Better late than never, I guess:
A new Gallup poll out this morning, however, strongly suggests that an increasing number of Americans just don’t believe Trump’s spin about his presidency anymore. It finds that only 45 percent of Americans think Trump keeps his promises, down from 62 percent in February, an astonishing slide of 17 points:
And he’s dragging down the GOP:
On issues, the Republicans hold their traditional advantage on terrorism, and the two parties continue to run about even on handling the economy – which, along with terrorism, tops the public’s agenda.
But the Democratic Party has made sharp gains compared with a year ago on several issues – notably, foreign policy and immigration. Currently, 49% of Americans say the Democratic Party is better able to make wise decisions about foreign policy, while 36% favor the GOP. A year ago, Republicans were favored on foreign policy, 46% to 38%. Democrats also lead on dealing with immigration, 50% to 39%; in recent years, the parties have run about even on this issue.
And, with budget debates looming this month in Congress, 48% say the Democratic Party better represents their views on government spending, while 40% say the Republican Party does.
Sad!
Elizabelle
Thank dog. A fresh thread. Thank you.
Baud
That’s an amazing number. People really want to believe in a Republican daddy.
Baud
@Elizabelle
Hey, world traveler.
ruemara
It it isn’t a physical dragging of the entire party off a cliff, then it’s worthless. I’m sorry, but I’ll believe it when I’ll see it. These fuckers could be half dead and roasting on a spit, but still vote republican and keep this dangerous group in power. It’s not that they can’t learn. It’s that they don’t want to.
WafflesTasteGood
@Baud: How in the hell can 45% of people still believe a single word of the constant stream of toxic waste flowing from orange fart clouds pie hole?
jl
@Baud: The low info knucklehead vote begins to peel away. And Trump so far has just settle for not doing anything yet, he hasn’t had a chance to really mess up. Wait until that happens. (yes, I know, will present another conundrum for Baud 2020, but politics ain’t bean bag, buddy).
And, there was a sizable percentage of Democrats who saw Trump as keeping his promises too. That was probably better described as fear rather than faith, though.
WafflesTasteGood
How in the hell can 45% of Americans still believe a word out of the orange fart clouds pie hole?
aimai
The phrase of the year is “Area President.”
Mister Forkbeard
I don’t know how anyone EVER thought Trump would be trustworthy. Outside of the 27%, who actually thought he meant anything he said?
jl
@ruemara: We just need to win enough elections to put a spanner in the works (or, more accurately, a better spanner than Trump incompetence itself). I’ll settle for that. Then see how many GOPer pols decide to run themselves over a cliff. We need to prioritize our actions right now.
MisterForkbeard
….Did I get perma-blocked here? My last few comments haven’t showed up. >_<
Elizabelle
@aimai: Or Electoral College President.
J R in WV
Area man thinks no one knows anything, because he doesn’t know anything!!
Heath care is complicated!!!! Who knew?!?!?!
Syrian civil war is complex!!! Who knew?!?!?!
Tax reform is complicated!!! Who knew?!?!?!
Foreign policy in Asia is hard! Who knew?!?!?
North Korea is NOT just the northern part of Korea???? IMPORTANT!!!! Who knew?!?!?!
Everyone but Donald knew, don’t tell him, because then he would know……
Zach
Takeaway from this poll is that Dems still have a lot of room for improvement. Similar polls were all about 10 points more in Dems favor in October 2006. Trump is nearly as unfavorable as Bush was, but GOP congress running several points ahead (but way below were they were this time 2005).
Need to do more to get the message across about what GOP is actually proposing. Too much waiting around for Trump to implode or Russia to happen. Specifically Dems and affilliated groups should be all over tax cuts/reform. Where are the bat tax ads? Where are the ads targeted at Trump and cabinet members calling them out by name for how much they’ll get in tax cuts (use Trump’s campaign plan or Ryan’s roadmap in lieu of any actual new plan). Trump’s already waging a national campaign and Democrats need to realize that’s how it works now.
JPL
Tomorrow is the election for Price’s replacement, although a runoff is likely, since you have to receive over 50 percent of the vote. The Millennials need to get to the polls. The district is sixty/forty and not in a good way, but special elections normally mean a lower turnout.
Democratic sites (tpm) had been encouraged by earlier voting but that tightened up, which I knew it would. I live in a city where there is a council runoff also and folks were waiting to vote until they could vote for both candidates. The weather tomorrow calls for thunder storms. ugh
The republican party or pac hired paid door knockers. It’s interesting because after running he’s not one of ads, the paid personnel were black or Hispanic.
I’ve been volunteering the council election, and plan to wave signs several hours tomorrow, and I hope Jon has his supporters out also.
Elizabelle
@Baud: hello, bud. Evening here. Barcelona was marvelously nonsecular for Easter. Just another Sunday. In beauty.
Kropadope
@J R in WV:
Well, in his defense, all of that didn’t get complicated until he got away from his original answer of “just rip it all down.”
jl
@aimai: @J R in WV:
Area President irritated by waste of all these government people telling him what he didn’t know about government.
Elizabelle
And it is a fabulous blogpost title.
Kropadope
@Zach:
Russia’s an event now?
Baud
@Elizabelle: So jealous.
Elizabelle
@Baud: Don’t be. You’ll be Air Force One-ing over here any year now.
jl
@jl: ‘At first it was cool trivia shit. I got some good lines to start deals and pick up on hot chicks at parties, impress my constituents. But now it’s getting really irritating. They keep coming to me with boring stuff no one cares about. Like loser mumbo jumbo about something coming up about how the government cuts a check. Who cares about that stuff? So, I’m asking, why are these losers on the payroll….and how does THAT work anyway…?
randy khan
The two most amazing things about popular response to the current Administration are that it never did benefit from the usual post-election bounce and how fast its reputation has declined since the inauguration.
People really do give a newly-elected President the benefit of the doubt, sometimes because they support him, sometimes because you’re supposed to support the President (at least in most people’s minds), and sometimes because they’re just being hopeful. So for a President to drop from 62% to 45% – more than a 1/4 drop – on the question of whether he keeps his promises is just stunning. You have to do something really special to have that happen.
randy khan
@Zach:
There’s a lot happening already. I don’t have the impression that the Dems are waiting for any events to get going.
Baud
@Elizabelle: I’ll give you a ride back.
TenguPhule
And if they didn’t have voter suppression, gerrymandered districts, a ballsucking domestic media, a rabid racist base who would still vote for them no matter how much they might dislike them because it sticks it to the darkies and control of the highest court of the land, they might actually be worried.
TenguPhule
@randy khan:
Committing open treason IOIYAR polls at 45%. I don’t consider this good news.
TenguPhule
@Kropadope: Floor wax and dessert topping.
jl
@randy khan: First warning sign I had about how awful Trump would be was that he was totally unable, unwilling or too disinterested to even try to take advantage of that.
TenguPhule
@Zach:
Strategic carpet bombing would be faster, easier and cheaper. Especially considering the media we have to work with.
Elizabelle
@Baud: i love the idea of staying here until you keep that promise.
TenguPhule
@ruemara: This, a thousand times this with the glaring hatred of a thousand red suns.
RareSanity
@JPL:
There was a 40 minute wait when I went to early vote last Wednesday.
I couldn’t get a good feel of what the general motivating factor was amongst the entire crowd, so I don’t really know what the long line meant.
I just want the ads to stop…please make them stop.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
I wonder what his numbers are going to look like in a year. I’m guessing he’s going to be at about 0% among Democrats and 15-25% among independents. Maybe 75-80 among Republicans. I don’t know what that would be overall. I really do think he’ll stay above 50% among Republicans, whatever he does. It could come out that he personally worked with Putin to steal the election, with videos showing him and Putin scheming, and half of the Republicans would stick with him. Maybe more.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Elizabelle: Jugglo President. We join Trump on his magical voyage of discovery as learns how magnets work.
LurkerNoLonger
It is sad. If you can’t trust a degenerate conman, who can you trust?
Frankensteinbeck
@TenguPhule:
They are worried. Terrified, even. That is exactly why they have those things, because both the elected and voting Republicans know that they’re already well into ‘cheating is the only way we can win’ territory. Argue that it’s working all you like, they feel it, and it rides them so powerfully that they went absolutely batshit when they saw that things had gone so far a black man could win the presidency.
The Pale Scot
Wait, hasn’t the MSM been gushing about the great Foreign policy team Chump put together?
ruemara
@jl: Which is what I have trouble seeing us doing in the areas we need to.
Miss Bianca
@J R in WV: I am so swiping this…! : )
trollhattan
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
Hopefully he’ll crack the top-10 Leavenworth inmates in their Rasmusson poll.
The Moar You Know
And yet, the people who pull the lever for the GOP will once again, in lockstep, pull it for them again in 2018. No matter what the poll numbers say (you should have learned your lesson about poll numbers this election cycle, people!)
I don’t know how you fix that problem. It needs to be fixed.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@randy khan:
That’s a drop was only in three months too. It really supports the assertion that the electon was mainly about the press indulging in playing mean girls on Hillary and ignoring Trump. It’s not so much Trump did something to dispoint a lot of people, it’s more this is the first time the public had a hard look at him.
Elizabelle
@randy khan:
And fuck the fucking New York Times had this normalize Trump headline up today:
Isn’t that warm and comfy? Home and Honey in the same headline. And LOL, because part of that is that foreign governments are lighting candles that he stays at home.
Anyway, about half the way down the article, someone goes on the record with the obvious:
The Pale Scot
@Elizabelle:
Did you meet Manuel?
Miss Bianca
@Elizabelle: And FNYT also has yet another “area voters wondering when The Winning is going to start” article, because apparently they just CAN’T GET ENOUGH of those “area Trumpenproletariat” stories…
TenguPhule
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: And after a hard look, 45% of those polled just shrugged their shoulders, greased themselves up with butter, bent over and told the GOP “jump in”.
TenguPhule
@The Moar You Know:
Answered your own question, didn’t you?
Gelfling 545
@Elizabelle: wow. I spent Easter weekend in Barcelona – 47 years ago!
Another Scott
@The Moar You Know: You fix it by having wave elections where their votes are swamped. We won bigly in 2006: +31 in the House, +6 in the Senate. We can do it again, and we can do even better.
When Democrats vote, Democrats win.
Working on persuading persuadable Republicans is fine, but the most important job is to make sure our voters turn out. That means doing huge voter registration drives, fighting every effort to block voting rights and voting access, and pushing for vote-by-mail and similar programs. And once we get people in office, we need to do everything we can to fix gerrymandered districts.
Cheers,
Scott.
Cacti
@Another Scott:
Agree.
Trump could never have won without an assist from Bernie, poisoning the well on the left.
Elizabelle
@Gelfling 545: Lots of the buildings still here. But not Franco!
@The Pale Scot: No Manuel. Yet.
Steve in the ATL
@RareSanity: I spent time in a tire center waiting room this morning. The political ads were nonstop. I’m sick of Jon Ossoff at this point, never mind all the right wing liars.
Elizabelle
@Cacti: I think so too.
trollhattan
@Elizabelle:
“Homebody”? I can’t think of somebody who dons a suit and tie to eat a fvcking taco bowl as a homebody. Misanthrope, yes; homebody, no.
trollhattan
@Cacti:
Yup, a cohort who basically said “You can’t make me vote for my mom, no way, man!”
Baud
@Another Scott: Agree.
ChrisGrrr
@WafflesTasteGood: We will outvote the millions in such baffling denial, for many decades. We have to.
(Hard to face, but oh yeah, our country never became what JFK or FDR, or even LBJ, envisioned.)
Elizabelle
@trollhattan: All us homebodies have our own jets at our disposal, and use them (at taxpayer expense) to fly home every weekend we can to Florida. Definition of a homebody right there.
And may Leavenworth be in his future.
Hal
On one hand, that even 45% of people polled think Trump is honest is amazing and depressing. On the other, it’s only been 3 months. If this keeps, he’ll be in a historic level shithole by the end of the summer.
japa21
A very telling sign is where Trump was the day before the Syria bombing and where he is now, including the MOAB bombing, two events he was hoping would do something. Then 40% approval, today 41% approval (yesterday was 39%. IOW, two things that were supposed to boost him had no impact. My guess is he gained some folks and lost a lot of his alt-right base. The folks he gained will start drifting away again.
TenguPhule
@Frankensteinbeck: And yet when it comes to actual policy and legislation, they’re doubling down. Due Diligence? Laughed off, mocked and ignored.
The panic is theater from the media. Their actions are the tell here. They don’t care about the voters, because they are going to be the ones counting the votes.
randy khan
@Elizabelle:
I don’t think that headline was intended as a compliment.
TenguPhule
@Another Scott:
Which is why Democratic votes are going to suffer mysterious setbacks that are not really that mysterious in just enough states to keep the balance of power right where it is now.
lollipopguild
@Elizabelle: Franco is still dead? Asking for a friend.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
@Elizabelle:
Since I learned about Trump insisting that he get to ride in the British Queen’s golden, horse drawn buggy when he goes there in October, something clicked. Trump wants to be a princess. That’s why he ran for president, because he thought he could at long last get to be the princess he always wanted to be, bigly. It explains everything about him. Why does he live in a gold-plated penthouse? Because it’s so princessy. Why does he flee to his princess castle in Florida every few days? Because it’s so much more princessy than the drab old White House. I mean, if it were the Gold House, well, that might be all right. But he needs something a whole lot more gilt and princessy than that. For weeks I’ve been calling him President Manbaby, but after this all came together for me I began calling him Princess Manbaby.
mai naem mobile
There’s a comedian who comes on the Stephanie Miller show, Monique Marvez. Her prediction is that a woman brings down Dolt 45. Not Russia,not China,not conflicts of interest but a woman. She meant an affair or something similar affecting his standing with strong GOP supporters. Stuff with tape and all the rest that goes with a sex scandal.
ruemara
@mai naem mobile: He could rape her in public and get a pass. These people are invested in his ascendency. You’d have to do a lot better than that. And I find Monique Marvez lacking.
jeffreyw
“Saving lives is a good thing, I guess, unless (it increases) … regulations.” — Rep. Chumley. http://grnol.co/2pKkHS0 via @GreenvilleNews
2:02 PM – 17 Apr 2017 · Greenville, SC
Patricia Kayden
So 45% of Americans still find a man who does nothing but lie whenever he opens his orange mouth “credible”? Really, dudes? Unbelievable.
Villago Delenda Est
One of the things that so infuriates me about Donald is that he lies all the time and seems to be blissfully unaware that he is, in fact, lying. Makes me shouty, slappy, stabby, and shooty, it does.
Elizabelle
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): Hmmm. Princess Trump.
Although one does not want to goad him into dropping another MOAB to prove his manhood.
JPL
@RareSanity: Well I just got a robo call from Trump.
Villago Delenda Est
@Patricia Kayden: The 45% of Americans who think he’s credible deserve to be enserfed.
Patricia Kayden
@jeffreyw: They worship mammon so blatantly that it makes you wonder if they’ve never read the Bible and specifically what Jesus had to say about the love of money.
Baud
@JPL: Hopefully all Dems did.
trollhattan
@mai naem mobile:
I’ve never heard why Gloria Allred and the rape lawsuit plaintiff backed off last year–that should have been the torpedo that sank the SS Trump. Suspect some very persuasive forces were brought to bear. How many others? is still a damn good question.
Patricia Kayden
@The Moar You Know: Or maybe they’ll just stay home in frustration at Dear Leader’s collapse. That would be the best case scenario because most of them just cannot bring themselves to vote for those godless Demon-crats.
jeffreyw
@Patricia Kayden: Oh sure, problem is that they see Trump as Caesar.
Patricia Kayden
@Villago Delenda Est: That’s not nearly harsh enough.
mai naem mobile
@ruemara: I am not sure Marvel is correct but think an ongoing affair with juicy little details and the media going all out on it (because sex scandals they uderstand) could stick to him. He’s not a multitasker and all smooth like Bill Clinton, so he would just go off on multi hour ragegasm tweetstorms and come across even more unhinged than ever.
hovercraft
@WafflesTasteGood:
“How in the hell can 45% of Americans still believe a word out of the orange fart clouds pie hole?”
That’s slightly less than what he got during the election, so basically means that republicans are still choosing to stick by their orangutan, tribe over country.
Turns out that Twitler said one true thing during the campaign, he could indeed stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone, and the marans would still support him. They are like battered spouses, always making excuses for their abusers. At this point, they are choosing to be abused, fuck em.
TenguPhule
@Patricia Kayden: Obviously you didn’t study your history. Serfs were slaves in every sense of the word. Bound to the land till death and the first target for anyone and everyone.
Elizabelle
@jeffreyw: Wow. I guess the insurers could get the apartment building owners to install sprinklers? Because the legislature is sure dodging the issue. The one who said the cost would be passed along to renters sounded the most realistic. And they got one imbecile on record saying this:
What they do; spin it out to a point of absurdity.
I wonder if South Carolina allows any schools to function without fire sprinklers? Guessing not, but who knows.
Gvg
He try’s to keep his evil promises like the wall, Muslim ban, repeal health care, I was expecting him to. Does that count? I don’t mean it at all favorably. Sometimes these questions are phrased the way I would prefer. Remember some of the Obamacare disapproval was people who didn’t think it went far enough but they got lumped in with the right wing loons. Not the same thing at all but that was the way the question went.
Van Buren
@Villago Delenda Est: Some might say they already have been.
Patricia Kayden
@Villago Delenda Est: I think he knows quite well that he’s lying. He just doesn’t care. This is a man who has lived a very charming life of wealth and leisure. There are no consequences to his lies — at least to himself and he could care less about other people.
JPL
@RareSanity: Mayors have leeway on where to put early voting sites. In Roswell the first early voting site was in East Roswell where Karen Handel lives, and on the tenth Roswell library was open. That was when you could vote for both candidates. Another person and I went at the same time to vote at the different locations. East Roswell because of more sign in computers was 3 minutes. Mine was twenty five. I heard Friday the wait was two hours at Roswell library. I want the ads to stop cuz I’m not sure what not one us means.
Since I door knock, I know the Ossoff voters in the area are motivated.
hovercraft
@Zach:
“Takeaway from this poll is that Dems still have a lot of room for improvement. Similar polls were all about 10 points more in Dems favor in October 2006. Trump is nearly as unfavorable as Bush was, but GOP congress running several points ahead (but way below were they were this time 2005).”
The good news is that Twitler and his GOPers are just beginning to tackle budgetary issues, and they are already showing that they’ll be as good at that as they’ve been on everything else. By October of next year, they’ll have had over 18 months of one party rule to “tout”, that should be fun. I’m counting on Twitler and Ryan, with a little help from the Freedom Caucus to challenge the record lows that led to 2006.
Patricia Kayden
@mai naem mobile: Russia may help us with that then. A Russian Peeing Hookers video would definitely bring him down with his “family values” crowd. Let’s hope that he’ll piss off Putin so badly that TMZ will get a copy in the mail.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@aimai:
I’m kind of thinking “Florida President”.
It fits…
Elizabelle
@Patricia Kayden: I want it to come out it was a stolen election, and the whole thing was foul, with other Republicans complicit.
A sex scandal would just get us Mike Dense and “Mother”. I want the GOP to get trashed and put out on the curb.
Patricia Kayden
@hovercraft:
Fingers and toes firmly crossed. We cannot afford total Republican control for four years.
trollhattan
@hovercraft:
Bush was drifting downward through summer 2001, then a magical spike. I wonder how Trump’s folks process this tidbit?
Patricia Kayden
@Elizabelle: Good point.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@mai naem mobile:
It would have to involve icky sex: scatology, young teens, animals…
jl
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Thanks for that image. Trump is the new Florida Man.
Gives the pre-existing Florida Man grounds for defamation lawsuit.
efgoldman
@WafflesTasteGood:
Planet Delusia is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there.
debbie
The difference between a smart liar and a stupid liar is that the smart liar knows he’ll have to keep up the lie for the rest of his life. The stupid liar thinks once he’s dropped his bag inside the front door, he’s free to proceed however he wishes. Lying has its own set of responsibilities.
sdhays
@Gvg: I thought the same thing when I read that. Believing that he’s going to keep his promises is not an opinion on whether or not that’s a good thing.
On the other hand, he has contradicted himself on different occasions regarding most of his so-called agenda, so anyone who ever took his “promises” seriously (as opposed to the observed guarantee that the racist asshole would be a racist asshole as Preznit*) was already drowning in kool-aid…
hovercraft
@jl:
Fixed that for you.
All anyone needed to do was ask anyone in the Tri-state area about him and you would have been spared the train wreck that we are all watching unfold in slow motion right in front of our eyes. But no, “real America” disdains us and our big city, coastal elitism, so you voted for a philandering lying piece of shit, who turned around and filled his cabinet with Wall Street people who are doing everything in their power to bleed what little you have left away from you. Suckers.
Another Scott
@JPL: Jon’s been e-mailing me for days that he’s “out of money” so no doubt the ads will stop soon.
;-p
Seriously, thanks for all you’re doing. It’s important. Here’s hoping Jon has a big victory tomorrow. Georgia, and the country, needs it
Cheers,
Scott.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I’m stealing this. It’s soooo good. And true!
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
@Patricia Kayden: I don’t think he does lie, at least not in the way most of us understand truth and lying. I think that whatever he needs to be true at any one time for the sake of his psychological well being is true, and if what he needs to be true three minutes later is something else, then that becomes true, and is no less true than what was true before but no longer is. He doesn’t lie. Not the way we think of it. He lives in a world in his mind of his own making, a world beyond truth.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@jl:
“Florida President plays sad, solitary round of golf before eating a lonely meal, venting his frustrations at his children and then watching several hours of Fox News. Afterward, he spewed some angry inanities on the Internet, inanities which mirrored the jingoistic views of white Americans 70 and older”.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
@Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant): With my compliments.
And you know, only a princess would have gold plated toilet bowls. And only low-class princesses at that. The really good ones don’t flaunt their princessdom.
ruemara
@mai naem mobile: Naw. It will always be the women’s fault. You have to take him down another way.
Villago Delenda Est
@hovercraft: Also, the unspeakable Ferengi scum that run the broadcast networks and cable news channels loved the ratings Donald provided him. Those responsible should ride the tumbrels with Donald.
Villago Delenda Est
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): It might have been “princessy” in the 17th century, but Europe evolved beyond rococo. Now it’s outright gauche, a sure sign of the nouveau riche who are held in utter contempt by old money/aristocracy.
efgoldman
@Elizabelle:
After all these years, the Generalissimo still dead! Imagine!!
wjs
Any event that does not directly enrich the Trump family is thereby suspect. His expression says it all.
“Why aren’t we charging these rubes?”
hovercraft
@Patricia Kayden: @trollhattan:
The difference is that in 2001, we had September 11, and people were scared and we hadn’t been at war for 16 years. Look what’s happened between the Tomahawks and MOAB, his numbers barely budged even though you had idiots on TV rhapsodizing about what a big strong manly man he was for attacking
A-rabs and showing the world who’s boss. We’ve been a nation at war for so long that Wag The Dog might cheer up the faithful, but it won’t convince the majority to support him. We are apparently still dumb enough to like and support dropping bombs on brown people, but that doesn’t translate to improved approval ratings. Our peoples is learning.
efgoldman
@jeffreyw:
And most of them don’t remember their high school Shakespeare. Coastal elites, and all that.
efgoldman
@Patricia Kayden:
Oh my FSM! I can’t imagine an adjective I’d apply less to Citron Shitweasel.
Elizabelle
@efgoldman: and not missed
BillinGlendaleCA
@jeffreyw: Oh gawd, not another Czar.
TenguPhule
@Patricia Kayden:
Which is why I’ve argued so hard for his prolonged agonizing death after a proper trial and conviction.
That’s the only punishment which will actually break through his cocoon. And serve as an example to all that yes, the law applies to all no matter how big they are or how much money they have.
His victims demand nothing less.
fuckwit
you cannot have a functioning democracy with
1) a populace that is not adequately educated in civics, science, economics, or critical thinking
2) an active anti-intellecualism and proud ignorance among a large minority or a majority of voters
3) a propaganda machine that prevents facts and knowledge from getting into the hands of voters at all
4) a level of economic pressure such that even interested and educated parties simply don’t have time or money to participate in democracy
that is why WASF
Cookie monster
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I’d say well over half will continue espousing support for him — for reference, Dubya’s nadir was 55/19/5 with registered GOP/IND/DEM voters, right after the financial crisis (and the infamous McCain campaign suspension), at a time when the country felt much less divided, and we were facing a possible second Great Depression.
J R in WV
@RareSanity:
Ads and emails asking for a contribution. I’m contributing WEEKLY to this campaign, and I get a begging email moments after I get a receipt for this week’s contribution.
I unsubscribe, because I don’t need continuous emails to contribute. But I get them anyway.
ARRGGGHHHHH! but I still contribute.
ETA: And thanks for voting, the MOST important part of the political process!!
john fremont
@hovercraft: And all us blue collar workers from New York. Philly and New Jersey are just union thugs milking the clock on every job, that’s why Trump had stiffed them so much. This I was told by Trump supporters here in Colorado
Mike G
The only thing astonishing is that 62% of Americans were once gullible enough to think such a transparent con-artist would keep his promises, or that 45% still think so.