If the reports are true, this guy is a little off base:
Jeri Ryan said her then-husband took her on three “surprise trips” in the spring of 1998 to New Orleans, New York and Paris, during which he took her to sex clubs. She said she refused to go in the first and went into the second at his insistence.
“It was a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling,” she said in the court document, adding that her husband “wanted me to have sex with him there, with another couple watching. I refused.”
Of course, it is mildly amusing to see certain people commenting about this. Apparently it is not Senatorial to have sex with your wife in public, but it is Presidential to stick cigars in interns, and the only time you shold be on your hands and knees in Paris is when you are getting it politically from Chirac and the Eurotrash.
HH
And if he had a “D” by his name, it would be “Private life! Right wing conspiracy!”
Rick
Hot, kinky Republican sex. Now we’ve seen everything.
Cordially…
JohnO
See, Republicans get really hot chicks. Democrats get Hillary and Monica. Ewwwww.
The Lonewacko Blog
From the trial transcript:
“I have an implant for you!”
“No, Locutus, no!”
“Yes, my borgette, you will be assimilated!”
[… some time later … ]
“Who is the leader of the collective! Say it! Say it!”
Oliver
There are some who believe in turning the other cheek, not going down to your opponent’s level.
Then there are those (like me) who want to win. I’ve made that pretty clear. After impeachment, after Florida, after Iraq? No sir, if you guys screw up I’m going to give as good as we got.
shark
And there Oliver sums up todays Democrat party. No values, just win at all costs.
And you wonder why your patriotism is questioned…
shark
But the real point is the guy is obviously deranged. He has an all-time hottie and THAT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR HIM!?!?!?
Man, this fool will never be getting such amazing trim again ever in his life. I almost feel sorry for the poor bastard…
Rick
Oliver,
Is that as good as Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas got?
Cordially…
HH
Ah yes, the ever popular “They started it!” argument…
Republicans for the most part want this man out of the race, and you won’t find a single one who has ever held him up as the great hope of the party. This week Democrats are celebrating Bill Clinton as their #1 hero (and have for a while).
Ricky
Don’t worry, folks, Oliver is never at a loss to explain his duplicity.
Rick
‘Ah yes, the ever popular “They started it!” argument…’
The GOP is more sinned against than sinning. Could be because of a head start.
Cordially…
Oliver
Is that as good as Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas got?
Considering one is a whacko and the other a weirdo (and Thomas still made it onto the court, to our collective detriment)?
No values, just win at all costs.
Perhaps you have been asleep for the last 10 years, or just ignorant?
Oliver is never at a loss to explain his duplicity.
A few years ago, I would have said this was off limits (and I thought the “charges” against Ahnuld were bogus) but after impeachment – it’s all fair game. No, its not the way it should be – but that’s how it is. You guys made the game, we’re just playing it now.
capt joe
“whacko and the other a weirdo”
So anyone who isn’t part of Willis political parade is a weirdo. What next Willis, put them against a wall. Why not, it worked for Stalin. ;)
“No values, just win at all costs.
Perhaps you have been asleep for the last 10 years, or just ignorant?”
Come on, you just admitted that there were no more rules. Don’t start pretending you have morals or values for that matter.
He was impreached for lying. Not sticking a cigar or other protuberances into a summer student in his place of business. He was caught and lied about it under oath. It got nixon kicked out.
Ooh, the gloves are off.
Too bad their weren’t off while Clinton was fighting AQ. Willis’s real enemy is BusHilter and not OBL.
Kimmitt
“Republicans for the most part want this man out of the race,”
Except for, you know, the Illinois primary voters, who have made their opinion known.
Ricky
Come on, Joe….it’s not weird to play hide the cigar in the oval office w/a 21 year old intern……it’s weird for a black man to think outside the Democratic plantation.
RoguePlanet
Of course, it is mildly amusing to see certain people commenting about this. Apparently it is not Senatorial to have sex with your wife in public, but it is Presidential to stick cigars in interns
Who’s making that claim? I didn’t see it in either of the links you provided.
ha
The issue is hipocracy. Clinton never ran on a “family values” platform. Ryan, on the other hand, used “values based” arguments to win the GOP primary. This is the same story with William Bennetts gambling problem. Bennett made a huge stink about values, but was, at the same time, gambling away thousands of dollars.
capt joe
Oliver, in case you wondered,
FLASH!!! REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE HAS SEX WITH HIS OWN WIFE!!!!
there, just wanted to clarify.
For some reason, Matt, Kevin and Oliver are all a tizzy over that aspect.
I guess my idea of a weirdo is out of date.
Ricky
Yes, ha is correct.
Clinton only mentioned “values” 8 times during his ’96 convention speech, so he wasn’t running a “values based” campaign. Although, I remember when “American values” wasn’t jingoistic.
However I wonder how shortsighted it is to point out that one’s preferred candidate cannot represent “family values”. If one isn’t careful, said party could have some trouble electing candidates in the bible belt if they embrace such an explosive position.
Is it value based to “minister” to a troubled 21 year old (remember that one?)?
Kevin
What a nasty guy Mr. Ryan is.
Aw wells!!
anyway, I beleive that the Democratic party has morals.
son’t you find it odd that BOTH sides say THE OTHER does not have morals!? NEITHER PARTY IS EVIL!
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Hey, Oliver,
Live by that sword, die by that sword. That’s okay with me. No quarter asked in this corner;none given, either. On election night, after your guy gets his tail waxed, ask yourself if it was worth it.
Oliver
FLASH: Hypocritical Republican into Weirdo Sex With Wife, Nobody Would Care If His Party Stayed Out of People’s Bedrooms
HH
Did Ryan call for a ban on sex clubs? I’m not clear on that… anyway Seven of Nine her own self gives him the full endorsement, says she alleges no unfaithfulness or abuse, so it’s the left getting into tabloid bullshit while tsk-tsking the media daring to ask about lies under oath on the other hand.
willyb
Oliver,
You have heard of the “rule of law”, haven’t you. That should help explain what happened to Clinton (lying in front of the grand jury is a CRIME) What crime did Jack Ryan commit?
willyb
Oliver,
Your last FLASH defines hypocrisy (you pretend to support something you really don’t support), but since it seems to be based in partisanship, it’s okay?
Kimmitt
I’m pretty sure that Oliver would prefer that Republicans would get the hell out of our bedrooms.
willyb
Kimmitt,
Are there Republicans in your bedroom?
Ricky
…While getting into Ryan’s bedroom.
Priceless.
capt joe
If a republican like jeri ryan jumped into my bedroom, my wife would object but as for my feelings…. I would have to see what comes up. ;)
Oliver, my FLASH was funnier than yours. In all this you are coming off as some sort of silly prig. Are you now conselling what sort of sex a married couple should have? He asked, she said no, end of story. He certainly did not force her agaisnt her will.
Give it a rest and stop embarrasing yourself.
Rick
Judging from Oliver’s comments, with Soros’ money comes Soros’ spittle-flecked lunacy.
Bork a “whacko,” but Starr spread “lies” about Clinton. Black is white, and we’ve always been a war with Oceana.
Cordially…
shark
Oliver, let me get this straight….impeachment means that the (strange) sex life of a Republican is now fair game?
Excuse me fool, but do you forget or deliberately not mention that impeachment wasn’t about sex but about PERJURY?
jack
Oliver,
Sex with his wife.
What part of that goes against family values?
Ah, the idea that it was kinky sex is what makes you say that it goes against family values…
And you say REPUBLICANS need to get out of people’s bedrooms?
Slartibartfast
“You guys made the game, we’re just playing it now.”
I wonder, are stretching exercises required to achieve such marvelous moral flexibility, or were you born with it?
Ricky
If you ever wonder what it’s like to actually be guided by principles, instead of the desire to “defeat those other guys, no matter what”, let me know, Oliver.
Life’s much more enjoyable.
M. Scott Eiland
Oliver is simply reacting in the way that Kevin Drum has recently–when your comments section is mostly populated by barking moonbats, reasonable discourse puts you at risk of being shredded by the mob. When Oliver criticized the effort to slime Ah-nuld before the recall election last year, his comments section crucified him. He won’t make *that* mistake again any time soon.
capt joe
With that sort of flexibility, I am quite sure, that Oliver doesn’t really need a woman.
Ferris Malton III
Scott I think you’re right. When a person has no real personal grounding, they tend to be swayed by the strong voices around them. When I was a leftist I saw that happening continuously. It was my utterly stubborn strength of will and sense of honesty that forced me to stray.
Ricky
I certainly won’t try to get into someone’s head & profess why they act a certain eay (I have it done to me enough to realize how disparaging it can be), but the barking moonbats is an apt analysis.
A shame, but it’s pretty much been eschatized.
JohnO
According to The Corner, the divorce records that were sealed were released at the request of 2 “Big Media” outfits. Waiting to hear the outrage from the Left on this intrusion into the Ryans’ private matters that would have nothing to do with his public service.
Andrew J. Lazarus
When Clinton demands a BJ performed in public (from Hillary, or Monica, take your pick), then we can compare.
Ricky
Of course, not everyone does it on public property, in the public’s white house, with public employees who work under your direct command and using public (gov’t) employees for a year to defend your actions (instead of their jobs). And then have people blame folks who CRITICIZE such behavior! (read up if you don’t believe me)
You’re right, there’s no comparison.
shark
When Clinton demands a BJ performed in public (from Hillary, or Monica, take your pick), then we can compare
A private club (in Paris no less) barely qualifies as “in public”
Very disingenious Mr. Vietnam Era Lazarus.
Besides, you didn’t mention the perjury. Do too much hash in the 60’s, lost a few braincells of memory?
Rick
AJL,
Not exactly on point, nor really riding of Oliver’s rescue.
Cordially…
capt joe
Aaaahh! the image of hillary giving Bill a bj into my brain. How cruel of you AJL. ;)
Kimmitt
“I wonder, are stretching exercises required to achieve such marvelous moral flexibility, or were you born with it?”
It’s kind of the other way around; the libs without the moral flexibility have been chased from politics in defeat. Sort of a natural selection process. It’s weird that you complain about it, though; we live in a country where we impeached a President over marital infidelity. At that point, I kind of figured everyone agreed that the concepts of decency, privacy, and proportionality are completely dead.
Kevin
I consider Bill pretty hot…
Chelsea must have got the brains of Hillary, and that rack from Bill.
shark
Kimmitt-
WE IMPEACHED A PRESIDENT OVER PERJURY, NOT MARITAL INFIDELITY.
Please stop your deliberate lies. Learn this lesson and learn it well.
Ricky
Kimmitt provides #1.
It was only a matter of when and who…..
HH
Clinton probably got Charles Walker indicted so he’d look honest by comparison…
Terry
Forgive Kimmitt’s “lies;” it’s merely a little aphasia acting up again.
Kimmitt
“WE IMPEACHED A PRESIDENT OVER PERJURY, NOT MARITAL INFIDELITY.”
Whatever. You elevated marital infidelity into perjury, then pretended to be amazed that a man would skate around the truth about having an extramarital affair.
Steve Malynn
Kimmitt, Clinton presided over a large expansion of the civil rights acts regarding “sexual harrassment”, ironically while (heh) allegedly committing the same acts he was signing laws to outlaw. Clinton intenionally lied and obstructed legal proceedings, and suborned others to lie on his behalf. The impeachment proceedings were legally necessary, he skated, but his disbarrments after were never challenged.
That he blames Ken Starr, post hoc, for his Lewianskys just shows how pathetic the man, Clinton, is.
shark
You elevated marital infidelity into perjury, then pretended to be amazed that a man would skate around the truth about having an extramarital affair.
Um….no. Marital infidelity and perjury are 2 different things. One does not get “elevated” into the other. And when you are asked under oath and you lie, that is not “skating around the truth”
It’s his own fault. He was being deposed in an unrelated harassment suit and then he lied under oath.
Explain to me again how this poor guy is a victim?
Your morals need some work Kimmitt…
shark
Clinton “skates around the truth” but I’ll bet Kimmitt thinks Bush is a liar…..oh the hypocracy!
Andrew J. Lazarus
Speaking of perjury, one of the Ryans must have committed it—aren’t those divorce filings under affidavit?
Calling Special Prosecutor…
Yeah, you guys set up a perjury trap for Clinton based on sex. Good for you (sarcasm).
Ricky
I know, Andrew, it’s us “guys” fault Clinton lied. The deposition was a “trap”. One of the constants of life among so many is that nothing is ever the fault of a Democrat.
Just read Oliver’s comments.
Course, that’s gotten them to the minority status they now carry, but……..
Rick
Yeah, us Right Wingers even out-maneuvered the clever President and “made him” suborn perjury and obstruct justice. Even though every particle of his upright being rebelled against it.
AJL, I’d tell you how we did it, but then I have to…you know… make you sleep with the fishes.
Cordially…
Andrew J. Lazarus
I’d rather sleep with the Mrs. Ryan, Rick. Can you arrange it? In a Paris club if possible: I missed all the fun parts of the sixties, and I’m seeing new possibilities here.
Rick
No, ‘pubbie wives are obviously too staid. Unless she, I dunno, perjured herself in this manner. In that case, the overriding question is “who made her do it?”
Cordially…
willyb
You lefties lose all credibility when you defend out and out perjury (a crime) and completely manaufacture “lies” told by Bush in connection with Iraq and demand his head. You people are obviously not stupid, so I can only conclude that you are brainwashed or deluded. Get a clue.
Terry
willyb- I wouldn’t concede that “…[they’re] obviously not stupid.”
Chris P
Wow! There’s an awful lot of fuss over a guy who wanted to bang his WIFE in a Paris sex club. She wasn’t into exhibitionism and they divorced. End of story.
Gary Farber
“Of course, it is mildly amusing to see certain people commenting about this.”
Well, okay, fine. That should be easy to support. Why, exactly, is it “mildly amusing” to see Nick Confessore comment on this? Kevin Drum? Jesse Taylor?
Have they chatted up their opinions about sex clubs? Have they publicaly stated an opinion?
Is everything related to sex related to sex? I’d assume not, given, say, Lynne Cheney’s novel, and, well, the world. No one has accused Jack Ryan of anything beyond, specifically, an interest in public sex clubs, and an interest in having sex in public.
What’s your position on sex clubs,
It’s a fairly limited topic, but, my goodness, John, Republicans in general aren’t going to look great if you expand it. So I’ll limit this comment to there.
No big conclusion. No big partisanship, which is, I know, against the rules. I’m just not clear why it’s “amusing” to see these folks comment about sex clubs. Do you have some cites for their past posts on sex clubs, then?
If not, why? If not, what relevance are you, specifically, citing? URLs?
I’m sure you wouldn’t want to agree with wacky statements along the lines of “Republicans are anti-sex,” because they’d be wrong, and unsupportable. So I’d expect you’d be able to support whatever — and frankly, I can’t tell what the heck it is, other than, apparently, Democrats are pro-sex-clubs — you’re saying.
It’s cute the way your commenters endorse exhibitionism, though. Is that a Republican platform, then
by the way, since you brought it up?
John Cole
GAry- It is amusing, because of the Clinton era apologies and back-pedalling.
Jen
I fell it is utterly ridiculous that Jack Ryan is being condemned for wanting to have sex with his WIFE, while republicans were told that it was none of our business that Clinton was engaging in extra marital affairs. That just shows how truely out of whack the media in our country is.