When the revolution comes, the first up against the wall won’t be the right-wingers in government, it will be the centrist establishment media who enable them.
Exhibit A:
Quit singing, Democrats. The health-care vote wasn't good for you or anyone else. https://t.co/Vox3NrMGJY
— Stephen Stromberg (@strombergsteve) May 4, 2017
Exhibit B:
The House of Representatives has taken on all the decorum and class of every high school hockey game I played pic.twitter.com/0wGp5sUTr6
— andrew kaczynski ? (@KFILE) May 4, 2017
Exhibit C:
Why people hate politics, explained in less than a minutehttps://t.co/wSUDoRIkjg pic.twitter.com/EIr6y6KQcm
— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) May 4, 2017
That’s right folks, singing “Hey hey goodbye” is just as bad as effectively murdering thousands of your fellow citizens.
We will strangle them with the pearls they clutch.
Swannie
The mask slips.
MP
I wonder what sort of sorting algorithm God will use. My guess is she’ll opt of the simple bubble sort, but who knows?
Baud
I don’t know who these people are except Chris Cillizza.
Goku
Fuck’em. You’re speakin’ my language Doug
Villago Delenda Est
My nym. Over and over again.
ArchTeryx
Yeah. They voted to murder me and then had a kegger about it.
Not that the House hasn’t always been a snake pit. Go watch the House vote scene from Lincoln if you want proof of that.
Yarrow
You go to war with the media you have, not the media you wish you had.
Keith P.
i actually heard one news anchor (CNN maybe?) bring up that “na-na-na” was payback for the GOP *doing the same thing* several years ago after a tax vote.
Jerry
Time to put this on a t-shirt:
geg6
I want them all dead. To suffer horribly and die painfully. And not just them, but everyone they love. I will laugh and laugh and laugh. And I want it even more because they have reduced me to this.
geg6
@Bailey:
Fuck off and die, troll.
Ithink
Pardon the overused adverb/pronoun/& or verb, but seriously fuck all of them.
I don’t know who any of these perennial second-rate media canker sores are anyways. And the less any of us here about or from Very Serious know-nothing pundit Chris Cilizza, the better.
We know the Truth & The Resistance is in FULL swing. If by some miracle of the underworld demons this POS legislation passes the Senate, the Republicans have officially signed, sealed & certified their epitaphs for the 2018 Midterms & 2020 General. Charlie Pierce absolutely killed it today coming back from an illness absence over @ Esquire; all my sentiments EXACTLY!:)
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a54896/republican-healthcare-bill-pass/
Goku
@geg6: I also want Bailey dead as well
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
Can’t find it right now, but there was a tweet in my timeline that compared Politico’s coverage of the bill’s effects with even-the-liberal Fuck the Fucking New York Times. Guess which one came off better.
NotMax
Hard pressed to come up with a more repellent three-word headline.
Unless maybe A Final Solution.
Used to shun your non-music themed threads. Time has come to do so again.
Goku
@Bailey: Fuck the moral high ground. The world doesn’t work that way and never really has. Republicans and their voters deserve to die. Period.
Edit: I’m sick of your concern trollish shit
Yarrow
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): I saw that same thing. Vichy Times. Republican Times. Fascist Times. Pick whatever works.
Roger Moore
I wonder if they clutched their pearls equally hard when the Republicans did it in 1993.
Sab
Who the phuck didn’t vote? Four Congress critters didn’t vote!
Don’t they get substantial salaries to, among other things, vote?
JMG
Don’t get mad, get even. Support the 2020 nominee who pledges to break up the telecom oligopolies and promises to allow a la carte cable. Cable news dies the next day after those things happen.
efgoldman
@Bailey:
Why don’t you take your sorry troll ass over to Red State where you really belong.
A Ghost to Most
@Bailey:
Your concern is duly noted.
We don’t care.
I thought it was defiant.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@Yarrow: Butthurt Bunker (h/t Mary G)
Villago Delenda Est
@Bailey: On this blog? Yes.
lamh36
I see the troll is back…
Roger Moore
@MP:
It’s a sort into two groups, sheep and goats, not an ordering. Sorting n people into two groups should be O(n) for any reasonable decision algorithm.
MikeEss
I’m sick and tired of evil always winning, with a handful of exceptions.
Part of me wants to pull out all the stops and be as evil as they are. And then I remember that being good is the only thing that keeps us righteous.
Is being evil in the service of good acceptable? Or must good win unaided? Decisions, decisions, decisions…
TenguPhule
The spirit of Village compels you.
Sab
@Villago Delenda Est: I used to have a golden retriever named Bailey. He was sweet and gorgeous but not very bright. Very into whatever he was into, however. Possibly part of the not brightness.
EBT
@Bailey: You can’t build a home or plant a field on the high ground. It’s a bullshit concept that losers use to feel less shitty in the immediacy of defeat.
Roger Moore
@NotMax:
Apparently you don’t recognize the title of Metalica’s first album.
TenguPhule
@MP: Traditionally it involves weighing their hearts against a feather. Losers get eaten by the crocodiles.
NotMax
@Sab
IIRC, there are currently 4 vacancies awaiting special election (CA, GA, MT, SC).
Hal
The running tally on things we would not have with HRC as President just gets better and better. And bigger and bigger.
Robin G.
Spending money I don’t have on movies tonight to keep myself busy. Otherwise I will honestly and actually go vandalize some local representatives’ offices.
JWR
@Bailey:
IMHO, @Goku most certainly has. IOW, Baily, this blog is not always the most polite of places, and if that’s the behavior you’re expecting to impress upon its readers, well, not gonna happen. Deal with it, or go away. Thx.
TenguPhule
@Bailey:
Perhaps you need to get a sense of humor?
TenguPhule
@Yarrow: Media aren’t with us. Now what?
efgoldman
@Bailey:
Yup, all the Clinton’s fault.
Wilmerbot asshole. Nobody wants you here, including your mother who eternally regrets having her IUD taken out
geg6
@Bailey:
And you just showed how stupid you truly are. Personally, I WANT Dems to be concerned about winning the next election. Standing outside and yelling shame to the shameless is not going change a damn thing. Only elections can do that. Idiot.
TenguPhule
@geg6:
My old quip about serving as a job lots executioner for the republic (after the trials and convictions) doesn’t seem quite so over the top anymore?
Sab
@NotMax: Okay. I will calm down. Thanks.
JMG
No one except reporters looking for a tweet gives flying whatevs about the song. Since we’re dealing with an administration where treason trials might be in order, I think hoping for an era of good feelings or “adhering to norms” is ridiculous. These people want their fellow citizens dead. That should be the guiding attitude. They’re lucky their opponents believe more in democracy than they do.
Doug!
@Roger Moore:
Yes
SFAW
As a counter to “how-can-we-miss-you-if-you-won’t-fucking-kill-yourself?” troll Bailey (and Ciliazza, and the rest of Cilizza’s fellow travelers), Josh Marshall points out that when Clinton’s tax bill passed in 1993, the Rethugs same the exact same song — about one year before the Dems were wiped out in the 1994 mid-terms.
That’s the kind of “both sides” I’m hoping for.
But it’s the Dems who are destroying the country by singing. FOAD, troll
Roger Moore
@Bailey:
They’re certainly less likely to if the media treats it as an inexplicable decision rather than pointing out the connection.
Sab
@efgoldman: Woof!Not meant for Goldman. Meant for Bailey. Going to bed now, since doing more harm than good.
Gian
@Keith P.:
NPR covered it, the 1993 budget vote
Hitless
@Bailey: Their singing indicated their intention to retake the house and put a halt to Republicans killing people for tax cuts. To say it was less than that ignores that elections have consequences.
With Trump as president, how can anyone suggest decorum matters anyway?
Baud
@Bailey:
The deplorables controversy was a fake media creation. I think the analogy you are looking for was the Bros booing at the Dem convention.
EBT
@Bailey: They are deplorable sub human trash. The mistake was allowing them to live.
Gian
@Bailey:
I like your Irish Cream. You, not so much
geg6
@TenguPhule:
Personally, I never had a problem with your tone. My feelings run pretty much parallel to yours.
sdhays
The Republicans can’t be morally shamed; if that was possible, the bill wouldn’t have even been brought up a second or third time. But losing the next election is something that can scare them a bit. The “Na na na…” speaks a language that they can understand.
Gian
I admit, in a smarter country it would’ve been cool if they did a gregorian chant for a funeral mass, but you run for office in the country you have, not the country you wish you had
Waspuppet
Why people hate Chris Cilizza, in one tweet.
Goku
@Bailey: I wasn’t calling you Republican. I was just including you on the list who need to die to make the world a better place
The Thin Black Duke
@Bailey: Fuck off and stick your “moral high ground” up your ass you useless piece of shit.
A Ghost to Most
@Bailey:
It’s called solidarity, and sticking together. Look it up.
Yarrow
@TenguPhule: No idea, really. Find other ways, I guess. We don’t really have a choice. They’re here. Although Trump’s hinted-at suppression of the press via libel laws might also change things.
Baud
@Bailey: it did hurt, like all lies hurt. But it was still fake.
TenguPhule
@Bailey:
Not a big fan of human nature, are you?
Revenge is something people can understand.
efgoldman
@Bailey:
You are no more a Dem than Wilmer is. You think we’ve forgotten that the last time we saw your sorry mendacious ass here was during the primaries? Stop bothering people who don’t want you here and let the grownup talk.
BlueDWarrior
@Bailey: so riddle me this. Given where we are in both conservative and liberal politics, how do you b resolve the differences in a non-confrontational manner.
Because as far as I can see, not only does the right wing want things that are untenable to us, but they want to enforce thier vision from city council to the world itself.
This had to be confronted, preferably not violently, but it still requires us to come into conflict which we have to resolve in our favor.
Or do you believe we can establish our principles as policy without doing such?
TenguPhule
@geg6: And I hate that its coming to this. The rules and laws we had were to stop people like me from indulging in our worst aspects. I’m evil, but even evil has to have standards.
Eric S.
If we are going to discuss (hypothetical) murder I’ve always been partial to the baseball bats with nails from Escape From New York.
efgoldman
@Bailey:
Sonny, I was following threads when your poor mama was cleaning drool off your chin and changing your shitty diapers. Which, to look at your posts, was just yesterday.
Goku
@Bailey: They were singing because they know the Repubs are pieces of shit who probably ended their careers with that vote will lose control of the House in 2018. Only idiots like you think that
TenguPhule
@Bailey: Democrats combat Republicans is brilliant tactics. People need a cause worth fighting for and need to see that it actually is being fought for.
Unless you think the Democrats in the house actually getting into a brawl in the House would be better optics?
FDRLincoln
Every single Republican, including your racist uncle who watches Fox News, is now an enemy of the Republic.
Wipe them out. All of them.
TenguPhule
@Eric S.: Too hard to conceal. And they compromise the structure of the bat if you do it wrong. A normal bat works just fine.
/Don’t ask how I know this.
Chet Murthy
@Bailey: Ha! No way, mang. it was brilliant. Every good leftie knows the Dems were strong, and proud, and united. And -unbowed-. Fuck decorum. If it’s good enough for Joe Wilson, if it’s good enough for Voldemort Cheney, it’s good enough for us.
A Ghost to Most
@Bailey:
Indeed, in this one, strong the wilmer is.
TenguPhule
@FDRLincoln: What do you mean now? They’ve been so for the last 30 years or so.
Baud
@Bailey: Obviously, most people here disagree.
Major Major Major Major
@TenguPhule: you are speaking to a troll, you know.
sdhays
@Yarrow:
I think the problem with the press is the same as the problem with the rest of the country. It has become dominated by very wealthy, vapid celebrities controlled by billionaires. While they like to shout slogans about press freedom and puff themselves up talking about “journalistic principles”, they have no concept of what those things really mean and they definitely have no concept of solidarity beyond sniping at people who criticize their cocktail-mates.
There could be a vote on repealing the First Amendment and making criticism of Republicans illegal, and they would still try to find balance. They will balance their way all the way to the hangman’s rope.
SgrAstar
@Hitless:
AMEN! Battle to the death.
efgoldman
@A Ghost to Most:
He wouldn’t understand it if you wrote it on a 2×4 and hit him upside the head with it.
Which isn’t a bad idea, since he obviously likes to go where he’s not wanted
Chet Murthy
@A Ghost to Most: @Bailey:
And inasmuch as it -is- defiant, it IS the moral high ground. Taken with verve and aplomb.
Kathleen
@lamh36: OT, but I left a reply to you at the end of the last thread.
@lamh36: You might want to start with an organization like Council on Aging or any senior services group in your area. Cincy has a Council on Aging which advised a friend about what resources were available for his father and he said the Council was really helpful. Cincinnati also has a non profit which helps seniors obtain free or low cost legal advice. You may want to see if New Orleans has a similar organization.
Jerry
With every possible apology to Barbara Kruger. “We will strangle them with the pearls they clutch.”
TenguPhule
@Bailey:
How so? Democrats mocked Republicans after the vote, the first step to making them a general laughingstock. The comedians aren’t going to miss picking up on this and soon its gonna spread into common awareness.
This is old school showmanship.
Millard Filmore
@geg6:
I second that, but the constant reminder that the world will come apart in my lifetime is a real downer.
Ohio Mom
@Bailey: It was a wicked inside joke. Like all inside jokes, something gets lost in the translation.
It helped the House Democrats process what had just happened, and gave them a framework with which to move forward. It was an affirmation and a team-building moment. I think it was a very smart move.
Now that kegger? That has a lot of potential for eventual ass-biting. “Here’s your Congressman, celebrating the return of the pre-existing condition exclusion.”
efgoldman
@Bailey:
True. You don’t think. Just like every other mindless troll
Sab
Heartening or disturbing that them trolls is hopping?
Chet Murthy
@Bailey:
And what do you think the protestors outside were shouting about? The SAME DAMN THING. They also want the Dems to win., b/c only a MORON would think that the Rs are going to preserve the ACA. It’s not hard, pinhead.
TenguPhule
@Bailey:
And if you let that stop you from voting Democratic, you deserve to be called beta-cucks by the Republicans.
Those of us with a sense of humor on the other hand, appreciate payback wherever we can get it.
sdhays
@efgoldman:
Which one is the grownup?
msdc
The craziest thing about the pearl clutching is that I know some leftier-than-thous who adopt exactly the same mannerisms. They will tear into the Dems for any imagined departure from progressive orthodoxy, but the second the Dems do something uncouth (like threaten Republicans with reprisal for stripping health care from millions of Americans) they all turn into David Broder’s prissier little sister. I don’t know who they think is crying out for their combination of hyper-ideological leftist purity and anti-ideological centrist self-righteousness.
Or maybe it’s just about attacking the Democrats every time, from whatever angle presents itself. Funny how that works out.
TenguPhule
@Millard Filmore: Sorry, I haven’t been a happy person since November 8th.
Baud
@Bailey: She was swiftboated. It happens to all Dems. I don’t blame the Dems for that. I bake the swiftboaters.
efgoldman
@Millard Filmore:
But you’ve been dead since 1874!
Goku
@Bailey: It doesn’t matter. No democrats voted to end healthcare for millions of Americans. That’s literally all that matters; not this trivial bullshit
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Bailey:
Wasn’t their some Bishop gassing on about that after the bombing of Coventry in WWII that if the British retaliated they would lose the moral high ground, ’cause you know, the moral high ground has historically protected so many lives.
brendancalling
Given the opportunity I would give Chris Cilizza a Columbian necktie.
Baud
@msdc:
I think that’s it.
Baud
@Goku: Hence the need for a distraction.
amk
cole, doug – we get it, you are all bleeding heart libruls. now, stop being wusses and start taking charge of your own fucking blog.
efgoldman
@msdc:
And in a week it will be down the memory hole anyway
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Gosh, why would the Democrats be concerned about winning the next election? It’s a mystery, that is.
That’s why you’re well known to one and all here as a master debater.
Ruckus
Somehow I got on a republican email list for repuke from Long Beach. Not in that district or responded in any other way to any repuke email.
A couple of weeks ago I sent a reply to take my name off their list. Nicely asked.
Today got another.
No more mister nice guy. Not any more.
There were more swear words in my reply than non. From now on I’m bringing the heat whenever anyone brings up repukes. I don’t need any more fucking assholes in my life and I’m going to let them know how I feel about their politics, as they are trying to kill people. For a few bucks. I believe that is what is know as mercenary politics.
Fuckum.
lamh36
@Kathleen: thx…I’ll def look into that too.
Goku
@Bailey: She explicitly said like half of Trump supporters were deplorables. She said that not all of them were.
TenguPhule
@Bailey:
In context, it was.
Taken out of context and repeated as such by our worthless conservative media & combined with a mealy backtrack was what ruined it.
Sometimes you just have to kick the media in the crotch when they get it wrong. And repeat until they get it right. Right now their pavlovian conditioning is the other way around.
geg6
@Bailey:
LOLOLOL! Lefties? Concerned about decorum? LOLOLOL! The giant puppets and shouting down speakers at the DNC are just models of decorum. Fuck lefties. Give me some real liberals. They know how to win, unlike the always decorous lefties.
BlueDWarrior
@Bailey: I dunno, I guess Democrats are just not allowed to engage in showmanship or bare-knuckles politics at all. Because everytime Democrats didn’t pay by the proverbial Queensbury Rules, everyone cries about how it will result in blowback against them; yet Republicans can do the same, if not worse, and not get touched. Sometimes they even get rewarded.
Now, under that operating assumption, Democrats should either rhetorically surrender, or press forward and dann the torpedoes that may come.
Chet Murthy
@Bailey: Concern-trolling doesn’t convince anybody, honey.
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
You added a space and couple of extra letters in there. But I’d bet you knew that.
amk
@Goku: This. The troll’s agenda is to hide that crucial fact with sheer stupidity.
Goku
@Bailey: I guarantee you no one outside the media gives a fuck about this. Apparently you do but you’re a fucking troll
FDRLincoln
@TenguPhule: oh, I know. I was indulging my inner rage and hatred for the GOP, wishing for a few moments that we had Palpatine on our side. It is a Star Wars reference.
BCHS Class of 1980
@Bailey: Dude, I’m not active enough to know if you’re an actual troll or not, but if your main concern about all this is “Na Na Na,” then I say this with the highest regard:
Bite me, sir.
TenguPhule
@Bailey:
Doesn’t stop the Republicans. And evil as they are, its one of their strong points.
Learn or die. And I’m not speaking figuratively, the GOP really will kill you.
Millard Filmore
@efgoldman:
That was a different Millard Fillmore, with different colored eyes, and lived across the river, way over there. But I get mistaken for him all the time … maybe I should change my name to Mallard Filmore.
Lapassionara
Who is Bailey, and why should I care what he thinks?
Baud
@Bailey: Her actual campaign strategy was to stand up to bigotry. It’s a core Democratic policy. The swiftboating was in how that stance was represented in the media.
efgoldman
@Ruckus: You spelled Fuckem wrong
BlueDWarrior
@TenguPhule: paralyzing ourselves with questions of if we are sufficiently true to our stated policy goals is a great way to get steamrolled by people who don’t think twice to drop a couple mill on a state Senate race.
msdc
@Bailey:
Hey, jackass – I was one of those protesters outside shouting “Shame.” A few minutes before the vote was called we were also singing the same exact song the representatives picked up on later, and we did it for the same reasons.
The Democratic members of Congress were just as defiant, just as passionate, and just as outraged as we were. After the vote, a lot of them came over to thank us, talk to us, shake our hands. More than a few looked like they were tearing up as they left the Capitol. This was not about any election – this was deeply personal for them. The representatives and the protesters were on the same page. You’re the one who’s out there on your own, trying to drive a wedge between us.
Gin & Tonic
@Lapassionara: Nobody, and you shouldn’t.
D58826
You can’t make this up. After celebrating the House vote today Trump told the PM of Australia that Australia has a better health care system than the US. Australia has single payer.
efgoldman
@BCHS Class of 1980:
He was during the primaries, and he is now. A Wilmerbot troll. They infiltrate like termites and cockroaches
lahke
http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/styles/ratio–3-2–830×553/public/542169484.jpg?itok=4KtorPya
The guy with the pooper scooper bag is a nice touch.
TenguPhule
@Major Major Major Major: Even trolls occasionally have a nugget of useful information.
Major Major Major Major
@BCHS Class of 1980: god, I hope Bailey is an actual troll. I’d hate to think somebody like that actually exists.
Chris
Can we really not ban the finger waggling tone policing concern trolling pearl clutchers for one night? Just one?
JWR
@Bailey:
That’s what I’ve been wondering ever since you showed up to do just that; adding trivial bullshit, (ie. trolling.)
Baud
@Chris: We need a new thread.
Steve in the ATL
@Roger Moore:
I am impressed, sir
BCHS Class of 1980
@geg6: I’m actually fine with “Shame.” I’m thinking of cosplaying as the septa (Unella?) who followed Cersei on the Walk of Shame at Rep. Bilirakis’ next meeting.
efgoldman
@Millard Filmore:
Oh good fsm, no
Goku
@Bailey: Funny I’m not seeing it on mine. Could it be your full of shit? Nah
BlueDWarrior
@Baud: if bigotry is a “strongly held belief”, it must not only be tolerated, but celebrated. Otherwise you become the true bigot.
As far as the mainstream media is concerned, the cultural regressiveness of conservatives is the real third rail of politics now.
Mnemosyne
@msdc:
And Exhibit A is posting right here in this very thread. The only thing worse than Republicans is whatever Democrats do, updated daily.
Major Major Major Major
@TenguPhule: which you’re free to take and assimilate into your worldview and pass around! That doesn’t mean you have to thank or acknowledge the troll that provided the information, or argue with it about something else.
TenguPhule
@BlueDWarrior: “Vote for the crook, its important”
That’s pretty much my political stance. Worst D is better then the noblest R at this point.
This country isn’t big enough for three major political parties. So the Republicans have to get off the island.
ellie
I just told that hack Cillizza he was fucking moron. It was very cathartic. I love Twitter.
sdhays
Here’s the list of the “being sick is immoral” caucus. I was looking for it earlier and couldn’t find it.
geg6
@Chris:
This.
SFAW
@Bailey:
Yeah, yeah, we know, you holier-than-the-rest-of-us Berniebots need to have the Dems EARN YOUR PRECIOUS VOTES, because why should you trouble your beautiful minds (and fingies and votes) with things that aren’t the purest of the pure and upstanding and all that shit.
I’d link to TBogg’s “Mumia sweatshirt” column, but really, the only line that’s necessary is the last one.
You don’t live there, grow the fuck up.
DougJ
@amk:
What’s the problem?
Uncle Cosmo
@Millard Filmore: At least you aren’t your second-cousin-twice-removed Wilmer Fooledmore….
TenguPhule
@Major Major Major Major: You have to understand your enemy in order to destroy them.
geg6
@BCHS Class of 1980:
I have no idea what that means but yeah, okay.
A Ghost to Most
@msdc:
Ouch, I felt that from here.
SFAW
@ellie:
You, and about 3700 of your closest friends.
Steve in the ATL
People, please stop feeding the troll!
BlueDWarrior
@Bailey: well appealing to people’s logic has clearly failed. That or people are lying in what they care about and want to be with perceived alphas or winners.
Although, I believe the biggest problem Democrats face in turning over the WWC is that we steadfastly refuse to confirm their biases.
Gin & Tonic
@D58826: I have a friend who’s a semi-retired dentist in Aus. He gave up his private practice and now works three days a week serving ass-end-of-nowhere places. They fly him to the outback somewhere for three days at a stretch, pay room and board while he’s there, he treats the locals who have no dentist, then flies home for his 4-day weekend. “They” being the government, of course.
Imagine something similar here if you can.
SFAW
@TenguPhule:
Well, either that, or well-aimed tactical nukes.
Baud
@Steve in the ATL: To be fair, it’s the topic of the thread. We need a new thread so we can start over.
efgoldman
@Bailey:
MOST likely explanation is, like all trolls, you’re a fucking lying sack of shot.
Occam’s razor
msdc
@Mnemosyne:
Every single one of those laws has its Purity Left corollary. True progressivism can never succeed, it can only be stabbed in the back, etc.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
What, you mean all of your friends are also prissy, holier-than-thou assholes who can’t stop themselves from whining about how awful the Democrats are right after the Republicans stripped healthcare from 24 million Americans?
Those are some pretty amazing odds, I gotta tell ya.
Doug G
@MP: As long as it’s recursive, I’m on board, cause that’s cool.
amk
@DougJ: really?
Baud
@Bailey: She didn’t punch down. That you believe so shows how well the swiftboating worked
Mnemosyne
@Lapassionara:
He’s a troll. Or, in a phrase I’m totally stealing, David Broder’s prissier little sister, always eager to condemn the Democrats for anything they do, especially right after the Republicans do something horrendous.
ellie
@Bailey: Shut the fuck up.
lamh36
TenguPhule
@Bailey:
And which would have been spun as “running away” by the media and Republicans. And you’d be in here bitching at us about our cowardly representatives.
Goku
@Bailey: So lame and tiresome. This place really should have some rules to ban shitposters like this. All they do is derail threads
Yarrow
@D58826:
That is….I don’t even know. Hilarious? Terribly sad? Amazing? I can’t even process it.
TenguPhule
@lamh36: Wow, you really do like to drop bad news bombs on people already at the bottom of the barrel.
/No offense meant.
Baud
@TenguPhule: Ding.
Sab
@Mnemosyne: Lovely the Broder priddier little sister terminology. I will use and replace ember.
Goku
@Bailey: No, you’re the troll intentially disrupting our discussion. Literally everyone else thinks so as well
SFBayAreaGal
The troll exists because it is being fed. Ignore the troll and it will return to its bridge.
Baud
@Bailey: No she didn’t. She apologized to try to stem the swiftboating. Arguably she shouldn’t have apologized. But she never punched down. She only punched bigots.
JWR
@Bailey:
And yet, here you are!
Baud
@SFBayAreaGal: He is lying about the deplorables issue so that needs to be corrected.
SFAW
@Bailey:
And yet, when commenters here refute your “points,” you ignore and find something else to whine about.
BCHS Class of 1980
@Baud: “bake the swiftboaters”. Ah, autocorrect speaks truth.
efgoldman
@Bailey:
Because like all unreconstructed Wilmerbot trolls, facts don’t work on you, you’re unpersuadable, your whole purpose in life is like an undisciplined child (or Wilmer, or Cantaloupe Caligula) to listen to your own voice and disrupt whatever else is going on while you whine “me me me me me”
sdhays
@Baud:
And bigots should be punched (in case that wasn’t clear).
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Yes, the problem wasn’t that Trump’s supporters were white supremacists, the problem was that Hillary pointed out that Trump’s supporters were white supremacists.
Because pointing out that someone is a white supremacist is much, much worse than actually being a white supremacist.
Any other nuggets of wisdom you’d like to share, sweetums?
lamh36
@TenguPhule: just came across my timeline unfortunately…
This too, but less political, and more ugh…
@thehill
“Morning Joe” co-hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski are engaged
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/860305063360823297
Kropadope
@Bailey:
Let’s be fair. It was certainly a fake media creation. That doesn’t eliminate its salience as a rallying cry. In fact, removing fake things as valid rallying cries completely ignores the recent history of the Republican party.
FDRLincoln
Having known many Trump voters, actually, yes, Hillary was right. About half are deplorable people. The other half are uneducated/stupid/naive.
That is irrelevant now. We have to fight this atrocity with every weapon we have, and not spend time attacking fellow Dems.
Brachiator
@Bailey:
I’m curious. What should she have said?
Goku
@SFBayAreaGal: I have to agree with this. I know BJ is pretty lax about banning trolls. This is the best course of action and I think I’m going to follow it from now on, especially with regards to Bailey. N(R) will always be my punching bag
SFAW
@efgoldman:
You’re wrong. Troll is just trying to “heighten the contradictions,” and you’re being mean. Mean, mean, MEAN!! You big MEANIE!
[Apologies if I’m sounding too much like your stalker-Troll.]
Yarrow
@lamh36: I think once they’re married their show’s ratings will tank.
Baud
@Bailey: You’re issue was that she said half??? That’s silly. And the number isn’t too far off. Trump got 46% of the vote, so it would be plausible that 23% of the voters are bigots.
I hope Dems continue to stand up to bigots, even if we lose elections because of it. It’s one of our core values.
lamh36
@Yarrow: to be honest, I’m not too sure their ratings are so great anyway…
Baud
@Brachiator: Apparently, she should have gotten her percentages right. Maybe the correct percentage was 46.3% of Trump supporters were bigots.
LAC
@Bailey: so you are neither? So you can fuck off in all sorts of different directions, right? Debate that….
lahke
@Mnemosyne:
Can we drop the gendered insults? Most little sisters are more like Fearless Girl, anyway. David Broder’s ventriloquist dummy, mayhap.
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne:
This is actually kinda true in America.
OT. Did you watch the Regency Doctor Who episode?
Yarrow
@lamh36: I don’t even know. Never watch it. Haven’t a clue where MSNBC channel is on the list.
BlueDWarrior
@Kropadope: but what that would imply is the cultural regressiveness of conservatives is not a valid point of discussion. That’s why I called it a third rail, apparently we are to accept that some people want to treat women a child-bearing furniture and that we need to promote ‘whiteness’ as the only valid form of American culture (ignoring the fact we can hardly define that).
The Blog Dahlia
@Brachiator:
She should have said nothing, ever. Apparently out in the woods out of everybody’s sight is where she’s always belonged. It’s where mouthy women should be. According to some people.
Kropadope
@Bailey:
I doubt this is correct. It gives voice to the doubts of every hesitant “no” vote on this awful bill. Confronting them in a way that makes them confront themselves.
I agree the optics aren’t optimal, for different reasons than you. But remember the shutdowns? Today’s optics will be loooooong forgotten by election day.
@Chet Murthy:
And this is certainly going too far the other way.
efgoldman
@Brachiator:
Obviouslyh, she should have given a Shermanesque statement, removed her name from nomination, and moved to nominate Wilmer by acclimation.
Because why should actual voters, who nominated her by ~3 million votes, and voted for in the general by ~3 million votes, have any say when we all know Saint Wilmer of the Northwoods is our one true savior
I wish Adam was around. If memory serves he nuked this troll during the primaries.
Baud
@Bailey: That’s a non-sequiter. The fact that she was at a fundraiser doesn’t change the content of her speech. She absolutely stood up to bigots, but then she expressed phenomenal empathy for Trump supporters who were not bigots. The actual speech is very moving, and I’m saddened that so many people like you bought into the media lie about it.
If you look forward to losing your healthcare, blame the GOP and their voters. I accept no blame, nor do I blame Hillary for standing up to bigots.
Goku
@Bailey:
So, no great loss, then?
/couldn’t help myself. Last time
Felonius Monk
@Bailey: Congratulations. You win today’s jackpot for being the most tiresome asshole in multiple threads. You have offended many and accomplished little. Heckuva job, Bailey.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Washington Post: Racism motivated Trump voters more than authoritarianism
Wait, let me guess — you actually bought into the “economic insecurity” bullshit. Sorry, sunshine — it was racism. Trump’s voters freely admit it. The only one who has any illusions otherwise is you.
BlueDWarrior
@Bailey: I dunno, ignoring it and brushing it underneath the rug doesn’t seem to help either.
And she did talk about her policies. She was just “poor” at making a used car salesman style pitch that would promise everyone everything even if it’d become internally contradictory.
Maybe what the next Democratic candidate should do is entirely forego any discussion of the viability of a plan, and just say “it will be everything you want, and more”
BCHS Class of 1980
@geg6: Game of Thrones reference. So used to Twitter I forgot I have space here.
Baud
Can we haz new thread now?
efgoldman
@Bailey:
She did, plenty, for all the fucking good it did her and us.
And yes, every fucking body that voted for the racist is a racist or racist enabler. She was too kind.
Brachiator
@Bailey:
Unlike Mitt, who was nothing but dismissive, Clinton was trying to get to the part that gets forgotten.
Not the same thing as Romney.
different-church-lady
Until this thread I had no idea the reason 2016 turned out badly was because democrats had no decorum.
Mnemosyne
@Brachiator:
I did not, but now I’ll have to seek it out. I kind of stopped watched when they dropped the most awesome character of all time, River Song, and then tried to force-feed that annoying Clara whatshername in River’s place.
lamh36
@Yarrow: true…I don’t watch either…I haven’t consistently watched cable news since well before the election last year…and def NOT since the election
efgoldman
@lahke:
This is not a good night for tone policing.
different-church-lady
@Baud: When this one is going so well?
Baud
@different-church-lady:
That, and because Democrats are too milquetoast.
sdhays
I remember reading that this bill was basically the Republicans’ last chance to be able to pass this and “tax reform” this year because of their strategy of using a fraudulent “2017 Budget Resolution” bill passed in 2017 as the reconciliation vehicle and it was on it’s way to expiring. Also, since they want to gut taxes for the wealthy and corporations, the longer this takes, the harder it becomes to get that done this year as well.
Does anyone have any idea what kind of time pressure this puts on the Senate to pass their own turd? And when does it become infeasible for the tax “reform” to pass as it waits for health care to first be
destroyedreformed? My understanding is that the Democrats have been playing fairly nice in terms of pushing the rules so far, but perhaps the time has come to invoke the McConnell Rule and force the Senate to become more “deliberative”…Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@BlueDWarrior:
KILLGRAVE WOULD'VE WON
Kropadope
@BlueDWarrior: In English, please?
Elizabelle
@Baud: A very graceful response to someone who didn’t actually deserve one.
=====
FWIW: props due to Ileana Ros-Letien, retiring GOP from Florida. She voted no.
Baud
@Bailey: Your interpretation reflects your indoctrination of media spin, rather than HRC’s actual words. There is no reaching you.
dm
Eh, the singing was amusing and trivial. You’re all being pretty trivial getting upset one way or the other about it, though I realize Bailey was irritating in earlier threads, too.
Yeah, maybe the Dems looked a little silly (me, I thought it was amusing, but I’m tolerant of silly), but no one is going to care in a week. Not to worry: Donald Trump can wipe that image from everyone’s minds with a single tweet.
Now, what I think is going to look bad is wheeling in pallets of beer to celebrate taking insurance away from 24 million people to give a tax-cut to the astronomically wealthy. The campaign commercials, they write themselves.
a) the Senate passes this bill (or something enough like it), and the Republicans look like they’re dancing on the graves of the loved-ones who die prematurely.
b) the Senate doesn’t pass the bill and the House Republicans look like (a) as well as look like ineffectual doofuses (doofi?).
Oh, and the DKos “challenge them all” ActBlue fund is at a half million dollars, the NoAHCA fund talked about here in earlier threads is at almost $400,000, the DCCC wrote a few hours ago to tell me they’d raised over $200,000, so just those three funds have raised a million dollars to retire that Republican Death Panel in just a few hours. And there’s a bit more than 13,000 hours left until election 2018.
Kropadope
@Baud:
The dualistic nature of Democratic failings strikes again.
mai naem mobile
@Bailey: I am going to pretend you’re not a troll. Theater reason they Dems did that was to 1/put a little fear in their vulnerable GOPigs(they wouldnt get much TV time after their vote) and 2/the GOP was going to cheer right then and they wanted to change the story. It’s a bit of strategy and keeping up the morale of the troops.
Goku
@dm:
I tried to get basically this point across, but it was poo poohed by Baileef
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
Give me a break, I’m new to this swearing thing.
sdhays
@dm:
This is an excellent term for the 217.
The Blog Dahlia
@dm:
Unless by some miracle this bill ends up not doing much damage at all, which is highly unlikely, that image should rightfully hang around the necks of the GOP like a plutonium albatross.
amk
@Baud: why? twice the trolls, twice the fun.
SFAW
@Bailey:
#224
#115
So you seem to be OK with Dems losing elections if they’re indecorous, but NOT OK if they lose an election because they refuse to cater to bigots.
And THAT is the single biggest reason why people here know that you’re a troll.
eclare
@Steve in the ATL: A fucking men. Every other post involves it. Stop it.
Mnemosyne
@different-church-lady:
Remember when Hillary bragged about grabbing men by the crotch and getting away with it because she’s rich and famous? No wonder she lost.
Doug R
@Robin G.: Guardians of the Galaxy 2 opens tonight. Sitting in the almost sold out theatre with my family for another 20 impatient minutes
Omnes Omnibus
Jesus fucking Christ people! You just let a third rate troll take over another thread.
amk
BlueDWarrior
@Kropadope: that we have to accept what the right wing wants culturally, and if that means women, ethnic minorities, and non-hetero are second-class at best, well who are we to judge?
That appears to be what some of the national punditry wants to force upon us: to cede the fight for the rights of and protections for political minorities as no longer worthwhile because it leads to ‘needless’ conflict with Republican voters culturally.
amk
@amk: heh! mission accomplished!
Goku
@Bailleef:
Not many people care and no one will care come Nov. 2018 either. The End.
Mnemosyne
@Doug R:
I saw a preview last night. It’s a lot of fun.
Remember to stay through the credits to get a glimpse of Sullen Teenage Groot!
Kropadope
@Omnes Omnibus: Is it hurting your trollish pride?
LAC
@Bailey: well since you claim that you don’t fucking care about or are a part of either party, but feel the need to lecture people about what they need to do,, I am bewildered as to what the fuck you doing here. But since the fucks I give about a troll like you is now -0.000, don’t worry about it. Please proceed.
Oh, fucks given now just went -00.0000 infinity. So never mind. Keep posting.
dopey-o
no one told me it was a bailey thread!!! all of you people go away and let me read the bad news in peace!
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
The fact that you’re more upset about the Democrats singing a silly song than you are over losing your healthcare says more about you than I think you realize.
Goku
@Kropadope: Talking to yourself again?
BlueDWarrior
@Bailey: I dunno, I think crass mockery is a perfect response to this bill, since that is what it would turn out health care system into.
But hey, maybe the people want that afterall. At least the people who the media say we need to drop everything for, and bend over backwards to win (back).
efgoldman
@Ruckus:
Oh, I forgot. Swabbies never use bad language.
Kropadope
@BlueDWarrior:
We have to protect the delicate feelings of older white folk, especially in the media. That’s where the money is.
@Goku: Whichever troll you’re sockpuppeting for can go fuck himself. Seriously, do you ever say anything positive or useful?
Villago Delenda Est
@FDRLincoln: I do expect a royalty check for that usage.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kropadope: I am a variety of things. Arrogant, condescending, supercilious, and so on. I contain multitudes. Trollish? Eh…
Goku
@Kropadope:
Baileef in a nutshell
Villago Delenda Est
@Baud: Brainwashed by the Village. There is no cure.
??? Martin
I’ve chatted with a few people about today’s vote. Pretty sure if word spread of an angry mob headed to our reps office, they’d grab their most pitchforky thing and join in. People are pissed like I’ve never seen before.
Goku
@Kropadope: My comment at 280, was more or less positive towards what you said. I’m not a sock puppet, sometimes I just act like an asshole when horrible shit happens and I have to vent. Besides I’m only ribbing you. Lighten up
Captain C
@Mnemosyne:
Would this, thus, be Mnemosyne’s Corollary to Cleek’s Law, Regarding Purity Ponies?
Omnes Omnibus
@Ruckus: GAH!
Goku
Baileef is really a Republican shitposter. Pass it on
Brachiator
Poster Bailey has a point. Clinton’s opponents and the media used her words against her, to deflect from her campaign. But Bailey’s nod to Romney’s 47 percent remark is not the best reference. You could point to Obama’s remark about voters who clung to guns and religion. This irritated the hell out of people who tried to use these remarks as proof that Obama was not a real American.
But Bailey is dead wrong in his (or her) racial denialism.
Kropadope
@Goku: Two things. First of all, posting something “positive” (arguable) right after I accuse you of having nothing positive to say proves nothing. Second, you’re wishing death on people, but I need to lighten up. Okaaaay.
@Omnes Omnibus: At times, yes.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@Captain C: Yes; I prefer the term “pink anarchist bunnies,” myself. I’ve also noticed that said pink bunnies often have a bit of a Galilean-gambit
complex: It’s not enough that they hold lefty positions, they have to perceive it as unpopular among other left-liberals.
Our own Davis X. Machina has pointed out (over at LGM) that foreign policy purity wanking tends to follow its own version of Cleek’s Law.
Miss Bianca
@Bailey: “thoughtful, educated lefties” are…friends of yours on FB? Wow, that’s so amazing! How are they both doing?
Are any of you actually doing the down-and-dirty of y’know, politicking? Governing? Organizing? Sticking your fingers in the dyke and trying to hold back the flood? Or are you all just sitting back criticizing everyone else’s efforts?
Maybe instead of shitting on the people who actually ARE doing that work, you could cut them a little slack. But your style, like NR’s and other idiot trolls here, is just to whine about how the Democrats don’t meet your standards of decorum/populist rhetoric/charisma/whatever.
Eric S.
@TenguPhule: I believe you at face value but I stand by my idea on the theory of movie physics.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Yes, it’s almost like the Democratic members of the House of Representatives think they need more Democrats to win elections to overturn this.
EBT
@Bailey: You are as much a part of the problem as Infamous deadbeat donnie Voter NR. The middle is not the holy grail right answer both choices were not the same and the left and right are not remotely equivalent you goddamn choad.
D58826
@Gin & Tonic: I have a cousin who went native in Australia 40 some years ago. He was back in the states for a visit maybe twenty years ago and could not believe the lack of medical/drug coverage.
randy khan
@Bailey:
I don’t know if it will do any good, but it clearly was a calculated move, and it wasn’t aimed at the media or even most voters. It was aimed at the Republicans in swing districts who voted for that abomination. It was intended to remind them of 1993, when the Republicans did something similar during the Clinton Adminstration and the Rep they sang to did lose the next election. It was a threat and a warning.
And I suspect it also might have been aimed at Dem activists to energize them for 2018, but that’s less certain.
Mnemosyne
@Captain C:
I don’t think it’s original to me, but damned if I can remember who I stole it from. I think it was a four-initialed nym in one of the previous threads.
different-church-lady
@Omnes Omnibus:
Why would we change now?
BlueDWarrior
@Brachiator: and that comes back around to my point of that being a third rail. I guess it won’t be resolved until the Democrats become an exclusively economic leftist party (and subsequently disintegrates).
Omnes Omnibus
@Kropadope: You know what being a troll means. You’ve done it intentionally. It doesn’t mean just being an asshole.
efgoldman
@Bailey:
Since you wouldn’t vote for a Democrat anyway, why should anyone give a flying fuck what you think?
In fact, why should anyone ever give a flying fuck what you think about anything.
Kropadope
@Omnes Omnibus: It means being intentionally provocative and derailing conversations. Yes, I say you have done this.
efgoldman
@Brachiator:
Yes and no. If she said the sun rises in the East, the assholes (including Baileaf) would try to find a way to use it against her. It’s what they do.
Goku
@Kropadope:
I was pissed at a troll ok? I was venting. Not my best moment I admit
Omnes Omnibus
@Kropadope: We disagree.
different-church-lady
@Omnes Omnibus: Being you must be exhausting.
efgoldman
@Miss Bianca:
You have to be part of a party to do that.
[And i believe the spelling you wanted was “dike”]
Millard Filmore
@dm:
I am paranoid. Is there a way to verify that the Democratic party, or some sanctioned branch, has approved collecting the money for the stated purpose?
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Yarrow:
plaid is the only word I can come up with.
randy khan
@Bailey:
Oh, I think I’ve figured you out now – you’re one of those “You’re doing it wrong” people.
I’d like you to consider the possibility of multiple responses to this, some substantive, some not. There’s tons of messaging on the impact of this bill on regular people, both before the vote and right now. But that’s not all the Dems can or should do. Just because this particular bit of messaging doesn’t work for you doesn’t mean it won’t work for some other people. As I described above, some of it is for the Republicans in the House (many of whom, you can be sure, will have gotten the reference), and some of it may have been for activists to help raise spirits and maintain enthusiasm. There is no one silver bullet here, and that’s okay.
Goku
@Bailey: Agent provocateur says what?
Omnes Omnibus
@Bailey: Here is your problem: no one believes you. Hence my general no engagement with you policy – to which I go back.
Kropadope
@Bailey: It’s not projection, because I don’t honestly believe he’s voting Republican either. However, he’s just as firmly convinced as any Republican or glibertarian that he is the sole arbiter in deciding what you mean, how you feel, and what you really think. There’s a lot of that going around here these days.
@Omnes Omnibus: Real shock, that is.
randy khan
@Millard Filmore:
ActBlue collects a ton of money for Democratic candidates and so far as I know there’s never been an issue. A lot of candidates use ActBlue to handle their online donations – I’ve donated to several, including John Ossoff, through ActBlue, and haven’t had a problem. I’m pretty sure we can trust them.
FDRLincoln
@Villago Delenda Est: I’ve appreciated your usage.
efgoldman
@Bailey:
If your nose got any longer you’d need a crutch for it
Omnes Omnibus
@different-church-lady: It is. You have no idea.
Steve in the ATL
Kropadope v. Bailey…root for injuries?
Kropadope
@randy khan:
I don’t have a problem with it so much, though it does have elements of celebrating a loss and preemptive chicken counting. Still, their audience wasn’t the American public, it was Republicans in that chamber. If successful, they deeply unsettled some of the yes votes for that piece of trash legislation. Few Americans will hear about this. Fewer will care. Still fewer will remember by 2018, and the ones among that number who begrudge them that chant would never have voted for a Democrat.
@Steve in the ATL: Only if it’s the collateral kind.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: Krope is actually too smart for that.
Millard Filmore
@randy khan: ok, thanks.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Since she’s more worried about Democrats being polite to the party that just took healthcare away from 24 million Americans than she is about the fact that Republicans just took healthcare away from 24 million Americans, you can tell her from me that she can take her “concern” and shove it up her ass.
Is that clear enough for both of you?
Kropadope
@Omnes Omnibus: I must be tired. I’m clearly having difficulty reading.
dm
@Millard Filmore: They’ve raised about $1.7 billion for Democrats and Progressives in I don’t know how many years, and they’re pretty open about how much money has been raised (when you make a contribution to a campaign and reload the page, you see your contribution in the total). I expect if they were skimming the contributions, someone among the recipients would have noticed and started raising a stink.
I understand your paranoia, though. The same thought crossed my mind this afternoon.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kropadope: You are an asshole. You are not an idiot. My opinion.
efgoldman
@Steve in the ATL:
Really painful ones, like chronic tendonitis in the typing fingers
Miss Bianca
@efgoldman: OMG, you are right! *Quite* the Freudian spelling error, there, whoops!
@Bailey: So, in other words, you have one friend who’s actually done something useful for the body politic but sadly, she’s just as sanctimonious as you? Got it.
I notice you have shit-all to say to msdc, the guy who was actually there protesting. You know, the guy on the ground who provided blowback to your moralizing shit. But maybe now that you know that the protestors and the House Democrats were pretty much on the same page when it came to oppositional energy, those cries of “Shame” are somehow less pure. Less…dignified. Less, uh…what’s the phrase? Oh, ‘morally victorious’, that’s right.
efgoldman
@Omnes Omnibus:
Asserts facts not in evidence. You guys are both lawyers, you should know better.
efgoldman
@Bailey:
Hmm. Let me guess. Either you are making her up, or she’s in a very blue state with gold-plated employer insurance.
Kropadope
@efgoldman: Ignoring evidence to bolster your fantastical delusions does not constitute a lack of evidence.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Yes, because when 24 million people are going to lose their healthcare and thousands will die as a result, what makes it worse is Democrats being “juvenile.”
Sorry, if that’s her top concern right now, she doesn’t have nearly enough in her life to worry about.
efgoldman
@Omnes Omnibus:
Not just yours
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Given your history of completely ignoring actual facts and eyewitness accounts to focus on your own anus, I’m not surprised. But if you can’t figure out the scroll button on your mouse, that’s not my problem.
efgoldman
@Kropadope:
The only evidence I need is your long history of Wilmerbot concern trolling
SFAW
@Bailey:
As with any number of commenters responding to you here, you don’t respond to ones who put the lie to your blitherings. Quelle fucking surprise.
dm
@Mnemosyne: Browser “find” command is more effective, I think, especially with a nicely unique string like “msdc”.
I’ve noticed that it’s easy to miss messages here when engaged in a lively discussion.
SFAW
@Bailey:
Then she’s a purity troll, just like you. Stunning that the two of you found each other.
Miss Bianca
@Bailey: Comment 141. The one addressed to you that starts, “hey jackass…I was there” and then goes on to tell you that you’re full of shit. I can understand how you might have skipped that one.
dm
@SFAW: “concern troll”, please keep your troll species straight.
SFAW
@dm:
Much obliged. You’re right, of course, I don’t know what I was thinking.
msdc
@Miss Bianca: I noticed that too.
SFAW
@Bailey:
Yeah, whatever. Keep fucking that chicken, if it helps you convince yourself you’re not a concern troll.
SFAW
@msdc:
It’s one of his/her hallmarks/trademarks, has been since last year. He/she thinks it’s not obvious.
Jonny Scrum-half
I have to say that I generally agree with Bailey, although the singing isn’t that big a deal. But there definitely are productive tactics and counterproductive tactics. I think a lot of what Black Lives Matter did over the past couple years was understandable, but ultimately counterproductive.
The fact is that we live in a democracy, and in this democracy there are a large number of people who are at best susceptible to reactionary arguments. At worst, there’s a fair amount of people who are outright racists and bigots. They all get votes, just like we do.
We have a choice – we can engage in violent revolution, or we can try to change enough minds to make an electoral difference. If you haven’t noticed, we’ve been getting our asses kicked on a bunch of different levels for a decade.
It’s Bailey’s opinion that mocking and other silly antics aren’t helpful. I tend to agree. Rachel Maddow and her snark change the minds of no one.
I don’t know the answer, but I think it lies in 2 issues, which are related. First, we need to find a way to counter the very effective and efficient right-wing propaganda machine. That’s what killed Clinton’s chances more than anything else – she was poorly regarded by too many people because of a patient and well-funded propaganda campaign.
Second, we need to find a way to get the media to do a better job. They just don’t give a shit. It’s a travesty that the best broadcast journalism over the past few years has been done by Jon Stewart and John Oliver (and Vice), rather than any news networks.
Anyway, telling someone they should die just because they disagree with tactics is really stupid.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
The only thing that will make Democrats effective is winning elections, and they’re not going to win if Democratic voters’ top priority is that House Dems sang a song.
Really. Listen to yourself for a minute. People are going to die and all you care about is what Democrats do.
You are why we lose. You and your idiot friends who are more concerned about optics than about people dying.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
You also ignored my link to the Washingon Post poll about Trump voters being primarily motivated by racism. But, hey, why look at actual facts when you can wring your hands about Democrats being rude and uncivil to the Republicans who just voted to throw 24 million people off healthcare?
Mnemosyne
@Jonny Scrum-half:
We don’t think that Bailey should die because we disagree on tactics. We think Bailey should die because he’s an annoying troll who shits all over threads and contributes nothing useful.
The fact that he routinely shows up to run down Democrats the instant the Republicans take an action that makes Republicans look bad is a pretty clear clue about what side he’s on.
Goku
@Jonny Scrum-half:
I agree. That’s why ya gotta follow thru, silly
SFAW
@Bailey:
You are breathtaking in your stupidity.
I’ll alert Debbie Wasserman Schultz that your overarching concerns that Dems are being indecorous may be the single biggest reason why they continue to lose elections. Because ALL THEY FUCKING CARE ABOUT is being indecorous, not winning elections, in your most-humble assessment, and FSM know, a concern not-troll certainly knows how to win elections.
I assume you’re actually Jim Messina, just posing as a troll, and for that I bow my head in shame, because clearly Jim Messina knows how to win elections.
Looks like a picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
Goku
@Bailey:
You aren’t either, cupcake
dm
Folks, I hope we can all get it out of our systems before the Russian active measures (and their free-lancing imitators) show up.
And not everyone who expresses reservations is a troll. Just say, “You think it looked bad? Maybe. Not likely to be much of a problem. Let’s bear that in mind and see what happens.”
I mean, remember what “they” did with Paul Wellstone’s funeral? Or the Dean Scream? Or Al Gore’s sighs? It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that the right wing echo chamber will manage to gin up some fauxtrage about it. Shrug.
They were the ones wheeling beer into Congress to celebrate turning people out into the street. Let’s talk about that.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Because Hillary gets interviewed by Christiane Amanpour and says that rural infrastructure is so bad that people can’t get cell service in large swatches of the country.
Then the media says, OMG, Hillary is so out of touch that she insults rural cell phone users!
And then you show up to say, Why does Hillary keep making these terrible mistakes where she insults rural cell phone users?
And I point out again that you and your friends are a huge part of the problem, because you enthusiastically swallow every bit of anti-Democrat propaganda the media feeds you and then demand that the Democrats respond to your made-up propaganda bullshit.
You are why we lose.
SFAW
@Bailey:
And I guess you’re not nearly as smart as you think you are. Hell, you’re not even as smart as Shitgibbon, although you can at least construct English sentences that can be parsed.
Goku
@Mnemosyne: This. Exactly it. We are all ultimately responsible for the world we live in. Voters as well as non-voters are responsible for this shit
SFAW
@dm:
Agreed.
Although there’s something to be said for mocking concern troll’s blitherings
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
So you continue to pretend that Trump voters were not primarily motivated by racism, even though they happily tell pollsters that they were primarily motivated by racism, and instead try to turn the subject back to what you think Democrats did wrong today.
Fascinating.
efgoldman
@Mnemosyne:
Speak for yourself.
I don’t much care why, as long as he DIAF and leave the rest of us alone.
Kropadope
@efgoldman: Grandpa, are u forgetting to take your
antipsychoticsmood stabilizers?efgoldman
@Bailey:
Then why the fuck are you still fucking that chicken. The rest of us were talking exactly about that before you stuck your stubby little penis in and took over the thread whining about exactly that.
Go back to your mother’s basement and jerk off to your videos of Wilmer’s greatest shouting. It’s what you want and all that you believe in.
dm
@Mnemosyne:
That explains the attitude about Clinton, but about the rest of the Democrats? I mean, it’s like a lot of these people live in another world: Republicans will do more about the banks than Democrats? Where does that perception come from (maybe the failure to actually break up the big banks after 2008?)? What can we do about it?
I think we have to do something about it, but I just don’t know what. I wish I did.
Mnemosyne
@efgoldman:
He still reminds me strongly of a certain raging dry drunk who used to post here. Just sayin’.
msdc
@Bailey: Hey, don’t let firsthand testimony that directly contradicts your pious grandstanding force you to change your tune or anything.
You tried to use our presence and our defiance to shame representatives who were literally doing the exact same thing. Your “thanks” are just as unwelcome as all your other counterproductive contributions here.
efgoldman
@SFAW:
Not that they mean anything, though
Goku
@Bailey: No, just dumping on you is just too much fun to resist. You make it too easy
efgoldman
@Kropadope: What i said to the other troll
Mnemosyne
@dm:
It’s the propaganda. It doesn’t get talked about as much, but the Russians are feeding propaganda to the American left almost as fast as they are to the right. That’s where a huge amount of this stuff comes from.
And, yes, it comes from racism and sexism on the left, too. White guys like Matt Stoller or the editors of Jacobin could not accept a black man as president or a woman as a potential president, so they’ve been spreading their “both sides” propaganda as well. They have a deep and unexamined belief that only a white man can be truly neutral and act in everyone’s best interest, because they think a white man would act in their best interest as white dudes.
One of my favorite Molly Ivins quotes is, Once you figure out they’re lying to you about race, you start to wonder what else they’re lying to you about. People on the left who still haven’t figured out they’re being lied to about race aren’t able to untangle the other lies, either.
Goku
@Failey:
Like, that’s just your opinion, man
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
As usual, your recollection is incorrect and self-serving.
Kropadope
@efgoldman: Wow, you really know what animates me and how I feel and think. It’s almost like reading you is reading the words out of my own mouth.
Wait, that’s not correct. Let’s go with the opposite thing.
msdc
@Bailey: I’ll reiterate: you tried to create an imaginary tactical division between representatives and protesters where there was none. When you got called on that, you ignored it, and when you got called on that you started trying to move the goalposts while mouthing patently insincere appreciations. Your gratitude is as meaningless as everything else you have said here tonight.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
You have no doubt noted that I refrained from any statement implying they did.
Shalimar
@Bailey:
You only show up here when you want to say “we” have made a horrible mistake and need to change our ways. You’re never here to celebrate Democratic victories, or console people when they have problems in their life. No one, absolutely no one, believes you’re really a Democrat. You’re wasting your time. No one cares about your concern.
Bailey
@msdc:
No, that isn’t what I did at all. I said that time/place one was more effective than the other. I expect that the the protestors outside have common interest as Dems voting no inside. And vice versa.
If by that you mean I didn’t see one post out of 350, I guess you’re right. Guilty as charged.
Insincere? No, I’m glad there were protestors out there, especially at the capitol. Take that what you will. But it won’t change my opinion of how Dems in House came off.
dm
@Mnemosyne:
I think they’re feeding propaganda to both sides of the Democratic divide, actually. We have all the Goldman Sachs examples, on the one hand, but I think it’s not hard to find Goldman Sanders examples, too.
Last week we had the big controversy about “people in Maine booing Perez, and why didn’t Bernie come to Perez’s defense”? When I went looking for details I found:
a) all the stories about it were in places like Breitbart, Free Republic, etc.
b) the Washington Post had a story that talked about “scattered boos”
c) I found a video of the event, in which you could only just barely hear the boos, and it wasn’t clear if either Perez or Sanders were even on the stage at the time
So, people heard about it, saw a click-bait headline, and didn’t follow up to find out what really happened. It fed their own internal narrative, so why bother?
d) conclusion: the “Democratic unity tour was a failure”
e) score one for the ratfuckers?
The ratfuckers really want to keep the Democrats divided. I think we’d be better off extending a little charity to one another, assuming that we’re pulling in the same general direction. We don’t have to like one another’s priorities (e.g., Sanders’ one-track-mind on economic inequality and failure to prioritize racial and women’s issues) to be able to work together on things we do agree on. We don’t have to climb onto our different purity ponies and go jousting.
I realize I’m missing a lot of context here — I don’t know much about Bailey’s apparently long history that presumably informs a lot of the response to their posts.
Bailey
@Shalimar:
Jesus, let me know when there are some Democratic victories. Have there been any? I guess the budget being passed was not a complete abomination, so “yay!”
I post when I have time. If you have time in your life to post every single day in every thread on every subject, more power to you. That’s not what my schedule allows for.
Choose to believe what you want to believe, I guess. Whether you “believe” me or not is pretty irrelevant. (Although I suspect there is a way to see the entire posting history of someone and if so, you’d find that I’ve actually been posting here since the mid-2000s, albeit randomly.)
But your insistence that I’m merely “concern trolling” when I’m actually relating real life reactions and coupling that with data that the Dem party is wildly out of touch with the populace means there won’t be too many Dem victories for us to collectively celebrate.
Achrachno
@Bailey: “That assumes that she could ascertain exactly what percentage of Trump voters were bigots. She can’t, you can’t, no one can.”
I can: 97% (I might be a bit low in my estimate.)
Bailey
@Shalimar:
Jesus, where are the Dem victories to celebrate?
Beyond that, my schedule is my schedule. I post when I have time. If you have time to comment on every thread, every day, more power to you, I do not have the bandwidth for that. But I suppose it’s possible to check how long I’ve actually posted here, which goes back to the mid 2000s. You’d probably be surprised.
Admittedly, this is not a concern of mine. I’m not anyone’s counselor and don’t pretend to be. I was very sad when Tunch died and told John so. Does that count? I don’t wander into threads about pets and gardens and recipes because I truly do not care about those subjects.
You can choose to believe what you want. And you can choose to dismiss those you label a “concern troll.” It will probably guarantee that we won’t have too many future Dem victories to get collectively excited about.
dm
@Mnemosyne: Part 2: I agree that it’s (frustratingly effective) propaganda, but I don’t know what to do about it, how to counter-act it. We’ve seen it since forever — they did it to both Clintons, to Gore (the purity ponies got in the act there, too — remember Nader?), and to Kerry.
They tried to do it to Obama, but I think they were less successful there for some reason (Obama’s unadulterated brilliance shined so brightly it revealed their bullshit for what it was, perhaps).
Love the Molly Ivins quote.
Bailey
@Achrachno:
Question: Can you like a stronger immigration policy and not be a bigot?
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
Didn’t think I’d be able to put that on over on you.
Ruckus
@dm:
Look at the tweet that Mike J posted in the latest thread. That’s not a full quote of Applegate, one of the two men running for Issa’s seat in San Diego. It was taken out of context and posted to make him look bad and Levin look good. It’s bullshit like this that hurts. We need people to run and win, not run and screw up a decent candidate.
TenguPhule
@dm:
There’s something ironic about attempting to destroy their livers while cutting medical insurance.
TenguPhule
@Jonny Scrum-half:
What the fuck do you think they spent 40 years doing to the Democratic party? They mocked, belittled, insulted and accused them of shit and it sank into public awareness.
If you want us to do the same, stop trying to kneecap our Reps when they actually do what they’re supposed to.
James Powell
@ArchTeryx:
That was a movie; this is reality. The press/media love movies, hate reality.
James Powell
@Jonny Scrum-half:
Because the last thing people of color want to do in a racist country is call attention to the fact that people who look like you are being murdered by the police.
In the United States, people and the press/media react to Eric Rudolph & Timothy McVeigh with “What he did was wrong, but he had some legitimate grievances.” But god-for-fucking-bid if people want to peacefully protest police killing unarmed black men. Then it’s all “Shut up! Sit down! You’re making people mad!”
I cannot throw up enough.