This is pretty creepy – before Brian Doyle and Frank Figueroa, a third DHS employee, Michael Burks, got caught soliciting underage sex.
It’s cool when naughty people clean up their act and then make an honest buck off of their illicit skills, such as hackers who become cyber-security experts, or a former burglar who hangs a shingle as a security consultant, but to do that you have to reform first.
These stories and two recent trends in general point to a concern that has not gotten much attention. Modern Republicans have made a crusade out of expanding government powers and stripping away oversight. Loosened civil liberties protections and neutered oversight makes it easier to chase crooks, but it also makes it easier to chase anybody you feel like chasing. Nobody has ever loved classifying ordinary documents or hated the Freedom of Information Act as much as the current administration. Think that I’m wrong? The people who try to argue my point will be the exact same people who think that reporters should be locked up for reporting.
That brings up another major problem with modern Republicans – they love to fill important posts with the young, hackish and ideologically pure. Chuckle about Brownie and George Deutsch and the anonymous retard in Baghdad who recommended throwing away judicial review because it might allow abortion, but those are just the doofuses who get caught. Bush tried to fill the top post at DHS with a guy so comically awful – Bernie Kerik – that the White House later had to admit that they skipped the most rudimentary background check. Try to think about Harriet Miers for awhile without giggling or retching in your mouth.
It seems like a pointless truism to say that the organization follows the president’s lead. If the president appoints ideologically-pure nimrods to important posts then it seems painfully stupid to think that his hand-picked underlings, and their hand-picked underlings, won’t do the exact same thing. Of course they will. You can find a George Deutsch under every streambed pebble in the Executive branch.
Put two and two and two together. Increasing government power, decreasing oversight, lax hiring policies. What kind of person do you think that is going to attract?
***Update***
Via Carpetbagger, let’s praise Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) for stating the obvious:
“The arrest of DHS Deputy Press Secretary Brian J. Doyle raises serious concerns about the department’s hiring policies and, more important, its security-clearance practices,” King said.
If I had to guess I would say that the general atmosphere of ideological hackery only explains part of what is happening at DHS. Since I actually don’t know the answer I will phrase it as a question: does the federal employees’ union dictate hiring practices as well as when and how an employee can be fired? If so then the lack of union protections at DHS may contribute as well.
Barry
A minor quibble – it’s not ‘relaxed hiring policies’; I’m willing to bet that Bush administration hiring policies are far stricter than Clinton administration policies. It’s that they’re stricter in a bad way – ideology and corruption before everything else.
yet another jeff
This is actually starting to look like the argument for sweeping surveillance powers is to look at kiddie pr0n.
They’re not trying to protect us, they’re just trying to find masturbation material. Arguments against oversight make a lot more sense in light of all the recent data points.
Pharniel
indeed. the fun police are out in force.
because you start and practice with kiddie porn.
after that spying on anyone, anywhere is trivial.
Gary Farber
“This is pretty creepy – before Brian Doyle and Frank Figueroa, a third DHS employee, Michael Burks, got caught soliciting underage sex.”
Tim, have you looked up how many individuals work for DHS?
In 2004, it’s said to have been 183,000. Is it really that surprising that 3 whole people were arrested for any given crime? Would it be surprising to find that even more than 3 people who work for the Department of Defense were so arrested? (I’d be willing to bet that it’s so.)
“Nobody should argue that modern Republicans have made a crusade out of expanding government powers and stripping away oversight.”
It may be just me who can’t really tell what this is intended to mean. Did a word fall out of it, perhaps?
Pb
“I swear to God, as God as my witness, I’m wearing a St. Michael’s medal right now, okay?” — Michael Burks
Ah yes, the “I wasn’t going to do anything with that underage 13-year-old because I’m a good Catholic boy” defense…
Stormy70
I looked up the sex offenders in my neighborhood, and there were about 15 within one mile of me. These 15 were only the offenders who had been caught molesting children, there were about 10 more who had committed offenses against women. These types of people are more prevalent than you realize, and I bet there are more than 3 in that 183,000 who look at child porn.
They just haven’t been caught, yet.
LITBMueller
Gary, that’s like arguing that, since the Pentagon has 26,000 employees in it, we shouldn’t be surprised that one or two is a raging anarchist hell bent on destroying the military industrial complex.
If we were talking about WalMart here, your playing with numbers would be reasonable. But, since DHS is supposed the central coordinating executive branch department in charge of protecting this nation from both foreign and domestic threats, I think it is imminently reasonable to expect DHS not to employ sexual predators as THE FREAKING SPOKESPERSON, at least.
Punchy
They’ve recently pulled this hackery in the FDA, EPA, and Forestry Service. So after your pharmacist denies you Plan B, your knocked-up girlfriend gets poisoning from the mercury in her tuna, and suddenly your planned secluded vacation to Denali becomes a trip to 500 acres of stumps and snow. Your kid then comes out with 3 arms and is promptly eaten by 2 starving Grizzlies. Thanks, GB.
Paul Wartenberg
Me. I’m looking for a job. Who do I send my resume to?
Krista
I definitely wouldn’t bet against you on that one, hon.
Davebo
Frankly I don’t think a populace that elected George W. Bush twice has any room to complain about government officials hiring the incompetent.
I’d say we are actually lucky. We really don’t have as bad a government as we deserve.
Larry
Mayhaps we do.
Please watch this space.
Zifnab
If these three particular individuals were low level government paper pushers or other cogs in the beaurocratic mill, your arguement might hold some water. But finding out the guy staring at kiddy porn is the Assistant Press Secretary is like finding out Scott McClellan’s been raping kittens in his back yard. These are your upper management. Your creme de la creme. What’s more, when you’re dealing with the DHS, you’re effectively dealing with every police organization that the US Government fields. Remember how comforting it was to find out J. Edgar Hoover dressed in women’s clothes? That’s the comfort level I feel right now.
John D.
In 2004, it’s said to have been 183,000. Is it really that surprising that 3 whole people were arrested for any given crime?
I find it surprising that the former head of Operation Predator just pled no contest to exposing himself to a 16 year old, yes. Maybe that’s just me. I’d like to think that the guy leading the federal task force against child sexual predation would not, himself, be a sexual predator.
I’m funny that way, I guess.
yet another jeff
Yeah, ’cause crossdressing is worse than keeping dossiers on everyone without cause.
Unless you mean that in the sense of people that have shame to hide are more likely to be looking through our windows.
Sherard
Build a straw man much ? This blog has jumped the goddam shark. It’s a damn shame.
Chris
It seems to me that if your core political belief is the inherent evil of government, you don’t get into politics to champion good government; and it’s not difficult for you to rationalize immoral behavior (financial or otherwise) which subverts good government.
GOP4Me
Yet your moonbat party supports letting gays marry. The left demonstrates its double standards time and time again.
yet another jeff
Ah, GOP4Me…you are truly a wingnut’s wingnut.
Steve
Try replacing the word “argue” with its synonym, “dispute.”
GOP4Me
Thanks, I guess.
Historical Wit
What’s wrong with gay marriage?
canuckistani
Well, if the Right going to work to outlaw birth control, abortion, and homosexuality, where else is a good Republican going to go for some action if he doesn’t want to knock someone up?
GOP4Me
http://www.familywatchdog.us
Keep informed. Protect your loved ones.
yet another jeff
Seems like a philosophy that wanted family units, two parents for children, stability and whatnot would push for gay marriage on pragmatic grounds. Damn fundies screw up the pragmatism with religious worries that they’ll go to hell unless they force everyone to live their moral codes.
Screw morals…ethics are what society needs.
GOP4Me
It’s a reprehensible message to send to our children, and it erodes the traditional structure of the American family- the most basic unti of our entire society. Rome collapsed for lesser causes than this. But go on- have your fabulous weddings. When your great-grandchildren are all speaking Arabic or Mexican or Russian, don’t come crawling to me.
In a traditional heterosexual Christian marriage, the way God intended for us all.
Pb
canuckistani,
Today’s GOP: where the men are men, and the sheep are scared.
yet another jeff
Yep, truly a wingnut’s wingnut. :)
GOP4Me
It’s not about financial stability, it’s about a nation retaining its culture and its values and its faith. A lot more goes into this basic building block of society than just 3 meals a day and a roof over your head. We’re talking about inheriting the values and traditions that made this country great. Why can’t you kooks grasp this?
I’d agree with the second part of your statement, if not for the fact that it acts as a qualifier for the first part.
yet another jeff
GOP4Me…
Are you blaming sexual predator DHS officials on gay marriage?
Pb
yet another jeff,
I think he’s conflating the two, while trying to uphold traditional moral values like unjust war and cronyism.
yet another jeff
Guess we kooks think that adults can love who they want and enter into civil contracts with them, visit them in hospitals, and inheirit property from them without the Govt. making useless laws, growing to enforce what is strictly a religious issue.
yet another jeff
Pb,
Yes, moral values, unqualified by ethics.
Punchy
Holy Crap! Gay Marriage, in addition to ruining marriage, also changes your ethnicity!! So if I wanted learn Spanish really fast, I guess I’ve got to find a guy to hitch. Fascinating.
I love how the wingnuts focus on gays, not the divorce rate. Cuz, ya know, divorce doesn’t really hurt the family values, split up 2 parent households, or lead to instability…only GAY people do that!
Historical Wit
Seems racist to me…and Rome fell because they cut down all the trees.
Brian
We can thank these DHS cats for questions like these from the kids.
GOP4Me
No.
I’m not doing that either, Peanut Butter. And don’t worry, I still think your marriage to jelly is divinely sanctioned and quite acceptable.
This is a God-fearing Christian country, and if you don’t like that, move to France. In 20 years, they’ll be an Allah-fearing Muslim country, unless the fresh influx of American atheists and secular humanists can offset the demographic trend.
America wasn’t built in a day, so the rot won’t kick in right away either. But given time and current levels of decadence, your children’s children’s children probably will grow up citizens of a fourth-world country, or Canada’s southernmost province.
Divorce is sin, too, but that battle was lost a long time ago. If we can win the war on gays, we can get the momentum to turn back divorce as well. Then we can set this country straight.
ppGaz
This is like the Nixon days.
Let’s talk about the good that DHS has done.
Like the promotion of duct tape for abatement of airborne hazards, and the use of color codes to identify threat levels.
Do you know what the threat level is today?
This is all about hating Bush. With, you know, the capital “B”.
Pb
Brian,
Let’s just hope they don’t watch the commercials too…
What’s ‘natural male enhancement’? Why is he smiling so much?
What’s ‘the purple pill’? Should I ask the doctor if it’s right for me?
What’s a ‘four hour erection’? How will I know if I have one?
What’s ‘erectile dysfunction’?
etc., etc.
ppGaz
Speaking of threat levels, do you know what that level has been for almost all of the last 4 years?
Do you really know what the color codes mean? And have you seen the guidance on how to use them?
C’mon people, focus. This isn’t about an agency that is run by perverts. It’s about protecting America.
Pb
Oh. In that case, carry on!
canuckistani
An interesting claim. How, precisely, does one erode a structure which does not exist in a physical sense? Will the marriage of my friends Derek and Craig weaken my marriage? Will I respect the institution less in a way that contemplation of Britney Spears hasn’t already done? It all makes no difference to me and my wife. Sounds more like a threat to closeted fundamentalists in denial, hungry for some man-love but afraid of the disapproval of their shrill and puritanical neighbours. The whole religious right thing is all about fear.
GOP4Me
I suppose you’d rather we all speak Esperanto, then. Same principle applies. It’s not a racial thing, it’s a national and cultural issue. I wouldn’t expect a moonbat to understand, but there it is.
What’s this about trees?
Rex
>>When your great-grandchildren are all speaking Arabic or Mexican or Russian, don’t come crawling to me.
it’s funny that you started out accusing Tim of constructing strawmen. kettle, meet pot.
>>This is a God-fearing Christian country, and if you don’t like that, move to France.
This is actually an enlightened secular country, crackpot. Why don’t you go break bread with some of your theocratic counterparts in the mid-east. You have far more in common than you care to believe. And over there, you probably won’t get prosecuted for diddling kids.
And for the record, Rome was at the top of its game when it was the most depraved. It fell after Christianity showed up.
SeesThroughIt
You staff DHS with the pedophiles you have, not the pedophiles you wish to have.
Sorry, sorry…somebody had to do it, though.
ppGaz
Yeah, but the sad thing is, you copied that right off their Mission Statement ……..
GOP4Me
If the structure is an idea or a tradition, then acting against the idea or tradition without consequence will erode the idea or tradition.
Not necessarily your marriage personally, but the institution of marriage is weakened.
I honestly can’t say. I don’t know what effect Britney Spears has had on your marriage, although I can confidently say her impact on mine has been quite negligible.
Well, that’s good, anyway. I wish the same could be said for impressionable youngsters reared in this environment.
Government is about fear. Law is about fear. Who would listen to the police if they didn’t have guns, and radios to get more policemen with guns as backup? Who would hesitate to invade us and slaughter us all in our beds like Viking/Mongol/Cheyenne/Hunnish hordes, if not for our standing Army and our Second Amendment, as well as the love of an Omnipotent God for His beloved nation? And what will happen to our Army and our Second Amendment when our faith is so weakened that God turns away from us, and lets the liberal pacifist moonbat nutjobs run the show? I foresee a time of pain.
John D.
Bullshit.
Many of the citizens of this country may be “God-fearing Christians”, but that by no means means that the country is. Very specifically, the government may not make any law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Don’t like it? Work to amend the goddamned US Constitution then. Until then, get your Christopathic spittle off my monitor. I’m no longer giving anyone a free pass on the “God-fearing Christian country” garbage any longer.
America was founded on the notion of freedom. It’s time people remembered that. You have the freedom to be different, yet treated as an equal.
GOP4Me
When did I do that, you hardboiled illiterate?
Yes, except I’m not Muslim, speak no Arabic, am Christian, believe in democracy, am in no way descended from any peoples of the region, and am as unfamiliar with their customs as they are with mine. Thanks for the crack about child molestation, though, moonbat. Priceless. Classy as always, you lefty kooks are.
It fell after the emperors persecuted Christians, weakening the military in the process. By the time the empire had turned to the light, it was too late to save it. I fear the same thing is happening here. Not that you’d share those fears, but evidently you’re far too concerned about Middle Eastern children to worry about such things…
John D.
Another “I’m no longer giving a free pass” comment.
Prove it.
Prove that the institution of marriage will be weakened.
Marriage, as far as government is concerned, is a purely secular matter. A matter for licensing, taxes and property.
Time for you to put up or shut up: How will gay marriage weaken the institution of marriage? How will two men or two women getting hitched weaken my last 15 years of matrimony?
Specifics. Data. Evidence. This is what is needed, not assertions. Assertion is not proof. Repeated assertion is not stronger proof.
Time to back up your insanity.
SeesThroughIt
Absolutely. Don’t you understand that if Derek and Craig get married, that instantly nullifies your marriage? What are you, some kind of pinko vegan pantheist whitey-dread?
I love it when fundie retards like GOP4Me get all Helen Lovejoy about the message gay marriage sends to kids. Because teaching kids, “See that person over there who is ostensibly the same as you or me but in actuality is a despicable deviant to the Nth degree!” is such a good, wholesome thing. It’d be funny, though, if kids reared in that environment grew up and used the same politics of hatred against their fundie retard parents, but I guess I just enjoy a good bout of “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.”
Historical Wit
About the trees and the fall of the Roman Empire….
GOP4Me
Secular humanism IS a religion. Its main tenet is the abolition of faith. The War on Christmas presaged the War on Christians. The Constitution also permits the free exercise of religion, something secular humanists can never allow.
I’m not the one trying to find imaginary rights in the Constitution, like a “right to privacy” never written into the text, or a “right to abortion on demand,” or a “right to gay marriage.” I’m trying to have the document interpreted as the Founders interpreted it, not as some Hippie love-children on the Supreme Court decided it should be read in the 1960s.
Agreed. No one’s setting up camps for non-Christians here. But it seems like more and more Christians are going to jail for their beliefs; up until very recently, even picketing an abortion clinic was a criminal offense. Now that moonbats are hard at work illegalizing Christmas, who’s to say what will come next?
Historical Wit
GOP4me makes me laugh…funny stuff coming from that one.
GOP4Me
Prove evolution. Prove global warming. Those things are much less material than the streets of any hometown in America. This country’s been brought to its knees by legalized divorce, abortion, and birth control. Gay marriage is the final death knell. No time to look up statistics, though, lunch is about to end and my boss expects me to work today. Sorry. Maybe later.
A lot of those natural resources were squandered in pagan rituals, you know. And how many humans lost their lives in arena combat for the amusement of others? It was even more wasteful and sinful than the tripe on television today, and the effect on the society was much the same.
SeesThroughIt
He seems to have difficulty with the definition of the word “secular.” But then again, dictionaries are most likely part of the plot to destroy Christianity and replace it with the new Religion of Vocabulary. Also, learning is un-Christian.
Krista
As long as we don’t have to take Florida…
Brian
The streetlight of death
Pb
I think you’re just asking the wrong questions. Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning?
Historical Wit
Did you see this?
Go read the whole thing. Good discovery.
Oh and if you ever watch the History channel or Discover, you would have seen the new revalation that Gladitors were not a violent as once thought. Doctors actually tried to save as many of them as possible. Why? They were a sports league like the NFL, you can’t kill off all the good players. What would you sell?
David
What I’d like to know is how tax breaks, joint assets and next-of-kin benefits for same-sex couples are going to bring about the fall of western civilization. Since the government can’t actually tell churches who to perform marriage ceremonies for, and all.
D. Mason
What a crock of shit. As if the neo-cons give a shit about the values upon which this country was founded. I realise that you’re a spoof but you’re still spouting lies. Here’s a little history lesson about this nations moral foundation.
Our Republics founding documents were drafted on hemp- a huge crop in Virginia. Samuel Adams was a brewer. Aaron Burr killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel. George Washingtom, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison all owned slaves. Infact, Mr. Jefferson, who is said to have fathered children with one of his slaves had this to say about religion:
“The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.”
That’s what one of our nations founders thought about you.
No, the people who built this republic believed in individualism, patriotism(not to be confused with love of government.) and limited government. But they most certainly did not believe in the twisted moral values that the GOP is pushing these days. Infact I would say their believes are squarely at odds with the Republican agenda.
Davebo
Gay marriage isn’t ruining America.
School lunch programs are ruining America.
Kids eating all those soybean hamburgers, chocked full of heterozone.
Next thing you know, 13 year olds have 33″ busts and DHS employees are slobbering all over them.
John D.
Bullshit again. You can’t even define religion properly.
*I* don’t want to see faith abolished. I just don’t want to see it as the basis for a government. Historically, that has worked out really, really badly.
Faith is a personal matter. Belief in God is a personal matter. Nobody is attempting to deny you either. They are attempting to keep it over here, while government is over there.
And finally, WHAT FUCKING WAR ON CHRISTMAS?
That, right there, pretty much proves you’re a troll.
There is not, nor ever was, a War On Christmas.
You are conflating two major issues here.
The Constitution is not the only law of the land. The Constitution is the blueprint of the government. Case law — BY FAR — forms the bulk of the laws.
Read the Tenth Amendment. Read the Fourth Amendment. We have the right to be secure in our persons, unless due process is followed. Where is it written in the Constitution that the government can invade our privacy? Oh, it’s not? Then that right belongs to US, the people. Tenth Amendment. If it is not a power specifically granted to the federal government, it is a right of the people or the states.
Show me a Christian that went to jail for their beliefs instead of their actions.
I dare you to.
DougJ
I wish I could say I found any of this surprising. What kind of person would want to work for George Bush?
canuckistani
Man, that really says it all. Fear really is the motivator for you fundies. You’d murder your neighbours, except you’re afraid of the police. You’d nuke Mexico, except you’re afraid that Russia would nuke you. You’d cheat on your taxes, but your afraid of the IRS. You’d molest children, but you’re afraid of exposure. Are you sure you want to claim that fear is what keeps people in line?
On the positive side, you’d shake hands with your gay brother, but you’re afraid of AIDS. You would dance and sing, but you’re afraid of damnation. You would help the hungry but you’re afraid of foreigners.
Your miserable, bitter, twisted morality makes me sick. No wonder Christianity is dying everywhere first cousins can’t marry.
Zifnab
Listen, the GOP has already put forward record tax cuts for the rich. And as any right-wing demagogue will tell you, all gays are rich fashion designers living in Palm Beach condos and going to cocktail gaylas hosted by Barbra Streisan. When you think about it, they already got their tax break.
Just give it time.
DougJ
I don’t want to sound like an asshole here, but if you support a president who tortures people and lies about it, brings the country to war and lies about it, fucks the war up and lies about it, plays the guitar while people are drowning in New Orleans and lies about it, and does all of this with a bemused smirk on his face, then you’re the moral equivalent of a child molester.
I realize that may sound over the top, and I don’t think that everyone who voted for Bush in 2004 is the moral equivalent of a child molester. But if you still support him, then you are. That, or you’re a complete freaking idot. Or both.
John D.
Wow, you can’t even get the wingnut talking points right. You really ARE an idiot.
Nobody reputable disputes evolution. Or do you think that antibiotic resistant bacteria are a myth?
The correct talking point is “Prove macroevoltion”.
Again, you show yourself to be mentally deficient.
The climate IS warming — we have lots and lots of data from the last 150 years showing that. The dispute is as to WHY. Human actions are the most commonly accepted hypothesis, but the fact that global warming is occuring is not in question.
Now, since I was nice enough to answer your questions, do me the favor of answering mine. Prove the gay marriage is a threat to the institution of marriage.
Barring that, just go away. You’re getting the stupid all over my monitor, and it is hard to clean off.
jaime
Is that how you want to do this? Prove Jesus. Not some writings on scraps of paper written in Aramaic or Greek. I want to see some bones. I want a piece of the cross, or the holy grail. If there is nothing physical I can touch, then Jesus never existed.
ppGaz
Where do you normally go to do that?
{ ba – da – bing }
Richard Bottoms
Now make sure you are being clear. A Christian has gone to jail for his beliefs.
It was just that it was in Afghanistan instead of here in the USofA.
ppGaz
Chuckle! And that means that I am here in the future Canadian Desert!
You guys will love it. Cactus Jelly and Jackalope Traps with French labels!
New summer greeting: “She’s a hat one today, eh?”
jg
Of course making laws that restrict the freedom of and differentiates certain citizens is the right message to send to our kids.
Wouldn’t it be more correct to say that Rome collapsed for entirely different reasons than this, rather than ‘lesser causes’?
Some Other Brian Guy
This is the second time I’ve heard this argument from a wingnut.
The first was about two years ago, and he blamed gay marriage on the declining birth rate amongst middle class white Americans. Seriously, he made the same point that Europe was now all speaking Arabic because of their declining birthrate, etc.
Kind of bizarre.
fwiffo
GOP4Me is getting better at spoofing but still lacks DougJ’s firm subtlety and delicate touch.
jaime
Some might say Rome didn’t start falling until it became Christian.
The Other Steve
Big news today on Plame Gate.
Apparently Bush authorized Libby directly.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187153/from/RS.1/
Krista
We get cactus jelly, you get free health care.
Sounds fair to me.
Krista
Well, considering one’s age when one’s great-grandchildren start speaking coherently, crawling may be one’s only option.
Mr Furious
GOP4Me has officially crossed from the ridiculous to the subli—fucking preposterous
Please stop feeding it.
tBone
You’re a DHS employee, aren’t you?
DougJ
GOP4Me is getting better at spoofing but still lacks DougJ’s firm subtlety and delicate touch.
I appreciate the compliment, but I think that GOP4Me might be real. Most spoofers, e.g. me, Par R, tend to have a smart ass streak that lends itself to terse, ridiculous statements. The real ones tend to be longer winded and just as ridiculous, a la Jeff Goldstein. And GOP4Me fits that bill.
I could be wrong, because for all I know Goldstein is a spoof. But if Goldstein’s real, then I think GOP4Me is probably real too.
Punchy
War? On gays? You f’ing bigot. I guess because you lost The War on Blacks, you’d better fight “the war on gays”, instead. Damn uppity home-wreckers. It’s not divorce, it’s not meth, it’s certainly not poverty…its GAYS. Send in the 1st Calvary Division and the 82nd Airborn to take out San Fran. Use tanks and snipers, too, because those damn slippery gays are WILY…
jaime
Careful. In right-wingville, they are absolutely colorblind and tolerant, and if you notice any bigotry eminating from them, then it is YOU who is the bigot, for noticing bigotry where there is none. See the logic?
ppGaz
Oh yes, and the beauty of it. Their snark is all self-correcting and self-referential and totally other-blaming. It fits right in with their approach to everything, which is to never be accountable for anything. Ever. It’s perfect in its construction.
ppGaz
Sorry, by rule, you cannot refer to gays using that adjective.
DougJ
I think DHS might be a lot smarter than we think. Maybe it takes a child molester to catch a child molester.
ppGaz
Does it take a terrorist to fight terrorists, then?
yet another jeff
Sorta like a child molesting version of Frank Abagnale, Jr.?
Vlad
“This isn’t about an agency that is run by perverts. It’s about protecting America.”
Protecting America is important. I think we could all learn something from the example set by these perverts.
Pb
DougJ,
But what if Goldstein is for real, and he’s just spoofing as GOP4Me? Or vice versa?
Zifnab
In that case, heck-ova-job Doyle.
DougJ
I find it ironic that the Democrats who condemn Brian Doyle are the very same people who stood up for Saddam.
DougJ
But what if Goldstein is for real, and he’s just spoofing as GOP4Me?
I feel that there is some connection between Goldstein and GOP4Me, but I can’t put my finger on it, or as Goldstein would say, I can’t quite seem to get my finger up its…
Faux News
You haven’t lost your touch! Good point.
GOP4ME still has a long way to go although I do love the fact it is a real name of a poster on RedState. If GOP4ME mentions the “War on Christmas” which came to an abrupt end last January then his stock will soar for me.
DougJ
The war on Christmas didn’t end. In fact, the north pole has been racked by sectarian strife. Some say it’s a civil war. Others say the media just isn’t reporting the good news about the War on Christmas, because they have an anti-Santa Claus agenda.
GOP4Me
So many lies and misstatements, so little time. Where to begin with you kooks?
They didn’t smoke the document after they signed it, did they? No? So why is this relevant?
And a fine one at that, Sam Adams is good stuff.
Aaron Burr was a VIP in Tammany Hall and an early Democrat. He’d be Kerry’s Vice Presidential candidate, if he were alive today. What does that prove?
Only one man without sin, and they nailed him to a tree.
It’s funny how you go from demonizing him to lionizing him in one sentence.
The name “GOP4Me” didn’t appear anywhere in that quote.
Yeah, and they wrote all this blather down on the supplemental government documents they smoked at the meetings, right? Get real. They believed in limited government and patriotism, all right, but they also believed in national security and a strong government. The Articles of Confederation taught them a thing or two about liberal laxity…
So, you don’t pull over when police put their sirens on? What are you, a cop killer?
Good thing you aren’t. You must have about 87 warrants out on you by now, tough guy.
Russia couldn’t nuke Russia with Russia’s nukes. I’m not nuking Mexico because there’s no reason to nuke them. Not to mention the fallout and so forth. Just build a wall and keep them out, that will be fine.
No, that would be unChristian. Which I suppose counts as fear of Hellfire in your book, but which is actually based on Love. A novel concept for you, no doubt, and something you should probably do some research on.
Again…
Don’t ask me, ask Hobbes. He’s the one that said it in the first place, moonbat.
I don’t have a gay brother.
Not that you’d know this, but many church functions involve dancing and singing.
I’ll let all the missionaries know.
Except among foreigners, anyway, where it’s thriving. Thanks for playing the idiocy game, you lose, come again.
You really should hear it more often. It’s true. The Europeans invited the Muslims in, and the Muslim menace grew and flourished while Christianity dimmed and faded. I expect to see the Vatican City have a Muslim majority in my grandchildrens’ lifetime, at this rate.
I already addressed this point above. Rome fell because it persecuted Christians and ignored its military, just as America now pursues a War on Christmas and liberals mewl for a cut in military spending. The twin-pronged demon of pacifism and heathen secular atheism, ever idolatrous of Man over God, is upon us.
As for everyone who claims I’m spoofing, I’m not. I thought you people were mostly spoofers, although some of you are doing a frighteningly convincing job of portraying actual Trotskyites. I didn’t think there were this many Communists left in America, much less on one small blog. It’s a frightening thought, indeed.
May the Lord be with us all.
The Easter Bunny
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here’s a newsflash for Santa Claus, that fat fuck: Christmas was over 4 months ago and nobody gives a shit about it right now. It’s MY time of the year to shine, you tubby bitch.
I’m sick of hearing about the War on Christmas. What about the War on Easter, bitches? At least Santa has all of those twinky little elves to serve as shock troops; what do I have? Yeah, that’s right: a basket full of eggs. You think that’s going to do me any good when the unbelievers come to burn me out of my hole?
But hey, just eat your Peeps and don’t worry about the atheist hordes making a goddamn doily out of my hide. Bitches.
Davebo
As ignorant of history as everything else eh?
Well, at least your consistant.
GOP4Me
I agree, except for the spoofy snarkiness. The War on Christmas is in remission due to the end of the Christmas season. Meanwhile, we have a quiet War on Easter, as well as a full-blown War on Christianity. As evidenced by the comments of Kookistani above. Behold your ideological compatriots, moonbats!
ppGaz
I guess you weren’t here for the prerequisite class, then.
The neocons are converted Trotskyites.
Whose side are you on? Are you loyal to anything?
GOP4Me
Well, at least I can sepll teh wrod “consistent.”
Nonsense.
I’m loyal to God and country. What are you loyal to, pee pee?
gratefulcub
GOP4Me,
I truly appreciate your unflappable commitment to your character. Are the scrutator commenters in on the joke?
SeesThroughIt
You know, I went to college in North Carolina, and there was this guy who would show up on campus every so often–and apparently at a great many campuses throughout the state. He seemed fairly innocuous at first, just a 40-something guy in a somewhat old suit toting around a briefcase. You’d probably think he was an adult student (our campus had lots of those, which I thought was pretty cool).
But then he would set up shop outside the student union. He’d open up his briefcase, pull out his Bible, hold it aloft, and scream, “SINNERS!” Naturally, this got people’s attention, and then off he’d go, explaining how we’d all forsaken the lord in favor of rock music and alcohol and merry-wanna and sinful clothing and communism. We, you see, were evidence that secular sodomites were taking over the world.
Naturally, some people tried to argue with him at first, pointing out the many, many logical fallacies and contradictions in the guy’s rantings, which only made him more vehement in his looney-tunes assertions. Some people then started to snark on the guy. I just kind of stood and watched, amazed, occasionally throwing some sarcasm at him. This guy would say anything–anything–to piss people off. He seemed to get off on it, and he always justified it by literally thrusting the Bible in people’s faces. Eventually, things started getting rather unruly, as one might expect.
My friend Derek, who headed up the school’s Christian organization, eventually jumped in front of the guy and said, “This man does not speak for god, he does not speak for Jesus, and he does not speak for Christians. This is not what Christianity is all about, so please don’t think that it is.” The crowd dispersed shortly thereafter as Derek had pretty much taken the wind out of the guy’s sails.
We all started referring to the shit-stirring guy as Preacherman. If this had happened today, I think we’d be calling that guy GOP4Me. They sure seem like the same person.
jaime
You are an absolute fucking retard. Rome was Christian when it fell.
Zifnab
I’m still just waiting for some to declare the start of “The War on Everything”. What have we gone through so far? Terrorism? Drugs? Poverty? Your Neighbor? Christmas? Easter? Christianity?
For fuck’s sake, what’s left? The War on Denim? The War on Minimum Wage? The War on Bad Reality TV?
Seriously. Everything is not a climactic battle between good and evil. War on Christmas, my ass. Like we were sending paratroopers down people’s chimneys and napalming nativity scenes. At least the War in Iraq has a headcount.
GOP4Me
Is this the same Derek from the gay marriage?
John D.
I’d hold out for “The War On Nouns” (or, the less-broad-but-way-snarkier “The War On Your Mom”.)
SeesThroughIt
Well, I’m not there yet, but I am a loyal footsoldier in the War on Atrocious Grammar (the War on Merely Poor Grammar is an unwinnable quagmire).
gratefulcub
Where do I enlist?
GOP4Me
The seeds of the destruction were sown long before the flowers of death blossomed on the tree of tragedy.
So you want Santa to start whacking people? You kooks are crazy.
SeesThroughIt
Anti-Christian bigotry! You all saw it!
fwiffo
I’ve always really liked this site for general aggregated historical information and statistics about the 20th century. I bring it up because he has an a really interesting US vs. Rome comparison which has somehow come up in this thread.
GOP4Me
?? Huh? I just thought this might be the same Derek who later married Craig, thereby exposing his own lack of Christian faith, is all.
Rex
>>So you want Santa to start whacking people? You kooks are crazy.
Would it be opening up a new front in the War on Christmas (TM) if I mentioned that there is no Santa Claus?
Krista
Me is too!
DougJ
Just because we haven’t found him, doesn’t mean he wasn’t there prior the invasion.
GOP4Me
I’ve seen him posting here sometimes, although I’m pretty sure he’s a spoof.
JWeidner
Hey, he must have been at my school as well. We had kooks like that show up too. We called ’em Biblethumpers because that’s all they did – thump the Bible and claim that any dissent from their point of view was against the “good word”.
Frankly, that’s all GOP4ME is. A shrill mouthpiece who believes his faith provides all the answers he’ll ever need. We can see how well that’s worked out for a similar public figure, currently serving as “president” of this country.
On a related note, there must be a memo circulating among the nutjobs to try to raise the profile of the “War on Easter”. I had never heard of such a thing until someone wrote into my local paper (Orange County Register) and complained that because the public now popularly refers to this time of year as “Spring Break” it naturally means that the secularists are waging a war on Easter (published in a letter to the editor). Then, GOP4ME throws out the same tripe. I tell ya – there’s nothing like a persecution complex to bring out the really batty, crazy people. Next thing you know, we secularists are going to be sponsoring good ‘ole fashioned Christian burnings or feeding the Christians to the lions. We could even hold the events in the LA Coliseum for added authenticity! Right after an SC Trojans game!
jaime
WHAT?!?!?!?!?! Are you trying to say Rome fell because it persecuted Christians its ENTIRE FUCKING HISTORY? EVEN AT ITS HEIGHT! And then became Christian and fell 250 years later, because it persecuted Christians 350 years earlier?
I am so godDAMNED flabbergasted by you.
Stormy70
This makes you sound like an idiotic moonbat crazy person. I still support Bush and I am not the same as a child molestor. What a stupid thing to say. For someone who hates being called a traitor for his political views, you sure seem to throw in with the likes of the “traitor” types.
You disappoint me.
tBone
Good point. If he wasn’t there, how do you explain all of the reindeer tracks at the North Pole? And what about the red hat and shiny belt buckle that inspectors dug up in that rose garden?
Pb
SeesThroughIt,
Me too. Over at NCSU, we called him “the brickyard preacher” (the first of many), or just Gary, and we’d sit around and watch, or heckle–always a fun way to kill some time at lunch and between classes. His name is Gary Birdsong, and yes, he gets around.
And yes, all you fornicators and masturbators will burn in *HELLFIRE*! (makes dramatic bowling gesture)
jaime
Honestly he frightens me. He man not be the type to toss people into ovens, but he’s the type to think the rain of ash is actually ‘Happy Snow’.
GOP4Me
Yep, he’s beloved, and in 30 years his face will be on the $5 bill (if not the $1 bill, in fact).
The rest of your post is nonsensical lunacy. I have no comment to submit in response.
GOP4Me
Amen, Stormy. These kooks are sickening. And look what I have to put up with:
ppGaz
Oh yeah? Whose god, and which country?
None that we recognize around here, apparently.
Punchy
….
I think you mean “nation”. This guy was everywhere. Showed up on my campus, too, in the Midwest. Crazy batshit insane ramblings. Would scream “whore!” at any decent POA that floated by. I shut him up briefly once by buzzing him on my bike, but otherwise, he took perverse pleasure in simply trying to piss everyone off….
JWeidner
At least you have a sense of humor!
oh SNAP!
jaime
Honestly GOP4Me, how does it feel to be persecuted solely for your love of Christ?
LITBMueller
Wow! How the hell did we all get sidetracked into gay marriage and the fall of freakin’ Rome?!?!?! There are CHILD molestors to be concerned about, people! Mars, bitches! MARS!
That being said, we ALL know that America needs to return to the
You know, the good ole days! When black people couldn’t marry white people, it was illegal to purchase contraception, women couldn’t own property, and a man couldn’t be arrested for slapping his wife around for letting his chicken get cold!!!
Ah….those were the days….
tBone
Yep, my school too. I think the fundie bootcamps turning these guys out must all share the same curriculum.
GOP4Me
Christ, and America. You?
You don’t know the half of it.
Well, apart from the segregation things weren’t so bad then. Domestic violence is STILL a problem, thanks to your moonbat liberal criminal-coddling. I support the recriminalization of contraception. In short, the 1950s were a happier time and place, America was better and stronger, and only a loon would look at America today and think it’s in good shape.
Pb
Punchy, tBone,
Well if it was Gary, he likes the warm weather. He’s from North Carolina, but once it starts getting chilly, apparently he starts heading westward, even as far as California.
However, we’re getting back to Gary weather here in NC, so he’ll doubtless be around again, if he isn’t already.
GOP4Me
Wait a minute. You just said women couldn’t own property in the 1950s? Are you insane?
GOP4Me
So ONE guy ran around between your college campuses annoying sinners on a seasonal basis, and I’m supposed to feel guilty about it? Why?
Rex
>>only a loon would look at America today and think it’s in good shape.
B-b-but…what about the Bush tax cuts? What about this economy being fundamentally strong? What about the DJIA at its highest level in five years? What about record home-ownership and almost full employment? What about the envy of the world?
Say it ain’t so.
The terrorists have won. I blame Brokeback Mountain.
jaime
I guess the thought of duck and cover drills, giving your liberal commie neighbor names to the feds, and sexual suppression makes you absolutely giddy.
HOW OLD WERE YOU IN THE 50’s?
Pb
GOP4Me,
Pay attention, man–it’s more than one guy (much like you, Santa Claus, Stormy, Par R, Darrell, Brian, and the many faces of DougJ). One time, he even had some idiot with him who was an even bigger asshole–he would hold up pictures of aborted fetuses over *lunch* (obviously, he didn’t stick around for long after that stunt). Gary, however, is perhaps one of the most recognizable of the bunch, due to his idiocy (much like you), his omnipresence (much like DougJ), and his flamboyance.
SeesThroughIt
Holy crap, Pb, tBone, and Punchy, that’s the guy! I had no idea he was that widespread and well-known. HELLFIRE!
gratefulcub
And you still take GOP4ME seriously???? Have you looked at Scrutator? He has one upped DougJ by being just nasty enough to seem legit instead of just repeating talking points.
t. jasper parnell
This claim
“It fell after the emperors persecuted Christians, weakening the military in the process. By the time the empire had turned to the light, it was too late to save it.”
is wrong. It is true that persecution preceeded collapse, but it is not true that persecution weakened the military.
Trajan persecuted Christians, although mildly (See the Pliny-Trajan correspondence), as did the other “Five Good Emperors,” as god ole EG called them, and Rome enjoyed a period of prosperity and successful military action during their reigns. One reason for the persecution of Xtians was, in fact, the Roman conviction that they would not fight for the Empire, Xtiany being, after all, a religion of peace and love.
As EG put it “As the happiness of a future life is the great object of religion, we may hear, without surprise or scandal, that the introduction, or at least the abuse, of Christianity had some influence on the decline and fall of the Roman empire. The clergy successfully preached the doctrines of patience and pusillanimity; the active virtues of society were discouraged; and the last remains of the military spirit were buried in the cloister.”
To be sure he pointed out that “If the decline of the Roman empire was hastened by the conversion of Constantine, his victorious religion broke the violence of the fall, and mollified the ferocious temper of the conquerors.”
The Other Steve
He reminds me of talking to this guy Peter at work. The conversation starts off reasonable enough, but the further you go the more whacked out he becomes.
I think him and that site is legit. I mean, compare it to atlasshrugged, or proteinwisdom, redstate, lgf, etc. and they’re all that whacked out.
I kind of prefer that style of wingnut. It’s the guys like scs and brian who think they are being reasonable when they’re really quite whacked out radical that drive me nuts.
LITBMueller
GOP4ME, I didn’t say “back in the 50’s,” but I WAS thinking of the 50’s….the 1850’s!!!!!!!
gratefulcub
Not buying it.
Don’t get me wrong, I am in no way on a mission to out him. I think it is hilarious that he has a GOP spoof site that is as good as it is, with commenters eating it up.
But, Cynthia McKinney to Gitmo? If I were trying to see how absurd I could be, and still get agreement from the fringe, that is the exact statement I would make.
I support the criminalization of contraception? again, that is the perfect statement.
Anyone so extreme as to believe in the criminalization of contraception could not flame on this site and never be personally offended. He just fires back over the top rhetoric, but it never has a hint of true anger. Those that really believe christians are the persecuted 80% are very sensitive, and occasionally snap. Not this guy.
ppGaz
Uh, Christ was a man, not a god.
America? Not the America I know about. You’re a parody of an American. You’re a cartoon.
gratefulcub
No, he is a Colbert
John D.
Why? Are you aroused by suffering or something? If you are referring to the Pill, I strongly suggest you check out the June 2001 issue of “American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology”, where a startling 94% of women in the study reported that their quality of life improved or dramatically improved due to the menstrual regulating effects of extended use of the Pill.
If you are referring to condoms, then fuck you. They are by far the most effective method at preventing transmission of STD and pregnancy known. (And yes, I’m including abstinence. Every study that follows abstinence has shown it to NOT WORK, since people still like to fuck. Amazing. And when they do, whadda ya know, they don’t have a condom handy!)
Seriously, do you get off on pain or something? Why would you want the couple that wants to wait to have their child until they can afford him or her to become criminals? You do realize that’s an effect, yes? Do you support criminalization of masturbation, too?
Oh, and since you’re back from your “back to work” hiatus, perhaps you could get on answering the “How does gay marriage threaten the institution of marriage?” question posed way upthread?
Don’t worry, I don’t really expect you to answer any of this. This is more for anyone who might be fooled by your line of bullshit.
Paul Wartenberg
If I can hijack this thread back to some level of sanity… I’ve been checking the USAjobs site for DHS openings and, while they’ve got 239 openings overall, I haven’t seen any openings yet in the PR arm or in the Operation: Predator management. Dammit, you’d think they’d be hiring soon in those positions…
DougJ
This makes you sound like an idiotic moonbat crazy person. I still support Bush and I am not the same as a child molestor. What a stupid thing to say. For someone who hates being called a traitor for his political views, you sure seem to throw in with the likes of the “traitor” types.
You disappoint me.
I’m sorry to say it, because I do like you, Stormy. But you’re too decent a person to support this guy.
gratefulcub
It’s the perfect political storm.
GOP in need of a new topic before midterms
High profile arrest of a government official
On the same day that a kid is testifying to Congress about sexual predators on-line
Republicans are going to attempt to make this a huge political issue. The DHS guy was a republican, so they can act like they aren’t partisan by going after one of their own.
We will have dueling sexual internet predator bills for 8 months. The 24 hour news networks will be all over it, because sex sells (even sex with 14 year olds sells).
I, for one, do not look forward to it.
fwiffo
Well, the ’50s weren’t exactly the happy funland the conservatives made them out to be, but they weren’t all bad. There were presidents that said things like this:
Whatever happened to Republicans like that?
gratefulcub
DougJ,
In all fairness, saying that someone who supports Bush is the moral equivalent of a child molestor is beyond stupid.
Pb
SeesThroughIt,
You’re welcome. Gary is quite the character, all right. And guys, if any of you see him again, tell him that some people from NCSU class of 2000/2001 say hi. :)
Zifnab
I agree. A better analogy would be Bush as the child molester and his supporters as NAMBLA.
Pb
The Other Steve,
You forgot Free Republic–although Red State has been making them look sane from time to time.
gratefulcub,
Personally, I hope they’re all spoofers–but that still wouldn’t explain their election results and policy support in this country. I almost liked it better when the crazy mobs had to hide in the shadows, leaving us to wonder if they were actually that bad, instead of constantly piping up so as to remove all doubt. :(
SeesThroughIt
Also several members of the UNCG class of 1998.
Man, I’m still reeling from this! I really had no idea how widespread the man, the myth, the legend of Gary Birdsong was/is. From what I understood, he just kinda hit all the major campuses in the Piedmont Triad and Research Triangle areas, which is a big enough undertaking, but dude is really getting out and about, it sounds like. And I never knew his name, either.
Punchy
I also hope you support huge tax increases to fund orphanages, foster homes, STD clinics, and lots and lots of money enforcing paternity tests and deadbeat dads.
And buy some stock in coat hanger manufacturers, too.
Pb
SeesThroughIt,
Also, I believe he’s funded by some organization of churches or another, much as some of his fellow nutty preachers are, but I never looked into it in any great detail. But, not a bad life for a nutty itinerant preacher, I guess–you get to preach at scenic college campuses on nice days, and get out all your aggressions by belittling all the nice people walking by who actually pay money to go there, most of whom are (a) already Christian, and (b) way smarter than you. Must be nice…
I wonder if, say, the Flying Spaghetti Monster folks could fund a few of us to slack off for a while… :)
LITBMueller
Nah. I bet he’d see them as a source of cheap labor once we kick all them there “illegals” out, a la Dana Rohrabacher.
Zifnab
That would be just a bunch of government handouts. I support a plan to create millions of foster home savings accouts, or as I like to call it, the FHSA program. Basically, a child devotes all his income during his 9-months in the uterus to a set of privately controlled savings accounts where he can actively grow and invest his own money. The government will match every dollar the child saves, up until his birth date, and then the money will be freed up so that the child can choose his own foster home or adoption plan.
In the era of Reaganite personal responsibility, it’s time to stop letting our youngest dependents suck at the teat of the federal government. A system like this will reward the savy and responsible newborn while not placing undo burden on the working class American – like Donald Trump – so we can pass the savings back to you, the tax payer, in the form of giant corporate welfare checks and tax cuts for the people who need it most, those in the highest tax bracket.
DougJ
In all fairness, you can kiss my ass. That said, here is how supporting Bush makes you the moral equivalent of a child molester: someone with pedophilic tendencies undboubtedly knows it is wrong to molest children and yet they do it anyway in order to satisy that their urges; Republicans with IQs over 80 know that it is wrong to support Bush, but they do it anyway, so “their side can win”.
I think it’s a fair comparison.
ppGaz
Well without looking it up, that sounds like Eisenhower.
I liked Ike. But you gotta remember that alongside him were the likes of the evil Dulles brothers. They were so bad they almost make the Bushies look like Teletubbies by comparison.
Andrew
Gary is back! He never really left, actually, and has been around every few weeks this year at UNC. It actually gets more amusing going into summer, when it gets hot and he starts sweating like a waterfall.
GOP4Me makes Gary look like a radical feminist.
Gary Farber
“Gary, that’s like arguing that, since the Pentagon has 26,000 employees in it, we shouldn’t be surprised that one or two is a raging anarchist hell bent on destroying the military industrial complex.”
Actually, it’s not like arguing anything, since I made no argument whatever. I merely pointed out that it was statistically inevitable.
“If we were talking about WalMart here, your playing with numbers would be reasonable. But, since DHS is supposed the central coordinating executive branch department in charge of protecting this nation from both foreign and domestic threats, I think it is imminently reasonable to expect DHS not to employ sexual predators as THE FREAKING SPOKESPERSON, at least.”
Good thing I didn’t suggest anything in the least contrary. That you can find 3 such people out of 183,000, however, doesn’t suggest a trend; it suggests the Law Of Large Numbers. If you’d like to argue with it, be my guest. If you wish to denigrate math as “playing with numbers,” also feel free.
ppGaz
What did I say earlier about the Republicans and their carefully constructed avoidance of any responsibility, ever, for anything?
See, if a rash of sexual predator arrests happens at DHS, it’s a statistical inevitability. Nothing to see here, move along.
I continue to believe that you cannot invent these motherfuckers as fictional characters because nobody would believe them.
“Motherfuckers,” of course, is just a figure of speech. I am not suggesting that anyone actually had sex with that woman, Mrs. Robinson, or with anyone.
Today, mind you, we had news that a president who seems to have started a war based on what he called “flawed intelligence” has full power over intelligence, by, say, declassifying it out to the press whenever he takes a notion. So intelligence is his plaything, when it suits him, but bedevils him when he isn’t looking, I guess.
This whoe president thing is just hard work, that’s the message that I’m getting here.
Richard 23
Wsit for Go P 4 Me to point out how unhinged and screechy Eisenhauer got towards the end of his term. Military-industrial complex? What an unhinged moonbat!
Kimmitt
“If God is just, I tremble for my country.”
-Thomas Jefferson
Okay, are you seriously this disingenuous in general, or are you farting around? The question isn’t whether or not 3 out of 183k people are sexual predators, the question is whether or not 3 out of the 30 or so highest-ranking bureaucrats, all of whom have PASSED SECURITY CHECKS are sexual predators.
One of these things is inevitable. The other most certainly is not, and your self-important posturing has to be a giveaway that you know you’re blowing smoke up our asses.
Kimmitt
Anyways, we’ve already established that GOP4Me pretty much rejects the Enlightenment and is a Social Darwinist. What’s the point of engagement? He’s a thug, he likes being a thug, and he’s happy that the guy in charge of the country right now is a thug, too. End of conversation, end of story, see you at the ballot box.
Pb
ppGaz,
IOKIYAR. However, according to those self-same idiots, Ward Churchill and Cindy Sheehan secretly run the Democratic party, so go figure…
ppGaz
Yes, Pb, but the important thing is, we finally have a president who will restore honor and trust to the White House. A uniter, not a divider.
Remember that, when the day seems dark and your heart is heavy.
Zifnab
Seriously, I’m just waiting for these three guys to be linked to some sort of wide-scale kiddy sex ring being run out of the DHS office space.
I can’t argue that with a staff of 183,000 there will exist a number of pedophiles. However, if you shake a haystack and 3 needles fall out, what are the odds that they were the only three needles. It’s classic statistical theory. What are the odds of a single individual being a child molester? Now what are the odds of said individual getting caught?
So if the 3 men caught represent only 5% of the sexual predators in the DHS, does that mean, statistically, that there are at approximately 55 more child molesters working among the staffers of our highest branches of law enforcement that we just haven’t caught yet?
I mean, one of those guys was a Deputy Press Secretary. That’s upper management. Does that mean there are 19 other members of upper management who actively solicite sex from minors?
That’s a few too many in my book.
The Other Steve
Thank you. Whenever I think of the incompetence and spiteful partisanship coming out of DC, I am comforted by that reminder.
He certainly has changed the tone in Washington, on that he was certainly committed.
Bob In Pacifica
Don’t expect the Republican Party, which has spent the last fifty years saying that the government can’t solve individual’s problems, to be capable of actually running the government. They convinced themselves it was impossible before they got in power, so what was left for them to do but bring in cronies and fill pockets?
Paul L.
ppGaz/DougJ care to comment?
Using your logic All Democrats are pedophiles.
DHS Child Sex Sting Official Is A Democrat
It appears some of the mud that you were throwing will hit the Democrats.
Question: I thought a pedophile was an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children (a person between birth and puberty).
Since Brian J. Doyle was attempting to arrange sexual relations with what he believed to be a 14-year-old female, is pedophile the correct term?
vetiver
Ephebephilia is the clinical term for an adult whose primary sexual attraction is to adolescents. So if we were, say, trying to fit Mr. Doyle into a DSM classification, your point would have a point. However, the crime he committed — if any — is determined entirely by legal statute.
But give it a whirl, PaulL. Maybe the “technically it’s not pedophilia!” defense will be a winner for someone, if not you.
Similarly, I hope GOP4play rises to a leadership position in his party. Once the Republicans openly state their intent to criminalize contraception and divorce and overturn the separation of church and state, they’ll be out of power and howling in the wilderness for decades to come.
Paul L.
So the many of the Cathotic Priests involved in the scandal were Homosexual Ephebephilies(sp?) instead of pedophiles as described by the mainstream media?
Pedophile has a uglier connotation than Ephebephilie(sp?) which is why I pointing out how the media like to use that term when describing Ephebephilies(sp?).
Vetiver, Nice of you to accuse me of being a Ephebephilie or a pedophile for pointing out the difference. For a tolerant bunch who accept all lifestyles, you liberals sure like to paint your opponents as Homosexual/Ephebephilies/pedophiles.
MAX HATS
At State, they mostly bugger antelope.
The Secret Service turn their attention on each other. And with those flashly sunglasses and two thousand dollar suits, can you really blame them?
Current FCC regulations forbid me from explaining what Army Corps of Engineers employees “do” in their free time. I can’t even say it on the internet. It’s that bad.