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Jan
Magical Unity Pony Sighting
Get you some M.U.P. right here:
“I know it is tempting — after another presidency by a man named George Bush — to simply turn back the clock, and to build a bridge back to the 20th century,” the Illinois senator said in Denver.“... It’s not enough to say you’ll be ready from Day One — you have to be right from Day One,” he added in unmistakable criticisms of Clinton, who often claims she’s better prepared to govern, and her husband, who pledged during his own presidency to build a bridge to the 21st century.
Consider this your open thread.
Neal
Giddy up, Pony!
TheFountainHead
I hadn’t heard the bridge back to the 20th Century line before. That’s damn near brilliant.
Zifnab
The Big Dog is no match for the Magical Uni-Pony. Obama’s cranking up the rhetoric, which is always fun to see. It’ll be fun to watch him match up against Republican smear. I want to see him take McRomney down a peg or ten.
Krista
It’s funny. When this whole thing started, I really didn’t have much of a preference between Clinton, Obama and Edwards. (For whatever that’s worth, right?) But I think that the tipping point for me was when Bill started stealing the spotlight. We expect candidate’s spouses to campaign FOR them. We don’t really expect them to campaign AGAINST the opponents. And once in office,we expect the First Lady (or First Spouse, as it were), to perhaps have a couple of key issues for which they work. Do we expect Bill to stay in the background, maybe espousing just a few pet issues? His actions aren’t indicating as such, which makes me worry if a Hillary presidency will be a constant power struggle between the Clintons as to who’s holding the reins. And I LIKE Bill—- but this whole campaign has really made me take another look at the two of them, and my opinion of them has taken a bit of a dive. I still think that Hillary would be miles better than any of the Republican asshats out there. But is she the best choice? I don’t think so anymore.
LiberalTarian
Ugh. If only Obama would shut up.
Farhad
Am pretty much tired of hearing lofty dialog, I do believe he is a better candidate then Hillary but something just makes me feel wrong. Yes its uplifting, yes its effective at aiming for something higher… but honestly…
What exactly would he do different given his silence during the years in congress, especially since both his and Clintons voting habits were exactly the same bar the vote for war.
The president coming into 2009 will be dealing with: – US Economic catastrophe that would need some serious reworking of the Fed, Regulatory bodies, addressing massive debt, foriegn asset control and a stop to the US economy running on bubble cycles. – Two wars that seem to be going nowhere and leading into occupatioal status. – Disastorus international foreign standing, with cold relations with the EU, Russia, Iran and China. – Turning back 7 years of authoritarian Bush reforms designed to approve torture, wire tapping, and give undue unconsitiutional powers to the executive branch.
Would Obama’s lofty speech mean he will be able to make the hard choices that these and many other pressing issues need? I hope so. Goddamn ponies…
Jen
Good point, Krista!
Mike P
That M.U.P. can kick a little, eh?
TheFountainHead
I think this misses the issue a bit. The lofty rhetoric doesn’t give him the strength to make hard choices, and lets be honest, the actually decision making for the vast majority of the issues we face will have to be done by the legislative branch. What the lofty rhetoric CAN do is persuade Congress and more importantly the PEOPLE, that these decisions must be made. I have to believe that if the people are given theincentive, and the courage, to demand change, they’ll get it. But that only comes from having someone directing our energies, and that’s one of the reasons Obama appeals to me and so many others.
Shorter: Talking pretty IS the point.
Grand Moff Texan
To hell with Bloomberg, we’ve already got a unity ticket!
McCain/Hillary ‘08!
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TheFountainHead
McCain/Clinton ‘08 – We’re not even sure what we stand for anymore!
Neal
Is MUP perfect? Is he our savior? Nope.
Is he the best choice out of the 4 or 5 candidates left?
I really do feel that he is.
We’re running out of options, guys.
Just my two cents.
Jay
He would be able to attract a better quality of people around him who will not hitch their wagon to the Clinton Stink.
I ask again: Would a new Clinton administration get Gennifer Flowers and Paula Jones new spreads in Penthouse?
Zifnab
McCain/Hillary ‘08!
head explodes
Dreggas
The Big Dog is no match for the Magical Uni-Pony. Obama’s cranking up the rhetoric, which is always fun to see. It’ll be fun to watch him match up against Republican smear. I want to see him take McRomney down a peg or ten.
I read a rather interesting diary at the great orange satan that was basically a bunch of quotes from the MUP in recent speeches. Not only can the MUP kick he shat all over Clinton.
Zifnab
Groan implodes
Thanks guys, but seriously, you can stop now.
Neal
Maybe Monica could resume her career as a humidor.
The Grand Panjandrum
Hell I’m just tickled pink that all the remaining candidates speak English as a first language. After the last 7+ years of listening to the C student mangle the language, it would be a nice change to have a President who doesn’t sound like he was repeatedly dropped on his head as a child.
Obama’s my guy. This story in today’s NYT reminds of what a fucking distraction and pain in the ass Bill would be if he were the First Beau. The guy just has no ability to check his ego and remember that the eyes of the world are still on him.
From all the reports I have read Obama is a consensus builder and quite good at it. I prefer that brand of leadership, so I loves me some M.U.P. But I will vote for the Democrat, because, as I explained earlier it all comes down to Supreme Court Justices.
Zifnab
Obama brings reconciliation. He’s not Hillary Clinton, so the right wing noise machine will have to look a fair bit more crazy and stupid than it usually does to really go after him. He’s got Ted Kennedy on his left and Dan Riehl on his right. Show me another candidate who could score both of those endorsements.
And when he brings people together, he’ll be doing it on the far left of the American political spectrum – which just so happens to be the center of sane domestic and foreign policy.
Obama won’t say or do anything radically different from Hillary Clinton. He just has a bigger chance of getting his words turned into actions.
And besides, its not like Hillary Clinton is going away. She’ll hang out in the Senate and be Majority Leader inside ten years, no doubt. We’ll get to see the Hillary Health Care Program on the table come 2010. Hillary just won’t be the one signing it into law.
Jen
Zif, you are SO on the pony. That pony is your bitch.
Jen
Also, I thought this was a pretty decent MUP endorsement. Just a taste:
Ooh, a variation presents itself: Barack is the enabler of other people transcending things!
TheFountainHead
Maybe Barack can lend JC some of his $32 Million to keep this site from crashing.
myiq2xu
Good thing Obama has transcended negative campaigning.
Surabaya Stew
So if Obama is a M.U.P, what are the Clintons? How about S.D.T.s (Scary Dividing Trolls)?
Neal
Clintons? STDs?
I’d believe it.
Oh. you said SDTs. Sorry.
myiq2xu
John Cole may have come over from the dark side, but the stench of right-wing meme’s still permeate this place.
TheFountainHead
It’s only a “right wing meme” if it comes from the right wing. This is Homegrown.
empty
I still think this is the best description of at least my problem with Obama’s rhetoric:
myiq2xu
I’ve tried homegrown before. It smells much better.
I mean, I heard it does.
Is it 4:20 yet?
The Other Steve
LOL! This coming from the guy who spent the past several days trashing on Ted Kennedy.
The Other Steve
But it’s more fun than wallowing in the gutter.
TheFountainHead
I don’t even know where to begin with this. It’s one thing to make the argument that his rhetoric leaves less room for details, but to suggest that what he’s saying America needs to do next, to change, if you will, is difficult to comprehend….well that’s just willfully ignoring the words that come out of his mouth. Let alone all the other sources of information on his policies. So many people are so quick to point out how little his policy differs from Clinton on so many things, and in the next moment they are telling you he doesn’t have any policy because it gets lost in the eloquence of his speeches
? It’s like saying, “Uh, excuse me, Mr. Obama, could you please dumb it down a bit while simultaneously making it more technical? Thanks. Oh, and don’t be boring.”
/boggle
OxyCon
“... It’s not enough to be a proven, competent leader — we all have to feel good, hold hands and sing Kumbaya. We need to vote for the guy that will make us feel good about ourselves. He may not have a freaking clue what he’s doing, or have any experience running government at any level, but he’s black and he has a Muslim name, so we can prove we’re not racists by voting for him. Besides, he tells a great speech, too”.
myiq2xu
Actually, I said nothing about him yesterday.
Funny though, how suddenly all the right-wing talking heads and Hillary-haters suddenly think Kennedy is a wonderful person now that he endorsed BHO.
I’m sure everyone here would still love him if he had endorsed HRC instead. After all, he didn’t really drive off that bridge while drunk and kill a girl.
And that cheating thing in college was just a mistake.
empty
Can we set the bar any lower?
The Other Andrew
I’m thrilled to see Obama go negative—I honestly think that the American public gauges a candidate’s “toughness” on how they take on their political enemies, be it in a primary or an election. If Kerry had fought back earlier and harder against the swift boating, I think he would’ve been elected.
Also, I think the Magical Unity Pony has Karl Rove’s playbook tucked into its saddlebag. The left tends to expect its candidates to be open and straightforward all the time, but I’m starting to wonder if Obama’s “vague in public, detailed online” strategy isn’t defensive-minded dog-whistle politics. He appears warm-fuzzy hopeful to the masses, while making wonkish stuff available to those who care enough to find it. Whereas if he went into detail and gave lots of policy quotes, the right would quickly use it against him, and the masses would get bored and flip to Moment of Truth. It’s less risky to use progressive codewords/language that fly over the heads of the uninitiated. That said, it’s not as specified as the right’s dog-whistle style, it’s more about attitude and outlook than specific terms.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Please stop acting like people can’t change their opinions based on what’s going on. You sound like some of the committed grass-roots liberal teenagers from my area who just can’t understand why people don’t get it
People are happy because everyone is hopeful Obama turns out to be a liberal Reagan and they just saw a literal White Liberal Elite endorse a very-not-elite black dude.
There’s a lot of positive press in the situations ahead of us, and the press is going to do whatever they can to get your eyes.
We get it. You’re wary. You’ve got nothing else for us. Move on to more useful pastures.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Can we set the bar any lower?
I dunno. Are we being asked to put patches on our clothing yet? Get into a boxcar?
Always can go lower. You just keep doing what you’re doing Citizen. We’ll take care of it.
Tom in Texas
myig:
You seem to make it a habit to assume what others would do in hypothetical situations (If Hillary had won SC, Obamanation would cry foul. If Obama had won FL, he would try to count the delegates, If Kennedy had endorsed Hill, Obamafans would trash him). Can you name a liberal that Obamafans have trashed for endorsing Hillary? Where is the evidence to support your assumption?
myiq2xu
Look up sarcasm in the dictonary
myiq2xu
Maxine Waters – criticism of her when she endorsed HRC was what I responded to originally.
myiq2xu
I never said anything about there being anything wrong with Obama’s win in SC or implied that Obama Nation would cry foul if HRC won.
I never took a position on the Florida delegates, I only said that the vote mattered and that the fanbois would agree if BHO had won instead of HRC.
As for Kennedy, my comment was:
I didn’t say anything about the Obamafans.
Quit making shit up
Zifnab
Dog-whistle politics take a while to sink in. I’m sure there were people who listened to Reagen speak back in the 70s and thought, “Fuck state’s rights, I wanna lynch me a darkie!”
There will eventually be a day when Obama can talk about “transcending the conflicts of generations” and have the left wing nod and smile knowing he’s going to bump up the minimum wage by a few bucks.
Of course, the problem with dog whistle politics is that it can get you dog whistle legislation, like twenty different bills that don’t quite ban abortion or twenty different resolutions that don’t quite get us out of Iraq. It would be nice if Obama got up on the stump and wonked for a bit about what the hell he’s going to do about health care and taxes.
TheFountainHead
Look, I fixed it for you!! You’re Welcome!!
Would you like to feed the Pony now??
empty
Oooo a macho man! Goosebumps, goosebumps!
myiq2xu
If Caidence ever runs for office, his slogan will be “Suck it up, you wimps!”
tBone
Most ironic myiq2 statement ever.
Laertes
And that cheating thing in college was just a mistake.
And now, thanks to Mr. Kennedy’s unfortunate endorsement, I’m now outraged by Chappaquiddick!
Neal
Fountainhead, what does the pony like to eat?
The souls of affluent well-connected white women?
I’ll see if I can find him some.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
I think you both missed the rhetorical sarcasm of using a Capital-C Citizen.
I’m saying shit can always get worse, so take a stand somewhere.
I’m going to take a stand and say that a pony with a fuzzy track record is better than a chimp with a track record for torture.
TheFountainHead
Neal, the Magical Unity Pony eats whatever you give it! That which you humbly provide him will be graciously accepted and digested, enhancing his magical powers.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
I think you’re looking for the term “Internet Tough Guy”
i lawl when i see those pitchers.
TheFountainHead
I c wut u did thar. Joo r clevur. Pony + Track = imugree! Is like race!
myiq2xu
Gee, that is sooooo two days ago
Darkness
Neal Says:
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Just my two cents.
Thanks to the most modern world of HTML, you can now have your own 2¢ just like in the old days with your father’s typewriter. Amaze your friends; frighten your enemies.
All you have to do is use an html special character, which is accessed by typing a code between & and ; So, for ¢ you say: ¢ (ampersand-c-e-n-t-semicolon) and valla… ¢ comes out in the preview.
More of ⩇Δ⇓∅ can be found by googling “html special characters”.
TheFountainHead
All you have to do is use an html special character, which is accessed by typing a code between & and ; So, for ¢ you say: ¢ (ampersand-c-e-n-t-semicolon) and valla… ¢ comes out in the preview.
More of ⩇Δ⇓∅ can be found by googling “html special characters”.
Things that are cool and I will never remember.
Neal
All you have to do is use an html special character, which is accessed by typing a code between & and ; So, for ¢ you say: ¢ (ampersand-c-e-n-t-semicolon) and valla… ¢ comes out in the preview.
More of ⩇Δ⇓∅ can be found by googling “html special characters”
I don’t fucking believe it.
The shit these kids come up with nowadays.
Seriously, HTML is fun and I know a little bit of it but sometimes it’s easier (and faster) just to type.
That is all.
Hypatia
I’m not defending W. Clinton’s strident attacks against Obama, but he, Hillary, and the rest of us are in uncharted territory here. There’s never been a woman with this genuine a shot at the White House before, and nobody really knows how a man is supposed to act in this role, especially an ex-President. He can’t just step with comfort into a ‘position’ fashioned specifically for women, traditionally women without even professions of their own. That’s not sexism, just a fact of life. If Hillary does go on to get the nomination and win the presidency, I don’t see how anyone can expect that Bill is going to spend his time nodding and smiling and devoting himself to highway beautification or literacy or whatever. This is going to be different, and probably some things will work and some will cause controversy and criticism. I don’t see that as necessarily a bad thing.
(One positive result of the Clintons retrieving the keys to the car might be the permanent retiring of the title ‘First Lady’ or any derivative thereof. As the late Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis observed, it sounds like a saddle horse, and she herself always insisted on being called Mrs. Kennedy.)
You know, Chappaquiddick was a terrible thing. It’s not like making Whitewater jokes. Mary Jo Kopechne died and the Kennedy family’s attempted spin and cover-up really stank to the heavens. The whole business was appalling and it should follow Teddy around forever, although I don’t think it has to be mentioned every time he does something notable. And I like a lot of the things he’s accomplished over the years.
eric
I heard that Obama transcends consciousness. MUU: magical unity unicorn.
Obama – Better than Sliced Bread? Or Just as Good?
PS Those are jokes, but I actually am an Obama supporter.
Neal
I don’t want to sound like a queer or nothing but I think unicorns are kick-ass.
TheFountainHead
Shhhh! That’s for the general election! He’ll grow that horn out at the convention!
Given the way the price of bread has gone up, I’m gonna go ahead and say “better than”.
Darkness
Ah well. I tried. I’m an old dog, I learn new programming tricks every day. I have a special place in my heart of ¢ because when I got my first computer, a vic 20, I was stressed to find it lacked a ¢ key, despite otherwise being a mimic of our typewriter. It is only recently that ¢ has returned. As well as those other lost orphans ½ ¼ and ¾ that I’ve also dearly missed. The world of computing only took 25 years to return to its roots.
A bridge to the 20th century indeed.
Cuzco
I think the whole Obama/Clinton battle on the left really just boils down to: Should the next president be a janitor? Or CEO?
Personally, I want a janitor to clean up Bush’s mess, and for that role, I just see Hillary as being a better fit than Obama. Once Hillary is done with the cleanup, I would definitely support Obama for moving America in a new direction, but not before.
Darkness
Obama’s my guy. This story in today’s NYT reminds of what a fucking distraction and pain in the ass Bill would be if he were the First Beau.
I’m not disagreeing with your choice but I’m disagreeing with the concern. Most countries have two national leaders to split up the work load, the head of government and the head of state. Usually this is the Prime Minister and the President. In Britain it’s the Prime Minister and the Queen/King. This isn’t a bad system. We overload our president with two more-than-full-time jobs. The Bill thing doesn’t bother me one bit because this breakdown is expected by every visiting foreigner and they will see nothing odd if Bill takes over as Head of State. Frankly, he can have the job. It’s nodding and shaking hands with visitors ad nauseum. Sounds like a good job for him. No foreigner will equate that to mean he’s taken over as Head of Government.
TheFountainHead
Cuzco, I just don’t know what you mean by “clean up the mess”? Are you one of those people living in an alternate reality that criminal justice can be brought to bear on the Bush Administration, or are you just looking for wholesale change? If you’re looking for revenge, well, good luck to you on that. If you’re lokoing for something the opposite of George Bush, look no further than Barack Obama, the most liberal senator in 2007.
Here’s the money quote from Bill Burton:
“Only in Washington can you get falsely attacked for being like Reagan one week and labeled the most liberal the next.”
myiq2xu
If Elizabeth Dole were elected President would Bob Dole be a pain in the ass?
Or would he keep his job as a greeter at Walmart?
TheFountainHead
Or would he keep his job as a greeter at Walmart?
I don’t know.
Will the Coyote ever catch the Road Runner??
I’m sorry, was that a serious question?
Mr Furious
Oh. you said SDTs. Sorry.
LOL! That’s how I read it too. Much funnier that way.
Mr Furious
Oh, boy. “I suppose Obama is the janitor because he’s black” accusations in 3…2…1…
Neal
I was thinking that. Or maybe Hillary likes to clean because she’s a woman.
Actually, Hilldog’s more into laundry though. Like ironing shirts.
myiq2xu
From Newshoggers, an excerpt from the book Naked Launch by Dan Cooper:
I nominate for “Mr. Obvious”
Jay
Hypatia’s comment reminded me of an old limerick:
There once was a senator from Mass
Who was looking for a new piece of ass
He lucked and found one
Fucked up and drowned
Now his career’s in the past.
Or should’ve been.
Conservatively Liberal
What really smells is Bill’s slimy fundraising connections to Kazakhstan’s leader, Bill’s Canadian buddy (Frank Guistra) who ended up with mining contracts worth billions within 48 hours after Clinton and Guistra visit the leader of Kazakhstan in Guistra’s private jet (but Clinton claims he knew nothing about the deal), and the $131 million Guistra ‘donated’ to Clinton’s foundation. The whole deal reeks, yet it is funny to read Hillary’s supporters saying that since she knew nothing about it then it should not matter.
Sorry Hillary lovers, but you are no better than the enablers of Chimpy McFlightsuit if you think this shit is fine and dandy. You watch, if Hillary gets the nod in the primary, the right and the MSM are going to have a free for all in the GE over Bill’s dealings in this case.
You put together Clinton complimenting Kazakhstan’s president on his human rights record (which is atrocious), a Canadian financier with a new mining company (that exists on paper) looking for work in Kazakhstan, a uranium deal made with the president of Kazakhstan, $131 million donation to Clinton’s foundation, a birthday party the financier threw for Clinton that included Bon Jovi and the fact that the same financier (through his InfoUSA data mining company) may have sold lists of retirees that could be taken advantage of by scammers, and you have the starting line of where the right will take the Clintons apart this fall.
Howl about the MUP all you want, with crap dealings like this I will take the MUP any day. I believe that if Hillary wins the primary, the Democrats will lose this fall. The NYT front page story today on Bill Clinton is the warning shot across the bow.
In a twisted way, I almost want to see Hillary win. With the republican party devastated, Clinton will kill the Democratic party once and for all with the crap that will happen while she is in office. After both parties are totally trashed, maybe we can create a couple of new ones.
That, or after 8 years of Hillary, Jeb will come along and save the day for the Republicans. How about 36 years of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton/Bush?
Talk about Nightmare on Pennsylvania Avenue.
TheFountainHead
Barack Obama does NOT transcend server capacity.
The website is occasionally jamming up with the number of hits it’s getting today.
Jen
But Barack does facilitate others transcending server capacity.
I recommend we give both JC and Barack $3.01.
myiq2xu
From Left Coaster:
The key to the alleged scandal is Bill Clinton’s supposedly having helped a Canadian businessman secure a business deal with the genuinely awful government of Kazakhstan, for which the businessman, years later, made enormous donations to the Clinton Foundation. The article does mention that Senator Clinton, herself, has remained steadfastly critical of Kazakhstan’s government, but that’s not supposed to matter. What’s supposed to matter is that Bill Clinton will shamelessly use anyone to raise tons of money for his foundation. Which fights global warming, and AIDS and poverty in the developing world.
Ahhh, I love the stench of right-wing meme in the afternoon.
It smells like . . .victory.
For Hillary
myiq2xu
Oh gee, wouldn’t it be Chelsea’s turn in 2024?
Neal
George P Bush! 2032!
Conservatively Liberal
I love how the right claims that the NYT is a far left rag, and the left claims that the NYT is a far right rag. I wonder how this can happen? And the NYT endorsed Hillary! So it logically follows that they would immediately attack her.
Thats the ticket!
You can claim it is a right wing hit piece, but that is not going to stop it. We already know how truthful Bill is (not), and the fact that a meeting at his home was conveniently forgotten until proof was found that it did happen will just add to the story. If you think you can just dismiss it and think the right will not flog this horse to death, you are a moron.
If Hillary wins next Tuesday, I bet the shit will start to fly shortly thereafter. And it will be non-stop until November. The fact that the freepers are keeping quiet on this one tells me that they are probably keeping their powder dry until it is needed for the big guns.
‘But Bill is using the money for his foundation! He is saving lives! He is doing good with the money!’
Keep telling yourself that. More cowbell
myiq2xu
Whitewater! Vince Foster! Travelgate! Christmas Cardgate!
Paula Jones! Monica! Kathleen Willey! Juanita Brodderick!
All those “scandals” for one stained dress.
Let’s save time and put Ken Starr on it now. Maybe after 6-7 years and $70 million he’ll discover another lie about a blow-job.
Then we can impeach Hillary.
Chuck Butcher
If this Democratic Primary were about real substanial policy issues and policy differences, neither of the leaders would be. Now myiqis2 is all offended by Obama’s “unity” and seems to trumpet Hillary’s experience and toughness and progressivism. New flash, neither is progressive. News flash, successful black politician/successful woman politician – toughness is a given. NEITHER is a progressive and you all know it, what you can get is approach, that is about the limit of your choices.
Now I’ve scoffed at “unity” as a policy, but it does have something to reccomend it as a starting point. It is much more difficult to demonizd someone who started out with a hand exended. It’ll happen anyhow, but some validity points are subtracted.
As for who will clean up the mess, that requires inclination and will, you can make your own judgements about that, but I will note that Hillary is not exactly known for transparency in politics. Nor has she recently demonstrated honesty or keeping deals.
Lefties are not going to like either of these people after a couple years. You are NOT going to get left from them, no matter who endorses.
Chappaquiddic and Monica are facts of the past, probably nobody will ever know exactly what was what in either case. Neither covered either with glory and as usual, the cover up caused more shit than possibly the facts. Because there is so little substantive difference between the two, this is mostly about personality and that probably explains the amount of heat in discussion.
What do I get? A choice between two BOR stompers. Two play to the “middle” candidates. Stupidity in health care – the niggling details between them amount to nothing in comparison to the problem. NOTHING regarding income disparity. NOTHING regarding hungry and homeless people in THIS country. Nothing regarding blue collar wage depression. This would be pretty amusing if it weren’t so serious.
D-Chance.
He’s got Ted Kennedy on his left and Dan Riehl on his right.
“We’re not racist! We just elected us a black guy as preznit!”
Dan Riehl’s column was hardly an endorsement. He sees Obama as little more than a Token to be used against all future minority complaints. Somehow, a minority being elected will wash away all past, present, and future slights…
Jen
My poli sci prof friend just sent me some hopeful polling...
Conservatively Liberal
I with Chuck on this one. Neither Hillary or Barack are true progressives, but the true progressive (Edwards) tried and was unable to get traction. Press coverage was unfair for Edwards with Hillary and Obama sucking all of the air out of the room. That and I think Edwards scares the corporate media, thus their literal blackout of him.
I think that the voters who sit in the center are the kingmakers, and the far left and right foam, drool and snap at each other while trying to get the center to follow their ideas/candidates. If either side gets traction with the center and wins, the leader will eventually piss off the electorate and then the pendulum swings to the other side in the next election. This is because both sides have their good and bad ideas, and people like me like some of the ideas from both sides and hate others. But finding one candidate who can keep both sides happy is next to impossible.
I think the MUP is a tactical decision by Obama to refrain from pissing off the center right before the election. Same with Hillary and her tactical votes (AUMF, support for the Iraq war, flag burning and so on), she wants to calm the center right without pissing off the left.
As far as retribution/investigations of Bush by Prez Hillary, I don’t think that dog will hunt. With Bill and Poppy Bush being BFF, and the corporations/money involved in the war, I think Hillary will just tell everyone that ‘Bush is gone and it is time to move forward’ (or some drivel to that effect). The hard left will bitch and moan about it, but that will be the extent of it.
Progressive democratic candidates? Nope. Edwards dropped out. Nothing to see here.
Surabaya Stew
Oh. you said SDTs. Sorry.
Yeah, my bad; I tried my best…
Agreed; can anybody think of a good Clinton acronym that adds up to STD’s? My brain hurts from thinking about them!
myiq2xu
I am not offended by Obama’s “unity” schtick. It takes real skill to be negative and devisive while convincing (almost) everyone that you’re running a positive campaign and you’re “a uniter, not a divider.”
As I see it, the big difference between Obama and Hillary is that he’s black, male, and is a better speechifier.
I like to poke fun at the concept that Obama has transcended race, politics, etc. Hence, the “Magical Unity Pony.”
Obama is a lawyer and a politician. Not only that, he is a product of Chicago machine politics. Expecting him to be pure and innocent is like looking for a virgin in a whorehouse.
Truthfully, my biggest issue with Obama is I don’t think he’s ready for prime-time.
Neither was the Big Dog when he got to Washington, that’s a lot of the reason his first 4 years were such a clusterfuck.
The other thing that bugs me about Obama is his tendency to echo right-wing meme’s. Maybe that’s just for show, but he doesn’t have enough of a track record to be sure.
I’d hate to see him get elected and then sail over into Wingnuttia.
I think both Hillary and Obama are lying, conniving, corrupt, “anything to win” politicians. On that basis I choose Hillary, because as the proverb goes “better the (she)devil you know.”
But he sure talks purty, don’t he?
empty
It would be wouldn’t it.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
As I see it, the big difference between Obama and Hillary is that he’s black, male, and is a better speechifier.
I like to poke fun at the concept that Obama has transcended race, politics, etc. Hence, the “Magical Unity Pony.”
Obama is a lawyer and a politician. Not only that, he is a product of Chicago machine politics. Expecting him to be pure and innocent is like looking for a virgin in a whorehouse.
Truthfully, my biggest issue with Obama is I don’t think he’s ready for prime-time.
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The other thing that bugs me about Obama is his tendency to echo right-wing meme’s. Maybe that’s just for show, but he doesn’t have enough of a track record to be sure.
I’d hate to see him get elected and then sail over into Wingnuttia.
I stick my head in here, and what do you know, myiq posts a rational explanation for the irrational crap he’s been launching ad nauseum. cool.
myiq: Please, for the love of people that are trying, PLEASE show us someone better than Obama if you know of anyone. I’ll vote for him or her, just show me the logic!!
We’re over here pulling our hair out worrying about shit… Obama is the only one putting any sugar on the situation, and you’re telling us it’s cyanide. You evil bastard.
You’re worried about Obama being a wingnut. Tell us how Hillary isn’t going to go over to wingnut land. seriously. Her husband fucked over most of the core left groups that gave them money, just so he could keep the office. He sold out anything that would give him a little bit of a boost. WHAT is Hillary GOING TO DO DIFFERENTLY?? Get a divorce as a symbol? I’d give her points for that.
Until you can answer that question, I’m taking the dude that’s trying the new approach. This old revenge shit is fucking worthless, and got a WAR CRIMINAL into office.
Can you tell that “WAR CRIMINAL” is reason enough me to try something new? There IS such a thing as catastrophically bad. At that point, everything related to the catastrophe is PURGED WITH PREJUDICE. GONE!
Your turn.
Zifnab
Dan Riehl’s column was hardly an endorsement. He sees Obama as little more than a Token to be used against all future minority complaints. Somehow, a minority being elected will wash away all past, present, and future slights…
Yes, but Riehl wants him over McCain. For whatever twisted, deplorable, mentally deficient reason he chooses to explain it away, Dan Riehl has been infected with the Obamafication if only by default.
If Charlie Rangel or Keith Ellison were running for President, do you honestly think he’d be singing the same tune? I seriously doubt it.
That Riehl can put aside Obama’s voting record, his progressive rhetoric, his health care policy, his anti-war position, and his being in the Democratic Party shows that Barak can win bipartisan support just by being Barak.
Imagine, if you would, Senator McConnell leading his minority party to support raising the minimum wage or allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, just because it will “wash away all past, present, and future slights…” by siding with President Obama. Not frak’n likely, but still.
Republicans will fight Hillary strictly because she is Hillary. They’ll work with Obama strictly because he’s Obama. I think we could use a little more brain-dead capitulation and a little less brain-dead opposition right now.
TheFountainHead
I agree 100%, in sentiment if not in tone. Hillary has shown me nothing if not her ability to do that which is good for the Clintons and that part of the Democratic party she calls “hers”.
incontrolados
ditto Chuck and Cons. Lib. Edwards dropping out was a blow—I can’t really wrap my head around it yet. While I didn’t agree with everything he said, he represented the closest a presidential candidate has ever been to my political opinions ever. Having been a supporter of his for 5 years, I can’t decide between the two remaining. There’s time, though, since Texas’ primary isn’t utnil March. He’s a good man with a good family who got treated terribly by scumbags.
myiq2xu
Okay, first of all, don’t blog drunk, son. When you puke into the intertubes it makes a mess for everyone.
You need to spend some time out of the spin zone you’ve been in pretty much all your life.
Head on over to The Daily Howler and start reading. Uncle Bob Somersby will help set you straight. Also try Bartcop and the Left Coaster.
And ignore all the right-wing monkeys that will be throwing their shit at me for this post.
Also ignore the leftist ideologues who will scream about the Clintons selling out. Remember when Ralph Nader said there was no difference between Gore and Bush?
“Oh my! The Clintons are divisive, they’re too liberal and they sold out to the right”
See what a bipartisan Magical Unity Pony can expect?
myiq2xu
Uh-huh, sure they will.
TheFountainHead
You need to spend some time out of the spin zone you’ve been in pretty much all your life.
Head on over to The Daily Howler and start reading. Uncle Bob Somersby will help set you straight. Also try Bartcop and the Left Coaster.
And ignore all the right-wing monkeys that will be throwing their shit at me for this post.
Also ignore the leftist ideologues who will scream about the Clintons selling out. Remember when Ralph Nader said there was no difference between Gore and Bush?
“Oh my! The Clintons are divisive, they’re too liberal and they sold out to the right”
See what a bipartisan Magical Unity Pony can expect?
Shorter: LISTEN TO ME! I R SMART PURSON! EVRY1 ELZ R DA LIIIAARS!
myiq2xu
Monkey see, monkey poo
empty
Wow! The guy gives a list of resources. Tells you to go read. And this is what you hear? Wow!
myiq2xu
And then I get accused of being a troll.
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