I don’t know how to fix the double posting below. I don’t know why the comments contained therein are anomalous. Feel free to heap derision on my cluelessness here. Or discuss more pleasant topics. Open thread.
ETA: Guardian live blog on the Scotland vote here. [H/T Origuy in comments]
Mnemosyne
I tend to lean towards the Buster Keaton version — Damfino.
Also, to blogwhore for a moment, I put up my DVR recommendations for tomorrow on TCM and have a piece up about “Trouble in Paradise” that I snuck onto the blog on Monday afternoon when no one was paying attention.
scav
Well, the Daniele Watts plot doesn’t so much thicken as it doubles. Watt’s Watt’s going on?! Did so with the last Elon post, so something replicable to wrestle with at least. New treats from FYWP to keep us busy.
Origuy
The Guardian is liveblogging the Scotland vote count here.
Violet
@Origuy: Thanks for the link. This vote affects me directly due to English family living in Scotland, property ownership and the financial implications of a “yes” vote. Given that no one knows how the financial stuff will go if the Independence vote wins, we don’t know what to do at this point. Watching closely though.
Suffern ACE
@Origuy: If I lived there, I would vote no. But since I don’t, I root for yes. Because.
ranchandsyrup
been trolling all of the mouthbreathers on FB that pimped the “Obunglercare users won’t pay their premiums” wish. I’m real popular and they still insist that it will be the death of this great nation– because I’m a end zone dancin’ jerk and not because of substantive reasons.
MattF
@ranchandsyrup: I’m so pleased at the way every single prediction the Obummercare haters made has turned out wrong. A BFD all by itself.
soonergrunt
well, that was just fucking weird.
Trollhattan
Tell it.
Tell it.
Betty.
Betty.
Also, too, some asshole has been arrested for starting a giant forest fire (71k acres, 5% contained) east of here, burning up some of my (soon to be former) favorite places.
beltane
@Suffern ACE: A “yes” win would be much more entertaining for those of us who really couldn’t care less.
ranchandsyrup
@MattF: lotsa wrong predictions, for sure.
A couple of “friends” took umbrage with me copy/pasting their predictions. So unfair!
ranchandsyrup
@Trollhattan: consarnit. Lovely little corner of CA in pollack pines.
Amir Khalid
I’m all for Scottish independence. We Malayans didn’t care to be under English rule, you Americans didn’t, the Irish (well, most of them) didn’t, the Indians didn’t, why shouldn’t the Scots want out too? Yet I’m not sure from the coverage if they have worked through the details of disentangling themselves from Britain. For instance, I hear they want to keep Elizabeth II as their queen, which doesn’t seem a good sign. I hear there is a current Thane of Cawdor. Maybe they could offer the throne of Scotland to him instead?
Trollhattan
@ranchandsyrup:
Really thought that through, didn’t you? [golf clap]
“How dare you impugn me with my own words? Good day, sir!”
SatanicPanic
@ranchandsyrup: Oh, cut and pasting their predictions? that’s brutal
Iowa Old Lady
@ranchandsyrup: Gotta love evidence!
Trollhattan
@ranchandsyrup:
Here is this morning’s incident map, which shows triple the area from yesterday’s. I keep hoping it’s a mistake.
mdblanche
@Amir Khalid: I don’t know. The last time they made the Thane of Cawdor king I don’t recall it working out very well.
@Violet: If your family tries telling you it’s actually quite nice there, don’t believe them.
Violet
catclub
Charles pierce on the Ferguson grand jury:
I guess he does not think there is a chance of the jury running away and actually indicting Wilson.
It would be amazing if it did.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_Latest_From_Ferguson
ranchandsyrup
@Trollhattan: dammit. Thx for sharing and stay safe.
Violet
@efgoldman: Har har. It’s differently when it affects you personally. Land ownership issues. Financial issues. Legal entanglements. It’s potentially a real mess for us.
Calouste
@efgoldman:
Hey now, there are fish living in the North Sea. You don’t want them to get haggis poisoning, do you?
Amir Khalid
@mdblanche:
You should take that story with a grain of salt. It’s an Englishman’s version, after all.
Trollhattan
@ranchandsyrup:
Thanks, you know what fires are like a little too well. We’re too urban for this to be a threat but that’s my numero uno backcountry playground being put to the torch. And fire season will go for two more months, at a minimum.
Suffern ACE
@Amir Khalid: according to Wikipedia, the current Jacobite pretender is Karl, who would also be King of Bavaria. Seems like a good man. Was imprisoned by the Nazis as a boy since the Wittlesbachs were anti-nazi. Not certain if that means they were anti-fascist in general, but they did suffer for their sympathies. Unlike, say, the uncle of the current queen.
Violet
@mdblanche: Visit relatively regularly. The part where my family lives is gorgeous.
jl
@Amir Khalid:
” Yet I’m not sure from the coverage if they have worked through the details of disentangling themselves from Britain. ”
The main ‘detail’ that has not been worked out, or at least not discussed honestly by proponents of independence, is what they will use for currency: break fiscal link with England, but say on the pond, easy peasy no problem. But, could be like saying “We will just love it, to be in same position as Greece and Spain, economically”
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but hope if independence wins, they can improvise. The current plan for currency and macroeconomic policy of an indepedent Scotland is not good.
mdblanche
@Amir Khalid: But it was written to flatter a Scotsman.
jl
@Violet: thanks for update.
Violet
CNN apparently sucks in the UK too. Go look at the picture.
jl
@Trollhattan:
” Here is this morning’s incident map, which shows triple the area from yesterday’s. I keep hoping it’s a mistake.”
Sickening map, with fire zone that covers some very beautiful country. And still only 5% contained. I keep thinking of the Rim Fire.
Little rain front moving through, hope that helps tonight.
Schlemazel
Where is the asshole who dismissed the impact of the data mining operation of OFA & insisted it was HIM that got Obama over the top? Maybe he could save us?
jl
@efgoldman:
” Stuff the bagpipes with the haggis. ”
Don’t type stuff like that. Might give a chef some bad ideas.
Suffern ACE
Hmm. If the scots didn’t want to be ruled by a German, there are lines extending from illegitimate sons of Charles II to choose from . The most handsome of which is the current Duke of Grafton. The others appear to be stuffy old men.
Dog On Porch
Fuckifino would be a great name for a band.
jl
@efgoldman: Bagpipes are preferable to haggis. Be careful what you wish for. Might become a fashion. People will be sucking the haggis out of the thing through the drones.
burnspbesq
@Amir Khalid:
If the Scots vote yes, they should make former Aberdeen and Scotland goalkeeper Jim Leighton king. Just because.
I mean, is this the face of a Scottish king, or is it nae?
https://www.google.com/search?q=jim+leighton&espv=2&es_sm=91&tbm=isch&imgil=8cxR5zoXYnb5SM%253A%253BXLTatFLil45CbM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fthenhoj.wordpress.com%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=8cxR5zoXYnb5SM%253A%252CXLTatFLil45CbM%252C_&usg=__HoEI0bIFZWCgRULyGRz4GOePSdI%3D&biw=1276&bih=683&dpr=2&ved=0CDoQyjc&ei=elUbVIXJHbH2igK3vYDACA#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=zmYwQPWKQM9KYM%253A%3BymBf4LD-XJZ46M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%252Ftto%252Fmultimedia%252Farchive%252F00111%252F82100577_scot_111133c.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%252Ftto%252Fsport%252Ffootball%252Fscotland%252Farticle2955590.ece%3B620%3B413
Origuy
@mdblanche: Yes, but James the VI and I wasn’t descended from Macbeth, who was never actually the Thane of Cawdor.
@jl: I’ve had Chicken Balmoral, which is chicken breast stuffed with haggis in a whisky sauce. Not bad at all.
Corner Stone
@Dog On Porch:
I was thinking some version of a Port wine.
Corner Stone
@efgoldman:
What a delicious suggestion!
Corner Stone
@Violet:
Take me with you!
scav
@Corner Stone: Wouldn’t a fino be a sherry?
Violet
@efgoldman: Meh. Sean Connery lives in the Bahamas. He’s a tax exile and didn’t even vote in the referendum. Talks a big game. Doesn’t walk the walk. Link.
Violet
@Corner Stone: Oh, honey. It’s a long, expensive trip and I’m visiting family usually under stressful conditions. If you just want a free trip, figure it out yourself. If you want to come help me sort out the family dramas, see little of Scotland except the inside of homes and maybe an exciting trip to the supermarket or bank, then come along. It’s a thrill a minute.
Amir Khalid
@burnspbesq:
Annie Lennox would make a regal Queen of Scotland.
Corner Stone
@Violet: I just thought we could fly out of IAH and sit beside each other on the flight over, speaking nothing but BJ shorthand the whole way.
Then you could translate for me when the Scots people opened their piehole and said something incomprehensible.
Mnemosyne
@Suffern ACE:
The current queen is the only current head of state who served in WWII. What did you do during the London Blitz, hmmm? ;-)
beltane
Whatever happens with Scotland, turnout has reportedly been well in excess of 90% meaning that apathy is not an issue.
Violet
@Corner Stone: Even Scots don’t understand what other Scots say, depending on what part of Scotland they’re from.
Speaking in BJ shorthand might be kind of fun. I’m sure that would entertain the other passengers. Generally I try to sleep on the plane because upon arrival it’s going to be busy and stressful.
scav
And while waiting for actual results, I just had to snort at the ‘that’s probably really not the shirt you want to wearing when arrested for (allegedly) head butting your wife and then punching her a day later after she’d covered for you to the cops the day before” photo at Guard. Let alone with possible elements of the whole mind control game mixed in, but I’ll leave that to the professionals.
Corner Stone
@Violet:
“Helicopters were laughing as they faxed credenzas.”
“Mopping naked, and the mustard is missing.”
“Ravens fan roommate? Party Animal PJ’s.”
Corner Stone
@scav: Knew a man named Sherry one time. Dad of a friend of mine.
Violet
@Corner Stone:
“Dammit, Rosie!”
“Did you leave the Subaru in the field?”
“The Applebee’s salad bar on this plane is terrible.”
Roger Moore
@Amir Khalid:
I think they should offer it to the Duke of Rothesay.
mdblanche
@Roger Moore: Sheesh. What did the Scots ever do to you?
burnspbesq
@Amir Khalid:
Well, there is the small matter of that MBE that Dame Annie would have to renounce.
Origuy
@Roger Moore:
Who is also the Lord of the Isles.
Roger Moore
@burnspbesq:
“I can’t become queen if it would mean giving up my MBE!”, said nobody ever. Besides, she’d presumably become the head of the Order of the Thistle, which is way cooler than just a MBE.
Roger Moore
The first votes are counted. Clackmannanshire voted 46.2% Yes, 53.8% No.
mdblanche
@Roger Moore: If Scotland as a whole votes yes can Clackmannanshire remain in the UK?
Roger Moore
@mdblanche:
No, or at least not under the terms of the referendum. Scotland has an independent political existence and entered into a voluntary union with England to form the United Kingdom, so there’s some reason to accept that they can ask for independence. The same thing doesn’t hold for political subdivisions of Scotland.
Origuy
Clackmannanshire is the smallest mainland subdivision and was expected to go for Yes. Fun fact: it’s named after a large stone associated with the Celtic god Mannan.
Jebediah, RBG
@Roger Moore:
Why not the Duke of Earl?
Roger Moore
And now Orkney, with a strong “No!”: 32.8-67.2.
Origuy
@Jebediah, RBG: The Duke of Rothesay is one of the titles associated with the Prince of Wales. You know, Liz and Phil’s boy Chuck.
Mnemosyne
@Origuy:
Maybe that’s the answer to Queen Liz’s dilemma of Who Inherits? Scotland always had more liberal marriage and divorce laws than England did.
Violet
@Mnemosyne: Yep. Hence in the British romance novels the young couple racing to Gretna Green to get married. We go right by it on the way up to Scotland and one time I insisted we stop in. A couple was getting married and being pulled around in a horse drawn carriage. Totally cheesy but kind of fun.