Eric Boehlert digs up some data I was wondering about:
But back to the loser angle real quick. Again, after Sunday, McCain will have made eleven Sunday morning talk show appearances this year. Asks Benen, “Refresh my memory: was there this much interest in John Kerry’s take on current events in 2005?
Answer: There was not. In 2005, between Meet the Press, Face the Nation, This week, Fox News Sunday and CNN’s Late Edition (which has basically morphed into today’s State of the Union), John Kerry made a total of three appearances on those program during the first eight months of 2005, according to a search of Nexis.
Again, I’m not complaining politically. As a Democrat, I certainly wouldn’t have wanted Kerry on the tube in 2005.
I remember reading a while ago — I won’t be able to find the link because I don’t remember the quote well enough — a Republican saying something like “When we lose an election, we take the people who ran the campaign out back and shoot them. When Democrats lose an election, they hire the same people to run the next campaign.” I realize that candidates/elected officials are not the same thing as campaign managers, but I’ve got to think that recycling losing front men isn’t that much smarter than recycling losing political operatives. When someone loses a general presidential election, stick him on an ice floe and push him out to sea. If he wins a Nobel prize like Al Gore did, then he can come back.
The overall dynamic here is very strange, though. John Edwards cheats on his cancer-stricken wife and becomes a pariah. Newt Gingrich serves his wife with divorce papers as she’s coming out of surgery and the Joe Kleins of the world still slobber all over him. Dukakis and Kerry lose, they go into hiding. Bob Dole becomes a popular pornographic Pepsi pitchman and John McCain starts co-hosting the Sunday shows.
Update. Not exactly the same thing, but Jenna Bush just got a gig with the “Today” show.
eric
That would be The Right Honorable Jenna Hager to you plebains. Or for those of you on Spring Break, that chick that did the thing with her tongue while those dudes in the suits and sunglasses sighed.
eric
superking
This isn’t the repubs keeping McCain in the spotlight. It’s the media’s love of McCain that’s keeping him in the spotlight. The media just can’t quit John McCain.
JenJen
I have no idea who said that, but it sure sounds like exactly the kind of thing Mark McKinnon would say.
Re: Jenna Bush, Atrios had a good tweet today:
Only thing I would add to that is… Meghan McCain and Jenna Bush interviewing Liz Cheney together.
Louise
Somehow I think this is linked to shame — as in, many Republicans have none.
I don’t think the people you’ve mentioned think of it in these terms, but those with no shame are perfectly happy to continue to blather on about their Very Important Opinions, while those who have the capacity to be ashamed (even if they don’t label it that way, and even if they have nothing for while to be ashamed) are content to step back after a loss.
You’d think, with all the religious rhetoric and posturing in Republican circles, that shame would be recognized and effective. But that, of course, would require that the faith was genuine and every day.* And I wonder if shame is ignored or avoided because if they let themselves even open the door to it, they’d drop dead in a hot minute, after everything they’ve done (I’m looking at you, Dick. And you, too, Karl.).
*There was a man in my (eclectic) church this morning who was quite upset that we were praying for Ted and not for Mary Jo. I used to be angry about that, too — but it’s obvious to me that Ted *did* feel shame about that, and that he spent decades atoning.
Louise
Obviously, I’d edit the typos if there were editing.
“while” = “which”
no bold</strong intended.
DougJ
Only thing I would add to that is… Meghan McCain and Jenna Bush interviewing Liz Cheney together.
Believe it or not, I don’t mind the Megan McCain stuff. I realize she’s 23 years old and has never done anything save be John McCain’s daughter, but her analysis of what’s wrong with the Republican party is mostly correct. I read her pieces sometimes.
cleek
also Oliver North: terrorist-supporting felon to Fox News host.
Derelict
The overall dynamic here is very strange, though.
Not really. IOKIYAR is all you need to remember. David Vitter gets busted playing diaper boy with prostitutes–no big deal. Eliot Spitzer gets caught doing apparently pretty pedestrian sex with a prostitute–end of career. See how that works?
beltane
And Al Gore is fat. (you forgot that one).
kommrade reproductive vigor
No, no, no. You see, Democrats are supposed to lose; Republicans are supposed to win, world without end, amen. Therefore, a Republican who has lost is still really a winner and everybody loves a winner.
JenJen
@DougJ: I don’t mind her all that much… except that, when reading her views, I’m under the impression she’s a Democrat, and just hasn’t figured it out yet. That’s why Malkin and Ingraham, et al, have it out for her so bad. They know what’s coming.
And honestly, the snarky manner in which she treated Paul Begala on Bill Maher’s show when he dared to challenge one of her opinions was a huge turn-off to me.
On an entirely different note, I’ve met her several times in my old job, and she is a lovely and gracious person, as are her parents, when it comes to the way they treat hotel, service and event staff, which is more than I could say for a lot of folks of their ilk. (I’m on one of those kicks where I’m trying to find something nice to say about people I don’t care for all that much… but, it’s true.)
MNPundit
Not-Jenna is so much hotter than Jenna. That said, a big part of the reason is John Edward’s base was horrified and disgusted by his actions because 1) HIS WIFE HAD CANCER WHILE HE HAD A LOVE-CHILD and 2) That he still ran for president! Imagine if it had come out! How is that even remotely positive? At least John McCain dumped his sick wife before hooking up with someone else.
So reprehensible personal behavior combined with irresponsible politics and a dash of betrayal for his “True Believer” supporters.
Democrats except better (though of course they seldom get it).
arguingwithsignposts
You know, there are literally thousands of teachers who would probably make good TV personalities, at least as good as Jenna Hager. There are literally thousands of writers who could write just as good as – if not better than – Meghan McCain. There are probably 10s of torture apologists who could make their case better than Liz Cheney.
But they were born of the wrong stock, and so they labor in obscurity and relative poverty.
Our aristocracy lives on.
KC
What Vigor said. McCain didn’t lose the election; he’s just not President. He deserves to be on the TV just as much as
PresidentMister Obama.When you are convinced that you and your party are the arbiter of all things American and right, a lost election is just a mistake by the American people. You have no obligation to abide by someone else’s mistake.
Why do you think Newt Gingrich insists that he still be referred to as “Speaker Gingrich?” He didn’t lose that position and quit Congress; it was all a misunderstanding. On someone else’s part. He’s really still Speaker. Somewhere.
Zifnab
That’s good, because you weren’t seeing much of any Democrats on the tubes in 2005. Or in 2009, for that matter. Democrats, despite having majorities in both houses and holding the Presidency, remain a minority on pundit TV.
And don’t even get me started on the non-office holding activists and demagogues. Pat Buchanan practically has his own show on MSNBC, and Tony Perkins and Newt Gingrich and Bill Kristol can always find a seat at some Sunday Morning round table. Hell, Glenn Beck STILL has his own god damn show. Also.
That 11:3 McCain to Kerry ratio seems about right.
arguingwithsignposts
@MNPundit:
Actually, he was carrying on with his second wife while still with his first wife, according to a couple of articles I read.
Warren Terra
Which Bush daughter was it who said in 2004 that after graduation she would go work overseas helping the poor and AIDS-stricken? I guess one of them wrote a book, but it’s hardly a renunciate’s life.
arguingwithsignposts
@Warren Terra:
Barbara Bush was the one:
Warren Terra
Also, I guess this is some sort of recompense for the Dem’s political dynasty inflicting Maria Shriver on the TV news? Or had Maria, unlike Jenna, accomplished something prior to being given a TV job?
JimPortlandOR
Jenna needs to inaugurate the “So Yesterday” show. You can easily name the guests.
John McCain (last I saw a pic) looks like he’s already embalmed. Is he animatronic Lenin?
Warren Terra
I’m glad to hear Barbara Bush (the younger) actually showed up, tho’ I’d be surprised if she did much more than grimace for the cameras. The Houston connection and the number of sites are suspicious.
JenJen
@kommrade reproductive vigor: This is it, exactly.
YellowJournalism
@Warren Terra: I believe that was Jenna. The WAPO article says she wrote a book.
As far as Jenna as a reporter goes, I would like to see what she does with the position before criticizing her. That said, when producers go on and on about how intelligent and what a good writer she is and that’s why they hired her, not because mainly that her daddy was the former president who enacted NCLB, they’re full of shit. If Jenna Hager benefits from this and does a good job, great for her. If not, then get her off my TV and give the position to someone else who deserves it.
cbear
@JenJen: “…she is a lovely and gracious person, as are her parents..”
That’s nice to hear—now if we could just convince them that killing thousands of brown-skinned people is mildly discourteous and ultimately counterproductive, we might have something in common.
Sorry JenJen, I’m not making fun of your comment or your desire to find the best in people—I’m just appalled by Poppa McCain’s warmongering.
GregB
Ahem, please show some deference to Prime Minister McCain.
-G
JenJen
@Warren Terra: I’m pretty sure Maria Shriver toiled away in local news broadcasting before landing a national media job. That’s usually the way it’s done.
Davis X. Machina
Michael Moore is fat.
Al Gore is fat, and his house uses electricity.
Keep it straight, willya?
Bill E Pilgrim
I think what really destroys the Republican party is having Dick Cheney on all the time now.
Bush finally even distanced himself from Cheney’s particular brand of crazy, and today McCain said that Cheney’s torture regime harmed our “war” effort and was contrary to the Geneva Conventions–
I mean, so the guy who’s John McCain and George W Bush’s idea of a fringe right wing extremist is on the TV set all the time, saying things like that it “offends the hell out of me” that the torture is even being investigated, while even uber-hawk McCain is saying well actually, that was torture and it was wrong…
More, please. Just keep Cheney on all the time and we can start looking for a new opposition party. Seriously.
Mark S.
One thing that annoys me is the idea that if you win an election, you’re a genius, if you lose, you’re an idiot. While I think the McCain campaign made a ton of mistakes, even if they had run a perfect campaign they probably still would have lost because Bush had fucked the country so badly.
Likewise, just because you win a campaign doesn’t make you a genius. Rove’s 50% + 1 strategy has arguably destroyed the GOP by pushing it way too far to the right.
Political Pragmatist
DougJ, thirty years of sucking up to Republican politicians is a habit, leading to the MSM being forced to asked themselves “could we have been wrong?” And as we all know, admitting you are wrong is the must un-American thing Real Americans could do.
Remember My Country, Right Or Wrong?
Is Myself, Right or Wrong any different?
Silver Owl
Today’s media outlets should just advertise “We hire the biggest losers all the time.” lol
raff
Karl Rove’s booking agent would disagree.
gbear
IOKIYAR has an equal partner in IOKIYOTM (own the media). They’re two peas in a pod, and I don’t think we’d be at this crazy ‘Obama is killing the seniors’ point if we had one without the other.
JenJen
It just hit me! I can’t believe, in this entire, quite thoughtful “Politikids in Media” discussion, we have forgotten Jonah Goldberg.
Sigh.
gbear
@JenJen:
JenJen, no one wanted to be reminded of Jonah Goldberg. Thanks a lot.
mcc
See also, Orrin Hatch being the media’s go-to person to explain the legacy of Ted Kennedy (turns out it means “the Republicans should get what they want”)
Warren Terra
@ Mark S, #29
I read a great piece about how schmucks like Shrum do a bunch of sure-thing races: the money is good, they get a win, and the candidate gets to feel they’ve hired a superstar consultant.
JenJen
@gbear: Hey, anytime! :-D
Linkmeister
@gbear: Besides, Lucianne’s child isn’t the worst in terms of influence. That honor goes to Irving Kristol’s little boy William.
Midnight Marauder
@Bill E Pilgrim:
I think what really destroys the Republican party is having Dick Cheney on all the time now.
Bush finally even distanced himself from Cheney’s particular brand of crazy, and today McCain said that Cheney’s torture regime harmed our “war” effort and was contrary to the Geneva Conventions—
I mean, so the guy who’s John McCain and George W Bush’s idea of a fringe right wing extremist is on the TV set all the time, saying things like that it “offends the hell out of me” that the torture is even being investigated, while even uber-hawk McCain is saying well actually, that was torture and it was wrong…
More, please. Just keep Cheney on all the time and we can start looking for a new opposition party. Seriously.
Amen to all of this. Even though McCain still went on and said that it was a travesty of Holder to open an investigation –regardless of its scope–he nonetheless called Cheney a war criminal on national television, for all intents and purposes. I mean, he even cited St. Ronnie:
“I think the interrogations were in violation of the Geneva Conventions and the convention against torture that we ratified under President Reagan.”
In the long run, I really do believe Cheney will be the final nail of the coffin is all the is the Republican Party. When the torture regime is finally laid out in all of its brutal, inhumane glory, only the truly depraved will want to stand with such a soulless shell of a human being.
Comrade Luke
I had a discussion with a Republican yesterday where he was complaining about both parties. He said that Republicans were all about morals yet they were a bunch of philanderers, while Democrats want to tax everyone yet everyone Obama tries to appoint hasn’t paid their taxes.
I first pointed out that it’s not really a Democrat issue, in that all these people, once they get to a certain level in society, think they’re above the law.
I was going to start in on everything Republicans have done financially but decided it was pointless.
Midnight Marauder
Obligatory “Fuck you, WordPress” outrage here.
shelley matheis
Keith
Something tells me that Jenna got a job initially envisioned for Sarah Palin.
Roger Moore
@MNPundit:
Fixt. McCain married his second wife just over a month after divorcing his first, which would be quite a whirlwind courtship if he hadn’t been involved in an extramarital affair. Besides, he’s admitted at least one other affair and was known as a womanizer earlier in his career. He just had the good judgment (or good luck) not to father any children we know of out of wedlock.
ruemara
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this has been another episode of repetitive sasq. Thank you.
ruemara
oops, I broke ballon juice’s intertubes.
Bill E Pilgrim
@ruemara:
Cool.
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kay
McCain is on television constantly, and has been my entire adult life, I think.
I think we need numbers to compare McCain to McCain, 07 to 09.
He’s the television Senator, as far as I’m concerned.
What big legislative issues is he currently pushing? Immigration is a non-starter, and earmarks make good television, but he hasn’t done anything there but whine a lot.
Has anything changed? McCain’s on television, lobbing spitballs. This is a constant, right?
Midnight Marauder
@Bill E Pilgrim:
Well done, sir. I nearly choked on my cheez-its.
Laura W
I have a cure for all of this never ending McCain Inflamed Membrane:Househusbands of Hollywood.
I just discovered it (Thanks, FOX!) and it’s truly pornographic. (By my definition, of course.) A bunch of hot men who stay home and do whatever their working wives tell them to do on a daily basis.
This might be a good thing for John and Cindy to consider, frankly. Keep him off the tube and in the kitchen and laundry room where he belongs.
JenJen, please note: you can follow your favorite soon-to-be-ex househusband on Twitter. (I suggest you start with the baseball player. And then the former Marine Corps sniper turned actor.)
JenJen
@Laura W: Um, wow. And I thought the Real Housewives of Orange County could never be topped!
I like how “Charlie” describes himself as a “good-looking, fit jock.” I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on “fit” and “jock” until he’s reaching on the first claim.
JenJen
@Laura W: Damn missing edit button… “until” should be “but” in #52.
But, Oooh! Oooh! Grant the Marine Sniper is an “independent thinker.” His hair-care regimen is not looking very “independent” to me. Ewww.
arguingwithsignposts
Is there some type of plug-in I can install that will automatically mute Liz Cheney whenever she starts talking (or just about any RW hack)? I would actually pay *money* for some of that.
Oh, and can I just repeat that George Stephanopolous is a pale shadow in comparison to David Brinkley.
Laura W
@JenJen: I can’t speak for you, of course, but it’s been my lifelong fantasy to tell an ex-bank robber to scrub the toilet better.
This is SO HOT!
Kryptik
@Bill E Pilgrim:
No, I don’t think Cheney destroys the Republican party. You know why?
*BECAUSE THE MEDIA KEEPS FUCKING LEGITIMIZING HIM*.
He SHOULD be the party’s deathknell, but the media somehow continues to find a way to be apologists for him, and treat him as a ‘very serious person’ in regards to why Obama is destroying our national security so some brown people can invade with toothpicks, and that’s why we need to strap some electrodes to some bastard’s nuts.
We’ve seen it time and time again before, and seems to work on a monthly cycle: proof Cheney and torture didn’t work. Cheney comes on to say how wrong they are. Totally unsourced articles spout how Cheney is right despite the facts in the own damn article and reports they cite saying the opposite, Cheney is on again to discuss why he’s so damn right.
The WaPo article that was essentially an apologia to Cheney and the virtues of torture is just the latest since the beginning of this year.
Kryptik
Ugh…guh…no edit.
Everything before “No, I don’t think Cheney destroys the Republican party. You know why?” should’ve been blockquoted.
Indylib
@Warren Terra:
Maria started her journalism career straight out of college and worked in smaller media markets for about 6 years before she got a national gig. Not exactly comparable to Jenna.
SiubhanDuinne
@arguingwithsignposts: You can certainly say that, not only about Snuffleupagus but about pretty much any post-Brinkley teevee personage. I don’t recall anything coming close to Russert-level coverage when Brinkley died a few years ago. IMO, he was sadly undervalued as a broadcast journalist.
The Other Steve
I watched a bit of Snuffalupagus this morning.
They had on their wonderful panel… George Will. EJ Dionne, Liz Cheney, Gwen Ifill, Sam Donaldson. Now someone please explain to me how two conservative columnists, two journalists, and one liberal columnists is fair and balanced.
What was most amazing however. Liz Cheney could not shut the fuck up. She kept talking over everyone else to the point George actually had to tell her to shut up and let others get a say.
My guess: She’ll be invited back.
colleeniem
@Bill E Pilgrim: Yes, thank you. For some reason, I felt like punishing myself and watching “The Smartest Men in the Room” this afternoon. I appreciate the larffs:).
geg6
The Other Steve: I refuse to watch any show that has ANY Cheney on, but Liz herself turned me off by displaying that same behavior the one time I saw her on MTP. She seems to be practicing to be a senator because she sure has that filibuster thing down. She just talks and talks and talks (to the point where she begins to make no sense whatsoever) so that no one can ever point out how WRONG and EVIL she and her father are.
JenJen
@The Other Steve: @geg6: I’ll never forget watching “Morning Joe” one day a few months past… Liz Cheney walked onto set, Mika Brzezinski hugged her warmly, and Mika DID NOT TURN INTO A LIZARD-PERSON IMMEDIATELY.
I would never even attempt this dangerous maneuver. I don’t think it works for everybody.
KCinDC
What exactly do you think there is still to be revealed that will shame the torture supporters into abandoning Cheneyism? They’ve already thrown out any sense of decency and embraced the idea that any abomination is worth it if it’s to “keep America safe”.
The Bush regime’s embrace of torture, indefinite detention, and warrantless eavesdropping should have been the end for them and perhaps their party. Instead, it’s taken over the party, been legitimized by the fact that it’s the position of one of the two major parties, been treated as a civilized position by the media, corrupted a fair number of Democrats, and is well on its way to destroying the reputation of the United States as a whole, if it hasn’t already. There’s very little sign that we’re coming back.
arguingwithsignposts
@JenJen:
Because she already is one. The only reason she seems sane is because she’s seated next to Joke himself.
colleeniem
@geg6: I got so upset this morning, because she said something about heath care that should have been a juicy curveball with no curve out for the rest of the panel. She conflated the national debt with health care “costs” as in, costs for the consumer, in such a blatant attempt to confuse the two. NO ONE SAID ANYTHING. Bah.
colleeniem
@geg6: I got so upset this morning, because she said something about heath care that should have been a juicy curveball with no curve out for the rest of the panel. She conflated the national debt with health care “costs” as in, costs for the consumer, in such a blatant attempt to confuse the two. NO ONE SAID ANYTHING. Bah.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Kryptik:
Yeah they do but it’s not working, if you notice they got flattened in the last two elections.
The mainstream cable and network shows don’t have to stand up and say “Cheney is completely insane and way beyond the pale of reasonable discourse”, it’s evident just watching him.
Not to the fringe who loves him of course, but they represent less than 20% now.
That’s no danger to Democrats.
The danger to Democrats is in its representatives convincing themselves that they have to pander to the right. When they don’t.
20% is no power, zilch, none. The majority could push through whatever it wants, twist the arms of the Blue Dogs until they’re green and tell them that maybe if they get on board and stop acting like Republicans, Obama will remember their names next time. Maybe Reid will. Etc.
Does this happen? Nope. Why? I have no idea. Truly, it’s baffling.
Yes, the “media” makes it appear as if that 20% were 75%, that’s how it looks through their twisted lens. But it’s not, and it’s showing up at the polling places in as 20%, not 75%. Screw them. Don’t watch them, is even better. They’re not our problem, spineless pandering Democrats is the problem right now. Still. Amazingly enough.
Kryptik
@Bill E Pilgrim:
Well, that’s exactly the problem then, isn’t it?
Despite being wrecked at the polls, the Republicans are still functionally in charge. Republicans act like it, Democrats act like it, hell, the media acts like it unless there’s blame to go around. Then all of a sudden, reminders that Dems hold the majority and ‘*hey, why can’t Dems get it done? Are they just too partisan?*’.
And the problem isn’t convincing the proles that Cheney is toxic. It’s convincing Washington it is. That’s the whole thing, the media has ceased to act to inform *US*, for the most part, to try and persuade *US*. Instead, it’s to persuade our leaders that ‘this is what America REALLY wants, REALLY needs, don’t pay attention to those pesky polls that say the opposite, but these polls instead, and anonymous testimony that completely contradicts people who aren’t anonymous and are willing to put their names and careers on the line to say the truth.
The media innocuates our leaders from ever having to be progressive, because it convinces them that we’re just waiting to veer further to the right. And they’ve eaten the pablum up.
Brachiator
@arguingwithsignposts:
George Stephanopolous is a pale shadow in comparison to David Brinkley’s shadow.
Let’s hope this happens.
The Republicans appealed to fear. Fear won, for now. It may be possible to reclaim our values, but it won’t be easy.
Demo Woman
Has anyone seen Cindy by McCain’s side except during campaigns? Hmmm
Midnight Marauder
@KCinDC:
What exactly do you think there is still to be revealed that will shame the torture supporters into abandoning Cheneyism?
I know some pretty horrific and terrible things have been exposed so far, but I also know that time and time again, it has been demonstrated that the rabbit hole goes far deeper than we thought. And that just when you heard something and thought, “Wow, that’s pretty fucking terrible,” something else even more fucking terrible somehow bubbles up to the surface.
So yes, I think there are still a ton of facts and revelations out there that could prove to be so mind-bogglingly inhumane that even some currently deranged conservatives realize “holy shit, that’s terrible” and come back from the abyss. Doesn’t seem too likely right now, but I nonetheless think it’s possible.
General Winfield Stuck
@Demo Woman:
Maybe she ran off with Prince Valium.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Kryptik: I agree. But we have to see it from their perspective, e.g. that they “legitimize him”, well I mean he is the ex-Vice President after all. The fact that someone of such radical rightward extremism could be Vice President is another story, but he was, so it’s not that unusual that he’d be interviewed.
What frustrates me is that they do end up turning into a “duel” between him and Obama, as if anyone cared that much what Cheney thinks.
I also agree that part of the reason that Democrats let Republicans still be in charge is the whole echo chamber media of DC distorting things in that direction.
However, I also believe that if the Democrats just once acted like they had the majority that they do have, they could ignore what the media is saying and push things through.
Hell, why can’t they act like Republicans in THAT way, for once.
KCinDC
And time and time again it has been demonstrated that the same people who were supporting the first terrible thing will simply adjust their morals, degrade themselves a little further, and support the even more terrible thing.
I hope you’re right about there being a limit to what Republicans and the media (and scared Democrats) will accept, but I’m not seeing much evidence that there is.
Midnight Marauder
@KCinDC:
I hope you’re right about there being a limit to what Republicans and the media (and scared Democrats) will accept, but I’m not seeing much evidence that there is.
I agree that the evidence certainly isn’t too ample, but I think Bill E. @ 68 is on the right track. The number of dead-enders has been somewhat declining overall (at least it seems that way on a national level).
Either way, though, all you can really say is that it’s a perpetually depressing situation.
Comrade Darkness
@Demo Woman: She strikes me as one born into the knowledge of how to fully live a wealthy life.
Maybe she found another “project”.
Klaus
It’s the Strong-Man-worship, stupid. Weak Men are sorry they lost or cheated on their wives, Strong Men call themselves victims, deny the wrongdoing and lash out against critics, which is manly and hence worship-worthy.
Jackie
I think the only thing that is going to make an impact is some video. It’s harder to deny the reality if people see it. The CIA knew what it was doing when it destroyed the evidence. I’m hoping, in this digital age, some turns up anyway.
Xenos
Despite being wrecked at the polls, the Republicans are still functionally in charge.
This is always the case with revolutions. All the soft power systems that worked for the ancien regime are still in power, and act like it, until you hit some sort of tipping point. I would have sworn that the financial crisis would be a tipping point that put the middle class in charge, but that has not happened yet.
The wait is unnerving.
Victory
What is forgotten from this topic is, THE MEDIA LOVE JOHN MCCAIN.
Remember Tweety?
“We(The Media) are his base.”
The Sunday talk shows aren’t having the loser of the Presidential election on their shows, they are having John McCain, their hero, on their shows.
In this context his multitude of appearances makes sense.
ChrisB
@arguingwithsignposts:
Sez who?
mclaren
PALIN / JENNA 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!