Via Instapundit, audio recordings of the 911 calls on September 11th.
Awful.
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Via Instapundit, audio recordings of the 911 calls on September 11th.
Awful.
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Mike S
Horrific.
ET
I just don’t think I can listen to them.
Kimmitt
That’s . . . ghoulish. Thanks, but no.
Mike S
They were disturbing but worth listening to because it shows just how brave and heroic the firemen were.
Tim F
Strikes me as voyeuristic.
Defense Guy
I almost always force myself to see or listen to these horrible things, at the very least so that when someone inevitably tries to claim it is a lie, I will be able to tell them it isn’t.
James Emerson
No need to revisit the audios or visuals The sounds and images are indelibly etched in the collective mind. Additional images are void of transcendance. A few writers and philosophers expounded upon the meaning of the still smoldering rubble and decaying flesh…in many cases only worsen the confusion. Politicians discovered that it could be used to absolve themselves of blame and win elections. Bush conflated it with Saddam Hussein only to accomplished little beyond a larger body pile and the enraged mothers of dead soldiers.
Only one song have I heard captures that horrific day with anger and poise, and frustration and beauty, and possibly hope for a brighter future.
Some things are Self Evident immediately to a few…taking time and a poet to explain it to the rest of us.
BinkyBoy
Let me guess, Insta-prick also said we should review these and remember why we’re fighting the war against brown people?
Defense Guy
BinkyBoy
You are a racist. The sad thing is you don’t even realize it.
Geek, Esq.
Not gonna listen. Just can’t.
Reynolds is gone for a while. His guest bloggers are a great improvement.
Another Jeff
Some things should transcend politics and if you can’t keep your bullshit to yourself, you should just shut-up and go spew your crap on another post. Something like this would certainly fall into that category.
It’s a shame Binky’s too much of a tool to realize that.
BinkyBoy
Oh really, so maybe the tragedy of 9/11 shouldn’t be used for political purposes?
How long would it take me to fill 20 pages with quotes from Republicans about how we should honor the 9/11 victims right alongside with their justification for a war that has killed countless non-WASPs? How long before I find a web page with a picture of the burning towers running a sound loop of screaming people justifying the war and urging the death of even more “terrorists”?
Screw you war happy republicans. You continue to use sound bites, pictures of falling burning people and paranoia to justify something that was illegal and wrong from the start. You don’t want to mourn the victims, you want to use them as a backdrop to your revenge and your superiority complexes.
BinkyBoy
oh, and DG, is it racist to point out that people like the Minutemen are a shield for racist activities? Is it racist to point out that people like Hannity, Savage and Rush routinely want to wipe out the Muslims entirely and that they are the biggest spokesmen for the right and far-right?
I get it, whenever someone points out that a war you supported is reminiscent of the Crusade and both were started as a racial reaction to a radically different culture, they are the ones that are really racist!
Steve
You folks who are like “some things should be above politics” know that the Administration is planning to mark 9/11 this year with a pro-war rally in Washington, right?
BinkyBoy
IOKYAR, Steve.
bkny
back on topic: listening to segments of a couple of the tapes, esp just after the first attack and again when the first tower fell, you will hear from the dispatchers not only an incredible display of calm under the circumstances, but mostly a determined professionalism in the midst of garbled transmissions, unanswered calls and uncertainty about what the hell was going on.
Another Jeff
Yeah, Steve, I do know that and I think it’s a bad idea. Kinda sux when your little “oh yeah, what about _____” argument falls flat, doesn’t it?
And Binky, you’re beyond hope. The people burning in those buildings weren’t Democrats or Republicans on 9-11.
Really, you can be as much of a dick as you want, but go do it in another post.
BinkyBoy
Oh, I’m sorry, is this your thread?
And where did I claim the dying people were Democrats or Republicans? I’m saying that the Republicans have jumped on the 9/11 tragedy and claimed 100% of the outrage for their own purposes, most of which have nothing to do with 9/11.
Whats the point in re-running the 911 calls? Whats the point in the feeling of hopelessness, fear and ultimately the desire for revenge? Maybe it helps you to sleep at night, knowing that some of those horrible brown people caused 9/11 and its ok if they are dying in droves for your mistake laden war.
Another Jeff
Binky, I live in Philly, you live in Idaho. Spare me your race-baiting.
BinkyBoy
Oh, you poor thing. You must be so much more diverse than I, right?
And I’m the dick?
Another Jeff
Yeah, my daily life pretty much is more diverse. I’m glad you realize that.
This is over. Go back to your Aryan Nation meeting.
Defense Guy
Actually BinkyBoy, I owe you an apology. It was wrong for me to call you a racist, when simple indication that what you were saying was racist would have done. You may be a fine fellow.
BinkyBoy
Hey AJ, I’ll make sure I tell my Indian neighbor and my Asian manager all about my new meeting schedule. It will also be necessary for me to inform the over 70% Hispanic town I live in, as I think its their right to know that because I live in Idaho, I have to hate them all.
Steve
I don’t think it fell flat at all, if even those who support the administration agree that it’s a terrible thing.
Let’s remember, Binky was only “politicizing” 9/11 in the sense that he complained about certain right-wingers who themselves love to politicize it. You may not be among them, but you admit that the administration is guilty as charged, which is the point.
Otto Man
Yeah, I can’t listen to these tapes either. Living through it the first time around was more than enough.
I’m pretty sure that just listening to the tapes would bring back the whole experience — including the stench that hung in the air for the next few months here. No thanks.
jg
Whats that mean?
BinkyBoy
Its OK if Your A Republican
Defense Guy
Yes, it is simply shocking that any presidential administration would seek to rally the support of the people, in a time of war, over a common shared pain that was for most the actual start of hostilities. They really have no shame.
capelza
Yeah…
Mike S
It did. Tears and all. There was an especially hard one where a woman was calling in from a fire truck she had climbed into. She was a civ in absolute terror. The dispatcher was trying to get her help and calm her down and deserves a medal for those efforts alone.
As far as the partisan bickering going on here, give it a fucking rest. Take your dumbassed D/R hats off and remember the day for what it was. This happened to America, not the Republicans or the Democrats. There’s enough shit for us to argue about but for one friggin minute can’t you just look at this as a time to show appreciation for the amazing men that showed such amazing courage and sacrifice that day?
Steve
I work two blocks from the World Trade Center. Don’t fucking lecture me about our shared experience and how I don’t understand the lessons of 9/11.
Everyone I know here, both Republican and Democrat, are all disgusted that the administration would hold a pro-war rally on 9/11, of all days. Maybe that’s our common ground.
It outrages me that some people use this tragedy to rally public support for their political goals. And your contention is that by expressing outrage over the politicization of 9/11, I am just as bad? Get a clue.
Mike S
Then find a G-damned post that involves using 9/11 for political gain. Neither this one nor instahacks original did.
jg
There’s a short list of countrys that stage patriotism rallys. Never thought I’d be living in one. I’d list them but then people would want to try me for sedition.
Defense Guy
You people responding to my comment must be a real hoot to be around on the 4th.
Otto Man
You got the last part right. They really do have no shame.
This country was incredibly united in the desire to strike back against the people who actually attacked us. But Bush gave that a half-hearted effort, leaving bin Laden at large and the Taliban time to regroup while he diverted our attention and manipulated the country’s anger to settle scores with the bad man who tried to kill his daddy.
The country was incredibly willing to sacrifice. Here in New York we donated more material, gave more blood, and offered more money than relief folks knew what to do with. We looked to the president for leadership, seeking a way to get involved, and what did he say? Go shopping. Great. Oh, and New York? The $20 million we promised you for rebuilding? Not gonna happen.
The country was incredibly united after 9/11, willing to put aside the wounds of the 2000 election and work together. Bush had a chance to do whatever he wanted, and what did he pick? Pushing through his domestic agenda and sticking it the Democrats. Go back and look over the 2002 midterm elections — hell, just look at what they did to Max Cleland — and ask yourself if that looks like a sincere effort to rally the people. Bush and his boys used fear and anger to turn the American people against each other, and not towards a common cause.
So, yes, they really do have no shame. And the pathetic state-sponsored rally in support of the Iraq War — and on the fourth anniversary of 9/11 — is just another sad step.
All Hail Dear Leader and the Glorious Republican Revolution.
Mike S
How is the celebration of the birth of our country comparable to a hootanany celebrating 9/11?
jg
I knew he’d bust out a national holiday as an equivalent to this charade. This is not being done in the name of unity. Its being done to further the divide. People will now be painted as for or agsinst this parade to show support for the glorious leader.
Defense Guy
How is the celebration of the birth of our country comparable to a hootanany celebrating 9/11?
Do you suppose that the 4th is what it is because it was not crafted in blood? Is it only the high ideals and not the violent, commited acts of aggression that were used to obtain them that we are reverant of? This is the oddest sort of rose colored view of the history of free man. The high ideals mean shit if you are not willing to go all the way to ensure them.
On 9/11, we were thrown into a war that we are still in. It is only those that are unwilling to accept that this is so, that are unwilling to concede that this day has important meaning to us and should be remembered.
I can tell you that we are even as of now not yet to the point where every life lost on that day has been given 1 individual day of mourning. You can stuff your outrage.
Defense Guy
One other thing. It will delight me to no end if you can convince your leadership that this patriotic crap for the troops is something they want no part of.
Jimmy Jazz
And as for the Holy Cult of the 9/11 Martyrs, I think it’s bizarre fetishization and diminishes other sacrifices and tragedies. It was a horrible and shocking event, but these endless Passion Plays put on by those who want to use it for their own agenda are creepy and repulsive. As already noted, those who bloviate with outrage and want to keep it “above politics” are the ones who are using it politically and want to keep the rage white hot, blocking rationalism and perspective.
I join those in reflection and quiet mourning for those who died, but Rummy can stick his Nuremberg rally up his ass.
Otto Man
Yeah, the one in Afghanistan.
You’re still missing the point. No one here is saying “don’t remember 9/11,” or “don’t mourn 9/11,” or “don’t avenge 9/11.” What we’re upset about is the fact that the Bush administration took all the valid rage and fear from 9/11 and used it for their own selfish ends.
There is NO connection between 9/11 and the war in Iraq. None. None of the hijackers were Iraqi, none of the planners were Iraqi, and all the WMDs that were supposedly in Iraq and just begging to be used against us — none of them existed.
And please, unless you were actually in New York on 9/11, please don’t tell me that I don’t get it. It’s always some member of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders lecturing me on “not getting” the meaning of 9/11 from his home in Des Moines — far away from the past attacks and far away from the ones that are going to come about as a result of C-Plus Augustus’s misadventures in the Middle East. I’m sure the attacks were scary between commercial breaks on CNN, but they were a little more real in person.
You want to remember 9/11? Absolutely. But remember it for what it was, not for some children’s-level fantasy where “they hate us for our freedom” and Saddam is a real threat.
You want to honor the people who died on 9/11? Avenge them. The guy who did it is still out there. I wish we’d focus on him for a change.
Mike S
Every time I think the market on straw has reached it’s limit, I get another comment telling me to buy. What will we tell the scarecrow when there is no straw left.
And the fact that you have to register for the hootenanny makes it that much more suspect. But I guess since the founding fathers made people sign a loyalty oath in order to meet with them it’s alright.
Stormy70
I would think the family members of the fallen at the Pentagon will be happy to show up to an event honoring their loved ones ‘ service. Until I here them speak out against it, I will support the concert for the troops. Our military was attacked on 9/11 as well, and a rally showing them America supports them sounds fine to me.
lily
Christalmightly, can’t people see how weird it is that the Bush admin. is exploiting 911 to shore up support for the war while at the very same time testing the waters for a cut-and-run next year? He and his administration don’t have a clue what to do about Iraq and they can only think about it in terms of spin and oinion polls, not policy.
MisterPundit
Bush and his boys used fear and anger to turn the American people against each other, and not towards a common cause.
What a load of rubbish. Long before Republicans decided to fight back, Bush was being portrayed as Hitler, a murderous cyclops out to “wage war for oil”. Hate-filled leftwingers unleashed tirade after tirade. Movies were made, songs were composed, books were written, all in effort to make the American people hate Bush in time for the elections. It almost worked. I look at the way Cindy Sheehan is being exploited by leftwing hate mongers and it sickens me. They attached themselves to her like a foot fungus.
Jimmy Jazz
Poor, poor George. Will those filthy libbies never stop hammering Him to the cross as he tries to lead us to the fruits of Canaan? God bless us, every one!
MisterPundit
Poor, poor George. Will those filthy libbies never stop hammering Him to the cross as he tries to lead us to the fruits of Canaan? God bless us, every one!
Yawn.
Steve
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
MisterPundit
Two letters (repeated) and an exclamation point! Impressive.