Via Andrew Sullivan, this piece highlighting the fact that the prominent writers in “right blogosphere” are dumb as a sack of hammers.
Special Bonus: It is written in the TNR, AMERICA-HATING BEAUCHAMP PROMOTERS.
Special Bonus #2: It starts with the following sentence: ‘A few days ago, a bunch of conservative bloggers had themselves a little uproar.’ Isn’t that everyday in the conservative blogosphere? The only thing that changes are the enemies and the target of the outrage.
*** Update #2 ***
At first I thought maybe Mr. Spades had just misunderstood the devil’s-advocate questioning style — an ancient journalistic device, examples of which appears in the excerpt above. But as I read on, and saw the unquestioning linkage from Ole Perfesser Reynolds, I realized that we were on a cusp of a massive shift: conservatives have actually begun speaking a different language than the rest of us. When we say “creationism bad,” they hear “Islam roolz,” and tell each other how stupid we are to say “Islam roolz” when what we should have said was “creationism bad.”
I’m beginning to get nervous about them. I’ve thought before that they’d crossed the final frontier, but they’ve always managed to kick the madness up a notch. This new threshold must surely be the very end — but I know they’ll try to outdo it, and by God, knowing the moxie they bring to such tasks, they might just make it. What will be the bone-chilling result? Will they draw the very fabric of time and space in upon itself, dooming us all? Or will they just start wearing their pants inside out like Dexy’s Midnight Runners?
At any rate, I am now really confused. Is creationism considered bad by the right-wing, or is it only Islamic creationism they reject?
Jim Treacher
Unlike the liberal blogosphere!
Bubblegum Tate
Why doesn’t anybody talk about the potential benefits of global warming? (
Bubblegum Tate
Hrm…the parenthetical note in my comment was supposed to point out that my question is an actual wingnut argument…don’t know why it didn’t show up in the comment.
Paul L.
Why are the proponents of catastrophic man-made global warming unwilling to release any of their underlying code? Like Michael Mann not releasing the code to his (give it random data and it generates a hockey stick) ‘hockey stick’ model.
McIntyre had to reserve engineer the NASA code to find the “bug”
Some Final Thoughts on The NASA Temperature Restatement
Zifnab
You may have used one of those sideways carrots – above the period and comma – that turns the following text into HTML tag code rather than actually visible print.
They do, Paul. Just follow the links.
What gets me is that conservatives continue to think they have any scientific credibility.
Jake
I guess if you didn’t get the memo that there is more to the world than the U.S of A, you might get a bit confused…
Bruce Moomaw
If that comment of McIntyre’s is as accurate as his previous comments on Hansen’s “deception” (see the Tim Lambert blog linked to by the TNR piece), we can safely relegate him to La-La Land.
By the way, since “fisking” has now firmly worked its way into slang, can we start referring to any hysterical Web-spread tempest in a teapot as a “Beauchamp”?
John S.
Zombie talking points are the worst kind…no matter how hard you try to kill them, they just keep coming back.
You’ve got to aim for the head to be sure.
Which actually proves difficult in Paul’s case, since as our resident sentient zombie colon, he has no head to speak of that one can aim for.
The Other Steve
Damn that NASA for correcting it’s data! Damn them! They ought to be frog marched out for admitting an error.
As we all know, admitting errors is a sign of weakness and gives aid and comfort to our islamofascist enemies.
The Other Steve
All Global Warming evidence is in question, because a single measuring station in Minnesota had an air conditioner 12 feet away from the thermometer!
Formerly Wu
You mean like this?
Tell me, Paul- and this is a serious, honest question about something that has long confused me- what, exactly, do global warming denialists think the global warming activists are trying to hide, and to what purpose?
After all, normal people don’t go yelling about world-ending catastrophes unless a) there’s a serious potential for world-ending catastrophes or b) they have something to gain from the resulting hysteria (see also “Islamofacism”). So what, in your and the denialists’ opinion, do the activists have to gain by lying about global warming?
Paul L.
I do not see any source code in your link.
i.e.
#include
int main(void)
{
printf(“catastrophic man-made global warming is real\n”);
return 0;
}
I can say above program follows the algorithms in the white papers in your link.
Formerly Wu
The papers in the bibliography discuss the methods by which NASA calculates global surface air temperature. By studying their methods and comparing them to the data collected and the analysis given, I am sure you can determine any discrepancies– as McIntyre surely did.
Of course, that’s a lot of work and requires actual expertise, and I understand if it seems a lot easier to just assume they’re hiding something and demand irrelevant evidence.
If I was your average overworked NASA drone, I know what I would say to some internet d00d who kept wasting my time and money bugging me for source code that wouldn’t prove anything anyway.
Jake
Ladies and Gentlemen behold: Jackalopi Anecephalus Monopodus.
Bravo, PaulEll. Bravo.
RSA
Try this: Goddard makes its modeling software available in the public domain. It may take several years for you to get it compiled and generating modeling runs on your PC, but let us know how that goes.
(This turns out to be standard practice, at least in the literature that I read [and write]. There’s hardly ever room or reason for source code in a paper; pseudocode isn’t uncommon, but descriptions of algorithms are what you see most, along with data.)
Bubblegum Tate
It gives aid and comfort to our mortal enemy, Mother Nature, as well. But then again, the fact that science corrected itself shows that it cannot be trusted with anything anywhere. Real weatherman base their forecasts on the Bible.
ThymeZone
Proponents? Do you imagine that there are people out there rooting for catastrophic global warming?
You think that the people warning about the thing are proponents?
RSA
Why not? They’re same people who, by warning that we’re losing (or have lost) the war in Iraq, are rooting for the U.S. to fail.
grumpy realist
Considering what shows up when NASA generates reports about computer algorithms, I don’t think you want to try to read them.
I worked on interpreting CCSDS protocols for NASDA. They basically pointed me at a shelf 20 feet long full of committee reports and asked me to go through all of it and boil down what was actually decided upon in one short paper. Gah. There was some stuff in there I was positive no one had read aside from the author, and even he didn’t know what he was writing. Totally illegible–and we’re not even counting the code.
And yeah, I can see Hansen brushing off a ranting letter he gets from some internet d00d–you wouldn’t believe how many cranks are out there convinced that They Can Disprove Einstein and it’s just a bloody waste of time to even start to talk to them. (My company had to deal with the Free Energy nuts, sigh….)
grumpy realist
Plus, am pretty certain that NASA has stashed the code somewhere on some FTP site available for downloading. Go through those listed references and I’m sure the stuff is somewhere in the back.
Considering the number of pages that would be generated by publishing such code, I can see why they didn’t just slap it up there. I guess Paul L. only writes short programs!
myiq2xu
I’m not a scientist or a math major, I went the social science route. Either side of the global-warming issue could confuse me with technical mumbo-jumbo and formulas I could never figure out.
So I evaluate the issue by asking two questions of each side:
1) What reason do they have to lie?
2) What if they’re wrong?
It would seem on it’s face that any scientist in the pay of an industry that will suffer financial losses if theories of global warming are correct has more motive to lie than scientists working for universities or for government agencies.
If theories of global warming are true then we should reduce greenhouse emissions and invest in developing alternate energy sources. But if those theories are wrong, how will we have hurt ourselves by doing the same things?
On the other hand, if the anti-global warming crowd is wrong, and we failed to take action, we will be in deep doo-doo.
One last thing that I find interesting is that many leaders of the religious right are taking an anti-global warming position. Since when is global warming a religious issue?
Zifnab
That’s why when our President writes code, he always leads off with “ON ERROR RESUME NEXT”.
*ducks and hides in shame for using Visual Basic*
Justin Slotman
Speaking of being dumb as a sack of (kraut) hammers…. (Hint: TNR is part of the antiwar left!)
Apologies if that’s been posted elsewhere already.
Zifnab
God promised he wouldn’t flood the earth twice. Egro, anyone who talks about melting icecaps is conspiring with Satan to deceive us as the end-times approach. If you find yourself hip deep in sewer water because of a massive hurricane or tsunami, fear not! It’s not really happening. God said so.
Dreggas
*Dreggas slaps Zifnab upside the head with a large Trout*
Punchy
Why doesn’t the liberal media report on all the globes that aren’t warming?
The Other Steve
Oh yeah baby!
She’s right you know. You fascists don’t seem to understand the ramifications of Americans asking for products to not poison our children! This stuff costs money. MONEY! Think about how this will hurt Wal-Mart.
John Cole
I don’t even have to click the link- I saw that live on Hardball. I am not sure if C&L caught the entire spot, but it ended with Matthews asking her to get closer to the camera and then gushing she was beautiful. It was really awkward and uncomfortable to watch. Almost surreal.
RSA
Fixed.
Formerly Wu
You already answered your own question:
Unless Paul can get back to me with a more plausible explanation for their zeal, that’s what I’m going with.
Hubris
I dunno, the Confederate Yankee just e-mailed an analyst at NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center, who confirmed that “the sun shines on every dog’s ass someday” is actually “just an expression” despite what some “experts” would have you believe, which pretty much resolves the whole climate change debate for me.
laneman
The anthropogenic warming fans want to destroy the american industry and the american way of life.
really, they do
really, really
Punchy
Because Jesus warms the earth, you stupid moonbat. His gas is our wind. Our rain is his urine. And tears. Hurricanes are made from Vomits Of Gastric Love Juice.
So, yeah, weather is religion based. If you think rain actually comes from clouds…well…you’re a friggin heathen. And abortionophile.
28 Percent
Haha it is not getting hotter see? And if it is so what it just means there will be more beach resorts and farmland and that is good. You do not like REAL AMERICANS like family farmers because you do not like families I guess? I do not know. But ask yourself if GOD is just letting it get hotter now to give you all a taste of what’s coming when you are LEFT BEHIND.
myiq2xu
I think it’s all Steely McBeam’s fault.
And I’m not an abortionophile. I can quit anytime I want to.
Badtux
The New Republic is part of the “Anti-War Left”? Dude, somebody’s been in their daddy’s wacky weed stash again! The New Republic was a big supporter of Dear Leader’s War On Pesky Brown People On Top Of Our Oil, well, until it became clear that Dear Leader didn’t know how to get Our Oil out from under those Pesky Brown People. TNR published many editorials in favor of invading Iraq, both for the goals of liberating the Iraqi people and for disarming Saddam (left unstated was the fact that it would also liberate Our Oil, I mean, some things are so obvious, like grass is green and the sky is blue, that they don’t need stating). The fact that they’re reporting that (gasp) BAD THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN IRAQ doesn’t make them part of the “Anti-War Left”. It makes them sentient human beings. Unlike, apparently, the remaining 27% of Americans who still support the War on Pesky Brown People Atop Our Oil.
– Badtux the Snarky Penguin
Dreggas
my understanding is it had something to do with her cleavage or something. I heard/read about this today. Tweety really, really needs to get his head checked.
Bruce Moomaw
The most interesting thing about the GW pratfall was the people associated with it: one Great Name right after another — Reynolds, Steyn, Taranto, Ass of Holes… It was like one of those issues of DC Comics in which the Flash takes on his entire Rogues Gallery at once.
And now Reynolds strikes twice in one day. Am I the only person around who feels excruciating pity for his law students?
The Other Andrew
“catastrophic man-made global warming” is the new “weapons of mass destruction program related activities.” When playing from behind, logically speaking, just keep adding qualifiers!
rawshark
Paul, is it your position that the right is against global warming because the science doesn’t support it?
Perry Como
Speaking a different language? Here’s another wingnut fucktard saying that America needs more terrorist attacks so we can all see how brilliant Dear Leader is:
We need the Islamfascocommienazis to attack America more or the Islamfascocommienazis will win!!1eleven (wtf?!)
jake
Yeah! Everyone knows the only way to prove that your system works is to have it fail horribly when you least expect it!
You know what this tells me? This tells me the only people who will work for the GOP are crack-heads.
As always, the spin, she is tres amusante
Uh…yeah. This is your brain. This is your brain on the GOP.
Completely OT: WHY the HELL is The Learning Channel hosting the Miss America pageant? [Insert Animal Planet joke here.]
tBone
So you don’t want more terrorist attacks on American soil? Why do you hate America, moonbat? Just move to Islamocommiestan where you belong.
UnkyT
Seems to me it doesn’t matter in the least to them weather (couldn’t resist) or not it is true or not, they have picked their side, and science sure as hell is not going to get in their way.
bago
They sure don’t seem to turn the other cheek in Jesusland.
bago
Also, if you want to port that to C#:
catch (Exception)
{
}
MobiusKlein
/* – wingnuts – please get your source code correct before you post it! And be sure to escape the html characters properly. */
/* corrections to follow */
#include <stdio.h>
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
puts("catastrophic man-made global warming is real");
return 0;
}
MobiusKlein
Damn, html escaping does not work properly here.
#include <stdio.h>
Jon H
Regarding NASA Code:
I should hope NASA doesn’t use entirely new code for every climate study they do. I’d imagine the code is largely the same across studies.
Far better to use a standard library of code, which I’m sure is available. If a given study implements everything itself, that’s a waste of taxpayer money (for one) and it provides a place for error and fraud to take place.
It would be highly suspicious if a particular paper required that its data be processed with its own implementations of algorithms widely used in the field. “Oh, our results depend on the anova function implementation in appendix b.” Especially if appendix b isn’t provided.
As for the data itself, it might be at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/, which has links to text files of station data, but you’d probably have to read the paper to be sure.
rreay
I understand it now. Comment 7 on Ace’s response to Volokh drove it home for me.
Wingnuts have used “some people think” and “some would say” as code for I believe for so long that they no longer see it as code.
Doug H.
Reading the comments at Tim Lambert’s blog, this sounds like the new denialist talking point.
Doug H.
Brilliant. Now they’re tying together the liberals with both the Jihad nutjobs along with the communists. I think in Illuminati, I could win the game with that combo.
I wonder just how rich I could get making a book titled ‘Protocols of the Elders of Roosevelt’.
JT
Doug H., you’re too late. I own a book printed in Germany in 1942 that’s all about how Roosevelt is a puppet of Freemasons and Jews. It’s in German, of course.
Marco
Heraldblog
Thousands of peer-reviewed studies published around the world point to man-made global warming. Deal with it. It doesn’t matter what Cooter thinks. Science is science.
Infinitstars
So let me get this straight from the right-wing thought police.
A)To know the facts on global warming and to fear it, is to WANT it to come.
B) To have known Bushs governor record and to know he was full of dog shit about everything he says is to want the US to be taken over by whatever enemy they declare is the enemy du jour? So with us or against us crap again right?
Does that cover it?
Maddy
In the vernacular, sack of hammers is incorrect, it should read; bag of hammers, notice the difference in how it rolls off your tongue..lose the sack and add the bag. Box of rocks is good too, has a nice flow.
Jeff Eaton
While it’s snarky, that misses some of the real cultural antagonism that Evangelicals tend to feel towards environmentalists.
While there are obviously lots of reasons people consider themselves global warming skeptics, the phenomenon in the church traces its way back to the gulf middle class Christians and the ‘hippie/new age’ connotations of the environmental movement in the US. This cultural gulf is not to be dismissed: think of the distance between an earnest bible college student, and a PETA activist who use ‘Gaia’ as a proper pronoun. The battle lines between the “New Age Movement” and “Christians” became entrenched in the 1980s, with issues like ‘population control’ being a code-word for ‘Chinese forced abortion’ in religious circles. Grappling with the malthusians on that one landed a lot of Christian front-men in the same camp as the Cato Institute folks and other conservative debunkers.
By the time Global Warming became a hot topic, the “our side, their side” divisions were deeply entrenched. To this day, lots of segue-free jabs can be heard coming from the religious right about “earth-worshipers” and so on. A swing back towards earlier concepts of ‘Environmental stewardship’ is only just beginning to gain traction inside the subculture, and it’s still regarded with a great deal of suspicion.
r4d20
The fact that they’re reporting that (gasp) BAD THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN IRAQ doesn’t make them part of the “Anti-War Left”
Apparently it does – at least in their language.
Veri
LOL. Funniest site I’ve been on all week. Query: What is the effect of human exhalation on global warming considering that CO2 production liberates heat?
Damn, and the right wants to dispose of abortion. More unwanted children = Global Warming? I might support banning abortion it only if the Christians would register for a special tax to support unwanted kids.
Excuse me while I go pay the IRS carbon tax on my breathing please. I don’t have the money to buy a life-time carbon offset.
Ricky Bones
I just don’t get the schizophrenic style of attempting to illustrate a point. It seems it would be better to have everything in one place to get the point, not a bunch of links to all around. Some don’t have time to look at several different links to get this version of the full story.
But, from what I read, it appears as if the knuckle-draggers in the Conservative ranks have to dis anything that is labeled Muslim.
grumpy realist
Hmm, probably that’s why they’re so much against math and science. After all, it uses Al-gebra…..
Surprised they haven’t all moved down to that city in Alabama that is just about to vote itself dry.
….avoiding the evil Al-cohol…..
HunterBlackLuna
Looks like Veri’s the newest troll. He’s using a strawman style of bitchy snark-argument that only trolling neo-cons can quite get perfectly down…
Btw, best thread you guys have ever done. Some of the posts had me on the floor.
Veri
Re: Troll
Actually, not a troll. And I mean it by the this being the funniest thread I have seen in a while on The World Wide Web.
Point of fact is, I cannot be a Neo-con. I support abortion. The Christian Right would never support a tax on themselves to care for the needs of unwanted children. Hence, abortion will remain for awhile. This is a necessary evil. Also, I support women’s reproductive rights.
Which sashays into the effects of human carbon production by the very fact that everyone breathes. Consider cow flatulation. Methane is produced, a green house gas. Are their studies on the effects of almost seven billion people producing carbon dioxide? Global warming is real. I visited Moldova in April. One week later, the summer season had arrived and two months early.
Now, for The Left. Political leanings are like a pendulum. For awhile, The Left controlled The Agenda in America. Then they shot themselves in the foot. Remember the push to teach Ebonics in schools in the 1990s? Too far to The Left. Reach 2007 and The Right has shown just shown their self-destructive behaviour in full glory.
Fact is that both parties, and I thoroughly believe this, are the same party at the top. The Democrats and The Republicans have an agenda. They are like to brothers fighting. Meanwhile, everyone in the center caught in the crossfire. Give it a few years, the far-left liberal wing will be destroying itself to. And then The Republicans will raise their wicked head, again.
Hence the carbon-tax on breathing. I must admit, I should have gone into more detail. That, and after more than thirty years of watching Congress lie about fixing the tax system, history says… both “parties” have a vested interest in keeping it just the way it is. Ever consider that the increase in minimum wage is necessary to provide for more Federal tax revenues? Damn.