Today Alex Pareene is my hero:
On 9/12, people in New York (and DC) did not feel as “great” as Glenn Beck. They just felt like shit. They felt scared and confused and depressed… And only an idiot or an actual terrorist would want to always feel like it was 9/12/01. And eight years later, normal people, with brains and souls, have decided that some emotional distance from that disaster is healthier and wiser than trying to recapture the dread.
So thank fucking christ that the Commander in Chief is no longer subjecting the nation to death porn.
No, this year it’s limited to a nutty little cult leader on basic cable who is encouraging his radicalized band of fanatical followers to invade the cities where the tragedy actually happened in order to shock the populace back into fear.
Glenn Beck is an actual terrorist, and the people attending his rally in DC tomorrow are al-Qaeda in America.
Debbie(aussie)
Wow! How amazing is that. Someone speaking the truth, heaven forfend!
someguy
Well, at least some people are willing to take on right wing terrorists from time to time. Looks like Nancy is getting ready to have the House next week.
It’s not an Act of Attainder or even expulsion from the House, but I’ll settle for it. Well, that, and removal from all the committees he serves on.
someguy
“censure Joe Wilson” next week.
Stupid HTML fail…
Balconesfault
It is a cult, and it is porn. These mofos are freaking fear fetishists, which is why they project onto Obama all of their worst impulses, trying to see in him the rot that’s at their own core.
drillfork
9-11-01 was an awful day. Coincidentally, 9-11-09 wasn’t great, either:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/thatll-show-em-by-digby-well-this.html
Anyone know how I can become an undocumented alien so I don’t have to buy the crappy insurance?
Xenos
@drillfork: Become an undocumented alien in another country.–generally one that is not so thickly beset by powerful sociopaths. Should not be so hard to find one.
A Mom Anon
Any proof you might need that fear and anger are truly addictive should end with these jackasses. I cannot imagine what it’s like to live in the same house with any of these people.
Actually I do know what it’s like,but I’ll spare you the rant about my very christian parents and siblings. Fear and anger cause brain damage in large doses. It makes people relentlessly mean too,horribly mean.
kommrade reproductive vigor
With these shitheels it isn’t just the fear boners, it’s the excuse to indulge in obnoxious behavior towards “the other.” Note that there is not now, nor has there ever been a 4/20 movement.
Whatever, even though they’re stinking up my city, the thought that they’re becoming the face of the average GOP voter makes me smile.
Evie
Are the people tomorrow planning to organize and kill people? Because that’s what al Qaeda in America would mean.
I agree with everything up to there, and you have to ruin the piece by apparently not knowing the difference between protesting and murdering.
asiangrrlMN
Very powerful. I have hit outrage fatigue to the point where I had blocked out the whole stupid 9/12 projects. Glenn Beck is such a disgusting piece of shit.
@Evie: She didn’t write it. She’s quoting it.
Maude
It’s drama of the day-day after day, after day, after day…
geg6
Evie: Well, my friend who had to choose between his family’s future well being and his own mortal life because his health insurance company cut him off and who we buried a few weeks back (guess which alternative he chose) would beg to differ with you. These asshats are advocating and celebrating my friend’s death and that of millions of others like him. So I really don’t see how you can argue that they are doing anything OTHER than organizing to kill people. They may not be doing it by flying planes into skyscrapers, but the effect of what they are working toward is infinitely more destructive to life.
Ash Can
@Evie: I agree insofar as Beck and his ilk don’t directly encourage their followers to commit murder, mass or otherwise, and don’t train them to do it. They do it instead by innuendo, coded speech, or simply fanning the flames of anger and fear. Then, if and when something hits the fan, they’re technically innocent. Just like holding a torch near a dynamite fuse doesn’t mean you’re actually lighting it, but shoot, if the wind happens to blow a certain way, you can’t help that.
El Cid
Remember, the people who understood 9/11/2001 the best weren’t those urbanite fancy talkin’ latte-sippin’ city folk in New York City and Washington DC.
No, the TRUE meaning of 9/11/2001 was only grasped by angry piss-pants right wingers in South Stumblefuck County, Oklahoma, and the East Shit-head Fire District, Georgia, and of course the great 57th Soil Conservation District of Fucktard, Arizona.
We don’t want to hear from no damn big talkin’ East Coasters in NYC or DC with their damn traitor lovin’ surrendercrat talk.
On today of all days, we need to hear just from the people what unnerstood 9/11 all along — angry, bitter, white rural and rural-fetishizer right wingers afraid that a Moozlim or Kenyo-Nesian black Preznit will reach up from underneath the bed and touch them unwelcomely in their special place.
Woodrowfan
The morning of the 12th there were fire engines and police EVERYWHERE in DC and a sense of fear. I spent the night in an evacuated building in DC (I was a govie then) working to keep the IT systems working for the few people who didn’t evacuate as the hunt for those responsible began. The guards took my name as I went into the building on the afternoon of the 11th so if there was another attack they’d be able to ID the bodies better. I worked a 16 hour overnight shift, trying to do my part to help, wondering the whole time if there would be another attack, watching the WTC fall over and over again on the news. When I left work to try and get some sleep (HA!) there was still smoke rising over the Pentagon.
Glenn Beck is lower than scum. The teabaggers are slime.
Woodrowfan
and oh yeah, those of us in DC who were wondering if another attack was coming, but who still did our jobs, thought Bush was a friggin coward for running around the country in Air Force One. I still think he’s a pissy pants little coward.
mickey g
When exactly was the day that Glen Beck decided that the 9/11 victimes’ families were a bunch of crybabies and he was sick of hearing them bellyaching about it ?
El Cid
<blockquote”âYou know it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victims’ families? Took me about a year,â Beck said in 2005, while discussing Katrina refugees at the point when the feds were handing out cash cards to thousands of desperate people. âBut the second thought I had when I saw these people and they had to shut down the Astrodome and lock it down, I thought: I didnât think I could hate victims faster than the 9-11 victims,â Beck said.
Your 9/12 hero, Glenn Blecch.
mclaren
Here’s some perspective on 9/11: 2993 people died.
138,000 people died in a cyclone in Bangladesh in 1991.
100,000 people died in a flood along the Yangtze River in China in 1932.
110,000 people died in an earthquake in Turkmenistan, Russia in 1948.
142,000 people died in the Changiyang River flood in China in 1932.
142,000 people died in the great Shinsai Earthquake and subsequent fire in Japan in 1923.
200,000 people died in he Kansu earthquake in China in 1920.
200,000 people died in the Nanshan earthquake in Chian in 1927.
500,000 people died in the Hunan province flood in China in 1939.
900,000 people died in the Yellow River flood in China in 1877.
2,000,000 people died in the North China flood of 1959.
3,700,000 people died in the Yangtze-Kiang River flood in China in 1931.
500,000 Americans died of the Spanish flu between 1918 and 1919.
7,000 women die every year in India due to bride-burning (the husband throws kerosene on his wife and sets it on fire) due to an insufficient dowry
78,000 people died in Burma (Myanmar) in the 2008 typhoon.
5,000 people died in the Yogyakarta earthquake in Java in 2006.
73,000 people died in the earthquake in Pakistan in 2005.
3,300 people died in the floods in Haiti in 2004.
40,000 people died in the earthquake in Bam, Iran in 2003.
20,000 people died in the earthquake in Norther Venezuela in 1999.
10,000 people died in the flood from a tsunami in Eastern India.
17,000 people died in an earthquake in Izmit, Turkey in 1999.
6,000 people died in the earthquake in Kobe, Japan in 1995.
43,000 people die in traffic accidents every year in America.
Think about those numbers.
Then think about the number 2993.
2993 people died on September 11.
Has America’s response to 9/11 been proportional? Has it been reasonable? Has it made sense?
Zach
Anyone get a chance to watch the teabagtastic ACORN sting video – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UOL9Jh61S8 – everyone involved in being in or producing that video is a moron. I mean at least do some research before posing as a pimp and ho in Baltimore. If you don’t look like a man, no one’s going to believe you.
El Cid
I don’t know what happened. Here’s the whole Glenn Blecch quote, and link again, and apparently nobody ever figured out why we can’t have normal blockquoting here like you get on most any other blog.
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âYou know it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victimsâ families? Took me about a year,â Beck said in 2005, while discussing Katrina refugees at the point when the feds were handing out cash cards to thousands of desperate people.
âBut the second thought I had when I saw these people and they had to shut down the Astrodome and lock it down, I thought: I didnât think I could hate victims faster than the 9-11 victims,â Beck said.
And of the stranded Katrina victims? âThatâs all weâre hearing about, are the people in New Orleans. Those are the only ones weâre seeing on television are the scumbags.â
Link
El Cid
Broke teh blog?
JGabriel
JGabriel
Pareene:
And terrified, paranoid, shocked, traumatized, and angry. And helpless and powerless.
I suspect it’s the powerlessness that Beck most wants to bring back.
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eastriver
I’ll buy the idea that Beck and his Beckensniffs are terrorists. But don’t use the al Qaeda. That’s hyperbolic bullshit. They aren’t trying to bring down our society, or kill thousands of people. Yes, they’re using terror, but in a non-violent way.
The difference is critical. The al Qaeda thing is cute, but irresponsible. Like something the other side would side.
WE ARE NOT THEM.
Grow up.
eastriver
(sorry for all the typos. In a hurry to get my daughter to gymnastics.)
cs
Closing italics?
bernini
el cid: East Shit-head Fire District, Georgia still has Buggery laws on the books but I believe Glenn could still show up there and find him a nice pony or alpaca. No one would press charges unless he were to start bragging about it via a hot mic.
mclaren: not sure what your point is, but I for one can do with less false equivalence in my life. A cage match of Mother Nature v al Qaeda? hmmm….how about:
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
for starters and then maybe throw in the bride burning?
cs
Hrm.. didn’t work.
raholco
Glenn Beck isn’t part of the American Taliban-he’s Hitler re-incarneted, with his brown-shirt followers turning in folks who disagree with what he says.
Look at the parallels between post-WWI German and where we are today.
Think it can’t happen here?
@mclaren-you forgot:
140,000 died in the Hiroshima Atomic bombing
80,000 died in the Nagasaki Atomic bombing
Flugelhorn
Seriosuly. Over the top much?
Flugelhorn
@Woodrowfan: Then you are fool, aren’t you?
Flugelhorn
@Ash Can: Thats it. Mold it. Shape it. Squeeze it into the container you want. It is your reality. We just sit and observe while we wait for the pied friggin’ piper.
J
As I remember things, in the days after the event the most notable thing both here and abroad was, amidst much confusion and fear, an enormous outpouring of sympathy and fellow feeling for the victims. After that I watched with growing horror as George Bush, his government and his party decided that 9/11 was a golden opportunity to exploit the fear and confusion to further an unrelated agenda, an insane war of vanity in Iraq and the concentration of more, ever more wealth and privilege in the hands of our cosseted, coddled plutocracy.
It’s to that era of boundless cynicism that Glen Beck would like to return.
JGabriel
@Evie:
Some of the protesters have carried guns. It seems advisable to assume they plan or hope to use them at some point.
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jennifer
Let me see, people who have not flown planes into buildings- are terrorists?
You are a dumbass……and your little cult following is hilarious. This is not about Glenn Beck, but the complete loss of reality that you have.
One wonders when clarity will kick in for you? Will it be like the elite in Germany who never thought it would happen to them? Are you cozy in thinking that your team is so correct that half of the nation is crazy?
Most often this behavior has had historical consequences that have been horrific…Cambodia, Afghanistan, Germany(and Europe) ………
When they take the crazies like Beck and those who rally…who will stand in front of you to keep you safe?
Signed a glenn beck terrorist
SGEW
The italics! They Burn!
JenJen
You know, I traveled to DC for two of the largest anti-war marches, one at the dawn of the Iraq War and the other in the fall of 2007 when the surge was being planned.
Just some observations while watching this coverage on TV:
These people look an awful lot different than we did. They’re sooooo much older. I’m trying to wrap that around my head.
We had Billionaires for Bush (they were AWESOME), CodePink, and some pretty cool puppets (although there were always more of those for the west coast marches). And still, I can assure you the Teabag crowd is WAY may into costumes than we were.
There are a lot of them, and their numbers are growing.
They’re going to get a helluva lot more press coverage than we did, which is going to be worth noting in the coming days.
This press coverage could be a curse, though… guarantee you we’re going to get a LOT of really dumb comments out of these people.
Svensker
@jennifer:
When they take the crazies like Beck and those who rallyâŠwho will stand in front of you to keep you safe?
Glenn Beck and the Teabaggers are keeping me safe? Well, I never.
bernini
el cid: …sincere apologies, I forgot to mention that they also have a few mangy oxen walking the corner of Spruce and 12th Streets. Glenn should definitely head over in that direction if he wants a little action when passing through East Shit-head Fire District. Let’s just hope he uses protection since it is unconfirmed whether bovine spongiform has jumped from cows to oxen.
Svensker
OK, I’ll try again (where’s the edit function? and why the ital?):
Glenn Beck and the Teabaggers are keeping me safe? Well, I never.
Svensker
Third time’s a charm.
@jennifer:
Glenn Beck and the Teabaggers are keeping me safe? Well, I never.
Svensker
Hah.
JGabriel
jennifer:
What are you talking about? What is “it” that you are keeping us safe from?
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geg6
jennifer: I hope you are snarking, but if not, you are in fact the dumbass. I certainly hope you never have to make the decision that my friend made, but I have no confidence that you won’t since you seem to believe that terrorism is about how many people are killed. Terrorism is nothing more than a political tactic meant to scare people into going along with a particular political faction. No one has to die in spectacular fashion to make it effective (though there are some Unitarians, OB/GYNs, and museum guards who would say that has alreaady happened). All that has to happen is that people are intimidated and frightened enough to not fight back. Bullying people in health crises, shouting down opposition, and openly carrying weapons to political meetings and rallies are forms of political intimidation and are indeed forms of terrorism.
JGabriel
@JenJen:
The Tea Partiers have some very strange fetishes.
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geg6
Oh, and if I have to rely on Glen Beck and Teabaggers to keep me safe, I’d rather be dead.
JGabriel
@geg6:
Actually, I think I could live with that. I’m pretty okay with them dying first.
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Gus
@jennifer:
Christ, when I need halfwits like you to keep me safe, I’ll be ready to pack it in. Holding a sign and shouting “Wolverines!” may be fun to children, but adults have responsibilities to move this country forward.
mclaren
Yes, I think it can’t happen here.
There’s a vast difference between hijacking an airplane and building and then delivering a nuclear bomb.
Your analogy is complete horseshit. It’s made-up delusion. I have to conclude that you’re either drunk, brain-damaged, or on hard drugs to say something as stupid and as grotesquely contrary of fact as “Think {Hirsohima or Nagasaki] can’t happen here?”
Here’s a wake-up call from reality, fool: Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the end result of 3 years of intensive work by tens of thousands of people and the expenditure of 2 billion 1945 dollars by one of the richest and most technologically sophisticated countries on the planet.
The 9/11 hijackings were the end result of 19 guys with box cutters who spent their time skulking around in caves in Waziristan.
If you think there’s even the remotest analog between 9/11 and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you’re drunk or so stupid you must have gone through the Express Lane at brith — 15 IQ POINTS OR LESS.
You obviously don’t jack dick about nuclear technology, so let me clue you in on some of the basic realities: plutonium doesn’t exist in nature, it has to be created by exposing uranium to slow neutrons inside a nuclear reactor. Then the plutonium has to be chemically separated from the isotopic uranium using some of the most toxic chemicals on earth, including hexafluoride compounds that will eat your skin away down to the bone, and which explode in contact with oxygen.
Then, you’ve got the plutonium, you need to set up several hundred shaped explosive charges using specialized nuclear triggers which detonate within less than one 1/100,000,000 of a second of one another, the mean free path of a neutron inside the confined space of the core of a nuclear weapon.
Oh, but wait..that’s just the start. In order to initiate the nuclear reaction, you need a neutron absorber that will re-radiate the energy of initial chain reaction ,and to do that you need to use a very special kind of lathe to shape a piece of beryllium into a three dimensional contour with more accuracy than the wavelength of visible light, and you have to do it inside an airtight chamber filled with one of the noble gases — typically argon.
Hey, spit-for-brains! There’s a Lreason why only nation-states build nuclear weapons. Because it’s hard. It’s really, REALLY hard to build a nuclear weapon. It takes the full resources of an entire nation-state to do it.
And THAT’S why I “don’t think it can happen here,” and that’s why you would too if you knew anything at all about modern weapons technology.
Every time someone points out 9/11 was tragic but a trivial loss of life in the grand scheme of things, some kook always brings up nuclear terrorism.
Here’s a clue for you, genius…America is on top of the nuclear terrorism issue. We’ve got that one covered. I know you’re too ignorant and too stupid and too warpped up in your hysterical fears of Al Qaeda guys with nukes lurking under your bed to be aware of the documented facts, but you know what? People who have not been driven mad with mindless fear have actually studied the news and paid attention, and here’s a news falsh for you…
…America is now bristling with radiation detectors. Al Aqaeda doesn’t had a god damn chance of sneaking even a polonium initiator into an American port without every security agency in the U.S. descending on them with so many SWAT teams and so many snipers and so many armed DHS guys they’ll blot out the sun. As proof of which, check out this news story.
Yes, Department of Homeland Security radiation scanning technology picked up a cat (!) that had been given radiation therapy in a car with a guy travelling along I-5. They pulled the guy over and searched the car and then they figured out what was going on.
Now, if you were anything more than a dumb-as-spit mouth-breathing far-right empty-headed hear-crazed troll, you’d know that we’ve already got the nuclear terrorism issue under control, and we’ve had it under control for years, and THAT’s why “it can’t happen here.”
Go crawl back in your cave and tremble with mindless terror. The rest of us have a real world to live in.
Leelee for Obama
@geg6: This is a corollary to my sentiment when someone told me that one day, Bush the Lesser and Cheney would be proven right. I don’t want to live in a world where Bush the Lesser and Cheney were right.
General Winfield Stuck
Mark Mckinnon
This ought to be interesting.
SFAW
“Let me see, people who have not flown planes into buildings- are terrorists?”
I just checked Teh Terrists’s’s Official Handbook, and you’re right. It says right there on page 27 “Unless you fly a plane into a large building in New York City or Washington, D.C, you are not a terrorist. Even blowing up buildings of the Great Satan, located in Oklahoma City, is not terrorism. Unless you are brownish. Inshallah!”
This may be a difficult concept for you to wrap yer purty li’l head around, but: you don’t need to kill thousands to be a terrorist (although I’m sure that adds to your street cred). All you need to do is engender or inspire fear in others, as a means of achieving political goals.
“When they take the crazies like Beck and those who rallyâŠwho will stand in front of you to keep you safe?”
Don’t need anyone to stand in front of me to protect me – that’s for the scared little children known as teabaggers, birthers, Beckites, and so forth. The DFHs don’t ask others to sacrifice themselves on the DFH’s behalf. I realize this doesn’t exactly fit with your Bizarro-World outlook, but you’ll get used to the cognitive dissonance – hell, you schmoes have been dealing with it for so long, it’s old hat.
Leelee for Obama
@mclaren: I’m gonna go smoke a cigarette now. Thanks!
JenJen
Huh. CNN tells me this march is MASSIVE and 30,000 people are expected to attend.
At the anti-war marches on DC that I attended, we had hundreds of thousands. And nowhere near this level of media coverage. Gosh. Nobody could have predicted…
DecidedFenceSitter
Heh. Running errands this morning I hit the Lowes a couple exits down, as I got back on the interstate to head north (I live 30 miles south of DC), I got to see one of the protesters – big old truck with hand crafted signs with all the usual beckisms including, “Got Beck!” Wish I had a passenger in the car so they could have taken the picture, it was truly a sight to see.
Corner Stone
@jennifer: I’ve just never understood the end goal of the 9-12 Project. It seems Beck wants to “take us back to the way we felt on that day” for some purpose.
Everyone I knew or spoke with about the time immediately after 9-11, myself included, were either heartbroken, confused, or angry. Or more commonly a mix of those defensive mental states.
Not really a solid place to make decisions from, or to invoke again if you ask me.
IdahoSpud
mclaren wrote
Uloborus
Yeah, I think comparing Beck to Al Qaeda is too extreme and a false equivilancy. Labeling these people ‘terrorists’ might not be. They certainly are trying to use fear and intimidation to further their political aims, but I think there’s a difference between passively encouraging violence and actively trying to kill civilians on a large and deliberate scale.
I mean, there are despicable consequences for their attitudes that they don’t want to admit, yes. Unstable people are listening to Beck preach revolution, and may be pushed over the edge by the fear he works hard to create in them. Their basic goals themselves are callously indifferent to death and human suffering. But it’s not the same to me. Beck may fetishize revolution in his speeches, but he’s running his mouth off. He’s not working for it.
IdahoSpud
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Leelee for Obama
geg6
JenJen: Wow, 30,000 huh? The anti-war rally I attended in the Oakland section of Pittsburgh had about that many and we didn’t get any 24/7 coverage or astroturfing sponsors. No puppets either. Just a bunch of DFH nuns and college students and young families and Vietnam vets and middle aged professionals. But then we weren’t Very Serious People like the Teabaggers are.
Corner Stone
@mclaren:
Then they shall fight in the shade.
Comrade Darkness
Boy, El Cid. Congrats on the tagging ;-)
I’m viewing source and don’t see how to fix it it’s so weird.
Calling it pornographic is effective, I think. And accurate. The people farthest from what happened are getting off on their victimhood because by some twisted method they’ve managed to use it to give their lives purpose. Their lives must have been mighty empty, that’s all I can say.
JGabriel
@Uloborus:
Well, he’s doing a flawless imitation of working for it then.
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JenJen
@geg6: I know! I was surprised to hear that number, and I thought maybe CNN was saying that 30,000 had shown up so far. But they kept saying, “Organizers expect 30,000+ people to march.” So they’re getting that number from Dick Armey himself!
Yes, the anti-war marches I attended didn’t get promoted 24/7 on the nation’s #1 cable news network, either! And still, the people came, in much larger numbers.
As an aside, these italics are giving me a bit of a headache.
JGabriel
JenJen:
They do tend to make everything seem much more portentous (the italics, that is, though I suppose the same could be said for the teabaggers too). It’s kind of like watching a movie with a persistent bass line of dread in the background.
Or reading fanfic online.
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SFAW
“Their lives must have been mighty empty, thatâs all I can say.”
Liberals see the glass as half-empty.
Real conservatives see the glass as half-full.
Beckites and teabaggers see a glass with liquid, and run away shrieking about Commies fluoridating their water and Mooslims dumping Botulin into the reservoirs and the Government taxing them to death by having a public water system instead of one that’s privatized.
Also.
mclaren
IdahoSpud wrote:
geg6
JenJen: I turned on CNN to see what you were seeing and heard the female announcer say they expect 30,000 or a bit more. And then she, unintentionally, said, alluding to all the topics on which they are basing their protest, “They have a lot of issues.”. I LOLed. I can’t wait to see my local Teabagger rally in a little while. There will be people I know there and I will mock them unmercifully. Fuck these assholes. I’ve had enough of them.
Comrade Darkness
@Uloborus: I’d go with “in league with” terrorists. Al Qaeda WANTED the U.S. to be scared. That was the entire f*cking point of what they did. They wanted the U.S. to act stupid and in the words of their leader: waste gold and blood in a useless war.
So, let’s tally up who’s helped the terrorists along with their goals. Bush/Cheney/Rice obviously real team players right out of the gate. Medals all around, and a special ribbon for squandering unanimous international support.
As to the main purpose of the attacks, who is helping Al Qaeda now?
Comrade Darkness
I meant to attempt another fix.
The troll comment above about protecting us, supports my thinking that the teabaggers are just people with zero purpose who like my nephew, likes to tie a towel around his neck and go running around with a plastic conan sword.
Only, I’d give him better odds on effectiveness with a real threat.
Shazam! I’m the hero! I killed the couch monster.
Yeah, you killed the couch monster. Very good.
wasabi gasp
The whole dang blog is zoom zoom zoomy.
General Winfield Stuck
I guess it is lost on these idjits that the only tax increases Obama has planned is for the top 1 percent earners, or rich people, to simply return to Clinton era rates, whereby no one gathered for such protests. IN addition, the only tax action thus far by Obama was to reduce payroll taxes in the so called “porkulus”
And that Obama and dems are following the pay go rule that they instituted, whereby any spending on things like helping people get decent healthcare is paid for with spending cuts and other savings to accompany legislation. Something Bush did none of. So there will be little if any of the cost for healthcare reform that will add to the budget deficit.
It’s almost as if they are really protesting something else altogether different. Wonder what that could be?
Tea Party? Seems more like Lynch Party to me.
JackieBinAZ
@mclaren: and 18,000-20,000 people die here every year due to lack of insurance and ability to afford care.
Chad N Freude
@JGabriel:
I believe that Beck wants very much to see some sort of Tarantinoesque action, so that he can experience the pornographic thrill of witnessing it while disclaiming any responsibility for fomenting it. Osama bin Ladin acknowledges his goal of havoc and destruction, Osama beck Laden does not. That’s the only difference between them.
Comrade Darkness
@Leelee for Obama: I’ve been hammering on this for years. Saving 3000 American lives would cost a week in Iraq. Just pick where you want to save them. Gah, it is so frustrating. It has zero to do with lives. It’s all about power. Period.
@wasabi gasp: I tag html as my day job and I can’t fix it.
JGabriel
General Winfield Stuck:
Given what JenJen said above about costumes, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see some of these assholes accesorizing their outfits with nooses.
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pcbedamned
@SFAW: @69
With all due respect, I must disagree. Most conservatives are naturally cynical (it goes real well with the stick up their ass), while most liberals are naturally optimistic (goes well with the rose coloured glasses).
Conservatives are too concerned with what is theirs and who is trying to take it away to be concerned with others. Liberals tend to think more about fairness and how to make the world a better place for those less fortunate. (Mass generalizations).
Comrade Darkness
I’m going to repeat el cid’s quote with a tweak. Bear with me…
<blockquote ““You know it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victims’ families? Took me about a year,” Beck said in 2005, while discussing Katrina refugees at the point when the feds were handing out cash cards to thousands of desperate people. “But the second thought I had when I saw these people and they had to shut down the Astrodome and lock it down, I thought:
This should not work…
Comrade Darkness
WAH, it did!
Good grief. That’s just weird.
Down and Out of SĂ i GĂČn
Canwe get rid of the italic tags?
Down and Out of SĂ i GĂČn
Good lord, Comrade Darkness. How did you get it to work?
JGabriel
@Comrade Darkness:
It’s probably a double-open ital — the start ital, and then a close ital without the slash — and both probably need to be closed within the comment. Maybe there’s a code to let you do it from a later post, but I’m danged if I know what it is.
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JGabriel
@Comrade Darkness: Whoa, congratulations. How’d you do it?
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General Winfield Stuck
@Comrade Darkness:
You brought the light this time. You smart folks on BJ never cease to amaze.
pcbedamned
Much better. As for my comment #80, the first two lines should have both been in the quote.
Where is that preview or edit button when you need it?!?
Comrade Darkness
@Down and Out of SĂ i GĂČn:
Well… El Cid had damaged an open blockquote tag and so all of his quote was getting sucked inside the tag and getting closed off with an open italics tag he had about a sentence later. Now, that should have just been a plain blockquote, by my reckoning, but there was some special character calls inside there and stuff, so after exhausting every other method of closing off italics, I pasted in exactly what he did, but ended the blockquote with a close italics tag.
Neither of what either of us did should have done anything, so it’s something buggy going on.
Comrade Darkness
@JGabriel: I tried every italic generating close tag I could think of multiple times with no luck. That got closed with a second effed up blockquote tag.
I decided to stop trying to figure it out and just guess.
Church Lady
I just typed a rather rightous rant, be unfortunately zapped it as I was burning up the keyboard. It was too long to redo, so I’ll have to be more succinct.
To AnneLaurie and her fellow denizens of the echo chamber that must have moved over from Kos:
If you think that your fellow American citizens, practicing their Constitutional rights to protest peacefully against what they feel is governmental overreach (just as some of you did in the run up to the Iraq War), should be compared to true terrorists and be referred to as the American version of Al Qaeda, you are one sick, sick fuck. There are just no other words for it. Let me repeat, you are one sick, sick fuck. I’d say that you should be ashamed of yourself, but it is patently obvious that that isn’t possible.
For a group of people that are so unsatisfied with seemingly almost every aspect of their country and their fellow citizens, I don’t understand why you just don’t leave for greener pastures. Oh, what’s that you say? There are no greener pastures? You might disagree with 50% of the citizens in other countries as well? Then stop your perpetual whining and bitching and accept the fact that you are not always right and that you will not always get exactly what you want. Their beliefs are just as valid to them as yours are to you and their right to protest is just as valid as yours.
This country might not be perfect, but I can’t think of a better place to be and I feel damned lucky that I am fortunate that my ancestors had the foresight to leave a wide variety of countries in the late 1800’s and came here.
General Winfield Stuck
@Church Lady:
Go fuck yourself with a rusty ratchett, Church Lady. The fools on my teevee are not protesting against soshulism, or spending (where were they when Bush spent like a drunken sailor) . They are protesting the fact that Barack Obama is president and black. He has proposed nothing that democrats have always stood for and they never turned out like this. And the straw man of claiming we are saying they don’t have a right to protest is just utter bullshit. I am glad they are so AMerica can get a good look at these crazy merchants of hate.
Down and Out of SĂ i GĂČn
Good work, Comrade. I see what you just did. WordPress tries to clean up malformed HTML, so the obvious (throwing in a few closing italic tags) doesn’t work; WordPress cleans it up as well. To solve it, you had to slip in the closing tags in more crap HTML – so crap that WordPress can’t clean it up.
Strangely fitting, in a way.
Brick Oven Bill
Throughout all of human history, up until the dawn of this era of fossil fuels and the tractor, women in general were not granted a voice in political matters. There is a scientific reason for this. Al Qaeda, in my opinion, deserves credit for not bowing to the latest fashions.
9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.
I believe that the symbology of date 9-11-01 is that through his murderous act Bin Laden was reminding Jews to be more observant Jews, Christians to be more observant Christians, and Muslims to be more observant Muslims.
Some people read 9:111 to be an evil and murderous passage, but it can also be seen as nothing more than masculine religion, and a rejection of material things in favor of the spiritual. What is wrong with this? This is not as good as the Federalist Papers, the Constitution, and the Principles and Values of Glenn Beckâs 912 Project, but is still pretty good in the grand scheme of things.
Stalin called Trotsky a terrorist. He finally caught up with him in Mexico and got him in the head with an ice pick.
Will
Damn straight. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: these people love 9/11. They love that it happened. It is their favorite fucking day of the year.
Houston
CNN seems to be competing with Faux News for which of them can hype the Teabaggers the most. I’ve been part of half a dozen marches on Washington, and as a previous commenter noted, CNN sure didn’t focus on my measely one or two hundred thousand like they are on this bunch.
One woman assured us this morning that this isn’t about Democrats or Republicans or President Obama, it’s about taking our country back and “thank God for those heroes of talk radio who tell us the truth.” Nuff said.
This has been a very interesting week. I watched MSNBC replay that dreadful hour back in 2001, and was newly horrified, but I also caught something that I missed on that original date. You should have heard Tom Brokaw outlining what should and did happen in the years to follow. He kept reassuring us all that this was a game changer and everything was subject to change, even civil liberties.
I’m becoming more radicalized as a result of the “Tenthers” and “Teabaggers.” I think we should re-open the Civil War, kick some racist ass, reinstitute Reconstruction, and damn well get it right this time.
Happy week-end.
Chad N Freude
@Brick Oven Bill: Amazing! You have raised the bar for weirdness so high no one will ever each it again. Mazel Tov!
Will
@Church Lady:
I’ll share your sentiment, by exercising my constitutional right to tell you to go fuck yourself.
Chad N Freude
@Chad N Freude: reach it again. Damn keyboard!
Xenos
@Will: 9-11 is a license for kitsch, a license for authoritarians to pretend to be true Americans, better Americans even than those who died in the public service on that day.
The rest of us realize that the hole in the ground in southern is Manhattan is also a giant monument to the cynicism and incompetence of the Republicans party. No self regarding senitimentality for us, just sadness, and a bit of bitter wisdom.
Uloborus
Er… Church Lady, your patriotism is nice and all. I think overall America’s pretty great too. What does that have to do with ANYTHING? Especially whether these people are behaving badly? Mostly, I think they’re behaving stupidly based on knee-jerk reactions myself. Other posters get more offended, because whatever these folks THINK they’re supporting, they end up supporting, fairly directly, cruel and inhuman policies like wars based on pride and fighting badly needed reforms with crazy lies.
And they’re doing it with fearmongering, either falling for it, pushing it themselves, or both. That also offends us fairly badly. We think it’s kind of barbaric.
So, personally, I think these protests are kind of dumb. Many of my fellows get very emotional about it, and that’s not for me, but I see where they’re coming from. And they’re expressing that anger here.
They tend to go off in particular on Beck, but you know, the guy goes off on how violence is justified all the time without QUITE openly advocating it, so you can see how they’d interpret that as trying to start violence. Lots of scary political violence, including deaths. I don’t really see it that way, but I have to say, it’s a reasonable interpretation.
geg6
Comrade Darkness: Dood, direct hit. My hat is off to you. Some people seem to think “terrorism” is a group of people and not a tactic. Our vocabulary has been irretrievably twisted by the past 8 years, hasn’t it?
Comrade Darkness
@Down and Out of SĂ i GĂČn: Ah, thanks for explaining why it worked. Makes me feel so much better.
Church Lady: Shorter version: only my dissent is patriotic. Yeah, we got that. You didn’t need all that text to say that. And also, projection much?
Who, worldwide, is on the side of fear? Make a list yourself. It’s not hard. The left isn’t allowed to point that out because, what? It may be divisive or something? Right.
And love it or leave it. Such a cozy True American thing to say. Bravo!
General Winfield Stuck
Here is one of the first pics from the tea bagging party. Snappy hats they have.
General Winfield Stuck
I am going to quit now, before I go too far, if not already as too offend the conservative spirits. Which I hope I have dearly.
Va Highlander
@Church Lady:
Well, get in line, Church Lady. My ancestors have been here since the early 1600s.
What I’m seeing with Beck and his followers is more incitement than espression of dissent.
Mr Furious
Thanks for that Anne. I’ve been trying to compose just such a post in my head this morning, and now I don’t have to. Brilliant.
Va Highlander
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geg6
Church Lady should go to church and fuck off there. As usual, she spouts nothing but lies. NO ONE here has said morans like her don’t have a right to protest anything. But her argument has no platform if she doesn’t lie about our objections to the demogogues of the wingnut rump. Love it or leave it she says. How fucking original.
pcbedamned
@Church Lady: @91
And I feel damned lucky that my ancestors had the foresight to leave a wide variety of countries, including yours, in the 1700’s to settle in the Great White North where we are truly free. My health care is paid for, we do not have free speech zones, we are not fed on a steady diet of fear to ‘keep us in line’, and we do not feel the need to prove the size of our balls by invading others. Nor do we feel the need to parade ourselves like sheep on national television to prove our ignorance. God keep our Land, Glorious and Free!!!
Ella in NM
raholco
@mcalren: Perhaps I wasn’t clear in my post, but your invective was breathtaking-and misplaced. First, a review of my comment:
Now somewhere along the line you combined two separate thoughts into 1. Perhaps had I put in a space between the ‘think it can’t happen here’ and my comment to you, you might have reacted just a tad different.
raholco
Add my vote for a preview.
geg6
And just so Church Lady knows how much I value the First Amendment, I am now off to pick up my boots at the shoe repair shop near the local Teabagger rally. I will be cheering them on from the sidelines. Well, no, not really cheering. More like pointing and laughing.
Speedy
Church Lady , I have yet to see anyone denying you your right to act like a mindless,cud chewing , cow. I see people excercising THEIR rights to point out that you are , in fact, a mindless , cud chewing cow. So all you drooling half-wits feel free to whoop it up at your little Tardapalooza , drool and clap like trained seals while the people that do your thinking for you come up with newer and better dog whistles to call our President a N****** , without actually saying it. Just don’t bitch when people call you a fucking retard , you fucking retard.
JGabriel
@Church Lady:
It’s not so much the protesting we object to but the Know-Nothingism, racism, violent eliminationist rhetoric, and — oh, yes — the gun-toting.
So forgive us if we see signs of the same kind of right wing Timothy McVeigh terrorism being fomented that led to the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. The gun-toting and eliminationist rhetoric are strongly correlated to that kind of activity.
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JGabriel
@Brick Oven Bill:
Time for another sabbatical, methinks. Jesus, Bill, stop watching Glenn Beck. You’re getting bugshit crazier by the minute.
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wasabi gasp
All pew and no cigar.
Brick Oven Bill
Islam is to be respected JGabriel. It has a much longer history than our experiment, and is still growing.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
I’m just waiting for the first one to shout ‘Timothy McVeigh was right.’
Brick Head Bill
Islam is to be respected. On the other hand rock headed misogynistic fucktardism isn’t.
Through out most of history working men were denied a voice in political matters. And it didn’t have a God damn thing to do with science u moran. It is about power and maintenance of power.
b-psycho
There’s a reason al-qaeda is called a terrorist group and not just a bunch of murderers. Their use of violence is meant to terrorize, to cause widespread fear and panic. Glenn Beck & his followers look at that fear and decide “yup, that’s a great state of mind to uphold!”.
So I understand the comparison. No, they haven’t killed anybody, they’ve just co-signed the point behind the ones that did.
Bruce Webb
I remember vividly my SECOND response to 9/11.
After the initial shock and horror (and remember that the death toll was potentially about 50-100 thousand, it was not clear that the floors below the impact were clear of all but responders when the buildings went down) I immediately thought ‘Oh crap, this will give Bush just the opening he needs to ram his whole agenda through’.
Which of course it did. In objective reality the guy went to the site a couple of days later, grabbed a bullhorn and gave a pretty good impromptu (?) speech. Yet somehow in doing so transformed himself into Dear Leader in a way that must have made the N. Koreans envious. After that it was all flags and car magnets and Americans falling over themselves to give away their freedoms for some spurious safety.
Where after 9/11 was the American equivalent of this movement in Britain after their terrorist bombings?
http://www.werenotafraid.com/about.html
Whereas Glen Beck is not only happy to be cowed by fear mongering, he is all too willing to pass it on.
Leelee for Obama
@Bruce Webb: “Fear is the mind-killer; fear is the little death…, I will face my fear. I will allow my fear to go around me and through me” I think I have that quote right. This is the reason the wearenotafraid site is so important. Because fear makes your mind dead to what is truly important if you allow it to. That’s is purpose.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Church Lady:
OK, I was with you on your complaint that comparing protesters to terrorists is riduculous and stupid and completely ignores the point of our constitutional and political traditions regarding both the legality and value of dissent.
But this next part is a weird combination of one or more of ignorance, hypocrisy or projection, I’m not quite sure which:
So let’s see how this works? In Church-Lady-World, apparently when the right controls the govt., then “America, love it or leave it” can be used to tell the DFHs to STFU. And when the left (more like the center pretending at being left) controls the govt., then all of a sudden “America, love it or leave it” means that the governing party and the people who elected it into office have to listen to what the protesters are saying or GTFO.
Personally I’d just as soon do without “America, love it or leave it” altogether, but it is your side that repeatedly invokes this phrase (and has been doing so ad nauseum since at least 1968) and it doesn’t seem to matter to you whether it means protesters shut up and trust the govt., or govt. shut up and trust the protesters. Do you not see a contradiction here? Or are you really that ignorant of the prior history of this particular rhetorical tactic? Or are you just projecting?
And if you think the tea-bag movement represents 50%+ of the opinions in this country, then I guess you must not believe in elections as a tool for gauging opinions, since neither the teabaggers nor anyone even remotely close to them ideologically have won a national election since 2004. How many such elections do you have to lose, before you’ll finally admit that you are not the majority in this country?
So yes, the majority must respect the right of the minority to dissent, even when the latter is expressed in a noisy and obnoxious fashion. That is what defines small-l liberal democracy. But the minority can’t keep insisting that they get to call the shots and making every effort to delegitimize a duly elected goverment without the rest of us questioning some or all of: their honesty, their sanity, or their fundamental commitment to living within the terms of a democratic system of government and the social contract upon which it is based. At some point there is a line that should not be crossed beyond which “we are the minority – bow down to us!” translates into “we hate you for your freedoms”.
Baroness
Just a note to say I think Alex Pareene is consistently a smart, canny writer on politics. He’ll go far.
Joshua Norton
Sometimes an unanswered question hangs heavily in the air, while history itself makes pause. Faint hearts yearn for a hero to step forward and fearlessly prick the despot’s glassy bubble of invulnerable hubris with a rhetorical Ă©pee. The very angels of liberty hold their breath.
Then there are the other times when everything is ruined by a deluded fartsack screaming into a microphone.
Flugelhorn
@Leelee for Obama: OR it could possibly be that they ALWAYS vote that way?
Onihanzo
I can’t stop laughing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31BQwEpvY3E
Flugelhorn
@General Winfield Stuck: You are an idiot. The best arguement you can come up with to anyone who opposes your views is that they must be racist. You are a fucking moron.
Go fuck play “hide and go fuck yourself”.
AhabTRuler
@Onihanzo: Interesting that they chose Lux Aterna for their background music. Here is a piece that is more appropriate, also by Clint Mansell.
Mrs. Peel
I feel damned lucky that I am fortunate that my ancestors had the foresight to leave a wide variety of countries in the late 1800’s and came here.
Parvenu trash.
Members of my family have fought in every single war that this country has been involved in, dating back to the King Philip’s War. By seniority I have the right to tell you to get the hell of MY country – you uppity social climber.
Svensker
@Onihanzo:
I canât stop laughing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31BQwEpvY3E
ï»ż”A patriotic spirit so strong and so powerful that it had been sleeping for too long”
trollhattan
@94 BOB
Ice “axe,” fraction-wit. And no, getting that detail wrong doesn’t magically turn the various other errors “right.”
Some day you will be correct about some thing. I assure you, in advance, it will be an accident.
General Winfield Stuck
@Flugelhorn:
What’s a Flugelhorn? Some kind of idjit dog whistle.
Go put on your pointy whit hat.
Ruckus
@El Cid:
Pithy and to the point.
Even after a 131 comments – FTW
Flugelhorn
@General Winfield Stuck: Clever.
Flugelhorn
@Leelee for Obama: Are you actually quoting bullshit Bene Gesserit teachings from Dune? Are you expecting to be taken seriously from this point forward or did you just decide to start mailing it in? Should I start investing in “Crystals for Obama” or what?
General Winfield Stuck
@Flugelhorn:
I guess you morans forget that when liberals were protesting Bush’s disaster of an Iraq war, all you could come up with was they are traitors and terrorist lovers. Short memories.
And no< i don’t think all conservatives are racist for opposing Obama, they just aren’t at this particular DC freak show pretending to protest something they don’t have a clue about. But they do want their country back after the Nigg8r won the election by actually getting quite a few more votes than the other guy.
Bubblegum Tate
âA patriotic spirit so strong and so powerful that it had been sleeping for too longâ
They’re like Ron Burgundy trying to figure out what “when in Rome” means.
Leelee for Obama
@Flugelhorn: Sorry, flugelhorn, I don’t feed trolls.
I quote what I want, it’s a free country. You don’t have to read me, it’s a free country.
SFAW
…and we do not feel the need to prove the size of our balls by invading others.
Well, it’s not like you could. Your army has, what, 37 people in it? I mean, the entire population of Canada could fit into Co-Op City. (New York City inside joke, sorry.)
God keep our Land, Glorious and Free
You guys do have a great national anthem, though. Especially when done by Roger Doucet.
Betsy
@Church Lady:
This fails at logic. I actually agree that (at this point) comparing Beck to al-Qaeda is misguided. At least until he starts calling for the use of violence to further his political aims, which I sometimes think he’s not too far from doing…
But that has nothing to do with love of country, unless you happen to think that the United States = Glenn Beck. Which, I must tell you, it doesn’t. As expressed in the last election, a substantial majority of the United States is on the side of moderation, intelligence, restraint on the use of war as a foreign policy, and the desperate need to reform our health care system. So it looks like conservatives are the ones who are going to have to accept that 50% of the populace doesn’t agree with you.
Wile E. Quixote
@mclaren
What point are you trying to make here mclaren? Christ, you’re like a liberal Glenn Beck, stupid, ranting and constantly and consistently overwrought.
Suppose that you finally choke to death on your own bile and bullshit, on that happy day I’m going to go to your friends (if you have any) and attempt to console them in their grief (assuming they’re feeling any) by saying “What the fuck is your problem? Do you know how many people died during the Asian tsunami of 2004. Get the fuck over yourselves ya pathetic crapsacks. Now get your minds right or by God and the FSM I *will* give you something to cry about.”
SFAW
@pcbedamned
With all due respect, I must disagree. Most conservatives are naturally cynical (it goes real well with the stick up their ass), while most liberals are naturally optimistic (goes well with the rose coloured glasses).
I consider “real conservatives” to be different (usually, not always) from “wingnuts” or “right wingers”.
Conservatives are too concerned with what is theirs …
… half-full: “I got mine”
Liberals tend to think more about fairness and how to make the world a better place …
Liberals tend to think more about fairness and how to make the world a better place
… half-empty: “We can be doing so much more than we’re doing to fix [insert problem here]”
OK? (or as you Canadians say “OuK”?)
Wile E. Quixote
@Church Bimbo
Actually Church Bimbo we like America just fine, we love this country in a way that whores like you with your bullshit, foam-finger waving we’re number one flag pin wearing while you’re sucking cock in an airport toilet faux patriotism will never understand. No, we love America, we just hate stupid, bigoted, ignorant, lying hate-filled racists and those, like you, who apologize for them.
Beck’s followers are uniformly ignorant, bigoted, stupid and worthless human beings. Judging from the number of FWD e-mails I receive from conservative acquaintances of mine most conservatives are too lazy to think for themselves and too stupid to check out these e-mails by doing five minutes of basic research on Google. No, these fuckheads don’t like to do that because they like feeling like victims and they like being outraged and they like being whipped into a frenzy by demagogues. Glenn Beck’s followers are the very anti-thesis of the kind of citizenry you need to have a functioning democracy.
You claim, stupidly, that these people are protesting against what they feel is governmental overreach. Hmmm, funny how they kept their mouths shut during eight years of George W. Bush. By their standards governmental overreach including repeatedly lying to start a war, massively increasing the size of the government and infringing upon the civil rights of Americans is A-OK as long as a white Republican is doing it.
In short Church Bimbo I have no use for hypocritical, mentally and morally weak human garbage such as yourself and the idiot 9/12 protestors who sat on your lazy, ignorant asses for eight years of the worst administration this country ever suffered and did nothing, or actively encouraged that administration all of a sudden getting your adult diapers in a twist because a black man got elected and is trying to fix the things that they broke through their ignorance, stupidity and laziness.
I also have no use for fear-mongering drama queens like Glenn Beck who are using one of the greatest tragedies this country has ever suffered to improve their ratings and boost their egos and no use for bullshit spewing apologistas such as yourself who condone this sort of behavior and then get the vapors and start clutching your pearls when these low-lifes are called on their contemptible, mawkish, hate-filled bullshit.
Wile E. Quixote
@Jennifer
It won’t be Glenn Beck and his followers. Conservatives these days are uniformly cowards. Can you name a major conservative commentator/politician under the age of 70 who joined the military? Glenn Beck never served, never took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and if he had probably would have been one of those guys who gets sent home the first week of basic for crying and wetting his bed. Most of his followers are the same. I was in downtown Seattle during the WTO when the tear gas was flying and if I had a choice between having those DFHs at my back, or you “glenn beck terrorists” I’d take the DFHs any day of the week.
Of course I’m perfectly willing to let you stand in front of me to keep me safe, because even though you’re worthless and weak you can draw fire and absorb bullets and will make fine decoys and human shields. Plus listening to you and the rest of the “glenn beck terrorists” scream as you get the shit kicked out of you and are gunned down like so many rabid dogs will be music to my ears.
Cat Lady
@Wile E. Quixote: @Wile E. Quixote:
I hope that was as good for you as it was for me.
Darkrose
@Church Lady:
Hmm. So am I supposed to feel lucky that I’m fortunate that my ancestors had the “foresight” to get kidnapped, dragged across the Atlantic in chains, and sold as chattel in the early 1800’s? I guess I’m doing it wrong, because mostly, I think I’m lucky that my ancestors were strong enough to survive all of the shit that this country has thrown at them and managed to remain relatively sane, healthy, and functional.
Like so many conservatives, you seem to love America like a small child loves her mother–unconditionally, and uncritically–and you don’t get that grownups understand that mothers aren’t perfect, and we’ll call Mom on it when she’s wrong, but that doesn’t mean we love her any less.
Todd Dugdale
To put the numbers at the 9/12 event into perspective:
more people, on average, pay money to go to any Nationals game than the number of wingnuts that an astroturf organisation could get together from across the country for a free event.
Jess
@Onihanzo:
That is so funny it’s tragic! I can’t believe anyone would take that seriously–it like Spinal Tap goes to Washington!
JK
@Wile E. Quixote:
Glenn Beck is a raving, drooling, bedwetting lunatic and yes he’s a goddamn coward as well.
pcbedamned
@SFAW: @142, 145
Unfortunately, the families of the 129 dead soldiers from Afghanistan might not agree. (What is a Co-op city?!?)
Guess we just look at things differently. As a Canadian Conservative (as well as most of my friends and family) I am speaking about the pessimistic and cynical attitudes we seem to possess. ‘I got mine, but everyone is trying to screw me out of it’ (half-empty). Where as my best friend is a bleeding heart, moonbat crazy liberal who sees everything as ‘Utopia for everyone around the corner just as soon as we screw the Cons out of their stuff’ (half-full). (sarc-for those might take this as trolling).
Or as my mother likes to tell me, I am just being difficult.
Ouk?
Ok.
SFAW
Co-Op City is a very large housing development in Da Bronx, NYC. Population is ~55,000 (according to Wikipedia)
Where as my best friend is a bleeding heart …
Yes, some of my best friends are Jews/coloreds/Mooslims/Kenyans etc.
Sorry – “coloureds”
mclaren
JackieBinAz remarked:
Exactly.
Precisely.
Excellent point.
Why does no Democrat state this in public?
Six 9/11s happen per year when sick children and sick women and sick old men die because greedy insurance companies use recission to cut off their insurance, or deny them coverage, or price the coverage out of their reach.
Imagine it…
Six times a year a pair of 757s slam into two different skyscrapers…six times a year, sick old people jump screaming and burning from those skyscrapers, howling like animals as they plunge to their deaths… Six times a year.
Every two months, 2993 deaths, like clockwork. Over and over and over again. More deaths, more horror, more madness, more screaming innocent victims, more corpses whose blood sprays out across the sidewalk, 19,000 magnled bodies crushed in their fall from 30 storeys up…
…Why, America would be howling with outrage. The streets would be full of Americans screaming for vengeance against the murderers responsible as the slaughter goes on…and on…andon…
IFthe murderers were Islamic fundamentalists.
But if the murderers are capitalist fundamentalists who murder women and children and old men for greed, to enrich themselves, and buy yachts and cocaine for their mistresses and Bugatti Veyrons…
Why, that’s just fine. That’s American! That’s noble! That’s inspirational!
Murdering 2993 people for the glory of Allah is an obscenity, a blot on human history, a shitstain on the conscience of the world.
But murdering six time 2993 people every year, year in, year out, over and over and over again, for the glory of insurance companies’ stock price — that’s the FREE MARKET at work. That’s Schumpeter’s creative destruction at work. That’s the paradigm of human achievement, the light of the world, the hope of mankind.
When we get 2993 people slaughtered for religious ideology, that’s grotesque, an abomination, a horror beyond imagining.
…Yet when we get six 9/11s per year because of insurance company greed, that’s sublime, beautiful and joyous, freedom and delight quintessential.
Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick.
Why has no Democrat stood up with a sign showing six different pictures of those 757’s crashing intto the Twin Towers and shouting, “This is what the insurance companies do to America to feed their greed! Six 9/11s every year! Crush ’em! Grind ’em into hamburger! Wipe ’em out! Run those insurance bastards out of America and seize their assets! Stop the slaughter. Vote for single-payer. Take the profit out of health insurance NOW.”
If the Republicans can shamelessly exploit 9/11 for the purpose of ripping up the constitution and enlarging the military-industrial complex, why oh why oh why can’t Democrats shamelessly exploit 9/11 for the purpose of restoring social justice and making capitalism into a decent humane system instead of a Baal-like meatgrinder that chews up our children and our mothers and our fathers as sacrifices to the demented altar of the Chicago School of Economics?
mclaren
Ever ready to make a fool of himself, Wile E. Coyote gibbered:
Listen up, clown — over the last 8 years we’ve watched the Bill of Rights and the constitution of the United States get shredded by the Republicans.
The first amendment? Gone, courtesy of “free speech zones” and pre-emptive raids on people who plan to conduct peaceful protests at political rallies, like the SWAT team pre-emptive raids in Minnesota before the RNC every happened in 2008.
The fourth amendment? Gone, courtesy of asset forfeiture.
The fifth amendment? Gone, courtesy of he U.S. government’s announced ability to kidnap anyone off the streets and whisk ’em away to a secret prison without charges and without a trial. Oh, and before you spout your usual bullshit and tell me the American government never kidnapped anyone off the streets without trial and without charges, wake up and smell the latte. Jose Padilla was an American citizen. Jose Padilla was kidnapped at Chicago’s O’Hare airport and held in a secret prison without charges and without trial.
The sixth amendment requiring trial byjury? Gone, torn right out of the constitution. See above.
The eighth amendment prohibiting “cruel and unusual punishment,” i.e., torture? Well that’s gone away, and we’ve all seen the pictures, we’ve all heard about the torture chambers.
The ninth amendment reserving to the states any powers not explicitly granted to the federal government? Tell the sick people in California handcuffed by DEA agents because they tried to legally buy marijuana from a dispensary all about the 9th amendment, that’s history, it’s gone, it’s toast.
The tenth amendment? Gone, baby, gone . See above.
So what’s left of the Bill of Rights?
A giant gaping hole with a few legible words hanging off it in tatters.
If you’re not overwrought, Wile E. Coyote, you haven’t been paying attention for the last 8 years.
And Obama has continued every one these abominable violations of the constitution, except for torture, Obama has embraced and adored and perpetuated every one of those grossly criminal violations of the Bill of Rights, and scum-sucking retards like you have cheered themselves hoarse for Obama, merely because he can speak a coherent sentence.
Here’s a wake-up call for you, clown: doesn’t matter whether the guy who orders 300 million people wiretapped without warrants is black and urbane and well-spoken, or a white clueless bungling dufus who can’t pronounce the word “underestimate.” They’re both committing high crimes and misdemeanors by violating the constitution of the United States of America.
bobs
Wow, you are obviously clueless.
Beck is obviously speaking to the community effort and the coming together of people, no matter political bend or whatever.
These people today shared the same cause…..btw, they are from all political parties.
As for knocking Glenn Beck for not speaking up during Bush’s term, he did. He was for impeaching Bush so, let’s get our information straight because you are spreading ignorance, stupidity and laziness when you don’t report the facts. Of course, you got your info from someone who was lazy and ignorant so…..ya……..
As for the tea party goers and the 9/12 project they are acting on their right to peaceful protest. Something the Dems are expert at (the protest part at least)
bobs
Where is all this violence that Beck and his kind supposedly incite. And the riots….where are the riots?
me thinks you doth project too much…
SFAW
me thinks you doth project too muchâŠ
If that’s what it takes to get you to your “happy place”, then by all means, keep telling yourself that.
It’s certainly easier than introspection.