Everyone who’s not an idiot knows that the primary cause for the rise of Trump is right-wing media. I don’t know how different things would have been without Roger Ailes, but he’s certainly had 10 times the influence of any Republican office holders. The stories coming out about him since his fall are amazing:
But with Ailes gone, Fox executives are now looking closely at how Ailes spent Fox money. And what they are discovering is that, beyond the sexual harassment claims, Ailes was also able to use portions of the Fox budget to hire consultants, political operatives, and private detectives that reported only to him, according to a senior Fox source.
….
According to one highly-placed source, Solivan worked out of what Fox insiders called “the Black Room,” an operation Ailes established around 2011 to conduct PR and surveillance campaigns against people he targeted both inside and outside the company.
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Targets of the campaigns included journalists John Cook and Hamilton Nolan, who have aggressively covered Ailes for Gawker. According to one source, private detectives followed Cook around his Brooklyn neighborhood and Fox operatives prepared a report on him with information they intended to leak to blogs
Baud
He destroyed the Baud! campaign.
Mark B
Every autocratic leader of a totalitarian organization needs a secret police force.
OzarkHillbilly
I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.
AnotherBruce
Watching the Detectives.
Mark B
@shomi: It’s from ‘Watching the Detectives’ by Elvis Costello.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snPDoXl9ZPs
MattF
Murdoch let Ailes do whatever. Exactly why? Could it be that some of those detectives were looking into Murdoch’s business practices? Well, goodness gracious heavens to betsy, could that possibly be true?
The Other Chuck
@MattF: More likely Ailes was doing Murdoch’s bidding. It’s well-established how much Murdoch likes to conduct illegal wiretaps. Given that, what makes anyone think the next guy running Fox News won’t be Murdoch’s hand-picked replacement just as odious as Ailes?
Mark B
@Mark B: Apparently, posting a youtube link puts you into moderation.
Joseph Nobles
Has someone registered a complaint about the Blue Plate Mayo video commercial in the right column that forces the page to align to it and won’t let you scroll until you start playing the video? Because I’m organizing a mob with torches and pitchforks as soon as I find out where Blue Plate headquarters are.
AnotherBruce
@Mark B: Too bad, it’s a great song.
Warren Terra
@MattF: I don’t think you need to come up with such a scenario. It’s far simpler to imagine that giving Ailes free reign with a corporate slush fund run out of Fox News instead of privately was part of his compensation package, that it was not that much money (on the scale of Ailes’s pay) and was a boost to Ailes’s ego and self-conception to have it organized by his office rather than out of his home, and doing it that way kept Ailes in the office rather than meeting with these people at home..
The Other Chuck
@Joseph Nobles: There’s a reason I run an adblocker. As for the mobile site, I just don’t bother reading BJ on mobile anymore.
JGabriel
Baud:
That’s too baud. Maybe you can resurrect it in 2020 or 2024.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Joseph Nobles: I’m guessing that’s the OraTV slot? If you let it run, Larry King eventually shows up?
The Other Chuck
@Mark B: Any bare link does. It has to do with a buggy spyware plugin in FYWP rewriting the links and triggering the equally shitty anti-spam software. I think it’s just Cole’s way of ensuring we always have a hostile relationship with the blog platform. Keeps us on our toes or something.
SFAW
@shomi:
You know, your other comments are usually not bad.
Now, if you could just get off your “I FUCKING HATE ALL THE FUCKING FRONT-PAGERS AND ALL THEIR FUCKING POSTS BECAUSE THEY ALL FUCKING SUCK!!!!” schtick …
Schlemazel
@SFAW:
you should give Wally Ziff all the attention he deserves . . . none
BTW – I have for some time assumed Roger had blackmail on one or more of his ‘talents’. I simply cannot believe some of these people act such buffoons just for money. Carlson graduated from Stanford with high honors yet acted the dumb blond for years. I can’t imagine a normal person degrading themselves that much simply for money/
FlyingToaster
@Joseph Nobles: I had to block ora.tv on all my browsers because besides the autoplay, it usually crashes them. I sent the bug report on to the site fixer.
You don’t need an adblocker per se; I have a blocksite plugin (different for each browser) to stop facebook and ora.tv. I don’t mind ads; I mind ads that crash my browser :)
JGabriel
The Other Chuck:
Perhaps nearly as odious as Ailes is conceivable, but just as odious? It seems vanishingly unlikely that another such person with the requisite experience and background to run Fox News for Murdoch, and also equally or more odious than Ailes, could exist in the same field.
Even if such a person existed, Fox/Murdoch would forego hiring him simply to avoid repeating the same set of scandals that Ailes engendered. Murdoch & Sons will probably be seeking someone capable of creating a wholly new and original set of scandals instead.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
So Hillary’s “filing her nails” here? :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
The Other Chuck
@Schlemazel: Every so often I unhide people in the troll filter because I can’t remember why I added them in the first place. I remembered pretty quickly with this guy: nonstop whining about some front pager or another.
Shalimar
@Mark B: Any naked link puts you in moderation. Highlight the text you want the link to be from, for example Watching the Detectives, then click link and copy the text in the box that pops up. So easy and obvious, even I only had to be shown once (and only messed up twice before getting it right).
Mark B
@The Other Chuck: I think posting a bare link is actually a little more considerate to the users looking at the page. They can see the address before they click on it and decide whether they want to visit the site or not. That’s why I usually post links in public forums as just the bare URI.
NorthLeft12
Shocker! Business executive uses publicly owned company money and employees like it is his own for his own personal gain and protection.
L’etat c’est moi?
When will shareholders wake up and stomp down hard on these thieves?
SFAW
@Shalimar:
You know, if you were as evil-minded as some of us here are, the “Watching the Detectives” link would have sent one to Astley.
Schlemazel
@The Other Chuck:
Because I run chromebook I don’t have a troll filter sadly. I usually just skip over them but once in a while it is fun to poke them. But ‘ol Wally Ziff here is not the least bit entertaining, any novice programmer could write a bot that could do what he does in about 15 lines of code.
SFAW
@NorthLeft12:
Thanks for the AM laffs. You’re talking about Fox, after all.
Mark B
@SFAW: I had exactly the same thought. I didn’t want to be RickRolled, so I didn’t click on the link.
Schlemazel
@NorthLeft12:
inter-locking boards, large blocks of stock owned by institutional investors with incestuous relationships to the BoDs and outright lying.
JPL
@Mark B: I tend to agree, however on my computer, I’m able to view what the link is, before clicking. I don’t know, if that works on smart phones.
SFAW
@Schlemazel:
“Wally Ziff”? Google is not especially helpful.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Mark B: Everyone on the Web should know to hover the mouse over a link before clicking on it. Mobile users probably have to do something different (I rarely Web surf on mobile). It looks like a “long press” on Android does it.
Cheers,
Scott.
Schlemazel
inter-locking boards, large blocks of stock owned by institutional investors with incestuous relationships to the BoDs and outright lying.
EDIT: apparently there is another word in here that sends you to moderation hell – I should have guessed that
greennotGreen
@Mark B: Can’t you usually see the URL by mousing over the link? I can on my PC and by touching and holding the link on my iPad.
JPL
@NorthLeft12: A comment of the Washington Post, disputed the claim that Ailes would have to harass females for sex. After all he’s soooo good looking.
Mark B
@greennotGreen: Sure, if you want to make extra work for the user, that’s fine.
SFAW
@Mark B:
It was the real thing, when I clicked on it. Of course, Shalimar could have gone back and edited it afterward, but that seems like an awful lot of trouble — not to mention requires relatively precise timing — for a RickRoll.
ThresherK
I don’t want to say “I’m not surprised”, but exactly what do the Fox-curious in the mainstream media expect that place’s internal organization to be run like?
After years of FNC has spewed about Obama, and HRC, and Bill, and everyone down to Sandra Fluke, who really thought that the meetings there were something like Socratic debate out of “The Paper Chase”?
Projection is a hell of a drug.
germy shoemangler
“A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words.”
– Dr. Winston O’Boogie
Shalimar
@JGabriel: The British part of the Murdoch empire has been in the news for some horrible shit over the last 5 years, yet none of the leaders there seem to approach the same sort of evil that Ailes had. Maybe because their lack of morals was in pursuit of profit and market dominance, not ideology, political control and personal lecherism.
Schlemazel
@SFAW:
Wally is nobody, a never was that never will be. Less than a zero. an insignificant nit on an unnoticed flea. So insignificant he can’t even get a google hit.
greennotGreen
I don’t think higher-up Fox execs can claim any innocence about the dirty little secrets coming out of Ailes’ coffin. It would be like Jeffrey Dahmer’s landlord saying, “I didn’t know anything was going on. He told me the screams were the TV, and the blood dripping down the wall was from a nose bleed.”
Mike E
@The Other Chuck: It’s all I ever do, surf via droid on chrome… this site works fine, tho my plaintive cries for a thread navigation widget at the bottom of the page go completely unheeded ?
SFAW
@JPL: @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
Except it just gives the URL, not a mouseover that says “This is a video of Rick Astley! Danger!”
Shalimar
@SFAW: If it was something other than Costello, maybe. I love Elvis Costello’s music.
SFAW
@Schlemazel:
Doesn’t really answer my question.
germy shoemangler
Her comments on the network are so consistently idiotic, but this Mata Hari role sort of surprised me. I thought she was just hired because of the quality of her ideas and her journalistic professionalism.
Mark B
@SFAW: I was kidding. Balloon Juice commenters, in general, are too earnest and straightforward to RickRoll someone just for the hell of it. John Cole, on the other hand …
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Mark B: It’s impossible to know what a YouTube link points to, so having it as a bare link doesn’t really help the reader much. ;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
SFAW
@Mark B:
Oh.
Mark B
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: You know it points to YouTube and not ‘NigerianPrinceWithMoney.com’. But I’m belaboring the point, so I’ll stop. I think it’s a stupid policy, but it’s the blog owner’s prerogative, so I’ll just adapt.
germy shoemangler
One simple trick for posting naked links… Cole hates it!
make a comment. then go back to it using the edit comment feature and paste in your naked link!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Bobbo
So is Ailes Nixonian or was Nixon Ailesian?
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Mark B: JC didn’t write the WordPress code or pick the plugins. The code here gets “upgraded” every year or two, but it has lots of cruft that seemingly can’t be removed so there are lots of “quirks” that we have to put up with. It’s just the way it is.
I get thrown in moderation almost every time I try to edit a comment, so I’ve mostly given up trying.
You can still post naked links if you want – you just have to wait for a front-pager to free it from moderation. It can be less than 5 minutes, or half-a-day, later depending on your luck.
Cheers,
Scott.
Frankensteinbeck
I guess I’m an idiot. The primary cause for the rise of Trump is long-standing American racism, distilled into insanity by thirty years of Reaganite ‘polite’ racism resulting in a black president. Fox egged it on, but is as much fulfilling a pre existing need as making it worse. The social process leading to conservatives demanding a hate-screeching moron was already in place.
Baud
@JPL:
In android chrome, you can long press the link.
rikyrah
there is absolutely NOTHING that’s being revealed that would make me say..
REALLY? REALLY?
EVERYTHING that’s being revealed is EXACTLY WHO we thought Ailes was…and EXACTLY what we thought Fox Noise was.
NOTHING is surprising.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Or maybe germy’s naked-link trick, above, will work for you.
Cheers,
Scott.
Shalimar
@germy shoemangler: I thought Tantaros was hired because of the sexy way she foams at the mouth when she spits out her ideas. Of course, she is gone now, another victim of a contract dispute with Ailes.
Bill E Pilgrim
I don’t recognize the English in this comment.
germy shoemangler
@Shalimar: Really? I had no idea she had left. Has she commented on his recent… uh… troubles?
Peale
@greennotGreen: companies that have poor financial control structures are usually high grown start ups who haven’t figured out how to set them up, larger companies who somehow got stuck with a staff that didn’t know what they were doing and didn’t care to improve that staff through retraining or termination. Or by design. I’m guessing with this case, there are probably dozens of guys like ailes in fox who can hire “outside consultants” and as long as no one expense exceeded $1m, controllers weren’t looking into the business purpose too carefully.
Keith P.
I thought it was because America was literally founded on a bunch of Native American burial sites.
jake the antisoshul soshulist
In defense of Ailes, those rats aren’t going to fuck themselves.
Frankensteinbeck
Didn’t I hear Murdoch himself was taking over? That makes no sense, because the old bastard doesn’t need a job, but I’d swear it was what I heard when Ailes’ departure was announced. If so, Fox will only get worse.
germy shoemangler
Shalimar
@germy shoemangler: Her contract apparently expired in April and she hasn’t been on the air since then last time I checked. I haven’t seen any Ailes comment from Tantaros, but haven’t searched around for one either.
scav
@Bill E Pilgrim: Formulaic shtickese, especially when machine-generated can go a bit Linear A.
germy shoemangler
The Ancient Randonnuer
After 25 years of smears and hundreds of millions of dollars spent investigating Hillary Clinton and they got bubkas. A few months of intense examination and both Trump and Ailes wilt under the pressure. Just more proof Clinton is Satan and she must be guilty of something!
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@germy shoemangler: “red dogs under illegal legs“, nicht wahr?
Cheers,
Scott.
(It’s one of my favorite Elvis songs.)
Bill E Pilgrim
@Frankensteinbeck: Yeah I had to pause at that statement in the blog post also. There is no doubt that racism is the main element behind Trump’s popularity, despite the constant blather about his “working class” support, which endless think pieces then stretch into the claim that his support is mostly about economic issues.
His supporters report an average income of $72,000 a year, for one thing. They’re also on average white, male, and people with racist views and fears.
So while FOX News definitely served as the propaganda outlet for a long-term Republican campaign of dog whistling or more blatant racism, it’s only part of the cause. And it’s definitely about racism. Everyone writing those think pieces pondering the mystery of Trump’s rise — is it economic? — seems to have completely forgotten that he gained his political popularity as Birther in Chief, combining racism and religious bigotry in one package. “The black man is a Muslim” is what launched him, and it could still almost summarize his whole appeal.
If you’re looking for a clear cause, you really have to go waaaay back to original sins, certainly way before FOX and the other right-wing media appeared on the horizon.
germy shoemangler
@The Ancient Randonnuer: And in the case of Trump, all one needs to do is find clips of him expressing his contradictory views, and then watch them all together.
Trump Exposes Trump
germy shoemangler
@Bill E Pilgrim:
Household or individual income? And should I wonder if the average Trump supporter would ever tell a lie?
Frankensteinbeck
@Bill E Pilgrim:
Clear argument that economics has squat to do with Trump: The economy has steadily improved over the last six years. Racism has steadily gotten worse.
germy shoemangler
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: You’re right! (not the first time google lyrics has been wrong)
And those lyrics reminded me of the fox talking beauties sitting behind the glass desks…
haroldo
@Bobbo: They both are/were Hooversian.
Bill E Pilgrim
@germy shoemangler: I would actually wonder if they’d tell a lie in the other direction from what you’re thinking. The whole song and dance is that it’s all working people and they can’t get ahead because of Obama. It might be more embarrassing as a Trump supporter to admit that you’re comfortably upper middle class, than to admit that you’re poor. At most I’d say those are equally likely thus cancel each other out, so I’d imagine the figure is about right.
The Ancient Randonnuer
@germy shoemangler: Thanks for the link. Great video. Snared by the words of his own mouth.
Schlemazel
@SFAW:
Sure it does. Wally, and by comparison that troll, doesn’t exist and can be ignored.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Mark B:
You can see the destination of any dressed-up URL by hovering your mouse over it or, on a phone or tablet, pressing and holding the hyperlink.
Schlemazel
@Frankensteinbeck:
Lets not argue over ‘oo killed ‘ oo! This should be a happy occation
You’re both right
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Warren Terra:
Free rein, damn it. You’re better than that.
Patricia Kayden
Sam Seder of Majority Report was encouraging Democratic voters to vote against Ryan in his open primary this Tuesday so that his opponent would beat him and be more easily defeated by the Democratic challenger in November. Brilliant! Hope some Democrats in Ryan’s district are planning to do this to mess up the GOP since it would take out Ryan as House Leader and put his seat into play for the Democrats.
Shalimar
I guess this is tangentially related to Ailes since it is about cable news: Does anyone know what happened to Steve Benen? He basically was Rachel Maddow’s blog up until a few posts Tuesday morning, then nothing at all since then. They have filled in with links to video from the show along with interesting Twitter remarks. I don’t see any announcement that he would be taking time off or explanation for where he went.
FlipYrWhig
@Bill E Pilgrim: The basic Trump outlook, which galvanized his supporters and shows no signs of relenting, is, with apologies to Abe Simpson, “There are too many brown people in this country. Please eliminate most of them. I am not a crackpot.”
FlipYrWhig
@Shalimar: I thought I had seen some sort of summer vacation message.
Bill E Pilgrim
@germy shoemangler: Forgot to answer your other question. From the article I linked to:
The Ancient Randonnuer
@Shalimar: He’s probably on vacation after the conventions. All of his social media accounts have been silent for a few days as well.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@The Other Chuck:
Why? I almost like mobile Balloon Juice on my phone and tablet more than the regular. Have had to adapt to certain idiosyncrasies, though.
Bill E Pilgrim
@FlipYrWhig: True, though I think he decided not to even worry about that last line. I am a crackpot. You don’t care. I know this.
greennotGreen
@germy shoemangler: And what percentage of them are retired? $72,000 is a pretty healthy income if you’re retired, house is paid for, no commuting costs, just the cable bill so you can watch Fox News and keep your bile levels up.
one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer
@Patricia Kayden:
I think that is a grave error in thinking. Janesville is full of knuckle draggers likely to vote R. If the party of Lincoln – George Lincoln Rockwell – retains the House, you are looking at a level of insanity in the office of the Speaker that is pure insane. No appropriations bills move forward under Speaker Gohmert or Speaker Broun, and there is an impeachment vote within a month of the new term.
Ryan’s a craven, sleazy asshole, but not crazy.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Shalimar: Nothing on his Twitter feed either. Dunno.
It would be a good time in the cycle for him to take a vacation, if he’s the kind of person who does that.
Cheers,
Scott.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Mark B:
The naked URL might be cryptic. No YouTube link gives you a clue where it’s going.
Oldgold
@Patricia Kayden:
I might be a naive knucklehead, but I hold the right to vote in too high a regard to ever engage in a rat-effing scheme.
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
@SFAW:
I’ve always been puzzled by the psychology of trolls with a repetitive schtick, and most of them do. If you go on site X every day and post exactly the same thing you posted yesterday, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before… don’t you get bored? What is the amusement value? Why even bother writing when everybody already knows what you’re going to say? How does that NOT make your life feel like a pointless empty chasm?
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Mike E:
Yeah, that would be nice.
Bill E Pilgrim
@greennotGreen: Right, and I guess the point here lest it get lost is that economic level is no predictor of who will support Trump. Certainly there are some working class supporters, but a lot who are comfortably well off.
What is a predictor (from that same article, in turn quoting other articles) :
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
@germy shoemangler:
A problem with your trick for avoiding moderation: Editing puts me in moderation.
Brachiator
@Frankensteinbeck:
Yep. Fox News feeds the beast, but they did not give birth to it.
Mike E
@germy shoemangler: The Letterman show ad, where Dave asks Trump where his shirt line was manufactured (he sees Bangladesh on the label iirc) and where his ties were made (somebody off camera sez China) is pretty good… Trump is all about creating “jobs” doncha know
Villago Delenda Est
@Schlemazel: You’re in my haid. This is a huge part of the problem. Sociopaths in charge, fueled by insatiable greed, who learned all this at business school.
Brachiator
@Bill E Pilgrim:
Only 89 percent? Seems too low. What a bunch of dopes.
Villago Delenda Est
@Brachiator: Faux Noise was created to monetize the beast, by feeding the beast precisely what the beast wants.
scav
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym: The repetitive schtick is branding and, allied with the any notice or PR is good notice and PR, it does all it is designed to do. Why did Drump drag out all the golden oldie insults about bleeding and start jerking about the stage: same principle.
ETA: The mere fact that one interrupts an electron beam is proof of life and thus, apparently, triumph! Doing it in public? Swoon!
hovercraft
@Shalimar:
They posted a note earlier this week saying posting would be light as they geared up for the sprint. I assumed they were vacationing during the olympics. I’m hoping they’ll be back around Labor Day.
Brachiator
@The Other Chuck:
I have not had problems running the site on either my tablet or Android phone. Not doing anything special, as far as I can tell.
Gex
@Bill E Pilgrim: This. The GOP pursued something they called the Southern Strategy after the Civil Rights Act. They’ve been literally building a coalition around racism for longer than I have been alive. Why we must all pretend that there was something new with right wing radio or with Trump is beyond me. We know what Paul Weyrich said attracted the evangelicals. We know what Lee Atwater said their economic talking points were really about.
No one has to take a liberal’s word on what the modern GOP is. They just need to listen to the architects of the modern GOP.
japa21
In a very real way, Fox News is the primary moving factor in today’s RW world. Yes, a lot of the racism, etc. did exist. It isn’t that Fox News created them. But what Fox did is allow those things into the mainstream instead of them being where they belong, on the fringes. Charles Pierce discusses this in depth in Idiot America.
By being a voice for the Creationists, the racists, and just about every fringe theory out their, they gave those things a legitimacy they did not have before. So yes, without Fox News or an equivalent, things would be different today.
And this doesn’t even take into account the way CNN and MSNBC altered their approaches to mimic Fox to at least some degree.
Chat Noir
@Shalimar: They’re taking a summer break. Will Farina at the Maddowblog posted a note saying so. He said Steve and the rest of their bloggers will be back for the fall political campaign.
satby
@Steeplejack (tablet): I only read on the Kindle now, no ads, less crud to deal with. And since Hotmail was ported to the truly execrable Outlook, it’s easier to read it on the tablet too.
Outlook has no good way to mass sweep and delete mail by senders like hotmail did. You have to do it one sender at a time. Sucks.
MattF
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym: It’s called ‘perseveration’. Children do it, a lot. Adults usually don’t unless they have some sort of neurological deficit.
Baud
@Brachiator:
Interesting, but not surprising. Minority voters simply are considered “working class” in our political culture.
[email protected]
I haven’t read the thread but had to leave this here. CNN chyron: is Trump’s bad week due to media bias?
MattF
@Baud: I wonder if the Dem income distribution is bimodal. If so, a lot of the usual statistical parameters are meaningless.
ThresherK
@Bill E Pilgrim: I’ve got a dollar that says: “What’s the unemployment rate done under Barack Obama?” is a predictor, too. Or jobs creation.
MattF
@[email protected]: Um, ‘No’.
SFAW
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym:
Not disagreeing with MattF’s comments, but it also strikes me, to some degree, as similar to xkcd’s SIWOTI strip — except, in this troll’s case, it’s not someone being “wrong,” it’s certain persons existing/posting. Does that fall under the “perseveration” umbrella? I don’t know.
janeform
Haven’t read the thread but had to leave this here. CNN chyron: Is Trump’s bad week due to media bias?
AnotherBruce
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: For awhile, I thought the lyric was. “Here comes a pair of lethal legs.” Hats off to Elvis, but my poor hearing comes out with some good interpretations sometimes.
Raven Onthill
Oh, wow.
This has shaped the political thinking of a generation? This?
ThresherK
USA Women beat Senegal 94-38 in basketball.
Wait, that’s after three quarters. Wow.
Baud
@MattF:
I…um…wonder that too.
Capri
@Brachiator: Yes, the whole Fox/right wig media opened things up for any demigod, but they also specifically helped Trump. He’s been fluffed on that channel for years. He was given legitimacy as a “great businessman” and an “expert” for a long time.
MattF
Rick Wilson, erstwhile Republican operative, says Trump must be beaten ‘like a drum’.
Brachiator
@Frankensteinbeck:
Very unlikely. That’s not how Murdoch runs his empire. I could see him having one of his kids oversee the operation.
patrick II
I have read how paranoid Ailes was. I guess he though someone might be doing to him what he was doing to everone else. RWNJ/psychopath/amoralist projection as always.
dmsilev
@janeform:
trollhattan
@Frankensteinbeck:
IIRC one of his kids, as they supposedly were behind getting rid of Ailes.
Rupert is interested in one thing: making money. Driving the conservative agenda is gravy.
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
Was in the Barnes & Noble yesterday and was flipping through this Doonesbury all-Trump collection. Pretty amazing to see 30 years worth of the same bluster.
Spoiler: Both Duke and Honey show up, and in a bizarre plot twist, they get married. I didn’t read the whole thing so I don’t know what happened to that particular subplot.
I guess it’s been over 30 years since I was a regular reader of Doonesbury, because I don’t remember ANY of this Trump stuff.
satby
@MattF: man, that is a hell of an article.
Feebog
@Shalimar:
I believe they announced last week that Benen would be on vacation.
Mike in NC
@janeform:
Going to go waaaaaay out on a limb here to predict starting on Monday the media will decide Clinton needs to have a bad week. For “balance” and to keep the absurd horse race going.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Why is everybody picking on Jake Tapper’s sister-network?
Brachiator
@japa21:
About 34 percent of Americans reject evolution entirely. That ain’t fringe.
Fox News exploits, feeds on anger and resentment, but it is a fantasy to deny that it has always been there, or to believe that it was safely pushed into the margins before Fox News came along.
Frankensteinbeck
@MattF:
‘Please, please don’t let the American public find out that Trump is what the Republican Party has always stood for!’ I wanted Trump to win the primary precisely so this would happen.
See? You’re a bigot yourself, Rick Wilson. You just don’t like that Trump might make you face it.
‘Trump doesn’t hire enough people like me! We can’t let that spread!’
‘In my dream world, spreading race hate is what intelligent, educated people do, and this barbarity must be caused by something else.’
‘PLEEEEEASE don’t tear down the mask! I don’t want to know I’m a racist!’
‘What will happen to voter suppression? What if our bigoted anti-LGBT laws are overturned? Without assault rifles, how will we scare the darkies back into their place? My god, man, Clinton will treat Hispanics like human beings!!!’
No sympathy for this asshole or his party whatsoever. The only difference between him and Trump is reading/writing grade level.
Baud
@Frankensteinbeck: I welcome the call for a blowout. We can draw swords after the election.
Frankensteinbeck
@Baud:
While your sentiment is admirable, I disagree. This is precisely the time to drum home, now and for the rest of the election, that Trump is the Republican Party. He’s no fluke. He’s not leading them astray. He represents what the party believes and stands for, and it’s the whining spokespeople who are the party’s fringe. ‘Donald Trump’ needs to be branded on them for a generation.
mike in dc
Kasich just reaffirmed the story about being offered VP and being put in charge of both foreign and domestic policy. I think he’s not going to lift a finger to help Trump win Ohio, and probably won’t free up his state machine to do so either.
hovercraft
@Capri:
Didn’t he have a regular spot on Fox and Friends? I think he had a segment every Monday or Friday going back to 2012. They took him from being some crack pot birther who endorsed RMoney, to a regular ‘contributer/commentator’ who they brought on to bash Obama. They made their audience, the base, believe that he was a credible person with valuable insight and knowledge into the state of the nation/world. They built this.
germy shoemangler
since this is a Doug! post, here’s something about Jeb!
How a Chinese businessman funneled 1.3 million bucks to Jeb’s campaign
– germy!
Villago Delenda Est
@Chat Noir: They’re French. They’re taking August off.
Brachiator
@Mike in NC:
I’ll take that bet. I think that Trump will find something new stupid to do.
And as to the horse race thing? You mean that Hillary has it in the bag?
Villago Delenda Est
@hovercraft: To be fair, the “mainstream” media outlets, eager for ratings on the cheap, invited him on because he attracts an audience, no matter how idiotic, and that means more viewers, higher ad revenue, more profit. It’s all about the simoleons, all the time.
? Martin
@Bill E Pilgrim: White working class voters aren’t quite Trump’s base. White working class generally doesn’t vote just like working class minority voters generally don’t vote. But that doesn’t mean there aren’t a lot of people that aren’t sympathetic to white working class that do vote – either voters that have worked up into better paid blue collar jobs or management, or people that see white working class voters as a marker for what they believe America should look like.
If you believe that the US is indeed a meritocracy and you see white workers struggling while minorities and immigrants gain increased status, then you would probably (wrongly) conclude that minorities and immigrants have gained greater social and economic power than whites. Requires that you have a strong racial bias, but we know that they do.
satby
@Frankensteinbeck: Your translation is probably accurate, but he’s writing to other Republicans, who also want to pretend in just the same way. He’s giving them cover, probably to go vote Johnson, but not to vote for Drumpf at least. Every voice in that chorus helps.
ThresherK
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Genuine Question Time: Did Bernie Sanders once call Wolf Blitzer “Jake” during an interview? Or the other way around (like it makes a difference whether it’s Tapper or Blitzer doing the journamalism)?
Well, a wag posted a meme photo of a crying 10-y.o. girl captioned
And now whenever I think of them, or CNN, that’s all I can think about: One smushed-together undifferentiated hack.
Villago Delenda Est
@Frankensteinbeck: Abso-fucking-lutely. Drumpf is the id of the GOP made manifest, and he represents precisely what the GOP base is all about. They built this monster, they’re responsible for it, and it needs to be made to utterly destroy them.
germy shoemangler
@Brachiator:
It’s already begun. My local news affiliates keep repeating the following clips: HRC at the press conference saying she must have short-circuited (by the way, can’t they show any other clip from that press conference? NO), and then a quick cut to Trump saying We can’t have a president who short-circuits (points to his head in a gesture suggesting HRC ain’t right in the head).
I’ve already seen this segment about five times over the past day or so.
They really want me to hate her.
Baud
@Frankensteinbeck:
I agree that we shouldn’t shy away from being honest about how Trump came to be. But I don’t how arguing with Rick Wilson helps with any audience.
Villago Delenda Est
@Frankensteinbeck: Drumpf’s primary problem is that he doesn’t use the dogwhistles that the sainted shitty grade Z movie star did.
germy shoemangler
@satby: Johnson. He didn’t even know who Harriet Tubman was. Had to be reminded by an aide.
He’s a guy who got rich as a crappy contractor and decided his brand of ayn randism is just the thing we need.
hovercraft
@MattF:
He hates Trump with a passion. He was on I think with Chris Hayes and called Trump “a virus that was eating the host from within” I’m pretty sure that he will be voting for Hillary, even if he never says so publicly.
Baud
@satby: Or better yet, stay home.
satby
@germy shoemangler: I’m evil, because every single bit of Republican cannibalism I see I savor like a fine wine. Let us all savor.
Brachiator
@germy shoemangler:
It’s more how Jeb! suckered the Chinese into throwing a million bucks down a rathole.
But interesting article on how Democrats and Republicans find a way to get their hands on illegal foreign cash.
satby
@hovercraft: Good.
@Baud: Even better!
Baud
SFAW
@Villago Delenda Est:
I’m getting kinda tired of you beating around the bush, ya know.
germy shoemangler
@satby: You’re not evil. You’re human.
SFAW
@germy shoemangler:
Point guard on one of the WNBA teams?
hovercraft
Jake Tapper just did a segment imagining (it was in the form of a cartoon) what went down at Obama’s star studded birthday. Saying that George Lucas was there, he wondered what the he would give the president for his birthday, and then Lucas presents Obama with a box containing Jar Jar Binks. Are you fucking kidding me?
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@AnotherBruce: Have you seen ‘cuse me while I kiss this guy? It used to be pretty entertaining (haven’t been there in years).
Cheers,
Scott.
germy shoemangler
Andrea Tantaros: Honeypot.
It’d make a great novel. Wingnut talking head’s real job is to trap network president’s enemy. Her job spouting hateful bullshit on-air is merely a cover.
germy shoemangler
@AnotherBruce: I was an avid collector of Elvis Costello records from the ’70s through the ’00s. I could never understand a single word he sang. Sometime in the ’90s I bought a big book of every one of his lyrics. It was amazing! I finally saw that he is one of the great lyricists of the 20th & 21st century. And not a bad tunesmith.
He was the best collaborator Paul McCartney ever had, after John Lennon.
Amir Khalid
@Brachiator:
A belief that, say, the sun went around the earth would also be a fringe belief, even if held by a majority of Americans. It’s not the percentage of people holding a belief that puts it on the fringe; it’s the fact that it’s been widely discredited, including by common experience.
Corner Stone
This is an epic Men’s Foil match.
ETA! Holy Shit! Massialas pulls out the win to advance for the US!
He held Avola off for 7 points while he only needed one last touch.
ThresherK
@SFAW: First African-American female nominee for an acting Oscar?
@germy shoemangler: “My Brave Face” is a time-capsule single which belongs up there with the best of Paul’s work, and I can see Elvis’ fingerprints all over it.
lgerard
@Frankensteinbeck:
The only thing you need to know about Rick Wilson is that he was behind the Max Cleland/Osama ad.
case closed
trollhattan
Add to the talent list a surprisingly accomplished guitarist. I’ve seen him three times, first with The Attractions early in his career around the time of the second album and a couple years ago, solo. He owned the house that show, telling stories as he swapped among a collection of at least a dozen guitars. Not Richard Thompsonesque but very good in an array of styles, including jazz. A treasure.
Thoughtful David
@Frankensteinbeck:
Word.
hovercraft
Bret Stephens of the Wall Street Journal, “the American people deserve a president who can speak grammatical english,” Trump supporter giggles and says “that’s so snobby,” Stephens “no, it’s true.” We are through the looking glass people.
Jeff Spender
I don’t know why I find it surprising that the media wants their damn narratives so bad that they’ll prop up a man who treats nuclear weapons like dime-store firecrackers.
I’m so weary of their bullshit.
The Lodger
@Bill E Pilgrim: To a Trump supporter, “comfortably upper middle-class” = “too much of my money going to those blahs and Messicans.”
germy shoemangler
@ThresherK:
demo version
one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer
@Corner Stone:
I was always a saber guy – wasn’t as fond of foil.
germy shoemangler
@Jeff Spender:
He’ll lower their taxes.
And isn’t that all that matters?
Brachiator
@germy shoemangler:
Interesting. And sad. I have not watched or listened to much national news this weekend, so I have missed this.
lollipopguild
@Frankensteinbeck: Very nice summation/takedown. One of the reasons I come here the other being pet pictures and seeing if John has found a new and interesting way to injure himself.
one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer
@Jeff Spender:
I’m wondering how much of the likely drop in ad rates on products marketed to younger demographics (which are peeling away to streaming, ad free services) has led to efforts to slice away some of those oldsters.
If CNN starts running a lot of Lifelock/Rascal Scooter/Jitterbug/Reverse Mortgage/I’ve Fallen and Can’t Get Up ads, we have our answer.
JPL
@Brachiator: Same with my local news. What network affiliate were you watching? I watched the local ABC station’s noon news.
Jeff Spender
@germy shoemangler: I don’t get that line of thinking. I once knowingly exposed myself to MRSA so that I could do CPR; didn’t have enough time for gloves or anything just got in there and saved a life.
By the way, I’mma send Grover Norquist an altered version of his “no raising tax pledge.” He wants me to sign it and send it back. What he’ll get is a form for him to sign that pledges he’ll take a vow of poverty and never work more than a part time job with shitty insurance and a car always on the brink of collapse.
hovercraft
@lgerard:
He is scum, but the fact that even scum thinks Trump is toxic is telling. We’re watching a pit full of scorpions fight it out. Fun for us, so long as we don’t fall in the pit with them.
Villago Delenda Est
@hovercraft: Jake Tapper vies with Chuckles the Toddler to top the tumbrel manifest list.
Villago Delenda Est
@Jeff Spender: Like a guy who is the heir to a small fortune will ever agree to that.
burnspbesq
Just a wee, tiny bit oversimplified, wouldn’t you say?
MomSense
@Bill E Pilgrim:
In the NYT video one of the Trump supporters says that Trump is our last chance to preserve the culture he grew up in. It’s not about economics, it’s about women and black peoples being back in our place.
LosGatosCA
@The Other Chuck:
Yup. The Cossacks work for the Tsar.
Corner Stone
@one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer: The footwork is fucking unbelievable.
I missed what happened to you being an oppressive tool and are now some kind of English elitist sailor?
Villago Delenda Est
@Jeff Spender: They’d have to give a flying fuck about something beyond the current fiscal quarter.
raven
Nene!
Brachiator
@Amir Khalid:
Nope. Belief in a flat earth or that man did not land on the moon are fringe beliefs. Most people do not believe this, nor are they clamoring to have this included in school textbooks.
scav
@raven: Something you should be telling us? Think of the goslings.
raven
@scav:
scav
@raven: I guessed at something Olympiod. But a bird randomly yelling out the name of another bird unexpectedly in the middle of a thread is far far funnier.
lollipopguild
@scav: I want my Christmas Goose.
Gravenstone
@SFAW: It’s all the little fuckwad knows. It knows no one would come to a blog it owned, so it comes to larger blogs to shit all over the proceedings, braying about how it would do things. Only no one, anywhere cares about it or how it would do things. Sad, really.
ThresherK
@raven: Wait, he changed his name, legally, and didn’t make it “Rodney Hilarious”? Talk about a wasted opportunity.
redshirt
Speaking of trolls, Brinks Truck Unlimited Victory! hasn’t tried to come back recently. Maybe Adam finally squashed him for good.
The Lodger
@redshirt: I haven’t seen Reginald Mandrill either. Maybe the troll factory shut down for an Olympic break. Wonder what they’re all doing for spare change.
bemused senior
@The Other Chuck: I use Opera on my phone…works flawlessly.
Mike E
@scav: duck duck NENE!
Capri
@hovercraft: Yes. Just think, if he weren’t such a squish on social issues, Jim Cramer would be the republican nominee right now.
About the news coverage – the politics follows demographics. All the late night shows are liberal (and increasingly political across the board) because the viewers are young. The six-o-clock news hour type shows are conservative because the over 75 set are their viewers. The networks are chasing the age groups, and increasing the country’s polarization in the process.
Tehanu
@Frankensteinbeck:
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty good article until that line. He’s not going to lose the “liberty” of believing in a version of his own religion that’s almost exactly the opposite of what the person he worships taught — you know, the guy who hung out with whores and tax collectors and thieves and didn’t follow the purity rules of how to eat and who to eat with. He’s just going to lose the ability to force other people to lose their liberty by making them live according to his bigoted beliefs. Oh, the humanity, yadda yadda….
No One You Know
@Shalimar: Yeah. That worked beautifully when I had a real keyboard, but I can’t get it to do that on my phone (the only way I have to get online conveniently, at the moment). All hail next month’s paycheck!
Mnemosyne
@scav:
I got some pretty good nene pictures when we were in Hawaii. There were almost as many of them on Kauai as there were chickens.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@germy shoemangler:
She misspoke in a speech and called Trump her husband, which is a hilarious snark at Trump in itself, so Trump, being the idiot he is, is jumping all over Hilary about it and not using his surrogates. Harping on a woman for making a clear mistake must be Trump’s new outreach to the ladies to gain their votes because you know how women love it when guys do that.
So basically Trump is going to make sure Hilary doesn’t get a turn to have a bad week.
SFAW
@ThresherK:
Don’t you mean the Nobel Peace Prize for Acting?
No One You Know
@Gex: True, although only a liberal will notice; believing is seeing. Seeing can’t happen if you’re not looking, I believe…
Steeplejack (phone)
@No One You Know:
Pressing and holding a hyperlink on your phone should get the destination to pop up (along with a menu of actions).
Miss Bianca
@Mark B: I don’t know that BJers all necessarily too earnest to rickroll someone. Me, I’d be afraid of some sort of retaliation. ; )
The Golux
@Mark B:
As a bassist, one of the most mesmerizing bass parts of all time.
sukabi
@germy shoemangler: was it delivered in a Brinks truck?
mr_gravity
@germy shoemangler: “Everyday I Write The Book”