GOP Jacksonville Debate Thread
(John Deering via GoComics.com)
Not a good likeness of Romney, but Wolf ‘Windsac’ Blitzer will be moderating, so the Swollen Amphibian should be back on form.
CNN livestream here.
Richard Adams’ Guardian liveblog here.
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“A state that knows ALL ABOUT election cliffhangers”—really, Wolf? I don’t know that the sane people in Florida want to be reminded about hanging chads and butterfly ballots. Oh, wait—these are Republicans. As you were.
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From the Guardian:
7.57pm: In an effort to win support from the Latino community, Newt Gingrich will tonight give half of his replies in Latin.
And in a bid to win support for his plan to build a huge moon colony, Newt Gingrich will give the other half of his replies in Klingon.
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At Wolf’s frantic urging, Newt calls Willard “The most anti-immigrant person on this stage.” Willard retreats behind Marco Rubio—that’s RUBIO, folks, credit-to-his-race Marco!—who just went to the top of the ‘who will be Romney’s VP pick” sweeps.
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Santorum wants to drone-bomb Cuba like it was Libya, and then go back to the great American tradition of invading Latin American and Southern American to “help” them understand “the god-given joys of democracy.” Not going over as well with the audience in the hall as he’d hoped, but I’m sure it will play well with Talibangelicals tomorrow.
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Wolf: “Next up—the debate questions go to SPACE!—the FINAL FRONTIER!” Oh, I think the candidates have been orbiting Uranus for at least the past 20 minutes, Blitzer.
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Feels to me like Blitzer’s been in the tank for Willard all evening (probably under orders from his paymasters). He just went for “Dr. Paul, you would be the oldest president—will you release your medical records?” Yeaaah, Wolf’s got an agenda.
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Willard says a Moon colony would be too expensive. Santorum and Paul both say, as far as I can tell, that they’d rather spend that money on a space-based military, because otherwise the Chinese will bomb us from space. Newt assures Wolf, and us, that if we would only Get Out of the Way of Private Enterprise, Charles Lindbergh would already have flown from Paris to the Moon. And also, we wouldn’t need to give NASA any extra money, we could just “take away the waste” from “the NASA office in Washington”. In other words, we’ve moved away from science fiction and into olde-tyme fantasy.
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Willard: “Romney-Obama-care is approved of by Massachusans, by about three to one [more like four or five to one, IIRC], and therefore, on the day I’m inaugurated I will kill Obama-care for the rest of you suckers.” Well, he wasn’t getting many votes from his Commonwealth ex-neighbors, anyway…
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Not sure I can stand another 40 minutes of this. “Next up—explain why your wive would be the best First Lady”. Newt no doubt will assure us, The American People, that if Callista flags under the strain he’ll gladly bring in a mid-term replacement.
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Ron Paul: My wife has put up with me for 55 years. Mitt: My wife has contended with MS, breast cancer, and many years of instructing young sluts to marry their baby-daddies or else give up their whelps to more fortunate couples, while the little squirmers are still newborn & most desirable. Newt: Heh, heh, I’d “co-president” with any of those other three women, ifyouknowwhatImeanandIthinkyoudo. Oh, and Callista has a great embouchure. Santorum: Did you know we have a special-needs kid, and a dead kid as well? This proves my wife is a More God-Blessed Woman than anyone. (Also, we beat raised our kids right, which is me signalling at my fellow Talibangelicals.) Santorum has given up on the Oval Office, but he’s open to the second spot on anybody’s ticket, and if all else fails, it’s back on the God Grifter circuit!
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Whooo, boy, CNN found a self-proclaimed Palestinian-American to ask Newt about his “invented people” crack. Willard just spent five minutes frantically insisting that Isreal is the fifty-first state, and anyone who doesn’t think so is un-American. Newt just re-iterates that “historically” Palestinians don’t exist, so who cares about hurting their invented feelings? Ugh.
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Newt just claimed that ‘a large part of the reason I’m running” is that ‘there’s a war, by the elites, on Christianity.’ Well, we know the Jacksonville hall is thunderbolt-proof, at least. And Newt still couldn’t out-Gawwwd-bother Santimonious, I mean Sanctorum—what a whiny little turd that man is, and I say that as a person of faith: Ricky apparently thinks of his God as an omnipowerful Big Brother who’s gonna lay the hurt on anybody who crosses Little Ricky.
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Why should YOU be the next president? RonPaul: Freedom, and money. Willard: Private enterprise is supreme, and none of these other mooks have ever been a CEO. Newt: Fundamentally, historically, all authorities agree that St. Reagan wants me in the Oval Office. Ricky: I’m God-chosen, and those others are no better than atheists.
No – it isn’t a good likeness – that should be a vulture looking at the pig …
January 26th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Let’s get ready to rumble!
January 26th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Somehow, the phrase “There will be blood” comes to mind.
I’m beginning to understand the appeal that gladiatorial games had for the Romans…
January 26th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
I knew I felt dirtier for a reason when I woke up this morning. Our fundies must be soaking this slop up.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Ack
January 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
So, I wonder whether Newt will ask the Romneytronic 3000 about those off-shore bank accounts in Luxembourg and Bermuda that he just forgot to put on his disclosure forms.
I mean, who among us hasn’t occasionally forgotten about a few million bucks worth of our offshore cash holdings?
Edit: Oh yes, I forgot. According to the Romeny campaign, the discrepancies are ” a few trivial inadvertent issues.” Yeesh.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Anderson the moderator?
January 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Regardless of whatever the Villagers will say about tonight’s “debate”, a loss in the Florida GOP primary would be an unacceptable setback for the Romneybot. Recall the conventional wisdom about SC: every winner since 1980 has gone on to claim the Republican nomination.
The money boys will be going after Newt with everything in their arsenal after tonight. Sadly, can’t see him hanging in there for several more weeks.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Fuck, Wolf.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
I wish they would spice these debates up a bit and ask some meaty questions.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Just like a football pre-game!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
I will attempt to exercise discipline and just check into the liveblogs from time to time. I found last time that the debates are really funny when followed that way.
The rote attacks on muslin commies and tributes to Reagan sound like a satire of sub par Henny Youngman one liners. And the lies and nonsense become absurdist black humor.
But my will is weak. I have the link to the livestream at the ready in case things get really wacky.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
@cathyx: I think they should go with actual red meat. Toss a few raw steaks into the circle; I’m pretty sure both Newt and Ron Paul would dig right in.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Steven Tyler isn’t singing the national anthem. I’m disappointed.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Fortunately, I’m not planning to go to UNF. Just hosting this turns me off.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Newt isn’t singing? Why does he hate America?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Clinton announced that she will leave the SOS post when a new person is appointed if Obama wins a second term.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
@Cassidy: Where ya gonna go?
You seen this blog?
http://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/
January 26th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
After two or three audience reaction shots, I’ve yet to see any non-white people. Somehow, not surprised.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Wolf is moderating.
That means we’re going to get lots of questions where he repeats himself and shouts—AND SHOUTS!—part of the repeated phrase.
What an idiot.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Ron Paul knows he’s not going to get another chance to speak.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Mitt and Rick go with the family values intro. Strangely, Newt does not.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
@Belafon (formerly anonevent): I saw that but I thought that she already said that months ago.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
@Brian R.: We will be watching that closely.
Edit: did I get his catcphrase right. Or is it ‘we will be following that closely’?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
@Baud:
He’s from MA. The GOBP would rather have Tokyo Rose.
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
Really too bad. All in all, I think she’s been the best one since Marshall.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
And now for another edition of 120 Minutes Hate.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
@dmsilev: He fears spontaneous combustion?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Newt’s SuperPAC has a new anti-Romney ad out called “Blood Money” about a Bain company that had a wee little problem with Medicare fraud. The fun begins.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
@WereBear (itouch): Well, they’re inside right now, so probably pretty safe from lightning bolts.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
@dmsilev: He has to go out sometime.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Again?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Newt’s more like Carrie after the prom. I really think he’s bipolar and we’re seeing his manic phase.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
OT, but well damn!
Obama Bumps Al Green’s ‘Let’s Stay Together’ Sales by 490%
January 26th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
I’ve just realized how creepy the term “self-deportation” sounds.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Newt Gingrich: Protector of Grandmothers Hiding in Churches
January 26th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Newt: “We have to be realistic in our indignation”
In other news, Irony tragically committed suicide.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
@Judas Escargot:
The nuns in parochial school told me that self-deportation would make me go blind.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
MITTENS MAD! MITTENS SMASH
January 26th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Mitt makes Newt mad. You won’t like Newt when he’s mad.
(or any other time)
January 26th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Hey, kids, everyone remember when Obama ran attack ads against HRC saying she was nuts, unbalanced, unstable, and maybe insane? And HRC said Obama was so normal, maybe because of his weird muslin religion, that he was ‘too perfect’, and therefore ‘weird’? And emphasized that her serial cheating and multiple husbands showed she was a better person?
Good times, weren’t they.
See, the very valuable Dem debates from 2008 provided a pattern that the GOP is copied all too well. Good news for the GOP.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
@Raven: How ya feeling after the dental adventure?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Wow, the long crooked knives are out.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Newt: I want to keep grandmothers here to harvest our food.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
@dmsilev:
Yeah, I’ve got a few million bucks in offshore cash I’d forgotten about until Mitt’s problems reminded me, problem is the part I’ve forgotten is where in the hell it is located. That’s a potential problem with secret offshore bank accounts, just like buried treasure on an island you have to remember how the hell to find the island you hid it on. Mitt ought to thank Newt tonight for the prompt to remember about his, or he might have lost it.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Yeah, Raven.
Howz the ‘Bud’ therapy?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
@Brian R.: Mitt displays an emotion? Lol whut?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
@Baud: So now grandma and grandpa government loafers have no work ethic?
You know, a lot of them might be getting food stamps.
Damn, I may have to click the fatal live link. Then I will be doomed.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Santorum: Can I speak? I hate too!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Mitt: “Don’t ask me about my ads. Do you think I know anything about those. I have people to take care of such things.”
January 26th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
@cmorenc:
I know a Nigerian prince who’d be happy to help you track down the wayward cash.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
This thing is on the teevee box? Why?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
@WereBear (itouch):
He looked confused himself.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
@Raven: I’m looking at going to the police academy here in Jax. Two schools offer it. I’m also putting in an app with the Highway Patrol. My wife has a pretty good job here with a growing company and she’s recently started saying that maybe me getting something federal and us moving again isn’t such a good idea. So we’ll see.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
I think Newt got a little hard when Ron talked about “forcing ourselves on others.”
January 26th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
@Brian R.:
Be Your Own La Migra.
Aaand, it’s the Anakin versus Obi-Wan cage match. Whiny self-absorbed impulsive nitwit versus smug holier-than-thou lifeless stiff. We need Mr. Plinkett to review the shit out of these guys. That would be the nail in the coffin.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
@Cat Lady: My NAMI oath requires me to remind you that the appropriate terminology is that
Newt has bipolar
as opposed to
Newt is bipolar
I actually suspect that it’s combined with a personality disorder, as even untreated bipolar disorder, which can result in some spectacular irritability during manic phases, does not generally present as the bone deep nastiness of Newt. It’s also usually a bit more disorganized, but I’m just being pedantic, to no one’s surprise. He’s a douchebucket aside and apart from any untreated brain disorder.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
@Cassidy:
I drive a silver Saab with WI plates. If you could just look the other way, I would appreciate it.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
@Baud:
Next debate: I want to harvest our grandmothers for food.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
What the hell is Rick Santorum talking about?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
oooh oooh. sanitarium plays the Obama lurves his latin american commie card
January 26th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
So Mitt’s dad was born in Mexico and his mum is from Wales, does that make him the Welshman from Mexico who came here to stay?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Ron Paul wouldn’t impose American values on Central American countries. He would let the states do it.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
@Comrade Mary: I LOL’d.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
@Comrade Mary: Soylent Green Is Granny!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
@Baud:
Well, he is from Texas…
January 26th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
If anyone is playing a drinking game, does “grandmothers and grandfathers” count as one drink or two?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
@Baud: That was actually the original meaning of the word “filibuster”. The career of William Walker, the “Grey-Eyed Man of Destiny” is instructive.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Columbia. Rick lurves him some Los Pepes for peace
January 26th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
@Comrade Mary: Grandmothers as food ok, fetuses not ok in OK.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Unpossible. Wolf actually fact-checked Romney.
How?? Why? Is this the “journalism” thing I heard about as a child?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
@Calouste: Well in the state of GA he would be presenting his birth certificate to a judge if he wanted to be on the ballot… Ah nevermind..iokiyr
January 26th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
How pathetic does Romney have to be in order to get pantsed by Wolf Blitzer (re the ad that he claimed he hadn’t seen but of course had “I’m Mitt Romney and I approved this message” at the end)
January 26th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): No problem, thanks.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Oh, IT’S ON!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
How would you phase out FM and Frediemac?
Mitt=sum bullshit
Gingko-Mo bullshit.cz Romney is mo bullshit
January 26th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Newt did some research and he discovered that Newt is totally innocent! It said “no lobbying,” so therefore the $1.6 million was clearly not for lobbying! ZING!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Ouch. Newt: “Governor Romney should disclose how much money he’s made off the backs of foreclosed homes”
January 26th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
My wife just said “These two are going at it like they’re in the school yard. ... But a really rich prep school.”
January 26th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
I only know anything about manic depression from the movies, so thanks for the info – he’s an irredeemable gaping douchebucket, and there ain’t no cure for that.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Romney has game tonight. Newt has to pick it up. Hopefully, heh heh heh, he does.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Fannie and Freddie mac. Kind of chystalizes wingnut hate for the poor. they never mention BoA, funny that
January 26th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Newt and Mitt have clearly both invested in Twiddle Dum and Twiddle Dee.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
@Cat Lady: Read Darkness Visible by Styron.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
I want to see “The Ron Paul Story” with Paul Rudd as Young Ron Paul.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
NBC/WSJ says Mitt is DOOMED!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Blitzer is an idiot.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: It’s the Big MO from the crowd. They big money boys stacked the deck.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
@General Stuck:
It’s teh balance between private and public sectors (yin-yang)
January 26th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Romney is doing a better job tonight. Newt’s jabs are kind of weak.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Newt is way too soft. Why? He should have called Romney a liar to his face after Mitt got busted for lying about that ad.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
Finally, a position with bipartisan appeal.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
@dmsilev:
Also the inspiration for an Ed Harris movie.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Commercial break. Coming up, Newts In SPAAAACCCEEEE
!!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
@scav: Bravo bravo!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Rick Santorum @ Debate:
B-b-but, I thought Mitt said he was unemployed.
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January 26th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@General Stuck:
Yep, it’s amazing. The myth that Freddie and Fannie caused the housing crisis just will not die with these idiots.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Oh goodie, we are gonna get the skinny on Newt’s moon unit plans. We NM’s always like that kind of talk
January 26th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@Raven:
I read Sophie’s Choice, does that count?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Wow, Santorum has the golden knee pads on tonight. He’s personally sucked off Newt twice and given Romney a reach-around.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: Poor Ron Paul, always getting left out.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Dear Republicans:
I realize you aren’t listening to me, but as long as you aren’t listening anyway, can you also not listen to Rick Santorum’s desperate pandering for the VP slot? Thanks muchly.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Are we sure Newt isn’t tripolar? He seems to like trying things in threes.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
@Cat Lady: I think it gives a glimpse but DV is specifically about depression. (his own)
January 26th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
@Brian R.:
It’s the narrative. Always the narrative. The culprit is always the poor. They take your stuff.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I’m only tuning into the debate right now. How’s it going? Sully’s live blog says it’s all going well for Mitt, that he’s destroying Newt. Is that how it’s going?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Hang tough wolfy. Now, jam on you sissy mothefuckers.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Cool, Newt lays down suppressing fire on the media.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Newt Smash!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
What a weird exchange between Wolf, Newt and Mitt.
Starting with those three’s psycho first names.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Mitt Romney stands up for Wolf Blitzer, thus allowing Newt to attack him on taxes.
Good move, Willard.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
@Violet: Mitt’s doing well. I think he has his people in the audience tonight.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Juan Epstein (Robert Hegyes) RIP!
Here hs is at a real debate.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
@Violet: I don’t know about destroy but I think the money boys have stacked the crowd and payed off Ricky to help Mittens.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Romney: “I’m proud of the taxes I pay”
Um, yeah, right.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Mitt squeals like a little piggy
January 26th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
I clicked the livestream link. You people’s fault.
Just in time for Mitt to lie about his tax rate.
Edit: see that the ‘jerry springer’ rules in force for audience. That makes it more fun.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
What good does a truce do for Gingrich?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Christ, this is like the Passive Aggressive Olympics.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
@Baud: $$$$$$$
January 26th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
When Newt smiles, the humor waxes mean.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I can’t believe you’re watching this when Modern Marvels – Moss and Mold is on History International.
So, social security and medicare vouchers come up in this one? Or does no one mention that in polite company any longer.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
@dmsilev:
“I just kept them a secret for so long because I didn’t want to brag!”
January 26th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
@Suffern ACE: Not a peep.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
@Baud: @Raven: Thanks. It does sound like Mitt’s got his boys in the audience.
When I first turned on the TV the volume wasn’t turned up and from Mitt’s body language he looked on the defensive. Interesting.
Santorum seems to be running for Mitt’s VP. What a hilarious ticket that would be.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Santorum: Rich people are our new lords, serfs.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: He may be an idiot but the difference between him and John King is palpable tonight. The moderator has a job and has to assert himself. When Newt challenged Wolf he challenged him right back, and that was that. John King put his tail between his legs and Newt pounced.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Ron Paul, the Stealth fascist, worries me.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Rick Santorum Wants You to Deploy Your Wealth. For America.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Paul: There are laws against age discrimination . . . which, of course, I would get rid of.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
@Benjamin Franklin: He ain’t goin nowhere.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
NASA!!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
M-A-R-S. Mars, bitches!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Oh, NOW we want science.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Santorum doesn’t want to release his medical records? He didn’t answer.
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January 26th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
@Benjamin Franklin: Why? He will never be elected or appointed to a position higher than the one he now holds. He has not influence on policy and has sponsored no legislation of note. He has fanboys, but that is about it.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
I’m bummed Newt isn’t doing well. Booo…. Romney is such a boring jerk.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
@Brian R.: If the government could create jobs, they would by sending folks to Mars but they can’t create jobs so there’s that.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
The space question!
Mitt: Newt wants to spend too much money.
Newt: Don’t worry, the private sector will do it. And don’t mind the advertising plastered across the face of the Moon.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Oh shit, Newt’s talking science fiction/fantasy.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Mitt wants to build houses here on earth. But think of the view on the Moon. And mining green cheese. Profit
January 26th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
CYRANO:
I could not choose, falling so swiftly,
my point of arrival – know not where I might be!
Is it on a moon or on a planet, may be,
that the weight of my backside has landed me?
January 26th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Apparently, Newt hasn’t heard of Neil Armstrong.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
@JGabriel: Probably a recognition that nobody actually cares about Santorum.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
@Corbin Dallas Multipass: I agree and he’s doing better as it goes on.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m a Democrat so when I star-gaze I only see the Dark Side of the Moon : >)
January 26th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Newt’s really stuck in a time warp. “Waste fraud and abuse”! “There’s plenty o money. Just cut those BUREAUCRATS!” So so so 90s.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
@Omnes Omnibus: It’s Florida. I think stopping Saabs is mandatory. There might be a hippy in them there leather seats.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
@Baud: There used to be signs in Soldier Field that said “The Sent the Wrong Neill Armstrong” to the moon!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
@Benjamin Franklin:
Well, as a matter of fact…
January 26th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
A little OP because I refuse to listen to nattering pussbuckets:
Gingy is ahead of rom bot in recent MN polls (10%?) and Obama is ahead of Romney (12%?) and Gingy (18%?)
So looks like newt is gonna be the nominee.
Squeeeee!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
6 or 7 launches a day . . . to the moon?!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
6 or 7 launches a DAY???
January 26th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Newt channels JFK….the grassy knoll lives
January 26th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Newt’s gone word salad. He’s just blithering now on this gradiose idea.
Mitt just drank his milkshake!
January 26th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Wow. Romney’s really prepped. He deserves to win.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Surreal. Newt is trying to channel JFK.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Romney: We have to stop investing in America in order to make America strong.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Yea motherfucker, you’d make it exciting.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: You didn’t really think Newt could understand or talk about actual science did you?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Which pres started folding in SS funds? A GOPer! Of course. Fiscal frauds they are.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Hey look, Ron Paul just kicked Gingrich too. Go get ‘em Sparky!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Newt going big for the vision thingy. That won’t work unless he promises to put Obama on the first space ship north
January 26th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Rick Santorum sounds constipated.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
Too many novels with William Gorschten. Newt’s confusing his alternate histories with reality.
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January 26th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I’m surprised they didn’t boo the shit out of this woman.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Shorter answer: We’re the GOP. You have no hope.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
What are you going to do for this woman, Ron Paul?
Nothing.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Question for Ron Paul: What was the typical life expectancy when you were growing up?
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January 26th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
I just got back from work so I’m missing the excitement. One question: Have all of the parts of Ron Paul’s face stayed glued on this time?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
A shotgunblast of Newtonian anti-matter just got sent over the TeeVee
January 26th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Romney: If I were you, I’d move to Massachusetts. They have RomneyCare.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Who let this unemployed woman in here? GUARDS!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Was that uninsured woman clapping when Newt mentioned getting rid of Obamacare?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Did Ron Paul just say that medical costs are so high and people don’t have health insurance because the federal government got involved with Medicare? Seriously?!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
@Brian R.: Yup.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
So all of their answers on the health care issue: repeal Obamacare, and then do a bunch of stuff which is already part of Obamacare.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
This is like a speedchess match where the participants are actually playing..
checkers
January 26th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Rachel is piling on the moon bullshit now on her show.
Honestly, this is infinitely more moonbatty, pie in the sky, economic fantasyland than anything any Dem has ever suggested.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
So does Santorum want to be VP or not?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Health savings accounts. “See, all you have to do is save up $100,000 dollars, and not get sick until you’ve reached your goal. Simple!”
January 26th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Mitt: IF i’m President I’ll EXECUTE Obama’s agenda! Because hey that’s awesome, those plans he has.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Wow, if that woman is satisfied with the four answers she just got then she deserves to be unemployed and uninsured.
Fuck her.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
@Corbin Dallas Multipass:
King even had a pathetic butt-hurt face that looked so pathetically chastened.
What a pud.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
water is wet, ice is cold . . .
January 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Holy shit, did Santorum just point out that Republican bitching about the individual mandate is a crock of shit? WOW.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
@Judas Escargot:
Laughing
January 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
The dream has died. Newt really let it all slip away.
Why the heck did he not attack Romney harder – particulary after Rmney’s transparent lie about the ad he had approved?
Newt is making Mitt look tough. Good grief.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
So far, I think Mittens is ahead on points. Newt needs to go for the jugular, and it’s just not working for him.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
You can’t fool me, there is no Sanity Clause. . .
January 26th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
@Bondirotta:
It’s the kinder, gentler GOP…
January 26th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
HL Mencken was right.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
I guess it’s only my naive impression, but Comrade Romney seems to have drunk Newt’s milkshake and then wolfed his Big Whopper and double fries before belching contemptuously in his general direction.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Mitt’s gonna win FLA anyway. People can’t take more than a week of a puffing Newt. It’s too gross. We CAN though look forward to his humiliation, having to drop out. He’ll be raging.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
@Bondirotta:
It really is very sad. Santorum, otoh, looks like an attack dog.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
“And if I’m your student council president, I’ll put Kool Aid in the water fountains and every day will be Pizza Day!”
January 26th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Shorter Newt Health Care Plan: Everyone should be in a menage a quatre with their doctor, pharmacist, and hospital.
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January 26th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Sanitarium piling on with Romneycare, a huge soft spot for the mittster.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Santorum just slammed Romney on Romneycare. Someone really should have done that three or four months ago when it might have made a difference.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Romney sounds exactly like Obama explaining Obamacare.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Mitt: Shut up, Rick—I was kicking Newt’s ass.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Oh my God! Thanks Mitt for making the personal responsibility argument for the mandate so perfectly! Useful for October campaign commercials!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Yeah, fuck those sick people! Fuck them!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Comments from GOS live thread:
January 26th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
It appears that the Spirit of Not Romney has switched hosts to Rick Santorum.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Mit Romney:
I do not think “free” means what Mitt thinks it means.
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January 26th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Wow, I can’t believe how Santorum has got Mitt on the defensive about Romneycare. Amazing.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Don’t count Romney in! Mitt didn’t disclose all of his offshore money. The GOP race to the bottom may continue yet!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
I wonder what Politfact will say about Romney’s claim that Obama raised taxes by $500 billion.
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January 26th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
I think it’s good for newt when santorum does the hatchett work on Mitt. , MANDATE
January 26th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
January 26th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Ron Paul: When I was young, the sick just died instead of feeding off the government teat.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Are the Republicans really talking about entirely scrapping Medicare and Medicaid?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Ron Paul is right that people weren’t out in the streets without health care before Medicare/Medicaid; they were resting docile and uncomplaining in early graves.
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January 26th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
January 26th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
What has Marco Rubio ever done in government besides win an election?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Newt obviously didn’t realize the nature of the audience he was getting tonight. The debate was co-sponsored by the state GOP, which means this is an establishment crowd. So Newt’s usual read meat (like the liberal media jihad) just ain’t flying tonight and Newt wasn’t prepared.
Not to take anything away from Romney who seems better prepared for this debte, but I’m beginning to think that this audience is stacked with establishment voters. So even if Newt wins on substance, Romney wins on style cause the audience is behind him.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
I’m almost ashamed of my piling on the candidates.
HUZZZAH !
January 26th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: Made up horseshit about being a refugee from them Commies?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Gotta hand it to Latino activists. They are the ONLY people who are able to ask, to both sides, “How many of US will you appoint?” and get away with it. They are smart smart politically.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Why would your wife make the best first lady?
I guess Wolf was afraid people were starting to think of him as a real journalist.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
One of Sully’s little “readers” had this to say:
I am not sure which of the two would be more insulted by the comparison.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
January 26th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
So what would be Newt’s postural equivalent of Tebowing? (Please, no more blowjob imagery. I have few enough hobbies left without all y’all ruining it for me.)
January 26th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
We need a new thread. At over 200 comments, and only 2/3 of the way through the debate, this is going to start bogging down the system.
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January 26th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
@ChrisNYC: Well, I’m not sure the Cubans are really representative of the “Latino” population.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
@Baud:
Amended for Newt.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
@Comrade Mary:
Bending a corn-fed blonde intern 1/3 his age over for some interpersonal “communication”?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
For those speculating about the Salamander’s possible bipolar disorder, I can only say, based on my experience with my oldest brother, who has been diagnosed since the early 80s (about 10-15 years after his symptoms were obvious and fast approaching out of control), Newt exhibits many characteristics and behaviors that I have seen too many times before. If he isn’t bipolar with a personality disorder on top of that, I don’t know who would be.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
@Thoughtcrime:
Yes, and I think in the long haul as this thing plays out, his Romneycare is going to sink him with the conservative voters in the primary. He has no answer for it, other than completely implausible bullshit.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
@Comrade Mary: Weren’t you the one who offerred “anything” to the WP fairy or something like that? You brought it on yourself. lol
January 26th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
@Comrade Mary: Elbowing his way to the buffet.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Up next: Why is your wife hotter than all the others?
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January 26th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
@Brian R.: Lol.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
@Baud:
Newt-corrected.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
The fat fuck wants all four of em.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
If you’re Newt Gingrich, “three wives” should never be a phrase you say in a debate.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Dear Newt: When talking about wives, I’d recommend avoiding the phrase “All three”.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
@General Stuck: Yeah, but is bullshit a problem for any Republican with respect to their own base?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Newt: All four wives would be wonderful first ladies and if I’m elected I will personally interview each woman for the job.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Shorter Newt: Callista’s no better than the others, I’m keeping my options open.
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January 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
The First Lady Question is a good way to bring up Newt’s 3 marriages and his last one where he married his mistress without asking a direct question.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Newt” She play the french horn and can suck the chrome of a trailer hitch, I guarontee”!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
@Raven: No, not just Cubans. They weren’t citing only Cubans. They were ticking off Hispanic Republicans. And, I mean, geez, Latino activists got an ENTIRE debate sponsored by them. That’s major. NARAL, League of Women Voters, soccer moms, and STILL women (nor any other group) can’t get the same thing. I think Hispanic advocates are smart and know how to do it. (Evidence: No Hispanic was among the bash Obama crowd. The DREAM Act went down in the same week that DADT repeal passed but Hispanics didn’t run to MSNBC to bitch bitch bitch. Instead, they delivered Harry Reid’s seat to him. Because they play long.)
January 26th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
@lamh35: I try not to use the word “awesome” (except ironically), but that’s just awesome!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
In an intimate and relaxed setting.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
@Omnes Omnibus: Hee. “Nelbowing”. Aggression meets greed, but it needs a soupçon of resentment and a dollop of grandiosity.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
@dmsilev: word for word what I was thinking!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
@ChrisNYC: “They” suck but I get your point.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Mitt’s a regular Oliver Twist.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
@Baud: He did for a minute and now he doesn’t?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
January 26th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Wolf Blitzer: Gov. Romney, can you fuck the corpse of Reagan better than Newt?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Shorter Romney: My life is really boring.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
@gwangung:
The point is that bullshit won’t matter, but his creation of a health care plan with a mandate in MA. will matter, among other flip flopping panders toward the left, that is Mitt Romney’s history
January 26th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
The problem with Santorum is that he’s so damn whiny and self-righteous that even when he might be right about something, he just makes you want to bellow:
“Shut the fuck up, Donny!”
January 26th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Newt just won the debate.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
@Baud: I’m not calling it a night until he asks the “boxers or briefs” question.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
@JGabriel:
Richard Adams ftw
January 26th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Now I know why Newt’s so hot on moon colonies. Callista’s a Moon Maid and he wants a giant escargot ranch.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
January 26th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
@Raven: Sorry. I didn’t mean anything bad with “they.” Just easier to write. I do really really think that the Latino activist community is smart, keeps their eye on the ball and delivers for their constituents. I think the professional left could learn from them. It’s discipline!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
I wonder which unopposed Democrat Mitt Romney must have voted for once. He’s being so specific…
January 26th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
@RossInDetroit: Hah. I have a Tracy cartoon from that era on my office door. Truly an example of what LSD can do to an art team.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Santorum Sanctorum
The MOOOOOOOOOOOOSLIMS
January 26th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
@ChrisNYC:
You won’t mind my asking why Latinos continue to have such low rates of actually voting, if their activists are so smart?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
@geg6:
You might enjoy a book I just read, The Psychopath Test. It’s by the guy who wrote, The Men Who Stare at Goats, and his thesis is that 1%ers are much, much more likely to be psychopaths.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Really dumb to attack Obama on national security.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
By my count, these 4 prime examples of american conservatism have spawned 19 children between them. Clearly going for the `if you cant beat them, out breed them’ political strategy.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
@ChrisNYC:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....44070.html
January 26th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
@grass:
The genuine longterm strategy for the “Old White Guy” Party
January 26th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
@ChrisNYC:
Very true, but I don’t think it has anything to do with them being “smart;” it’s just such a big voting bloc that they get to get away with it.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
@General Stuck:
Consider the audience.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
@RossInDetroit:
That woman always did frighten me.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Romney is going to explain to a Palestinian man why there is no peace between Palestinians and Israelis.
Awesome.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
A Palestinian-American Republican.
Sir, I feel sorry for your situation.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
@Baud:
In the immortal words of Bartleby the Scrivener, “I would prefer not to.”
Edited because it can be.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
@Baud: true
January 26th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
“as a shitty historian”
January 26th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
@dmsilev:
Next up: The One True Scotsman.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
@dmsilev:
I thought Republicans argued that there was no such thing as a Palestinian. Which is the difference between Democrats and Republicans. I’m willing to believe that people I disagree with exist and are human, but Republicans won’t admit that much.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
Bishop Romney should explain that it will all be resolved when Jesus returns to Jackson County, Missouri and the new Jerusalem is built there.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
@MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: I don’t really know. BUT, I think that the voters they have, they do seem to be able to reliably “deliver.” I think the outreach to Latino media outlets (this debate (Univision, Telemundo, the Spanish radio stations, etc) shows that there are real numbers there, that are worth vying for. Maybe it’s a wrong analysis, but my understanding of Reid’s reelection was that it was FROM Hispanics voting. That’s capital. Undeniably, if they could get the participation rates up, more leverage. But I think they leverage what they have pretty masterfully.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Huge diplomatic Feat;;
Move the capital of Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem
Oingo Boingo !
January 26th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
@Benjamin Franklin: And a brand new idea from the Wharf Rat.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
@geg6: I agree, and emphasize the “personality disorder on top of it.” People with undiagnosed or untreated (or poorly medically treated) bipolar disorder can wreak acres of havoc and be downright unpleasant when manic, make no mistake (as you no doubt understand all to well). But the chilling and reflexive exquisite nastiness that Newt radiates is a giant tell for a personality disorder. Usual caveat that I am not a mental health treatment professional and would not pretend to diagnose without an actual live evaluation if I were, but I do have opinions based on some background training and experience. I cannot, however hold such opinions to a reasonable degree of scientific/medical certainty.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
@JGabriel:
“Mostly true” – the government DID take in at least that much in taxes this year.
@Brian R.:
Yes, you didn’t know the GOP wants to kill Medicare & SS?
@Baud:
Noot: “Hell, she wasn’t my FIRST lady and she does not need to be the first lady for any other guy either.”
@Judas Escargot:
Paul Tsongas
Pasta damn moderation! even links to comments count
January 26th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
@dmsilev: I can’t remember who it was, but somebody said yesterday that it was Newt’s “Palestinians are a made-up people” that got him the Adelson money.
Watching TRMS, the lawyer for the birther case in GA is a GA state representative, and …
this is un-fucking believable; are they threatening contempt charges or something?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Wolf didn’t let the others answer the Puerto Rico question. Why is he protecting them?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Yea, Republican religious beliefs guide how they treat people.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Nother fucking idiot from Athens. It’s amazing what we get out of this place.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
@ChrisNYC:
Yes, this is true, but reliably delivering at a lower rate isn’t really impressive – and Reid’s re-election had a good deal to do with Sharron Angle babbling out some incredibly stupid and racist observations, including her thoughts on what various groups look like. I take nothing away from the people on the ground – but I don’t think one can say that Latino activists have managed to get the gold-mine working as much as it could. If they could, the GOP would be running for the hills as of yesterday.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Newt Gingrich: On faith and virtue.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Oh Jesus Christ, Pious Newt is in the hizzouse.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Who the puck is washing this dreck?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Santorum: No other country in the world has its rights based on God-given rights.
He wins!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
I’ve reached my failsafe point watching this creep show.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
“Anyway, I think the Republicans have just lost the only Palestinian-Republican voter in existence.”
Technical fact?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
Has he offered God the VP slot yet?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
@General Stuck:
It’s giving me gas…
January 26th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
I have to say, if we really were a meritocracy, Gingrich would be cleaning the peep-show toilets right now. God only knows where Santorum and Romney would have ended up.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
@MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: But, according to what people wrote at the time, it WAS Latinos that put Reid over the top. I think that’s right. And I think it’s capital.
http://www.economicrefugee.net.....ashington/
January 26th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
It’s kind of surprising how boring consistent unrelenting craziness can become.
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January 26th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
@MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: Agree. Gingrich is the living embodiment of EVERYTHING that’s WRONG. What a cosseted life and he’s still SO SO angry. He should thank God that’s he’s never had to do a lick of work.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
DA GREAT WHITE HOPE!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
@ChrisNYC:
We don’t disagree that it was Latinos who made the difference in Nevada. My point is that this had relatively little to do with stellar latino activism and a lot to do with the astounding incompetence of Sharron Angle as a candidate. Even long-term Republicans were announcing their support for Harry Reid, because Angle was such a moron.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
@Comrade Mary: So that’s what the deal in Oklahoma was about, huh?
January 26th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Well, I ain’t a behavioral sciences professional , I mean I deal with them at work but not in a true professional basis. Anyway, my point is that half of the Goopers have personality disorders of some kind especially if you consider closeted gays a behavioral issue. Primo example is Ricky Santorum. Ricky screams gay to me. Dumbya was a narcissist. Cheney was a pathological sociopath with ishcemic issues of the brain. Laura Bush was a Stepford wife. Condi, well, I don’t wanna go there…..
January 26th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
The debate wouldn’t have felt complete without food stamps and Saul Alinsky.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
@MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: Ok. I think we just disagree then. I think Latinos made the difference in NV b/c of GOP bigotry and Reid’s support of the DREAM Act (because he knew it would pay off in votes).
January 26th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
yawn
Not as fun as I’d hoped. I guess I’d give it to Romney on points.
The election will be decided on class issues. I like Obama’s chances.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
@ChrisNYC:
But you now seem to be agreeing that it wasn’t Latino activists who made the difference, as much as Angle’s folly (which your link explicitly references) and Reid’s courting of a very angry Latino electorate. Anyway, let’s hope that however it happens, Latinos turn out en masse in November. There are some promising reports coming out of Arizona already about voter enrollment drives and citizenship clinics, so let’s stay optimistic and do our phone-banking when the time comes.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
@dmsilev: not sure how that will play in Fla, after all, they elected a guy as governor who had a 2b medicare fraud judgement against him, apparently they don’t care about little personal flaws like that.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Latinos are a difficult group to nail down, policy-wise. Even for something that might seem obvious like immigration, there’s a lot of anti-immigrant Latinos – families that came here ages ago or who were here when the border moved. Quite a lot of latinos don’t identify with the immigration issue.
And quite a lot of Latinos are Catholics, so the usual social issues – gay marriage, reproduction rights, and so on apply here as well. The Latino community didn’t oppose Prop 8 here in CA, though they did side with Obama.
So, ‘winning Latinos’ really means not much different than ‘winning caucasians’ excluding the whole Confederacy butthurt shit.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS BIEBER CAN ONE OF THESE FUCKING MODERATORS PLEASE CORRECT THE CANDIDATES THAT FREDDIE/FANNIE DON’T ORIGINATE LOANS. ALL THEY DO IS BUY AND SELL LOANS THAT SOMEONE ELSE (A BANK) ALREADY ORIGINATED. THEY CAN’T GIVE OUT LOANS THAT PEOPLE CAN’T REPAY BECAUSE THEY CAN’T GIVE OUT LOANS!
Apologies for the Jesus key, but hopefully the interons may hear this time. This lie is almost as brazen as the birther shit.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
@Martin: It’s almost as brazen, to be sure, but it’s actually worse because so many millions more believe it.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Getting in late on this. God love you Anne Laurie. This post is chock full o’ win.
Thank you,
– NOoC
January 26th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
I thought that Romney really stuck the knife in Noot when he said he stuck with his wife through cancer and MS. I think this was a total (slow acting) knock out blow.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
If Santorum wants to be the VP pick, then that means his name will always be tied on promotional material to the GOP pick. I don’t know about you all, but the words “Gingrich-Santorum” make my tummy churn.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
@ed_finnerty: Nah. More of a good round-ending combo right at the buzzer.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
This Indiana-Wisconsin game is horrible. 30-29 with 15 minutes to play.
Yet it’s still better than whatever the hell transpired in Jacksonville. I applaud all of you that were able to sit through another one of those damn things.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Here’s a sample from a promotional movie coming out about Newt Gingrich’s plan for a moonbase:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ntrinter=1
January 26th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
@Mark S.:
Holy crap, I just caught the Palestinian thing. What’d Willard actually say? Besides the 51st state thing, which is technically inaccurate as I’m pretty sure we’re the 51st state as far as people like Mitt and Newt are concerned.
(Tried finding something about it on the Intertubes, but didn’t get any hits…)
January 26th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Good lord, that was horrible. I only made it through about 30 minutes. And WTF is up with the whole American Idol stage set and camera work?
Sweet christ, this country deserves to be over if our choice this fall is between any of those tools and Obama. Which it will be, which means, yep, we’re over.
January 26th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
@Chris: I know, I know it’s controversial even in San Juan, but even if you were against statehood, wouldn’t you be a bit miffed by that. I mean, if you’re gonna have a list that includes proto-states, wouldn’t Israel be 53? Or maybe 55?
January 26th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
@JGabriel: “When you put enough insanity in one place, the ’s’ will drop out.”
January 27th, 2012 at 3:01 pm