Everyones favorite religious right nut speaks up in WingNut Daily:
The jig is up. Rudy Giuliani finally admitted in a speech at Houston Baptist University last week that he is an unapologetic supporter of abortion on demand. That revelation came as no great shock to those of us in the pro-life movement. His public pronouncements as mayor of New York, together with his more recent tap dances on the campaign trail, have told a very clear story.
How could Giuliani say with a straight face that he “hates” abortion,” while also seeking public funding for it? How can he hate abortion and contribute to Planned Parenthood in 1993, 1994, 1998 and 1999? And how was he able for many years to defend the horrible procedure by which the brains are sucked from the heads of a viable, late-term, un-anesthetized babies? Those beliefs are philosophically and morally incompatible. What kind of man would even try to reconcile them?
***My conclusion from this closer look at the current GOP front-runner comes down to this: Speaking as a private citizen and not on behalf of any organization or party, I cannot, and will not, vote for Rudy Giuliani in 2008. It is an irrevocable decision. If given a Hobson’s – Dobson’s? – choice between him and Sens. Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama, I will either cast my ballot for an also-ran – or if worse comes to worst – not vote in a presidential election for the first time in my adult life. My conscience and my moral convictions will allow me to do nothing else.
I would just be happy if the religious creeps like Dobson couldn’t vote in the primary. Then we might actually be able to nominate a Republican candidate who wouldn’t appear like a fanatic to 60% of the country. We wouldn’t have to suffer through numerous debates in which important issues are pushed aside while the candidates work themselves into a lather proving they hate abortion the most, and might discuss important policy issues that face the nation.
BTW- With Falwell dead, does this make Dobson the biggest bloviator by default?
The Other Steve
No, Robertson still lives.
I heard Giuliani on the radio today explaining his stance. It’s amazing how similar it is to that of all the pro-choice Democrats I know.
Zifnab
He’s in a dead heat with Pat “Gays Cause Hurricanes” Robertson. But, if nothing else, the milkshake man has more TV coverage, so I’m going to have to give it to Robertson.
ThymeZone
We? You are actually lining up to be a part of the Republican party landscape after all that’s happened in the last six years?
Or was that just a conversational “we” that doesn’t really mean anything?
Not that it’s any of my business, just wondering where you are at with this.
John Cole
I am still a registered Republican (not sure why, really, other than the fact that I am not a Democrat), but that was a royal we.
Tim F.
In case nobody has mentioned Pat Robertson yet…
ThymeZone
Ah. Just doing a reality check. I’m a loyal Dem of course, but I find at least a couple of our candidates I really do not want to vote for (cough Hillary).
On the GOP side, I don’t know if I can find anyone I could vote for. Maybe Thompson? He’s not the strongest battery in the flashlight, but at least he isn’t crazy. By that I mean, he doesn’t either think the earth is 6000 years old, or that it’s okay to pander to people who do think so. Does he? Of course he keeps inserting his foot deeper and deeper into his esophagus over that gay-employee gaffe.
In the primary, I will probably vote for Obama, the senator from Pakistan.
Dreggas
fixed.
RSA
This stereotype of Republican candidates is completely unfair. They can also work themselves into a lather proving who hates gays the most and who loves guns the most. Or who hates taxes the most and who loves Jesus the most. They are multidimensional candidates (in the sense that they exist in a different dimension from the rest of us).
Jackmormon
Mind you, Rudy is still a complete loon. Don’t let the fact that Dobson hates him distract you from that.
Tom Hilton
Also, who wants to torture the most. Don’t forget that one.
Daniel DiRito
James Dobson and the handful of those who lead the far right may give many voters reason to dislike them…but one should never underestimate the degree to which they have discerned the essence of our human frailties. Notwithstanding, this knowledge comes with some inherent limitations. The choices they have at their disposal which allow them to maintain their hold over those who follow are necessarily restricted by the very human frailties they have identified.
I view Dobson’s words to be an anticipatory shot across the bow at the politicians who could damage the standing of the far right…but more importantly I view his words as an acknowledgment that 2006 put his power over those he leads at risk. If my hypothesis is correct, those aligned with Dobson will counter intuitively draw a much clearer line in the sand with regard to the 2008 election. Losing the election is secondary to losing the hold they have on their followers.
Conceding doctrine in order to win an election is far worse than losing an election. As long as the adherence to doctrine is maintained, rightness can be affirmed. If rightness can be affirmed through leadership’s unwavering and willful demonstration of faith, (even in the presence of predictable defeat) then that faith can be extrapolated to and embraced by the flock. That negates the risks associated with the possible negative attributions that may result from the previously identified human frailties and that might befall the individual followers should they perceive that their cause is lost (and their beliefs invalidated).
Therefore it is essential that the enemy remains clearly identified as well as the need to persevere. In order to achieve the promised victory, the wrongness of the opposition must be magnified in order to allow momentum to intervene and sustain the faith of the followers. Victory will have been postponed but never conceded. That leaves the identified and established fundamental beliefs and their absolute premise intact and available to employ in the maintenance of unquestioned and unchallenged power.
In the end, leadership reassures the flock that victory remains the goal and that it remains attainable…but only through blind adherence to the doctrinal interpretations of the leadership because they are the individuals who have exhibited sufficient will and faith to sustain the flock. The end goal has been delayed but the ending remains unchanged. The movement lives on and the benefactors live well in the here and now. Everyone else is asked to be patient, to contribute to the cause, and to anxiously await the rewards of the afterlife.
Read full article here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
Bubblegum Tate
POTD!
Ted
If you quantify a religious nut “bloviator” by the size of the audience they reach regularly with their bloviations, Dobson is still a behemoth compared to Robertson.
Dave
Yeah, but I’m having a helluva time watching the GOP implode. The “debates” have been hysterical!
Zombie Santa Claus
I just hope they bring up heliocentrism. Holy shit, if one of the candidates came out against heliocentrism I think 95% of America would simultaneously piss their pants laughing.
Zombie Santa Claus
This would be a fun debate question, too.
Aaron
John Cole,
Maybe its time for you to admit what the republican party really stands for: pure hate. Hatred of brown people. hatred of black people. hatred of anyone who looks different. hatred of gays. hatred of athiests. and when none of those are available hatred of liberals. Oh, and of course hatred of anyone who criticizes anything republican.
They dont care about national security (cough 9/11). They dont care about smaller government. They dont care about effective government (cough Fema). They dont care about family values (serial adulterizing freak show of a debate). They dont care about the rule of law (gonzales).
They care about power and the money that it brings. And thats your party John. May they rot in hell.
Dave
Speaking of questions what was up with Britt Hume and that 24 plot of a question he ask. I about peed myself laughing so hard. Brit used to be a respectable journalist back in his ABC days. It’s sad to see the KoolAid has done some severe damage to his brain.
numbskull
John, John, John. Really. Read some history. What do you think the Republican party is all about since, oh, 1869?
We’re here, baby! We.Have.Arrived. (Well, right up to the midterms, anyway).
CORPORATISM.
Always has been, always will be. None of this is an aberration.
IT’S THE GOAL, BABY! IT’S THE GOAL!
Misty
Yes. Tinky to the rescue!
Tinky Winky Focus Of Falwell Inquiry
http://www.crystalair.com/content.php?id=60200705013
jake
Fixed.
When “pro-lifers” talk about abortion it sets off my Perv-Alert. I know they don’t give a shit about the poor little babies post-partum, so I can only conclude their fascination with abortion stems from the fact it allows them to think about women’s reproductive organs. Unhealthy.
Tsulagi
Since the Reign of the Little Bush began I’ve always thought Dobson the biggest bloviator. Or at least the most effective one. He may not say JEEZUSS as loud or as often as Leaky Dick (check his Korean War records) Robertson, but he’s the one most determined to Schiavo your life.
Let’s see, there’s been just two debates and we’ve already learned 30% of the best of the best the Pubs have to offer think evolution is a farce. No doubt a trick perpetrated by godless, commie Dems. Also got to see who could out-hate abortion more than the other guy, except for Rudy in the first debate who squirmed it would be an OK day if Roe was stricken.
Dobson has been in these debates. He’s the one almost all are sucking up to looking for his approval. At least Rudy has been trying to wean himself from the Dobson tit.
Rome Again
Well, there’s always that thing called an Independent? Why not? I did. I’m bound and determined to stay Independent until I see some real sanctions come down from that hill on high.
They really don’t care about you John. They don’t want you in their party, so why do you insist on keeping that “R” next to your name?
Rome Again
Off topic, but I’ve been so busy at work lately, I’ve been completely in the dark about certain goings on. Last night I heard something about Cheney soliciting prostitutes on MSNBC. Any truth to that? Anyone heard anything on this? I believe I heard it on Olbermann and they only mentioned it in passing.
The Other Steve
Daniel DiRito is right… Dobson would rather lose an election, than lose his power.
I expect Dobson will call on his flock to vote for Nader(figuratively speaking) in ’08, just to make it clear to the Republicans that they need him.
ThymeZone
I think this might be what you are looking for, Rome.
Rome Again
Ah, thanks TZ, I did tell you I stayed up to watch the monologue last night… Hmmm, wonder why I thought I saw it on Olbermann?
ThymeZone
Letterman is the one with the orchestra :)
RSA
I wonder how many Republicans are pissed off enough to stay Republican so that they can vote in the primaries? Not that it would help much, but of course if everybody did this. . .
Houdini's Ghost
I don’t blame Dobson and his minions for the fact that the Republican party will nominate someone who appears like a fanatic to 60% of the country. The problem is that all of the Republican candidates are actually fanatics. It’s not just religious right favorites like Brownback who are nuts. Mitt “Double Gitmo” Romney and Rudy “I’m Fucking Crazy” Giuliani have the least support amongst idiots like Dobson, but they’re not any more sane than the rest. Ditto Ron Paul.
Also, it’s only like the eighteenth or nineteenth stupidest part of Daddy Dobson’s little rant, but he clearly doesn’t know what a Hobson’s choice is. Hobson’s choice is between what is on offer and nothing. If Giuliani, Hillary, and an unnamed also-ran are the options, that’s not a Hobson’s choice. That’s a regular choice. Moron.
Rome Again
How is that important with a lineup of jokers that makes this look like a fucking backyard carnival?
CaseyL
What strikes me about the twisted jokes that are the GOP Presidential Candidates is their utter contempt for the voters they’re courting.
Look: Giuliani and Romney did manage to govern NYC and Massachusetts without those jurisdictions falling entirely apart at the seams. There’s a lot to dislike about things they did while they were in office, but their terms weren’t complete disasters – which means that they do know how to deal with the real world and the people in it.
Yet they’re presenting themselves to voters as practically pre-Copernican in their ignorance, their dumb ideas and dumber slogans, and their approval for all that is dimwitted and brutish. That’s probably what they have to say in order to get support in the primaries, but don’t they know that whatever numbskulled idiocies they utter now will follow them into the general election? Do they not realize that most of America is sick of that shit and is just waiting for another chance to repudiate it at the polls?
I’m really baffled.
Do they really think their rhetoric will get them elected in November 2008?
Or, even if you assume that they’re assuming that whoever gets the GOP nomination in 2008 is politically DOA, don’t they realize they’re effectively ending their political careers by doing this Dance of the Dumb?
bernarda
To give you an idea of how far the Rethuglican Party has gone of the extreme rightwing deep end, take a look at this part of the biography of Dumbya’s grandfather, Prescott Bush.
“Bush was a typical New England Republican of his time; as a former banker, he was a pro-business conservative, but held many positions today considered socially moderate. Conservatives distrusted and at times openly opposed him.
Bush was involved with the American Birth Control League as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947. Bush was also an early supporter of the United Negro College Fund, serving as chairman of the Connecticut branch in 1951.”
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=Prescott+bush&gwp=13
And this is a guy who was a nazi collaborator before the war. That is a double-edged sword if wingnuts want to try to exploit it. More on Prescott,
“Bush’s ties with Planned Parenthood also hurt him in heavily Catholic Connecticut, and were the basis of a last-minute campaign in churches by Bush’s opponents; the family vigorously denied the connection, but Bush lost to Benton by only 1,000 votes.”
Punchy
You guys missed out on some funny news today–
Fred Friggin’ Phelps–yes, that clown–is going to picket…wait for it….Falwell’s funeral. I kid you not. Claims he’s a “false prophet”.
Too damn funny. What else is funny? When I tried to click the Westboro Church link (Phelp’s “church”) here at work, the firewall came up saying “Forbidden, Hate Speech”. True dat.
betamu
Mr. Dobson asks “How could Giuliani say with a straight face that he “hates” abortion,” while also seeking public funding for it?” Indeed..how could someone personally oppose something but still be mature enough to uphold the law? Sounds impossible! So what does that say about all of the talk from religious conservatives about “loving the sinner but hating the sin”? Are they not mature enough to separate the two? Something tells me I was right all along about this. The cynic is always right!
mrmobi
Me too. That’s what I love about you, TZ, you are so well informed. How many people know that Osam… Obama is from Pakistan? This is what I love about this blog. We’ve got well informed commenters, and zombies too. What’s not to like?
Dreggas
Heh same here, one of the few times I appreciate web sense.
mrmobi
Exactly right, I think. Idealogues of Dobson’s stripe probably won’t equivocate about Guiliani, but I wonder whether Mitt will get an approving nod. Either way, Dobson becoming the pre-eminent wacko on the extreme right is a good thing for Democrats. I’d like to see as many of these evolution-denying lunatics remaining in the “debates” as is possible.
So far, so good, but I’d really like to see Newt enter the race.
2008 could turn out to be the year that makes the religious right irrelevant. If you substitute a few dozen virgins for the “rewards,” these hateful hypocrites are pretty much like any garden-variety terrorist. The main difference is that when they kill abortion doctors, they don’t sacrifice their own lives.
Dreggas
it always comes down to villifying the person, because the act is just an act until someone commits it in this case. So while it one should probably not like the act, even villify it, it wouldn’t gain much traction or weight without a face put to the act. It’s just like smoking, yeah it’s a bad habit, an addiction, but while people may hate the act they turn instead on the person committing the act and it becomes a villification of a person, not just the act.
Zombie Santa Claus
During the school year, that annoying Darrell spoof keeps coming around.
Rome Again
Yeah, that timing does seem suspect, doesn’t it?
Zombie Santa Claus
I’m convinced it’s a class project for John. Otherwise, why don’t we hear from any of his present/former students? You’d think at least one of them would pop in and say Hi, unless they were worried about upsetting the project.
As I pointed out yesterday, Darrell once told me we could trick China into attacking Taiwan, and use that as an excuse to avoid paying them trillions of dollars in debt. This person is supposed to be a real human being, capable of cognition and of typing into a computer without electrocuting himself. I. Think. Not.
Rome Again
Are you sure that he’s human? I was under the impression he was cut from the same cloth as one of the enemy in “They Live!”
ThymeZone
Can you send me a picture?
Tony J
Didn’t Project: D.A.R.R.E.L.L. go suspiciously A.W.O.L. just as John’s students were concentrating on their finals?
That just about settled the matter for me.
Dreggas
I do believe somewhere Darrell let slip that “he” was a student in some university, I believe he even said VA. Might even be a member of the illustrious *gag* liberty U.
Tony J
Could even Gopwarts School of Bullshit and Spinnery produce a troll so resolutely, utterly and absolutely determined to annoy thinking folks?
And I mean without breeding brother to sister for generations to isolate the necessary qualities. Though, thinking about it… mmmnnnnn.
Zombie Santa Claus
Damn. Now I have to figure out what D.A.R.R.E.L.L. stands for. Fucking acronyms!
Zombie Santa Claus
Data
Analyzing,
Rejecting
Robot
Ersatz
Lie
Leveller
Or something like that, maybe.
Tony J
Anything that keeps the fire of life burning in the chest of your rotting corpse for a day longer, man. Rotting eyeballs or no rotting eyeballs.
So how about;
Defence Against Republicans Recieving Evil Liberal Lies
“Protecting the Faith from the Truth so you don’t have to”
Tax Analyst
“They Live!” !!! My FAVORITE movie about the Republican Party…except now you don’t even need those sunglasses anymore…
Zombie Santa Claus
My body is off running around unattended somewhere in Saskatchewan or wherever. My head’s in a jar of formaldehyde, and I’m typing this by some kind of wire-mechanical electronic gizmo system. Fucking scientists have it all rigged up, I don’t know all the details. But I do know that I really miss mojitos, and I wish they’d preserve me in some o’ them fuckers.
Yours is better than mine. Then again, you still have your brains, you lucky bastard.
Zombie Santa Claus
That movie is awesome. Talk about a fucking cult classic. Of course, pretty much every John Carpenter movie falls under that heading.
Tax Analyst
I wanna play too, guys…
Disingenuous Ass-hat Relentlessly Regurgitating Egregiously Libelous Lame Lies
OK, so there’s 3 “L’s” there…I think it fits because then you can drawl out “DHAIR-RUH-ULLLL” and sort of drool as you are doing it…
RSA
Keith David + John Carpenter = an awesome movie.
Zombie Santa Claus
Works for me. That’s probably how his caretakers say it anyway.
Zombie Santa Claus
“The Thing” is the best of all.
Dreggas
Monica Goodling…nuff said.
Tax Analyst
Agreed…in fact I almost made the exact same post, but I got distracted by this pesky thing at work called, “work”, so I had to step away.
Tara the anti-social social worker
Speaking of zombies, when Fred Phelps dies, do you think his moldering corpse will picket his own funeral? And what will the signs say?
Tara the anti-social social worker
Speaking of zombies, when Fred Phelps dies, do you think his moldering corpse will picket his own funeral? And what will the signs say?
Dreggas
The signs will read:
HOW DARE I DIE BEFORE ALL THE HOMOS ARE DEAD!!!
Tax Analyst
Actually, I believe Phelps is slated to come back as a Homo-Sexual Zombie…that’s gonna ’cause a lot more disorientation than the usual “zombification” process does. With that massive set of contradictory beliefs and urges going on in his worm worn and maggot-packed zombie-mind and moldering, rotting body it’s about even money Phelps will be lurching madly around the gravesite and alternatively trying to fuck himself (partly from his new orientation and partly from his mind retaining some of suggestions people made to him during his graveyard pickets performances) and then cursing and damning himself for not resisting those urges.
For further details, though, you should probably check with Zombie Santa Claus – I’m a little out of my depth here and I could be wrong.
Zombie Santa Claus
Fred Phelps was already gay. Becoming a zombie might bring him out of the closet, but rest assured that he was already in there a long time ago. (I know all about who’s been naughty and nice, let’s leave it at that.)
As for his sign, it’ll probably tell the homosexuals how God spared his moldering carcass to crack their skulls and crunch their brains. He’ll wander around rural Kansas looking for gay teenagers until someone puts a round in his skull. Not sure who’s going to hold up a sign when his zombie corpse is tossed on the pyre in the cornfield, though.
Dave_Violence
Maybe laws should be passed preventing people with certain religious views from voting, no?
jake
This made me laugh a little too hard. I think Phred may have passed on a while ago. He has the too bright eyes and rigid smile of your average undead brain muncher.