In a country with a working press and sane electorate, this would simply be the end of the Trump candidacy:
In blunt testimony revealed on Tuesday, former managers of Trump University, the for-profit school started by Donald J. Trump, portray it as an unscrupulous business that relied on high-pressure sales tactics, employed unqualified instructors, made deceptive claims and exploited vulnerable students willing to pay tens of thousands for Mr. Trump’s insights.
One sales manager for Trump University, Ronald Schnackenberg, recounted how he was reprimanded for not pushing a financially struggling couple hard enough to sign up for a $35,000 real estate class, despite his conclusion that it would endanger their economic future. He watched with disgust, he said, as a fellow Trump University salesman persuaded the couple to purchase the class anyway.
“I believe that Trump University was a fraudulent scheme,” Mr. Schnackenberg wrote in his testimony, “and that it preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money.”
Combined with the fact that he refuses to release his tax returns (nice troll-fu, DNC), this theory that Trump is basically broke by Josh Marshall makes a lot of sense:
Again, wld someone worth $10B screw around with 'Trump U' and 'Trump Steaks'? Of course not. Trump probably not even a billionaire.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) May 31, 2016
2/ be a while longer until he can get GOP donors to reimburse him for the primary campaign. That makes the million dollar contribution to ..
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 1, 2016
4/ $250m. Has Trump done anything in the last decade hat wld make his wealth grow 40 fold? Trump Steaks? Trump U? Flipping a few golf …
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 1, 2016
6/ the real number is dramatically less. Romney may be worth more. The more questions get asked the bigger the meltdown will be.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 1, 2016
This was interesting, too:
The idea that Trump is wealthy to the tune of his oft-claimed $10 billion dollars, combined with his utter lack of transparency regarding his fantasy financial statements left little to go on. For political professionals, due diligence required we assume he could bring serious cash to the game.
By August of last year, I was working to convince major donors that Trump would be a destructive force and likely throw the race to Hillary Clinton. One moment from that period sticks with me as a turning point in my thinking about Trump’s money; a major Wall Street donor laughed when I told him we’d need to mount a serious and fully-funded effort to take on Trump if he chose to self fund.
My friend scoffed at the very idea that Trump was worth even a quarter of the mythical $10 billion, much less that he was liquid to the tune of more than $200 million. “He’s not a billionaire. I’m a billionaire. He’s a clown living on credit.”
***The evidence is mounting, and quickly, that his promises to fund his campaign are just one more Trump con; a shell, a hollow edifice of fake-it-til-you-make-it. Trump, is by the standards of 99.9% of Americans, a wealthy man, but he’s not liquid enough to fund an actual modern campaign. It’s not simply that he doesn’t have the money; it’s that his mythos requires that no one ever figure out that he doesn’t have the money.
The press seriously should stop asking him any questions except for those related to his release of his taxes.
liberal
Yeah, but he’s a BUSINESSMAN. So he KNOWS WHAT HE’S DOING.
MomSense
I’ve thought for a long time that Sanders isn’t releasing his taxes because they will show he has more money than he lets on and Trump won’t release his taxes because they will show he has much less.
Wouldn’t it just make this primary circus if it turns out that Sanders has more money than Trump?
Tim C.
But Hillary is Shrill!
Actually the real problem the media will have with getting this story out is that Trump has been running for almost a whole year and it took them this long to figure it out.
Felanius Kootea
Well, a President Trump would leave a mark on higher education in more ways than one. The people he scammed through the Trump University scheme probably now realize that he’s not really a billionaire but his true believers will never let go of the “successful billionaire” image that they love.
I subscribe to the Chronicle of Higher Education, so apologies if this article is behind a paywall.
chopper
to quote a notorious president, “aint that america?”
Litlebritdifrnt
Reposting from downstairs because I desperately need help.
Question for all you IT types. My computer here at work updated me to Windows 10 over a weekend WITHOUT MY PERMISSION and now every damn setting on my computer is screwed up. I can’t scan documents because my scanner can’t find my computer, I cannot access IE (which I need for specific court documents), there is no damn start menu to speak of so I can’t go in and do a system restore to get rid of the damn thing. Is it possible to just uninstall it?
slag
We finally get a thread about Obama’s economy, and now you Trump in? What is this place? CNN?
Ruckus
Have said all along that he’s worthless. It’s just he”s worthless in every way possible.
SteveinSC
Trump reacts in more and more out-of-control fashion when asked for simple details. He might go Postal if someone demands he name his five Birther detectives he sent to Hawaii. Even that dry-drunk moron Chris Matthews (aka ‘The Spitting Fool’) got under his skin about consequences for women having an abortion. It’s his Achilles Heel. Push him on each of his claims to force details. That is why he is so ballistic over the Vet’s Scam. Push him on his taxes—details details you asshole and watch him sweat.
dedc79
As i mentioned in a prior thread, everyone should refer to him as “The Millionaire Donald Trump” unless/until he proves otherwise. This wouldn’t bother most people, but it will bug the hell out of him, all while reinforcing that he’s full of sh$$.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@MomSense:
I agree. The Sanderses, Bernie and Jane, having more money than He, Donald is more than I could hope for.
rikyrah
The Trump University scam are political ad GOLD.
bemused
@dedc79:
Better yet, quote the wall street donor who scoffed at Trump’s claim of being a billionaire: “He’s a clown living on credit.”
El Caganer
Small bank account, small hands, whatever.
kindness
Yo Donald! Where’s the beef?
Villago Delenda Est
Oh, sure John, the worthless lickspittles of the Village will ask The Donald tough questions about his phantom finances.
In the spirit of John’s fantasy, I now extend an invitation to all in the Juicetariat to attend my coronation as Tsar of all the Russias next week in Moscow.
John Cole
@slag: Hrmm. Lemme check. Yep. Thread is still there. Am I missing something?
seaboogie
Trump a tad weak on reading comprehension, because he Re-tweeted this tweet of mine
But it seemed like praise to his demented mind, so…..
Bob In Portland
An essay at Consortium News, by Lisa Pease.
I realize no one here wants to read it. No one here wants to know how we feel.
singfoom
@Litlebritdifrnt: This may prove useful to you:
http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-to-uninstall-windows-10-and-downgrade-to-windows-7-or-8.1/
I can’t say that it will help your problems per se, but it sounds like it’s what you want to do.
I’ve been on Windows 10 for almost a year now and love it (upgraded from 7 64-bit voluntarily) but I can understand if you don’t want to. It is a fine operation system as Windows goes, mine has been super stable. I never had 8. Good luck to you.
Villago Delenda Est
@kindness: Not in his bank account, and not between his legs.
Villago Delenda Est
@Bob In Portland: No one cares what you feel, Putin lickspittle.
Central Planning
@Litlebritdifrnt:
Maybe. Google “uninstall windows 10” and see if you can follow those instructions. If your employer auto-installed Win10, you might not be able to uninstall it.
MomSense
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
FSM would never be that good to us, but it would be so enjoyable.
MattF
Either Trump University or the business with ‘contributions’ to veterans’ organizations should be extinction-level events. Der Trump’s response has been lies and bluster. And then more lies and more bluster.
singfoom
So is this the final straw? The thing that will actually destroy Drumpf, the teflon Don of politics? The whole Drumpf University thing is straight out fraud. As more of the case trickles out into the public, I think he might just implode.
Of course, I could be Kristoling myself as every single previous thing that was going to take Drumpf down proved to only make him stronger.
But I just don’t see him being able to hand wave this away. When he can’t hand wave something away he gets angry and starts insulting people. After that he really gets angry and doubles down on the insulting. Maybe, just maybe this will force him to tell the truth about his financial condition.
And if he has to tell the truth about his finances, the man behind the curtain is exposed and he’s a fraud. It won’t matter to the racists simpletons that “love” him for being “anti-PC”, etc, etc, but it’ll keep a lot of people that are less awful from voting for him.
MomSense
@Villago Delenda Est:
The taller the tower the smaller the…..
Feathers
@Litlebritdifrnt: Posted this downstairs – didn’t realize it was a work computer. You undoubtedly do not have privilege to roll back the upgrade. Is IT there to help you? If not, just google each thing you are trying to do as a question. The ransomware situation is causing companies to upgrade immediately, even if it means breaking lots of internal stuff and then fixing it. Microsoft is apparently being pretty strict about demanding that companies keep up with upgrades and patches in order to be secure.
Here’s something on finding Internet Explorer: How to find Explorer in Windows 10
Villago Delenda Est
@Feathers: So it’s ransoms paid to anonymous criminals in bitcoins, or ransoms paid to Microsoft in good old Ameribucks. What a great situation to be in!
RK
You’d think a good Trump U ad campaign would mortally wound The Farce but authoritarian white nationalism (the driver of GOP politics) may trump everything.
A Ghost To Most
@chopper:
Little tRump houses, for you and me
singfoom
@Bob In Portland: I read the article. TL;DR – A Jerry Brown staffer had sad feelz and won’t vote for the Clintons because they’re everything wrong with politics and the Democratic party.
That’s great Bob. Here’s the thing. Nobody cares at this point. No, Hillary isn’t a lot of people’s first choice, but she’s pretty much locked the nomination. At this point, that article and others like it are just sour grapes, just yelling at “WHY IS THE WORLD SO UNFAIR??!?!?!?!” like a 4 year old.
I hope that the article allowed that woman to express her feelings and get it out. That’s about the only good it will do. 3 million more Democratic voters have voted for HRC than Sanders. But hey, keep fucking that chicken. Do me a favor and remind me how we can’t possibly understand politics right now without understanding JFKs assassination and the Nazis we’re totally backing in Ukraine.
Here, this link is for you. http://www.vice.com/read/a-vegan-cafe-was-attacked-by-meat-wielding-neo-nazis
I wonder if one of those guys knows anything about RFK’s assassination. I bet you could get to the bottom of this Bob. The world is depending on you!
Roger Moore
@kindness:
In these fabulous Trump steaks!
Feathers
One thing I hope this mess does is push both parties to demand release of income tax forms and some sort of vetting before candidates are allowed into the debates. If you haven’t been squeaky clean on your taxes, you aren’t serious about becoming president. On the Republican side, it’s been clear for a while that a presidential campaign is basically a Fox News commentator internship position. What Sanders has shown is that if you can’t produce the tax files, you are just too shady to be trusted in other matters.
A Ghost To Most
@Bob In Portland:
Sack up, Boris.
slag
@John Cole: Yes. Kay. You’re missing Kay.
Mr. Mack
I use windows 10 as well, but had to disable auto updates. Everytime it would update, it removed the Chrome shortcut and changed my default browser. Every. Time.
President Obama would clearly be in a position to know Trumps’ net worth, would he not? Perhaps thats’ why when he was asked about Trump, he flatly said ” I know he’ll never be President.”
MattF
See, the thing about con artists is that they take your money and then disappear. Trump is stuck, surrounded by reporters– ineffective as the reporters may be, The Donald can’t do the disappearing act. So, he’s got a problem.
Millard Filmore
@Litlebritdifrnt: My laptop auto-updated on me, took maybe two hours out of my life to do it. When it rebooted, it put up a EULA query box that demanded all disputes go to arbitration. I did not read the rest of the deranged EULA and elected to decline their very generous offer to screw me. After the new Windows 10 got over its shock that anyone would turn down anything from Microsoft, it asked for confirmation. “Yes! I am sure.”
Windows 10 then took another 20 or 30 minutes to remove itself and bring WIndows 7 back to life.
Not sure this will help you in particular, but for others, if you are horrified by a Windows 10 auto-update, simply reject the new EULA.
pseudonymous in nc
Of course Trump’s not tech-billionaire rich. He resembles Robert Maxwell and Mohamed Fayed and all of the other stereotypical lavish-living rich man, but who survives on leverage and credit and shuffling money from one entity to another and using the losses from one business (of many) to offset the profits on another.
Percysowner
@Tim C.:
And she shouts!
MattF
@Percysowner: And her hobbies are dull.
A Ghost To Most
@Millard Filmore:
There would have to be a very good reason for me to not upgrade to Windows 10 (especially for free). It is a much superior and secure OS.
delphinium
@A Ghost To Most: LOL
schrodinger's cat
Trump is unqualified to be President. End of story. My bosscat is more qualified, for one he has more dignity.
schrodinger's cat
OT: For those who are as tired of Trump Purana as I am. Ladki beautiful kar gayi chul (Beautiful girl made me go crazy) I even found a version that has English subtitles. Alia Bhatt is much cuter than Trump fur shure.
seaboogie
@seaboogie: My bad @#18. Retweet was from realDenaldTrump, not the actual one. MY reading comprehension is off! Heh.
The Lodger
@MattF: I dunno dere, I tink her hobbies a pretty interesting guy.
gene108
@Litlebritdifrnt:
Windows 10 comes with Windows Edge. You may have some compatibility issues. I do with some websites that usually only run on IE.
The solution is open Windows Edge. Put in the website you want to go to. On the far upper right hand side are three dots that will produce a drop down menu, when you scroll / click over it. One option is “Open in Internet Explorer”.
I’m not sure what to do with the other stuff.
Villago Delenda Est
@schrodinger’s cat: Drumpf is unqualified for any elective office, at any level, in this or any other country on this planet.
Cheap Jim, formerly Cheap Jim
Twitter remains the best medium for 3+ paragraphs of prose.
Reggie Mantle
@Villago Delenda Est:
Reminds me powerfully of the Republicans circa 2005. “We won. No one gives a fuck what you think.”
Cole’s followers return to the fascistic rhetorical style of his wingnut roots. The circle is now complete.
Dmbeaster
@Bob In Portland: Guess what. Most people have heard the story and know the arguments. And it was funny to see a Bernie supporter build an argument around 1972. Bernie would likely crater in the general in the same manner. He doesnt pull in majority support among Democrats. He might not be as bad as McGovern in the general but would not outperform Dukakis.
gene108
@MattF:
Lies and bluster got him the Republican nomination…but of course lies and bluster are what all the Republicans candidates were doing, Trump just did it better…
Roger Moore
@slag:
Unfortunately, he can’t make her post if she doesn’t want to. She’s still around in the comments section sometimes, but she apparently doesn’t have the time to post on the front page anymore.
slag
@Roger Moore: I know. But is there a Kay substitute out there somewhere? Someone who’s willing to talk economy with snark and substance? It does seem hard to find.
Gin & Tonic
@Reggie Mantle: Bob has said, repeatedly, on this very forum, that he was not going to vote for HRC under any circumstances. Once you declare yourself irrelevant to an electoral outcome, it stands to reason that people will no longer care what you think.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
@Litlebritdifrnt: If you have an IT department, you’ll need to leave it to them. I’ve not heard of any successful reversals of a Win10 install; most viable option would be to copy local files off and do a clean install of the previous OS. If the department is competent, this should be slightly inconvenient but not complicated.
Chyron HR
@Reggie Mantle:
Meanwhile on planet Earth, Sanders openly boasts that Republicans are his constituents and blames his loss on the “dumb” decision to exclude them from Democratic primaries.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@A Ghost To Most: It’s not actually a free upgrade for a lot of people.
There’s a hell of a lot of software out there that won’t run under Windows 10. The last person I talked to was going to be out of pocket $3K to buy a W10-compatible replacement for something she has to have to get her work done.
And that’s not even bringing up the forced updates on the free version, which has been regularly breaking computers and uninstalling software. The worst offense was when it uninstalled AMD Catalyst Control Center late last year.
@Litlebritdifrnt: If your IT people want you upgraded, then it’s their job to sit with you until everything you need it working again.
If W10 snuck in without their permission, then there are ways to get the old OS back. It’s not always perfect, so be prepared to call in support.
Anyone who hasn’t been hit by the W10 virus, and who doesn’t want to be hit by it, check out GWX Control Panel.
Once they started the ransomware tactics, I made sure every computer had GWX on it. I’m dreading the day when my husband calls me from work about W10.
Bobby Thomson
@Reggie Mantle: you’re the one who seems to have a problem with democracy.
different-church-lady
In other words, the modern American Dream, post-Gordon Gekko.
Millard Filmore
@A Ghost To Most: “It is a much superior and secure OS.”
That may be, but I was seriously worried about losing all the little configurations that sometimes do not survive such a big change.
LesBonnesFemmes
@Bob In Portland: Bob, maybe you should stop posting here. What do you gain by it? You should write a book about all that stuff you know; a really really really long book. That would be good for you.
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland:
No one here could possibly avoid knowing how you feel.
different-church-lady
@LesBonnesFemmes:
I can’t decide whether to go with “…and the pig enjoys it” or “He’s not exactly here for the hunting.”
Mike G
This will only make Trump more popular with his authoritarian-followers.
They’re winners, you see, and have only contempt for those who got duped and admiration for the con artist.
different-church-lady
Democrats: “OK, we won’t.”
chopper
@Bob In Portland:
we all know how you feel, bob. the fact that you keep telling us over and over is getting boring.
Carl W
@Mr. Mack: Why would Obama be in a position to know Trump’s net worth? (And really, nobody — including Trump — CAN know Trump’s net worth precisely; it depends on knowing what all his property would sell for, how much he can make off of licensing his brand in upcoming years, etc.)
chopper
@LesBonnesFemmes:
he could call it Listen, Gliberal.
J R in WV
@Litlebritdifrnt:
There are several suggestions in the thread below, including going to your employer’s tech team. Other’s know far more than I do and many chipped in. Take a look.
singfoom
@chopper:
Might I suggest Listen, Gliberal: How JFK’s Assassination Controls the 2016 Democratic Primary
or Listen, Gliberal: Hillary Clinton Got More Votes Than Bernie Sanders So Bernie Won
or Listen, Gliberal: Putin Told Me So, The Bob in Portland Story
They would all be 1000 page tomes with 30% of the material in footnotes that are barely intelligible. Sourcing done with 25 year old random CIA related newsletters.
Mnemosyne
I am very popular at work right now. I brought a dozen cupcakes back from lunch and put them in the kitchen.
Mr. Mack
@Carl W: Wishful thinking perhaps? It seems pretty plausible that being in charge of a vast network of intelligence gathering agencies makes him able to know the tiniest details about anyone. But I don’t for a minute think that’s necessarily a good thing.
Kay
@Mike G:
I don’t know- resentment might work. “Trump and his family are living lavishly while these poor people work to pay off their Trump University credit card debt”. It’s really pretty gross, the personal excess contrasted with this blatant rip-off.
Villago Delenda Est
@Reggie Mantle: Yeah, well, we know how you feel about actual democracy. You whine like Drumpf at a press conference when it’s pointed out to you that Hillary has more votes than Bernie.
PurpleGirl
I have a friend who works for one of the Hearst companies. I’ve often gone to lunch at their staff cafeteria with her. Several times I’ve been there on days they are offering steak or burgers made with chopped beef from the Hearst Ranch. No you cannot buy Hearst beef in a retail context. You only get it at a Hearst cafeteria. Is it better than other beef? It’s a little better but it’s really the cachet of getting beef from the Hearst ranch.
Mnemosyne
@Mr. Mack:
Not to shoot down a fun conspiracy theory, but I’m guessing it has more to do with the fact that Obama headed two successful presidential campaigns, knows what you need to do in order to win, and knows Trump just ain’t that organized. You can’t fake your way to the presidency.
les
@singfoom:
Please, only after the rethug convention.
NotoriousJRT
@Bob In Portland: Your whine and rep should have been enough for me. But I took the bait. Luckily two sentences in and I spit out the hook. Anyone who thinks a vote for Sanders will change the status quo is full of it.
Trollhattan
@chopper:
Getting boring? Not only has that ship docked, it’s been hauled from the water; cut into sections; shredded; freighted to the steel mill; melted down; cast into ingots; extruded as girders, rails and rebar; transported to job sites; and now gleams on the Shanghai skyline when the smog permits.
Mnemosyne
@PurpleGirl:
Actually, you can buy it at Hearst Castle to take home, but I’m not sure that counts as “retail” if it’s the only retail outlet.
JCJ
@Litlebritdifrnt:
Search for Internet Explorer. It is still in there. I have to use IE to access some stuff for work.
lollipopguild
@Villago Delenda Est: Will there be dancing? And cake?
PurpleGirl
What I think people who got caught up in the Trump University thing didn’t realize or know is the extent to which Trump’s real estate “success” depended on his ties to political power in the NYC real estate sector. And there’s his introduction to the field through his father and his real estate empire. It’s not like he was cold beginner and put together the land parcels from scratch.
PurpleGirl
@Mnemosyne: To my knowledge in NYC you can get it at the Hearst cafeteria.
ETA: As since the built the new building and consolidated all their office locations there, there’s only that cafeteria in that building.
chopper
@Mnemosyne:
yep. it’s pretty good. used to live nearby so it counted as “local”.
I always wanted to track down whoever grazed their buffalo around the corner from my house so I could get some hyper-local meat. alas.
Trollhattan
@PurpleGirl: “Born on third base thinking he hit a triple” isn’t solely applicable to clan Bush.
Carl W
@Mr. Mack: Well, I think Obama could get a team to come up with a pretty good idea of Trump’s net worth. But I think it would be unethical (and, for all I know, illegal) to use government resources for that, and if it came out it would be a major scandal (particularly because it would be evocative of Watergate); and I don’t think there’s any significant upside. So I hope he’s too ethical to do it, but even if he weren’t, I’m pretty sure he’s too smart.
Mnemosyne
@Carl W:
I have zero government resources at my fingertips, and I *GUARANTEE* you that Trump is vastly overstating his net worth. Anyone with half a brain has already figured it out.
Earl
So, if one were going to donate maybe $1k to Hillary, where to donate to? Direct to Hillary? Her superpac / Priorities Action USA? Somewhere else (preferably far away from DWS)?
Carl W
@chopper: I grew up on a farm/ranch, so I’ve often eaten beef from cattle that grazed as little as 60 feet away (as in, that’s the distance from the dining room table to the nearest pasture fence line). Never noticed that it tasted much differeent than any other beef… (I’m not a foodie.)
PurpleGirl
@singfoom: I bought a netbook in 2008 with Win XP; all my other software was aimed for Win XP. I’m not even sure the netbook can handle anything else. But I’m thinking about buying a new laptop or netbook and that will be with Win 10. I’ve been told I can do a dual boot on the newer OS so I can still use my older scanner and printer programs, etc. I’ve always set up my software for needing my okay for installing anything. I will read your link, it sounds interesting.
Villago Delenda Est
@lollipopguild: Cake imported from Versailles circa 1789, and minuets to die for.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mnemosyne: He imagines his “brand” is worth $3 billion all by itself.
Carl W
@Mnemosyne: I agree; I was only arguing against the idea that Obama would have used government resources to come up with a net worth number for Trump.
pseudonymous in nc
@PurpleGirl:
I’d be curious to know how personally familiar the McMegan family is with the Trumps, given that her McDad was in charge of the New York General Contractors’ Association for 20 years, and before that worked for the NYC DEP under Ed Koch.
Reggie Mantle
@Villago Delenda Est:
Why do you keep lying? Is it because the prospect that your candidate is deeply flawed and widely disliked so hard for you to face that you have to just do as the Republicans do and make up straw men to argue with?
I’ve never once denied that Hillary has more votes that Bernie. What you’re in denial about is that that Sanders still has 10 million plus voters that you people seem hell-bent on driving away. I’m not a professional political strategist , but ‘WE HATE YOU, YOU SUCK, NOW SHUT UP AND VOTE FOR HILLARY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO” does not seem to be a winning theme.
Omnes Omnibus
@Reggie Mantle: I’ll just note that the 2008 Obama campaign wasn’t exactly offering free handies to Clinton supporters in order to get them on board. Most of the 2008 Clinton supporters had enough sense to get on board by November. I expect that most Sanders supporters will do the same this year. The few who want to behave like seagulls and make a lot noise while shitting all over everything, well, they can fuck off.
gwangung
@Carl W: There’s competitive intelligence units in the biz world. Simple thing to hire a crack unit to do an analysis.
gwangung
@Reggie Mantle: nah we’re just driving away the assholes.
Chyron HR
@Reggie Mantle:
Again, you are the ones who explicitly told us that you will never under any circumstances vote for Clinton. #Bernie or Bust, yes?
Why does it so ENRAGE you to be treated like an adult who’s responsible for his own actions?
Roger Moore
@PurpleGirl:
You most certainly can. The Whole Paychecks here in Southern California have Hearst Ranch beef regularly. It scores a 4 on their 5 step animal husbandry standards, and the price isn’t out of line with other free-range, grass-fed beef. I think there isn’t enough of it to sell outside the fancy supermarket segment, even limiting sales to California, but it is available within that market.
Reggie Mantle
@Chyron HR:
Total lie. I have never said either of those things. You’re making shit up. Just like the Republicans. Proud of yourself?
different-church-lady
@Mnemosyne:
As the famous bon mot went, “Yes, but we’ll need a majority.”
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Reggie Mantle:
What is your point other than to be an annoying whinebag?
The Thin Black Duke
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: It’s on the top of his head.
Reggie Mantle
@Chyron HR:
Actual post from me, May 31, 2016 at 4:57 pm, when I was told I was “never going to vote for Clinton anyway”:
So if you think you have such a strong case, why do you feel like you have to lie in support of it?
Reggie Mantle
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
That you people are trying your level damn best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Now go ahead. Shriek at me to FUCK OFF again. It’s SO persuasive.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Reggie Mantle: I thought this thread was about Trump?
raven
Why do you engage with this punk?
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
what if all three of these are true?
Reggie Mantle
@raven:
Deep denial is like that.
Reggie Mantle
@chopper:
Even if true, if this is your message, you’re going to lose.
different-church-lady
@Reggie Mantle: If we have to lose this election to cause your INCESSANT WHINING TO CEASE, then I, for one, am willing to make the sacrifice.
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
well, we’ll lose the WATB vote, but i think we’ll manage.
Omnes Omnibus
@Reggie Mantle: Do you really think that remarks aimed at a few dead-enders on a Division II level blog is the message that the Clinton campaign is going to use when Sanders eventually calls it quits? Do you really think that you are truly representative of the majority of Sanders voters?
Reggie Mantle
@different-church-lady:
So, as noted elsewhere, it’s supposedly vital for Trump to lose, but apparently not vital enough to refrain from being dicks to voters you could be winning to your side. Because the BernieBros hurt your fee-fees.
different-church-lady
@Reggie Mantle: Are you utterly humorless, or just trolling?
daves09
latest poll-marist/NBC: Clinton 49%, Sanders 47%.
Strange thing on this one( California primary), the larger the sample the higher HRC’s numbers.
Still, if you have friends in Ca. who are voting for HRC, get on the horn and remind them-vote, vote, vote.
Omnes Omnibus
@different-church-lady: I suspect that the answer is yes.
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
I don’t think the election is going to come down to the vote of one internet crybaby, so again, I think we’ll manage.
Reggie Mantle
@Omnes Omnibus:
Oh, it’s not just here. Hippie punching and vicious, open loathing of Sanders and his supporters are now the norm in what used to be the liberal blogosphere. Will Hillary be smarter than than to buy into it? As noted previously, she’s shown some steps in the right direction—to howls of outrage from that same commentariat. We’ll see what happens.
Reggie Mantle
@daves09:
And if they say they’re voting for Sanders, be sure to scream at them, tell them how stupid and whiny they are, then demand they vote for Clinton anyway. It’s the Clintonian way.
Omnes Omnibus
@Reggie Mantle: Just because people are punching you doesn’t mean you are a hippie. If you cannot see the difference between Sanders supporters and Sanders dead-enders, you are not looking very hard. The people wandering around shouting about Goldwater Girls and Goldman Sachs aren’t supporters; they are dead-enders.
Mr. Mack
@Mnemosyne: I seriously like this better.
different-church-lady
@Reggie Mantle: Dude, nobody phoned you up.
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
well, just the ones like you demanding everybody else drop everything and validate your precious man fee-fees. have some dignity FFS.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Reggie Mantle:
Have you given any thought as to why that might be the case?
chopper
@BillinGlendaleCA:
self-righteousness is a hell of a drug.
Reggie Mantle
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Sure I have. It’s because there’s little real difference now between Clintonites and wingnuts. Same lying, distortions and straw men. Same “you’re either with us or you’re with the enemy” mentality. Same bullying “we got more votes so shut the fuck up and eat this shit sandwich” attitude. Same sneering that anyone who has a problem with that is “whining” and weak.
And the same hysterical denials that there’s anything wrong with any of that.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. You might as well hire Karl Rove.
J R in WV
@Earl:
Here’s where I donate – straight to her campaign fund:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/contribute/donate/
Smiling Mortician
@Reggie Mantle: Seriously, Reggie, take a nap. The people you’re calling “Clintonites” are actual Democrats who know where the primary ends up because the math is clear. They’re starting the general election against Trump because it’s time. If you can’t figure out that Sanders didn’t win the primary and that Clinton is the Democratic nominee, then I don’t see a whole lot of point in explaining to you why, as Democrats, we join forces to defeat the Hilariously Frightening Republican, Donald Trump. Anything short of that task is self-indulgent. So . . . maybe a nap will help.
different-church-lady
@Reggie Mantle: …and then you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic and Dr Scholl sandals and last Tuesday’s ‘Daily Express’ and he drones on and on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Powell can speak and then he throws up all over the Cuba Libres.
Bounder Will you be quiet please.
Tourist And sending tinted postcards of places they don’t know they haven’t even visited, ‘to all at number 22, weather wonderful, our room is marked with an “X”. Wish you were here.’
Bounder Shut up.
Tourist ‘Food very greasy but we have managed to find this marvellous little place hidden away in the back streets.’
Bounder Shut up!
Tourist ‘Where you can even get Watney’s Red Barrel and cheese and onion…’
Bounder Shut up!!!
Tourist ‘…crisps and the accordionist plays “Maybe it’s because I’m a Londoner”‘ and spending four days on the tarmac at Luton airport on a five-day package tour with nothing to eat but dried Watney’s sandwhiches….
Bounder SHUT YOUR BLOODY GOB!!!!
Mr. Mack
Though I am usually loathe to do this….Reggie Mantle, I find it hard to believe that you don’t understand where the animosity toward bernie comes from. He had such an enormous opportunity to effect change…and he just couldn’t let it go at making a difference. He ran as a DEMOCRAT, then proceeded to tell the rest of us that have been in the trenches for decades what that means….do you really not see the arrogance? It is indeed unfortunate that the rest of us, and our candidates, will often have to swallow our righteousness and compromise, triangulate, and concede in order to get as much done as we can, given our opposition. I’m not as gifted with respect to snark as many others that frequent this blog (sometimes I am grateful) so I generally choose to engage until I decide to ignore. Your feelings should not be dismissed, but at some point you have to glance at the game-clock and make some hard decisions. Pretty sure I just mangled a metaphor.
different-church-lady
@Mr. Mack:
When one’s feelings are, “You people are wretched, now stroke me,” then yes, they should be dismissed.
SFAW
@different-church-lady:
Were they singing “Torremolinos, Torremolinos” too?
Reggie Mantle
@different-church-lady:
A lesson which Clintonites have never apparently learned.
Gin & Tonic
@Reggie Mantle: You know, maybe I’ve had one too many cocktails, but so what. Dude, I’m old and white and straight and financially secure, and have places I can go if necessary, so I’ll survive a (God forbid) Trump presidency. But I know people who aren’t as well situated in various ways, and while the outcome matters less to me, it matters an awful lot to them, and a Trump presidency would be an unmitigated disaster to their lives. So while #NeverTrump may not be a slogan that sends tingles up your leg or makes you feel all warm and righteous inside, there are lots of people who, even though they might be best off with Sanders, will still be a lot better off with Clinton than they will be with Trump. And since I know math and recognize that the latter two are the only choices on offer in November, I will be voting for HRC, as any person who now calls him/herself a Democrat should do.
SFAW
@Reggie Mantle:
What exactly have you been trying to accomplish, lo these past few days, with your attempts to tell some unspecified but large percentage of commenters that they’re all, in effect, assholes who are trying to piss off all the Bernie supporters? I see a few possibilities:
1) You’re a Republican troll, and you’re doing it as a variant of cleek’s law
2) You’re a Bernie-or-bust-er, and you’re doing it as a variant of cleek’s law
3) You’re a Bernie-or-bust-er, and you’re trying to show how noble you are — because you claim you’re willing to consider maybe possibly voting for Hillary if Trump says something really bad like “Kill all the Jews!” or “Kill all the liberals” or some new demagogic statement — and if only the non-Bernie-or-bust-ers would give you N reasons (where N is a large positive integer) why Hillary is not 5 times worse than Trump, then you’ll be … well, not happy, but not totally pissed at the non-Bernie-or-bust-ers.
4) You have this idea that, even though Bernie’s getting a significant say in the Dem platform, and is getting four (I think) committee chairmen/women at the Convention, it’s not enough because Bernie is the only one who truly represents the interests of the 99 percent and not Wall Street.and Hillary is just another Republican anyway and so on
5) You’re behaving this way for sport/spite
6) You’re a latter-day Naderite, pretending to try to convince commenters here that there’s no difference between Hillary and Deadbeat Donald. (This is just a variation of numbers 3 and 4.)
I guess there are other possibilities, but they’d all be somewhat similar to these.
Because, you see, your statements have been a pretty clear indicator that you’re not interested in being persuaded; you just want to tell everyone here (except for commenters like Bob in Portland, plus a few others) that we’re all assholes for not giving you a figurative handjob so that your quite important feelings are soothed enough so that you might, maybe, possibly, I’ll-consider-it-for-a-picosecond, perhaps vote for Hillary (as you hold your nose).
Based on your aggressive sanctimony, and your non-Bernie-or-bust-ers punching, no one here believes you will ever vote for Hillary — including you, I would venture to say. Maybe THAT is why your comments get the reception they do.
You want people here to convince you that Hillary is worthy enough? Then stop being such a self-important asshole in your comments, you might learn something. Not that it would cause you to consider Hillary, of course.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Earl: Personally, I’d sign up for a monthly donation on HRC’s site and spread it out over the next 5 months. They value a steady revenue stream more than a lump sum (it helps their budgeting as you’d expect). Plus, you’re probably less likely to get begging calls for you to max out ($2700).
My $0.02. I’ve got no inside info.
Cheers,
Scott.
Reggie Mantle
@Gin & Tonic:
@Mr. Mack:
Now see, that’s something someone might listen to. No bashing, no OMG I HATE BERNIE SANDERS SO MUCH AND HIS WIFE IS UGLY, no yelling “troll troll troll” , no foaming at the mouth and howling FUCK OFF AND DIE BERNIE BROS BUT ONLY AFTER YOU VOTE FOR HILLARY.
Maybe Clinton supporters won’t blow this for her after all. Maybe.
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
your brain-damaged stereotypes are intriguing. what, perchance, do you imagine black people are like?
i’m sure it’s just faaaaantastic.
TriassicSands
@dedc79:
Or simply the “modestly wealthy” Donald Trump. Millionaire is still a lot, but Trump doesn’t seem like a person who could tolerate anything about him being seen as “modest.”
Omnes Omnibus
@TriassicSands: Comparatively well-off.
Reggie Mantle
@chopper:
Then again, you have people like you, who somehow extrapolate unwillingness to quietly put up with being insulted by people who then either demand my vote or tell me it doesn’t matter into the idea that I’m racist.
So it’s still touch and go.
different-church-lady
@Reggie Mantle: If I were to say to you that you had the right to do whatever the hell you wanted with your vote, would you then shut the fuck up already?
Omnes Omnibus
@Reggie Mantle: I’ve been called a neoliberal warmonger for making a decision that Clinton was the candidate who had the best chance of being elected and moving forward a liberal agenda. I got over it. This is election is bigger than your feelings. If you aren’t a dead-ender, no one has a problem with you. If you choose to parrot GOP talking points and demand that people beg you for your vote, then you are immature and selfish.
Omnes Omnibus
@different-church-lady: One doubts it.
Mnemosyne
@Reggie Mantle:
What David Neiwart said. A sample:
chopper
@different-church-lady:
where would we get our daily dose of melodramatic dead-ender?
chopper
@Reggie Mantle:
there’s that melodrama again.
Matt McIrvin
@daves09: The California primary polls are weird: there are two flatly contradictory sets of polls, one camp showing Clinton 10+ points ahead of Sanders and the other always showing her 2 points ahead. And this has been going on for weeks.
From a convention-delegate perspective it doesn’t matter in the least: Clinton easily wins the Democratic nomination either way, since Sanders would have to win California by an impossibly gigantic margin to get enough pledged delegates to lead. But I suppose a Sanders win could convince him to make more trouble at the convention.
ETA: Ah, it’s a division by polling method. Clinton is 2 points ahead of Sanders in traditional live landline phone polls, and far ahead of Sanders in Internet and automated polls. Make of that what you will.
Paul in KY
@SteveinSC: I agree, Steve, keep him on the defensive. Man, there are enough things for him to be defensive about.
Paul in KY
@Omnes Omnibus: I would say we’re at least the equivalent of Division 1AA (or whatever they call that now).
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Well, that, plus you support a team which glorifies (or at least abets) mass murder of various quadrupeds.