buckets says:

    I agree, the Europeans are quick to criticize.

    When the Katrina-whiners saw Europe laid low by a couple of weeks of 100-degree weather, they must’ve realized that the UK, France, Italy, Germany, et. al., were all weak, third-world countries guided by inept, heartless and stupid leaders, and that the economic policies of their governments had produced inequities that had doomed many of their citizens to die. Those deaths were on Chirac’s and Schroeder’s hands! Right? Or is that rhetoric reserved only for American Republican presidents?

    I also think it’s funny how Europeans were SHOCKED to find out the US has poor people, as if they didn’t have any either.

    I was watching a travel show last night where a European made the comment that many Euros think that all Americans are rich. Stereotypes are funny.

  46. 46
    anon says:

    So slide IS Joe Albanese? I think I actually commented in jest recently on the, ummmmmm, “intellectual similarities” of the “two” posters. Too funny!

    Yeah, Cole called him out one day a week or so back, when he started posting as slide

    This was after he ranted as J. Albino, that he would NEVER, EVER com back to balloon-juice.com because of some post John put up. EVER!! AND HE MEANT IT!!

    Unfortunately, Albino/slide didn’t realize that Mr. Cole can see the IP addresses of all of the commenters here.

    BWAHAHA!!!

  47. 47
    scs says:

    Steve S, It scared me that I heard a story repeated over and over again, especially on MSNBC and on Hardball, and it was never investigated. It makes me wonder what else the media is doing this with. This was not some little news blip, this was a big deal for some channels, with lots of air time. And the whole time I first heard it, I was wondering, how could a lady drown several days later in a home? What did she do for the first few days, stand in the water? That sounds odd, I thought. Anyway, I had lots of questions on it, and there was no attempt to answer it until weeks later. The inept and gullible media should scare Dems and Republicans alike.

  48. 48
    slide says:

    Katrina will be finally known for the property damage it caused, not its human toll, which frankly is not of historic proportions.

    Another brilliant statement. So you think that one million Americans displaced is not a historic human toll? that there are currently 2000 missing children weeks after the hurricane is not a historic human toll? Imagine if you were missing your child, not knowing if she is alive or dead. Families separated. Homes and lifelong possessions gone forever for hundreds of thousands. Human misery is not measured in the number of deaths alone.

  49. 49
    Mac Buckets says:

    I was watching a travel show last night where a European made the comment that many Euros think that all Americans are rich. Stereotypes are funny.

    Meant to add, “After all, they’ve never seen an American homeless guy on the streets of Monte Carlo or Rome!” And now I realize I shouldn’t have bothered.

  50. 50
    slide says:

    So slide IS Joe Albanese?

    guys this is no big secret. Cole has been reponding to me by that name for weeks now. Not trying to hide anything. No gottcha here. Decided to be somewhat more anonymous like 95% of the posters here.

  51. 51
    scs says:

    Yes I have many cousins from Germany, (and some from Italy too, but they aren’t so bad) and the things they say about Americans would make you cringe. But they say it so innocently, like it is just a fact. Kind of makes me wonder about their media there. It has got to be bad if it makes their citizens believe in generalities as facts.

  52. 52
    Mac Buckets says:

    Another brilliant statement. So you think that one million Americans displaced is not a historic human toll

    Yes, that is what I think. Historically speaking, the destruction of the physical city and the making of a new city will be the headline. The deaths will be a subhead. Displacements will be a footnote, just like they always are.

    that there are currently 2000 missing children weeks after the hurricane is not a historic human toll?

    2000 missing or separated children is indeed tragic (we’ll see what the final number turns out to be), but no, it’s not historic. Compare it to the human toll of the Christmas Tsunami, and Katrina isn’t even the Storm of the Last Nine Months.

  53. 53
    Mark says:

    I see a lot of comments criticizing the media for being lazy or sloppy or partisan. But isn’t this whole discussion revolving around the MSNBC/NBC story linked above? Maybe it was bloggers who raised questions about this guy’s story, but it was the mainstream media that dug up the truth.

  54. 54
    scs says:

    Maybe it was bloggers who raised questions about this guy’s story, but it was the mainstream media that dug up the truth.

    Yeah, like a month later, when it should have taken them an hour.

  55. 55
    slide says:

    Yeah, like a month later, when it should have taken them an hour.

    Taken them an hour? they didn’t even get to the nursing home until days later. Who should have jumped on this story? What other stories should have been put aside to research this? For what purpose? Was this story more pressing than the dozens and dozens of much more important stories that needed to be followed at this time. You know the right always finds deep sinister motives behind everything. I guess that tells you something about their character when they think everyone else is involved in political dirty tricks.

    You know had the media gone after the story and had it turned out exactly as described, the scs’s of the world would have pointed to THAT as liberal bias. Why are they doing this story again? Why are they making such an issue of this one woman? Why are they sensationalizing her death? yada yada yada. You can’t win with the kool-aid crowd.

  56. 56
    Mark says:

    “Yeah, like a month later, when it should have taken them an hour.”

    If you were so sure the story was wrong, you could have gotten yourself a big scoop with just one phone call to the parish.

  57. 57
    anon says:

    You know the right always finds deep sinister motives behind everything. I guess that tells you something about their character when they think everyone else is involved in political dirty tricks.

    Pot, meet kettle.

    You’re just too much entertainment.

  58. 58
    slide says:

    Pot, meet kettle.

    How original.

  59. 59
    anon says:

    How original.

    About as profound, witty, and original! as you are, Joe Slide.

    If you want to disagree with a poster, can’t you do any better than calling them assholes, Nazis, etc….?

    You’re a mess, Jose Slide

    Go to bed.

  60. 60
    donald says:

    Well Nikki, seeing as how the Broussard interview was plastered on MEET THE FUCKING PRESS as yet another democratic screed against the current administration in an effort to PROVE that George Bush is a murderous bastard, I give a shit. And I give a shit that you people have to make every single damned thing a POLITICAL WAR. I mean, you know, eat shit. You people can’t remember all of your lies.

  61. 61
    Shygetz says:

    Yeah, donald, and where is Osama bin Laden? Oh yeah, Bush doesn’t really care.

    Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Oh yeah, it’s not important, we are there to export democracy now.

    Where is that government report we were promised on how the Bush administration handled the intelligence about Iraq? Oh yeah, it doesn’t matter now.

    Amazing how much wingnut rage there is over some nobody getting a little bit of airtime, yet no rage about the terrible lies and abuses of power from an administration that supposedly represents their world viewpoint. If a political party that I associated myself with closely were to be this underhanded and screw up this badly, you wouldn’t be able to hear the opposition over my screams of outrage.

  62. 62
    Nikki says:

    Well Nikki, seeing as how the Broussard interview was plastered on MEET THE FUCKING PRESS as yet another democratic screed against the current administration in an effort to PROVE that George Bush is a murderous bastard, I give a shit. And I give a shit that you people have to make every single damned thing a POLITICAL WAR. I mean, you know, eat shit. You people can’t remember all of your lies.

    Oooo, did I strike a nerve?

  63. 63
    slide says:

    anon at 11:15 pm:

    Dkos/DU BIG Talker!! Macho moonbat!!

    anon at 1:12 am:

    If you want to disagree with a poster, can’t you do any better than calling them assholes, Nazis, etc….?

    To use your phrase; Pot, meet kettle.

    Oh, and btw, I never used the term Nazi. Ever. In any post. Search to your heart’s content. As a matter of fact, the only reference to the Nazi regime was made against my “side” of the argument by scs who said:

    Now I know how people like Hitler get to power. It’s because of easily brainwashed, unquestioning people like the ones who type on this blog.

  64. 64
    Defense Guy says:

    ShyGetz

    That’s known as changing the subject. Good for ‘winning’ the argument, and not much else.

    Don’t worry, your hate the president creds are intact. Shall we just go ahead and mark you down as wishing harm to all those who are Republicans as well?

    As to the subject of this thread. The man was lying, I feel bad for his loss, but what a scumbag.

  65. 65
    Mike says:

    “ppGaz Says:
    The announcement came after repeated warnings from top federal officials — and the president himself — that the city was unsafe.”

    I think that’s what happens when you put a Coast Guard Admiral in charge of something vice an empty suit like Brown. You get good advice and you get action. Glad to hear this.

  66. 66
    jobiuspublius says:

    It wouldn’t surprise me if someone died in a manner similar to the one Broussard described. Incidentaly, was NOLA still flooding on friday sept. 2nd? Broussards errors are miniscule and they may have helped people get off their ass and do something, even if only donate.

  67. 67
    p.lukasiak says:

    on the correction front….

    http://www.2theadvocate.com/st.....o001.shtml

    Hours after the hurricane hit Aug. 29, the Federal Emergency Management Agency announced a plan to send 500 commercial buses into New Orleans to rescue thousands of people left stranded on highways, overpasses and in shelters, hospitals and homes.

    On the day of the storm, or perhaps the day after, FEMA turned down the state’s suggestion to use school buses because they are not air conditioned, Blanco said Friday in an interview.

    of course, John can’t be bothered with exposing the lies that constitute his right-wing talking points….

  68. 68

    OH man, the “left wing media bias” thing came up again. Can we please stop pretending that is true? Yes, the media is bad, but it is neither left nor right. It is just lazy. See here.

  69. 69
    slide says:

    p.lukasiak don’t you realize that when John uses a heading like this:

    Another Katrina Myth Permanently De-Bunked

    it’s going to be the “debunking” of some minor insignificant point to support his insane, and very lonely, position that the federal government did “all they could possibly be expected to do”.(we all remember his earth shaking debunking of the Wallmart water truck don’t we?)

    Don’t ever expect however, any “debunking” of the misstatements (lies) of Chertoff, Brown or Bush regarding the federal government’s response. (think “Dodge the Bullet”, “no one anticipated the levees to breech”, etc. etc.

    Rove would be so proud.

  70. 70
    kl says:

    of course, John can’t be bothered with exposing the lies that constitute his right-wing talking points…

    How’s Bill Burkett doing these days?

  71. 71
    donald says:

    Yes, you did. I’m no George Bush fan. Except for the terror business (He’s way too fucking soft) and tax policy he’s as crappy a president as Clinton and Carter (Two odius people as you’ll ever find). And all of your bullshit is ok with me, except when stupid people want to play Viet Nam protesters when we’re involved with an actual threat (Viet Nam was not threat to this country). The politicizing of everything is sickening and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

    Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found on a regular basis. Actually read the data out there. And more will be found. In addition, a quick invasion of Iraq, instead of fucking around with the UN would have turned up more. Even your simple brain may concede that it’s probable that mass amounts of this material has been moved to Syria and Iran. Your inability to follow simple logic astounding folks.

    I’m still betting Osama’s dead, I could be wrong on this one.

    Bottom line, you people are giving aid and comfort to an enemy. You are prolonging a religious war. How? Rest assured, that had the corrupt governments of Russia, France, and Germany (Anybody paying attention to the Oil For Food program?), decided at the time of this invasion to do the right thing (Crush Islamist terrorism) there would be a whole lot less of this bullshit going on. Also, if Al Gore had followed the exact machinations of Bush you would call him a hero. Why? Because you’re shitheads.

  72. 72
    slide says:

    Is Donald one of those fake posters? Guys that make incredibly stupid remarks to bring discredit to the side he pretending to be on? Nobody could possibly be as ill informed as he is right? A joke?

    Well, in case anyone actually believes he is legit I guess a few points are in order:

    the Donald:

    Viet Nam was not threat to this country

    Oh, yeah we all know that NOW but at the time, people like you, were saying that Viet Nam was very much a threat. The domino theory. Today Viet Nam, tomorrow California. The great Red Menace. But to you, Iraq was a threat? And how were they a threat to the USA? With what? To use Zel Miller’s words, “with spitballs”?

    the Donald:

    Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found on a regular basis. Actually read the data out there. And more will be found

    the data out there:

    On January 23, 2004, the head of the ISG, David Kay, resigned his position, stating that he believed WMD would not be found in Iraq. “I don’t think they existed,” commented Dr. Kay.

    Kay’s successor, named by CIA director George Tenet, is the former UN weapons inspector Charles Duelfer. Duelfer has stated that the chances of finding any WMD in Iraq are “close to nil”.

    the Donald:

    Even your simple brain may concede that it’s probable that mass amounts of this material has been moved to Syria and Iran. Your inability to follow simple logic astounding folks.

    The experts:

    U.S. investigators hunting for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq have found no evidence that such material was moved to Syria for safekeeping before the war, according to a final report of the investigation released yesterday.

    the Donald:

    I’m still betting Osama’s dead, I could be wrong on this one.

    Of course Donald must know that there are audio and video tapes of OBL that have been concluded to be authentic by CIA voice analysis.

    the Donald:

    that had the corrupt governments of Russia, France, and Germany (Anybody paying attention to the Oil For Food program?)

    FOX News thinks you should add the USA to those corrupt governments involved in the oil for food scandal:

    NEW YORK — A Texas businessman is one of three people who were indicted Thursday as part of the U.N.’s Oil-for-Food (search) scandal.

    the Donald:

    decided at the time of this invasion to do the right thing (Crush Islamist terrorism) there would be a whole lot less of this bullshit going on

    Saddam may have been a lot of things, but an Islamic Terrorist was not one of them. As a matter of fact Saddam was quite successful in preventing the type of Islamic extremism from gaining a foothold in his country as it would not have been in the interest of the secular dictator that he was.

    Good work Donald, you have conclusively demonstrated that you don’t know diddly.

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    Mac Buckets says:

    it’s going to be the “debunking” of some minor insignificant point.

    …think “Dodge the Bullet”

    I’d probably lay off the hypocrisy charges, if I’d just written those sentences, but that’s just me and my shreds of decency.

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    jobiuspublius says:

    Oh, donald.

  75. 75
    TallDave says:

    slide,

    It’s really not that complicated. Before airing a sensational story, you should check whether that person is actually telling the truth.

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    TallDave says:

    And I not only blame you all, but the gullible media, who played that guy, who wanted his 15 minutes of fame, over and over, on national TV, and never ONCE thought to call the guy Broussard was talking about and ask him if the story was true

    Exactly. Yellow journalism.

  77. 77
    Ancient Purple says:

    Bottom line, you people are giving aid and comfort to an enemy.

    Ah, the battlecry of the people who long for the day of the House Subcommittee on Un-American Activites.

    Next, you will be stating that criticizing the President in a time of war is sedition.

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    slide says:

    buckets:

    I’d probably lay off the hypocrisy charges

    mac you dont’ see the substanitive difference between Broussard and the Head of Homeland Security telling the nation that he thought everything was honky dory on TUESDAY morning because of what he read in some fictional newspaper when it had been reported EVERYWHERE that the levees had been breeched on MONDAY morning? Those two things are of equal importance to you? Ok.

  79. 79
    Mac Buckets says:

    FOX News thinks you should add the USA to those corrupt governments involved in the oil for food scandal:

    NEW YORK — A Texas businessman is one of three people who were indicted Thursday as part of the U.N.’s Oil-for-Food (search) scandal.

    Let’s all make fun of Joe Slide’s inability to tell the difference between a private company and a government. I’ll go first: “LOL! That slide guy thinks that “a Texas businessman” is the US government! What a clown! If he’s wrong about that, I’ll bet he’s wrong about every single thing he’s ever said in his life!”

    …and so forth.

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    slide says:

    TallDave:

    It’s really not that complicated. Before airing a sensational story, you should check whether that person is actually telling the truth.

    They weren’t “airing a sensational story”, it was a LIVE INTERVIEW. The reporter, Tim Russett did not REPORT anything, he asked questions of a government official who then said what he did. Its really not that complicated TallDave.

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    TallDave says:

    slide,

    It wasn’t live when it was re-run over and over on other networks.

    Also, Russert should be vetting his guests better, and investigating their lurid claims.

  82. 82
    Stormy70 says:

    Also, Russert should be vetting his guests better, and investigating their lurid claims.

    Right. First laugh of the day. The press can’t report itself out of a paper bag.

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    Nikki says:

    Also, Russert should be vetting his guests better, and investigating their lurid claims.

    Like the ones stating all the newspaper headlines showed that NO had dodged a bullet?

  85. 85
    slide says:

    I’ll bet he’s wrong about every single thing he’s ever said in his life!”

    Wouldn’t you wish buckets. Just upset because I demonstrated how wrong you were about the “16 words in the State of the union speech”. Aren’t you? lol.

    Donald was talking about the corrupt governements of France etc. etc. I would be cautious about throwing around words like corrupt with the bush record. Last estimate I saw is that 8.8 Billion dollars of Iraq oil money, managed by Bremmer and company, is “missing”. Eight BILLION dollars. Does that make the American government courrupt? You guys are always so very very selective in what outrages you. I still have not seen any EVIDENCE that the governments of the listed countries were offically involved in the oil for food scandal but rather individuals that may have worked for the government. By that same standard America is corrupt because they just arrested his head of procurement policy at the Office of Management and Budget

    The arrest of the official, David H. Safavian, head of procurement policy at the Office of Management and Budget, was the first to result from the wide-ranging corruption investigation of Mr. Abramoff, once among the most powerful and best-paid lobbyists in Washington and a close friend of Representative Tom DeLay, the House majority leader.

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    Mac Buckets says:

    he thought everything was honky dory on TUESDAY morning because of what he read in some fictional newspaper when it had been reported EVERYWHERE that the levees had been breeched on MONDAY morning?

    Are you seriously disputing that Tuesday morning, most people thought NO had gotten off lucky when the storm veered east? I certainly thought so, becuase we were watching the media. My wife had the hurricane coverage TiVoed (she had relatives there) and the first shot she recorded on CNN Tuesday morning was some reporter walking through the French quarter saying almost the exact words, “New Orleans dodged a bullet,” noting the far greater damage in Misissippi.

    Yes, the levees had been breeched Monday AM. No, it was not common knowledge, even in NO (as some brilliant videoblogs of the hurricane point out) until midday Tuesday, nor had it been reported “everywhere” Monday or even Tuesday morning that New Orleans was about to fill up like a cereal bowl. The media largely ignored the few reports of the breaks, so to say that reports were “everywhere” is just your own fantasy.

    A little proof? On the 50-odd archived front pages of Tuesday papers at Newseum, guess how many even mentioned the levees or the fact that the NO bowl was about to fill up and drown the city (which would certainly have been the big headline)? Zero.

    Should the FEMA head have gotten reports from somewhere beside newspapers? Absolutely, but that’s another question.

    Broussard lied, Brown was uninformed.

  87. 87
    BillS says:

    Oh, yes for those who don’t think that
    any country could have coped with a Katrina-like hurricane there’s this article from La Prensa-San Diego.

    Cuba’s Hurricane Response Far Superior

    La Prensa-San Diego, Commentary, Marjorie Cohn, Sep 13, 2005

    Last September, a Category 5 hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour winds. More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no one died.

    What is Cuban President Fidel Castro’s secret? According to Dr. Nelson Valdes, a sociology professor at the University of New Mexico, and specialist in Latin America, “the whole civil defense is embedded in the community to begin with. People know ahead of time where they are to go.”

    “Cuba’s leaders go on TV and take charge,” said Valdes. Contrast this with George W. Bush’s reaction to Hurricane Katrina. The day after Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Bush was playing golf. He waited three days to make a TV appearance and five days before visiting the disaster site. In a scathing editorial on Thursday, the New York Times reported, “nothing about the president’s demeanor yesterday – which seemed casual to the point of carelessness – suggested that he understood the depth of the current crisis.”

    “Merely sticking people in a stadium is unthinkable” in Cuba, Valdes said. “Shelters all have medical personnel from the neighborhood. They have family doctors in Cuba, who evacuate together with the neighborhood, and already know, for example, who needs insulin.”

    They also evacuate animals and veterinarians, TV sets and refrigerators, “so that people aren’t reluctant to leave because people might steal their stuff,” Valdes added.

    After Hurricane Ivan, the United Nations International Secretariat for Disaster Reduction (ISDR) cited Cuba as a model for hurricane preparation. ISDR Director Salvano Briceno said, “The Cuban way could easily be applied to other countries with similar economic conditions and even in countries with greater resources that do not manage to protect their population as well as Cuba does.”

    I have no love for Castro or Communism but if a relatively impoverished Caribbean island can save the ALL the people (and pets/livestock) then I’m sure the U.S. could— if we really wanted to.

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    Defense Guy says:

    Yes because the Castro regime is to be believed.

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    Slide says:

    Are you seriously disputing that Tuesday morning, most people thought NO had gotten off lucky when the storm veered east?

    Yes. And ESPECIALLY the head of homeland security which should have known better. Why? Well, here is why:

    The New Orleans office of the National Weather Service issued a flash flood warning at 8:14 a.m. Monday, saying “a levee breach occurred along the industrial canal at Tennessee Street. 3 to 8 feet of water is expected due to the breach.

    At 7:33 a.m. on Monday, Aug. 29, Gov. Kathleen B. Blanco said on NBC, “I believe the water has breached the levee system, and is—is coming in.”

    In its Aug. 29 (Monday) online edition, the New Orleans Times-Picayune first reported a breach in the 17th Street Canal levee at 2 p.m., citing City Hall officials

    .

    City Hall knew. Governor Blanco knew. The New Orleans Times-Picayune knew. The National Weather service knew. Even FOX news reported by 5pm on MONDAY that the levees were breeched adn that NO was filling up with water. But the Head of Homeland Security wakes up and reads the papers on TUESDAY morning and basis his assesment on what is going on by them? Even if true, which it clearly is not, that would be incredible negligence on his part.

    Lol… kool-aid for sale. Kool-aid for sale.

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    Krista says:

    After Hurricane Ivan, the United Nations International Secretariat for Disaster Reduction (ISDR) cited Cuba as a model for hurricane preparation. ISDR Director Salvano Briceno said, “The Cuban way could easily be applied to other countries with similar economic conditions and even in countries with greater resources that do not manage to protect their population as well as Cuba does.”

    The Castro regime’s trustworthiness notwithstanding, I don’t think that the IDSR consists of a bunch of closet Communists who think Castro’s just swell, and who would make this stuff up just to make him look good.

  91. 91
    Mac Buckets says:

    Just upset because I demonstrated how wrong you were about the “16 words in the State of the union speech”. Aren’t you?

    You have a rich fantasy life, Joe.

    Last estimate I saw is that 8.8 Billion dollars of Iraq oil money, managed by Bremmer and company, is “missing”. Eight BILLION dollars. Does that make the American government courrupt?

    That’s some typically desperate straw-grasping to gloss over your ridiculous (and now-abandoned) argument that an unnamed Texas businessman is the US government, but I’ll grant it this one time.

    No, missing money just makes us bad accountants of a huge bureaucracy, and if that surprises you… If we find out the money was stolen by government officials at the expense of the people of Iraq, that would warrant a corruption charge. But nothing like that has happened yet.

    I still have not seen any EVIDENCE that the governments of the listed countries were offically involved in the oil for food scandal but rather individuals that may have worked for the government.

    Funniest. Sentence. Ever. Talk about selective outrage some more… please?

    By that same standard America is corrupt because they just arrested his head of procurement policy at the Office of Management and Budget

    Now you are just being retarded. You are reduced to trying to equate an obstruction charge against a former GSA official (which resulted because the US government investigated it), to “Oil-for-Fraud,” which would still be going on if not for the US actions in Iraq and would be unknown except for the US’s involvement in bringing the case to light. Tell me, how did this GSA guy kill thoudands of Iraqis by denying them medicine and food?

    Your weak attempts to excuse corruption and what could easily be called murder are as revolting as they are pathetic.

  92. 92
    Mac Buckets says:

    And ESPECIALLY the head of homeland security which should have known better.

    Of course. He should’ve gotten reports directly from the National Weather Service, and it’s clear he did not. We’ll find out why in the coming investigation.

    But again, it’s easy to dispute your notion that reports “everywhere” (I know you were just being hyperbolic) said the levees had been broken. Why did the CNN reporter say NO had “dodged the bullet” on Tuesday if “everyone” knew that NO was about to fill up with water? Why wasn’t the upcoming flooding of New Orleans the lead story of every TV news and newspaper account on Tuesday morning, instead of being unmentioned? The fact is, the media largely ignored the reports of the levee breaks. Whether they didn’t think it was important, or whether they had problems with the info, who knows?

  93. 93
    Darrell says:

    Regarding those who died in the NO nursing home, I was talking to a structural engineer friend of mine about the horror of those deaths, and his response was interesting. In CA, he worked on a project where it was discovered a primary girder in a hospital was so severely damaged, that even a mild seismic event would likely trigger a large scale collapse.. and that a wing of the hospital needed to be evacuated immediately for repair. When informed of this, the hospital owners/mgmt. responded that if they had to make such an evacuation, they would lose 2 – 3 patients at a minimum, and they made the decision that repairs must be done without evacuation even if doing the repairs in that fashion would take much longer, putting patients in danger if an earthquake hit.

    My engineer friend insisted that the nursing home owner almost certainly went through a similar calculus as the hospital regarding the sudden evacuation of elderly patients, many(most?) of whom can’t even sit up in a bus seat or walk, and others who could not survive such an ordeal. Since prior hurricanes had left New Orleans relatively unscathed, the nursing home owners made a cold, reasoned risk assessment of the consequences of such an evacuation. They made the wrong decision. But had they evacuated and the storm not done so much damage, the nursing home owners would have been criticized for killing & injuring patients who shouldn’t have been moved. Interesting point I thought. One that hadn’t occurred to me before my friend raised this perspective

  94. 94
    jobiuspublius says:

    Darrell Says:

    My engineer friend insisted that the nursing home owner almost certainly went through a similar calculus as the hospital regarding the sudden evacuation of elderly patients, many(most?) of whom can’t even sit up in a bus seat or walk, and others who could not survive such an ordeal. Since prior hurricanes had left New Orleans relatively unscathed, the nursing home owners made a cold, reasoned risk assessment of the consequences of such an evacuation. They made the wrong decision. But had they evacuated and the storm not done so much damage, the nursing home owners would have been criticized for killing & injuring patients who shouldn’t have been moved. Interesting point I thought. One that hadn’t occurred to me before my friend raised this perspective

    So, your friend is implying that it would have been impossible to evacuate those people. I find it hard to believe that it would be impossible. They should have had a good plan. Naggin evacuate 80% of NOLA, a record, maybe they should have asked him for advice. Didn’t the other nursing homes in the area evacuate?

  95. 95
    jobiuspublius says:

    Cornyn and Hutchison: Modern Day Segrationists

  96. 96
    Darrell says:

    They should have had a good plan. Naggin evacuate 80% of NOLA, a record, maybe they should have asked him for advice.

    Nagin didn’t issue mandatory evacuation orders until Sunday evening just befor the storm hit. And with all those buses underwater, I can certainly see why those on your side now assert that we should rely on his advice on matters of emergency evacuatin

    Didn’t the other nursing homes in the area evacuate?

    Great question.. Anybody know? I can’t imagine many people permitting their parents and grandparents to stay in nursing homes below sea level in hurricane alley so my guess (and it’s only that) is that few nursing homes were built there

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    slide says:

    clueless mac buckets:

    Why wasn’t the upcoming flooding of New Orleans the lead story of every TV news and newspaper account on Tuesday morning, instead of being unmentioned? The fact is, the media largely ignored the reports of the levee breaks

    Huh? Even our Leader , John Cole was reporting that the “worst case scenario” had happened by Tuesday morning. Wonder where he got the info from?

    The Levee Broke
    By: John Cole
    August 30, 2005 at 8:18 am

    It looks like New Orleans is dealing with the worst case scenario

    Nagin said that about 80 percent of the city was flooded and that some areas were under 20 feet of water.

    I don’t know what papers Chertoff was talking about but I assume he gets the Washington Post. This is what they were reporting Tuesday morning:

    Washington Post, Tuesday, 1:57 a.m.: “In nearby coastal St. Bernard Parish, Katrina’s storm surge swamped an estimated 40,000 homes. In a particularly low-lying neighborhood on the south shore of Lake Pontchartrain, a levee along a canal gave way and forced dozens of residents to flee or scramble to the roofs when water rose to their gutters.”

    How about the Washington Times what were they reporting:

    Gulf Coast Pounded
    Big Easy Flooded

    Yes, I can see how the head of Homeland Security, the individual responsible for National disasters, as per the National Response Plan, didn’t know 24 hours after the levees were breeched that such a dastardly thing had happened.

    Kool aid…. get your Kool aid

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    Com Con says:

    I knew that guy was a liar the minute he started crying.

    Face it, Nagin and Blanco screwed up. Bush and FEMA did their best to pull their asses out of the fryer, but in the end incompetence kills. The blame game is going to come back to bite the Democrats on the ass, when all the blame is fixed on them. I can’t wait until the White House probe comes back with the straight dope on this. Just don’t start whining about the blame game when it does, my lefto friends.

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    Com Con says:

    Nagin didn’t issue mandatory evacuation orders until Sunday evening just befor the storm hit.

    It’s all his and Blanco’s fault more or less. That’s what the probe will show. I feel bad that Brown had to lose his over this. I know his resume didn’t look so good, but I haven’t seen anyone point to one thing he did wrong.

    The people of New Orleans should be grateful this happened under Bush. I shudder to think what would have happened if Clinton had been overseeing things when a disaster like this hit.

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    Darrell says:

    The people of New Orleans should be grateful this happened under Bush. I shudder to think what would have happened if Clinton had been overseeing things when a disaster like this hit.

    Just curious whether ‘Com Con’ has the same IP address as ‘DougJ’

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    slide says:

    Com con:

    Bush and FEMA did their best to pull their asses out of the fryer, but in the end incompetence kills.

    I haven’t had such a good laugh in quite a while.

    Here is some more of FEMA bailing out the locals:

    Hours after the hurricane hit Aug. 29, the Federal Emergency Management Agency announced a plan to send 500 commercial buses into New Orleans to rescue thousands of people left stranded on highways, overpasses and in shelters, hospitals and homes.

    On the day of the storm, or perhaps the day after, FEMA turned down the state’s suggestion to use school buses because they are not air conditioned, Blanco said Friday in an interview.

    Even after levees broke and residents were crowding the Louisiana Superdome, then-FEMA Director Mike Brown was bent on using his own buses to evacuate New Orleans, Blanco said.
    Blanco took over more buses from Louisiana school systems and sent them in on Wednesday, two days after the storm. She tapped the National Guard to drive them. Each time the buses emptied an area, more people would appear, she said.

    The buses took 15,728 people to safety, a Blanco aide said. But the state’s fleet of school buses wasn’t enough. On Wednesday, with the FEMA buses still not in sight, Blanco called the White House to talk to Bush and ended up speaking to Chief of Staff Andy Card.

    “I said, ‘Even if we had 500 buses, they’ve underestimated the magnitude of this situation, and I think I need 5,000 buses, not 500,'” Blanco recounted.

    “‘But, Andy, those 500 are not here,'” the governor said.

    Card promised to get Blanco more buses.

    Later Wednesday night, Blanco walked into the State Police Communications Center and asked if anyone knew anything about the buses.

    An officer told her the buses were just entering the state.

    “I said, ‘Do you mean as in North Louisiana, which is another six hours from New Orleans?,'” Blanco recalled in the interview. “He said, ‘Yes, m’am.'”

    It was late Wednesday. The buses wouldn’t get to New Orleans until Thursday. By then, many of the sickest and the weakest were dead or dying.

    Ya gotta read the whole article. FEMA bailing out the locals? lol..yeah…

    Kool-aid… get your Kool-aid

    Com Con did get one thing right:

    but in the end incompetence kills.

    How true it is.

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    Com Con says:

    You think Clinton *would have* handled it better, Darrell?

  103. 103
    Com Con says:

    There were chaing of command problems, slide. If Blanco had coordinated with the feds better, this would not have happened.

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    jobiuspublius says:

    Slide:

    What Jerktoff meant was that NOLA got the weaker side of the hurricane, the west side, not the stronger side, the east. Dam, some one needs to higher me!

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    jobiuspublius says:

    Com Con Says:

    There were chaing of command problems, slide. If Blanco had coordinated with the feds better, this would not have happened.

    But, what if she had issued them a lap dance, with potty language?

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    Com Con says:

    Have you seen Blanco, jobius? I don’t think she’s lap dance material?

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    slide says:

    jobiuspublius:

    What Jerktoff meant was that NOLA got the weaker side of the hurricane, the west side, not the stronger side, the east.

    ? Relevance? The levees has been breeched nearly a full 24 hours before the Tuesday morning papers.

    jobiuspublius:

    Dam, some one needs to higher me!

    Yes, especially for your spelling skills.

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    jobiuspublius says:

    Com Con Says:

    Have you seen Blanco, jobius? I don’t think she’s lap dance material?

    Good. It fits perfectly into my vengefull plans. MUAHAHAHAA

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    Mac Buckets says:

    Huh? Even our Leader , John Cole was reporting that the “worst case scenario” had happened by Tuesday morning.

    Do you even know what you are arguing anymore? You were arguing that Chertoff “lied” about seeing media reports Tuesday that NO had dodged a bullet, because you say “everybody knew” on Monday that breach had occurred, remember? Your keywords in Cole’s post should be “Tuesday morning.” Look at Newseum again — so many front page stories on Tuesday, but no one was talking about levees except the Times-Picayune.

    Read the WSJ report:

    Yet it wasn’t until Tuesday that most people across the country, apparently including Mr. Chertoff, realized that any levees at all had been breached. Did media outlets get it wrong, as Mr. Chertoff claimed? Some did, some didn’t.

    …The New Orleans office of the National Weather Service issued a flash flood warning at 8:14 a.m. Monday, saying “a levee breach occurred along the industrial canal at Tennessee Street. 3 to 8 feet of water is expected due to the breach.” The media largely ignored it.

    …In its Aug. 29 online edition, the New Orleans Times-Picayune first reported a breach in the 17th Street Canal levee at 2 p.m., citing City Hall officials. No other major news outlets picked up that report. The newspaper’s Web site also reported massive flooding near the Industrial Canal, writing that city officials “fielded at least 100 calls from people in distress in the Lower 9th Ward and eastern New Orleans.” At about 2:30, it reported that the Industrial Canal had been breached, citing a National Weather Service report.

    But in the hours immediately following the storm, some news organizations seemed to play down the damage in New Orleans. Introducing “World News Tonight” on Aug. 29, anchor Charles Gibson said: “In New Orleans, entire neighborhoods are underwater, but the levees held. The nightmare scenario of an entire city underwater did not happen.” A spokeswoman for ABC, a unit of Walt Disney Co., had no comment.

    Live hurricane blogs (one I read was by a Nicaraguan hotel worker) pointed out that most people thought that NO had gotten off easy on Tuesday morning…until the water kept rising.

    Again, I want to know why FEMA didn’t have a direct line with the National Weather Service. But to say that Brown and Chertoff were “lying” about media reports that painted a rosier picture are pure fantasy. First of all, media reports verify their statements. Second, what on earth would be their motive to lie? We know what Broussard’s motives were — partisan blame-gaming.

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    jobiuspublius says:

    slide Says:
    ? Relevance? The levees has been breeched nearly a full 24 hours before the Tuesday morning papers.

    I was mocking people who always “know” what their Dear Leaders mean to say. But, yes, why does FEMA have to depend on the “papers” when they have NWS, etc.?

    Yes, especially for your spelling skills.

    That’s a cheap shot. You psycho.

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    Mac Buckets says:

    It’s all his and Blanco’s fault more or less.

    Nothing is Blanco’s fault. She performed perfectly. She’ll tell you she had no responsibilities except to whine to the feds. Just ask her and her staff, like Joe Slide’s “where’s the buses?” source did.

  112. 112
    jobiuspublius says:

    So much for “having fun”(DeHammer Delay) and “they have it good here”(Babs Bush):

    FEMA Nixes Grassroots Radio Station for Hurricane Evacuees
    Bureaucracy KO’s info source at the Astrodome

    by Sarah Ferguson
    September 8th, 2005 5:04 PM

    Although the effort was trumpeted in the media as an example of grassroots ingenuity in the face of disaster, local officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency have nixed an attempt by Houston activists to set up a low-power radio station at the Astrodome that would have broadcast Hurricane Katrina relief information for evacuees.

    “They wanted unlimited access to the buildings, which we could not give to anyone in the media,” said Gloria Roemer, a spokesperson for Harris County, which has jurisdiction over the Astrodome complex. Currently reporters are allowed in only on 15-minute guided tours.

    Prison?

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    jobiuspublius says:

    Oops, link.

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    slide says:

    mac buckets I don’t really understand how you can’t seem to “get it”. Chertoff was using the “Dodged the Bullet” defense to explain why the federal goverment had done such a terrible job responding to Katrina. I am pointing out that that is completely absurd. Am I asking too much of my government that the person in charge of disaster assistance knows what is going on? Should they have not been focused like a laser on the storm and its possible consequences? Should they not have been in constant touch with the weather service? the Governor’s office? the Mayor’s office. Isn’t that what FEMA supposed to do in these circumstance?

    This was a Cat 4/5 hurricane heading straight for NO. The fed government had done simulations of just such an event. The simulatons predicted a death toll in the thousands. That scenario, to my mind, requires the Chertoffs, Browns and Bush’s of our government PAY FUCKING ATTETNION. 100% ATTENTION. That their JOB. To KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. To suggest he didn’t know what happened Monday morning by Tuesday moring is an indictment of incompetence beyong words. What the fuck else should they have been doing but monitoring this? I dont’ care if one reporter for CNN didn’t know what had happened, the weather service knew, the governor knew, the mayor knew, NBC knew, the local papers Knew, Shep on Fox knew, John Cole knew damn it. but you are giving Chertoff a pass for thing… hey…. we dodged a bullet here.

    Wow, talk about having blinders on.

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    DougJ says:

    Jertkoff should go. He screwed up worse than Drownie. The whole thing is a disgrace.

    I’m sure there’s plenty of people in LA that should go, too. But I’m not a citizen of the state of LA and that’s not my responsibility.

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    Mac Buckets says:

    Am I asking too much of my government that the person in charge of disaster assistance knows what is going on? Should they have not been focused like a laser on the storm and its possible consequences? Should they not have been in constant touch with the weather service?

    But you’re not just asking those questions, because I agree with those questions. Of course, FEMA should’ve gotten info straight from the National Weather Service, but they didn’t. Why not? We’ll find out during the investigation, and then we’ll fic it.

    What I think is absurd is this statement, the first statement of yours to which I responded:

    Don’t ever expect however, any “debunking” of the misstatements (lies) of Chertoff, Brown or Bush regarding the federal government’s response. (think “Dodge the Bullet”,

    You put Chertoff’s “dodged the bullet” in the category of a “lie” to be “debunked,” like Broussard’s lie was debunked. I’ve clearly demonstrated that, while Chertoff was wrong to think that NO had gotten off lucky, he had every reason to think that, if he were going on media reports.

    but you are giving Chertoff a pass for thing… hey…. we dodged a bullet here.

    Again with that active fantasy life. I’m not giving anyone a pass — I’m just waiting for the facts as to why FEMA didn’t know what the National Weather Service was saying before I start handing out the blame.

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    slide says:

    You put Chertoff’s “dodged the bullet” in the category of a “lie” to be “debunked,”

    Yes. That is my opinion. I can’t belive for a MOMENT that Chertoff didn’t know the levee situation prior to that Tuesday morning. I can’t for the life of me imagine that they didn’t ask the people that would be monitoring the levees, “How are the levees holding up ?” before Tuesday morning. It is inconceivable to me that the very flood controls that they were worried about, which, if they failed, could have killed tens of thousands of Americans, would not have been discussed from Monday morning when the levees broke to the famous Tuesday morning papers. If that IS the case then that is far far worse than a lie about newspaper reading habits.

    So, yes, I am going to be very very interested what the hearings bring out on this very point. Who knew what, when. And I’ll bet you anything that Chertoff was advised by SOMEBODY that the levees had been compromised prior to Tuesday morning and what he was saying on MTP was just obfuscation.

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    DougJ says:

    We’ll find out during the investigation

    Bullshit. If you believe that, I’ve got some Iraqi WMD I’d like to sell you.

    The “investigation” will be a whitewash, CYA operation. If they weren’t trying to hide something, they’d convene an outside panel.

    Here’s a fact you can take to the bank: when anyone insists on “investigating” themselves, it means they’ve got something to hide.

  119. 119
    slide says:

    The “investigation” will be a whitewash, CYA operation. If they weren’t trying to hide something, they’d convene an outside panel.

    Doug I agree with you but they may have to have an outside panel since the Dems are not cooperating. They will not sit on a hearing leaving the Republicans all by themselves. That won’t look very good on TV. So, thankfully, it seems as if the Dems are getting some balls and will force the Republicans to agree to an independent 911 type panel.

    Congressional Republicans signaled today that they have abandoned their plan to conduct a joint House-Senate probe of the government’s response to Hurricane Katrina.

    In announcing a joint probe this month, the Republican leadership had said it would be the most efficient way to investigate the administration’s much-criticized initial response to the hurricane. But today, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) conceded that he could not overcome Democratic opposition to a joint investigation.

    The Democratic leadership has refused to appoint members to a joint committee, citing the lack of equal representation of Democrats on the panel, and the lack of power to issue subpoenas that the majority opposed. Democrats also have insisted on an independent inquiry.

    .

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    DougJ says:

    That’s unusual that you see the Democrats in Congress show any guts at all. Maybe they’ll stop cowering in focus group fear and start doing their jobs.

    I wouldn’t count on it though.

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    DougJ says:

    I think the White House is doing their own bullshit “investigation” of themselves. That should be entertaining.

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    ppGaz says:

    This is a man who purposefully manipulated the media in a cold and calculating way, for what ends, who knows

    You are building upon facts not on the record. We don’t know what he knew about the nursing home. It wasn’t in his parish. Perhaps he was ill informed. He looked somewhat crazed during the interview, I took him to be a man who had been without sleep for days, and a little flipped out.

    So without the facts, you lunge ahead and create a fiction around the story …. for your own purposes. Exactly how does that differ from what you are suggesting he did?

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    summr says:

    Interesting article from the NYT: More Horrible Than Truth: News Reports

    DISASTER has a way of bringing out the best and the worst instincts in the news media. It is a grand thing that during the most terrible days of Hurricane Katrina, many reporters found their gag reflex and stopped swallowing pat excuses from public officials. But the media’s willingness to report thinly attributed rumors may also have contributed to a kind of cultural wreckage that will not clean up easily.

    First, anyone with any knowledge of the events in New Orleans knows that terrible things with non-natural causes occurred: there were assaults, shots fired at a rescue helicopter and, given the state of the city’s police department, many other crimes that probably went unreported.

    But many instances in the lurid libretto of widespread murder, carjacking, rape, and assaults that filled the airwaves and newspapers have yet to be established or proved, as far as anyone can determine. And many of the urban legends that sprang up – the systematic rape of children, the slitting of a 7-year-old’s throat – so far seem to be just that. The fact that some of these rumors were repeated by overwhelmed local officials does not completely get the news media off the hook. A survey of news reports in the LexisNexis database shows that on Sept. 1, the news media’s narrative of the hurricane shifted.

    Some journalists did find sources. About 10 p.m. that same evening, Greta Van Susteren of Fox interviewed Dr. Charles Burnell, an emergency room physician who was providing medical care in the Superdome.

    “Well, we had several murders. We had three murders last night. We had a total of six rapes last night. We had the day before I think there were three or four murders. There were half a dozen rapes that night,” he told Ms. Van Susteren. (Dr. Burnell did not return several calls asking for comment.) On the same day, The New York Times referred to two rapes at the Superdome, quoting a woman by name who said she was a witness.

    It is a fact that many died at the convention center and Superdome (7 and 10 respectively, according to the most recent reports from the coroner), but according to a Sept. 15 report in The Chicago Tribune, it was mostly from neglect rather than overt violence. According to the Tribune article, which quoted Capt. Jeffery Winn, the head of the city’s SWAT team, one person at the convention center died from multiple stab wounds and one National Guardsman was shot in the leg.

    Consequences…

    In New Orleans, the misinformation extracted a terrible toll in another way. An international press eager to jump on American pathology played the unfounded reports for all they were worth, with hundreds of news outlets regurgitating tales of lawlessness. “They’re Going to Kill or Rape Us, Get Us Out” read the headline in The Daily Star, a British tabloid. “Tourist Tells of Murder and Rape,” was one headline in The Australian. “Snipers Shoot at Hospitals. Evacuees Raped, Beaten,” The Ottawa Citizen reported.

    “I think that citizens of New Orleans have been stigmatized in a way that is going to make it difficult to be accepted wherever they go,” said Jonathan Simon, who teaches criminal law at the University of California, Berkeley.

    Howard Witt, the Southwest bureau chief of The Chicago Tribune, wrote early on that much of what he had been told, even by public officials, did not check out. And he found himself inundated by rumors.

    “The Web and talk radio fueled these rumors in the days following the storm, and the evacuees themselves contributed to the misinformation because they were so scared,” he said by telephone from Baton Rouge, La. With the grid down and accurate information at a premium, a game of toxic telephone supplanted logic.

    “I talked to a friend and, after the flood, they heard on the radio that a gang of 400 armed black looters were coming over the bridge to Hanrahan, where he lived,” said Ken Bode, a professor of journalism at DePauw University and a former correspondent for NBC. “He and his neighbors were sitting in the street with guns and they decided to load up all they could and caravan out. He said the looters never got there because the National Guard turned them back.”

    There was no band of looters coming their way, but other things that sound too horrible to be true did happen. The widely reported and seemingly fantastical story about a man shooting at a rescue helicopter was confirmed. And the police in Gretna, La., did in fact turn back hundreds of fleeing refugees on the Crescent City Connector.

    I find this more upsetting than the Broussard story.

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    Darrell says:

    At the time, all the gullible moonbats were going on and on about how “riveting” and “powerful” Broussard’s Meet the Press interview was, despite that fact that there had been no interview with the man Broussard was talking about. Now that the story has turned out to be bullshit as Broussard told it, the left is too dishonest to admit how stupid they were, how they swallowed the story without question. It’s the leftist “faith based” approach to news. They seize upon everything that fits their predetermined beliefs without questioning

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    Com Con says:

    At the time, all the gullible moonbats were going on and on about how “riveting” and “powerful” Broussard’s Meet the Press interview was, despite that fact that there had been no interview with the man Broussard was talking about.

    And now it turns out the guy was a liar. Just like Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, and the rest. Anything that feeds into their predesitined beliefs.

    It makes you wonder how many other of the FEMA “horror stories” the Dems have been telling were also fabricated.

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    Com Con says:

    Is there a way this guy could be sued for libel? It’s really outrageous that he said those things. I hope that at least he was fired from his job.

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    ppGaz says:

    Is there a way this guy could be sued for libel? It’s really outrageous that he said those things.

    You guys are so funny. A guy starts a war on the basis of bullshit, and you defend him.

    Another guy tells a story about people drowning in a rest home, and misses the drowning date, and you’d think that he was a mass murderer.

    No wonder people delight in shitting all over you people in here, you deserve it.

  128. 128
    Com Con says:

    It seems to me that Mayor Broussard is no longer fit to run the city of Jeffeson. Maybe suing is too much, after all we’ve got the right to free speech, but who would want someone like that for their mayor? Can’t he be recalled at least?

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    ppGaz says:

    Can’t he be recalled at least?

    By whom? There’s nobody there.

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    ppGaz says:

    By Andy Borowitz
    Newsweek
    Updated: 1:08 p.m. ET Sept. 20, 2005

    Sept. 20, 2005 – Vice President Dick Cheney said today that in an effort to pump up the White House’s anemic approval ratings he would remain above ground for an entire month and would not return to his secure, undisclosed location until November.

    The vice president, who emerged from his underground lair two weeks ago for a series of high-profile photo opportunities, made the surprising announcement at a press briefing in the White House. “I’m untanned, but I’m rested and ready,” said Mr. Cheney, squinting at the daylight as he spoke to the White House press corps.

    According to one of the vice president’s aides, Mr. Cheney’s decision to climb out of his subterranean hideout for the entire month of October would mean his longest visit to the earth’s surface since 2001. “Dick Cheney is willing to do everything he can to help the White House’s numbers, even if it means exposing himself to the ultraviolet rays of the sun,” the aide said.

    But according to Dr. Lars Krenzel, a scientist who studies the habitats and migration patterns of vice presidents for the University of Minnesota, Dick Cheney’s extended visit to the earth’s surface means “a journey into the unknown.” “There is no way of predicting how Dick Cheney will respond to the earth’s atmosphere,” said Dr. Krenzel. “One thing is certain, however: whether he is above ground or below ground, his Halliburton stock will continue to rise.”

    Elsewhere, NASA said it would return to the moon by 2018, and FEMA said it would return its phone calls by 2020.
    © 2005 Newsweek, Inc.

    We haven’t discussed the return to the moon thing … just as in his first term, Bush presides over a completely nutty proposal for a big space initiative. They suggest taking 13 years to “get back to the moon” which is considerably longer than it took to get to the lunar surface the first time around. About twice as long, and considering that a lot of the technology already exists, and we know how to do it, that’s just short of mind boggling. But not as mind boggling as the chutzpah of these guys making the suggestion now, of all times, in the first place.

    Maybe they can put on a show about the new lunar mission during the actual landfall of Hurricane Rita?

  131. 131
    donald says:

    David Kays report says a lot of things…perhaps you’d like to read it. Theyhave found weapons, gas etc…(The key word you’re looking for is Stockpiles, which have not been found). The report also reports in copious detail that perhaps evidence collection could have been better had they not been barred from entering most of the sites they wanted to inspect, and that they found it disconcerting that they would repeatedly pull up to sites, and have to wait for days while trucks left the compounds before they were allowed to enter. Read, it ain’t that hard. You may also want to peruse the NY Times on the matter.

    Vietnam – I not only have the luxury of hindsight, but also my principles which reject doing anything to help the French.

    Osama – Like I said, I could be wrong, but in my gut I don’t think so. I bet you don’t think the CIA is so on the ball typically.

    Russia, French, Germany oil for food corruption – That’s right a guy is getting prosecuted in Texas by the US government. That is not to say, because FOX, the UN, The BBC, The Guardian, and Al Jezeera for godsakes have reported no such thing at any time. Learn the difference between government complicity/corruption and American jurisprudence.

    Saddam – When it became necessary, Saddam was preaching that he was a direct descendent of Mohammed and was a very pious Sunni. You knew that I’m betting, but it doesn’t fit his template. In addition, my understanding of islam is that one should feel free to form any alliance and do anything to kill infidels. Just to make you feel better stupid man, I am aware that the US had a huge hand in making him powerful. I am aware and despise the geo-politics the US has been engaged in in the last several decades. I do feel unlike many of you, that it was more a matter of wrongheaded/ham fisted efforts at economic trade and all, and it never should have happened.

    Read more, open you fucking eyes.

  132. 132
    donald says:

    Whoops, on the corruption thing, I meant to say that none of those news organizations has reported any US govermental corruption in the Oil For Food Scandal.

    I realize I’m showing palpable anger here, but this say anything bullshit is disgusting and I will never forget it. I suffered through 8 years of a rapist/Marxist-Leninist in the white house. I suffered through 8 years, going on 14 now of some shithead doing anything to drive wedges between groups of people…and that is how you look at people right? Groups, not individuals. I couldn’t even vote for Zell again after ya’ll crap.

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    ppGaz says:

    Just to get this on the record here before the thread disappears into total obscurity ….

    I am pretty sure now, having matched up the information being relayed through the press by the attorney for the owners of the rest home with the story originally told by Broussard on MTP … that what happened here is essentially a 2nd hand or 3rd hand telling of a story with a simple misunderstanding about the timeline …. by people who were in a state I’d describe as somewhere between hysterical, and exhausted.

    The main factual difference between Broussard’s account and the official one is that according to officials, the elderly persons in the rest home probably drowned on the Tuesday after the storm, and were FOUND on Friday. Whereas, Broussard’s account had them DROWNED on Friday. But the other story points were roughly congruent with the official facts and the story being told by the attorney for the rest home owners, namely, that a frantic series of phone calls was made over several days in an effort to effect an evacuation of the residents, without success.

    When the last word on this story is heard, I think it will be apparent that there was no deliberate misstelling of the story. Further, I assert that the really ugly story here is the manner in which the rightwing scum in this blog have treated this story from the beginning, without having, or bothering to explore, all the facts related to it. Their insistence that some sort of conspiratorial effort was made to “cook up” a false story is bizarre and troubling. Their attitude towards the story, which is a sort of hand-rubbing glee over finding discontinuities in the story line — without bothering to resolve them — is grotesque. Several dozen people died here, and you have people like Stormy laughing over this event because she is able, in the confusion over the details, to spin it into some sort of macabre “victory” for supporters of George Bush.

    That’s the truth about this story. In time, a good deal more information is going to come out, because there is going to be a criminal prosecution of the rest home owners.

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    donald says:

    Nope, A cheap political hack played politics with a natural disaster. Period.

  135. 135
    ppGaz says:

    A cheap political hack played politics

    Prove it.

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