While I general bemoan the overwhelming number of crime statutes on the books, here is a new one I can support:
The NCHRA applauds and supports Rep. John Salazar (D-Colo.) and his “The Stolen Valor Act of 2005,” the initiative that will help preserve the honor of men and women who have fought for the United States of America.
The Act, if made into law, will allow prosecutors to seek fines and imprisonment for those who claim in print or in speech to have received military awards and honors they have not actually received.
“Awards usually come at the expense of personal sacrifice,” said David Rice (42), President of the Coalition. “When a person seeks honor and recognition for acts of valor she or he has not performed, that person insults and diminishes the sacrifices real heroes have made, and disparages the nation’s defenders. Every act of stolen valor belittles the country’s true heroes.”
It is already against the law in the United States for people to wear specific military medals (such as the Purple Heart) they have not been awarded and have not earned. The issue came into widespread public notice two weeks ago when the official web site for the movie “Wedding Crashers” offered viewers the option of printing out a paper “Purple Heart.” Activists for veterans did not find the attempt at humor at all amusing.
It might be overkill, but I favor it.
KC
I couldn’t find the Stolen Valor Act on Thomas so I’m not sure how overkill it is. However, I definitely support the idea.
neil
Politics in a nutshell….
Democrats give you a bill to punish people for claiming military awards and honors they have not actually received.
Republicans give you a fundraising operation which gives people awards and honors they have not actually earned… ref ref
ref
.. and have fun mocking a veteran for earning a military honor because they don’t like his politics.
over it
I am for it also. My brother is in active service and my father is retired Navy.
I was at an auction this weekend and was saddened to see a box lot of older military ‘stuff’ on the block. It included 2 Purple Hearts and many other medals that I did not recognize. The bidding went quite high….appparently because the camouflage uniforms in it were Vietnam Tiger Stripe(I guess this is rare).
It was sad though. I think that awards like that should either stay within the family….or be retired back to the military. One should not be able to purchase them.
So, yeah, I agree.
—-Did you know that Patrick Denahey(sp) lied about recieving the Purple Heart? It is more common than you would think—–
Sojourner
Shouldn’t there also be at least social disapproval of those who belittle recipients?
Mr Furious
Nice in theory, but this cannot possibly be Constitutional.
Jim
Hypocrisy watch: while Mr. Cole extolls the virtue of a bill that would make it illegal to wear medals that one has not been officially awarded, he advertises two sites that will sell “virtually every military medal available” to anyone with a credit card.
Personally, I think this law is unnecessary, reactionary crap.
Steve
I don’t see why it’s so obviously unconstitutional. You don’t have a First Amendment right to claim to be a government official if you’re not. Why do you have a First Amendment right to pretend you have a government citation if you don’t?
John Cole
Umm. What sites am I advertising that sell medals?
kenB
What sites am I advertising that sell medals?
The Google Ads spot sometimes gives a set of military medals sites — refresh a few times and you’ll probably see it.
Sojourner
Does John even have control over the ads shown?
ppGaz
It’s feelgood law. Posturing. Strikes me as very likely to be challenged in court.
That said, I don’t see how it harms anything, as it stands. However, the idea that “belittling” becomes a crime is rather an open door to all manner of insanity. Shall we make it a crime to “belittle” other things?
I also don’t agree that a false claim of this kind belittles true heroes. If nothing else, such a silly construct must suppose that the stature of heroes is so fragile that some drunk in a bar, lying about a medal to impress a woman, can somehow diminish that stature. Actual heroism is not something that can be diminished by the foolish behavior of others.
Will the Belittling Police conduct raids on mental health wards, where some unforutnate soul might not only claim, but believe, that he has a medal, and brags of it regularly? Will we have “not guilty of belittling by reason of insanity” defenses?
Please, lawmakers, spare us your sanctimonious posturing, and pay attention to things that matter.
Bernard Yomtov
Can we include a provision making it illegal to put purple hearts on band-aids for the purpose of mocking recipients whose politics one disagrees with?
Joel
I sympathize with the spirit of this, but it seems a bit much. I guess I lean towards social opprobrium as being the best response towards those who fraudulently claim to have received medals. I guess I’m one of those who thinks the best response to “bad speech” is more speech, not criminalizing certain kinds of it (as repugnant as it may be). Additionally, is there a wave of this sort of activity lately? Is a new law really necessary?
linda
jeez, all this over a hollywood ad campaign for a movie? but it was such a hoot when test marketed at the gop convention last year — just ask pat peale, that fine specimen of gop womanhood:
http://www.poetryinlife.com/blog/2004/08/pat-peale-texas-delegate-some-people.html
demimondian
I can’t imagine that this law would stand a First Amendment challenge. It always nauseates me when I see someone claim a medal they don’t have or deserve, but I doubt that the government could meet the high bar necessary to limit false speech in this case, particularly given the political speech aspect of medal mockery.
Seriously, John — if someone claims that Rumsfeld and Cheney deserve the “Broad Yellow Stripe of (In)Valor” for their service in Vietnam, it’s political speech. (Even if it’s stupid to make any joke which could be taken to belittle the Medal Of Honor…) There’s no way that a law like this would stand a Court challenge.
DougJ
It’s good to see the government finally doing something to protect symbols. This is progress, though it’s really time to get moving on the flag burning amendment.
ppGaz
It seems pretty likely that the bill is intended to expose the Republican shenanigans for what they were … real, honest-to-God belittling of medals, by Republicans. Belittling by all the keyboard warriors who liked to guffaw over whether one person’s wounds were as serious as somebody else’s ….. talk about degrading heroism, that’s about as bad as it gets. Salazar exposes what we already knew … that the flag of the GOP flies at the top of their flagpole, while the American flag flies somewhat lower on their pole.
But the beneficial irony and exposure of their hypocrisy does not justify the law as proposed.
I have to give Salazar his props, though. This is lawmaker posturing at its best, and for a good purpose. Now that we’ve all had a good laugh at the assholeness of the GOP, time to put this bill away in a drawer.
Maureen Hay
ppGaz –
This first became an issue with the large number of scam artists who preyed on the families of missing POWs. Many of them claimed military medals and experience they did not have. A law like this would give prosecuters extra tools to use in going after con artists who give themselves a fake military history. I’d support it on those grounds alone.
The bigger problem would be what to do with mentally ill people who imagine themselves as former soldiers. Apparently, many homeless and mentally ill “vets” turn out to have no military background, or one that is very different from their claims. I know Vietnam vets who are angry at the “crazy Vietnam vet” stereotype, which they feel is driven more by mentally ill people claiming to have been in Vietnam than by the experiences of actual veterans. But if I were writing the law, I would put in some sort of exemption for people under treatment for mental disorders.
ppGaz
See, Doug, this is why a lot of people think you are a troll who is just faking this nonsense and putting us on. Your remark is just a little too fatuous, a little too gratuitously stupid.
I mean, if you really are that stupid, fine. Not your fault. But if you are trying to fake it, you need to be a little less obvious about it.
ppGaz
Then we need better law, or better enforcement, against fraud. Not feelgood measures aimed too widely at something that really can’t be outlawed effectively.
Fraud is already a crime, isn’t it? And this law works, because “fraud” here means actual injury, not “hurt feelings.”
DougJ
Ppgaz, this really is quite similar to the flag burning issue. There are clearly going to be free speech issues that many liberals — and maybe even some conservatives — will have about such a law. At the end of the day, though, symbols matter to people and we need some sort of protection for these symbols. It may well be that there is no way to do this within the framework of the current constitution, in which case we certainly need an amendment.
demimondian
DougJ, trolling is more effective for those fish which school. Well-schooled fish congregate, and can therefore be drawn in more efficiently than those which are more dispersed.
Blue Neponset
If the Swift Boat Vets for “Truth” are to be believed, it isn’t too difficult for a person to swindle the Navy into awarding him three purple hearts and a bronze star. Since these medals are apparantly easy to obtain I don’t see why we need a law to regulates who gets to wear one.
On a related note:
In the future, maybe the Dept. of Defense should put a “D” for Democrat or an “R” for Republican on each medal so it is easy to determine which medals were earned and which ones were obtained under false circumstances.
ppGaz
Absolutely dead wrong. Symbols need no protection, and will get no protection under your “plan.” What you want to protect are feelings, not symbols. The law is not an instrument for protecting your feelings.
If we are going to have laws to protect feelings, then I demand a law that requires you to shut the fuck up, because you insult my sensibilities every day. I have the same rights as you to protection of my feelings. I want you silenced.
Get it? You are wrong. You either have free speech, or you don’t. You can’t have a little bit of free speech that is constrained by whose feelings might be hurt. Or whose power might be threatened.
DougJ
“You can’t have a little bit of free speech that is constrained by whose feelings might be hurt.”
With rights, come responsibilities. I’m all for the responsible exercise of free speech, but once it becomes irresonsible, once it involves giving aid to the enemy and defiling the values of our country, then it needs to be restricted. After all, you can’t yell “fire” in a crowded movie house, so why should you be able to do the equivalent of this in other arenas.
ppGaz
I gotta say, if you are faking this, it’s genius. Even I with my black sense of humor and imagination could fake a stupid jerk as well as you are doing. But again, if that’s really you, fine, you are what you are.
Now …. shut up. I want you silenced. Your speech is irresponsible, and you are defiling the values of our country. I want you jailed. I want you executed.
“Fire in a crowded theater” is not the equivalent of speaking out against the government, Doug. I’m afraid you are about 300 years too late trying to make that argument. That ship has sailed. Not the same thing, no matter how diligently you keep saying it is.
You have no concept of what America is all about. I want executed, and then deported. Once feelgood law becomes standard, I’ll have my way. You are toast.
DougJ
Ppgaz, the problem with your critique of the protection of symbols is that you’re a liberal relativist. You think that what you think is important and what the values of our society hold to be important have equal weight. You take reasonable well-defined positions — that one cannot give aid and comfort to the enemy at a time of war and that sacred symbols matter — and turn them into liberal mush by somehow equating them with personal feelings. It’s so typical of the liberal outlook, to think that how someone feels is as important as protecting the flag and supporting the country at a time of war.
Can’t you see the clear line between what you feel and what millions of soldiers have given their lives for? Symbols matter, but your personal feelings don’t. Values matter, but liberal psychobabble doesn’t. You can’t use relativism to equate everything.
ppGaz
You’re the best at this I’ve ever seen, man. And I’ve seen a lot, believe me.
Symbols matter, but feelings don’t?
Doug, what is a symbol, besides feelings?
Symbol = Feeling
It’s all about feelings, Doug. And mine are frazzled. I want you jailed, executed, and deported. My feelings have spoken. You are an enemy of the state. Kiss your ass goodbye.
DougJ
“Doug, what is a symbol, besides feelings?”
To quote the great Louis Armstrong “If you gotta ask, you ain’t never gonna know.”
ppGaz
Yeah? So humor me. What is a symbol, besides feelings?
Sojourner
This is cheaper than benefits for the vets.
Sojourner
Let’s face it. The Bush administration and its friends have mocked these awards through their attacks on medal-wearing vets.
Bush topped this by giving the Medal of Freedom to the likes of Tenet and Bremer as a way of jabbing his opponents.
These folks have brought shame on these awards because, frankly, they don’t value what the awards stand for.
mac Buckets
Now if they could only pass a law to stop guys pretending to be Pittsburgh Steelers quarterbacks to pick up chicks! It belittles Ben Roethlisberger, which is certianly a federal offense on this blog.
mac Buckets
Is John (I Forgot My Medals, So I Had To Throw His) Kerry one of Bush’s friends now?
ppGaz
Sure. He and “I flew fighter jets in Alabama, and I enjoyed it” Bush are great pals.
They get together regularly with “I had other things to do during the Vietnam war” Cheney and swap old war stories.
Gary Farber
Incidentally, John Salazar, who is a couple of districts over from me, is the brother of Senator Ken Salazar, and they’re the only two brothers in Congress. John barely squeaked in to his victory, and if anyone likes him, a campaign contribution and other support would be helpful towards his re-election.
Sojourner
He earned them, he has the right to use them to make an anti-war statement.
ppGaz
Oh no, not if it hurts somebody’s feelings.
Speech has it’s limits. That’s why you can’t shout “This movie sucks” in a crowded theater.
Don Surber
Hmm. Now you must earn a medal in order to speak on a public matter. Why am I always the last to know when a military junta occurs?
Seriously, an admiral had to resign an important post over a medal mixup. These are not mere smbols but rather a testament to the sacrifices made by the military. Dem, Rep, Ind, I don’t care — lay off politicizing this
ppGaz
No, I think he said that it is fitting to have earned them, if one is going to throw them. And vice versa. Not to “speak on a public matter.”
As for admirals resigning … this is why it is wise not to politicize these things. We are going to have a hard time passing laws which protect admirals from getting upset enough to resign.
But more to the point … it’s the GOP that politicized the medal issue. Of course, they’ll lie, and say, oh no, we only did it because Kerry bragged about his medals.
So, let’s see … if a medal wearer tells about his medal, then it’s okay to make fun of his medal if you are the GOP. But if someone makes fun of a GOP medal, that’s an insult to their sacrifice.
got it.
DougJ
When Kerry went on and on about his war record, shamelessly politicizing it and trying to equate it with some kind of “patriotism”, he opened himself up to fair questions about how his medals were earned and indeed, whether they were EARNED at all. He opened himself up to the wearing of the Purple Heart band-aids at the Republican convention. That was a fair form of political criticism since Kerry had moved the debate into the political sphere himself. Printing out paper Purple Hearts or having people use medals to pick up women in movies is entirely different matter — and one which is not acceptable to those who serve and honor the country.
ppGaz
You’ve become a parody of yourself now, Doug.
Really, STFU. You are ridiculous. Get out of my country.
neil
Why do you guys pick on Doug? He’s one of the most consistently entertaining commenters on any blog I read.
Steve
I do not understand a single argument made against this proposed law, other than the standard line that Congress should be attending to something more important (an odd argument to see Democrats making under a Republican Congress, indeed).
ppGaz
If you are going to play Whack-A-Mole, you need a mole.
Doug has selflessly volunteered to be our mole.
Anderson
Wait … DougJ has been *serious* all this time?
I thought he was a master of irony. How disappointing.
SeesThroughIt
I agree–that’s why it’s fun to egg him on sometimes. I mean, it’s not like you’re going to get anything even faintly resembling an informed idea out of him, so may as well have some fun, right? The guy is hilarious.
Dave Ruddell
ppgaz wrote:
Executed and deported? Wow, that’s cold. I mean, when you get to the point that you’re supporting the deportation of corpses, you’ve crossed a line my friend.
Otto Man
Seriously, you’ve got to stop. If I keep spitting out my coffee, my office will make me buy a new computer.
I guess Kerry should’ve followed the brave example of Bush, who would never ever politicize anything to do with war. Sure, he might play dress-up and prance around an aircraft carrier with a big “Mission Accomplished” banner, but that’s nothing compared with Kerry’s gall. How dare he — serving and volunteering to go to the front, receiving several medals for valor, and then having the nerve to talk about it. For shame.
ppGaz
Whatever it takes to spur him on to new heights of malapropism!
Sojourner
Makes perfect sense to me. Up is down, right is left.
Jess
John,
Just curious–why is this bit of legislation worth supporting, but the attempt to clean up video games a waste of time and money? I don’t have strong feelings about either one of them, but it does appear that the latter is more likely to actually improve society, thereby giving more bang for the buck (no pun intended). The former protects the sensibilities of grown men and women, while the latter attempts to improve what we’re dumping into the developing minds of our children. Shouldn’t the latter have priority?
ppGaz
You have been assimilated. Another victory in the Global War on Libruls!
Sojourner
Do I get a medal?
mac Buckets
Nope. Obviously, Kerry didn’t earn those medals — they weren’t even HIS!
…but I was referring more to how there is no one in America who has “attacked medal-wearing vets” more than John Kerry.
Sojourner
Huh?
I see. Describing the experiences of Viet Nam vets in an attempt to help America wake up to what was going on in order to put an end to needless deaths in Viet Nam constitutes an attack on “medal-wearing vets.”
Interesting. Oh, I forgot. Black is white. Support the troops by sending them off to an unwinnable war where they can get shot. I got it.
DougJ
Fighting wars is patriotic. Consorting with Jane Fonda is not. I don’t care about what heroic acts John F. Kerry claims to have performed in Camobia — whooops I mean Vietnam. He is no hero. He is no patriot. Dick Cheney may have dodged the war in a way that you libruls don’t like but he knows what it takes to keep America number one and he is one helluva a patriot.
ppGaz
Doug, go away. You’re an ass.
Doug Sterner
If you think this is fluff–it’s not. You can see more on this bill, including the underlying policy analysis paper that spurred this legislation. My wife (A Republican) wrote the policy analysis. Congressman John Salazar (a Democrat), met with her and agreed to introduce it. Presently there are 48 co-sponsors (45 Dems/3Reps), but there will be many more. The reason it is top-heavy on the Dem side is because these are Congressman Salazar’s friends and they came in quickly. We are not working the other side of the aisle and I’m sure you will see this broadly supported on both sides. For more info on this, including the endorsements, news stories (print and video), visit http://www.homeofheroes.com/herobill