Wow. You don’t often see a Democratic presidential candidate booed on the Daily Show. Beyond today’s flub mister foreign policy experience’s big idea appears to be to partition Iraq and then leave. Great idea. Who gets Baghdad? Kirkuk? Then there’s the minor problem of the Turkish and Iranian armies racing to occupy Kurdistan. I would rate the president’s surge plan as slightly less demented, and my readers should know that I don’t say that lightly.
If Biden somehow, improbably, hangs on until the non-competitive PA primary I will relish voting against him.
***Update***
Obama. Ouch.
Mike
Joe (MBNA-Delaware) is going nowhere and he seems to be the only one who doesn’t know it already, even before he announced. This is about vanity and little more. Lots of Dems like me would have opposed him strictly because of the bankruptcy bill, even without the slur from today. And it was a slur and we all know it.
The Other Steve
Well Biden does come from a Slave-State after all.
The Other Steve
But you know, I was thinking. There’s a lot of people who don’t seem to like Obama because he lacks experience.
Well thus far, Joe Biden is the most experienced candidate I’ve seen announce.
So I’m assuming they’re all going for Biden. Which makes his chances pretty good.
Mike
I don’t think it was a slur strictly because Obama is black, but more because he is a rival who is more likely to go further than Joe ever would. But it certainly came out sounding badly and opened him up to lots of criticism because it had that passive sort of racism sound to it that a lot of people do feel even when they would never admit it, even to themselves.
rachel
Joe Biden: so silly.
Steve
That makes sense, TOS. For example, if you rule out Candidate X for being too old, you’d naturally go with the youngest candidate instead.
CaseyL
For someone with “experience,” Biden strikes me as not very bright. To put it politely.
Mike
Iraq is getting partitioned as we speak. Look up the internal displacement by ethnic groups, Im sure youll see the lines being drawn as we speak. How much influence do you think Maliki has in Kurdistan? Baghdad? A disfunctional mess.
Honestly, what do you expect to happen in Iraq? A unified government? Yeah, a few too many dead bodies with holes drilled into their heads for that.
Biden isnt advocating something crazy, what hes arguing is going to be the reality, unless youd rather see a bloody civil war as lots of ethnic cleansing.
scs
Hey as much as everyone derides Bush’s communication skills, he has been pretty much the only pol I can think of in recent history who has never made a major gaffe. Once again, he’s misunderestimated.
srv
You really have some low expectations.
“Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods.”
Richard 23
Biden is an idiot and an asshole for saying what he did about Obama and Dunkin Donuts “Indians.” What does that make your buddy Bush who started a war based on lies? (HINT: Ir*q)
Richard 23
Sorry, scs. My irony meter is broken. You are absolutely right. Heh heh.
rachel
I dunno… This strikes me as a fairly major gaffe.
Perry Como
Bill Richardson.
lard lad
I’m very impressed by Obama’s reply to Biden’s gaffe… cool, calm and measured, chiding rather than insulting. He may not be as experienced as most of the other candidates, but the guy has gravitas to burn.
Otto Man
We all knew the campaign of Sen. Joe Biden (D-Hair Club for Men) would implode sooner or later, but I thought it would take at least a full day.
Nice work, Joe. Take a seat on the sidelines.
jake
Looks like Chris Rock needs to update his “He’s so articulate” bit.
What a cretin, even if he was trying to woo voters like this.
The Other Steve
There are whole sites devoted to Bushisms. You do realize this, right?
Darrell
Hilarious how libs like Steve were so vocally critical of Cal Ripken Jr. because the media “sucks his cock because he’s white”, yet these same libs are fawning over Obama, not because he has much qualifications to speak of, but because he’s black. And of course, they see no hypocrisy with these double standards.
And I love how libs are going apeshit over Biden calling Obama “articulate”, an unambiguous compliment everywhere but in the racially-obsessed bizarro world of leftist PC. Hello leftards! Obama really is very articulate. And so is John Edwards!
Newport 9
Speaking as someone who voted for Joe three times, I think that he ought to consider ending his presidential run real soon.
Krista
It wasn’t that. It was the context. (Remember that word, Darrell?) Biden claimed of Obama, ‘”you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy … I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” ‘ It wasn’t that Biden was insulting to Obama, so much. It was more that he was insulting and dismissive of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Carol Moselely-Braum, etc. If Obama is the first one who is articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking, then what is Biden saying about those others?
Bill R
DARRELL: I must have missed something in your quotes, the part that says “For a white Anglo-Saxan Candidate…”
Darrell
jake, I know you’re dumb as dirt, but you do realize that is a spoof site you linked to, right? And one of my all time favs too
jake: “Racist cretins!”
Darrell
Krista, who the hell is saying Obama is the “first” black guy to be called articulate, bright and/or clean-cut looking? Who else, besides you and the voices in your head, are saying such things?
Punchy
Biden, Timmy? A whole post on Biden????
YAWN…….
Andrew
Darrell is very articulate for a retarded child.
Darrell
I’m sorry Bill, can you direct us to where Biden said that Obama was articulate or bright, “for a black man”? Can you show us where Biden said that?
And if you can’t provide a citation, will you come back and admit that simply made it up? Will you admit that you lied?
Punchy
Obama learned his articulateness while being schooled as a radical extreme Muslim America-phobe in a Muslim madrassa in Muslimville, United ARAB Emerites (the country even takes the name of one of the airliners they downed on 9-11!).
Therefore, he’s not really articulate, and I call Biden a liar and a womanizer and other stuff.
Bill R
Duh Darrell: Biden’s quote is “.. first African-American Canidate .”
Darrell
Just wait till they drudge up Biden’s quote about how convenience stores are filled with Pakis and people from India working there. These comments Biden made about Obama are nothing.. the convenience-stores-in-my-state-are-run-by-Pakis comment Biden made, now that has some meat for all you libs who have the long knives out for Biden.
Andrew
In other news, Darrell-ite Bush followers shit selves in fear of blinking lite brites.
“Dry run!”
Krista
Direct quote from Biden — ”you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy … I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
Of course we all know that Biden was speaking about Obama in the context of people running for President. That’s why I said he was insulting Sharpton, Moseley-Braum, and Jackson. That’s why I didn’t say that Biden was insulting all African-Americans.
I’ll reiterate: If, according to Biden, Obama is the first black presidential candidate who is articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking, then what is Biden saying about those others?
Now, can you respond to that without immediately resorting to ad hominems this time?
Tim F.
What a stupid thing to say. Care to support that? Instead of doing your usual categorical denunciation of the group lib why don’t you say specifically which “libs” you had in mind. Me? Someone we know? I’m sure that you wouldn’t pull a comment like that completely out of your ass.
The Other Steve
I don’t recall fawning over Obama because he’s black. I thought it was because I rather liked his vision, and his way of articulating it.
Is that what you do Darrell? Do you fawn over people because of their color?
Isn’t that racist?
Darrell
It depends on context, but I’ll grant you that is a fair interpretation. On second reading, it sounds worse than I originally thought.
The Other Steve
Apparently Darrell didn’t read the thread. Let’s see, I was the first to mention Biden’s quote about Delaware being a slave state, and richard 23 about Dunkin Donuts Indians.
This was yesterday afternoon.
Now today Darrell comes in here thinking he’s going to insult us with these revelations.
Wow, I think we’ve hit a new low in stupidity. Still it’s fun watching Darrell defend Joe Biden.
Darrell
Are you seriously disputing that Obama is widely looked upon as the next Dem “messiah” among many/most leftists?
Punchy
Uh…Darrell? Biden said this:
Where in any of this do you see “Paki”? PLEASE tell me you’re smart enough to know there’s a WORLD of diff between Pakistanis and Indians…
Of course, maybe Biden was referring to a group of Navajos slingin’ bearclaws at his local D’n’D, or hoping that Travis Hafner starts pouring unleaded Morning Juice at the local QT…
Props to anyone who understands that last ref…
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
All Biden was saying was that the Democrats finally have a candidate who’s just black enough to play race politics without being so black that he’s a jive-talking, drug-dealing, ugly fringe player, like the fully-black Democrat pols of the past. So it was a compliment.
Oh, yeah, he’s done, all right.
Darrell
Apologies, and full retraction of the “voices” in your head crack. On my first reading, I missed it. It was indeed an insult to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, but I think they are both charlatans who deserve to be insulted.
Face
Holy Effin’ Christ…something Darrell and I agree on. I sense the Apocolypse coming on….now.
Darrell
A “world” of difference halfwit? I take it you are too stupid to know that Pakistan used to be a part of India until they had a war and split the countries on relgion (muslim/Hindu). The people, accents, and most of the culture is very, very similar between the two countries.. But to you leftards, a “world” apart.
I used to work with a guy who was Pakistani, but had an India passport because when he was born, there was no Pakistan. The food, the language (most part) and even chilhood songs are the same between the two countries.
Anyway, I was just going on memory about Biden’s convenience store comment.
Krista
Thank you. Apology accepted.
Pb
Krista,
That any of those others were one or more of these:
* not mainstream
* inarticulate
* not clean (or not “fresh“?)
* not nice-looking
Anyhow, Biden would have done better if he had only given them this quote:
Face
Suddenly the Resident Expert on all things Brown, eh? No shit they were the same country. No shit they have similar background. Why don’t you try calling a Pakistani an “Indian”, or worse, call an Indian a “Pakistani”? Duck the punches if you can. There’s a huge diff between them in terms of respect, attitudes, and territory claims.
So take you self-righteous, wiki-read “knowledge” and go impress the 8 year old down the street.
Darrell
I guess you missed the part (that I blockquoted above my response) that I was responding to someone who was chastising me because according to him, there is a “WORLD” of difference between India and Pakistanis
Krista
Don’t you hate it when your presidential candidate has that “not-so-fresh” feeling?
Darrell
What I wrote
Where in wikipedia would I have read that, particularly regarding the same childhood songs? Of course, you’ve now been shown to be an asshole.. but we knew that already.
Zifnab
God damn uppity black people. If you don’t mind, I’m going to go into my closet so I can masturbate to Hot Tub Tom DeLay and Newt “Pinkest Asshole In America” Gingrich. Because black politicians can’t be trusted.
Also, it’s comforting to know that the Darrells’ seething hatred of Barak Obama stems not from any of Obama’s political platforms – the war, taxes, health care, lobbying reform – but because Obama is a black man running for President. I wonder if this seething hatred would extend to a black man of Republican-American heritage or whether they really are a pack of back country red-necks?
tBone
Read the whole sequence above, Darrell. Do you think Tim was disputing that a lot of liberals are fawning over Obama? Or is there something else in your original statement he might object to?
That poor sickly little jackalope isn’t going to get far, my friend. Try harder.
Darrell
Flaunting your ignorance, pretending you have a clue. If you actually knew people born in Pakistan and India living here, rather than talking out your ass, you would know that generally speaking they take no more offense at such mistake, than a German American being called a “Norwegian”.
But since you’re a clueless leftard, you aggressively lecture us about something you know nothing about. typical
tBone
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Darrell
What I find interesting is that zifnab no doubt considers himself to be normal. He doesn’t see himself as a freak.
tBone
I’m German-American, and any jackass that mistakes me for a fjord-licking Norwegian is going to be spitting bloody chiclets, pal.
Zifnab
All that matters is that Jesus loves me, and this I know, because the Bible tells me so.
Jonathan
Err. Darrell, that would be ignorance, not stupidity.
Stupidity is inability to process data.
Ignorance is lacking data.
/nitpick
Zifnab
I know I’ve seen people from Taiwan spit venom after being refered to as “Chinese”. And people from Hondoras and El Salvador lose it over being called “Mexicans”. I’ve had more than on Pakistani stare daggers at me for refering to them as “Indians”. The Bangeladeshi are equally sensative.
I did the taxes of a transvestite yesterday, and let me tell you, when the screen prompted me for “Mr./Mrs.”, that was an ackward situation.
The trick is to use something called ‘tact’, also refered to as ‘diplomacy’. Sometimes simply called ‘not being a complete asshole’.
Darrell
About Norway
Krista
Or when Canadians are mistaken as Americans, or New Zealanders are mistaken as Australian, particularly if, after being corrected, the speaker says, “Well, it’s pretty much the same thing anyway, isn’t it?”
The more frequent the mistake, the crankier people get about it. It’s human nature.
Jonathan
Yeah, but was it bass ackward? ;-)
Krista
So calling you tBjorn is out of the question, then?
orogeny
I dislike Joe Biden and would never consider voting for him, but I am really sick of the “gotcha” mentality that has taken over both sides of the blogosphere. Listen to Biden’s actual words.
Not only is there a pause between “African-American” and “who”, there is actually a “Yeah” from the interviewer in between them. He fumbles over the word “mainstream”, apparently looking for a way to describe Obama’s across-the-s[ectrum appeal. Biden is a jerk who is in the pocket of the credit card industry, but saying that he’s a racist because of an outright distortion of a statement he made is nothing but a cheap shot.
ThymeZone
Bush? Gaffe? Entire websites are devoted to them.
Number one, by far, and in the words of Lewis Black:
If there was any doubt that John Cole writes scs as a troll character to spice up his blog, I think that doubt is now put to rest.
Tim F.
Darrell, I think that I’ve given you enough slack lately to merit your A game. Try again.
ThymeZone
Okay, I just spewed scrambled egg fifteen feet here.
ThymeZone
Sure. Clinton outpolls him easily these days. He has some serious problems as a candidate, once the charisma factor wears off.
You know nothing about “most leftist.” Not that you know anything about something else either, of course.
Or maybe you do, and you’ve just been hiding it all this time?
tBone
You’re very pleased with yourself right now, aren’t you? You’ll be sorry when my Teutonic rage is unleashed on the fjord-harboring countries of the world.
Face
You’re so fu*king wrong about this, it hurts. Please, please, don’t talk about the Pakistani/Indian rift unless you know what the hell you’re talking about. Trust me, just shut up.
Darrell
Thanks for the link, but you added an extra http to the link when you posted. Anyway, you make a good point. Biden clearly inferred that Obama was the first ‘mainstream’ black Presidential candidate, but the pause, fumbling words, and the addition of “who is” makes it crystal clear he was not saying Obama is the first black presidential candidate who is articulate and/or bright.
Darrell
Cut the guessing-game coy crap and ask questions forthrightly, and I’ll answer.
orogeny
Sorry about that…my first embedded link. Hope this works better:
Link
Krista
Fjorgive me, but I am.
ThymeZone
When did this new rule go into effect?
You are about 1000 forthright questions behind here, Darrell. Any wonder why you get no respect here?
You only pull out the Earnest Card when it suits your purposes.
Tim F.
I responded to a post in which you claimed that “libs” only like Obama because he’s black and you act like I was questioning whether “libs” like Obama. I hate to say it Darrell, but that’s pretty retarded.
tBone
Back on-topic – Tim, are you opposed to the partition idea in general, or Biden’s cut-n-run version of it? Just curious, as I would put partition nowhere near the non-surge “surge” on the dementia scale.
Darrell
Well, I’m not claiming absolute knowledge on the subject, but I did work 3 years for a Pakistani American-owned software company, in which about 1/3 of my co-workers were Pakistani born, and I still stay in touch with many of them. That certainly doesn’t make me an expert on all things Pakistani, but it does give me enough knowledge/experience to know you are a clueless twit trying to assert knowledge about something you know little about.
demimondian
Watch out, folks — the only reason Krista tolerates my 51st state jokes is that she knows I’m a gentleman. I wouldn’t ever stumble into being offensive.
Seriously, India/Pakistan confusion acceptable? Um…they’ve fought how many wars in the last fifty years? And, like, um, how many of those are still going on by proxy? (Hint: use Google to search for “Kashmir conflict”.)
tBone
Now that is funny. Is it Opposite Day or something?
ThymeZone
Oh god, that is just wonderful. Please never stop doing this to him.
Yes, I am very easily amused.
Zifnab
Do. You. Like. Pie?
Darrell
Tim, you ask questions in a coy, weasel-like manner which is not forthright. Given the question you asked in context, my response was perfectly reasonable. If you want/wanted to know something specific, then ask a specific question, and I’ll answer. Even after asking you be clear in your questions, you’re still being coy, refusing to ask the question directly. Whatever.
tBone
You seem to be the only one who was “confused” by what Tim was getting at. Who’s being coy?
If you want/wanted to know something specific, then ask a specific question, and I’ll answer.
tBone
Whoops. Submit button slip, ignore the last sentence above.
tBone
Fjuck off, you.
Tim F.
The de facto partition that we have now is known as “ethnic cleansing.” It’s savage, bloody and merciless because Iraq was a relatively cosmopolitan society where in many places the two sects interdigitated freely. The Kurds didn’t interdigitate quite so freely so Saddam integrated them involuntarily in places like Kirkuk. The upshot is that families have to be torn apart, neighborhoods have to be stripped of as many as half of their inhabitants and two large cities, Baghdad and Kirkuk, become up-for-grabs battlegrounds. It’s a human rights nightmare.
Pretty clearly there is a world of difference between passively participating in ethnic cleansing by failing to stop it and actively pitching in. As I said in the post, even if we did pitch in, who would get the disputed areas? The unfortunate Pakisatnis stationed on the remote Khyber pass could tell you that these aren’t small matters.
Then there’s the Kurdistan problem. The moment that K-stan gains independence the Iranian and Turkish armies will roll in and compete to see who can take it away first. We wouldn’t be able to stop them and at this point we lack the international standing to do it even if we wanted to. Complicating things somewhat, the Kurds are more or less Israel’s best friends in the mideast so we might want to a lot.
At least the “surge” might give us enough boots to beat a safe retreat, and I don’t see it making things that much worse unless we do something drooling stupid like arrest Sadr or instigate war with Iran. Lending our support to partition is a guaranteed disaster and will make us the enemy of literally everybody. Thanks but no thanks.
Krista
No, I think he’s had enough…for now.
Tim F.
I’m patronizing you because I find it hard to believe that somebody would mistake the import of the original comment. What kind of person thinks that I would take offense to the idea that people like Obama rather than the idea that they only like him because he’s black? You, I guess.
Now that you understand the context you should have no problem with the original question. To repeat:
Take your time.
Face
My Irony-Meter just blew up. Turns out, it can’t handle such ridiculously high readings…
Zifnab
I don’t see the biggest difference, especially when it’s American-armed militias and American-paid contractors who get involved in the slaughters.
I honestly don’t see Iraq holding together for another five years. As the saying goes, “the center cannot hold”. Who gets what cities and how we deal with refugees remains a tactical problem. From a political standpoint, we need to recognize that the Kurds will get their Kurdistan (if for no other reason than the Shites will force them to it), and Al-Sadr will get his own little fiefdom (unless someone kills him). It’s just a matter of whether Sunnis are allowed to live in Iraq at all, and how all three power bases settle. There will either be three governments or two genocides in Iraq. Too much bad blood has seen to that.
Well… then we’re fucked.
Tim F.
Let me correct myself – the Khyber Pass isn’t particularly remote. The nearby Siachen glacier, which is what I had in mind, is.
Jake
Darrell, coming from you I’m not sure if dumb as dirt is a compliment or an insult. (ie “Greetings, my lackwit brother!”) I’m sure you’re pleased with yourself for figuring out BPLU is a spoof and thought you were the only one in on the big secret. Oh! jake thought this site iz for real but it isn’t! I win, I win! [fap fap fap! Snore…]
Sorry to break it to you, but your glee-induced pants staining was for naught. But I apologize. I often forget that being slow as frozen snot doesn’t prevent people from using the intertubes and sometimes they get confused by what they read. So Darrell, just for you, next time I post a link to something like BPLU or this masterpiece I’ll add some context in the form of smiley winky emoticons for morons who wouldn’t recognize a joke if it raced up their leg, hunted around for a testicle to bite, couldn’t find one and settled for taking a chunk out of their arse.
tBone
Isn’t there a possibility that by actively pitching in, we could mitigate the worst effects of ethnic cleansing, ala Bosnia?
As far as the Kurds go, they’re going to be in a tough situation in any case. A soft partition wouldn’t be that much different than the de facto independence they have now, would it?
If we take it as a given that partioning is happening, with or without our involvement, I have trouble with the idea that we shouldn’t at least try to guide the process.
les
Evidence??? Tim, you must know a different D. His ass is the source of essentially all of his “comments.”
Richard Bottoms
It’s been a while since I posted.
Fuck George Bush.
Thanks.
Jake
This would explain his reading skills. Hard to gaze out of the navel I reckon:
OK sweetheart, I have an idea. Twice in a short time period you’ve popped a blood vessel (this is hyperbole, I don’t really think you’ve ruptured anything) over something and then, when backed against the wall, (not a real wall mind) your ‘excuse’ has been “Sorry, missed that part,” (I’m paraphrasing, calm down).
Why don’t you try this: Read the comment or linked article once. Take a deep breath. Read it again. And then, start writing your reply. I’m sure you’ll still have plenty of opportunities to revile the evil/stupid/unwashed libbies and the evil/stupid/unwashed libbies will tell you you’re full of shit, but it will eliminate the appearance that you’re an illiterate wanker.
Jimitha
Cher: Lucy, you know I don’t speak Mexican.
Lucy: I NOT A MEXICAN. [storms off]
Cher: Great, what was that all about?
Josh: Lucy’s from El Salvador.
Cher: So?
Josh: So, it’s an entirely different country.
Cher: What does that matter?
Josh: You get mad if anyone thinks you live below Sunset.
–
Darrell
Twice? Where was the second?
Darrell
Jake, now you’re backpeddling. You did not realize BPLU was a spoof site, which is why you called them “cretins”. When your idiocy was pointed out to you, now you’re claiming that you knew “all along”. Whatev
Zombie Santa Claus
BPLU is fake? No shit!
Is DateJesus a spoof site too, man?
tBone
Actually, Jake said:
The “cretin” being referred to, obviously, is Biden.
I can’t believe you’re actually accusing someone of not realizing BPLU is a spoof site – here at the epicenter of spoofdom, of all places.
You’re off your game today. Go eat some pie.
Bubblegum Tate
Andre 3000 for president!
“Ain’t nobody dope as me/
I’m just so fresh and clean”
The Other Steve
Only twice?
Darrell is the King of Hyperbole.
BTW, Darrellique, did you see that Bush isn’t playing well in Peoria?
Darrell
Just like you were doing yesteday tBone, you’re being dishonest as hell.. again
In other words, Biden was trying to woo bigots like those on the linked site because jake was too fucking stupid to realize it was a spoof site, so he assumed they were bigots.. the kind of bigot a “cretin” like Biden would try and attract.
Jake
Poor Darrell, he sat in the classroom but he was too busy scratching at scabs to listen to teacher. You even pulled my exact quote and you still can’t figure it out. Let’s see if I can make up for the fact your elementary school teachers didn’t do their jobs:
Some how you got “cretins” from “What a cretin.” Cretins is plural Darrell, CRETIN is singular, therefore anyone with moderate reading skills should have been able to grasp I was refering to one person. But there is another clue, I wrote “even if he (because I was referring to one cretin) was wooing voters like this.” It would have made more sense (not much, but a little) if you thought “he” was a reference to Chris Rock but that was in a separate paragraph so I guess you forgot.
So which is it Darrell? Are you deliberately mis-reading what I wrote because you’re a dishonest wanker or are you unable to read what I wrote because you’re an illiterate wanker?
Take your time.
YellowJournalism
Just to let you know, Darrell, I married into an Indian family and live in a community mostly made up of Indian and Pakistani immigrants, and “Paki” is one of THE most offensive, degrading things you could call an Indian. In fact, it’s the equivalent of calling an African-American the “n” word.
Merely mistaking an Indian for a Pakastani is only slightly less offensive in their eyes. I’m pretty sure Pakistanis don’t appreciate the reverse, either. You co-workers were probably just being polite because they know you didn’t know any better.
Jake
Oh look, Darrell recognized the difference between plural and singular, progress! Or wait…you don’t think he’s smuggling goal posts in his rectum again?
Nah, I say we give Darrell a break. I admit I didn’t provide a smiley winky emoticon in my first post for the slower readers and my failure to provide a clue for what I thought was a pretty obvious joke has clearly blown Darrell’s little mind. Perhaps each post should should contain a translation into Darrellese so he will know what the hell is going on.
Or we can just give all of his posts any interpretation we please…
Hmmm.
TenguPhule
Darrell’s Irony of the Day, sponsored by Darrell Flakes, breakfast of chumps.
TenguPhule
No.
This has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.
TenguPhule
Hush now, don’t use words with meanings that Darrell doesn’t understand.
tBone
I was the one being dishonest as hell? Oh, OK. By the way, do you still think that we “went out of our way” to employ Iraqis in the reconstruction?
This is even more pathetic than your purposeful misreading of Tim’s question upthread. But keep it up, maybe there’s a retarded chimp reading this who will agree with you.
TenguPhule
Shorter Darrell: I am a clueless twit.
Darrell
Yes, absolutely
Darrell
yeah, so “pathetic” that you can’t even explain why. because you can’t
Darrell
This is even more pathetic than your purposeful misreading of Tim’s question upthread
Ok fuckstick, let’s examine my “purposeful” misinterpretation verbatim from upthread. Context
Tim says my comment is “stupid” but being the coy jackass that he is, he doesn’t bother to say how or why. So given this intentional vagueness, I respond making a reasonable assumption.. after all, is there any honest doubt that Osama is light on qualifications for POTUS? Given that, I respond with this
No “purposeful misinterpretation” asshole.. an honest answer to what I guessed he was asking. tBone, do really consider yourself to be an honest person? You’re not. You constantly attribute motivations and words to me which I never thought or wrote, and that’s dishonest in any book. The above example is case in point.
tBone
o rlly?
I guess you’re right, I can’t explain it. Let’s talk about something else. Did you hear that the White House retracted the entire State of the Union address?*
*Obligatory Darrell Disclaimer: The site linked to is a parody site and should not be taken seriously. I do not actually believe the White House retracted the State of the Union address. Nor do I believe that we must breed with whales in order to save them, or that a new Archie graphic novel will explore the rich inner life Of Jughead.
Jake
Darrell Progress Report:
Pt. finally admits he is so obtuse that it is impossible to explain simple statements to him. Recommend slice of pie as a reward.
tBone
And you accuse Tim of being coy? Oy.
Maybe your misreading of Tim’s question wasn’t purposeful; maybe it was just really, really stupid. If that’s the case, my apologies.
Darrell
Even a smiley icon wouldn’t have explained it either, and it’s telling that you’re trying to backpeddle as if it would have made a difference.
There were no bigots in that site, as it was a spoof site. You really and truly were too fucking stupid to realize it, and now you’re too dishonest to admit that you really believed the site had bigots that a “cretin” like Biden might appeal to.
TenguPhule
Darrell’s Irony of the Day II, sponsored by Darrell Loops, for that ring around the bowl feeling.
tBone
Funny, I don’t remember anything in the original post about bigots. Let’s look:
Nope, not a single word about bigots. Huh. You know, a wise man once said:
TenguPhule
Darrell’s Irony of the Day III(tm), brought to you by *pie*. Today’s Darrellicious flavor is: Cow.
TenguPhule
Shorter Darrell: Me so stupid! Tee Hee!
Darrell
tBone’s spin machine – defending the indefensable on his side, while nitpicking ideological opponents on details that do not undermine the larger point in the least.
He clearly thought the people on that site were not “good” people. They were the type that a “cretin” like Biden would appeal to. The site is/was entirely about white people interacting with black people in ways jake found objectionable (before he finally got clued in that it was a spoof site). He most definitely was suggesting that Biden would appeal to bigots, like those on the BPLU site before figuring out it was a spoof.
Tim F.
LOL. Tim is still having a hard time believing that you failed to understand the obvious. Speaking of which, he’s still waiting for you to substantiate the point that “libs” only like Obama because he’s black. Do you have a name yet? Even one will be a good start.
tBone
It’s gold, Jerry. Gold!
Darrell
Given his lack of experience and unknowns, what other reason to explain the leftists’ excitement over Obama? Are you honestly going to tell us that Obama’s race isn’t a huge factor in why libs are fawning over him?
Shabbazz
I used to work with 3 African-American guys. They used to call each other the “N word” all the time and even let me join in on the fun. This proves that the “N word” is not offensive to any other African-American people and only an idiot-lib-insertinsulthere would suggest otherwise.
Or maybe it means that I’m the idiot for thinking that my personal anecdote involving 3 individuals can be applied to an entire population of people.
One or the other.
Darrell
No, you’re just a garden variety idiot in a general overall sense.
Tim F.
So you did pull it out of your ass. Let’s see, who else had no experience on the national stage when he ran for president? Oh yeah, George W. Bush. The current president. Less than one complete Senate term? JFK. That’s some powerful reasoning you have there.
In the future when you pull a conclusion entierly out of your ass, it would show good faith to label it appropriately. I don’t enjoy wasting my time only to find out that you can’t defend it.
TenguPhule
Shorter Darrell: I don’t like Obama, how can you?
Tim F.
Correction – JFK served one term and change. Which, as everybody knows, changes everything.
TenguPhule
Tim, he can never defend his talking points.
Darrell needs his own POOHA label (Pulled Out Of His Ass).
Shabbazz
Really? Well, tough-guy, put your money where your mouth is.
Go here and tell the people that they’re all basically Pakistani
http://www.indiabook.com/bbs/
Then go here and tell them that they’re all basically Indian.
http://www.muziqpakistan.com/board/
Consider it an empirical experiment in how full of shit you really are. You like to claim that you’re “never wrong” about anything. Well…Prove it.
I’ll happily and publicly eat crow if both communities tell you that it’s no big deal either way.
Jake
Darrell Progress Report:
Pt. continues to becomes hostile when others refuse to slow down to his level.
Query: Is there anyway to make pt. see that rather than throwing tantrums because the other kids are smarter, he should attempt to be as smart as the other kids?
Recommendation: Take away his pony and see if that helps.
Darrell
Tim, are you so stupid as to believe my opinion can be proved or disproved?
Zifnab
That’s a deep question Darrell.
But, about the pie…
Darrell
Um, he was a two term elected governor of one of the largest states in the country. Isn’t governor where the majority of our Presidents have come from?
Again, it is not “controversial” to point out that Osama is very light on qualifications and experience, and heavy on unknowns.
TenguPhule
Shorter Darrell: Pay no attention to the accusation that lefties only like Obama because he’s black. Pretend I was talking about something else instead.
Darrell has no spine, because one couldn’t possibly keep up with contortions he resorts to when pressed.
What do you think, folks? Is Darrell a mollusk or a sponge?
TenguPhule
Foreign policy experience: Zero.
National Security Credentials: None.
Economic Record: A joke.
Leadership Record: A bigger joke.
Business Record: Failure.
Jake
I think he’s one of these little critters. Only not so cute.
Tim F.
If you want me to know it’s an opinion then don’t present it as fact, and don’t waste my time defending it as a fact. Let’s go to the tape:
That sounds to me like a statement of fact. Correct me if I’m wrong, of course. Maybe I missed the part where you say in my opinion.
Spare me the bullshit, k? You tried to get away with an outrageous smear and now, since you can’t back it up and you can’t name one person who fits your broad-brush denunciation you want to claim that you didn’t mean to say what you obviously meant to say. Sad.
chopper
uh, the texas governership is by design a very weak position of power. the texas governor holds less power than pretty much any other governorship in the country.
vetiver
A state in which “broad powers over the legal system, state budget and finances, education, transportation, agriculture, public utilities, and land development are delegated to officials who need not share the policies nor even be of the same political party as the governor.” (Details here.) It’s called a “plural executive” or “weak governor” system.
So Bush as governor wasn’t as much a decider as a glad-handing front man — pretty much the role he played while “running” the Texas Rangers. (Unless he wants to take credit for trading away Sammy Sosa.)
Darrell
Smear? WTF? If it’s true, how the hell could it be a smear?
And btw Tim, did you tell Steve he was guilty of a smear when he claimed Cal Ripkin Jr. gets all the press because he’s white? No?
Darrell
Uh Tim, when a statement of fact is made, it typically involves the person making the claim, saying something like “it’s a fact” or “it’s proven that”. Where did I say that? Oh right Tim, you pulled it out of your ass.
jg
This place is a lot more fun when I read the arguments people have with Darrell rather than get involved. Its like a never ending Monty Python Argument skit. You have to want to argue for the sake of arguing in order to say what I quoted from Darrell.
Darrell
It’s true that lieutenant governor has a lot of power in Texas,and at the time of Bush’s governorship, the Lt governor was a Democrat.. Bob Bullock. And Bush demonstrated considerable political skills in working with Dems, to the point where Democrat Bullock actually endorsed Bush for President.
ImJohnGalt
Nor is it controversial to point out the George W. doesn’t really think about him much anymore. How many times in this thread is Darrell going to mar the distinction between Mr. Al Qaeda and Mr. Madrassa?
Tim F.
Honestly, are you just here to piss me off? Less than an hour ago you declared that the statement was not a fact but an opinion.
Facts can be true, not opinions. Which is it, Darrell? Stop. wasting. my. time.
Steve wasn’t making a hamfisted attempt to smear me. I’m a “lib,” right?
One of your many rhetorical defects is this determination to generalize outgoing criticism and personalize incoming criticism. It’s a sign of very lazy thinking.
Tom in Texas
Just for the record, I did disagree with Steve. I even used the media’s treatment of substandard offensive SS Ozzie Guillen to prove my point. Not that that has anything to do with Obama in the slightest. Just sayin’.
Tim F.
Let’s see.
Oh wait, that last one was followed by an opinion. Let’s see whether you tag it:
And again:
This isn’t some obscure semantic argument, Darrell. This is your own word use. I seem to have a very easy time telling your statements of opinion from your declarations of fact.
And I hereby declare this the most inane dodge that you have ever pulled.
jg
You didn’t use ‘I think’ or ‘its a fact’ or ‘its proven that’ anywhere in that statement. So is it a fact that when a statement of fact is made people use your construction or is this your opinion?
chopper
that’s just stupid.
you don’t need to state something like ‘it is a fact that…’ to assert something as factual. saying ‘the sky is blue’ is a statement of fact, whether or not you say ‘it is a fact that’ in front of it.
hell, you can put ‘i think’ in front of something and that doesn’t automatically make it an opinion either. ‘i think the sky is blue’ isn’t a statement of an opinion. its an assertion of a fact, with ‘i think’ in front of it.
Jake
No it isn’t.
jg
You’re just being contradictory.
Richard 23
Good spoofing, Darrell. I bet it cracks you up that people actually take you seriously.
It’s funny how you drop hints about it often, chastizing “libs” for only being able to argue with “caricatures” of conservatives and yet they continue to argue with you.
Don’t worry, your secret is safe with me.
Richard 23
Damn, nice catch IJG! I bet Darrell was giggling over that one, just bursting to point out his little joke. But everyone missed it.
It doesn’t mean he’s a spoof though. ;-)
::snicker::
Jake
No I’m not.
TenguPhule
Too many.
This has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.
tBone
Jake, you do know that Monty Python thing was a comedy sketch, not a real conversation, right? Just checking, because I hear you’re a little slow in that area.
vetiver
Good for you, Darrell. You’ve backed down from the claim that running the second-largest state in the union is adequate preparation for running the union itself. All credit to you for that.
But, see, this is where you over-reach. Having been slapped down on one tired old turd-blossom canard, you trot out another one — the bi-partisan, ima-uniter-notta-divider dodge.
Bi-partisanship is not that hard to accomplish when there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties. The (more or less) well-known Texas progressives — Ann Richards, Molly Ivins, Jim Hightower, Lloyd Doggett, John Henry Faulk — are well-known because they’re the exception.
In his time, Bullock was, like virtually all TX Dems, a moderate Republican. Nelson Rockefeller with a different accent. (Of course, I’m measuring by this vintage political scale I picked up on eBay; it was calibrated back when moderate Republicans actually walked the earth.)
One of my close relatives worked with Bullock for decades, and I have no doubt at all that Bob Bullock would be appalled by what Bush has wrought.
Jake
No it isn’t.
No I’m not.
Sheesh. Next you’ll try to tell me Betty Bowers is some sort of spoof of iron-plated Queen Bitch Phyllthis Schlafly, and these little fellas don’t exist. HA! Nice try libbie.
Drivin’ in my car, livin’ like a – Oops, wrong thread.
TenguPhule
Pardon me sir, I’m looking for the Department of Funny Walks.
tBone
Shelley the Republican is totally the real deal, though.
jg
See, right there, you just contradicted me.
chopper
oh, i’m sorry, this is ‘abuse’.
jake
Well obviously this is real, duh! There’s a picture of Darrell and everything. Looks like he’s going to meet the President!
Silly librul.
scs
To you all that don’t get the difference between a flub and a social gafffe, tell me one gaffe that Bush said that offended a group of people. True he has misspoken or mangled words and phrases- but that is not a “social” gaffe.
So far we got Hilary (the Indian gas stations), Biden (clean blacks), and Kerry (soldiers are stuck), Dean (“I hate Republicans” and with the scream that made people doubt his sanity and ko’ed his nomination chances), and many more- and they haven’t even had the spotlight of years of presidency on them. Bush definitely has to be smarter than these people to avoid the stupidity these other candidates engaged in.
Zombie Santa Claus
His little “Where are those missing WMDs?” joke pissed a lot of people off. Also, I’ve hated him ever since I heard about how he made fun of Carla Faye Tucker after he had her killed.
TenguPhule
Shorter Scs: With my face glued to Cheney’s crotch I heard nothing Bush said in the last seven years that would lead me to believe he’s made a gaffe or said something stupid like “Bring it on” or “Want some wood?”.
Tom in Texas
#1: Your controversies are invented by the same media that somehow simultaneously fawns over Kerry/Dean’s every word.
#2: I’m pretty sure quotes like “Heckuva job Brownie” and “no one could have anticipated the breach” offended a few people scattered throughout the country. Calling the war “just a comma” insulted more than a few families of dead soldiers.
As to foreign policy, all the Axis of Evil Islamofascist crap doesn’t exactly soothe bruised egos either. Now I’ll grant that I am not all that worried about offending AQ’s sensibilities (though I think we could try to manage a few less gaffes concerning Iran and North Korea), but these were not just mangled phrases, nor were their meanings taken out of context a la Kerry or Biden/Obama. They were deliberate insults; they were much worse than a gaffe, which is merely a social faux pas.
Tim F.
Gaffe? Crusade. Nuff said.
scs
“Heckuva job Brownie” “no one could have anticipated the breach” “just a comma” “crusade”
Sorry those don’t count as gaffes. Those are statements that mainly offend partisans, not groups of ordinary people. Give it up – Bush has better speaking skills in this regard than most of your vaunted dems so far. And this is not just a small thing – this kind of stuff, just one small slip, can end a person’s aspirations. Ask Kerry or George Allen.
Tim F.
So you’re saying that since you won’t accept that you’re wrong, you must be right. It’s amazing how convincing rightwingers can be when they’re not you.
scs
No – I’m saying you actually have to PROVE I’m wrong TimF. You don’t get to command that I’m wrong. You may be blogleader but as far as I know, you’re still not God. (maybe a minor cult leader though…)
Tim F.
This is the advantage of being denser than a neutron star, my friend. When somebody proves you wrong you can dismiss the proof and conclude you’re right. It’s your MO. If I was dumb enough to continue you will become defensively patronizing in 2 +/- 1 comments and then go on as if everybody is insane for not agreeing with you ad infinitum. Why bother?
scs
Just in case you’re to dim to get it – here’s the definition of “gaffe”
For example, telling Brownie he’s doing a heckuva job is not a “social” blunder. Bush was going on the information he was receiving from his group at the time. So he may have been wrong- or made a mistake, but that is not a “gaffe”. Second of all, we found out later that the blame was not all Brownies – but that is beside the point for now.
Again, a gaffe is not just a mistake on facts or tactics, or a politcally controversial statement – it’s just a dumbass, unneccesary statement that offends people- in a personal way- such as in stereotyping. “Crusade” is not one because that is how the word “crusade” is used. Just like some pol used the word “niggardly” a while back. Some people tried to make hay out of that like it was a racist comment – but it’s just what the word is and has nothing to do with race. The only thing on the list I would admit comes close to a gaffe is the WMD jokes- as that was socially awkward. But that is not exactly a personal insult to anyone- more like “insensitivity” than gaffe. And besides, he probably didn’t write that anyway- some speechwriter probably did and some higher-up approved it- so that’s not really an impromptu gaffe solely on Bush’s part. So, I repeat- Bush is virtually gaffe-free.
scs
Gee Tim – why on earth would I become defensive after someone calls me “denser than a neutron star”? Everyone know thats a compliment right? No need to get defensive on that right? Give me a break Tim. Go back to watching Star Trek.
Tim F.
Damn, unders win.
SCS, why do you compare ‘crusade’ to niggardly? Crusade is not a poorly chosen word that accidentally resembles something offensive. It is exactly the word that he meant to use, and people found it offensive for exactly the reason that he used it. Things don’t always look the same seen from someone else’s perspective.
scs
“Crusade” Tim, is a word that means something like “forceful quest”. It was perfectly appropriate for the sentence. It can also refer to the “Crusades”, but anyone with half a brain knew that Bush meant it the former way. It should not be offensive to anyone to use a word properly in a sentence. Unless you’re a partisan trying to make hay (cough, cough).
scs
Just so you know Tim because you seem to have problems with words:
Tim F.
That’s funny, I predicted that 1) you would become patronizing, and 2) you wouldn’t get my point. How wrong I was. Instead you gave me definitions from dictionary.com and vague suppositions about how people who aren’t you see the world. Let me repeat:
Do me a favor and try to imagine somebody with an entirely different cultural background from yourself not seeing things your way.
Tim F.
To be honest, it sucks being right all the time.
I don’t know anything about your Friday night plans but mine don’t include inane interchat. If you have something that I absolutely must read then email it to me.
scs
Tim, first of all, probably most people from entirely different backgrounds would not get an English language version of that soundbite but it would be translated, hopefully properly, into their own language. And second of all, I would think even people who aren’t American’s are bright enough to realize that some words have different meanings in differnt contexts- a little like the word “jihad” which has many meanings I’m told. Just because they’re not American doesn’t mean they aren’t ALL stupid out there Tim!
scs
I think it sucks worse to be wrong all the time but thinking you’re right. You might have some firsthand experience to tell me about that Tim. Anyway, have fun on your Friday night. Try not to scare the farm animals.
jake
Kind of like when scs’s parents-to-be got drunk at a hoe down, had sex in the pig stye and then remembered they were cousins.
scs
Sorry, my parents are European- the old school kind, before they all became wimps. Kind of hard to find hoedown’s over there.
YellowJournalism
Uh, scs, you left out the part of the dictionary definition of gaffe that says: “A blatant mistake or misjudgment.” I would say that there’s a ton of things Bush has said or done that would count under that definition, since you’re holding Tim to the definition of crusade, here.
YellowJournalism
Uh, scs, you left out the part of the dictionary definition of gaffe that says: “A blatant mistake or misjudgment.” There’s also: “a socially awkward or tactless act.” I would say that there’s a ton of things Bush has said or done that would count under those definitions, since you’re holding Tim to the definition of crusade, here. The WMD search was pretty damn tactless.