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That Was Depressing

By John Cole February 22nd, 2012

There are four very crazy people who want to become and have a shot at becoming President. My favorite part of the debate was when the contraception issue came up, and it somehow shifted to a debate about out of wedlock births. I must fundamentally misunderstand contraception, because I was under the impression it led to fewer unwanted births and out of wedlock children.

There is literally no internal consistency to anything these people say. It makes my mind reel. Pro Democracy uprising in Syria- good. Pro Democracy uprising in Egypt- bad.

I can’t fucking sort these people out everything they say is so crazy.

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  1. 1 Schlemizel Says:

    Sorry to be OT but this is just too good not to share. You can posthumously turn a Mormon gay! go to:
    http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/

    And you can chose a Mormon to be officially turned gay forever or the system will chose one for you. This is payback for their having turn my ancestors into Mormons, it is just as official and just as permanent.




  2. 2 jl Says:

    Cole was trying to make sense of what those lying frauds and vicious maniacs were saying? No use in it, Cole.

    Tunch has batted the sense out poor Cole’s head.

    BTW, I am trying to get a movement going to get Tunch nominated in the quiet back rooms at a brokered GOP convention. Think he might be persuadable? Plenty of tuna in it for him.




  3. 3 Karen Says:

    Bruce Bartlett was just on John Stewart, he was in Reagan’s administration and he admitted that the current GOP would find Reagan too liberal because he raised taxes and capital gains. I hated Reagan with a passion but it seems just like the GOP Christians use the Old Testament G-d but call him Jesus, they’ve created an imaginary Reagan. Bartlett said the current GOP is insane. What more do you need.




  4. 4 amk Says:

    richard adams at guardian

    So 20 years from now we’ll find that all these Republican debates were secretly funded by the Obama campaign, code-named “Give them enough rope”.




  5. 5 Redshift Says:

    There is literally no internal consistency to anything these people say. It makes my mind reel. Pro Democracy uprising in Syria- good. Pro Democracy uprising in Egypt- bad.

    Well, duh—Mubarak was “our” bastard; Assad is “their” bastard. As long as you don’t actually care about “freedom and “democracy,” refuse to think long-term and don’t give a damn about anyone else (or, writ large, your own country), that one actually makes sense in a sociopathic sort of way.




  6. 6 Jim, Foolish Literalist Says:

    To his credit, Tweety has a been hitting all his “pro-life” anti-BC guests if it isn’t true that BC prevents unwanted pregnancies and is thus the surest way of reducing the number of abortions. They don’t like the question.

    And the author of the WaPo’s “Women’s Blog” (“She the People: The World As Women See It) is firmly in the camp of the Bishops and Rush Limbaugh. Just like one guy at Politifact has set himself up as the last arbiter of truthiness, Fred Hiatt and Donnie Graham have decided that nutty Melinda Henneberger is the voice of 51% of the population.,




  7. 7 JordanRules Says:

    @amk: That’s a thing of beauty.




  8. 8 PhoenixRising Says:

    My guess is that Rick and mrs Rick don’t understand contraception, based on his leap from the pill to teen pregnancy. Maybe they didn’t want 7 kids, but thought contraception caused out of wedlock birth…

    I’m so confused. As always, the GOP debate caused my 6th grader to turn to her mother to ask: so is he saying that really happened, or is it just an argument from an example? That was made up?




  9. 9 Anya Says:

    Also, too, John King is the worst moderator, EVER! He’s even worse than the Fox douchebags.




  10. 10 PeakVT Says:

    I can’t fucking sort these people out everything they say is so crazy.

    Start with the assumption you can’t sort it out. Your brain and/or liver will thank you.




  11. 11 jl Says:

    @Anya: Isn’t King the one who started as a VJay for music show? If so, it shows.




  12. 12 General Stuck (Bravo Nope Zero) Says:

    I can’t fucking sort these people out everything they say is so crazy.

    And each represent a faction of the GOP, as it is today.

    Paul – glibertarian fascists

    Santorum – religious fascists

    Romney—oligarchs, sociopath, or whatever he is on any given day

    Gingrich – grifter, fascist, brain disease.

    It is the voters that are crazy, these guys are like holographic manifestations of them. They are not a majority in this country, but they can be when the wingers put up someone with some ability to tie all the crazy together, the emo control to fool enough people into a single resonating lie, like Bush did with ‘compassionate conservative’ . These fuckers are the pol equivalent of meth heads with the thought dynamics and self control of a headless chicken. Running this way and that.

    I am just glad the economy is getting better, bringing out all this hyper wingnuttery looking for another angle of campaigning.




  13. 13 ksmiami Says:

    Seriously – they should just fuck off. I cannot believe that this crew of miscreants is running for pres. It’s just bad performance art or something…




  14. 14 trex Says:

    I can’t fucking sort these people out everything they say is so crazy.

    Yep. That’s because they always start with their conclusion – “if liberals are fer it then we’re agin’ it” – and then they work backwards to construct some semblance of an argument. Imagine building a house but starting with the roof – and along the way having to make sure your neighbor hated every architectural element.

    That is the Sisyphean task of movement conservatism, a foolish hobgoblin being Santorum’s consistently small mind and all.




  15. 15 amk Says:

    @JordanRules: the guy is snarkalicious.




  16. 16 Tara the Antisocial Social Worker Says:

    Contraception causes out-of-wedlock births.

    Also, war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, and pretty much everything is socialism.

    Hope that helps.




  17. 17 pattonbt Says:

    It comes down to this: ask what a liberal wants. Take the inverse and theres your modern day republican stance.

    Rationality, consistency with principles, alignment with fact / science, tolerance / acceptance, fuck that shit. Piss off the liberals and kill the other. That seems to sum it up right now.




  18. 18 Anya Says:

    @jl: I have no idea. But he’s CNN’s very serious moderator. What a maroon. Why doesn’t CNN let Anderson Cooper moderate?




  19. 19 jl Says:

    @General Stuck (Bravo Nope Zero): You kept your wits better than I did. The word ‘turd’ just kept running through my mind.

    Edit: I am shutting down all circuits for the evening. I have been amused by some of this stuff, angered, frightened. Tonight I felt disgusted. The debate was a disgusting display.

    Only slim silver lining is that Rih the Rabid is a fanatic, and he will push his crazy front and center at every chance. And Mitt is proving himself to be a pathological, bald and bad, transparent, liar.

    If Rih is elected Newt suggested anything, up to military intervention, would be justified if a religious fanatic mad man threatened to gain control of nuclear weapons. I guess that might be good news too. Need any straw I can grasp after his miserable display. A low point in our nation, this GOP pool of scum.




  20. 20 Tara the Antisocial Social Worker Says:

    @jl: Tunch has the only qualification needed for Republican donors: he’s a fat cat.




  21. 21 efgoldman Says:

    I never watched one minute of the Klown Kar Konflicts, last year or this. None of the Klowns was ever going to utter a word or phrase which might persuade me to even think of voting for him. I don’t need to get gratuitously angry, or throw shoes through my HD screens, that badly. I figured, correctly, that any superKrazy Klownage would be reported here, or by Benen, or Pierce, or…
    My tolerance for mendacity and fantasy just isn’t high enough.




  22. 22 Joe Max Says:

    John, if you don’t understand them, and you at least had acquaintance with the species, I am utterly lost.

    But really, we all know the answer – it’s sheer political expediency for the sake of stirring up wingnuts and getting them to donate and vote. The pivot to the left has to be all but impossible now, for any of them, even Mittens.

    Our job as agents of the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy is to encourage them to crank up the crazy past eleven. Since peak wingnut is theoretically unattainable, they will eventually say something so utterly beyond the pale that it sets new standards of paleness. Then Obama or his Super-PAC can roll out the 2012 version of LBJ’s “Daisy” ad, and bury the bastards.

    I really want them to nominate Santorum of Gingrich, so we can thrash out this “culture war” once and for all. Go ahead, GOP, run the “true” conservative, so he can get beat him so decisively, and take Congress with him, that even the teabaggers will get the message. Maybe we can get something done for a few years. They can never die, of course, but it’ll knock them back for another generation or so.




  23. 23 Jim, Foolish Literalist Says:

    There are four very crazy people who want to become and have a shot at becoming President.

    as to that, one has a shot, one knows he doesn’t have a chance and doesn’t really care, one has a (long) shot at being remembered to history as the less likable Goldwater, and the fourth will probably organize his own convention at a Waffle House in Smyrna, orating at an empty room the way he used to do in the empty house chamber, while Callista flips through a Tiffany’s catalogue in the car, to the sound of an old Kenny Loggins CD.




  24. 24 Triassic Sands Says:

    @Anya:

    Also, too, John King is the worst moderator, EVER! He’s even worse than the Fox douchebags.

    Maybe he was afraid of having the Newt-tron bomb yell at him.

    Having that big, fat head screeching at you would be pretty terrifying, unless you refused to take it seriously, in which case it would be just plain hilarious. But since the only thing that has worked so far for Newt is yelling at the media, he probably spent all of his pre-debate time practicing how to turn every possible question into an all out attack on the media.

    I didn’t watch the debate, so I don’t know if the “Greatest Debater Ever” had the opening he hoped for.




  25. 25 efgoldman Says:

    @Tara the Antisocial Social Worker:

    Tunch has the only qualification needed for Republican donors: he’s a fat cat.

    Naaah. Tunch never lies; he always tells the truth. Prima facie disqualification.




  26. 26 Brandon Says:

    @Anya: ‘cause he’s teh ghey.




  27. 27 cmorenc Says:

    @John Cole:

    There is literally no internal consistency to anything these people say. It makes my mind reel. Pro Democracy uprising in Syria- good. Pro Democracy uprising in Egypt- bad.

    The reason they’re down on the Egyptian uprising is that: 1) Mubarak protected Christians and 2) reliably upheld peaceful detente with Israel for several decades, making Israel a more securely defensible place. The reason they’re up with the Syrian uprising is that Assad is a murderous thug allied with Iran who’s killing his own people, whose relationship with Israel amounts to a hostile standoff where Syria itself doesn’t pose any immediate military threat to Israel, but which effectively controls Lebanon and intermittently tolerates Hezbollah to attack Israel.

    Never mind that Mubarak was a murderous kleptocratic thug who repressed his own people nearly as harshly as Assad in Syria, minus the every now and then large-scale massacres the Assad family has employed; Mubarak was mostly content with simply beating up his opponents and then imprisoning them, at least until the uprising started. And did we mention that Mubarak was sort of, kind of, a friend of Israel in wingnuts eyes but Assad is not? That’s the real key to the understanding the cognitive dissonance here.




  28. 28 jl Says:

    @Tara the Antisocial Social Worker: As I said in a previous thread, Tunch is an authoritarian white male, and fat cat. He worships a wrathful and implacable deity, the TunchForce.

    He’s probably 35 years old in cat years.

    I hope Cole is lying when he says Tunch is really a sweetie pie, since then, sorry Tunch, if that is the case, you just don’t have the right stuff.

    As I said, I will grasp at any straw of hope right now. I cannot remember being so completely disgusted by any public event in my fricken life. And they broadcast this sewer to whole world. You folks think about it for me. I can’t anymore.

    @efgoldman: Dammit, you’re right. Tunch is up front and forthright (except when messing with Cole, and that does not count). We are doomed. Tunch cannot save us.




  29. 29 freelancer Says:

    Shorter GOP candidates: Show me your genitals (but no one else).




  30. 30 Spaghetti Lee Says:

    They ain’t crazy, but their fans sure are.




  31. 31 Soonergrunt Says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I don’t think it will be Kenny Loggins. After all, he did music for Winnie the Pooh. Stuff about love and sharing and so forth.
    It’s Lee Greenwood and Randy Travis for them.




  32. 32 Mike G Says:

    Gingrinch’s puppetmaster Sheldon Adelson:

    In a talk to an Israeli group in July, 2010, Adelson said he wished he had served in the Israeli Army rather than the U.S. military—and that he hoped his young son would come back to Israel and “be a sniper for the IDF,” a reference to the Israel Defense Forces. “I am not Israeli. The uniform that I wore in the military, unfortunately, was not an Israeli uniform. It was an American uniform, although my wife was in the IDF and one of my daughters was in the IDF … our two little boys, one of whom will be bar mitzvahed tomorrow, hopefully he’ll come back—his hobby is shooting—and he’ll come back and be a sniper for the IDF,” Adelson said at the event.“All we care about is being good Zionists, being good citizens of Israel, because even though I am not Israeli born, Israel is in my heart,” he said toward the end of his talk.

    I’m sure the hyper-patriots of the Tea Party will be all over him for this unpatriotic…ah, who am I kidding.




  33. 33 Comrade Mary Says:

    @jl: No, that was John Roberts, aka the Canadian VJ “JD Roberts”, who worked for CNN for ages but has now apparently dived (not leapt) to Fox.

    JD Roberts: The Early Years




  34. 34 Linnaeus Says:

    Pro Democracy uprising in Syria- good. Pro Democracy uprising in Egypt- bad.

    Read Dictatorships and Double Standards by Jeane Kirkpatrick, and you’ll understand the mindset. Bascially, “our” authoritarian bastards = good, “their” authoritarian bastards = bad.




  35. 35 Kyle Says:

    Never mind that Mubarak was a murderous kleptocratic thug who repressed his own people nearly as harshly as Assad in Syria

    We’re talking about people who considered General Pinochet a best buddy, and who would excuse any level of murder and torture if it came in an ‘anti-communist’ shiny wrapper.




  36. 36 Jebediah Says:

    @Schlemizel:
    Had no one thought to convert Brigham Young? I just did and it didn’t tell me he had already been converted, but when I tried John Smith it told me he had already been done.
    So if I understand correctly, I get to claim credit for converting Brigham Young to gay. Woo-hoo!




  37. 37 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Says:

    @Joe Max:

    I really want them to nominate Santorum of Gingrich, so we can thrash out this “culture war” once and for all. Go ahead, GOP, run the “true” conservative, so he can get beat him so decisively, and take Congress with him, that even the teabaggers will get the message. Maybe we can get something done for a few years. They can never die, of course, but it’ll knock them back for another generation or so.

    I used to think the same way. I was afraid that Mittens was too “electable”. But after this primary campaign (which isn’t half over, remember), there’s no way he can tack back to the middle for the general. But when he’s nominated and defeated, the wingers are going to totally lose their shit, and they’re going to find somebody even crazier than The Frothy One to run in ‘16, and there’s no way they’ll let Rove & Co. palm off another RINO like Romney on them. I’d rather have the complete nutcase run against a rookie Democrat in ‘16—Obama’s got a pretty good chance against whoever they nominate.




  38. 38 Cassidy Says:

    OT, but this just pissed me off. The “oh woe is me” after spending a generation performing stenography is just sickening.




  39. 39 Cassidy Says:

    so we can thrash out this “culture war” once and for all.

    Be careful what you wish for. I don’t think the other side will be happy until they get to use guns in this matter.




  40. 40 ChrisNYC Says:

    That was a banner moment for John King. “Santorum, why is birth control dangerous?” “Well, many children born to single mothers grow up in poverty.” “Ok, moving on.”




  41. 41 Brandon Says:

    @Mike G:

    All we care about is being good Zionists, being good citizens of Israel

    That statement alone should disqualify him from any position in the US Government. And I am not talking national security positions or positions that require clearances either. All federal employees are required to recite an oath of loyalty to the USA and the Constitution upon hiring.




  42. 42 dr. bloor Says:

    @Jebediah: How fabulous! Brigham thanks you for making his underwear even more magical than it was before.




  43. 43 Violet Says:

    @Soonergrunt:
    No, it’s Josh Groban when Newt’s not around. Lee Greenwood and Randy Travis is what she switches to when Newt walks in the room.




  44. 44 Arm The Homeless Says:

    Roomy was playing COD so I decided to kill a few brain cells and participate in the Red State Live-cast. Was surprised at the level of apathy.

    I fear complacency with the left if this shit-show of a primary continues into the Summer.

    Obama: Lucky, Good, or Frozen Aisle Creeper?

    There will be a quiz




  45. 45 Redshift Says:

    @Triassic Sands:

    I didn’t watch the debate, so I don’t know if the “Greatest Debater Ever” had the opening he hoped for.

    Isn’t his real title “Master Debater”?




  46. 46 pseudonymous in nc Says:

    Pro Democracy uprising in Syria- good. Pro Democracy uprising in Egypt- bad.

    Or, pace Icky Ricky: having people who aren’t big on the rights of Christians in charge of Egypt? Bad. Having people who aren’t big on the rights of Christians in charge of Iraq? [crickets]




  47. 47 Jim, Foolish Literalist Says:

    @Violet: and when Callista leaves the room, Newt puts on Ethel Merman’s Greatest Hits




  48. 48 dollared Says:

    Help please! I need a very, very crisp McMegan takedown for a NYT writer that I am talking to.

    I am in email dialog with Andrew Revkin, the NYT climate blogger. He is a wingnut – scary. He said that publishing the Heartland Institute documents “destroyed the credibility” of the climate scientist who published them, Dr. Gleick. He quoted McMegan on journalistic ethics(!), and said that her work on Gleick (you can imagine) is “important.”

    He responded to my comment and agreed to contact Jay Rosen on journalistic ethics. He also expressed surprise at McMegan’s credibility issues. So something factual, please. Is there a thread like the David Brooks takedown collection thread?

    Thanks…...




  49. 49 Just Some Fuckhead Says:

    Unfortunately, while birth control does indeed prevent unwanted pregnancies, it has the insidious side effect of turning women into sluts. Once a woman turns into a slut, no amount of birth control will prevent her from becoming a single mom with a bunch of kids fathered by guys of various racial compositions.

    It’s all right there in the Book of Douthat.




  50. 50 The prophet Nostradumbass Says:

    @Redshift: You just reminded me of a really bad gag a friend of mine in high school pulled on a classmate:

    A: “You’ve been fishing for a long time, yes?”

    B: “yes I have”

    A: “You must be a Master Baiter, then!”

    B: (dumb look on his face)




  51. 51 Violet Says:

    @dollared:
    Have a look at the Pink Himalayan Salt category.




  52. 52 Daniel Thomas MacInnes Says:

    The consistency is this: Keep the peasants and rubes riled or distracted while the ruling oligarchy strips the paint off the walls. It’s a very simple rule.

    It was depressing to hear the crowd cheer and howl the idea of ending unions and public education. Whoops! Now your salary just got slashed and you’re now working for $0.50/hour. Also, your children are illiterate and stupid and will probably have to sell pencils on street corners.

    Sigh…not the smartest species we have here.




  53. 53 Bnut Says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: Dwight Schrute: I’m a decent baiter. My cousin Mose, that’s a master baiter.




  54. 54 SFAW Says:

    Jebediah –
    I think it was Joseph Smith, not John.

    Joseph may have already been gayified by some enterprising soul, but you should check anyway. (I would, but I’m afraid my Magic Underalls might ‘splode.)




  55. 55 Marcellus Shale, Public Dick Says:

    sullivan via k-drum

    I’m in a state of profound indecision about this. Should I root for Santorum, for exactly this reason? Because he’ll really and truly represent the insanity the Republican Party has descended to, and provide us with a Goldwater moment that might shock them back into sensibility?

    umm, not to be to technical here, but did the ass-whupping of goldwater in 1964 really lead the gop back to sensible cloth coats? i mean sure, if nixon was sensible in the sort term, even if only in relation to goldwater, i suppose a superficial point.

    everything sullivan doesn’t like about the modern gop, which is as often noted, much less than most of us, had its roots in the goldwater shithammering. even if the gop gets shocked into reinvention, the same assholes will still be attaching themselves to whatever emerges, or worse corrupting further, any attempt to supply a reality based alternative.




  56. 56 thalarctos Says:

    @Jebediah: Nice one, Jebediah.

    I was sure George Romney would have been taken already, but then I got credit for him.

    Somehow, I doubt that that would bother him nearly as much as it would his epigone.




  57. 57 Suffern ACE Says:

    @Cassidy: OK, but she actually is in the reporter camp, so that is fair. And there are lots of places where being a reporter is dangerous. Now, if Howard Kurtz or Frank Bruni or Maureen Dowd or Richard Cohen or David Brooks write that, I get pissed. Or any number of career commentarians who like to pretend a mantle from the likes of Murrow covers them. It doesn’t. They may work in Media but come from someplace outside of journalism.




  58. 58 dead existentialist Says:

    @Arm The Homeless: Thanks for that. I’ve subscribed to your newsletter and look forward to reading your lips.
    Signed,
    George H.W. Bush




  59. 59 Chris Says:

    @Marcellus Shale, Public Dick:

    umm, not to be to technical here, but did the ass-whupping of goldwater in 1964 really lead the gop back to sensible cloth coats?

    It led the Republican Party to revert to Keynesianism for a decade at least. Nixon and Ford might’ve been crooks, thugs and bastards but they did accept the New Deal legacy and other things that would be anathema to the crazies who took over after 1980.

    Might not be “sensible cloth coats” per se, but hey, the Republican Party’s had a major complement of freaks and psychos pretty much since the end of Reconstruction. Even Eisenhower rode to power in 1952 partly by leaning on the Red Scare.




  60. 60 4jkb4ia Says:

    Pro Democracy uprising in Syria—good. Pro Democracy uprising in Egypt—bad.

    See, let 4jkb4ia’s husband explain it all for you. Pro Democracy uprising in Syria is good because Assad is an ally of Iran and the Jews in Syria were nothing short of oppressed until they were all gotten out. Pro Democracy uprising in Egypt is bad because Mubarak used to tolerate Israel and [you can’t trust anyone with Muslim in the name of the party to keep the peace treaty with Israel /SNARK /Ayaan Hirsi Ali] . And there are the International Republican Institute members going to a show trial where they will be accused of supporting the Jewish lobby, also too.

    I cannot feel sorry I missed this debate. It really looks as though nothing happened even in horse race terms.

    (We really have been watching what is going on in Syria in a state of being absolutely appalled. Nothing can be done, and it’s evil—both torture and murder, without compunction.)
    .




  61. 61 Spaghetti Lee Says:

    @dollared:

    I’d say anything Tom Levenson has written about her. You could also talk to Susan of Texas, I think she spends a lot of time on the McArdle beat.




  62. 62 4jkb4ia Says:

    @cmorenc:

    Damn, read the thread first. Yes.




  63. 63 dollared Says:

    @Violet: Silly me, I was looking up under the “M’s” for McMegan. Thanks.




  64. 64 Jim, Foolish Literalist Says:



  65. 65 Craig J Says:

    My favorite part was Newt saying that we should listen to the military commanders’ opinions on whether women should serve in combat roles, and then on the very next question he openly mocked the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs’ opinion on Iran and nuclear weapons.




  66. 66 4jkb4ia Says:

    Taegan Goddard: “It is as though [Santorum] decided in the middle of the debate to run for vice president instead”. For Taegan Goddard, that’s brutal.




  67. 67 4jkb4ia Says:

    These debates seem to have run out of gas given the amount of time that was devoted to the subject of earmarks, and Paul was exactly right.

    The NYT livebloggers were picking up that Santorum had to admit that he cast votes that were against his principles, and got booed. Suddenly even Rick Santorum isn’t true conservative enough, and Ron Paul is very satisfied that he called him fake.




  68. 68 wilfred Says:

    “I can’t fucking sort these people out everything they say is so crazy.”

    Ron Paul on the upcoming war with Iran:

    KING: Congressman Paul, all three of your rivals here make a passionate case that — all three of them make a passionate case that this is a vital U.S. national security interest. But you disagree.

    PAUL: I disagree because we don’t know if they have a weapon. As a matter of fact, there’s no evidence that they have it. There is no evidence. Israel claims they do not have it and our government doesn’t. I don’t want them to get a weapon. But I think what we’re doing is encouraging them to have a weapon because they feel threatened. If you look at a map of — if you look at a map of Iran, we have 45 bases around their country, plus our submarines.

    The Iranians can’t possibly attack anybody. And we’re worrying about the possibility of one nuclear weapon. Now, just think about the Cold War. The Soviets had 30,000 of them. And we talked to them. The Soviets killed 100 million people and the Chinese, and we worked our way out of it.

    And if you want to worry about nuclear weapons, worry about the nuclear weapons that were left over from the Soviet Union. They’re still floating around. They don’t have them all detailed. So we’re ready to go to war. I say going to war rapidly like this is risky and it’s reckless.

    Now, if they are so determined to go to war, the only thing I plead with you for, if this is the case, is do it properly. Ask the people and ask the Congress for a declaration of war. This is war and people are going to die. And you have got to get a declaration of war.

    Goddamned crazy-ass motherfucker.




  69. 69 The prophet Nostradumbass Says:

    @wilfred: One of those rare cases where Ron Paul has a grip on reality.




  70. 70 Suffern ACE Says:

    @4jkb4ia: The race between Romney and Santorum will now come down a decision between the one who sincerely has no principles against the one who deviously has no principles.




  71. 71 TenguPhule Says:

    I can’t fucking sort these people out everything they say is so crazy.

    Kill them all and make it someone else’s problem.




  72. 72 Brain Hertz Says:

    I must fundamentally misunderstand contraception, because I was under the impression it led to fewer unwanted births and out of wedlock children.

    Oh, FFS, John. This is just logic 101. Look, it goes like this:

    1. Outofwedlockbirths™ are the result of unauthorized sexytime (by definition, obviously).

    2. Contraceptives encourage unauthorized sexytime (cf: church, Catholic).

    3. Therefore, obviously, less contraception equals less unauthorized sexytime.

    4. Therefore, less contraception equals less outofwedlockbirths™.

    Quod Erat Motherfucking Demonstrandum.

    It’s really pretty simple when you think about it…




  73. 73 Egg Berry Says:

    I propose that we libtards need to up our game, get on with moar of the unauthorized sexytime in order to offset the crazy! Who’s with me?




  74. 74 SiubhanDuinne Says:

    @jl:

    I believe you’re thinking of John Roberts, now with Fox but previously with CNN (and, even earlier, CBS). He’s actually pretty good—much better than John King. Roberts’ early career included several years as a veejay on Much Music, the Canadian equivalent of MTV.




  75. 75 SiubhanDuinne Says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Aaaaaaand I see Comrade Mary got there six hours ago. I’ll try to catch up.




  76. 76 Samara Morgan Says:

    Pro Democracy uprising in Syria- good. Pro Democracy uprising in Egypt- bad.

    Poor conservitards. the same people that brought you the 72% “islamist” parliament in Egypt are behind the Syrian uprising—the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria.
    they are already pogroming christians.

    URGENT PLEA from SYRIAN CHRISTIANS

    Pastor Serop Megerditchian says—
    “To God’s people everywhere:
    The armed Islamist Opposition in Syria have murdered more than 200 Christians in the city of Homs, including entire families with young children. These Islamic gangs also kidnapped Christians demanding high ransoms. In two cases, after the ransoms were paid, the men’s bodies were found.
    Christians are being forced to flee the city to the safety of government controlled areas. Muslim rebel fighters and their families are taking over their homes. We need your prayers and we need them urgently.”




  77. 77 Samara Morgan Says:

    There is a franchise of the MB behind every Arab Spring uprising, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Jordan, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria. They just keep a low profile so as not to enrage AmerIsrael and bring the “Freedom Agenda” down on themselves like what happened in Iraq.
    Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine.

    And Syria is different in another way.
    Syria has a border with Israel.




  78. 78 Southern Beale Says:

    Andy Borowitz tweeted, “Now that we all agree contraception is a bad idea, let’s take a harder look at electricity and soap.”

    That pretty much sums up the GOP.




  79. 79 Samara Morgan Says:

    @Southern Beale: what i dont understand is that the GOP’s anti-contraception jihaad isnt going to make more little conservitards to stave off the hammergun of the demographic timer—its going to create more more poor and minority voters.
    rich white women will always have access to contraception and abortion.
    poor darkskinned women, not so much.




  80. 80 Samara Morgan Says:

    @Samara Morgan: improved.

    They just keep a low profile so as not to enrage AmerIsrael and bring the “Freedom Agenda” down on themselves like a swarm of MQ-9 Reaper drones on an Afghan wedding party.

    ;)




  81. 81 Samara Morgan Says:

    Down the memory hole.....except…..the interwebz is FOREVAH.




  82. 82 Samara Morgan Says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: as Levenson is to McMegan, so am i to EDK.
    the only difference between them is that McMegan doesnt have a FP slot at BJ, so Levenson has to go to the Atlantic to read her.
    its one-to-one correspondence!




  83. 83 Quincy Says:

    Did anyone else catch Romney during the debate say something along the lines of “Obama is attacking religion more than the federal government ever has before”? I really wish John King had asked him if he’d ever heard of either James Buchanan or the Mormon church.




  84. 84 Omnes Omnibus Says:

    @Samara Morgan:

    And Syria is different in another way.
    Syria has a border with Israel.

    So does Egypt.




  85. 85 arguingwithsignposts Says:



  86. 86 SiubhanDuinne Says:

    @Samara Morgan:

    as Levenson is to McMegan, so am i to EDK.

    Totally gratuitous and, unsurprisingly, egocentric. The original question was about McMegan, not EDK. You are the only one talking about EDK.




  87. 87 arguingwithsignposts Says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    as Levenson is to McMegan, so am i to EDK.

    Except for the part about coherence, civility, logic, reason and images of art. Um, yeah, it’s a one to something correspondence.




  88. 88 J.W. Hamner Says:

    Remember when we thought the GOP would have to moderate on social issues of risk losing an entire generation of voters and become the old-racist-homophobe party? Good times.




  89. 89 SiubhanDuinne Says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Yeah, that too. I didn’t like to pile on this early in the day.

    Are you back in Sweet Home Athens or still traveling?




  90. 90 arguingwithsignposts Says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: That’s Raven who’s in Athens. I’m not travelling this week. :)




  91. 91 SiubhanDuinne Says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Oh fruity, I do need my coffee! Duuuh.

    But as long as I have your attention, how is the lovely Lady Smudge? Any chance of a photo?




  92. 92 arguingwithsignposts Says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: She’s fine, if ornery as ever. I’ll have to work on getting her to stay still for one. Look for it tomorrow morning. cheers.




  93. 93 SiubhanDuinne Says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Oh great, now I can’t edit. FYWP and FYASC. Auto Spell Correct took my nice word “crikey” and for its own nefarious reasons turned it into “fruity.” Ask me not why.




  94. 94 SiubhanDuinne Says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Thanks, I will. She’s a beauty.




  95. 95 Svensker Says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    You are the only one talking about EDK.

    Yes but, if my count is correct, that means a conversation between at least five. Tokoloko’s head is very full!




  96. 96 satby Says:

    Proof that not only does God not “shed his grace” on us, but that He’s kinda hating US right now. If he loved us a comet would have taken out the entire auditorium.




  97. 97 Tone In DC Says:

    @satby:

    Or better yet, an asteroid.

    Santorum and Gingrich must be mainling Haterade these days. The contempt they have for pretty much 95% of this country is disgusting.




  98. 98 Tractarian Says:

    There are four very crazy people who want to become and have a shot at becoming President.

    With all due respect, John, I really don’t think Mitt Romney is “very crazy.”

    A pathological liar, yes. Very crazy, no.




  99. 99 Samara Morgan Says:

    @arguingwithsignposts: i can use art if you liek. i have used literature pretty effectively this week (Tolkien, Burroughs).
    EDK believes in leg aspirin too and the rhythm method. He is just too shy to say it here.
    He also thinks its “understandable” that republicans think fetii are slaves.




  100. 100 Samara Morgan Says:

    @arguingwithsignposts: i prefer the Rembrandt.
    Is that EDK and his wingman the Tarnsman of Gor doin’ the peeping?
    I know, I know…...Poulos and EDK are young conservative intellectuals you say….but there are no young conservative intellectuals.
    They are all relly old people (McMegan too) in young person suits so crude you can see the Scooby-doo monster zipper a mile off.




  101. 101 Samara Morgan Says:

    @Tractarian: none of them have a shot at being president either.




  102. 102 pseudonymous in nc Says:

    The obvious point re Rivkin/Blenderella is that McAddled has skin in the game—she married into the Koch crime family.




  103. 103 Samara Morgan Says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    So does Egypt.

    Which is why we couldn’t go there, lol. That is kind of dim for you, Omnes.
    Did you forget to charge your auxillary brain last night?
    If the US goes into Israel, or participates in a no-fly, or in any sort of public interdiction, Bashar just starts lobbing kassems over his border to draw Israel into the fighting.




  104. 104 Samara Morgan Says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: here is McMegan’s engagement picture, purged long ago from the TAS archives where i saw it when the Engagement happened.
    Note the tiara.

    i lurve that the internetz is forevah.




  105. 105 Amir Khalid Says:

    @Samara Morgan:

    i have used literature pretty effectively this week (Tolkien, Burroughs).

    You should give the self-congratulation a rest.




  106. 106 Samara Morgan Says:

    @Amir Khalid: you dont like Rembrandt?
    philistine.
    ;)
    and you probably didnt get my Scooby-doo tag either, malay man.




  107. 107 Samara Morgan Says:

    @Samara Morgan: If the US goes into Syria, or participates in a no-fly, or in any sort of public interdiction, Bashar just starts lobbing kassems over his border to draw Israel into the fighting.
    fixt.

    alsotoo, Obama and Panetta know very well the outcome will be the same as Egypt—the MB will take over Syria via democracy, and have another border on Israel.
    Do y’all know the position of the Muslim Brotherhood vis a vis Israel?




  108. 108 Samara Morgan Says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: indeed, and why is that?
    because you gormless slow-witted cudlips are all signing up for the new season of the EDK Fake-conversion Reality Show?




  109. 109 Billy Beane Says:

    And as long as there are idiot voters like you who voted for Bush twice Cole, these idiots you speak of in a party you pretend to no longer support will continue to survive and thrive.

    So once again, just like every time you bring this up and ask why, all I have to say is look in the mirror.




  110. 110 Some Loser Says:

    Are there two Samara Morgans?




  111. 111 satby Says:

    @Some Loser: Yes, and they both live in one head, along with a few other people.




  112. 112 thalarctos Says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Except for the part about coherence, civility, logic, reason and images of art. Um, yeah, it’s a one to something correspondence.

    With her and EDK, it’s more onto than one to one.




  113. 113 THE Says:

    @Samara Morgan:

    the MB will take over Syria via democracy, and have another border on Israel.

    A post-revolution Syria is going to have a lot more to worry about than bothering Israel. Syria’s economic situation was dire before the uprising. It was a major factor precipitating the uprising. The drought, declining oil production, the demographic crisis. Rising oil and food prices for the poor.

    Whoever inherits that mess is going to have to deal with it. It will be a lot worse after the revolution. Anybody with money will have fled the country if they have any sense—Especially if they were relying on the old regime for protection.




  114. 114 THE Says:

    And this btw is the reason why I am utterly opposed to any Western intervention in Syria.

    There is nothing we can do. The West will have its hands full just saving Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain.

    The failed states of MENA are simply outside our bailiwick. The West has to salvage a system where even our own position is rapidly unraveling at the edges (of the EU).

    A generation from now, when the Western system is working again, maybe we will have resources to spare for the Middle East. But by then, the current oil-based world will be ancient history.




  115. 115 Samara Morgan Says:

    @THE: spock, still ignoring human nature.
    use the a-priori, dude.
    How did the naziis get control in Germany again?




  116. 116 Samara Morgan Says:

    @thalarctos: look polarbear dude.
    are you related to Mama Grizzly?
    ;)
    im humble, im modest. i cant get Kain kicked off the FP here, i have tried.
    but i can keep Sully from linking him by showing how stupid he is.
    ;)




  117. 117 THE Says:

    How did the naziis get control in Germany again?

    I don’t understand the relevance. The Nazis won the election and emerged as the largest Party in the Reichstag. President Hindenberg was forced to accept their choice of Chancellor, following a deal with Papen and the Conservatives. No one else had the numbers to deliver a functioning government. The next-largest party, the Communists, couldn’t get the numbers.