For debate drinking games and what not to get ourselves ready for the debate tonight.
Expectations for Palin are quite low. As long as she does not murder a puppy then potty herself on stage, the pundits will proclaim it a win. And, after reading this, not murdering a puppy and wetting her pants is a step in the right direction:
Katie Couric: What do you think is the best and worst thing that Dick Cheney has done as vice president?
Joe Biden: I’m not being a wise guy here … that I don’t know what he’s done. I mean, there’s not many things I’d pick that I thought he’s done that have been good. But I admire his strength. I admire his willingness to take positions that are completely contrary to popular opinion. But I think that what he’s done has been just, I don’t think Dick Cheney trusts that the American people can make judgments that are in the interest of the country. But the thing I think he’s really, really has done: I think he’s done more harm than any other single high elected official in memory in terms of shredding the constitution. You know, condoning torture, pushing torture as a policy. This idea of a unitary executive, meaning the Congress and the people have no power in a time of war, and the president controls everything. I don’t have any animus toward Dick Cheney but I really do think his attitude about the constitution and the prosecution of this war has been absolutely wrong.
Palin: Worst thing, I guess that would have been the duck-hunting accident, where you know, that was an accident. And that I think that was made into a caricature of him. And that was kind of unfortunate.
So, the best thing though, he’s shown support, along with George W. Bush, of our troops. And I’ve been there when George Bush has spoken to families of those who have suffered greatly, those who are serving in the military. I’ve been there when President Bush has embraced those families and expressed the concern and the sympathy speaking for all of America in those times. And for Dick Cheney to have supported that effort of George Bush’s. I respect that.
Just compare those two. One is an answer. The other is a diary at Red State.
Martin
Palin: "I think the best thing Dick Cheney has done is not have an abortion or perform an abortion on other people…"
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Palin: "I think the best thing George Bush has done is not have an abortion or perform an abortion on other people…"
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Palin: "I think the best thing John McCain has done is not have an abortion or perform an abortion on other people…"
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Comrade Incertus
Watch an awesome speech beforehand, to get a sense of what you’ll be missing from Palin. I got it from Ta-Nehisi Coates–it’s Richard Trumka of the AFL-CIO talking about race.
Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
!http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z147/lauraw217/ItsYourColorDear.jpg!
(last photo for the night, I swear. Maybe. No, really.)
Man…that latest Couric contrast set up is the perfect lead in for tonight. She was forced to choose and give examples this time, and in juxtaposition to Biden’s thoughtful, intelligent answers…pissing in the wind. Or on herself.
Please dear Shiva let that be an indicator of how tonight will go.
$25 to Obama if anyone says "lipstick" or "pig".
(sorry the foto’s so big. I’ll stop now. Love the edit option! Love the new site.)
Товарищ НеинтереснаяСобака
If I were an evil man I’d start off with something like this:
1 drink for every "literally"
1 drink for every "ladies and gentlemen"
1 drink for every valley girl "like"
1 drink for every "ya know"
1 drink for every reference to life in Alaska
2 drinks for every mention of the PTA
and
Drain the bottle in the case of "Sarah, you ignorant slut."
Others?
Will
Hmmm…. Playoff baseball or Carabou Barbie? Tough call whether watching Palin’s sneer or a Dodgers win will be more painful.
Not My Fault
She is more like Bush than Bush is. Reminds me of when Bush was asked about his best moment in office and he said catching a big fish
Comrade Incertus
I’d say the best thing that Cheney has done, in all seriousness, is not disown his daughter for being a lesbian. Of course, his wife wasn’t above using her daughter’s openness about that as a political club, which pretty much makes her an irredeemable piece of crap, and he’s supported legislation which would keep his own daughter a second-class citizen, but he didn’t disown her, so that’s something.
ed
Worst.
Candidate for Vice President.
Ever.
South of I-10
I have a bottle of elitist Pinot Noir ready to go. I imagine I will need the better part of it to make it through this debate.
Comrade Incertus
I bought a 12-pack of Yuengling because I’m broke and it’s the cheapest beer I can get myself to drink. I suspect it’ll get ugly around here tonight.
Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
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Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
how come cite goes onto the bottom line?
Who cares. I’ll work on that tomorrow.
For tonight, I can post PHOTOS!
Baby steps.
Товарищ НеинтереснаяСобака
You don’t include attributes in closing tags. Proper use is:
<blockquote cite="url where you got it">Quoted Stuff</blockquote>
You don’t need the citation, though.
Joshau Norton
Of course I know all about Kirkuk. He was played by William Shatner.
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
I’ve got some fine Ontario microbrewery product (Creemore and Steam Whistle). And dumplings. Sweet, awesome leek and pork potstickers, because KFC is inadequate to absorb the volume of alcohol I’ll be consuming.
Tomorrow is a work day. Theoretically.
tripletee (formerly tBone)
Palin rambles incoherently, randomly inserting unrelated talking points = 1 sip
Palin utters a F.A.I.L. (Fucking Awesome Insane Lie) = 1 drink
Palin awkwardly shoehorns in a reference to a Supreme Court decision and/or a major newspaper or magazine = 2 drinks
Biden refers to Palin as "clean and articulate" = rob a liquor store and stay drunk until Nov. 5
OT: the new iPhone-formatted version of the site is spiffy and all, but it doesn’t have access to comments and there’s no way to load the full version of the site. Could we have a choice instead of being automatically redirected? I do a lot of reading on my phone and I can’t stand not being able to see the comments.
Stuck in the Fun House
LOL, query for Madame Moose. Would being caricatured hurt as much as #6 Buckshot embedded in face and neck. Or as Mccain would say "sometimes life ain’t fair"
And Jane Jug-wine. That image is really sick, and I love it!!
South of I-10
@Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W):
More than one would render me completely worthless at work tomorrow. I would like to continue to be able to afford elitist Pinot Noir in the coming apocalypse of financial ruin, so it is probably best not to piss the boss man off too badly.
Comrade Incertus
Or do my own commenting. Yeah, I’m that pathetic. Want to fight about it?
Katherine
John Cole and crew: Who are you? Do y’all mind adding a brief bio section? I’ll share mine if you share yours.
Love the new site too
Mike S
I am actually scared. This country has proven time and again that they will elect the biggest idiots out there.
Liz
Dammit. Of all the nights not to be able to drink. Stupid cold. Maybe I’ll make myself some "hot toddies" or something. Or maybe I’ll wait tomorrow for the highlights. (Bad citizen…)
Tiparillo
KirkUK – is that the Bristish Kirk?
tripletee (formerly tBone)
@Comrade Incertus: Are we fighting about who’s more pathetic? I don’t think you know what you’re getting into here.
Jeff
@Comrade Incertus: What legislation did Cheney support. Everything I’ve read makes Cheney sound pretty progressive on Gay/Lesbian issues.
Tim
Why in the hell does Biden not have any "animus" toward Dick Cheney? I mean, really, what would it take?
Joe is a slimey slickster, a true Beltway good old boy ready to slap the back of the sleaziest republican war profiteer if he runs into him at a cocktail party.
Gross.
uila
hmmm, what does that remind of….
oh yeah, Hansel:
The People's Glorious Pantload of Studliness
Since Bible Spice has been hearing Biden’s speeches since the days when she’d field dress her Bullwinkle doll and shove the remains in her EZ Bake oven, I’d looooooove to hear Ms. Ifill quiz her as to which of his speeches made the biggest impact on her.
Expect something like, Well, in the long history of Joe Biden’s career, he’s made, you know, many speeches, that’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are those issues, again. So you know, going through the history of his career, there would be others but …
South of I-10
@Liz:
My hot toddy recipe:
shot of bourbon
1 tablespoon of honey
2 teaspoons of lemon juice
1/4 cup of water
It really does make you feel better. Sometimes I add a tiny bit of cayenne pepper and/or cinammon too.
cyntax
I’m thinking a drink* for every "you betcha" and I’m not making it in to work tomorrow.
*Drink defined as a good swig of Racer 5 IPA.
jnfr
We’re going to play Palin Bingo. I’ve fully stocked the wine rack and we’re ordering pizza so no one has to cook. It’s going to be a long, tough night, but we’re up for it.
schmedlab
WIN!!!
Martin
Don’t overlook the healing power of adding another 1/4 cup of bourbon, either.
Comrade Scrutinizer
So now the McCain campaign is saying that CBS left the good answers on the cutting room floor, and ran the answers that made Palin look bad.
Jeff
This is utter BS. Nevertheless, no amount of good answers could make up for the bad ones.
Martin
The ticking-time-bomb on editing comments is really more stress than I can manage. I feel like I should do something, lest an opportunity be lost, even though I wouldn’t change anything.
Oh God, it’s down to 1 minute!
ye ye ye
the irony is that she doesn’t realize she has become a caricature.
Stuck in the Fun House
I am brilliant good lookin’ and funny. This is all you need to know. Can’t speak for the rest of these yahoos though.
SamFromUtah
So now the McCain campaign is saying that CBS left the good answers on the cutting room floor, and ran the answers that made Palin look bad.
Sounds to me like a challenge to them to broadcast the whole damn thing. Bring it, says I.
Comrade Incertus
@Jeff: He supported the federal marriage amendment, or at the very least he didn’t come out in opposition to it. In recent years, of course, he hasn’t had a ton of influence on actual legislation, but he’s certainly not bucking his party vocally on the issue.
RandyH
What happened to the cool HTML formatting buttons for the comment editing box?
Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
@Товарищ НеинтереснаяСобака:
Thank you! and DOH.
@Fun House:
Thank you! and I take no credit for the photoshop art. A pal does that for me. I do, however, take credit for the photos of my Annie and some of the creative ideas. I just place orders and she executes. Nice deal.
Hey…I saw a sign behind Tweety that read:
McFAILin
It looked super slick and professionally made. I’d never seen it before, but I liked it a lot, and I think someone on this site surely must’ve created it.
Comrade Scrutinizer
We were bad so they took them away. Wait til you see the Black Screen of Censorship.
Comrade Scrutinizer
Don’t say that. None of us will ever be able to get on an airplane again.
ThymeZone
Biden gave an answer and Palin wrote a Red State post.
And if that is what happens tonight, that’s fine. Palin’s base will think she is "just like us" and be pleased.
Obama’s base will think Biden is "prepared and informed" and be pleased.
Then there are those poor souls who are "undecided."
How do they react? I think they react largely in accordance with existing numbers, and go 60-40 toward our side.
And so by this weekend, we have 12-13 point lead.
MikeL
Palin: Couric is unethical, I have a journalism degree, so I know.
Journalism Prof from her Alma Matter: Not so much.
Jeff
@Comrade Incertus: He actually said he opposed it; but, it was not his decision because the President decides the policy. I dislike defending Cheney, but I believe he was not completely silent. He was hypocritical about getting pissed at Kerry during the debates.
Товарищ НеинтереснаяСобака
Completely off-topic, but what the hell happened to PC hardware prices? A $200 video card (9800GTX) today beats the shit out of a $600 video card (8800 Ultra) available six months ago!?!? What happened in the last six months?
JL
Bio’s would be interesting. John was an old fashioned repub before they became the big spenders and social conservatives. It has been fun to watch the transformation. Of course some of us realized that the repubs died with Reagan’s firing of David Stockman.
Lab2112
So what will you welfare-grubbing socialists do right after Palin indisputably demolishes Biden on live television?
(Here’s a hint: the Japanese have this thing called seppuku. You might want to look into that and do the rest of us a favor.)
Keith
Palin mentions Track and/or Trig -> 1 sip
Palin mentions Bristol -> 1 chug
Palin mentions Hillary -> 1 sip
Biden says "Sarah, I know Hillary….you’re no Hillary" -> 1 chug
Palin says "Gwen" more than 3 times in a single response -> 1 sip per "Gwen"
Palin spews out an obviously pre-rehearsed and thus obviously out-of-place joke about Biden -> 1 sip
Biden scratches his nose with his middle finger in response to a Palin crack -> chug
Palin cries -> beer bong the rest of your booze
OT, Dana Bash looks like something out a Tim Burton claymation flick on HDTV. Yeeeeeeesh. Too bad Ann Coulter doesn’t appear on CNN because that should be even worse.
JGabriel
Politico:
You can put lipstick on a pitbull, but it’s still a violent bitch.
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Comrade Incertus
@MikeL: Oh the wingnuts are gonna love this.
DrDave
@Not My Fault:
She speaks with more confidence than Bush does. But–and this is the part about her that scares the living shit out of me–she makes him look worldly by comparison. She is either too stupid or too pompous or too naive to recognize how far out of her depth she is.
JL
KO is talking about Palin’s answer about Cheney. I’m still curious why The Flintstones wasn’t her favorite movie. Afterall it was a show about ordinary folks living among dinosaurs.
Dennis - SGMM
Completely off-topic, but what the hell happened to PC hardware prices?
Any piece of PC hardware is obsolete and overpriced by the time you install it.
JL
Now that John has a fancy site, he is going to attract more trolls. Just remember not to feed them.
Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
Acutally, I believe she does. Recall the Couric interview piece about "seeing Russia", was it? Palin started to say how funny it was that this bit about her foreign policy experience had become a…a…car…i…car…ica….
and Katie offered: "MOCKED".
(At least that’s how my memory stored it.)
I thought she was about to say it had become a caricature of her but maybe didn’t know how to prounounce the word so held back.
She knows.
Lookit me, blockquotin’ all good and all. I feel like hollerin’, y’all.
It’s too early to be +2.5. I’d better eat another Mooseburger.
And now I am craving PINOT, thanks very much, South of I-10!
JGabriel
A couple weeks ago there was a video clip of Joe Biden talking about Republicans, how they remind him of those mean kids who used to come up to you in school and say "Hey, nice shoes. Hand-me-downs from your brother?"
I hope Joe remembers to use that story tonight when Sarah goes mean.
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PC
What’s wrong with my prices?
Товарищ НеинтереснаяСобака
Yeah, but price vs. performance has been pretty much stable for the last year and a half. Did something special happen or were they just trying to weasel money out of people for overpriced hardware for as long as possible?
Dennis - SGMM
So what will you welfare-grubbing socialists do right after Palin indisputably demolishes Biden on live television?
We’ll do just what you do: believe in an alternate reality.
As for seppuku, who will pay all the tax money to the Red states after we’re gone? Left to your own exertions, grinding poverty is the best you can do.
tagged45
I second the call for mini bios on the site. I want to know who I’m getting my ill-informed opinion from!
JL
@Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W): How did you block quote? I tried earlier and it did not work.
Dennis - SGMM
Did something special happen or were they just trying to weasel money out of people for overpriced hardware for as long as possible?
The arms race between the game developers was driving hardware requirements for years. They may have reached the limits of DirectX whateveritis.
Stevenovitch
The 8800 was way over the usual price when it came out. It came out alongside Vista when all the enthusiasts were building new rigs to take advantage of Vista’s supposed performance boost. At the time, the 8800 was the only high end card that supported dx10. IIRC it took ATI a good amount of time to come up with a competing card. Given that they were the only ones in the market space, nVidia charged accordingly.
Of course, nVidia released shitty drivers for it and stability was a huge issue for a lot of early adopters. Also, it turned out that Vista and dx10 was actually hurting performance more than helping it.
Svensker
Oh, please, can we feed them? Please? Just some little bits of dried up, moldy bread? I’ve got ’em right here, next to the computer and everything. Please?
I just get all hot and sort of tingly when I get called a socialist. It makes me feel so blonde and, well, svelte, ya know?
Svensker
Oooh, getting moderated makes me feel tingly, too.
JGabriel
Scrutinizer:
Theresa the CBS Cleaning Lady:
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Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
JL:
See #13 with an assist from my NBF Товарищ НеинтереснаяСобака
I liked the little buttons because they offered me a vast variety of resources in one tiny little tidy package. All I had to do was choose one and click on. And then choose it again and click again. And such as. And all. Y’all.
Phoenician in a time of Romans
Palin: Worst thing, I guess that would have been the duck-hunting accident, where you know, that was an accident. And that I think that was made into a caricature of him. And that was kind of unfortunate.
Riffing on a recent video:
Palin for Vice-President! If she shoots you in the face, you know she means it.
r€nato
I would love to watch the debate – hoping for a righteous smackdown – but FSM I can’t stand to listen to that woman’s voice.
I’ll be drinking too, just to take the edge off and get through it without flinging objects at the TV screen.
South of I-10
Sorry about that. There is still time to run to the store and endulge in the elitist snobbery of a nice Pinot. I am currently enjoying the Sebastiani Pinot. If the debate gets really bad, I have some High Life in the fridge as back up.
r€nato
Yeah, that is probably the audio slate she laid down at the beginning of the interview.
(audio slate is where the interview subject says their name and spells it right at the beginning of the interview)
It was all downhill from there, but technically I’ll give the McCain camp the benefit of the doubt on that one… though it’s nothing to be proud of.
Dennis - SGMM
I’ve got it:
Palin: (Holding pistol to her head) Either I win this debate or the bitch gets it!
Media: Okay, okay. You win.
JGabriel
They’re higher than your momma’s!
Ba-dum-bump.
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srv
No matter how this turns out tonight for Palin, I am embarrassed for my country.
South of I-10
I am less embarassed than I am afraid. The thought of Palin in the White House scares the hell out of me. I don’t understand how seemingly rational people can think she is great – have they listened to a word she has said?
Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
It really sucks when you laugh at 8:42EST and realize it’s the first LOL all day.
But I thank you for it, anyway.
Fucking politics. Sucking out all of my funny.
(man I love the edit feature but I might need more help with my block quoting if this here edit doesn’t take.)
Keith
Part of it may be ATI (since bought by AMD) and nVidia were defendents in a class action lawsuit related to price-fixing of their cards. The $600 cards were pretty damn ridiculous, IMO, and I’m glad to hear the price/performance is so good at $200 now (my machine is pushing 4 years old).
Delia
I have no idea how to use that frakkin’ html code to embed links. And last night I’d just figured out how to use the exclamation marks to embed images. Does still work? And I already know the screen’s going to turn black if the thread gets too long. Damn newfangled shit.
Brian J
How many times do you think she’ll slip in mentions of John McCain’s POWness?
Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
Delia, the !! for images works. See my Annie putting lipstick on
Sarahpig above.I’m now struggling with blockquotes.
But I am a total homo-t-l blockhead.
Oooo…12 min till showdown.
I hope they take potty breaks tonight!
Surely they will, for Sarah’s sake, if not mine.
Tsulagi
Are the "Palin won the debate!" ads out yet?
I know it’s way to much to ask for, but I’m hoping she’ll slide into full Miss SC mode. Maybe propose building an oil molecule collider to unlock the secrets of fungible particles in job creation. That would be a lot better entertainment than if she comes out as an attack chihuahua.
JL
@Delia: so do you miss the word press error, also? On KO they are now talking about how Palin has to show the depth of her knowledge. What knowledge does Palin have?
Louise
South of I-10, I’m with you. I’m afraid. Afraid she’ll somehow come out of this debate alive and well and the press will decide "ok, we’ve been hard on McCain-Palin for a while so let’s steer things the other way." After all, only a close race sells advertising. And the polls will shift again and God Help Us, those two will be in the White House.
I truly don’t know how I"ll get out of bed in the morning if that happens.
I don’t think I can watch. I think I’ll just watch all of you watch.
Just Some Fuckhead
John, I hate most of the new look of the site, hate the font, hate the alternating colors in the comments, hate all the fucking commenter pics, hate the giant calender-looking numbers on the comments, hate the overwrought blockquoting.
I like the new Balloon-Juice header.
Otherwise, it’s just too much trouble reading the site now. A situation exacerbated by the hideous amount of commenting crap that seems to be a by-product of easier site access.
I’ll try to adjust to it.
Nevermind, comment-editing compensates for all the bad stuff.
And the comment-editing timer is a real plus. Otherwise, I’d prolly only be able to get one comment – heavily edited of course – in per day.
Comrade Napoleon
Well almost show time. I will turn the computer off and check in later.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
I’m not chugging tonight, but I don’t think I can get through this debate without a few sips at least.
Here we go…
gex
A recent study found that conservatives are more likely to hang on to their belief in something that is untrue when presented with evidence of it’s untruth. Of course, I’m giving conservatives the benefit of the doubt on your qualifier "rational".
jnfr
On the laptop now, and my comment box is huge.
JGabriel
Just Some Fuckhead:
JSF, the font looks much better if you turn on Clear Type rendering/aliasing.
Frankly, I hate Clear Type so much that I do without and suffer the font as is. But if you have no particular aversion to Clear Type, you might want to try turning it on.
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Brian J
There’s a post at TPM Election Central that talks about how Indiana and North Carolina are way too close for comfort for the Republicans. Have we gotten to the point where they are already lost for the Republicans, or are they usually so Republican in nature that it’s really not over until it’s over in these states?
Comrade Incertus
Better pee now.
JGabriel
And the debate begins!
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Conservatively Liberal
I expect to see Sarah burning up the 90 second clock by slowing down her responses so she says less with each response. She tends to respond quickly (without thinking) and I bet they have been working hard to throttle her back to reduce the chances for gaffes.
It starts! Fore! ;)
Товарищ НеинтереснаяСобака
I have a feeling the CNN "this is what you’re supposed to think"-meter will be fun tonight.
tavella
This little slideshow on Biden debate prep amused me considerably.
Dreggas
She’s nervous, it’s going to be a fun night.
JGabriel
I can call you Sarah
And Sarah, when you call me,
You can call me Joooe…
(Apologies to Paul Simon)
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Delia
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Biden is hoarse on the first question, oh oh!
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
"I’ll betcha!" = swig.
Shit. Wish the Beer Store delivered.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Five minutes in and we have our first ‘betcha’.
Damn, she really is Marge Gunderson’s sister.
Dreggas
BWAHAHAHAHA
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
Bipartisan — suspending campaign — McCain? Gag.
Товарищ НеинтереснаяСобака
Hah! The meter dipped as soon as she said "John McCain." Hell, it dipped every time she said "John McCain."
JGabriel
Sarah already starting with the lies that McCain had foresight wrt Fannie/Freddie.
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Dreggas
she just showed she’s out of touch.
PC
Failin’ Palin looks terrified.
Scott H
"I’ll betcha!" all of you will be soused inside the first half hour.
LiberalTarian
Just some fuckhead.
Why let the door hit you on the ass on your way out?
I contributed … I feel pretty good about what we got.
From the preview it looks like the old html works, which is good. I’m kinda slow on new stuff. But, I love being able to imbed pics, etc. And, being able to edit??? LOVELY. Goodonya John.
Well, at least the edit works.
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
Is CNN streaming? I have to see this.
Delia
Oh hell, she winked when she said work force.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Why am I hearing Don Henley singing ‘Dirty Laundry’ in the background?
JL
Biden is going to deck her. Maybe Noah was right.
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
"Darn right it was the predator lenders."
Jesus. She’s two minutes from slipping in a chaw of tabbacky.
EDIT: Joe Six Pack and hockey moms? She is just monumentally self-involved, isn’t she?
Just Some Fuckhead
You got four minutes to fix that shit, Liberaltarian.
Chris Johnson
Hey, my name links to a whole web-comic with all kinds of bizarre fiction writing and stuff. Plus I’m a socialist and so is my Senator. So I can say whatever the fuck I want, knowing that nobody will ever be compelled to take me seriously. You’re welcome :D
jnfr
Betcha!
Maverick!
Hockey Mom!
Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
Wink Maverick Reformer.
You Betcha’!
My cringe factor is stroking out.
Joe Six Pack!
Hockey Mom!
She’s blowing her circuits in the 3rd question.
I can’t believe she winked.
Hurtin’
Heck of a lot
Oh Lord my head is exploding.
kommrade jakevich
I can’t do it. I can’t watch to that critter with the Pseudo-sota accent pretend she has any qualifications beyond a pulse to be anywhere near the White House as anything other than a tourist.
Comrade Kolkhoznik Jon H
Hey BIDEN! Look at the goddam camera, dumbass.
Thanks. (He just looked).
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
I’m listening from upstairs, can’t watch.
Ooh. She’s slamming Barack about taxes. Joe is gonna kick her ass — kindly and non-sexistly.
Conservatively Liberal
The $42,000 lie pops up! Fire away Joe!
Wini
What’s wrong with the people turning the dials on CNN? Dammit.
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
Joe: "Using those standards, McCain voted 447 times to raise taxes. You didn’t answer the question …"
Now she’s arguing that she may not answer the way he or the moderator wants, but she’ll speak straight to the American people. Now bragging about how she eliminated taxes in Alaska — ARRGH!!
Someone who gets CNN: what does the tracker show?
And I think the series of shorter questions and answers is going to exhaust her.
Shit, Wini: are they falling for the bullshit?
cain
I’m watching on CSPAN.. I don’t want no talking heads. Sometimes, I have a hard time following Palin’s explanations…
Overall, I find this kind of boring as it’s the same campaign talking points. She is charming though as we thought she would be.
cain
Wini
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
The ticker shows male uncommitted Ohio voters in green and female uncommitted Ohio voters in orange.
Just Some Fuckhead
Christ, Biden is making me cringe. He looks and sounds tired. Pretty sure he should be napping on the train to Wilmington right now.
Dreggas
She hasn’t been doing great with women though.
cain
*POW* by Biden! "Ultimate bridge to nowhere!" Great response by Biden.
cain
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
Come on: did CNN go for Joe’s home run on health? They can’t be buying her nonsense, can they?
God. I’m moving to Canada.
Oh, shit. I’m already here. And if you guys fuck up the election, we get a dose of your shit, too.
I just turned off the tv. I can’t take this.
cain
Yeah, there was some cringe-worthy stuff that. I wish Biden would fucking look at the camera and smile like Palin does.
No more from me for awhile..
cain
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I think the reason why she’s getting higher meter readings that we would expect is that people are judging her on personality, not on policy answers. Biden gets some very high scores among women though. Palin is getting straight flat line on energy answer. Good!
dr. bloor
She’s chopping her stump speech into small, time allotted bits that frequently have nothing to do with the posed questions. This will delight the base and fail epically with everyone else.
tavella
Remember, you are talking about people so disconnected that they still have no idea who they want to vote for. These are not people who are affected by facts or reality, they go off of emotion.
Wini
On CNN, they’re liking Joe more now… maybe the Palin "charm" is wearing off? Plus, it’s only Ohio… so while important, not representative of all of us.
Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
She did it she did it she did it!
About 9:25EST.
She blew her circuits on the BK question!
98 talking point phrases strung together.
I wanna see it in replay!
Here she goes again…changing the subject.
God this is way better than I’d hoped.
I’m sure it’ll be spun tomorrow as patronizing, but I LOVE Biden’s big white teeth smile at her.
He just keeps flashing her.
I mean, what’s not to laugh at?
Good Lord. She’s doing just what they said she would. Talking relentlessly, in circles. In poor grammar and crappy sentence structure.
I’m so happy.
pppppuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Oh no! Temp changes!
I wanna see this on replay too.
I wanna see the whole debate on replay. Day after day after day.
Do you think McCain is needing a Depends change about now?
Breathe, Sarah, BREATHE.
ThymeZone
She is not one to attribute every activity of man to the change in the climate.
A complete bunglefuck of the idea she made the other day, which I thought was a mistake of nervousness …. but here it was again.
Okay, maybe she means it. Man’s actitivity is not due to global warming.
On that, I agree with her. She’s right, doggone it!
BTW, getting a "comments closed" and Word Press error when posting to top thread.
jcricket
I am Tivo-ing the debate so I can watch it on fast forward later (my wife would blow a gasket watching 2 hours of politics). But I’m reading the live blogging here and elsewhere.
I am so happy she’s not doing well. I don’t care if she comes out "unscathed" and gets some "kudos" for not calling Biden a "doddering old fool" or a "radical homosexual" or whatever. I just don’t want anything to change the narrative of Palin and McCain in free-fall.
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
I can’t stay away.
I can’t even open BJ from IE: I eventually get the mobile version after several crashes, then it crashes again.
kommrade jakevich
Marriage is between one man and one woman.
Or one teen-aged girl and one fucking redneck boy.
Christ, I can’t believe the Log Cabin Republicans are going for this crap.
jcricket
No no no. Hold your breath while waiting to answer, and then spew out whatever comes to your mind. Please Sarah.
The Moar You Know
Biden looks appalled.
Francis
Talibany leadership… WTF?
kommrade jakevich
Eh John, what’s with the comments, or lack thereof in the next thread.
Aaand, apparently soldiers and civilians alike will be happy to hear we have to stay in Iraq until Al Quiada, Sunni and Shite insurgents are gone, Iraq has a functioning government and the elusive victory pony is captured.
Fail.
Conservatively Liberal
I lost the ability to comment in the other thread. Wassup?
Sarah is in over her head and flailing wildly.
Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
Yeah, they moved the party to a new thread and locked us out.
I don’t know what offends me more…that or Sarah.
Jesus Christ I hope people see right through this crap.
I don’t think I’ve ever hated her more.
I don’t say hate a lot.
If Obama were not tearing up the electoral map this week, I’d be figuring out how to move 4 cats and one dog to Italy tonight.
ooooooooo…foreign affairs up now!
Товарищ НеинтереснаяСобака
I think one of the updates killed the comments in the next thread. Bug, or did John hit the wrong button?
jcricket
I’m actually acquainted with the guy who’s the pres (or was) of the log cabin republicans in WA state. He’s like Sullivan – anti abortion, anti-taxes and pro-war – so that trumps any rights for himself.
He’s otherwise a reasonably smart guy, but I can’t get past his poor judgment as part of that organization.
30 years ago? Maybe. But in the last 10 years? Not a chance a gay person belongs in the Republican party. They hate gays – tolerating them even less than Jews (who have to exist so the Rapture can occur).
Gays who vote for Republicans are idiots, plain and simple.
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
(CNN tracking scores update? Do women still meh her and men still love her?)
Bugs and stuff: the debate thread was up to 83 comments, then dropped to 81, before it got locked. I didn’t see anything odd posted and if it was an update, why does this thread still work?
AnneLaurie
The female equivalent is "You are soooo pretty in that dress! I think it looks even better on you than it did when I wore it to last year’s prom!"
Except that this debate is supposed to be about ideas, not fashions, and any useful ideas Palin may spout will have been stolen from members of the reality-based community, i.e., not-Republicans…
JGabriel
Still saying "nucular", Sarah.
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Delia
Biden sounds like he really knows what he’s talking about on Pakistan. Then we get Palin who goes to her cliches.
Nukular.
Castro brothers. She can’t even stay on topic.
Conservatively Liberal
Nook-U-lar…
Now she is tossing out the dictators list she was given to show that she can pronounce funny sounding names!
I’m sold!
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
Andrew Sullivan thinks Ifill is in the tank for Palin, and that Biden is dreadful. That’s just him, right?
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No, now pretty much everyone mehs her.
cain
yeah, dammit.. it’s not nukular! Dammit! BTW why has that other thread closed down?
cain
4jkb4ia
I wonder if she was coached to say "nukular". The scriptedness of this last answer was transparent.
JL
I want Biden to ask Gwen if he can change topics like Sarah.
Wini
I love that both Biden and Obama have corrected the Iran meme that Ahkmadinejad is in the ultimate in charge..
Annette
Testing for load…
Just Some Fuckhead
And the Israel fetish.. classic wingnut.
Delia
The Moar You Know
I can’t do it, guys. I can’t watch that stupid brain-dead simpleton up there, so supremely confident in her imagined competence as she spews out garbled talking points like a high-school drunk vomits up wine coolers. She’s a fucking idiot. I’m going to go take a shower and have a drink and then go to bed. It’s a goddamned insult to me, all of you, America, Joe Biden and Gwen Ifill for Sarah Palin to even be on that stage, and she should apologize to each and every one of us, personally, for wasting all of our time and energy. And so should the fossilized old lech that is reponsible for this insult to mediocrity being up on that stage, John McCain.
jcricket
Sullivan’s judgment is ridiculously bad. He’s about as good at political judgment as Jim Cramer is at picking stocks.
Occasionally he hits something out of the park (his opposition to torture), but most of the time he’s just word-masturbating and promoting Platonic ideals of principles that no one in his party has ever lived up to.
We listen to him because we think people with British accents sound smart.
I don’t predict the public will see the debate as negatively for Palin as the partisan blogs are reporting, but unless it’s all about her glittering smile, it seems like this won’t change the narrative that’s already in people’s minds about Palin (vague, unprepared, but friendly).
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Uh, oh. As I post this, I’m staring at comment number 163. As you gaze for long into an abyss…
And, yet, there is no black censor bar. Fixed?
4jkb4ia
I think Biden is kicking butt, but I am an elitist so be careful.
Jane Jug-Wine (aka Laura W)
Post of the day
#167
(I read Sully and ran right back here. I can’t believe he is watching the same shit I am.)
Really…I only dared hope she’d be this bad.
I feared she’d be a little less bad.
She blows chunks.
I’m not gonna say one word about Biden that’s negative because she is just horrifying and like Moar says, I feel pity he has to share the stage with her.
However, he needs to stop SIGHING so loudly into his mic.
I’ve heard him do it 3 times, and he’s gonna get busted for it if he doesn’t start holding his breath.
Then he can just stroke out and end this stations of the cross torture parade.
(Catholic school girl flashbacks in progress.)
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You know, I keep hearing her say "what’s best for the people" but she never explains WTF that means! I’m pretty sure she and I would disagree on what’s best for the people.
Comrade Scrutinizer
ARGH! It’s broke!
The alternate reality that is Pat Buchanan…
charlotte
Shorter Palin: "I’m proud to be dumb and also too inappropriate!"
Somewhere in the America Tina Fey is winking straight into her mirror.
I thought I detected one moment there where Biden struggled not to LOL. That man deserves a medal.