Ron Ron Ronaway
This is amusing:
Kent Sorenson, the one-time chair of Michele Bachmann’s Iowa campaign who threw a jolt into the caucuses by switching to Ron Paul tonight, said he only told Paul officials of his decision when he arrived at a Des Moines rally for the congressman tonight“10 minutes ago,” Sorenson, a GOP state senator, told POLITICO about when the Paul campaign found out he was moving to their camp.
In one of the most surprising moments of the 2012 campaign, Sorenson strolled on stage just moments before Paul was set to speak and declared that he had switched his allegiance. Just hours earlier, he had been at a Bachmann campaign event with his former candidate. Sorenson’s switch is a major boost to Paul’s campaign, which has been dogged by criticism from establishment Republicans that his support here was largely among Democrats and independents.
A furious Bachmann accused her former chair of being bought off.
We’re really going to see more fail this election year than we are used to.
December 29, 2011 2:59 pm
Posted in: Election 2012, Teabagger Stupidity
192 Comments
192 Responses
Lolis - December 29, 2011 | 3:03 pm · Link
A work friend who adores Ron Paul just outed herself as a birther last night. I am working on staging an intervention. Ron Paul supporters are flat out insane. But, I guess, anyone working for Bachmann had to be pretty crazy too.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:05 pm · Link
Yawn. Neither candidate matters.
What matters is that the inevitable nomine—Romney—is ahead of Obambi in a shocking new poll.
Of course it needs to be confirmed by other new polls, but don’t be surprised if Romney begins surging as he wraps up the GOP nomination.
Democrats must be feeling nervous about 2012.
Samara Morgan - December 29, 2011 | 3:05 pm · Link
You will see men bark like dogs and speak in tongues as the specific gravity of wingnuttery begins to deform the Wingnut Event Horizon.
you have seen nothing yet.
wrb - December 29, 2011 | 3:05 pm · Link
Was it the shackles or firmness toward the gays that brought him over?
Schlemizel - December 29, 2011 | 3:06 pm · Link
Look, he knows the internal numbers. Batshit is dead meat next Wed & his party welfare check would dry up. Its a smart move, jump to Paul & the checks keep rolling in at least until summer.
John Cole - December 29, 2011 | 3:06 pm · Link
@Veritas: LOL @ Rasmussen.
Chyron HR - December 29, 2011 | 3:08 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Romney 23%, Ron Paul 22%? Yeah, that is pretty shocking. No wonder you’ve been whistling past the graveyard in every thread today.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:08 pm · Link
@John Cole:
Laugh all you want, but they had the most accurate final Presidential poll of 2004 and 2008.
As I said, we’ll see about it being confirmed by other polls—I suppose Obambi lemmings would rather deny reality than face it.
4tehlulz - December 29, 2011 | 3:08 pm · Link
>A furious Bachmann accused her former chair of being bought off.
She’s mad that the chair was more Republican than she was.
Schlemizel - December 29, 2011 | 3:09 pm · Link
@John Cole:
No, really. The most critical polls, the ones most accurately predicting the outcome of an election are those that come nearly 12 months before that election. You know back in Dec ‘07 Obama was ahead of McCain so that proves it.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:10 pm · Link
@Chyron HR:
A Ron Paul win in Iowa is still a Romney victory, as Paul can’t compete anywhere else and will flame out quickly.
All Romney has to do is prevent a Gingrich or Santorum victory. An outright win will mean a strong one-two knockout punch of IA-NH that will propel him to the nomination. A Paul victory in IA will just be discarded as an outlier, but Romney might take just a little longer to win in the end. That’ll be the only difference.
What is true is there is 16%+ real unemployment in this country—that’s Obambi’s record, and that’s what this election will be about.
Comrade Mary - December 29, 2011 | 3:10 pm · Link
I like this detail:
Amir Khalid - December 29, 2011 | 3:10 pm · Link
Ooh! Ooh! I know this one! Del Shannon!
@Samara Morgan:
Starting with you, right?
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:10 pm · Link
@Schlemizel:
But if Obambi is in such a strong position (something I constantly here from the Obambi lemmings on this blog as they follow Dear Leader right over the cliff), then why is Romney even tied with Obambi, let alone ahead?
Chyron HR - December 29, 2011 | 3:11 pm · Link
@Veritas:
That’s the spirit, kid. Never let ‘em see you sweat.
Ian - December 29, 2011 | 3:11 pm · Link
@John Cole:
He has been pumping that same poll for several threads, and we keep telling him the house of Ras is fail.
Schlemizel - December 29, 2011 | 3:12 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits is it?
eemom - December 29, 2011 | 3:13 pm · Link
@Comrade Mary:
more likely he was afraid she would claw his eyes out. And rightly so.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:14 pm · Link
Don’t want to believe Rasmussen? Fine.
But the Democrat Pollster PPP has Romney up by two points.
Again, isn’t this bad news for an incumbent? How does this square with all the squawking by the commentators on this blog about how strong and unbeatable Obambi is?
JGabriel - December 29, 2011 | 3:14 pm · Link
John Cole:
That reminds me … (adds popcorn to the shopping list).
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JPL - December 29, 2011 | 3:14 pm · Link
Michael Reagan and Laffer both came out in support of Newti. That will cause Romneyi to shake in his ski boots.
Schlemizel - December 29, 2011 | 3:15 pm · Link
@Ian:
Thats ‘pimping’ not pumping – pimping is what you do for whores, pumping is something you do for water.
opie jeanne - December 29, 2011 | 3:15 pm · Link
@Lolis: After reading your post I am so very glad I’m retired. I had trouble enough being civil to a guest one of my kids brings home for dinner. He would stand in my kitchen and fuss at me about Obama and soshulizm while I was trying to finish up whatever I was cooking.
He lost his job and was deported to Austria not long ago, (I had no idea that he wasn’t a naturalized citizen) where he has been enjoying the attention of the health program of that fine country, from a padded cell.
Mike E - December 29, 2011 | 3:16 pm · Link
Mumblemumble OBAMA bargle.
Can I haz troll hat plz?
Joel - December 29, 2011 | 3:16 pm · Link
@Veritas: LOLWUT?
Obama up 2.2 nationally in recent poll averages. It’s very early.
Redshift - December 29, 2011 | 3:17 pm · Link
What I like about this story is both the obvious info about Bachmann cratering, and that a guy who was dumb enough to be a state campaign chair for Bachmann is also dumb enough to think jumping to Ron Paul at this point is a good idea.
Hilarious.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:18 pm · Link
@Joel:
What about the PPP poll? Even if its “early” shouldn’t an incumbent President be far, far ahead? And remember, this is before Romney’s Super PACs and Crossroads America/Crossroads GPS gets to work, not to mention the UNLIMITED funds of the Koch Bros.
You must be getting nervous alraedy.
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 3:18 pm · Link
@Redshift:
We are talking about someone dumb enough to work for Bachmann in the first place…
Chyron HR - December 29, 2011 | 3:18 pm · Link
@Veritas:
They only have Romney up by two points against “the worst President in history”? Even though he has UNLIMITED ANONYMOUS CASH!! on his side?
You know, you’ve still got a whole week to
pickfind a better candidate. We won’t hold it against you.Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:19 pm · Link
And Obambi is now down to 41% once again in Gallup approval. So much for his “comeback”.
arguingwithsignposts - December 29, 2011 | 3:20 pm · Link
@Veritas: fuckin margins of error, how do they work?
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 3:20 pm · Link
UNLIMITED funds of the Koch Bros.
Unlimited? I’m pretty sure, as rich as the Koch brothers may be, their wealth is hardly infinite.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:20 pm · Link
@Chyron HR:
That cash hasn’t started pouring out against Obambi yet. Remember how “progressives” freak out about OMG TEH KOCH BROTHERRRZZZ? There’s a reason for that.
And not to mention the new election integrity laws are bad news for Obambi and his voter shennanigans, too.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:21 pm · Link
@rlrr:
It’s virtually unlimited once you add in all the other big corporate donors and Super PACs.
JGabriel - December 29, 2011 | 3:22 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Hey, Veritas, I keep posting Nate Silver’s assessment of Rasmussen’s 2010 performance, and you keep ignoring it: Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate (11/4/2010) [Editor’s Addendum: So Were Marist’s and CNN/Opinion Research].
Why is that? Why do you keep ignoring it? Don’t you want to be sure that your favorite pollster is generally regarded as accurate rather than mostly wrong and biased?
I’d think you would want to quote a pollster who isn’t quite so discredited. Maybe someone like SurveyUSA, Quinnipiac, or PPP.
Or, on the other hand, maybe polls from RELIABLE pollsters don’t fit your propaganda.
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MaximusNYC - December 29, 2011 | 3:22 pm · Link
Time to pop up a very big bowl of popcorn.
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 3:23 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Obambi and his voter shennanigans, too.
We’re still waiting for actual evidence of any voter shenanigans by Obama supporters in 2008…
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:24 pm · Link
@rlrr:
If there you don’t think there were, you shouldn’t have anything to fear about election integrity laws.
arguingwithsignposts - December 29, 2011 | 3:24 pm · Link
@rlrr: ACORN! BLACK PANTHERS!
Brian S - December 29, 2011 | 3:25 pm · Link
My cousin put this on Facebook and took great offense, perhaps even umbrage, when I noted that it was basically a lateral move in terms of crazy. He got put on blast shortly afterward, in part because he’s constantly shouting about how awful the welfare state is when he moved back to France last year.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:25 pm · Link
@JGabriel:
You want a PPP poll?
Here you , Romney up by +2. And this is from a Democrat pollster. More bad news for the Democrats.
Satanicpanic - December 29, 2011 | 3:25 pm · Link
Oh jeez. You know, Veritas should really be over at some Republican blog pimping Romney, word about how great he is hasn’t reached Republican yet since they’re still putting him at 25%. Maybe they just need UNLIMITED ANONYMOUS CASH!!
EconWatcher - December 29, 2011 | 3:25 pm · Link
It seems odd to me that, other than Huntsman, the GOP also- rans don’t seem to have gone after Mitt all that hard. Maybe it’s because they know he needs a wingnut running mate, and they all hope to be it.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:26 pm · Link
@Satanicpanic:
Twenty-five percent in a divided field=a win.
Arundel - December 29, 2011 | 3:26 pm · Link
I saw this Sorensen guy on Rachel last night, his dramatic! announcement and speaking to reporters later, and oh my God he could not shut the fuck up talking about himself. “Me me I me my conservative beliefs..” Must be quite the ego trip for him, fifteen-second microfame.
daveNYC - December 29, 2011 | 3:27 pm · Link
@rlrr:
There were pictures of black people voting, ergo shenanigans.
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice - December 29, 2011 | 3:27 pm · Link
This thread makes absolutely no sense with the pie filter engaged, and for that, I am deeply grateful. Cleek, you’re a great humanitarian.
AnotherBruce - December 29, 2011 | 3:28 pm · Link
The interesting thing about Romney is that he consistently polls below the “Crazification factor” (27%) in his own party.
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 3:28 pm · Link
@EconWatcher:
Mitt will need to go full fundie for a running mate…
Lolis - December 29, 2011 | 3:29 pm · Link
Kelly Clarkson endoresed Ron Paul so that means he is going to win everything.
cat - December 29, 2011 | 3:29 pm · Link
@Veritas: You need some basic “how to read a poll” instructions if being up by 2pts in an poll with a 3.7% error is a sign anything. Obama was ahead by 1pt last month by the same polling group with 3.5% error which means their relative standing is unchanged.
Satanicpanic - December 29, 2011 | 3:29 pm · Link
@Veritas: A divided field= lukewarm support. Get over to RedState and rally the troops! ROMNEY VICTORY!!
MaximusNYC - December 29, 2011 | 3:30 pm · Link
@Redshift: Yes… it’s the story of a rat leaving a sinking ship for a ship that’s about to start sinking.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:30 pm · Link
@cat:
The point still stands that Obambi is in a weak position for an incumbent. Scary for Dems, huh?
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:30 pm · Link
@Satanicpanic:
Republicans will turn out in droves just to vote against Obambi.
Schlemizel - December 29, 2011 | 3:31 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Theres that read comprehension problem again. I, and many other commeters here do not believe Obama is unbeatable. The Republicans have done an excellent job of hamstinging the economy so there is a very real chance he could lose in November of 2012.
But here is the problem – and I will try to use small words and short sentences so you might understand.
It is 313 days until the election
313 days is a long time in politics
Poll results will go up and down
McCain did not have a chance of winning the Republican nod in Dec 2007
Obama did not have a chance of winning the Dem nod in December 2007
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 3:31 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Just like they did for McCain…
J.D. Rhoades - December 29, 2011 | 3:33 pm · Link
There’s a quote hanging up in the local probation department that’s apropos:
“If you do the same thing you’ve always done, you’ll get what you’ve always got.”
EconWatcher - December 29, 2011 | 3:33 pm · Link
@rlrr:
What he needs is a Hispanic fundie. Rubio probably ain’t it, because a Cuban may not be able to deliver other hispanic votes.
But it’s interesting that, while nominally still Catholic, Rubio attends some kind of fundie Protestant Megachurch. Whatever else you might say about the guy, that’s thinking ahead.
Palli - December 29, 2011 | 3:33 pm · Link
4tehlulz@9 Money for the move doesn’t surprise me-the lure of stupidity of any Republican ilk does not insure integrity. Afterall, l this charade of endless early campaigning was really just to accomplish the transfer of republican payola money to media and pundits. The fame and splendor of each unsuccessful wannabes campaign trail pays off in book deals, the thrill of the podium and the ego inflation of the bright lights. It also gives the Rovian puppeteers trial runs on every conceivable idiotic lie to present during the “real” campaign.
As an aside: why did Mrs. Bachman think the big boyss would ever really let her in?
David in NY - December 29, 2011 | 3:34 pm · Link
@Comrade Colette Collaboratrice:
Gotta get me one of those … took too damn long just scrolling past the garbage.
Mark B. - December 29, 2011 | 3:34 pm · Link
Paul does have a lot of shiny object potential. I see a lot of people who ought to know better who are intrigued by him. By standing for nothing, he can basically be all things to all people … well maybe just many things to some people, but maybe that’s enough to make headway in the fractured Republican party. I don’t see him having lasting appeal, but then again, this was the country that elected a senile washed up actor twice who wrecked the economy and infrastructure, revived racial divisions, and who is still revered by millions.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:34 pm · Link
Bob McDonnell would be a very strong running mate for Mitt—popular Governor of a swing state, conservative and well-liked by evangelicals.
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 3:35 pm · Link
@EconWatcher:
But Rubio’s Cuban refugee cred is now in question…
burnspbesq - December 29, 2011 | 3:36 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Grasping at straws again? Must suck being you. Your world is going to come crashing down around your ears for a second time next November.
The American people are not nearly as stupid as you believe them to be.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:37 pm · Link
@burnspbesq:
Remember 2000? 2004? Get ready to re-live it.
Mark B. - December 29, 2011 | 3:37 pm · Link
And as bad as Obama is doing, he’s in better position that Bush was in 2003, and he’s up against a much weaker field. I would be willing to give at least 3:1 odds for an Obama reelection.
Emma - December 29, 2011 | 3:37 pm · Link
@Veritas: Not really. Me, I’m going to sit back and enjoy your whining when your mother’s social security check is turned into an “investment” that will net her less than a third of what she’s getting now and you will have to get off your arse and out of your basement and actually work two or three jobs to support her. Or when you lose whatever insurance you have and then get sick. I am stocking up several years’ worth of schadenfreude and will indulge myself recklessly.
The nice things about chumps like you is that you really think that you’re automatically one of the elite because you hate liberals and you never see the train coming until it hits you. And then when it does, you whine endlessly about how life is “unfair.” Yep. It is. Especially under a Republican administration headed by a psychopath.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:38 pm · Link
@Emma:
I don’t give a rip about Social Security for the next generation, and neither do they. They know they won’t have it. I’m a Gen-Xer, I know it won’t exist when I retire either. And you know what? I PLANNED for that, and have a nice nest egg. I don’t need any fucking government dole to “secure” my retirement.
SS is a bankrupt ponzi scheme. It will come crashing down sooner or later. The question is whether we do it the easy way (private personal accounts) or the hard way (bankruptcy).
MikeJ - December 29, 2011 | 3:38 pm · Link
@Schlemizel:
December? Hell, McCain got trounced in Iowa. The final result was Huckabee, Romney, Thompson(!), McCain.
McCain lost to Fred Thompson. Romney came in second with a higher percentage than he’s polling at now, 25.19%.
Xecky Gilchrist - December 29, 2011 | 3:39 pm · Link
Remember 2000? 2004? Get ready to re-live it.
In 2000, Gore won.
In 2004, Republicans based their entire election strategy around gay-baiting.
Yup, I could see us reliving this.
TooManyJens - December 29, 2011 | 3:40 pm · Link
@Comrade Mary:
And as we all know, that’s the candidate’s job.
Cassidy - December 29, 2011 | 3:40 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Not really.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:40 pm · Link
@MikeJ:
McCain didn’t bother competing in Iowa though.
slag - December 29, 2011 | 3:40 pm · Link
So what causes these people to do stuff like this? I mean, is it not enough for them to be non compos mentis? They have to be unprofessional too?
Brachiator - December 29, 2011 | 3:40 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Polls ain’t votes. Polls ain’t reality. Come back and talk to me when there is an actual GOP nominee, and when we get closer to the general election.
Who knew that the run up to the GOP primary would be its own reality show? “The Real Clown Cars of the GOP.” The Kardashians must be envious.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:41 pm · Link
@Xecky Gilchrist:
Nope. Bush did.
Let me spell it out for you:
BUSH. WON. FLORIDA. He fucking won, and I love rubbing your nose in it. Still crying about that one?
slag - December 29, 2011 | 3:42 pm · Link
Isn’t Veritas bad enough when commenting on-topic? Now we’re going to encourage off-topic trolling as well? Don’t we have any standards at all anymore?
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:42 pm · Link
@Brachiator:
When Romney wins the GOP nod, his poll numbers will go up.
burnspbesq - December 29, 2011 | 3:42 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Remember them well. Republicans cant win elections in this country, they can only steal them. Planning to steal another one?
Palli - December 29, 2011 | 3:43 pm · Link
Veritas @55
I’m not so sure, There are fewer republicans now and a candidate whose known wealth is $450 million isn’t from very many neighborhoods. The OWS have opened some eyes and the voting booth is private. (Although the E-vote machine is not impenetrable by tabulation fraud-the wild card in American elections.)
Schlemizel - December 29, 2011 | 3:43 pm · Link
@MikeJ:
Exactly yet he who can not read wants us to believe it is all over because that same Romney is within the margin of error of a poll taken by a GOP friendly service 313 days before the election.
It seems to be trying to convince itself there is hope
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:44 pm · Link
@burnspbesq:
You really believe not only 2000, but 2004 was “stolen”?
So how did they do it in ‘04? Did Dick Cheney secretly control Diebold machines with a magic laser invented by the Koch Bros. from the basement of the Naval Observatory?
Schlemizel - December 29, 2011 | 3:45 pm · Link
@slag:
You are right. My bad. I have made my last response to he who cannot read. Lets all take the pledge
Raven - December 29, 2011 | 3:45 pm · Link
@Veritas: The families of the people that draft-dodging punk you had for a vice president are crying because their kid died for nothing.
Emma - December 29, 2011 | 3:46 pm · Link
@Veritas: Sweetie pie, ignorant is not a good way to go through life. Really. Unless, of course, that’s as much as your brain expands. And good luck getting those three minimum-wage jobs. Competition these days is a bitch and will get worse when your beloved Republicans come back to rule the land.
Brachiator - December 29, 2011 | 3:47 pm · Link
@Emma:
Very good stuff.
Actually, though, the GOP true believers whine that some undeserving member of the underclass took all their milk money even though the trails from the broken piggy bank lead straight to some GOP protected elitist goon.
JGabriel - December 29, 2011 | 3:47 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Well, damn, Veritas, why don’t you give us a link?
Oh, because you got it from an aggregated list* that shows Romney tied or losing in every single other non-Rasmussen December poll. And, hell, lookit that: even your beloved fraudulent Rasmussen show Obama in the lead as recently as 12/20, more recently than the anomalous PPP poll you cite.
Isn’t “veritas” Latin for truthful? Gotta say that’s not very veritas of you, Veritas.
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Howlin Wolfe - December 29, 2011 | 3:48 pm · Link
@Veritas: Rasmussen is one of the most unreliable polls when it comes to presidential politics, because it’s a Republican outfit, essentially, so “Veritas” has a lot of vino in him/her.
Chyron HR - December 29, 2011 | 3:48 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Obviously ACORN bussed in homeless people to steal the election.
Ha ha, just kidding. Only someone with severe mental problems would believe that.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:48 pm · Link
@Emma:
Ahahaha. Minimum wage? I make nearly six figures. Why? Because I have an actual skill. I don’t demand I make $50/hour just from turning a wrench on some blue collar assembly line, or demand a middle class lifestyle just because I took out student loans to get a Masters Degree in Queer Gender Music Theory.
Wealth must be EARNED, not extorted by union thugs.
Emma - December 29, 2011 | 3:48 pm · Link
@Veritas: You.Can’t.Prove.It. Because the Supremes stuck their oars in it before the recount could be complete and then, conveniently, several boxes of the paper votes went missing.
Emma - December 29, 2011 | 3:50 pm · Link
@Veritas: Ah. Delusional as well as ignorant. If you really made six figures, kiddo, you wouldn’t need to spend your life trying to get liberals in an everyday blog riled up. You’re a loser like the rest of your kind.
And you wouldn’t know an “union thug” if he smashed you one on the occiput.
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 3:50 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Because I have an actual skill
A skill not requiring any critical thinking ability…
Howlin Wolfe - December 29, 2011 | 3:51 pm · Link
Stupid troll is stupid. Lying troll is lying and derails thread.
I want to see the furious Bachmann. Her eyes must be a sight to behold.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 3:51 pm · Link
@Emma:
I said “nearly”.
How much do you make? $10/hour at Starbucks, paying off the student loans you took out to get an MA in Women’s Gender Studies or Queer Theory in Puppetry?
Emma - December 29, 2011 | 3:53 pm · Link
@Veritas: Actually, I do have a skill. A rather good, transferable one, much improved by the fact that I am multilingual. I will give you a hint: according to Spider Robinson, I am one of the masters of the Universe.
Howlin Wolfe - December 29, 2011 | 3:54 pm · Link
@Veritas: Nearly six figures? BWAHAHAHAHA! You think that makes you one of the 1%? You want to carry water for the callous assholes that blew up the economy? For assholes like the Kochs and Richard Scaif, who were born on 3rd base and think they hit a triple?
Jeeezus, who is stupid enough to pay you any money at all, let alone “nearly six figures”?
Soonergrunt - December 29, 2011 | 3:55 pm · Link
@Veritas: Rasmussen? Really? What kind of sad pathetic fucked in the head jerk-off quotes a Ras poll for anything other than laugh value? Those fuckers haven’t been accurate in well, forever. But they are in the tank for the Republicans, so that would explain why you love them so much.
They predicted Republican gains in 2006 midterms and had John McCain in the lead in damn near every poll they did in the 2008 race.
Sad and stupid. No surprise that you quote them. Sad and stupid is your thing.
JPL - December 29, 2011 | 3:55 pm · Link
@Veritas: Wow.. The ponzi scheme comment made me think you only listened to Fox but now I’m thinking Limbaugh. He also, too is afraid of females.
cat - December 29, 2011 | 3:55 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Uh, no. This is how it is in modern presidential elections. GOP/DEM condidates always poll almost exactly equal within the margin of error and a single digit percentage of the population called the ‘middle’/’independents’/’swing voters’/’undecideds’ decide who gets elected.
DaBomb - December 29, 2011 | 3:57 pm · Link
@Lolis:
Well, his nomination is doomed like her career.
Chyron HR - December 29, 2011 | 3:57 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Says the guy who literally spent the past five and a half hours reading this blog.
J.D. Rhoades - December 29, 2011 | 3:58 pm · Link
The majority of posts these days seem to be either Veritas trolling or people who just can’t seem to resist responding to Veritas’ obvious* trolling. The solution would seem to be clear.
*I say obvious because anyone who comes to a mostly liberal blog talking about “Obambi” can’t be anything else other than someone trying to stir up shit.
Brachiator - December 29, 2011 | 3:58 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Pay attention.
Polls ain’t votes. Polls ain’t reality.
Polls are useful to political strategists, and are abused by people, of either party, who like to play Political Fantasy Football.
If Mitts gets the nomination sewed up, then the game is on. Until then, to quote my favorite line from Casino Royale,
Does it look like I give a damn?
JGabriel - December 29, 2011 | 4:00 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Feeling a little insecure, Veritas? With good reason (Wikipedia):
It must chafe your hollow soul to know that your team stole a national election, like the common crooks they are, and that Gore won the national popular vote by more than half-a-million votes:
Not even close.
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Zifnab - December 29, 2011 | 4:01 pm · Link
Did Veritas hijack the thread at gunpoint? Or was it an inside job?
Canuckistani Tom - December 29, 2011 | 4:01 pm · Link
@Emma:
Awesome! Another Spider fan and fellow MOTU. (University, public, school or other?)
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 4:02 pm · Link
@JGabriel:
Wikipedia? Where anyone can edit anything? Try using that as a reliable source on say, a college term paper some time. Or try to pass that off to a professional librarian as a reliable source. you’d be laughed at.
Zifnab - December 29, 2011 | 4:03 pm · Link
@JGabriel:
States Rights! States Rights!
LAC - December 29, 2011 | 4:03 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Yawn….still trying too hard, aren’t you? Your endless posting is getting a might too shrill. If we pretend to buy your story, will you go lie down with a cold rag on your head?
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 4:03 pm · Link
@JGabriel:
And so what if Bush lost the popular vote? The popular vote doesn’t matter. In fact it makes the victory even sweeter—to see you morons whine about “buh buh the popular vote!!” 11 years later. Love it.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 4:04 pm · Link
@Chyron HR:
I’m on Christmas vacation, dipshit.
Emma - December 29, 2011 | 4:05 pm · Link
@Canuckistani Tom: University. Law. Systems and digital projects.
LAC - December 29, 2011 | 4:05 pm · Link
@J.D. Rhoades:
Yeah, but it is fun to mock the reebo. Hey, do I need to get a hall pass from the teacher to go potty?
Citizen Alan - December 29, 2011 | 4:06 pm · Link
@David in NY:
It really is just the most wonderful thing. I find Veritas to be rather charming now that all his posts are just witty bon mots about how wonderful pie is.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 4:06 pm · Link
@Howlin Wolfe:
No. I know I’m not in the “top 1%”. But unlike you I don’t whine and bitch and moan about how unfair it is, or think I’m for one minute entitled to anything they have. I make a comfortable living. The fact their billionaires is no skin off my back. Envy is the only vice that has no pleasure in it, and I don’t have much time for it.
Chyron HR - December 29, 2011 | 4:07 pm · Link
@Veritas:
What’s your excuse for the other 51 weeks of the year?
JGabriel - December 29, 2011 | 4:08 pm · Link
Veritas:
And Republicans wonder why people think they’re anti-democracy.
... to take office knowing more than half the country despises your candidate?
You might want to get your taste buds checked, buddy, if that’s your idea of “sweet”.
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gorram - December 29, 2011 | 4:08 pm · Link
Queer Theory in Puppetry sounds actually awesome, I’ll just interrupt (the obviously sociopathic troll) to say.
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 4:08 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Nearly $100K/year with a Christmas vacation – Veritas must be one of those school janitors Newt told us about…
Unlimited Anonymous Cash - December 29, 2011 | 4:09 pm · Link
Have there been any messages for me?
Yevgraf - December 29, 2011 | 4:09 pm · Link
@Veritas:
I see this bandied about quite a bit. Just want to point out that while unemployment is high, Obama is actually working to address it. Meanwhile, the goopers are saying that the solution is tax cuts, an end to regulation, an end to unions, and that giving a few untaxed wealthy guys control over everything will create jobs galore.
The American people can be pretty stupid, but the stupid won’t reach critical mass outside of those economic paradises of South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama or Georgia.
LAC - December 29, 2011 | 4:09 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Well, don’t you think you should spend time with your family or at least catch up with your high school reading?
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 4:09 pm · Link
@rlrr:
I apologize to any janitors who are offended by my last comment.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 4:10 pm · Link
@LAC:
What the fuck do you think I was doing for the last week I wasn’t here, unlike you losers? How many of you actually posted on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day? Now THAT’S sad.
David Fud - December 29, 2011 | 4:11 pm · Link
@Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: Couldn’t agree more. So much Veritas pie that is soooooo refreshing!
LAC - December 29, 2011 | 4:11 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Not with all the pimple popping you have to do. And the word is “they’re”. That might show up on the SAT.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 4:11 pm · Link
@Yevgraf:
Fun fact: Alabama now makes more cars than Michigan, and Georgia is close behind.Meanwhile, Detroit is a deindustrialized shithole that makes nothing but crime and shitty sports teams.
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 4:12 pm · Link
@Yevgraf:
More private sector jobs have created during Obama’s first 3 years as President than during 8 years of Bush’s Presidency.
LAC - December 29, 2011 | 4:13 pm · Link
@Veritas:
What were you doing? Waiting for Santa to come down the chimney? Did you eat all the cookies mommy left out?
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 4:17 pm · Link
@LAC:
I guess you were working the night shift at McDonalds, bitching to your manager about how you should get paid $50k/year because “waaah, I went to COLLEGE! And have a degree in MUSIC
And it’s all the fault of the 1%
WAAAH!”
JGabriel - December 29, 2011 | 4:17 pm · Link
Veritas:
Not next year, not after the car manufacturers start relocating their plants so their executives & managers don’t get arrested for looking foriegn.
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pseudonymous in nc - December 29, 2011 | 4:18 pm · Link
Reality Chuck really isn’t worth the $0.65/hr he’s getting paid to troll here.
butler - December 29, 2011 | 4:20 pm · Link
Lions in the playoffs, Tigers in the ALCS, Michigan in the Sugar Bowl, Red Wings in the Semi Finals, Michigan State in the Outback bowl and within 3 points of winning the Big 10 Title game…
Not exactly Titletown, but hard to call it shitty.
Oh, and Michigan has had great job growth in the last few years.
The Moar You Know - December 29, 2011 | 4:21 pm · Link
Jesus Christ you people are idiots. This troll couldn’t be any more well-fed than if he had a lifetime all-you-can-eat pass to Applebee’s (not the salad bar though) and a truck full of delicious cake.
You people claim to have cleek’s pie filter? Might want to try actually using it for a change.
Damn.
carpeduum - December 29, 2011 | 4:21 pm · Link
They are all batshit crazy no matter which crazy person supports which crazy candidate. So crazy moving from one shitpile of crazy to another is not really news worthing imho.
Veritas - December 29, 2011 | 4:22 pm · Link
@butler:
So the Lions got to the playoffs for the first time since the Clinton Administration. Yay? And they’re not going anywhere in the playoffs, mark my words.
JGabriel - December 29, 2011 | 4:22 pm · Link
@LAC:
He did, while masturbating up in his bedroom to his collection of Ayn Rand and Friedrich Hayek photographs.
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Cris (without an H) - December 29, 2011 | 4:22 pm · Link
You got yer Del Shannon, and you got yer Tom Petty, you got yer Talking Heads, but I prefer to think of Slade, just because this snippet fits certain candidates:
Cris (without an H) - December 29, 2011 | 4:24 pm · Link
Me too, if you count the part after the decimal point.
butler - December 29, 2011 | 4:28 pm · Link
@Veritas: So a team used to be shitty, and now they aren’t shitty, but current reality doesn’t matter because they used to be shitty. Funny, I thought we were supposed to celebrate the whole “up by their bootstraps” redemption story.
As for the rest of those supposedly “shitty” teams…?
Chyron HR - December 29, 2011 | 4:31 pm · Link
@butler:
No, see, “Shitty” is code for something else. As in, “Detroit’s sports teams are full of shitty players,” or “Obama is a bad president because he’s shitty,” or, “That was such a nice neighborhood until all those shitty people moved in.”
Wink, wink.
Canuckistani Tom - December 29, 2011 | 4:33 pm · Link
@Emma:
Cool. I’m the caretaker of a small but well stocked Astronomy & space collection. Several hundred books and a periodical collection going back two centuries.
Brandon - December 29, 2011 | 4:33 pm · Link
I get the distinct feeling that people arguing with Veritas don’t realize that he is a pimply 19-year old college sophmore.
rlrr - December 29, 2011 | 4:35 pm · Link
@Brandon:
At a crappy college.
NobodySpecial - December 29, 2011 | 4:36 pm · Link
@Veritas:
And I’m sure you’ll get the other four down after Christmas break.
Mnemosyne - December 29, 2011 | 4:45 pm · Link
@Brandon:
Oh, we realize it. It’s just funny to watch him run around trying to pretend he’s an adult with an actual job who’s totally not living in mom’s basement.
hildebrand - December 29, 2011 | 4:47 pm · Link
@Veritas: Election laws? You are so far behind the curve. We are working in ways that you cannot even imagine to insure a comfortable victory for Obama in November. I have been helping to develop these networks for years. In fact, I feel that things are going so well with the plan that I think it safe to say that Texas is in the bag for Obama. In. The. Bag. The poor bastards in the red parts of the states won’t even know what hit them. They will see county after county in the Hill Country go Democratic next Fall – my God, they will wonder just exactly what happened. We happened.
Don’t you get it? We allowed Acorn to be submarined. Made the most sense, they were getting too big, too noisy. We had to let them go. They understood, this is all about the win in 2012, so they were willing to take one for the team.
And make no mistake – this is a team. We play for keeps. Money isn’t going to tip this election – the ground game will get the people to the polls – and we plan on insuring that the necessary numbers appear for the final vote. It will be delicious. Now, I would love to give details, but you know how these things work. Ban Ki-moon would never approve. Not that he really has the ability to pull the strings, but he needs to feel like he is still in the loop. No, all is proceeding according to plan.
Of course, we really appreciate the constant kvetching about Obama’s work on this – puts the dogs off the true scent. You dumb hacks will be chasing ghosts long after the election is over.
Off to continue writing checks to local election officials – my little part in the plan. It is delightful work, especially with so many frustrated with Mitt ‘One-Percent’ Romney – and yes, he will get the nod (the Iowa plan seems to be shaping up quite nicely) – makes the work so much easier because the officials are not particularly thrilled with the way the big money boys are throwing money in every direction but the most beneficial one.
Have oodles of fun. I know we are.
hitchhiker - December 29, 2011 | 5:08 pm · Link
How do I get this cleek pie filter of which you speak?
Comrade Rich - December 29, 2011 | 5:16 pm · Link
@hitchhiker:
This thread finally made me break down and install Cleek’s pie filter, so here:
Go to Cleek’s pie filter site. The instructions are pretty clear. The pie filter buttons appear at the bottom of the comments page. It actually makes it all pretty hilarious!
grandpa john - December 29, 2011 | 5:17 pm · Link
@Chyron HR:
I’m sure Sam Waltons kids will agree with that
Firebert - December 29, 2011 | 5:17 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Ride that gold bubble, Cowboy!
S. cerevisiae - December 29, 2011 | 5:18 pm · Link
@Veritas: Here’s how it will go down…Bookmark it, libs!
grandpa john - December 29, 2011 | 5:22 pm · Link
@J.D. Rhoades: @J.D. Rhoades:
This I really don’t understand the overwhelming urge of people here to respond to these morons by trying to enlighten them. Hell they would accomplish more by spending their time trying to teach pigs how to fly.
Samara Morgan - December 29, 2011 | 5:33 pm · Link
@Veritas: Romney is mathematically unelectable. He can’t get the requisite 65% of the white vote he needs to beat Obama.
Of course Ras has Romney ahead—Landline bias.
wireless only households make up a third of the electorate naow—and they are almost all Obama voters.
;)
FlipYrWhig - December 29, 2011 | 5:34 pm · Link
@gorram: Chapter 1: Queer Street Goes to Sesame Street. Chapter 2: From Lamb Chop to Meat Market. Chapter 3: Topo Gigolo. Chapter 4: Thunderbirds Are Gay.
FlipYrWhig - December 29, 2011 | 5:37 pm · Link
@FlipYrWhig: Chapter 5: F( r )aggle Rock.
Samara Morgan - December 29, 2011 | 5:38 pm · Link
@Veritas: Ras failed in Colorado.
We turned the Red Wave to Beach Break.
Ras got spoofed by landline bias….he had Tancredo and Buck to win.
1/3 of American households are cell only now.
And we ALL are voting Obama.
;)
Emma - December 29, 2011 | 5:38 pm · Link
@Canuckistani Tom: That actually sounds cooler than what I do! Two hundred years of journals? See’s Chocolates for the sugar deprived!
Amir Khalid - December 29, 2011 | 5:40 pm · Link
@Samara Morgan:
All this while, you’ve been saying that Mitt won’t even get the nomination. And here you are now, saying he’ll lose to Obama in the election proper. I wonder, has something changed?
Brachiator - December 29, 2011 | 5:42 pm · Link
@JGabriel:
Jeebus. Bush stole the election. But the stuff about the popular vote is just crap.
And it is not about being anti-democracy. It’s the current rules and that little thing called the Constitution.
The other thing is that even though Dubya stole the election the first time around, the people had a chance to definitively make a different decision. They didn’t do it, and we ended up with a heck of a mess.
Now it’s time for the cleanup.
Amir Khalid - December 29, 2011 | 5:42 pm · Link
This lot can’t be serious, can they?
TenguPhule - December 29, 2011 | 5:45 pm · Link
And definitely final.
Gabriel Bellatrix - December 29, 2011 | 5:47 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Kerry leads Bush 9 months from election day.
hitchhiker - December 29, 2011 | 5:57 pm · Link
@Comrade Rich:
Dear sweet jeebus, thank you. Veritas speaks pie, all pie, all the time pie.
S. cerevisiae - December 29, 2011 | 6:04 pm · Link
@Amir Khalid: Oh please God Allah Shiva Buddha make this happen.
Faux News - December 29, 2011 | 6:06 pm · Link
Veritas: you were a boring douchebag during the Fucked Company blog of the late 90’s. I loved how Cheopys verbally stomped you in the ground every time your tired Troll ass showed up. Ten years later you still are a boring douchebag.
The Other Chuck - December 29, 2011 | 6:20 pm · Link
Cleek’s pie filter now pie-ifies blockquotes in replies. I’ve gone one further and hacked it to filter out the full text of such “rePies”. Still a little rough, but it cuts down the noise. This blog sure is obsessed with pie now.
@Faux News:
But it only works if you use the proper reply functionality, so next time you want to give the troll attention, could you use that button please?
Strandedvandal - December 29, 2011 | 6:24 pm · Link
@ Veritas, you know that whole “6 figures” thing doesn’t count the two to the right of the “.” ?
bemused - December 29, 2011 | 6:29 pm · Link
@Chyron HR:
“Wealth must be earned”, yet he’s still making “just under” 6 figures. Why hasn’t he managed to earn 6 or 7 figures yet?
Donald G - December 29, 2011 | 6:32 pm · Link
Part of me is looking forward to a reprise of Veritas’s Baghdad Bob-like performance of last November as wave after wave of Republican initiatives went down to electoral defeat.
I can see it now: “Democrats are immolating themselves rather than get crushed by the Romney Republican juggernaut. I guarantee you Obambi will have to sneak out of town like the whipped dog he is. VICTORY
”
And then he doubles down again and again as Obama ekes out a VICTORY of his own.
Good times. Lookin’ forward to it.
Samara Morgan - December 29, 2011 | 6:35 pm · Link
@Amir Khalid: i never said Mitt wont get the nom.
i have said, consistently and constantly, that it is mathematically impossible for Willard to beat Obama in the general, IFF minorities vote for Obama in 2008 percentages.
Changes in electoral demographics have created a political landscape where Mitt needs 65% of the white vote to beat Obama.
That is impossible, especially since some fraction of whites claim they will not vote for him ever, because of antimormon sentiment.
Samara Morgan - December 29, 2011 | 6:40 pm · Link
@Veritas: In the Ras poll, Obama leads Willard 46/40 among women. Since there are slightly more women than men in the voting population, how is it mathematically possible that Romney leads Obama 45/39?
could you explain that to me, please?
Mnemosyne - December 29, 2011 | 6:40 pm · Link
@Brachiator:
Except that the Supreme Court deliberately bypassed the Constitution, which spells out that the House of Representatives is supposed to vote on it if there’s a problem with the electoral college vote.
That’s what drove me the most nuts about that whole thing: the MSM was running around like “Oh noes what do we DO?!” when it’s the House of Representatives that decides if there’s a discrepancy. The fact that the Supreme Court stepped in and stopped the count doesn’t make their actions “constitutional.”
Palli - December 29, 2011 | 6:41 pm · Link
Though Veritas won’t understand about Ohio: Planes fall from the sky
Samara Morgan - December 29, 2011 | 6:45 pm · Link
@Amir Khalid: have you seen any GOP candidate with the ability to peel off black and brown voters from Obama?
i sure havent.
waratah - December 29, 2011 | 7:02 pm · Link
@Zifnab: Not sure which method but hijacked it is.
opie jeanne - December 29, 2011 | 7:09 pm · Link
@Samara Morgan: I have but I think they were anomalies, as I suspect any others to be.
They mostly belong to very conservative Christian Evangelical churches, two of them with black preachers at the helm. The one I know best lives in Virginia and her pastor believes all of those Urban Legend stories about Obama and passes them on to his congregation; she is the mother of a good friend who rolls her eyes when her mother starts up about it.
The last I heard, her mom was considering voting for Newt. I think she and some of the others have bought into David Barton’s “history” of the US, but I do not understand any black person living in Virginia voting for Newt. Can’t wrap my head around it.
Brachiator - December 29, 2011 | 7:14 pm · Link
@Mnemosyne:
Still got nothing to do with who won the popular vote. Not directly.
And yeah, it should have got thrown to the House. But it wasn’t. And yeah, here is where the popular matters in that the top candidates with the most popular votes would be considered by the House if no one had a majority of the electoral votes. But this is not precisely what happened in the presidential election, and this left some nasty wiggle room for the Court to jump in.
And again, the voters could have made a different decision the second time around if they strongly felt that Dubya was not legit. They didn’t.
This is not the first contested presidential election. Everyone who says that the election was stolen wins the argument. But it doesn’t change anything.
I suppose that the House could have asserted its authority. It didn’t.
You wanna impeach the Supremes? Put an asterisk by Dubya’s name in the record books?
Festivus is the time for the airing of grievances. But after a while, you just have to file this away and make sure that it does not happen again.
ETA: Heck, it’s more fun to talk movies. See anything this year that you liked?
opie jeanne - December 29, 2011 | 7:17 pm · Link
@Amir Khalid: That’s great.
I just looked at how Iowa’s caucuses work, 1,784 precincts in 99 counties/caucuses for a little over 3 million residents. I had forgotten how local the national politics can be.
amk - December 29, 2011 | 7:46 pm · Link
@Veritas:
That’s willard’s pathetic campaign in a nut-shell. It must really suck to be you, willard.
chopper - December 29, 2011 | 8:13 pm · Link
shut up guys, he makes ALMOST 6 FIGURES! he truly is our master.
Mike in NC - December 29, 2011 | 8:13 pm · Link
Just installed the pie filter. Bravo Zulu, Cleek! Frickin’ awesome little app.
magurakurin - December 29, 2011 | 8:36 pm · Link
@Veritas:
bwahahahahaha. What a fucking douche bag. You make less than 100 Grand and you are all about you best bud and 1% paisano the Mittster?
Hardy har har. You fucking loser shit face. To guys like Romney you’re the fucking help, jackass. You’re nothing but a boil on a gnats ass as far as he is concerned. A mark that has so little it isn’t even worth his time to con you. He just figures your stupid enough to part with your “nest egg” all on your own.
The stupid in you is strong, Master Luke.
bwahahahahaha.
Samara Morgan - December 29, 2011 | 8:38 pm · Link
@opie jeanne: outliers.
:)
they do not count, except in Rasmussen Statistics.
Obama more appealing to Latino Voters.
Samara Morgan - December 29, 2011 | 8:42 pm · Link
@Amir Khalid: Distributed Jesusland™
Samara Morgan - December 29, 2011 | 9:11 pm · Link
@opie jeanne: you can smooth outliers with nonparametrics…but i doubt Scott Rasmussen even knows what robust statistics means.
;)
opie jeanne - December 29, 2011 | 10:08 pm · Link
@Samara Morgan: Yeah, pretty much outliers, the people I mentioned.
I saw that poll in the LA Times and it reminded me of a visit to Olvera Street, before the 2007 primaries. All of the booths are owned by Hispanics, all of the restaurants and shops selling trinkets to the tourists, and I would guess that more than 90% of those Hispanics are of Mexican descent. Every booth, every restaurant, every shop had a sticker for either Hilary or Obama (more for Hilary, but that’s a rabbit hole I don’t want to go down right now). Not one had a sticker for any of the Republican candidates.
AxelFoley - December 29, 2011 | 11:37 pm · Link
@Veritas:
Why does this douchebag still post here?
RalfW - December 30, 2011 | 12:44 am · Link
@Emma: Veritas makes nearly six figures when you include the two digits after the decimal point.
xian - December 30, 2011 | 1:12 am · Link
@Veritas: Yes, you got us. We’re terrified of that briar patch.